Nope. Constant weeding keeps the IM garden under control - Stephen Pierzchala
Maybe we need new social software to fix this problem. We could call it FriendWeed. - Richard Eriksson
A few of them, but not the majority - Corvida via twhirl
I don't really use IM anymore unless its at work and yes, there are people at work that IM me and I don't know who they are. - Andrea Baker
I asked the question because I never remove people from my IM list... so over the years I have accumulated people I don't talk to at all anymore, though I know who they are, and there are also people on there who are... well, people I don't remember at all. Though maybe if I chatted with them I'd remember. I find this phenomenon interesting, in a "drag your social history with you" kind of way. - Stephanie Booth
pretty impressive, I can't relate to those numbers; i have 49 on Friendfeed and 175 on Twitter - Lou Paglia
in any case thanks for following me! directeur on Twitter I follow 8439 people and about 500 on Friendfeed I think. Friendfeed shows you a lot of content from people you don't follow (if they comment or friends of people you follow) so it's not the same on FF. You can read lots of people you do not have to follow on FF which I like, some people find it's noise. - Loic Le Meur
Loic, I actually share your opinion on the subject :) I was just (how do we say "taquiner" in english btw?) :) - directeur via NoiseRiver
1880 follow me on twitter and so far 362 on Friendfeed, (but I've only just started really using it properly). Because of this, they are quite different experiences for me at the moment. I'm really liking that you can see different types of content in ff, and that you can see all the comments of a conversation together. I do wish there were more women commenting though, as I mentioned in a Share yesterday. - jjprojects
For me, 1,128 on twitter and 121 on friendfeed - Christian Burns
Having a lot of followers here quickly might have something to do with the fact that followers can quite easily be moved over from twitter to here, do you think? I've found that. Twhirl is another incentive to use ff as well as twitter, Loic :) - jjprojects
I think the real question is whether we are creating an echo chamber. I think not. I find this all very meaningful. - Kris Kelley
2,629 follow here, and 1,288 on Twitter. I don't think Loic follows me on either. :-) - Louis Gray
No offense, but isn't all this numbers-posting stuff (that seems to be the latest A-lister trend) kinda B.S.? How much do you actually read? How much do you contribute? And more importantly, how much is it changing your life for the better? How much are you changing others' lives? Otherwise, heck, it's Friendster all over again. "I have 50 friends!" "Well, I have 500!!!" :P - Adam Lasnik
Adam: you can click over to the right to see how many people and conversations I interact with. This is a LOT different than Friendster. - Robert Scoble
good point Adam, it is not how many that matters, it is who follows you. In this case I was just trying to check the proportions. - Loic Le Meur
Loic: who follows you really doesn't matter. Who YOU follow defines you. Inputs vs. outputs. If you just care who is consuming your outputs you'll soon be a pretty shallow fellow. Me? I want to follow smart people and have conversations with them. Better inputs makes me smarter. - Robert Scoble
except robert thinks anyone not voting for obama isn't smart. - Wolfsbayne
Loic, yep, now I see you were focusing on the ratio. Sorry for being a bit over-snarky perhaps; I've just seen so many threads lately on "Look how many followers I have on [x] service!" And Robert, I see your point, but -- as I've challenged you in the past -- I still haven't been convinced of the "worth" issue. You are splendiforously active online. You follow a zillion people. Zillions follow you. Has it made lives appreciably better, or is it just so much gee whiz, look at the latest? - Adam Lasnik
Adam: does reading the New York Times or watching CNN made lives appreciably better? How could I even try to make such an audacious claim? That said, this morning I had breakfast with a bunch of Twitterers/FriendFeeders and we had a great time. That made MY life better. - Robert Scoble
Personally, I think watching CNN makes folks' lives worse, and I'm less and less keen on the NYT, so not sure those are great examples :P. But yeah, I think pretty much every action one undertakes should make lives better. Simple things: flossing teeth. Reading Digg for hours on end? Probably not so much. Subjective? Absolutely. But speaking as someone who has wasted (yes, wasted) way too much time online at times, I am happy to (somewhat hypocritically) call others out on what I perceive as... - Adam Lasnik
a strongly overinflated sense of the importance of online activity. With that said, using online interactions to make one's real life richer... that's something I agree is awesome :). - Adam Lasnik
Adam: on my best of days yes, I try to make your lives better through my media. But only history can judge whether I actually rose to that level. - Robert Scoble
Fair enough, Robert. And while I fundamentally disagree with a lot of your philosophies and often don't share your (sincere) excitement for many online things, I do think your heart's in the right place :) - Adam Lasnik
I'm not sure if I absolutely understand the direct FF:Twitter correlation. For discussion, tweets are fleeting, FF is permanent. - David Adewumi
My Twitter is more quantative,FriendFeed more qualitative:) - Igor Poltavskiy
David: everything on the Internet is permanent thanks to Google. I get what you are trying to say, though. I call this the "half life of a conversation." On Twitter it's a few minutes. On FriendFeed? More than an hour. - Robert Scoble
imho, tweets about # of followers is major turn-off. i can't count that high. not in English. Not in French ;-) - Andy Sternberg
I wonder what the guys@twitter got to say about all this 'end of twitter' talk going on out there.....anything i missin here ? - Jassim
Sincere question: Howdo followers create value for you (from $ to brand, etc.)? Any "before" and "after" analysis? It is great for us all to be talking a lot - I am just starting to pull back and see what the real value is and would love your thoughts! - Tony via twhirl
one thing to consider when comparing FF and Twitter follower numbers is that you don't have to follow someone to see their stuff in FF. For example, I see this thread not because I follow Loic, but I follow Louis Gray and he follows Loic. Unlike Twitter, this makes it much easier for new comers to be part of the conversation in FF. - berkay
@RobertScoble Twitter's traffic more FriendFeed's one though - Igor Poltavskiy
Robert, I know you want to follow tons of people, I followed your advise on Twitter following 8500 people and to be honest that turned my feed in something unreadable, but I agree on the concept. I would like to listen to all of the people who follow me, but not always. Stephanie, absolutely right. - Loic Le Meur
Her thoughts on "contact scalability" are very interesting. I don't think we can really conceive how this will change for the "next generation". I think we can pretty much forget about Dunbar's principle. These kids will grow up with a completely different way of managing people and information that will never conform to what we're used to now. - Heidi Hansen
you should probably make that point on the original post... - Andy Piper
Well then, I probably will, this was just easier :p - Heidi Hansen
I'm reading this on feedly and all the comments from Friendfeed are coming collated on the post, just great! About what Leisa wrote: fascinating. This is something I've been thinking about a lot too, even though I don't have kids (yet). - Stephanie Booth
Stephanie, I noticed that about Feedly too, I thought it was a great feature! - Heidi Hansen
Might be but with various friends using various tools it's very handy to have friendfeed pull it all together for me. - Gerard van Schip
I think FriendFeed aggregates nibs of interesting points of conversation and along with some rather dynamic threads inside FriendFeed rooms, it works nicely for me. - Bernie Goldbach
yeah -- the issue here is all these people saying FriendFeed is replacing Twitter. I don't see that. Yes, FriendFeed is maybe playing some part that we used Twitter for earlier on. Just like Twitter is replacing some of what we used blogging or IRC for. But I wouldn't say Twitter is "taking over" or "replacing" blogging or IRC. It's a new tool in the ecosystem, and so everything is moving around a bit. I don't think anything is being killed. - Stephanie Booth
Sad that we're commenting here instead of on Twitter. Sad for Twitter, not for Friendfeed of course. :-) - Dave Delaney
Yep, I like Twitter, but I have to admit that I kinda like FriendFeed. Even if Twitter used to work better, conversations are not it's strength, and I find FriendFeed really more efficient in that regard. - fbrunel
I joined FF because of this article, but it's difficult to convince more friends to move over to friendfeed when I've already got them on Pownce and Twitter. - Michael Narciso via twhirl
I love the photo on that post. Suddenly the 405 doesn't seem so bad. - Mark Krynsky
interesting... I haven't particularly noticed that. Maybe I'm not swimming deep enough in "conversation" - Stephanie Booth via twhirl
oh, and I'm commenting here because this is where I happened to see the post go by ;-) - Stephanie Booth via twhirl
Were there ever really conversations on twitter? I thought it was more of a noisy room where people shouted at each other in hopes of being heard. - Andrew Garrett
I'm still trying to figure out how you converse in a crowded and noisy bus. Once I know that, I'll have well-honed twitter skills, for sure. - Bernie Goldbach
Well, I just got the Friend Feed version of the Fail Whale, so be careful what you wish for. - Shemp DeYoung
I get the feeling that we are reaching a tipping point for Twitter - Jamie
My first day really trying to ignore twitter. FriendFeed just doesn't feel the same but if it enables 2 way communication i'm in - Steve Allen
i still like Twitter. but while i wait for it to get its act together, i'm cheating on it right now by using FriendFeed. call it an open relationship with no strings attached. heh. - Christine Lu
But the fact is, we've already done so much on Twitter, and leaving it would be throwing all of it away and any hopes of it making a comeback. But what I see here is still a Twitter message which proves that most of our elders on FriendFeed are still using it. I'd like to see any of you cease to use it anymore, and maybe it will have a greater affect on others to do the same. - Josh Jenkins
I just have a lot more followers on Twitter :) I don't think everyone is ready to switch to FriendFeed just yet. FriendFeed doesn't have a lot of features like SMS, and it really doesn't cater that well to regular messages - Chacha via twhirl
I prefer reading things on friendfeed but I still tend to only post to twitter. Strange isn't it? - Jason Mitchell via Alert Thingy
I don't think that FriendFeed has that great of a Messaging System. Just really a Sharing System - Chacha via twhirl
Going along with that comment, I can't really find another service besides Twitter that updates as frequently on FriendFeed - Chacha via twhirl
That's just damn fine writing. You had me at "frail architecture." [Also, if Twitter was mentioned on The Daily Show, then it has finally jumped the snark.] - Donna Mugavero
I've taken the week off from Twitter.... the commenting system on FF is amazing. Twitter needs to step it up. - Jason Calacanis
I have to agree with @chacha102, I don't think everyone is ready to fully switch FriendFeed - Justin Yost
Twitter folks have gotta be shitting bricks right now - Jarin Udom
I think twitter will end up being a place for status updates as it was initially intended. - Tsega D
Quick Unsolicited PR/Customer Service Tip - When there are signs of a mass migration away from your service, it's probably not a good time to schedule a mid-day three hour maintenance window. Just grin and bear it until the next after hours scheduled maintenance period. - Ken Sheppardson
Sprague, scroll back a few more pages. It's rearing its ugly head again. - Cyndy
Would I be so bold as to suggest that conversations YOU are involved in are moving to FF. This is not one social network. There are thousands upon thousands of cliques within the network that are quite happy with twitter being a slow sometimes unreliable SMS/IM replacement as there are active communities on Pownce, Jaiku and Jiwai.de. - Dedric
Suw builds upon my post about promoting Going Solo and comes up with some really great points about social software adoption in the enterprise. - Stephanie Booth
A must-read. Trying to be 'viral' is behind us. Instead, understand how things grow naturally, provide water and fertiliser, and watch things happen. - Stephanie Booth
Michel m'ôte les mots de la bouche. Je n'ai pas vu l'émission télé, mais je me faisais déjà la même réflexion en regardant les gros titres dans les gratuits par ici: "Il avait annoncé la tuerie sur internet!" - Stephanie Booth
Michel m'ôte les mots de la bouche. Je n'ai pas vu l'émission télé, mais je me faisais déjà la même réflexion en regardant les gros titres dans les gratuits par ici: "Il avait annoncé la tuerie sur internet!" - Stephanie Booth
Michel m'ôte les mots de la bouche. Je n'ai pas vu l'émission télé, mais je me faisais déjà la même réflexion en regardant les gros titres dans les gratuits par ici: 'Il avait annoncé la tuerie sur internet!' - Stephanie Booth
I can't say I'm extatic about the "guest blogger" trend, which in my opinion turns personal blogs into more impersonal "media outlets". But let's see -- I'm willing to be proven wrong. - Stephanie Booth
Stephanie you have a good point here - I personally look at the posts by Darren on ProBlogger or Brain on Copyblogger. The other posts on these blogs are less favorite for me with some exception to the rule. - Erno Hannink
I guess I think there is something fundementally different between "author-blogs" (blogs centred around a person) and "theme blogs" (blogs centred around something that isn't the author). I personally much prefer the latter, because I usually read a blog for the person writing it. (I'm not a "good" blog reader, though). - Stephanie Booth
Not extatic about the 'guest bloggers' trend, which tends to turn personal blogs into impersonal media outlets. But let's see where this goes. - Stephanie Booth
I think a lot of the likes on FriendFeed are made without reading the content and just because they agree with or favor the title. - Scott Cropper
Some use "like" differently. I think some people with large follow lists mark potentially interesting stuff with likes so that they can find them later and explore more in depth if time allows. And everybody skims articles (hopefully they have done at least that before commenting). Some are more efficient at understanding the article by skimming than others. - Brian Sullivan
I've been using my likes in various ways as I continue to use Friendfeed. I've been recently using them to trigger it the content discovery mechanism for my subscribers, as something that I'd like to see more people comment on and interpret so I don't have to (man, I swear that's not as lazy and self-centered in my head as it reads). I guess it's like the Friendfeed equivalent of my ears perking up. - Mark Trapp
I read it in French and English and commented, you are right on in your observations. - Karen Swim via Alert Thingy
If you read >5000 articles a day, you might get trained to have an opinion after reading 5 sentences. If not, you're doomed:) - Ryo
It would be nice to have more options similar to like such as star/flag or bookmark and maybe a thumbs up/thumbs down instead of just like. - Scott Cropper
Oh, and after reading the article now, I wish I could find it, but someone on Friendfeed had said you know you're doing something right when your commenters aren't just commenting on what you wrote, but are commenting on what each other are writing. That is, you're inciting a discussion rather than the controlled ask for feedback method. There's a camp that just wants people to talk about what they're talking about, and a whole other camp who builds on that the original point was and takes it elsewhere. - Mark Trapp
What's old is new again -- thread drift is a common situation in NNTP discussions. There are those adamantly insist the drift must be controlled and those that like to float with the current and I am guessing the same split will become evident in discussion on FF soon enough. - Brian Sullivan
Yeah, it would be nice to have FF do an excerpt ( optionaly hidden of course) - Roberto Bonini
Too much information out there to seriously read all of it; this is part of the reason Mythologiques ended up in this situation.... how could it be any better today with tens of thousands of pages more content? Oh, and this is why marketdroids think titles are so important - Michael J Cohen via Alert Thingy
Michael: the issue here is more that people comment upon Mythologiques and talk about its importance... but don't read it. - Stephanie Booth
Is this not generally true of all philosophers, though? People invoke the names of Nietzsche, Sartre, Freud every day; not that many have trudged through "The Transcendence of the Ego," "Nausea," or "Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious." Wikipedia says Sartre has been called "the most written about 20th Century author," which is not to say the most widely-read :-) Everyone has heard of "the theory of relativity;" 'relatively' few people have read any of Einstein's books. - Karim
well, I have opinions about Robert Scoble but I don't read him regularly either. - Bernie Goldbach
Very interesting - makes one wonder if philosophers are generally capable of writing accessible books... Kant famously described "Critique of Pure Reason" as "dry, obscure, contrary to all ordinary ideas, and on top of that, prolix." He sent a manuscript to a good friend and fellow scholar who returned it unfinished, adding "if I go on to the end, I am afraid I shall go mad." - Karim
I clearly think philosophers are not the best writers around. Kant, clearly, is a good example of this. (I studied philosophy at uni ;-)) -- In their defence, philosophy is not necessarily easy to write about clearly. - Stephanie Booth
So there is a certain body of work recognized as "genius" which almost no one reads, or reads completely, or understands completely. People talk about "deconstructing" this or that all that time, but rarely read Derrida. Yes it is an interesting phenomenon... in the end I think people just oversimplify, they set a high-pass filter, lop off the peaks of the signal they can comprehend and call the rest noise. Unfortunately a lot of signal can get lost that way, including the "real" content of the message :) - Karim
Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. It can manifest itself as resentment, stubbornness, procrastination, sullenness, or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is, often explicitly, responsible. It is a defense mechanism and more often than not only partly conscious. For example, people who are passive-aggressive might take so long to get ready for a party they do not wish to attend that the party is nearly over by the time they arrive. - net via Alert Thingy
actually it's a personality disorder, generally appears when stepping into adolescence. a kinda way to resist doing things and showing expected behavior due to not believing their alleged positive outcomes... As an entrepreneur of web 2.0 age, P-A can be a positive asset somehow. that could mean you deny to act traditional but don't disclose your denial loudly and instead silently go with your way. that was a "bright side" p.o.v :) - Berk D. Demir
My quick & dirty version: a overly, polite waiter that adds extra ingredients to your food because the customer was over-demanding. The waiter never stops being too polite in the dining room but goes creepily, ballistic behind closed doors. Look at the movie "Office Space" for examples:) - Roney Smith
wow what great comments, it is a terrible trait in my experience normally attributed to low self esteem cowards who can't deal with issues directly and enjoy the sport of thinking they're putting something over on their victims - mike "glemak" dunn
some say fear & envy contributes to passive aggressive behavior -- passion patience & persistence cannot replace accountability (or wisdom or maturity) - Scott Moskowitz
I've noticed BigCo workers tend to be more passive aggressive too. Larger work environments encourage people to bite their tongue, but then those people tend to let it out in other ways. In a startup you simply cannot tolerate passive agressive behaviour. Ifyou have a problem you need to be up front and honest about it. I've seen it tear working relationships apart. You have to be up front :) - David Petar Novakovic via twhirl
it's like the lady in the super market that says 'excuuuuse me' - but really means 'get out of my way'......a very nice way of being not so nice...i think it's cultural, in the us people are sometimes polite even if they dont want to be...:) - yat
david: like your comment/take startups vs bigco right on, neither can afford but tends to be more prevalent in bigco & disastrous in startup... - mike "glemak" dunn
basic terms: you're usually quiet (passive) but can be aggressive when you want something or something doesn't go your way. The mid point is usually considered assertive which is where you want to be. (there's personality traits as well, but it was years ago I did the course) - Duncan Riley
I wonder if Gandhi was passive aggressive? I have a friend who is aggressive passive. He gets violently angry about stuff he doesn't really care about. Not kidding. - anna
it's the opposite of how I am at work ;) - Mike Taylor
Well, say you wanted a soda. An agressive person would say, "Go get me a soda." A passive-agressive person would say "I wish I had a soda. If only someone would get me one." - Alex P. via twhirl
it's definitely better than being straight-out aggressive - Wil via MojiPage Bot
People who are passive-aggressive might take so long to get ready for a party they do not wish to attend that the party is nearly over by the time they arrive. - Jake Fudge via twhirl
kiss my ass Loic. prove your not passive-aggressive. then get down and eat my cornhole. you know? like you licked @QueenOfSpain - Noah David Simon
short explanation: tendancy towards not acting, not being outwardly aggressive, but in fact being aggressive in subtle, often socially acceptable ways. If you still read books: "comment gérer les personnalités difficiles", by Lelord and André. Fascinating and life-changing read. (But you have to read it yourself.) - Stephanie Booth
how about... just googling it yourself? - Jeremy Toeman
Nice passive-aggressive response, Jeremy. Heh. - J. Phil
*technically* it wasn't p-a, but i thought it still... worked. ;) - Jeremy Toeman
Loic's question is p-a per se -- a proactive person would have googled it on the spot. - Rubin
you've never struck me as a passive aggressive person! you're pretty direct. - Veronica
I will re ask your question with passive aggresion, "Can you at some point if you can find the time define what passive aggresive means? I mean it dosen't have to be right now, but I really need to know for a post, and I just hope I can get an answer right away if not sooner..but no rush!" - Mike Lewis
amazing - I have the same problem! ANd they just keep scrinking too! Is this some American conspiracy against European entrepreneurs? - net via twhirl
if someone tells you that you are "passive-aggressive" they just don´t have the guts to tell you that you seem aggressive to them - Dieter Schwarz
Telling someone they're p-a is a p-a way of letting them know you don't like them. - Rubin
ok - that´s straight to the point! you win! *gg* - Dieter Schwarz
I can't believe the number of comments here! Net, thanks for using Twhirl! - Loic Le Meur via twhirl
rubin made me laugh, perfect understanding - gregory lent
Passive-aggressive people (often Enneagram 9) get "angry", but might not know exactly why they are angry for hours-days-weeks, so the "anger" often leaks out in other ways. Some people can be passive-aggressive on purpose, but many simply don't know YET why they are angry. This term greatly confused me until I had both a girlfriend and a boss who were passive-aggressive. In my family, we just got "angry" - plain & simple. - Mitchell Tsai
Gerard: problem with Flickr is they get drowned in the rest of my photos -- this is for the "hey look at this now" photo that I'll occasionally send directly from my mobile. - Stephanie Booth
