"The problem isn't one of newspapers dying - it's one of too many local papers and no real national paper. The newspaper is doing just fine elsewhere in the world."
- Simon Bisson
A piece looking at storage virtualisation in the virtual data centre, and the role of iSCSI in supporting next generation storage networks.
- Simon Bisson
how do you know you dont? group d and the jackhole in front of you us reclined the whole time even when hes not in his seat and screen is 2" from face.
- adolfo foronda
Rob: there is no evidence that flying in back is safer than being in the front: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health... -- the one crash I saw which had survivors had most of the survivors around the wing (the plane went end over end, so those in the middle of the plane had best chance).
- Robert Scoble
crashing is the least of my concerns on a plane, legroom is priority - I love how the metal in the seat back pockets digs into my knees
- clarke thomas
Yeah, I made it to Virgin Gold on economy flights alone last year...
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
Does WHO need that many? Me? No. But they all probably work for different outlets. Each outlets needs to have a cameraperson there, right?
- Andru Edwards
Also think of it as commiditising the images - one camera, one source, one expensive picture!
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
If they actually were spread around and had different points of view it might make sense but my guess is that 5 or 10 total would guarantee complete coverage. Of course Nikon and Canon are happy
- Brian Sullivan
If copyright law wasn't so screwed up, then yes, it might make sense to have one or a few photographers, and then distribute their photos. But that would never work in our screwed up world...
- Josh Bancroft
Why? If you've ever seen the crying accordion player at FDR's funeral you would know why. Everyone was taking pics of the funeral, and one photog turned around to take this classic shot (which I think won several awards) http://www.mishalov.com/images...
- Andrew Leyden
and maybe some of them are simply doing it for their photoblog :)
- Midori
Not all photogs are created equal. not all are looking for the same shot. Some might be better at shooting one sport than another. I know I can shoot rowing better than I can shoot baseball.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: You mention rowing. Did you mean sculling? Have you done much shooting of kayaking?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'd shoot sweep rowing (one oar per athlete) differently from sculling (two oars per athlete). I haven't shot kayaking at all. but I'd probably be shooting sprint, not whitewater.
- Andrew Feinberg
If only we could have access to all of those pictures, and digitally combine them into a single explorable gigapixel image...
- Chris Hollander
i wonder if they realize that they could take a high quality video and capture like a trillion stills from it ;)
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
seriously ridiculous amount of photogs in attendance in the "corral"
- Susan Beebe
Probably not... but who decides who actually gets to shot that? Who are the best photographers, do they have a 'club'? If I'm not the best photographer, how am I ever gonna get the chance to try or indeed learn if I'm never accepted into the club. Not every lens is always aimed at the one thing. If we didn't have a variety of pictures then complaints would be raised about the lack of coverage. Or maybe the government could pick them. I'd take oversaturation to maintain freedom of the press than say... China
- Johnny Worthington
The better question is : Do we need THAT much RebelXT's lol ;)
- Martin Gommel
from feedalizr
Do we need THAT many newspapers? Do we need THAT many news websites? Do we need THAT many magazines? Do we need THAT many news TV stations? Why won't we all be hooked up to our big brother central news feed and live like drones????
- Amit Morson
If you were paid to go by FastCompany to cover the tech angle would you have gone and my other question (like colby) is do we need so many bloggers at each conference covering the same thing. 1. Its bad for your carbon footprint and 2. The noise is the same with a slight twist.
- sam sethi
For a great behind-the-scenes insight into the work of photographers at the Olympics I highly recommend this Newsweek blog, co-authored by their 3 photographers in Beijing: http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs....
- Ole Begemann
Sam: seriously? I am the one who makes the resource decisions for Fast Company TV and I could never justify taking so much time off to cover an event that so many others are covering. I try not to do that anymore even when the event is in my backyard, much less in China. No, we don't need so many bloggers covering the same thing at events. That's why I don't try to go to things anymore with lots of other bloggers.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: probably not. But one thing, we aren't using up lots of resources and we're not complaining that we're getting laid off from our jobs (hundreds of journalists in San Francisco area alone have lost their jobs recently thanks to the business model of newspapers changing radically). So, the comparison does not stand up.
- Robert Scoble
I blame copyright laws. They're all taking essentially the same photo, but IP laws prevent them from sharing it.
- Gabe
agreed, but I would argue the point about resources. Bloggers are extremely green. Also, how many blogger have this as their sole income or even as their only responsibilty in a business?
- Dave Ploch
Gabe: that's not true. The Associated Press exists for sharing photos and saving journalistic resources. My photo of John Edwards was given to the Associated Press and dozens of newspapers and TV stations used it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. Really - I don't understand the schadenfreude? It's actually starting to sound chippy. Andrew was actually spot on. Out of the thousands of photos taken, only a very few are actually goint to be sufficiently interesting to warrant sticking on the page. One of the things I miss about newspapers and like when I do still pick them up, is a great page composition with a fabulous photo.
- mattpovey
you're right. One guy with a flickr Account would have been enough.
- Bertrand Duperrin
I really don't see the semi-obsession with this. Who is supposed to now decide how many is enough? Who is supposed to tell us how we can make a living, or what is worth taking a picture of. I know I wouldn't;t be thrilled with only one or two photographers being allowed to shoot there. What is this supposed to be saying about us? That all around the world humans are interested int he performance of the most gifted athletes on earth? Why am I supposed to feel bad about that again?
- Soulhuntre
Similarly I don't "blame" IP laws - though obviously they are a factor here. But that's a good thing. It is a GOOD thing that humans are allowed to own what they produce... anything else is slavery. The right to decide what I produce, and who benefits from it, is to me a core human right. Besides, many of those photos will be resold time and again.
- Soulhuntre
I agree with Soulhuntre -- let the market decide. Those photog are there meeting someone's demand, right or wrong.
- Charles Barthold
from Alert Thingy
I think it would be easier if all these outlets just told common people , send us your pics, we'll pay if its used in our publication. However, I dont think the common man has faith with the MSM.. as MSM are perecived as crooks .. take the pic, pub it and dont let any1 know who sent it in.
- Peter Dawson
I guess that if you consider the number of events that will take place in that area, the number of competitors taking part in those events and the number of countries that might want photographs and the various styles of photography of those publications, then its not too surprising. I does raise a good question though why do we all feel the need to take so many photographs i just went walking in Wales and took shots of some hills that if i search on flickr i would find thousands of images shared under cc.
- david coxon
when you consider the size of the audience they are serving, it makes sense, doesn't it?
- xavier vespa
Is there a journalistic resource shortage that I was unaware of?
- stretta
from twhirl
Geez, lot of the same shot taken..Robert, how many of those photographers are freelance and how many are on someone's payroll?
- Scot Duke
Matthew: hundreds of journalists have gotten fired in the Bay Area alone because their business models are getting disrupted. I almost would cry, except here we see a huge amount of resources being spent, for what? Morton: exactly why the Associated Press exists! (to pool resources).
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about that, but they all must have stopped at the same place to buy cloth beforehand
- Brandon Howe
And if there was just one and they missed the money shot?
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
At least each camera looks to have a human behind it. A lot of times the photographers will setup several cameras and just have them all fire remotely. I've seen it for the world series and a few other major sporting events. Wish I could find a picture right now. Had to be at least 100k in photography equipment being fired by one small button in the picture. I also wonder how many of those guys were using wireless adapters now. Clogging up the birdsnest's tubes.
- Dean Clark
replace them all with a 4 Gigapixel camera then the camera man can sell higher and lower resolution images in an auction.
- James Robertson
I've always wondered about that - if they're all getting the exact same picture, how much is that picture really worth?
- Ciaoenrico
Operating assumptions: "My photos are better yours" "My photo-taking techniques are better than yours"
- Yung-Hui Lim
15,000 media folks attending DNC & RNC is another complete waste of resources
- Dave Martin
Is the AP an international organization?
- stretta
from twhirl
Have you noticed they're all wearing the Olympic-approved sponsor Kodak vest?
- stretta
from twhirl
Their business models are disrupted? Join the club. I used to make decent money selling recorded music.
- stretta
from twhirl
Seriously though, that not even one camera for each country there.204 countries, 67 cameras seems just fine. Almost tame.
- Erin @queenofspain
And I can't trust a pool for coverage I would use or do myself. That's why we're bloggers, right?
- Erin @queenofspain
Gymnastics seems like an ideal acid test for an expensive, fast hunk of glass. Fast-moving subject, indoors. Man, that'd be fun.
- stretta
from twhirl
Well, I can spot a few former colleagues from the days I covered the olympics as a sports photographer.
- Håkan Dahlström
Clearly it is a fine use of resources or it would not be economically feasible for it to happen. Why trust a pool photographer and non exclusivity of a great show jsut to save the minimal costs of having less photogs there? And yes, on the scale of the media coverage in question this cost is trivial.
- Soulhuntre
Good thought Soulhuntre. Economically feasible, certainly, but not necessarily as valuable as it could be... could several photogs combined could produce more value than the sum of them individually, such as a 3D rendering of a moment? (I just geeked out in my mouth a little.)
- Wade Dorrell
Your permalink for this story (the link on Friend Feed) is 404'ing for some reason, even though the story is clearly visible if you go directly to Scripting News.
- Ed Ryan
And as it's starting to get traffic guess what -- it's getting slow. :-(
- Dave Winer
I propose we cut identi.ca some slack. It just barely launched. my experince so far is positive. I assuem they'll lclea up the RSS issues.
- ron k jeffries
wow, identi.ca has "gone twitter" pretty damn fast - sloooooow.
- Dossy Shiobara
Not sure if it's an IE thing but can't open the email address confirmation URL. Yes, it was IE - ok in FF3
- Colin Walker
Wow. It's getting pounded now. I'm looking at the PHP source now.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Okay - I'm impressed, OpenID registration flow worked pretty smoothly. XMPP confirmation process worked.
- Dossy Shiobara
Interesting, free software is one thing and well and good, but who's paying for the infrastructure and the manpower to watch said infrastructure? Still, it's funny that the software is called laconica, I appreciate that. :)
- felix
Blah. "Open source" for a Twitter-like service doesn't mean squat unless there's a server-to-server protocol, like IRC, so one can start up their own server and participate in the "cloud" ... otherwise, you're just standing up lots of islands of attention. Who needs more of _that_? ugh.
- Dossy Shiobara
Interesting. The license is a version of the GPL that compels the release of modified source even if its just used to deliver a service.
- Erik S
@Dossy, there is a server-to-server protocol. The docs are sparse, but it's there.
- Dave Winer
Feels very familiar... with the slow page loading and everything! :)
- Yolanda
sbisson there (as everywhere!)... so now we'll see how it goes
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
Dave, I just posted a question (waiting for moderation) in the Control Yourself blog http://controlezvous.ca/?p=5 regarding the underlying architecture. I must admit, however, that their interoperability plans sound impressive.
- Ontario Emperor
Well, using HTTP POST and OAuth piggibacking doesn't seem like the optimal solution for the server-to-server substrate to me. Why are we constantly reinventing new protocols? We have XMPP with Pub/Sub extensions, we have JXTA...
- Vlado Handziski
one can run xmpp over jxta: eg http://collab.netbeans.org ... not sure if that codebase has surfaced or not but i demo'd it at j1 '06
- James Todd
I've seen this one before. Nice to actually see the source, although I can't track Newton2 any further. It'd be nice to see what else Newton2 has done. :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
looks like something out of Monty Python
- clarke thomas
Clarke: It is kinda Monty Python-ish isn't it? Strange feel... Tower with no trees or rocks around it.
- Mitchell Tsai
Ian: Cool! I'll have to go sometime...
- Mitchell Tsai
Its not really a castle though. Well in my opinion its not. I've been to a lot of castles and that didn't really compare to any of them!!! Not to badmouth it, it was very nice!
- Ian Rathbone
Mitchell its Bodiam castle. Any castle with a moat is full of win. I plan to have a moat around my next place.
- Toby Graham
Broadway Tower is a folly - it was built to look like a castle on the horizon for the stately home in the valley below. It's actually quite recent - late C17, early C18. I used to live near something similar in Bath.
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
I used to think that all mouses were created equal by and large, and then I started using this wireless Apple mouse that makes me realize how truly inferior every other mouse I've ever used is.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I really dislike the mighty mouse. I got a logitech wireless two button mouse with a scroll wheel and I'm much happier. My brain really wants the right click, left click functionality.
- Jason Toney
I recently bought Apple Wireless Keyboard, and instantly thrown away all the others. And it works well with PC, too. So, after your comment, the mouse is next on my list (untill I buy a mac).
- Mladen Srdić
from twhirl
Jason the Mighty Mouse does do right click. You just have to configure it that way in the settings panel. I use right click with this mouse all the time.
- Thomas Hawk
I use right click easily on this mouse. From Apple: "Mighty Mouse allows you to right click without a right button. Capacitive sensors under Mighty Mouse’s seamless top shell detect where your fingers are and predict your clicking intentions, so you don’t need two buttons — just two fingers. Click on the left side to use Mighty Mouse in its simplest, single-button form. Click on the...
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- Thomas Hawk
The best mouse I've ever used is a 5+ year old microsoft intellipoint trackball. I can't stand having to move some device all over my desk.
- Kevin Shea
I think this is the only Apple product that I don't like. Unergonomic, doesn't have the back/forward buttons for the browser. I use a 6 button Logitech mouse :)
- Andru Edwards
The Mighty Mouse is awesome. However, after the "nipple" gets un-fixably jammed with dust/dirt/fluff for the hundredth time and then simply stops working, you'll change your mind. I went through two before finally getting a Logitech VX Nano ( http://tinyurl.com/2zel3w ) for travel and a MX Revolution ( http://tinyurl.com/yrt5gk ) for the office. With SteerMouse ( http://tinyurl.com/jvh4a ) for the Mac performance is faultless.
- John Samuelson
Using now. I love my MM and wireless keyboard... until the batteries go
- Sally Church
I enjoy using this mouse - it's the best one I've ever used.
- Kevin Cearns
Nothing beats the Logitech Revolution mice for comfort and for usability.
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
@Simon, fully agree see my post above!! They are superb.
- John Samuelson
OK, you've convinced me to go out and buy a MM.
- Mike Doeff
Oooh, I need a revolution for the office. I have the VX Nano at home.
- Jason Toney
That little scroll ball... omg, I love it. I can't live without that thing when on a mac.
- Brandon
Am I the only person who hates the MM? I've had two and both = FAIL
- Mona Nomura
Brandon, that little scroll ball is amazing. I love how responsive it is and it goes both horizontal and vertical.
- Thomas Hawk
Mona, nope, I have two dead ones in my "stuff that broke" box. Well, actually one I dissected to try and fix it but it didn't make it through surgery.
- John Samuelson
I had a wired Mighty Mouse and I didn't like it. Now I actually use a Wacom tablet with my iMac. I like it much better than using any mouse.
- Cheryl Jones
@Thomas Hawk I hate using the scroll anyway. Actually, I hate mice! :) They are useful, but what I really want, is iris-detection based windows focus (mebbe while holding a key down => ctrl + look somewhere on the screen for focus)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
LOL @ dissecting!! I dissected my TV before and got in A LOT of trouble. But the little ball is the one thing that I always have problems with.. =(
- Mona Nomura
@Thomas Have you tried a Wacom Tablet?
- Andrew Smith
As much as I hate the MM I have to admit that it is a very strong piece of hardware. It had survived the several time I threw it on the floor when the damn non-existent-right-button fails.
- Paulo Nuin
I love the mighty mouse, except for the dirty nipple. It stopped working after kids eating chips on the computer. How do you clean the nipple?
- Tracy Ruggles
I got bad hand cramps after just a few minutes of using the MM. It made me realize how much I pick up the mouse while using it (which I hear is bad for you) but that habit made it even worse for me with the MM. Same problem affected me on the Logitech Revolution. That wheel on the thumb side never let me grab it firmly so cramps happened also. This led me to stop spending money experimenting with mice--a good thing probably.
- Gus Perez
But how do you clean one that doesn't scroll right any more??
- RevTim
from twhirl
I was about flutter my eyelids and shoot off a tweet about my Apple wirelss keyboard. Spectacular in every way possible..
- Kamath (नमः)
I like my wireless MM, particularly the sideways scrolling. I've become adept at the scrubbing action necessary to unclog it. For some reason, however, the right-mouse click seldom works for me.
- Kevin Johnson
from twhirl
I can't use the mm, gives me horrible cramps in my hands.
- Sam Levine
To clean the MM ball put the MM upside down over a slightly damp thin lintless cloth or towel on a table and move it around while pressing down lightly so that the ball moves around. The gunk eventually falls out. Works for me anyway.
- Fred Yankowski
Horrible, horrible miscegenation. Nasty flat profile that doesn't fit my hand the way even a $20 generic mouse does; slippery surface (hint: friction reduces effort); stupid easily-accidentally-triggered squeeze buttons; gratuitously nonstandard tilt action for clicking; nasty scrollball thing that's so small you can't even get a decent scroll distance with one finger movement. The worst mouse I've used in 20 years of computing; even the original clunky Mac mouse with the square button was better than this.
- Earle Martin
Can't actually say I've used the MM, but I've trailed lots of mice in stores. My favorite, strangely, is still the Microsoft Basic optical mouse. There are two key reasons for this: 1. It's light ... many of the fancier mice are just too heavy. 2. The scroll wheel middle click toughness to scroll resistance is balanced nicely ... many mice have a really loose scroll and a really tough middle click - I hate that because it induces cut-n-paste related RSI.
- Andrew Perry
Tim: I really think it depends on what data you are talking about too. I would have a different strategy for backing up pictures vs. documents vs. my quicken data.
- Justin Korn
@justinkorn: really? would you store them in a separate place, use different software? I am asking because I am trying to decide on a good backup routine (also in light of Mesh opening up). Anyone use their Gmail space to store stuff?
- Tim Hoeck
from NoiseRiver
Tim: I'm not saying I do it differently for the different mediums, I'm saying one medium might determine the other. Make sense? Currently, I back up everything to another server in my house and then to another HD in that server. It's not the best and I'm trying to change it. Probably going to look into a Drobo.
- Justin Korn
rsnapshot (open source command-line equivalent to TimeMachine but without the pretty GUI) to a RAID5 server.
- Dread Pirate PJ
from NoiseRiver
Klecu: When I'm able to download from and upload to "the cloud" as fast as I can transfer from my external hard drive, "the cloud" will become more appealing as a primary backup location.
- David Worrell
Tim: or if you're totally geeky, you can get your own Amazon S3 account and you pay less, about 5 cents less than JungleDisk charges you (that's how they make their money, those extra 5 cents in their fees compared to Amazon's.)
- Dread Pirate PJ
from NoiseRiver
add another vote for time machine to external fw800 drive plus mozy. Took several days for the initial backup to mozy and then it just works.
- Johnny Sewell
My dad and I swap 500gb external harddrives once a month. And I have all my pictures on my desktop, my file server and some on my laptop.
- Tom
Applications is there - but the App Store is currently unavailable. No word on when it'll be open, really. Friday morning at 8am, I'd assume.
- l0ckergn0me
I have probably hit Check for updates 100 times now:)
- Grant
I have just checked (In the UK) and it still says 7.6.2 is the current version
- Peter Cattell
Oh, It's only available for Macs at the moment
- Grant
Got it in Switzerland via Software Update. Installed, all fine, no apps yet. That "Look for iPhone and iPod touch Remotes?" setting is there too.
- John Samuelson
i have it via update but the actual page just went 7.7 temporarily before switching back
- MG Siegler
Don't check the site, check Software Update.
- Nick Humphries
Doesn't work for me on XP in Cali in software update or in iTunes
- Grant
awesome! i thought there was an article quoting 9am PST for the app store tomorrow... i'm having trouble finding it now though. anyone know what i'm talking about?
- Frankie Warren
The App Store is not yet available but iTunes 7.7 is (for Macs only)
- Grant
I got it through software update, no app store yet, no difference yet actually.
- Justin Luey
iTunes 7.7 on my mac here in Italy. No problems, no big news. App store is still to come.
- Kurai (ff)
from twhirl
why can't Apple ever release a simple small update to their software instead of forcing me to download a 61MB file? Its very tough on people living in low bandwidth countries.
- Rahul Das
got 7.7.0.43 for windows via website download. Check for software update via itunes wasn't working. No firmware update available for the phone though.
- Robert Seidman
Details on ReMix 08. I have no idea whether this would be worth going to, but it looks interesting, and it's interesting how MS are trying to change the perception of what they do away from boring, corporate stuff.
- Ian Betteridge
from Bookmarklet
Mix itself is excellent. So I suspect it will be pretty useful...
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
Has anyone else fallen completely out of touch with the people they graduated highschool with? 20+ years later I know almost nothing about any of the 100+ folks in my class...
I have gotten several postcards for my 20th high school anniversary this year, but I am not going. I honestly have no interest in seeing anyone who I went to high school with.
- Phil G
completely out of touch with all 43 of them -
- Noah Carter
I keep in touch with a grand total of 7 from me grade school.
- Prolific Programmer
For the most part, yes. But I have a little cadre of my close friends from high school that I keep up with on Facebook.
- Hutch Carpenter
Oh, and my graduating class was around 700 students.
- Phil G
I had a tight group of friends in high school. I can account for 1 IRL and a coupleon FB. Don't really talk to any of them anymore.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
i "graduated" in 2001 & dont talk to anyone i should've graduated with
- sam
from twhirl
I've been the one to e-mail out of the clear blue after 20 some-odd years,but that's about the extent of it. My classmates and I were always out of sync.
- Mark Forman
I have - but then I only really cared about 5 or so of them... and i am still int ouch with them all (except one who died) to varying degrees.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
My 20th is this year... No interest in going, but I do wish more of my classmates were on FB. A few are but their profiles are sparse. I'd like to know what they're up to and keep in touch, but I don't really need to hang out with everyone for a weekend at this point. I'll probably wish I'd gone when I hear who all was there, how much fun they had and all the rest of the gossip.
- Lisa L. Seifert
been 30 years for me, 10 years ago not in contact with any. Now friends with one because work in same industry with common interests and work with another.
- Nick Cowie
from twhirl
This is where Facebook comes in but even then most times you end up as just a trophy friend!
- Joe Dawson
My 20th was a couple years ago...I didn't go and I don't regret it.
- Chris Spencer
I have kept in touch on and off with a couple of HS buddies, but nothing regular. And I still remember my 10th high school reunion. The evening ranged from annoying to boring, except for one nicely memorable moment. The kindly woman who gave me a ride home (I was carless, staying for the weekend with my parents), said, "Adam, you're really cool. I wish I'd gotten to know you better in HS." But no, I'm not goin' to my 20th.
- Adam Lasnik
Same here, I left the island in 84 to go to university and have hardly been back since.
- Simon Bisson
highschool was not worth a fart. same with college. school is a bad idea to begin with. I wish I could say otherwise... but I guess that is why I am a Republican... I didn't learn shit there. had no friends... and I don't want my tax dollars going there
- Noah David Simon
"some are mathematicians, some are carpenters wives, though I know how it all got started, I don't know what they do with their lives"
- Iain Baker
It is very easy to skip these when the highlight of the evening is learning who is in AA and who has a parole officer. I attended 5 and 15. Probably will wait until 40 now.
- Russellreno
I work with my best friend from HS, other than that... Not too many other than occasional 'hey' from people who have tracked me down on Facebook. I mostly lost touch when I left my hometown area for fun and adventure.
- Vince DeGeorge
I finished 5 years ago, and haven't stayed in touch with anyone...
- Rich
I have one good friend I see and talk to, but only a few times a year. Another two I keep in touch with maybe once a year. And a couple more I sorta keep on via their net activities. Otherwise, it is through accidental contact and my sisters' that know anything about anyone else.
- Michael W. May
yes for the most part, but then some sort of bubble they all joined facebook for some reason. (I joined yrs ago, no idea why)
- clarke thomas
YEP... everybody went their separate ways... spooky disconnect *JOKE* I was home-schooled during HS only - and my family is all over the globe
- Susan Beebe
I know I have and I've only been out of high school for 3 years. People go their separate ways location wise and interest wise.
- Corvida
More than 17 years out. I have very little contact with or knowledge about my around 100 classmates; though last week the one I do have contact with asked me to be his best man.
- Michael C. Harris
I actually keep in touch with more people from elementary school than high school. Only 200 people in my HS class and I've only spoken to 2 of them in 30 years. Still keep in touch with two guys who were a year ahead of me, but we knew each other from the neighborhood before attending HS.
- Kevin Shannon
No, I've always been in touch wit two or three of them, and several of us started looking each other up around our 20th reunion. Next year is the 30th, and I'm thinking a lot of us will meet up to create experiences which will eventually shame our children.
- Chris Baskind
I haven't talked to or seen any of my high school classmates in years. I graduated in '85, and we haven't had a single reunion. My old high school was shut down as part of a desegretation plan, but it was re-opened about 10 years later. On top of that, I moved to Dallas a week after college graduation, and I go back home only to see my family.
- ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
I didn't enjoy high school 23 years ago and am completely out of touch. really wouldn't be interested in getting in touch with anyone except maybe 1 or 2.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Came across a couple via Facebook, but I do not keep up with anyone really. I didn't have much love for high school (other than meeting my wife) and it did not hurt me to never look back when I left for college.
- JA Castillo
So, it's honesty time. Who here actually doesn't leave the ME tab or the REPLIES tab or similarly self-centered functionality in social apps? Who only clicks on 'friends' or 'everyone' when it's a slow day or because it might be time to make the rounds?
Purpose: exploring the egotistical side of social tools, and naturally, talking about things people might not want to talk about in public because it makes you like an egomaniac. However, it might be not be that egomaniacal at all.
- Eric Rice
I only check those tabs occasionally to make sure I'm not ignoring anyone. I sparked off a pretty good convo once, all the big dawgs showed up...I missed the whole thing...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Jesus Christ do people really do that?
- Jim Stanger
Most of us don't get nearly as much action on our Replies and Me tags as you, Eric ;). My default is my Friends tab.
- Annie Boccio
As a note: I only follow 28 people (doing the opposite of Twitter) and it's not terribly overwhelming, so mechanically, I have no excuse for ignoring it. So there needs to be some chart or line graph of something to map exceptions, lol.
- Eric Rice
I monitor nothing but my Friends tab in Twhirl for both FriendFeed and Twitter
- Douglas E. Welch
from twhirl
friends tab all the way - I primary use FF to give some love to what my friends are posting - FF is a conduit between the people in my social network :)
- Steve Lawson
from twhirl
I default to Friends, don't check the Everyone tab too often (maybe once a day?) 'coz it's got a lot of other language stuff in it, and only a "search?q=Yuvi" when I'm in a time crunch
- Yuvi
How do you get utility out of FF and the like if you don't venture out? that said, it might be nice if FF could notify me if someone comments on something i've written, then i'd never need the ME tab.
- Christian Anderson
Friends tab all the way for me. Only click on "me" if I'm curious about any replies or need to find a comment I left.
- Craig Eddy
Hardly ever check everyone tab. It has to be a very boring day for me to do so.
- Nicholas Helke
i'm always on the friends tab. I already know what i'm posting so I don't need to look it over.
- Justin
According to firefox3, i come to the me tab (that's what I have bookmarked) and the discussion tab most often. I use the friend tab a lot though and use it more with the greasemonkey scripts I've installed. I really need to write that "how I use friendfeed" post.
- Jason Toney
Friends view only. I figure I pretty much know what I've been saying!
- Simon Bisson
OMG I only check Me then I'm back to page 11 and missed anything I started and wanted to make sure I didn't miss anyone. Always on Friends.
- Cyndy
oh, and much like twitter, I stay away from the everyone tab. Too much noise.
- Jason Toney
To help get the conversation back on track, who checks the ME or REPLIES tab? (This is to prevent the 3242934809 replies that say "I check the Friends tab"... Thanks, got that. :)
- Eric Rice
Christian: Brightkite did this with the amazing 'mentions' tab, one of those twitter-pro features. since @you @him @her is only visible to @you under replies, not @him or @her. Ok, that was too retarded to type, sayin. I get loads of utility out of FF, socially and as Feedburner 2.0 heh.
- Eric Rice
I only look at replies to see if I missed a reply (in twitter). here, I look at the me page once or twice a day similar to replies. Otherwise, I am parked on the friends page.
- Rob Diana
Okay, I do a search with q=Yuvi. That finds all references to my Likes/Comments, as well as other unseen posts where people had referred to my name. It's like a super Me tab.
- Yuvi
I only watch for replies from you, Rice :)
- John Swords
I am almost aways on the friends tab. If I wanted ego, I'd go to Twitter.
- AJ Kohn
I always stay on the friends page. I have no interest in what I've said. On Twitter I check replies if I have been away from the computer to see if I owe anyone a response.
- Adrienne Van Houten
I haven't read all the answers on this thread - I promise I will - and I'm sure that they're all thought provoking and what-not, but my knee jerk reaction is "I sure hope not." I've come to loathe the word in all it's meanings. And I used to use it *liberally* .... with all it's meanings. But it's too easy, especially for a black person, to get made the hypocrite. As with Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick who "buried the word last year", and then was found "playing the dozens" with it via text.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
i always keep my friend's tab open, i know what i posted and i'm in no danger of anyone replying to me here.
- Admiral Anika
I start on the friend's tab and then click through to most of my friend's individual feeds to make sure something interesting hasn't been crowded out.
- Kyle Hebert
I like to look at friends page for stuff that came in through other people (friend of friend, or just friend). When nothing much comes through I will look at the everyone page. When I feel inspired I will search for stuff that I find interesting and 'like' that and 'comment' on interesting things.
- Peter Stuifzand
I check the me tab when I've not been on the site in a while, just in case I've missed new comments on my posts or whatever the hell these things are called.
- EricaJoy
I go to friends - read the first page - go to me to see if any responses - then back to friends for a few pages - then check a few individual pages - then back to twitter.
- Lucretia Pruitt
I periodically check the Replies tabs to make sure I didn't miss part of a conversation.
- John Federico
friends or rooms, me tab maybe 3-4 times in all
- Ro (Lilyhill)
Barry, you posted to the wrong thread. Can you copy paste it below? Thanks!
- Eric Rice
BTW, in this instance 'me' on FF and 'replies' on twitter almost have the same functionality. It's the place where you see comments/conversation to or @ you. Much like the Flickr page for Recent Comments, etc. It seems like some folks are misunderstanding what the ME tab serves (in addition to, of courses, it's where your posts are (not applicable in twitter context).
- Eric Rice
Tabs? I use the rss feed for friends (with meself hidden) and only occasionally clear the me and me with discussion feeds. Every once in a while I'll hit the 'best of' buttons ...
- Ashton
I name mine after characters in Shakespeare's plays. And before anyone says this is pretentious, remember that Shakespeare wrote his plays to make a buck, and therefore wrote to an "everyman" audience.
- Melissa Woo
I think any one who has a theme is aweosme
- Stefan Hayden
that's a neat idea. so, melissa, who do you have? and also, what gets counted as electronics? Like, alarm clocks?
- edythe
I'll name anything that goes on our network.. Our TiVo is Snape, My Computer Albus, Our Network is Hogwarts, my work PC is Dobby.. ect.
- Stefan Hayden
I'm such a nerd, I named things after spaceships...Sulaco, Nostromo, Satellite of Love...okay, starships and spacestations. :)
- Shawna Benson
Totally the best way to keep track of a network of electronics. I name all the stuff in my company after species of bear (Bear Brook Design), and I use people in House Atreides in the Dune Chronicles for my personal stuff. Anything that allows an identifier gets a name: routers, computers, ipods, tivos.
- Mark Trapp
that type of nomenclature has always been my favorite; I prefer Greek gods or shakespeare characters
- RAPatton
All the machines in the test lab at soon to be former company are named for bugs: hornet, mantis, grasshopper, cricket, flea
- Andy Tinkham
Mine are named after Muppets :) My boyfriend names his after Celtic gods and goddesses.
- Melissa
For awhile I named after Kill Bill characters. Now it's Marvel Mystic Knights - Iron First, Luke Cage, Moon Knight and the like.
- Jason Toney
I name mine after volcanoes in Oregon and California.
- Jason Ellis
from twhirl
I use names from Postgate and Firmin's UK children's TV programmes. Currently I'm using a mix of names from Ivor the Engine and Noggin the Nog
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
i guess i would choose characters from "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman."
- edythe
edythe, these days I'm including things like the Treo, Chumby, and Kindle. When I was a sysadmin I named every one of my machines that weren't servers ("official" naming schemes for those). Most of mine come from The Tempest and Midsummer Night's Dream.
- Melissa Woo
mine are all with a chook theme - all in the same flavor as my nick, the wife's laptop is the "hen" the network is "free range" etc... just a bit of fun. My brothers stuff is names after Lord of the Rings.
- Dave Gray
mine all follow a nordic theme, thor odin, network is called valhalla... you get the picture
- Paul Rj Muller
just started Lush Life by Richard Price, author of Clockers
- Adam Cohen
from twhirl
"Why I am not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq.
- Ole Begemann
Kay Hooper's Chill of Fear & Janet Evanovich's Fearless Fourteen & re-reading Mary Doria Russell's The Sparrow
- Yolanda
_The Satanic Verses_ by Salman Rushdie and _Mother Night_ by Kurt Vonnegut
- Kirk Kittell
"Code Complete" by Steve McConnel. Me, geek? Noooo.
- Daniel Bruce
"World War Z" ...gotta prepare for the inevitable zombie invasion!
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I wanted to read World War Z but it didn't seem like it had a lot of zombie action in it... I don't think I like zombies enough to just read about the aftermath.
- Stefan Hayden
World War Z is a fictional "documentary" recounting the nearly 10-year war to overcome a worldwide zombie infestation that spread from southeast Asia, told from the viewpoints of different people around the world. Fascinating because it details how particular facets of society collapsed and others shined because of the conflict.
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
Salt (Mark Kurlansky). Re-reading How to be Good (Nick Hornby) and Still Life with Woodpecker (Tom Robbins).
- lisa-k
Here Be Dragons by Sharon Kay Penman, and The Lives of the Great Composers Harold C. Schonberg...yup, I am a total dork.
- Erin
Almost finished reading 'The Reason for God' by Tim Keller.
- Larry Huffman
from fftogo
Academ's Fury (Codex Alera, Book 2) by Jim Butcher (btw stefan - i loved the scar & all things china miéville)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Digital Outlook 2008 Report by Avenue A | Razorfish, (that and Alive by Piers Paul Read).
- Noah Carter
Hackers and Painters by Paul Graham and Nim Chimpsky by Elizabeth Hess
- Mary Anne Davis
Currently I'm reading the latest Peter Hamilton, The Dreaming Void.
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
"Restless" by William Boyd. Next up: "Fiskadoro" by Denis Johnson
- AJ Kohn
"The Mind Within the Net" by Manfred Spitzer
- J. McConnell
"Animal Behavior, 8th Ed.", by John Alcock. Next up: "Notes From a Small Island" by Bill Bryson; the reading queue is unmanageably long beyond that...
- grant fox
his displays at the Museum of Glass in Tacoma are also stunning & a must see if in the area!
- Nancy Babyak
from twhirl
these are really neat, thanks Chris for sharing!
- Susan Beebe
I live in Tacoma and can get over-exposed to Chihuly's work, since he is from my fair city. But this looks like a really interesting exhibit that goes well beyond the glass that he has displayed here on the Bridge of Glass, at the Tacoma Art Museum (http://www.tacomaartmuseum.org/) and in the Museum of Glass (http://museumofglass.org) in Tacoma.
- Rob McNair-Huff
I was just awestruck by how beautiful this was - best exhibit at the deyoung museum I have ever seen there - the lighting was just perfect, making it easy to shoot
- Chris Heuer
I love going into the lobby at the Bellagio for the Chihuly stuff there. I'm amazed every time I see it.
- Internet's Tad
I first came across Chihuly at the Milwaukee Art Museum. Chihuly inside a Calatrava masterpiece....a better combo possible? http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Gary
Wow I just put mine up to. ( http://is.gd/Dy0 ) I talked to a couple of the installers (for the Deyoung) and they told me that the Chihuly team came in with about 50 people--and they took care of lighting, handling, everything. All the de young folks did was make the walls white. The pieces were stored in cardboard boxes that filled two semis. When one piece broke, they pulled out another. I can't begin to imagine the man hours behind this exhibit!
- Daniel Morgan
That's really fantastic Chris. Hate to say that Belagio was the first time I had seen Chihuly
- Lee Odden
from twhirl
Except Windows has had its own Time Machine equivalent since Server 2003 in the shape of the perhaps not so nicely named Volume Shadow Services...
- Simon Bisson
i want to...but i like my silver one...via feedalizr
- steveo
Yes. After hanging on to my SK3 for far too long.. it's time.
- Phil G
If they put it on Verizon and had stereo bluetooth abilities? Yes. But as it stands, I'll stick with WinMobile and move to new hardware soon.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Oh yes. But only if I get the $199 deal even though I have an existing contract.
- Andrew
Definitely yes. Before I couldn't afford to break my contract w/ Verizon. Now they're making up the difference.
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
nope, don't want to sign a 2 yr contract with AT&T and waiting for Android
- Josiah Lau
from Alert Thingy
Not sure, depends on importability and second thought of gadget blogs. @Andrew They said that buying a new iPhone with an existing contract would be possible, several months ago already. So yes, I expect you can buy it. (If not, just buy and jailbreak it without the contract!)
- sebmos
if it wasn't solely AT&T, have had terrible service with them in the past
- BCK
nope, I am going to stick with my Blackberry, good enough for me!!
- Ralph Poole
from twhirl
You betcha. My wife will be getting a very nice 1G iPhone as a result, too! :-)
- David Sifry
from twhirl
no, I'll likely pick up an n95-3 to replace my n75 when I can pick up an unlocked model for less than $400. bluetooth dun is vital for me, my n800 and my eee pc.
- Sam Levine
I'm really tempted - most likely I will.
- Jason Ziglar
Been ready for a while. Service will likely double from my current T-mobile plan but it's worth every penny from what I've seen. GPS alone is gonna be great.
- Tsega Dinka
I'd like to, but at the moment I feel like holding off. Loading up 2.0 and playing with Mobile Me on my first gen iPhone will be fun enough.
- RyanEs
anyone knows if its bluetooth is able to send/receive files?
- faylwy
Probably not. There's nothing there that I won't get with a Blackberry Bold. The lack of haptics (and the lack of tethering) are deal breakers for me.
- Simon Bisson
no, but she's talented and beautiful :)
- Thomas Hawk
No...but's she far surpasses me in most other capacities; that's why I married her!
- JA Castillo
Not. Even. Close. While my wife is lovely and talented (and beguiling she says) she can't touch me on the tech-no-logy. She's all, "A blog? What's that?" and "Why would I want to use this 'friendfeed' thing?" and "Why can't I use Internet Explorer like I do at work?"
- ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
Its an interesting question. Is it essential?
- Roberto Bonini
No - she still insists on double-clicking on web links and has me charge her iPod but we balance each other well.
- Barry Graubart
from twhirl
when I find a significant other who can keep up with me, I'll let you know. ;-)
- Dawn M. Armfield
Not even close... but she is good at other things and brings a nice balance to our relationship.
- Brad
Yes. And possibly more so. In marrying, Rule Zero applies as much as in hiring!
- Simon Bisson
from Alert Thingy
I wish to be the next Tad Donaghe... In about 10 years time?
- Yuvi
We're both evenly matched. However, my husband pays attention to different areas of technology (graphics cards, gaming tech) and I pay attention to social media and ad technology. We both like watching G4 TV though.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Well, I don't have a significant other (in the usual sense of the phrase), but I can answer for my dad. He's pretty technical - he builds his own computers, etc. - but my mom can't figure out where the power switch is on her cell phone (true story; she knows now). So my dad and I are her tech support team. But what's really funny is the fact that my dad has been coming to me with his tech questions lately. :D
- Voyagerfan5761
I don't really think it's super important, but sometimes I wonder how married couples who have so little in common get along so well. I consider myself one of the luckiest men alive. :D Lindsay totally complements me as well - in addition to being at least as good a coder as I am, she's an awesome graphic designer and artist. Yeah - I married up. Hit the marriage jackpot, etc etc etc (let's see if she reads this...)
- Internet's Tad
Oh hell no! I was just showing my wife how to copy and paste. She is barley grasping that.
- Mike Fruchter
No way! My husband thinks I must be having an affair with one of my online geek friends! Funny!!!
- kbourke
Yes, he's ultra geeky! Network and Server brain-iac. He's got 20+ years in IT: CCNP, CCDP, CCNA and MCSE, MCSA, Degree in Elec. Engr'g...makes my 15+ years in IT: MCSE, MCSA look ity-bity. While he can do lots of amazing things in IT... I can drive Bus Dev and get him lot of new clients ... so I win! We both feel that it would be super hard to be married to a non-technical person, i.e. if you're technical. So we're both pretty happy!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
For all of you without the technically adept spouses, who wrote such nice things about them here, showing them this FriendFeed entry might just change their lives... or at least will make them feel good for the weekend.
- Melissa Chang
Yuvi, so are you saying Tad should watch his back in 10 years?
- Phil G
Depends on how you define technical, wink wink.
- Russellreno
My gf has a CS degree, but she pretends not to know things so that I can do for her. I have no such degree. My mom also has a masters in CIS and still pretends I know more. They think they are slick.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
nope, but my boys are getting pretty good
- RAPatton
@Melissa Chang: While she may not be as tech-savvy as me, she still wears the trousers around here - I made sure I ran my comment by her before I posted it! :-)
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
@Rahsheen - Computer-related degrees are no indicator of tech-savviness - your mother and partner may genuinely need help with some aspects of technology. For example, I failed my CS degree, but the guy next to me got a first, even though I had to remind him daily that turning off the monitor does not shut down the PC.
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
@J.Phile: No, NOT Even close ;) Someone my age will have to... ;)
- Yuvi
hopefully i will find a significant other...
- Pokai
It feels odd clicking "like" on this, because I don't like it, but that's the joy of language I guess. Hopefully Mozilla Weave will pick up the mantle for FF3, as I regularly use 4 different computers, and get annoyed with missing bookmarks etc.
- Mat
I actually print out FriendFeed pages. I'm the only one?
- l0ckergn0me
@Chris Pirillo I have someone read it to me every night.
- Steve Rubel
90% when at work or home, 70% when traveling
- Ontario Emperor
Holy Cow - I wish I could go mostly digital, but until I can buy digital books with the same DRM as meatspace books I'm sticking with dead trees. I should be able to resell, trade and borrow books. As for magazines, if Zinio would just add some more titles I could be 100% digital in that realm.
- Internet's Tad
The only non-digital media I consume now is non-technical books (still prefer reading good hardcover books and magazines (business week, HBR) when I fly.
- Deepak Singh
Deepak - BusinessWeek is available via Zinio - I subscribed a while back and I've been loving reading it on my computer.
- Internet's Tad
books are all that's left for me too. and i dont think they count for 5%. i read half a book or more daily (if you add up all webreading).
- Ruben Llibre
@Tad I like the Web version of Zinio.
- Steve Rubel
Don't know about a percentage, but the only non-electronic medium for me is books. Everything else is digital.
- Zio Bonino
better question might be how often do you consume non electronic media. I do that every day and would really miss the newspaper if I didn't have it at least once a week. I also like pottery and theater, two other media :) But 95% electronic is probably a low estimate.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I work completely online so I comsume most media electronically, but I spend an hour in the morning with the papers and at least two hours reading per day. Except during the NBA finals.
- Ralph Poole
from twhirl
I agree, I'd say at least 75% in my case, and most of my print media consumption is due to my work or a few pubs. that still don't have great online content yet.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I like my mp3's, but I love my vinyl. I like sitting in front of my laptop skimming various things from FF, but i love reading a great book at the end of the day.For me, it's not about percentages, it's about the differing emotional impact of the two sides of the equation.
- Iain Baker
Probably 90%, I read a bunch of magazines, and constantly have a pen and paper handy, but the amount of magazines I read is dwarfed by the amount of reading I do on the computer (~20gb of e-books, ~50gb of music, granted flac's take up much more space than mp3s); Side note, gotta agree with melmcbride (~10 above me) and say that the newspaper is short, uninformative, and worst of all, old news nowadays (At least in a magazine an article can be expanded on to complete the idea).
- Mike Seman
Still a lot of books and magazines but I'd say about 70%
- Andrew Smith
99% for me. Sunday paper is the last non-electronic media bit.
- Kevin C. Tofel
For me, 95% electronic. That would cover internet & computer, TV, radio, etc. The other 5% for me is books, newspapers, and a couple dead-tree magazines I still subscribe to.
- Paul Short
about 85% (15% 10min newspaper a day and one magazin left per month, sometimes books, but most of them audiobooks these days)
- Wolfgang Luenenbuerger
i'm at about 95 percent too but i'm not sure how proud i am of that fact.
- sean808080
from twhirl
Probably about 75% - still read a LOT of books in print (tho' have a kindle) and newspapers & tons of print magazines. Increasingly digital on the magazines since some are just starting to offer them. But books to me will be both digital, but always room for a real in print physical version. I love them. I'd rather fall asleep with a book than a kindle or mp3 player on my lap!
- Paul Greenberg
85 percent. I skim the real WSJ and KC star daily, but for anything I truly commit to reading, is through my reader. I do, however, get a chunk of NPR in during the morning commute.
- Jarrod Morgenstern
I don't think there's anything to be ashamed about reading some stuff in print. For some material, print can't be beat.
- J. McConnell
I'd put it at 85-90%, given the amount of books and mags I try to consume. Curious how the digital breaks down for the 95%ers: TV v Computer v Mobile.
- Stephen Winkler
I'd say 75%. But that's because I can't give up the books!
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
I'm 80% digital: 65 computer, 10 radio, 10 books, 5 Blackberry/txt, 5 TV, 5 newspaper/magazine. (I'm counting satellite radio as digital.) TV, newspapers and magazines are time-killers, though - not must-do's.
- Sarah Morgan
Online: World News: 90%. Local News, 5%, Industry News, 85%. Sitting down with a book or magazine feels like a holiday. Comprehension and absorption are higher with print, however.
- Dana Lookadoo
95% Only dead tree stuff is books and the occasional magazine that isn't otherwise online.
- Jim Graham
I don't think that I could ever give up print media entirely, unless that is eventually made mandatory by the death of print media itself (knock on wood), so I still consume a vast variety of books, newspapers, and magazines on a daily basis in addition to my consumption of electronic media. I'd say my percentage is around 65%.
- Atherton Bartelby
60% - i started to read more dead tree stuff again lately.
- Ralph
Gee, friendfeed commenters are more digital than traditional... Chalk me up as not surprised. To contribute to the noise, 95% internet media: free weekly newspapers are way more valuable for most local events than online media.
- Bjorn Stromberg
I avoid paper like the plague, but I do read the occasional recommended book.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
98% or more, including technical books, technical papers, popular fiction, magazine and newspaper articles, etc. I used to be drowning in paper documents -- now my space is nearly paper free, and I love it. I currently have a few hundred ebooks stored on my Samsung Blackjack, including weighty tomes on linguistics and suspense novels.
- Sean McBride
Still read print newspapers and weeklies, paperbacks for the commute, and dusty old books in the smoking room. But I have enough feeds to make that teetering pile small and have to go with 90% ...
- Ashton
I too read books on my commute so maybe 20% books, 80% electronic. I very rarely read print magazines or newspapers anymore. I live in Google Reader.
- Wm Morris
I still read books... but I think I would read them faster if they were an etext
- Noah David Simon
About 50%. I will love holding broadsheets like the IHT, Financial Times, Guardian, Weekly Telegraph. Long form copy doesn't lend well on the Web - when I want short and sweet, I go online; otherwise, I read papers and pubs.
- Darcy
Embarrassingly, for a long time I thought they were saying 'Honest Lucille' - as in Lucille Ball.
- AJ Kohn
@AJ: I kept hearing "How does it feel"...
- Trent Olson
I prefer the Fun Boy Three version, but then I always liked Terry Hall's solo work
- Simon Bisson
@Trent: ahh, good I wasn't the only one who bungled the lyrics!
- AJ Kohn
I didn't care for the Fun Boy Three version, which seemed lacking in energy. When they sang "Doesn't matter anyway," you knew they meant it.
- Ontario Emperor