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Chris Brogan shared an item on Google Reader

Can they answer this question?

August 20 at 8:26 pm - Link

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Chris Brogan shared an item on Google Reader

Is Writing Great Content Enough to Build a Successful Blog?

August 21 at 3:51 pm - Link

Stephanie Booth, Kevin Micalizzi, John Duff, Larry Kless and 11 other people liked this

Sometimes that isn't enough. - Bill Sodeman

The "luck" aspect mentioned is true. But as Thomas Jefferson said "I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Hutch Carpenter

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Amen, Hutch! - Bill Sodeman

depends a lot on what you mean by "successful" - mathew ingram

no... you need t be linked to by others - Prolific Programmer

Luck and the blessing from others plays way more than just content. - Bryce Moore via twhirl

No. But I'd put content high up on the list. And ... though many may not with to hear it, SEO comes second IMO. Then luck for sure. Though #1 and #2 are hard work. The old adage of luck is where preparation meets opportunity. - AJ Kohn

Alas, no. Wish it was. Luck and connections- like much of life. - Abby Martin

No...you have to write content consistently and often over time to be successful. You can be the greatest writer in the world, but you won't get noticed blogging once in a blue moon. - AlexScoble(Robert'sBro)

Luck is a huge aspect of linking and blogging. - Kyle Lacy

No. You have to present a human story - Francine Hardaway

Great content is only one part of the equation, there are all the other moving parts, writing relevant content, marketing your blog, sustaining your audience's interest. - Karen Swim via Alert Thingy

Chris Brogan shared an item on Google Reader

Using email as OpenID

August 23 at 8:54 am - Link

Neill Adamson, Haris bin Ali, Thomas Knoll, Stephanie Booth and 3 other people liked this

It's an interesting point. That would give people dual-use out of the ID. Missing something? - Chris Brogan

anything to get rid of OpenID.. - Kyle Lacy

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Wait, I thought everyone loved OpenID. No? - Chris Brogan

I'm not a huge fan of OpenID - Kyle Lacy

This is like when I was talking about Greenpeace and my wife said "fuckin' Greenpeace." She's from Newfoundland. - Chris Brogan

http://brad.livejournal.com/23... - Jay Cuthrell

Well that's interesting, Jay. Pretty neat. - Chris Brogan

I must be weird, because I happen to really like OpenID. (From a user point of view, that is.) - Stephanie Booth

Maryam Scoble posted a message on Twitter

“@scobleizer all I have to do to get you to shut up is to hold a new shiny object in front of you :)”

August 23 at 11:07 am - Link

Thomas Knoll, Stephanie Booth, Roberto Bonini, Andrea Contino and 2 other people liked this

Ouch, the truth hurts! :-) - Robert Scoble

I don't think it applies only to you, Robert. - Roberto Bonini

Louis Gray had a new status message on Gmail/Google Talk

“Today should be fun. My wife's at a symposium until 4, so it's just me and the twins. Disaster sure to ensue. If you don't hear from me for a three hour stretch, send help.”

August 23 at 8:49 am - Link

Stephanie Booth, Kyle Lacy, .LAGizmoto, BeeLing and 2 other people liked this

Good luck! You'll do fine. You're a man - you can handle two little babies. :) Just wait till they're 3! Mwuhahahahahahahahahahahaha! - Tad - just Tad

hmmm, I think the "fun" times will begin when they start to crawl. - BeeLing

Good Luck Louis. - Kyle Lacy

Louis Gray had a new status message on Gmail/Google Talk

“I'm trying to convince myself that having a sling around my shoulder and carrying Matthew around the house so my hands are free is "manly". It's not working.”

August 22 at 8:22 pm - Link

Mrsth, Stephanie Booth, Franklin Pettit, April Buchheit and 18 other people liked this

men like to be efficient. not wasting valuable hand/arm space = efficient. simple! - Michael J Cohen

it is manly - RAPatton

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To compensate, carry him around by cradling his head in your left hand, with his body lying on your arm, and gently pull him into your side to keep him stable. You know, like a football. - Denton Gentry

@Denton, I do that often, with either one. But my wife got a sling big enough to fit me this evening and it's not that bad. Lets me use the laptop as well. :-) - Louis Gray

Being a dad is the most man you can be. - AJ Kohn

You have produced offspring... you no longer have to worry about being manly - you are the very definition of it by that act. - Tad - just Tad

It's only when you start breast feeding that you have to worry. - Rod Bauer via twhirl

Up next, mini-van! :-) - JT Perry via twhirl

I second AJ. It's manly. As your wife. - Chris Baskind

manly to women yes. to other men... not so much - Jason Kaneshiro

Baby Bjorns are heavenly - maybe I've just become numb to the manly part - Jesse Stay

I used a Baby Bjorn often. It was a much easier way to carry the munchkin. - Denton Gentry

Our Baby Bjorn is good, but Matthew is less fussy in the sling, so far. - Louis Gray

The sling has always felt weird for me (like I'm crushing the kid, when I know I'm not)... and the regular carriers, well, the kid was always sticking out in front of me too far, keeping me from reaching things (or typing). Laid kid out on a blanket between me and the keyboard many nights, tho, and got a lot work done. He slept right through it. Doesn't work for long, tho, as they get too big too quickly... - abacab

As long as it's not a pretty, sparkly, flowery, pink sling, I think you're okay. - Lisa L. Seifert

Lisa, it is a dark brown. My wife's looking out for me. - Louis Gray

It shows you are very manly as you are so secure in your masculinity you're doing something that is traditionally thought of as the woman's role. You're good! - Abby Martin

Phew. That was a close one. You know brown and pink are the trendy thing right now. Is it reversible? ;-) - Lisa L. Seifert

Hey, guys can wear pink - what are you saying? ;-) - Jesse Stay via twhirl

<rant>you could always put some really big sub woofers in your car and get a loud Harley and some tattoos and go to the shooting range</rant> Seriously, manly? I don't let *anyone* define that for me. - AJ Kohn

you're being a father. very manly. - Brian Norwood via fftogo

Those slings kick @ss - so much better than a Baby Bjorn. For one thing you don't take near as many crotch shots with a sling. For another you can look down and go "oooooooh, a baby!" whereas w/ The Baby Bjorn all you get is baby skull all up in your grill. Not that that's not cute, but the little Geddes-esque pea in a pod visual has to be immensely satisfying. - J-P Voillequé

Its only manly if you are fighting off lions and tigers while carrying the baby. Its a man rule! ;) - Earl E Morningwood

Turn in your man card. :p Just kidding ofcourse. Enjoy your kidlets as much as you can while they're that little. I miss it. - Mattb4rd

having one of each gender, you are free to be beyond gender - Gregory Lent

All depends on how you wear the sling. Baby in front = woman. Baby in back = man. Any other position results in confusion between baby and purse ;-) - Slippy Lane

it's totally manly! Fatherhood brother! - Thomas Hawk

Come on, everyone loves seeing guys carrying kids around! It's very manly. - Evangeline

It's more mommy porn. Best you keep it coming. - Mrsth

...you're a daddy now...it's good. - JA Castillo

Internet-generation has learned the ways of one-handed surfing so that they can... er.. take care of babies with the free hand ;) - Joni Moilanen

"...Matthew is less fussy..." Now there's something that doesn't seem so manly. Does it really matter, though? Seriously, active fatherhood is a manly thing. - MiniMage via NoiseRiver

Louis Gray posted a message on Twitter

“I like Obama and will vote for him, but I'm not a huge fan of the site being for contributions first and information second. I'm not an ATM.”

August 23 at 9:41 am - Link

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I agree. But it works. So there ;) - ~C4Chaos

It's a pretty understandable setup. I agree that his information outflows could be better (do I really need more PR? Does it help anyone?) but it shouldn't surprise anyone that he is covering every inch of his site with "GIMME MONEY!" buttons. - Andrew Burd

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The issue today anyway is that barackobama.com redirects to https://donate.barackobama.com... - Louis Gray

granted his current trail, you _are_ an ATM... - silpol

I think the site is fine. - Eric Florenzano

Maybe that's a sign of things to come...Take money first (By Taxing us) and then everything else second. - Jonathan (Vacation Boy)

Seriously, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just very concerned about the tax issues. - Jonathan (Vacation Boy)

Charlene Li posted a message on Twitter

“just realized that gnomesex doesn't start for a while so will hang out and write - what a luxury”

August 23 at 7:51 am - Link

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Gnomesex! That sounds fun! :-) - Stephanie Booth

my eyes!!!!! :) - ~C4Chaos

What WoW server is that on?! haha, nice typo. - tagami

"gnomesex" is the default for iPhone when you type in "gnomedex" - oops... ;) - Jesse Stay

Best Typo Ever! @Jesse, are you serious? That's hilarious. I just tried it, and that's not the case for the 1st Gen :( - Mona N.

Charlene Li posted an entry on Groundswell

Why I'm leaving Forrester

July 2 at 11:25 am - Link

tariqkrim, Rebecca Pruzan, Susan Beebe, Charlie Anzman and 39 other people liked this

Best of luck Charlene - David Churbuck via Alert Thingy

Good luck on your future and your book is outstanding. - Jon Erickson

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I seriously hope you'll continue to be 'visible with your occasional thoughts' in other ways. Best of luck! - Charlie Anzman

I hope you maintain a blog about your thoughts. Good luck. - Hutch Carpenter

Best of luck to you in your new adventure! So excited for you. - steve - Steve Rubel

Congrats Charlene! You've been a great inspiration for women in tech - Kathy Johnson

I'm sure whatever you do will be most importantly good for you and your family! Good luck. - Jim Kukral

Good luck. Your book has been a big help. - Charles Barthold via Alert Thingy

best wishes for you, your book is great - you'll have a blast spending morte time with your kids - Maggie Longshore via twhirl

Congratulations on your decision and best of luck. Enjoy your improved work/life balance! - Adam Sherk

Good luck in your career! You were very informative at the Web 2.0 Expo SF 2008. I enjoyed your presentation at the Social Media Strategy workshop - Glenn Batuyong via twhirl

Best of luck! I liked that post about reinventing your job every 18 months. - Jeff Woelker

Thanks everyone for all of the good wishes. I'll be blogging again soon and will let everyone know when and where I re-surface. - Charlene Li

Charlene, best of luck to you and your family. We will all miss your insights and analyses. - warren sukernek via twhirl

Good luck, and thanks for being so public about wanting to strike a balance between work & family. Working parents of both genders will be cheering you on! - Dylan Tweney

Best of luck, Charlene. You're leaving big shoes to fill. I look forward to reading you again soon. - Christian Anderson

Congratulations on your decision, and best of luck! - Steve Bauer

good luck with your future endeavors! looking forward to more of your social technologies insights online. - ~C4Chaos

good luck!! - Jeremy Toeman

Wish you the best Charlene, I've always found your research, ideas and energy inspiring :) - Brooklyn Art Project

Congratulations on your graduation and best of luck in this next big thing!! Cheers - Mark Kingdon

Best of luck Charlene! - Mitchell Tsai

Best of luck Charlene! - Marc Dahan

Charlene, sounds like an enlightened and well considered choice. Congrats. Let us know if we can do anything to support your next-next steps. Be Great. Cheers! silva - mark silva

good luck Charlene! - Kingsley Joseph

I completely understand your move - being a career mom carries strong feelings of regret and dissonance, which you always need to solve. Thats a tiring process...Enjoy your time of resonance. - TrendsSpotting

Best of Luck Charlene... I think this is a great decision, obviously, one that came after much thought. Finding Balance is sooo key to happiness and productivity at work and home! Good Luck! Keep us posted on how you make out on this change! - Susan Beebe

Good luck with everything - your research on social media has helped me tremendously! We'll miss you in "the scene". Cheers - Lorna - Lorna Li

Andrew Hyde posted a message on Twitter

“just realized twitter feels like the old twitter, with replies and an active community. no failwhale. keep it up folks.”

July 9 at 10:32 pm - Link

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Marshall Kirkpatrick posted a message on Twitter

“woo hoo! Yahoo! opens its index and search engines to any 3rd party developer http://is.gd/PO7 hot shit, I say!”

July 9 at 9:09 pm - Link

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Go Jerry! No matter what the greedy, small minded try and take away from you - you have yet again proved that you are the BOSS!!! - Adam Lindemann via FriendFeed MT Plugin

and did yahoo's stock price soar as a result of this announcement? or even budge? news that suggests increased profitability often nudges trading prices higher. that could bug some people regarding yahoo - Gregory Lent via FriendFeed MT Plugin

i keep saying yahoo is going to be fine, a lean mean innovation machine, you watch, kara swisher, tc, et al are high school punks - Gregory Lent

Stowe Boyd posted an entry on /Message

Twitter Spam: What Can We Do?

July 9 at 3:08 pm - Link

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friendfeed, I love you, but please hire a designer </snark>

July 8 at 9:43 pm - Link

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Jeremiah Owyang posted a message

“Despite all the hubbub about Blogs 'killing' mainstream media in 2005-2006, most of today's top blogs resemble mainstream media or star columnists. I say that little has changed. Agree or Disagree?”

July 8 at 9:31 pm - Link

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I agree...the more we change the more we stay the same. I just think some bloggers are good at not having a political or money agenda which can taint the "realness" of the content. I like how Perez Hilton doesn't hold his tongue at all. - streetforce1

I would agree that some of the same problems exist in top blogs and top newspapers, there is a check and balance in blogging that works quicker than the newspaper system, but in general, you are spot on. - Andrew Hyde

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Agree ... it takes a little more than a couple years to build the empires that have already been build ... probably isn't even possible - Nick O'Neill

Didn't it turn out to be Craigslist that has really hurt mainstream media? At least the newspapers. Also Google's growing dominance in advertising. It's not the journalism that's the issue, it's the revenue. - Todd McKinney

Jeremiah, you're ignoring the fact that many MSM outlets now embrace blogging as well. No one would argue that the two have merged at the top, but it wasn't all in one direction. - Duncan Riley

Thanks Jeremiah, I've been biting my tongue on this for a week or so now (i'm in the old trad media) now it seems like new media is the trad media which is being pushed aside by the new new media. - Jon Dillon

Agree. It seems even The Long Tail is losing some of its punch - http://valleywag.com/5020400/h... - Justin Gibbs

Agree. Just like TV killed cinema and radio, video/DVD killed TV, music downloads killed the music industry, and the internet changes everything. Each of these provides multiple different functions and experiences to different people in a variety of moods, roles and situations. The various markets will all settle to a new, if more transient, level. There will also be a home for pro versus amateur, more generalised versus niche versions. - Ronna Porter

Jeremiah, it's true that top blogs become media properties (albeit very niche ones), while (as Duncan said) MSM has been adopting blogs and other social media tools. So there's been movement both ways. I for one never brought into the 'blogs will kill MSM' hype, that's just nonsense. As everything, media has evolved very quickly with the Internet. So I disagree with you a bit there, because *a lot* has changed. - Richard

It's like how Dave Winer said there's no such thing as a pro-blogger. As far as I can tell the only difference between journalists and bloggers is that journalists are supposed to stick to a code of conduct. - Stuart Maxwell

They do resemble, but that does mean that are alike. For a start, "commenting" has transformed media into a two way conversation. Whereas "new media" vetures like businessspectator.com.au are like the mainstream media (a comment is treated like a letter to the editor, with my comments moderated because I disagreed with arguments) are a joke, other "new media" like Techcrunch and RWW are a whole new ball game with Seesmic and Friend Feed integration alltogether in addition to open commenting. I think blogs biggest impact is on the profession - the speed of blogs is killing the print news industry. If there is any confusion of being alike, it's only because blogs are changing he industry dynamics. - Elias Bizannes

I've said for the past year that it's becoming hard to differentiate "blogs" from other forms of online publishing. We're in big need of a vocabulary overhaul.FWIW, commenting in MSM is rarely two-way communication. It's a way for readers to vent and interact with each other, but MSM publishers and editors rarely get dirt under their fingernails. - Chris Baskind

Totally agree when you look at blogs like Mashable and TC - sometimes it is hard to sort the advertising from the posts. No offense guys - I know you have to make money - but there are more and more "sponsored posts" and "thanks to this weeks sponsors" etc.... - Dave Gray

a few things. first, sample error. mainstream media has maybe tens of thousands of writers creating columns for newspapers, magazines, journals, etc. the blogosphere has tens of millions. the degree of variation within the blogosphere is enormous. have you seen the recipe bloggers? mommy bloggers? and the children of the blog form, the facebooks and myspaces and tumblrs, are further diversifying the very nature of sharing, presented in reverse chronoligical order. now the blogs you may consider popular overall may have elements familiar from msm. but don't let that confuse you. it would be incorrect to consider the .0000001% of the "top blogs" as marking a trend in the blogosphere. you'd no more jump to that conclusion than saying that we can all run/swim/row at olympic speeds or move like jackie chan. - Phil Wolff via Alert Thingy

disagree, my buying practices have definitely changed, I was a two newspaper in the morning and one in the evening guy, I really can't remember the last time I purchased one, I think mainstream media is here to stay but newspapers are definitely on the way out - Patphelan

If what you're saying is true, then does that mean the Long Tail of blogging isn't very fat? That the Short Snout still reigns? You might be right, but I'd like to know how things look like all along the curve, not just a few crowding the small head. Any numbers? - phil baumann

next, blogging is a conversational medium. some journalists get that, some don't, and many msm organizations never will. Reading other blogs, linking to them, listening to comments, leaving comments elsewhere, responding to your commenters: these are signs of 'getting it'. to the extent that you see content that looks like a blog post but lacks any connection to the conversation is a sign of damage. - Phil Wolff via Alert Thingy

agree - sam sethi

Last, I'd like to challenge you to put something that you care about but that's off topic in your blog. a poem that touched you. your cat. an opinion about something outside your stated beat. blogging should be about the blogger, otherwise it is reporting in blogging clothes. blogging is a personal and interpersonal medium, so your blog should have a bit of you within it. it's not just writing in the first person, it's shortening the distance between your heart, your thoughts and the submit button. blog on, Jeremiah. - Phil Wolff via Alert Thingy

It is difficult to move to new modes of discourse. Making them technically feasible doesn't mean they will evolve. It's not just that blogs have replicated msm modes and mannerisms, but those that do not do so - the ones that offer some dislocation, some sense of estrangement, before yielding something special - get less visible as mirroring levels discursive difference. - tom matrullo

Blogs have given the sources a way to communicate directly without going through the media. There are far more sources of news now than there were ten years ago. "Killing" is almost always the wrong metaphor for competition, But our reliance on MSM today is much less than it was in the past. I don't see the "top blogs" as being blogs at all, they are MSM outlets that use the same CMS software as blogs do. That isn't saying much about them, imho.BTW Phil is right too. :-) - Dave Winer

media "killing" media rarely happens. We still have movies (some shot digitally), radio (sometimes streamed), television (sometimes on iPhone) , books (sometimes on Kindle). The universe gets more intricate with old and new media supporting, promoting, commenting, and competing. Movies became fodder for Lux Radio Theatre (which is currently still available by podcast). Ad budgets shift. Revenue streams divert. Physical formats become obsolete, but not the content, the audience or the conversation. - Michael Markman

I think the question misses the point. You're probably right that the "top blogs", whatever they are, resemble mainstream media, but _my_ top blogs give me much more what _I_ want to read than the mainstream media. - Michael C. Harris

They're not blogs anymore ... I counsel a lot of agencies and I'm telling many of them to view the big boys and girls as MS OnlineMedia: http://www.eyeballeconomy.com/... - David Weiner

Been some press lately about newspapers declining readership and predictions of the death of broadcast television. Let's look at some statistics, but IIRC the trend is DOWN. And where are people spending the time they save? blogs and youtube. You do the math. - Steve Follmer via twhirl

Um. did the hubbub of blogs killing media end in 2006? As far as I can tell, blogs have never stopped proclaiming the death of traditional media by bloggers. They love to say that all the way up until some paper or magazine buys them. - felix

Is this not just mainstream media switching mediums. What is more interesting is the fringe stuff that would never have been published before. I think that a lot of people are now reading a bit wider range of content. Mainstream media always goes with the lowest common denominator to get maximum audience. - John Cooper

Mainstream media killed by blogs? No. Mainstream media fundamentally changed by blogs? Absolutely. *Every* major media outlet has a significant online presence featuring a large chunk of their content. Nearly all of them have integrated commenting/discussion, and many of them now have "Digg this"/"Share on Facebook"/etc. While it's not entirely a 2-way street w/outlets like CNN or the NYT, they are clearly being dragged toward interacting with their users, rather than simply broadcasting. - Pete Brown

Mainstream is intensifying -- cutting newsroom staff, consolidating newspaper chains, etc. -- in the scramble to keep profit margins up as mass media falls into a gazillion pieces. They are not making enough in the online world to keep the mainstream machinery running, and haven't really figured out the formula for online, social media yet. Blogs are one of the many economic challenges they face, as more and more people defect from mass media, and head for the edge, where we are doing it for ourselves. - Stowe Boyd

Thank you all, I have now collected my thoughts (much based on your comments here) and written this post and pointed back here http://www.web-strategist.com/... - Jeremiah Owyang

if you take the top bloggers/sites, and divide (actual) readership by staff count, it's pretty different from a newspaper... - Bill Seitz

Agree. - Robert Scoble

Agree - Francine Hardaway

Agreed and its entirely changing the business model for news outlets - Robert

Agree - Brian Sullivan

Don't underestimate the effects of regression. Over time, the MSM will exert their advantages and become more dominant in the new medium (e.g., 5 of the top 20 Techmeme Leaderboard places are held by MSM entities), and the few independent voices with broad authority will evolve to be more like the MSM (e.g., TechCrunch adapting to the Washington Post). - Sprague D

I'm not quite sure if I agree or not, but I know I wouldn't really care if mainstream media died out or not. Also, there will always be some type of media that has more viewers/listeners/etc than the others, and thats the one we'll call mainstream. - The Kid

Edwin Khodabakchian posted an entry on Edwin Khodabakchian

feedly+tumblr integration

July 7 at 11:49 pm - Link

Phil (scribkin), Matt Balara, Richard, Joe Fernandez and 9 other people liked this

Excellent! I love this. Thank you. - Santosh via twhirl

Cool, thanks! I'm probably going to complain about certain implementation details, but I'm very happy to see this happen! - Stephanie Booth

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Stephanie complains all the time anyway ;) - Loic Le Meur

Loic: she is going both product management and testing for us. There is not much more we can ask for! :-) - Edwin Khodabakchian

Thanks Edwin! - Geoff K

Thanks Edwin and Stephanie. A beautiful integration :) Works totally fine with me! http://bit.ly/feedly_tumblr - Kenichi Matsumoto

Double credit to steph: +1 for the initial idea and +1 for the suggestion on how to simplify the first iteration. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Oh Edwin, you are drawing me back in... - Phil (scribkin)

Phil: that would be a pretty good milestone for the team! :-) - Edwin Khodabakchian

Dave Winer posted a link

Global Neighbourhoods: About Loren Feldman & Michael Arrington

June 25 at 5:00 pm - via Reshare - Link

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It's good to get Shel's perspective on this whole thing. - Thomas Hawk

I wrote my thoughts on the most recent shel israel video here: http://www.1938media.com/shel-... I was attacked by all the trolls on Loren's site. I think more people need to voice their feelings to Loren's sponsors, eg Zong, Cnet, etc. If all Loren's key partners get a lot of complaints, Loren may rethink his strategy - Adrian Bye

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CNET is a sponsor? This is crazy. These people have lost their minds. Dan Farber used to be a mensch. You must be mistaken. - Dave Winer

Dan Farber is the one who HIRED Loren. He also did a puppet interview. here's a link to the "news": http://mashable.com/2008/06/06... - Robert Seidman

CNET is trying to get all edgy. Fail. - Cyndy

I was wondering why Dan and CNet thought this a good fit, but hey that's their call. - Mark Forman

Well, I just put a link to Shel's article on Scripting News. I don't normally ask people to link to things but this is one of those times -- link to Shel's article let's make sure that all of TechCrunch's sponsors find out what's going on. I've had enough of this. I can't believe all the people that are dirty here, and I don't understand what for. If there were some embezzlement or fraud it might make sense. But to destroy one harmless person? This is ridiculous. What the fuck is TechCrunch's CEO doing? - Dave Winer

I'm not sure about edgy, but like it's new parent CBS, scrambling to attract "younger viewer demographics" - Robert Seidman

I can't imagine CBS wants a scandal. - Dave Winer

Dave, the PTC is trying to knock "Swingtown" off the air, Loren would be small potatoes relatively speaking. - Robert Seidman

I just sent an email to Dan Farber. I've known him for 25 years. He's always been a good guy. - Dave Winer

what Dan Farber's email ? I would like to tell him that I dont support Loren's pranks no more. It was fun while it lasted. - Peter Dawson

I got an email through to David Marcus, the CEO of Zong. Zong is the sponsor of the "shel israel puppet" show. His blog is here: http://www.davidmarcus.net/ - Adrian Bye

wow, this is really starting to heat up. - Thomas Hawk

I just had a long phone talk with Mike Arrington about this and other topics. I'm not going to post any more on this until I've had a chance to think a bit about it. - Dave Winer

Well, let us know your thoughts. - Andru Edwards

When the dude said he did not like it, that's when it stopped being funny. Which was a long time ago. There's really not that much to think about beyond that. Stop. No. I don't like it. Pretty hard to misinterpret. - IRWebReport.com

I understand the notion of feeling attacked, but all industries deserved to be skewered. In fact it's a duty I think. Puppets are a great platform for this, and Loren is essentially satirizing an industry that, while it produces amazing things, can take itself too seriously. I think he is welcome until he's unwelcome. Such is life. - Seamus Condron

I think Loren is doing a major public service with his puppets. They are funny and poke fun in great ways. But if a guy is losing key parts of his business, then its a different story. That is hurting him and his family. Dave, I really look forward to hearing your thoughts. Perhaps there's an inside story we are not aware of. - Adrian Bye

lawl - mike scared dave - Mark Lepzig

looking forward to hearing your thoughts after your conversation with Mike Dave. If it changes your thinking on this I'd be seriously interested in why. Obviously something Mike said had an impact on how you feel about this now or you wouldn't be taking the time away to think about it. I hope you can share what he said to you with the rest of us. - Thomas Hawk

No he didn't scare me. Geez. And my sympathy for Shel will not change either. I encouraged Mike to help him. Obviously that's his decision. - Dave Winer

Dave, you seemed to be escalating this campaign to go after Loren's advertisers/sponsors. I'm not saying that is the right or wrong thing to do, I'm just curious what Mike said and how it may have changed how you think about the situation. - Thomas Hawk

Quit clogging up my FriendFeed whining about Arrington! Where is the remove friend button. - Granteezy

Just a note: I don't know how this translates in English, but french people say: "Le linge sale se lave en famille". - directeur

Welcome to the interwebs-where "dead horses" are resurrected only to be kicked again. - Mark Forman

Just used the FriendFeed block command for the first time. It's every bit as good as Twitter's. "Nick" need not worry about his FF getting clogged with whining. :-) - Dave Winer

My French is horrible directeur, but I think the loose translation would be "Don't air your dirty laundry in public" - Robert Seidman

Robert: Yes, that sounds the same :) - directeur

Just wanted to say by that, that involving the crowd we are in such things just give them more importance (than they deserve?) and maybe can harm too. IMO it's always wiser to filter, jauge and ponder things calmely first. The web is such a mess... take something, push it through an amplifier and the result will be bigger than the original - directeur

Directeur-And you don't think many of the people involved in this discussion are aware of that and doing it for that reason? - Mark Forman

Mark, heh :) - directeur

Touche! is la francais,non? - Mark Forman

Oui touché! :) (though I'm not french neither) :) - directeur

Farber is on the case ... - Jay Tannenbaum

Directeur-franc-fooled :D - Mark Forman

I am not a fan of Loren's but I believe he is doing a performance more then a personal attack - both of their attention meters have gone up as a result, which is Lorens real goal/purpose (for himself obviously). I disagree with a lot of what has been said but have not wanted to bring more attention to the whole situation so have remained quiet, hoping Loren would grow tired and this would end sooner. If there are real damages here, they wont be resolved in the court of public opinion... - Chris Heuer

With all due respect Chris, passing judgment is easy when you are not caught at the receiving end. Lets see what will happen when you are at the receiving end of something similar and scares away your sponsors. I think public opinion counts here. - Vic Podcaster

In cases of bullying, the best remedy is one that comes from peers. People in the crowd observing have to step forward and say it is not right. Just reciting from the manuals on schoolyard bullying, which is ironic given the ages of those involved. - IRWebReport.com via twhirl

I've met Loren several times and he's a very personable guy. I had an exchange of emails with Shel three years ago that were extremely ugly. When Loren made the first puppet video I don't think he had any idea it would take off as it did. After working in PR for so many years Shel should have know better then to write that blog post. Shel needs to contact Loren and ask to be interviewed by his namesake puppet so he can laugh at himself and we can see that he isn't such a bad guy after all. - paul mooney

As an interesting side-note, before the puppet I had no idea who Shel was. Since then I've added his RSS feed. I'm having trouble that believing this publicity has been bad for his site's pageviews. - Andrew Burd

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