От компании Mokselle? Последний шанс прийти на семинар "Построение системы интернет-продаж"? Мне вот такое письмо пришло, но я, грешным делом подумал, что как-то случайно сам подписался на эту организацию (естественно тут же от подписки отказался).
- Ivan Bessarabov
С Mokselle разберемся, нам они говорили, что спам не рассылают вообще-вообще. Спасибо за информацию.
- hemantic
Кстати, если от нас придет еще что-то незапланированное -- можете писать сразу на artem@timepad.ru (ну или стандартно на abuse@timepad.ru), будем работать с организаторами, замеченными в спаме. Сейчас у нас с этим строго ( http://timepad.ru/about... ).
- hemantic
Их конечно тоже можно пожурить, но откуда у них в принципе возможность что-то присылать людям, которые на них не подписывались? Я вообще название это впервые сегодня увидел. Это уже вопрос к вам.
- Alex Kapranoff
Сейчас проводим внутреннее расследование. Техническую ошибку с нашей стороны тоже рассматриваем, но ее вероятность не сильно высока (в силу нескольких причин). Пока наиболее вероятная версия -- утекли списки рассылок одной организации и в итоге попали к ним. То есть в дело вмешался человеческий фактор.
- hemantic
Выводы по расследованию: если за одним компьютером работают люди из разных компаний, и файлы с базами контактов у них называются примерно одинаково, то иногда случаются ошибки. И то, что в такой ситуации первым делом думают на нас, а не на рассылателей и хозяев баз – это факт, который нам надо будет учесть в дальнейшей работе. Спасибо за то, что обратили внимание на эту ситуацию!
- hemantic
Всё равно не совсем понятно. Компании могут загружать в Timepad базы емейл-адресов и рассылать по ним письма? Без всякого согласия владельцев этих адресов? Я правильно понял?
- Alex Kapranoff
Сейчас у нас действует модель opt-out в отношении рассылок. Это означает, что всегда есть возможность отписаться от организации, просто проследовав по ссылке внизу письма. Тогда письма от такой организации больше никогда не будут приходить. Но первая рассылка придет, да.
- hemantic
Такая модель означает, что вы — служба рассылки несанкционированных писем. Очень плохо :(
- Alex Kapranoff
Это означает, что мы будем изо всех сил искать баланс интересов подписчиков и организаций. Большинство организаций уже приходит к нам со своими готовыми базами пользователей, которые в свое время сами высказали желание получать от них рассылки. И лишний раз заставлять их подписываться еще раз тоже было бы негуманно. Кстати, будем очень благодарны за указания на best practices в этом деле. Наверняка не мы первые столкнулись с подобной ситуацией.
- hemantic
Figures. FF may have jumped the shark when it sold out to Facebook. But at least we diehards continue to stick around...
- Dennis Jernberg
my feed is jumping more than ever. something in those stats must be broken or skewed.
- Joe Silence
"... this is when we opened the real time beta and when the beta rolled out to the main site... oh and this is when we announced the Facebook aquisition..."
- KyleHase
I've been getting a rather healthy influx of new subscribers.
- Mark Davidson
Everyone's experience is different, Joe. I believe, in aggregate, that these numbers are correct. That doesn't impact my own behavior, of course.
- Louis Gray
Yes but I think the quality of information here is much better. The people that left were producing noise. Thank god Scoble took them with him..
- Uncle CW™
it's not dying, Igor, it's just losing the "flavour of the month" people who like to talk to the mirror.
- Joe Silence
lol...ty Louis...after I typed it I said ....Ooooh god...I'm an ass...no one needs to agree...
- Bill Heslin
I've been hit with a bunch of new followers lately. I'm still doing the same ole thing, I think. Plus, I found the librarians (or maybe they found me?).
- Derrick
@Derrick: in the end, The Librarians find us all!
- Joe Silence
Well, FF is probably the best of the last round of linear conversation and aggregation tools, largely thanks to the lack of overhead and fluff (the users contribute plenty). Whether you use it in a bare-bones, flat way -- or have mastered an elaborate orchestration of API hooks and fiddlizations -- there is plenty of value to be had in the way FF handles its business and lets the user handle theirs.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
This matches my observations as well and is a major reason why I've spent less time here. Chris: the problem is that most people tell me that Facebook has enough conversations for them. One of Zuckerberg's items a week ago had many thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
That still doesn't mean anything for me - it's still a very productive tool. I'm at an advantage by using it.
- Jesse Stay
Compete is about as wrong as Alexa was in the old days. Seriously, I have numerous benchmarks where I *know* the traffic and Compete is often off by serious margins. Instead, I'd use Quantcast which shows a major drop off in September, but with the bottom falling out the numbers have started to trend back up again. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- AJ Kohn
I agree only Quantcast is accurate-ish.
- Thomas Power
@Thomas: Yes, I'm not saying Quantcast is always right, but it's usually more right than the others.
- AJ Kohn
Thomas, that looks pretty up and to the right to me, in a long-term sense. It's fun to look at the short-term, but we're seeing no sense on a long-term scale of FriendFeed losing traffic. Great point on the Alexa and Quantcast (assuming we even need traffic graphs to keep us on here)
- Jesse Stay
@Robert, I'll never argue that Facebook isn't more popular. All the cute that it offers (which isn't nearly as bad as it could be) seems to make it approachable enough to a much wider audience than a tool like FF. I get that you can filter out the fluff and minimize the Facebookishness of it, but then you're stuck with their interface and color scheme (unless I'm missing something). I guess I really see them as being different corners at the same party.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
whatever it is.friendfeed still has it's unique user group's. i am happy to be here
- İbrahim Ot
I see more interaction on my items now than in the pre-Facebook days, but I may be an outlier.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
from iPod
Well, I don't care what the numbers say. I get much more out of Friendfeed (in terms of discovery, engagement *and* enjoyment) than I ever have from Facebook - and I should point out that, with 2 or 3 exceptions, I've met everyone on my Facebook friends list.. Friendfeed demonstrates that it doesn't require a cast of 350 million to make a great community.
- Andrew Terry
To get a good experience, friendfeed has always required you to put in a lot of time. So many active users comment on a thread and Hide it when they no longer have anything to say, if you come by a few hours later to comment you're just talking to a wall. friendfeed has never been very rewarding for casual use, in my experience, and that is doubly true now.
- DGentry
You can't argue with Metrics, but my own feed is very active
- RAPatton
from iPhone
What RAP says. I don't think this could ever be determined, but I wonder if certain language groups have dropped off their use while other language groups have maintained?
- Rochelle
You can Hide Stories? Really? Well, damn, so you can.
- Jason Hill
*yikes* that explains the lethargic Home Feed; less users = less interaction/activity = the lethargic(boring) feed
- sofarsoShawn
I check FF as much as I ever did (though I should prolly post more)
- Iain Baker
*quoting mode on* Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- Albert Einstein.
- Citronella
Traffic Statistics: fascinating if you like numbers; otherwise it's just classic ePenis-waving, pointing, and gloating, and not really important if you're happy.
- Mark H
That's a shame seeing as FF is better than all the other social sites. I'll continue to use it until I can't.
- Araceli
All you frowny faces need to go read through the thread - FriendFeed's just fine - up and to the right even. I'm not sure why Louis felt the need to post this. See this thread, much more accurate: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Note that November was the month Scoble announced publicly he was leaving Friendfeed (FTMP)
- Jesse Stay
T. Brent, FriendFeed doesn't need to make money (although I'm sure they will) - they're owned by Facebook, which is already profitable and cash-flow positive
- Jesse Stay
Yet, keep in mind FriendFeed is part of Google's deal for real-time content :-) I bet there was money there.
- Jesse Stay
"Q: Why doesn’t Compete’s estimate of site visitors match my local analytics (e.g. Google Analytics, Omniture)? ... A: ... Compete measures only US activity." -- http://www.compete.com/resourc..., while the Alexa chart Jesse posted in his thread showing up-and-to-the-right growth reflects global activity. There's no real disconnect between the two charts. Which one you think matters more probably depends on what argument you're trying to support.
- Ken Sheppardson
veo: the matrix. you're in it. you just don't know it.
- Itachi
Interesting. I was just thinking that FF has started to die. The activity amongst my friends and friends of friends has decreased considerably in recent weeks.
- Jason Toney
successful exists do not always equal successful products once acquisiiton is complete.
- susan mernit
...still here. Still like it. Still find it useful on many levels. The thing about FF is that even at its peak, its traffic and usage wasn't even in the same league as Facebook, Twitter, or even MySpace in steep decline. The raw user numbers never (or should I say, optimistically, haven't) reached any kind of critical mass. Outside of the early-adopter and sophisticated info junkie/informavore crowds, Friendfeed, just isn't that relevant.
- .LAG liked that
Quoting Jeniffer Aniston: This is so uncool. :-(
- Olivia Lovag
why I should trust only compete's data? where is guarantee they are not biased due to some unknown reason? now if you would go to e.g. quantcast for another opinion http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... and switch between 3m, 6m, 1yr and "all"... do you see difference? yes, I know quantcast doesn't have access to data, only estimate, yet... Ok, let's try alexa.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... - and they also show compeletly different trend... so, WHY we should trust compete's graphs?
- A.T.
How many people here use FF for work / project dev - or do you use it for just link sharing with friends?
- zeroinfluencer
@zeroinfluencer I use it for conversations, along shared links and not necessarily bound for them. I can't discuss my work in public at all, apart from very generic details, hence question about using it for work/project _is_ irrelevant for me. But rest is just goes here - twitter is very far behind friendfeed for me. And facebook complements friendfeed pushing it even further.
- A.T.
@AT @Jessy - I use FF a lot for project dev with distributed teams - the mix of chat and sharing in private groups has proved amazing. Even team members who have never used FF before have been going "wow" why the hell haven't we used this before?
- zeroinfluencer
To my point - FF has not really been presented as more than a Twitter style app - it's far more than that IMHO. It's a swiss army knife for the web.
- zeroinfluencer
I am new so this read well. I am one of those - why the hell wasn't I here before now. I used to Icq a LONG time ago. Then did nothing for a while. Joined a fan site - LonghornNation.com and met tons of people that many are still very important friends to me - I blogged, read and interacted on forums, met tons of people at real life events. Then that site was shut down and some moved to...
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- Paulette Garcia Morris
"Lavrov, who immigrated to the States after becoming an Internet millionaire in Russia at a young age – he sold his first company at age 16 for just south of $2 million – told me the app will be unique in the U.S. in the way it enables people to acquire new friends, rank users, handle group chat functionality and virtual currency."
- Igor Poltavskiy
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