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TheHenry liked this
a fire truck.
- l0ckergn0me
a Mac
- TheHenry
loosing my grip on reality?
- Mike Shea
good.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
I wish I was...
TheHenry liked this
eating sushi.
- l0ckergn0me
Home
- सत्याग्रह {Bren}
from iPhone
Taking pictures
- Justin Korn
from iPhone
not having an internal debate on if I should get the iPhone 3Gs.
- Mike Shea
on a beach somewhere peaceful and lovely with mojito in hand.
- Abby Martin
at the downtownsundown concert see: http://friendfeed.com/ccheath...
- Chris Heath
perfect.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
with Abby.
- jcunwired
happy.
- Derrick
at home
- Ha3rvey
pregnant. :)
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
calm.
- Michelle Martinez
"NRU" hot new iPhone app for finding things in big cities.. Details: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Jamie, Jamie, Marko Saric and 9 other people liked this
This is Marko Balabanovic, head of innovation at http://lastminute.com which makes a very cool iPhone app called "Near You" which shows you bars and other items of interest by just pointing your iPhone around. Requires iPhone 3GS because it uses the compass inside.
- Robert Scoble
Location based services will have success, especially on the iPhone.
- Torsten Eckert
It is called "NRU" and it isn't out yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is the coolest use of compass in new iPhone I have seen so far.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Methinks I'll definitely need to upgrade now.
- Anthony Baker
kind of like a better version of 'aroundme'?
- Chris Heath
Is there some where we can read more about this new app NRU? May be a demo video?
- Vinko
There is a video showing it here - http://lastminutelabs.wordpress.com/2009...
- Russ
Is the same app that's on the Android HTC Magic. it's seems to do exactly the same thing, show you what's in the direction you're pointing the phone
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: yup, it's the same app as on Android. Very cool, I filmed a video of it on my iPhone but can't get it to upload to YouTube. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be keeping an eye on the response from AroundMe.
- Nick Wade
It would be cool if the iPhone recorded compass direction when you took a photo.
- Bruce Lewis
I wish Orlando was considered a "Big City", but it almost never is. I miss out on a lot of city oriented tech out here. Awesome concept, and I think that the augmented reality apps will be a growing phenomenon in the next few years.
- Ryan Massie
I was told AroundMe will have this functionality soon
- Eric Andersen
My heart has a neon OPEN sign. Know any Seattle-area, single, cute women who are up for "Costco Hot Dog" dates? Email me.
Mike Doeff, Mark Krynsky, Bonnie and 30 other people liked this
It's gonna take a lot more than 1.50 to get laid - just sayin! ;)
- Mona Nomura
I didn't say I wanted to get laid, Mo. I'm going on five months without "woo hoo," I think I can make it through five more. Anywhere beyond that, and I might actually spontaneously combust.
- l0ckergn0me
So that's what you call yours :)
- jcunwired
im with mona. it takes at least a slice of pizza and a berry sundae thingy.
- Jason Wyttenbach
Dude, Costco Hot Dog dates RULE.
- Ha3rvey
My Sim's free tonight - what joo doin'?
- Mona Nomura
Not playing Sims, thank you very much. I'm actually TRYING to get dates, Mo.
- l0ckergn0me
Well I *was* offering her services to you, but thanks for the reminder of how LAME I am. Friday night geek fishing and gardening FTW!
- Mona Nomura
I just enjoy that you said 'woo hoo.' Mona, I think that is going to be my night as well.
- joey
The ol' Costco churro trick, eh?
- Andru Edwards
Oh, it's not a trick. The churro is a known aphrodisiac.
- l0ckergn0me
LOL
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
HAHA
- Jason Huebel
Well, it does have suggestive powers.
- Andru Edwards
I loves me some Costco churros... nom nom nom They're especially tasty after that salty hot dog. *wishin' I lived in Seattle*
- Lisa L. Seifert
Chris I'd like you to meet Lisa, Lisa this is Chris. That will be a 10 dollar finders fee, thanks.
- Geoff Schultz
*sigh* If only it were that simple, Geoff. LOL You could be rich!! Chris: I'm willing to relocate. Just sayin'. :-D
- Lisa L. Seifert
LOL @Mona. You've sold me on Sims3.
- Anika Malone
My Sim (Nana Fofana) is cheaper than a churro AND hot dog! :)
- Mona Nomura
Your Sim is also NOT REAL.
- l0ckergn0me
Well, what is real?!
- Andru Edwards
Yeah, well... if nothing else, I'm gonna be making a whole buncha new female friends. :) Might even have to dutch so they don't feel pressured to "make dessert." If ya know what I mean. *wink wink, nudge nudge*
- l0ckergn0me
PIE?
- Andru Edwards
"make dessert"? I gotta try that one.
- Ha3rvey
Mona, mine is "juanita bin Driver" (daughter of Alice of http://aliceandkev.wordpress.com) and she is not free, but her daughter SImone is, lockergnome. She's athletic and likes the outdoors, has a good sense of humor..
- anna
Uh, sub guys for women and send the results my way. *lonely* -->
- Derrick
Good luck, mate
- सत्याग्रह {Bren}
from iPhone
Luck? There's no such thing.
- l0ckergn0me
Lol!That's a datefeed, no friendfeed:)
- Citronella
No, not yet. No dates yet.
- l0ckergn0me
Mona and Chris... my boss met his wife after a hot dog date from a vendor outside CostCo. For real. And she's very good looking. Promise.
- Louis Gray
You see what I'm sayin', Louis?
- l0ckergn0me
No, but I'll dress up in a wig and skirt to talk tech with you...Belch
- Bret Rowe
Coscto hot dog dates don't sound that romantic dude.
- Jeremiah Owyang
first, i think you lie when you say you aren't looking to get laid. we all want to get laid. Now, I will agree that Costco hot dogs and churros rock the mudderfugging house, and they SHOULD be enough to get the panties off even the best looking honey, but they ain't. So unless you are looking like George Clooney or rich like Bill Gates, I'd hold off buying the mega pack of Trojans for now. but you never know....you might run into a girl that has low self esteem and a bad relationship with her father....
- Morgan Haley
If the lady is the right lady, she will love meeting Chris for hot dogs at CostCo.
- Louis Gray
did you say neon?
- Thomas Hawk
Yes, neon. Hurts like none other, and I would like to remove it ASAFP.
- l0ckergn0me
Chris, I think Hawk wants to shoot your neon heart.
- Anika Malone
Dude, don't overpay for the hot dog. I know girls that are more than happy with a pair of Jack in the crack 99 cent tacos *nudge nudge wink wink*
- Mark Krynsky
Okay, 99c tacos are also workable in this scenario. But Costco has a waaaaaaaay better atmosphere. Have you seen the onion slicer contraption? FTW!
- l0ckergn0me
BuddyTV - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Testing Google Chrome for the Mac (developer build). Works pretty well. Doesn't have a bookmark manager yet. http://build.chromium.org/buildbo...
Facebook? Up 10%. Twitter? Up 16%. FriendFeed? Flat - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Eric Johnson, farvel, stetto and 159 other people liked this
My analysis of where FriendFeed has gone wrong. Keep in mind that FriendFeed is growing faster than many blogs are, and is outpacing TechMeme, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
FF needs Shaq.
- mtlb
yup, they need celebrities. bring them oprah!
- Alex
FF is an incubator for Facebook
- Peter Warnock
Someone said they can't believe FriendFeed isn't gaining momentum. It is, but not at the same rate Facebook and Twitter are.
- Robert Scoble
friendfeed is not so easy for most people to "use" or view, I think twitter is the easiest, facebook is good for people who like it.. I 'use" friendfeed to post things that go to twitter and facebook but I do not come here a lot to read posts. After reading a page of posts and comments I have had enough, it is like reading 15+ blogs with comments, a little too bulky?
- David Gross
I don't think FriendFeed can compete with Facebook. I don't think it should, they're different tools.
- Glenn Slaven
8-10% of ALL techmeme posts are from TechCrunch why such a high rate?
- Benjamin Taylor
Why compare? I like FF for what it is. I don't want it to be in the same convo as Twitter and FB. It has nicely defined user base, a distinct design and functionality and has 2 great uses: conversation and self-aggregation
- Dave Ferrick
"The search industry has a dirty secret: 99% of people don’t click on advanced search, yet FriendFeed requires you to click on that button to use it in any useful way." You're right, but I find it interesting that FriendFeed's advanced search is the only advanced search I use. Maybe FriendFeed is a tool for the more advanced social networkers? Maybe it's not for everyone.
- Kevin Gamble
FF needs SMS before it gets Shaq
- Jesse Stay
I think FF is hesitant to make it a full-blown Twitter client because that would import all the spam.
- Peter Warnock
In terms of FriendFeed it's a fantastic tool for setting up a "lifestream" feed to your blog. really simple way to own your social media without plugins
- Benjamin Taylor
do they have an iPhone app ? are they "mobile" ?
- Alex
Robert, FriendFeed will catch on...in 2010
- Benjamin Taylor
Compete can't measure everything. For example, they think fftogo.com had 320 visits last month.
- Bruce Lewis
They can just make a really good FriendFeed client. What we are doing right now is the hidden power of FriendFeed. Allowing people to continue the conversation beyond the original post.
- Dave Mora
@Jesse Isn't twitter the SMS input?
- Peter Warnock
I find this a hilarious slap in the face for you Scoble, but honestly, FriendFeed does not have the simplicity of Twitter to be quite honest, and I have a much higher chance of using Twitter with a third party app than this. Still, it's all about if you're friends or people you want to watch are on here, and for me, they aren't,
- Chris
Seconding alex's question. I would use a FF iPhone app in a heartbeat
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
I mainly use friendfeed to post to it for people who like to read (bookmarklet and other stuff) and so friendfeed can post to twitter and facebook. I would like if it posted to myspace too :o)
- David Gross
Dave has a great point, it's FF provides a deeper layer of the conversation
- Benjamin Taylor
Robert, the list is backwards... it should be API, Mobile, monetization, etc..
- Alberto Saavedra
I can believe it. For the average joe twitter is easy and straightforward to get started. FF, not so much. You have a lot of credentials to input for your various services and the UI is like a corn maze even to some of my more techie friends. Also, having an established crowed never hurt. I appreciate FF and really see it's power, but most people do not and aren't willing to learn.
- John Reynolds
They need SMS before an iPhone app - most of the nation still does not have internet on their cell phone
- Jesse Stay
Alberto: it's 4 a.m. here in London and the list is in no particular order, just straight off the top of my head.
- Robert Scoble
friendfeed is NOT mobile unless you are on an iphone..
- David Gross
FF tripped these past two months because of a lack of iphone apps, lack of a good SUL, lack of a good intro for new members, lack of comments happening for new members. While FF has moved forward on some fronts - they still need better integration into blogs then we'll see a better uptake.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
John, exactly! The only thing I truly use this for is the occasional conversation bit and tying last.fm to my Twitter account.
- Chris
SMS can't be the answer right away, particularly when the major value add for FF is in the threaded conversation.
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
David, even on an iphone, FF trips
- LPH™ and his dog P™
jesse: SMS=money. plus, how effective do you think FF could be via sms?
- John Reynolds
Tristan - FriendFeed will never go to the masses if they don't have SMS support
- Jesse Stay
even if we forget the thought of monetization - my idea about creating a whitelabel ff to replace forums would drastically increase the usage and the understanding of the service - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - ff has to get out from under the early adopter rock - without going down the exact same path as twitter - my suggestion does exactly that.
- Allen Stern
@LPH o rly? so it is not so easy to make it mobile..
- David Gross
John, as effective as Twitter. Most remote people can't access it via the internet, but they can via SMS. Twitter is making SMS work - FriendFeed can as well.
- Jesse Stay
I agree Jesse, but what does that product look like? How does one keep up with the 'conversation' and stay relevant
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
Tristan, the same way they're doing the IM link above
- Jesse Stay
i disagree with the sms talk - all it would do is help the current users use it more - that's worthless for ff now - sorry jesse don't hate me :)
- Allen Stern
sms would not work, even email does not work and I get that on my phone.. there is too much of it..
- David Gross
Allen, I think it would get new users. Many users use Twitter mostly through SMS - it's what made Twitter appealing for me. It's why I used Twitter in South Dakota and Minnesota and Wyoming and not FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
SMS is not the future people. The future lies in ubiquitous data connectivity from all mobile devices with a growing amount of the market shifting towards more flexible touch screen interfaces and the iphone the leader of that market, the iphone is a perfect platform to put focus.
- John Reynolds
I like what Posterous is doing in terms of post methods
- Benjamin Taylor
Twitter hit a major booster rocket with the Hudson and iran and prop 8 - coupled with CNN shitting the bed. Now that dictators know about twitter, they're derailing it ahead of incursions. We've not heard thing 1 out of china on the uiger uprising. Never tracked. Ff should fill that gap. We need to strat crawling the boards for blow by blow uigerstan massacre stories. Boom, ff is the bees knees
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
It's just not inviting. A fraction too complicated. I signed up but really haven't used it since but I'm active on twitter because it's simple and I can do it with 1% of my brain. FF doesn't give me that and yet I know why it is technically a 'better' more advanced system than Twitter
- philhenley
I have to clean up my gmail before I go mobile because on my phone this conversation will be multiple messages even though in gmail it is one conversation lol
- David Gross
jesse - as robert noted - most people using twitter have no reason to be on ff - my sister is one of them - she has no need to aggregate a bunch of services - so sms won't "move" or "add" new users from twitter. my discussion board idea would.
- Allen Stern
The current FriendFeed audience is anti-SMS though. You guys will never be for it, but mark my words - the audience FriendFeed does want that will bring in the masses will come when they enable SMS
- Jesse Stay
David - the iphone apps are not quite good enough and the mobile interface on the iphone is worthless if the subscriptions are too high.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Allen, FriendFeed needs a simpler layer, and I think SMS is part of that. People don't have to use the whole thing, or even know it exists. They need a simple way to post statuses from anywhere they belong. So long as we're comparing them to Twitter, they have to do what Twitter does. Otherwise, why are we comparing them to Twitter at all?
- Jesse Stay
allen, I am on twitter and I love FF, I read blogs in google reader and any blog I share is posted to twitter through ff, I can favorite a youtube video from their mobile site and it is also posted on twitter through ff
- David Gross
Frankly, Jesse, the last thing I want is my phone beeping at me 100 times a minute. Do you realize how many SMS messages you would get from just THIS entry?
- Tommy Keene
Jesse I'm a big big fan of SMS..I use it for Twitter all the time...but I could not imagine using SMS for a conversation like this. Sms does the job when it comes to status updates and notifications. No brainer
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
In terms of the gains at twitter and Facebook, flat isn't bad. Although a few percentage points would have been nice.
- Michael Fidler
and actually, just making those links on the right anything but bog standard would really help FF look less like a beta product. It always feels to me like it's half finished
- philhenley
Tommy, that's what preferences and options are for
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed missed the 'boom' that Iran and MJ brought to twitter and FB. The only rason I can think of it, it was easier for people to join convos about those topics in twitter and fb than 'find' them in friendfeed. FF is still growing so nothing to be worried about. it will grow in its own pace as it has been doing.
- Freddie Benjamin
jesse - come to nyc - we will go to times square and ask how many people use sms or want to signup for ff to handle their sms and aggregate all their social services - you can even wear your social median shirt!
- Allen Stern
Tommy, and frankly, the power of Twitter SMS aren't the status updates I receive - it's the ability to post SMS updates
- Jesse Stay
My bad Robert, thought the numbers were priority. Jesse, unfortunately FriendFeed currently is perceived as a web app while twitter is kind of device agnostic
- Alberto Saavedra
I don't want to micro-manage my 100s of subscriptions
- Tommy Keene
I think Twitter and FriendFeed should just join forces and create a super social site: Fritter!
- Shawn Hickman
Allen, only if you come to South Dakota and Wyoming and Minnesota with me to ask the same questions
- Jesse Stay
Comment Control.. Cleaner interface (I never liked the redesign) ... and Media coverage :)
- Tim Hoeck*
Alberto, and that is unfortunate - it's why, so long as we're comparing it to Twitter, it will never have the numbers Twitter has
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, so then post to twitter. And it gets put into your ff automatically. What's the problem?
- Tommy Keene
jesse: ill mark your words, but i think they are wrong. the audience they want now, is anyone who will come. twitter is already going to get those people due to its popularity and simplicity. In a few years the majority of the audience will have moved to smart phones with broadband connections and advanced touch UI's. There needs to be an iphone app. NOW.
- John Reynolds
Tommy, the problem is Twitter still gets that traffic
- Jesse Stay
as I watch this thread I wonder.. why can't I "pop-out" a thread and watch it, like a chat room.. hard to follow a conversation..
- Tim Hoeck*
tim - if you click on the time, you get a dedicated page - but i agree with you - a "control center" would be nice
- Allen Stern
how about a mobile website before you make iphone app? is it so hard to make Like and Comment links that work in Opera Mobile or IE Mobile?
- David Gross
Can anyone imagine trying to take part in this conversation effectively via SMS? I can't. This much data needs a well designed UI and smart, easy to use filtering and notification tools.
- John Reynolds
It was SMS that enabled me to be the first report on the GreenPeace protest at Mount Rushmore - there was no internet there. It is those interesting Tweets that make Twitter interesting and appealing. It's the information, real-time content, and capability to post anywhere, any time that makes Twitter appealing. I can't necessarily do that everywhere with FriendFeed. It will never compete with Twitter in that regard.
- Jesse Stay
Information is flowing away and not stocked. This is the main problem. Solution is in applications as you said. Friendfeed should create a great developer community to spread their APIs. They need an another funding for developer contests. Or just one acquiring may solve this motivation problem of developers, like Twitter's Summize sourcing.
- Erhan Erdogan
sms wont get new users.
- Allen Stern
Allen, prove it
- Jesse Stay
I like Allen's white label idea.
- Michael Fidler
ahh.. thanks Allen.. guess that is one of those "usability" things :)
- Tim Hoeck*
I would not use ff in sms.. too many messages to go through, I would be way behind on my reading, it would be worse than my email..
- David Gross
thanks michael - i truly believe that it would open ff past the geekcore that it sits with now - sadly none of ff management has ever replied or commented on any of my ideas for them
- Allen Stern
tim - i only learned that last week - i agree why there isnt a button is beyond me
- Allen Stern
(Just got done reading the article and I can come right to the sidebar to comment on it. I love that.) I'm glad the growth is slow. Maybe the FriendFeed team isn't, but I love hanging out here and I don't think it would be the same if it was being hyped up as much as other services.
- Mitch
And now - we can see the next challenge faced by FF. The majority of FF entries have a short life - the flip of the page - unless others see the thread and "like" or comment. If the entry is missed then there is no power to the entry (and no immediate gratification for the person). Next, there are multiple entries of the same topics. On Twitter, this is partially solved by retweets - but "top" FFeeders don't really re-share other people's entries - thus "killing off the young."
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Keep in mind my comments are only in regards to FriendFeed being able to "compete" with Twitter. Otherwise Twitter is not competition. FriendFeed needs to figure out who they are and who they are competing with. I have no clue based on what you guys are saying.
- Jesse Stay
There are other uses for FF we for example are using it as CRM with the secret mail it work perfectly ,as well I recommended some time ago to let other sites when they register their users to make an automatic parallel user here in FF ,for example a newspaper that has his social activity can make all his users FF users ,its a small API but an important one
- Johni Fisher
Twitter is popular because, honestly, most people only want to hear themselves speak, and don't care that much about what everyone else thinks. However, there will always be those of us who like reading what other people think.
- Curt
agree jesse - i dont think they know who they are yet either - i'd like to see them move AWAY from twitter comparisons as it's just not a battle worth fighting at this time. it's time for ff to get some marketing staff
- Allen Stern
exactly curt - it's about people thinking they are a celeb.
- Allen Stern
I do not know how many people actually have the time for all this anyway, I been watching this conversation for a bit but it is past bedtime.. good night everybody :o)
- David Gross
take the experience out of the browser. i think a robust desktop app would gain FF a few more super dorky users, but wouldn't help them grow at the rate facebook and twitter are.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Jesse: Friendfeed will compete with Google Wave or Google Search. Not Twitter or Facebook.
- Erhan Erdogan
Allen, agreed as well - so long as they want to be Twitter they need SMS. If they don't want to be Twitter they need to distinguish exactly what they are. No one knows right now.
- Jesse Stay
Twitter has won their territory, FriendFeed needs to NOT be twitter, and find their "zone".
- Tim Hoeck*
Basically friendfeed has built an incredible communications platform that can be utilized in many different environments. The corporate market holds huge potential. White labeling friendfeed just makes sense.
- Michael Fidler
And now another challenge to FF is shown in these comments. People start talking to each other - and when not noticed they either keep trying to "join" the conversation or just remove themselves from the conversation. Finally, someone who just discovers this is NOT going to be interested in reading everyone's comments - thus lowering a person's interest.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Erhan which one - those are two entirely different products right now.
- Jesse Stay
Does FF have any recmmendation systems? With conversations like this I'd imagine that to be a killer opportunity
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
If they want to be search, search needs to be front and center, like Google
- Jesse Stay
i have to go to sleep im sorry but i still don't think sms will change that graph that thomas hawk posted. and not to harp on my idea but if they did start with the forum idea - think about how massive their real-time search index would be.... ponder that one - too many companies forget how much more is out there... it makes me very frustrated - ok be well everyone
- Allen Stern
If they want to be like Google Wave, the private messaging has to be front and center, and they need to be more open
- Jesse Stay
"real time" overload this thread is a prime example
- Benjamin Taylor
It's just like a chat room
- Benjamin Taylor
I just read Scobleizer's blog post. What's this about Facebook cloning FriendFeed? Did Facebook enhance "Like" to where I see non-friends' items on Facebook that my friends Like? Does Facebook have "Hide other items like this one" now? Last I saw, Facebook only had flimsy imitations of FriendFeed's functionality.
- Bruce Lewis
except, the UI is not like a chat room... hard to follow.
- Tim Hoeck*
LPH, exactly right about the size. You can't have a conversation with a zillion people at once. Smaller groups are more effective, and that's why Facebook is popular, you control who you talk to...
- Curt
Jesse: This data will be valuable than Google's crawled index. They must use this value. But I ve no idea which one they choose.
- Erhan Erdogan
Allen there are so many more people that can post content to FriendFeed (vs the other Social Networks in the graph) once they open up SMS. Much more content will go directly to FriendFeed, and not their "competition" (if that graph is really who they're trying to compete with - I don't think it is)
- Jesse Stay
But you can update ff with text messages I thought. By updating twitter and feeding twitter. By updating fb and feeding fb. By updating wordpress and feeding wordpress. I thought that is what made ff powerful. Ff's original sin was obscuring and hiding the fact that it's made of feeds. Favicons for the fed services would help that.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Content *can* already go from SMS to FF... through Twitter.. I don't see the point.
- Tim Hoeck*
LPH, Curt: isn't that exactly what Google Wave will do? Have the ability to branch off?
- Jim Halligan @jim
Benjamin: It's really hard to find the "comment" link when talking like in mIRC. : ) What is the problem. A "comment" link in the last comment's right may be useful.
- Erhan Erdogan
just give us a good old fashion frame so we can scroll :)
- Tim Hoeck*
What brought people to Twitter were the "tornado" and "earthquake" and "fire" posts. It made Twitter interesting and brought even more people to Twitter. The iPhone wasn't out then - how do you think people were posting those emergency Tweets at that time (and even now)? The media caught that and before we knew it even Oprah was talking about it. SMS is the root of what has made Twitter successful, even if the majority of users don't use it all the time. The "interesting" Tweets all come from SMS.
- Jesse Stay
Perhaps every Friendfeed fan should take it upon themselves to introduce one new person to it. #Mentor
- David Damore
age sex location?
- Erhan Erdogan
nooooooo....
- Tim Hoeck*
23 m istanbul :D HAHA good nights! ; )
- Erhan Erdogan
Bruce I think that FaceBook has other bug as well ,when you send a request to B a friend with someone even with out his approval you are getting at your wall his posts or part of them for sure
- Johni Fisher
this is what i mean by taking the experience out of the browser. at least for me, chrome cannot handle this thread right now.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Not being supported by developers is a big downside for friendfeed, The problem is there is little room for a ff client to add value like they do for twitter.
- Alistair
Facebook is confusing to me.. too much going on in their UI. Twitter is ridiculous to carry on a conversation. FF is for me. Just clean up the UI, and make things easier to manage. And word to the wise.. when I start getting "Which character from HBO's True Blood are you?" requests, I'm outta here!
- Tim Hoeck*
Twitter growth = bots, spammers.
- Mo Kargas
What's really interesting is that these 3 products are entirely different products that I think should be competing on entirely different turfs. The blogosphere for some reason wants them all to compete.
- Jesse Stay
Forums, IRC, and Newsgroups all co-existed (and still do).. what's the difference? They all have their niche.
- Tim Hoeck*
I am learning about Friendfeed now, but feel Twitter has elements of Google, linkedin and real time convos, that Friendfeed does not make as easy or intuitive. But friendfeed offers full convo tracking. To me, it seems like merger mania on the horizon. Question: Who buys who?
- Alan W Silberberg
FriendFeed vs. Google Wave?
- Jim Halligan @jim
like Robert said in his blog, friendfeed is newer than either fb or twitter and is in similar place as when they were same age.. to me it seems like friendfeed can be like twitter when nobody comments or the page is full of tweets or it can look more like facebook when people post pictures and stories and leave comments.. It is like a mesh of facebook without the nasty apps and twitter...
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- David Gross
Frankly, I'd love to see one company own all three - I think it would make a really valuable product, and I think all 3 would still co-exist
- Jesse Stay
Any "popular" alternative to Friedfeed? - People just don't get it. ( I use it )
- FranK
Ff does need a better mobile app. However there is no reason for it to compete with Twitter, they have different uses
- Kim Landwehr
from iPhone
This thread has me excited for the embargoed story Scoblizer dropped hints about. I think this is the typical right before big story provacative thread that robert starts, which the embargo'd announcement answers the question of.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Jesse, I think that sounds good, all 3 together in harmony.. and I have introduced my twitter and facebook friends to http://ff.im/1hqgl :o) #hive
- David Gross
Not 100% off topic since it was mentioned can someone tell me why 8-10% of ALL posts on Techmeme are from TechCrunch?
- Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin, others have their theories, but my view: TechCrunch also breaks 8-10% (or more) of all tech news stories. They're simply the first to the stories.
- Jesse Stay
Benjamin: TechCrunch covers more tech industry news and gets linked to by more influential bloggers than any other site. Before TechCrunch deleted its account here, it was my #1 most "liked" FriendFeed account, too.
- Robert Scoble
FranK: Facebook is the popular alternative to FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think it's a different tool than FriendFeed. It's more for managing relationships. FriendFeed is more about information and aggregation.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I like it too, it's impressive based on the list of tech blogs/sites http://www.techmeme.com/lb
- Benjamin Taylor
Yes Jesse, the 3 are entirely different and FF's perceived focus is realtime conversations but the service is not ready to scale (the value) yet, this conversation is an example... everyone should have the ability to create different threads in their own view and aggregate them (personalize) as preferred. But web development is not there yet, what FriendFeed needs is more developers excited.
- Alberto Saavedra
Less is more. FF seems to be too much for the average non-techy user. Twitter is about as basic as you can get. Although ff is a great app, I find myself here rarely.
- Tomy
Does anyone have an opinion on how FriendFeed might deal with Google Wave as a competitor? I see these two services being very similar, closer than Twitter & FF. Robert, I see how you use FF bring people from Twitter over here to discuss topics. Do you see yourself using Wave in a similar fashion, and what do you think the adoption rate will be like?
- Jim Halligan @jim
Jim, I have not even had a chance to see what google wave is all about, just waiting for them to spring it on me..
- David Gross
from email
Jim: I'm with David. Don't know enough yet about Wave. When they get it to me we'll check it out quickly.
- Robert Scoble
wave might be a good thing, I DO use gmail.. maybe google will buy friendfeed? lol
- David Gross
from email
Robert, if you ever want to try it I have a test account I can let you play with any time.
- Jesse Stay
Wave is more a competition with Gmail than it is FriendFeed, unless there's something they have yet to release or announce that utilizes the Wave protocol
- Jesse Stay
Wave is a technology. If it's good, FriendFeed will use it, possibly better than anyone else does.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks. I believe that if they do end up competing, as much as I love FriendFeed- I think they might be in trouble because Google will be able to back the real-time search technology and they may also have a way to monetize the Waves from day one.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Bruce: Very good point.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Jim, I think Google would be better off just buying FriendFeed and integrating the Google technology with what FriendFeed already has. I think Paul and crew have carefully poised themselves this way.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, do you think the former googlers want to be acquired by Google? Paul B has talked about wanting to structure a company in a new, more sustainable way. Would he be happy back in Google's structure again?
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, I don't know Paul, but I'm willing to bet if the offer was right he wouldn't turn Google down.
- Jesse Stay
Another option would be to sell to Microsoft or Yahoo, of course.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Paul wouldn't sell. Doesn't need to. And if he did the offer would be so wacky and based on the numbers FriendFeed isn't going to get a wacky bid this year.
- Robert Scoble
FB should pay FF to be an incubator, like Fedora and Redhat Enterprise.
- Peter Warnock
I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I think they'll sell this year or next.
- Jesse Stay
Anyways, back to vacation. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, only 5 days to the Boston FriendFeed meetup! http://friendfeed.com/massach...
- Bruce Lewis
I did see a feature in Google wave which might help here. They have a real-time grammar/spelling correction system, which was included from the start. It was included to to make the platform as comfortable to use as possible hopefully to appeal to a larger audience. Some people type slow or make grammatical mistakes; I'm the king of them. Personally, I would love anything that would help in this area.
- Michael Fidler
Bruce, I'm looking forward to it!
- Jesse Stay
I don't use FriendFeed as much as I probably should. And where is its RSS feed?
- Sandra Large
Sandra - Check the bottom of the page.
- Mitch
Jessie, I could completely see Google buying friendfeed. It seems to me that's been a possible exit stategy from the start.
- Michael Fidler
Sounds like a wild prediction Michael, or are there some clues/hints that I'm oblivious to?
- Mitch
Mitch, it's total conjecture on my part. It's just a theory, nothing more. I can see it as an exit strategy, but whether it was preconceived is nothing more than speculation. There isn't any bad blood between them that you know of, is there?
- Michael Fidler
Curt's comment above: "Twitter is popular because, honestly, most people only want to hear themselves speak..." Good point. Of course there's a degree of that everywhere including FF, but the inherent length limit on a twitter is enough insulation for most users that, when faced with a call to debate, are comfortable with 1) Shooting out a curt, cryptic one-liner or 2) Not responding at all. The rich communication environment on FriendFeed makes not backing up what you bring to the party glaringly obvious.
- Micah Wittman
Allen, your whitebox idea deserves more consideration, discussion and air time than it's currently getting. I would love to see forum software replaced or morphed by the power of the FF technology. I think one hesitation (at least for now) may be the worry of siphoning off too many staff resources to deal with the hosting/dev infrastructure + licensing deal issues that go with the territory. Regardless, we need more analysis on this, people!
- Micah Wittman
I had no clue what I was signing up for when I signed up for friend feed. I thought it was just another social networking platform (e.g. same as facebook / twitter). It needs to be more obvious that friend feed can consolidate TONS of social networking tools and improve them.
- duskstriker
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- Nick Halstead
Good post with a lot of interesting observations. The one point I would push back on is the API: friendfeed has by far the best designed API - way better than facebook and twitter. The reason there are less applications on friendfeed is not because of the API but I think because they have not reached their critical mass yet. I personally think that this whole social networking/messaging...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Agree,Friendfeed is kind of noisy,many people like me doesn't use that as often as we used to.
- Steve Chou
I think a good name could make a difference. Friendfeed, friendfood, friendfodder !!!???
- Nitin Nanivadekar
FF suits professionals but facebook is for every one, you need to upload photos thats it
- کاکا حاجی
FF is doing just fine... It's a very, very powerful product as it is now. Yea it has many imperfections... So feedback is great, but also give it some time, and it will become better and better (it has been that way thus far), and will rock the world. Also, remember that slower growth may be a blessing for a product, too.
- Onur Kabadayi
FriendFeed seems to be an important web application and, in hindsight, may turn out to be the ground breaker in a new class of applications. However, it is horrendously difficult to understand. Even as a reasonably technical user, the presentation of configuration information about what is input, what is output, what is connected to what, etc. is appalling. "My kingdom for a diagram!"
- John W Lewis
As a developer that creates a lot of mashups etc, I disagree about the api, the problem with the api is not the api it's a case of what to do with it. The data that comes out of FF is much more complex than fb and twitter. I am working on something which should solve some of your issues and show it off. Lack of hype is also why there are not many apps.
- Darren Stuart
Great article, Robert Scoble. Love your ruthless intellectual honesty in identifying some problems with a service you have heavily evangelized. It would be easy to address these issues, but I am beginning to think that FF management has a much different take on the noise problem than many of us (including Tim O'Reilly).
- Sean McBride
Inevitably it will go down. I don't understand why you're so obsessed about Friendfeed. Maybe you should listen to the words of Kawasaki.
- Muzaffer Can
I agree with Onur Kabadayi.. Robert says it in his post as well. Twitter's growth in the first two years was similar. Plus, given the fact that it is a more complicated tool, it will take some more time for management to get some "First Things to Do Now that you are on FriendFeed" kind of documentation, and for the users to really grasp all that can be done w/ Friendfeed and why it is better (the differentiation). Sean McBride, could you expand on "a much different take" when it comes to noise.?
- John Serra
John: FF has a "much different take" on noise: some of us have been complaining quite loudly about the noise issue for over a year now, with no feedback from FF or moves from FF to address the problem. Perhaps this is a matter of individual aesthetics; perhaps Paul, Bret and the FF crew enjoy a large sprawling rambling chaotic canvas and don't see the world through the same eyes as Tim O'Reilly, Mitch Kapor, Tim Bray, etc. Twitter is growing much faster than Friendfeed because of its minimalism and brevity.
- Sean McBride
Twitter is being blocked by China Government, evildoing!
- Motor Industry
Exactly why I asked Sean.. I like the fact that there is noise, and I like the fact that I get to filter out what I don't want to see.. Yes, we could argue that the ability to filter should be better, or more explicit, but I believe we are still at an early stage of development for this tool.. So, yes, I believe it is only for early adapting power users (sorry for the generalization) at...
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- John Serra
FF does so much more for my work and my engagement with my professional community than twitter or FB have ever been able to. :) Thanks for the interesting post!
- Allyson Lister
Friendfeed is a major player in real time search and it never sucks like Twitter( Its always down)
- Michael_techie
Why? FriendFeed is a place for the more geeky type, and mostly all geeks already have a Friendfeed account. Friendfeed is for people who are in social media, who have many accounts on everything, like I do. Frienfeed isn't growing because it serves a different purpose, to connect the sites that connect us.
- Zachary TG
I still feel like I am not being understood by many on the noise issue. I just clicked on my Peoplebrowsr tab and was able to scan *twenty* new mostly high-value Twitter posts from high-quality news feeds, many of which do not post directly to Friendfeed. I clicked back to my Friendfeed page, and am able to see only *two* primary posts. So: Twitter via Peoplepbrowsr usually offers a 10...
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- Sean McBride
I think FF is missing a huge opportunity to engage the Flickr community -- a large and established group of people and a community where FF could be a natural tool. 1. FF needs to allow you to import all of your Flickr contacts into FF matching up actual accounts where possible and creating an option for imaginary friends for the rest (to be replaced by actual accounts when others...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - best thought of the whole damn thread
- Matthew DeVries
Long-term, I think that FF can also expand in the direction of aggregating real-time sensor data like pachube (http://www.pachube.com/). As wireless smart-meters invade our homes, every one of us will have at least a few sensor data streams that can be fed to FF for commenting, analysis, mashing, etc. Making effective real-time search over that data torrent is the only thing that can...
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- Vlado Handziski
I'll second that. Brilliant idea Thomas!
- Michael Fidler
Ironically, one of FriendFeed's problems is that its web experience is simply too good. Twitter's sucked (and still does), so it was the third-party developers who jumped in and as you said, are driving Twitter's growth.
- Aviv
I'm not going to lie, I don't want more people to join friend feed, they are ready ruined twitter. Well, maybe not ruined, but the value is a bit polluted by the bots and many self interested people
- Robert D. Fraser
Aviv, got to disagree with you about FriendFeed's web experience. A discussion like this one, with above a hundred comments, just turns "discussion" into the worst kind of flat-forum experience. It becomes impossible to find who's responding to who, because it isn't threaded (and you can't collapse responses). It's like an unthreaded Slashdot - simply unreadable.
- Ian Betteridge
Ian: funny, I read every unreadable comment here.
- Robert Scoble
Me too! This kind of thread is totally readable.
- Jim Connolly
Ian, I agree with you on that, but other than that issue (seen most frequently at Scoble's threads, of course) you have to agree that the early adopter crowd really adores the slick UI that the FF team got us used to. Among those early adopters are also potential third-party developers who have absolutely no incentive to compete with FF on delivering better UI experience, especially...
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- Aviv
And since you mentioned flat-forum experience - that's another problem FF faces; It evolved into a forum-like experience. A real-time one, but still a forum experience. And we all know mainstream doesn't care much about message boards unless they're troubleshooting some Windows printer driver. I'm guessing that for most "normal" users, keeping up with what goes on on FF is fun for the...
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- Aviv
The deer in the headlights reaction by some as to not getting likes and comments (or to the desired degree) doesn't seem much different than case of dreamers who think moving to Hollywood or Nashville automatically means you'll get noticed. It's an opportunity.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, that's not the same at all. I think that for some people, myself included, FF is just not as useful as it once was. 6 months ago I'd get some reactions to threads like http://friendfeed.com/aviv... and http://friendfeed.com/aviv.... Granted I don't have the network that...
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- Aviv
Aviv - you 're thinking/acting in single stream. Things only get burried if you have bad searches, bad lists, and bad groups. Real Time is infinitely more useful and I'm far less likely to miss things now because of the greatly improved saved search abilities and group making.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, I'm not talking about my own management of the FF stream. That I do well. What I find troubling is that so many don't, and as a result entries go unnoticed quite often. IMHO this will be most difficult for new users to comprehend and will be the biggest contributor to them not coming back.
- Aviv
I guess I'm not seeing that. Participation on my content took off hardcore since Real Time. My FFHolic numbers have been insane. And my feed is not full of what this audience would consider useful or informative content, or even remotely connected to the field that 90% of you are in. Yet I am getting satisfactory traffic and engagement. So I find it hard to believe that someone who is...
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- Matthew DeVries
Aviv, thanks for clarifying. If your network puts you in a List, problem solved - but you already knew that. So the point you made was a lot of other people aren't leveraging lists and searches. So I'm thinking out loud with you here: what's the remedy? Maybe an algorithm that automatically puts what appears to be your core network into a List, and then flags you that there's unread activity going on in that List. I'm speaking in broad terms, but what do you think?
- Micah Wittman
lol Matthew. Self fulfilling prophecy, right, that's probably it. Or not: I took a look at your feed and it reminds me a lot of Digg. So I'm not at all surprised that you're seeing increased engagement. But in any case, I don't see the increased engagement you're talking about. Your content gets at best 4 Likes. I guess you don't know what I'm talking about really.
- Aviv
Wow Aviv. Just go on the meta attack. Wanna talk about my mom too while you're at it? The irony of calling me Digg-ish.
- Matthew DeVries
LOL
- Aviv
Really, the place you should be is Building43, and from your feed it's obvious you just want a tech group, talking tech things, with tech cred. You're right Ff is not for you.
- Matthew DeVries
*rolls eyes* he really did just flame my feed...... Do we even do that here?
- Matthew DeVries
I'm sure you won't be around much either, as soon as FlickChart implements forums.
- Aviv
o.O Cause I use FlickChart a lot?
- Matthew DeVries
So excited, my first ever flame war on FF. I guess it just became useful again. Where have you been in the past 2 years Matthew?
- Aviv
So that's what you're looking for?
- Matthew DeVries
Notice I haven't flamed you yet. It's just you deciding you're going to kick me in the dick for no reason at all.
- Matthew DeVries
Move on man. Your feed really does look like Digg, so admit it and let's move on. :)
- Aviv
So that's what you want out of this? People to get into old school flame wars?
- Matthew DeVries
I mean, I don't know why you suddenly decided you hated me, and felt the need to break down my feed and judge it against they beauty of yours. Sorry for what ever it is I did to you. I don't think it warranted your needless rudeness.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, come on, are you serious? Can you not tell when someone is being sarcastic?
- Aviv
That's not what you're doing.
- Matthew DeVries
You two knock it off.
- Robert Scoble
I'm fine if you want to mod it out Robert (though I know you don't believe in that, and I'm not going to Chris White up your joint)
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, I was just pointing out that your feed probably sees more engagement because Digg-like threads on FF bubble to the top more often than "serious" threads (actually I should say entries, because they rarely get the chance to become threads;) Scoble even says so in his post. I'm sorry if you feel that I attacked you personally, as that was far from my intention.
- Aviv
The UI is my biggest gripe. Face it FF is geared towards techie users I don't know if that was the plan. I don't see how FF could bring in regular users unless they have something like Facebook apps.
- sarvesh
I don't buy the API argument, it is the best of all the social networks. I developed the FriendDeck client using it, it is very very very clean for an API. As for clients, there is my FriendDeck app, it was way ahead of Tweetdeck for some features (web and desktop client with shared settings)
- Paul Kinlan
Seriously, I will lead the development of a Friendfeed client if anyone wants, take my FriendDeck brand and grow it make it better.
- Paul Kinlan
Jumping in a little late, but I have to say that I would be a much more active user on FF if the mobile site was functional on my BB. FF2GO just doesn't cut it since I can't change my settings or anything. I'm just not sitting at my desk or in front of a laptop all that often, but I always have my BB on me.
- Matt Thompson
FF2GO rocks as far as web based things go, but Tim Hoeck is working on what is looking like a really great Moble App for friendfeed. http://friendfeed.com/andfeed There is the room for it
- Matthew DeVries
Paul, the thing is, there's no need for such a client. Web experience is too good to encourage others to develop alternatives.
- Aviv
Aviv: I don't buy that in the slightest, there is a lot of need, multiple columns, sub feed/list filtering, user discovery, verticals (video only feeds, picture columns etc - like amplifeeder http://paul.kinlan.me as an example), there are lots of things that a good client will do to enhance Friendfeed.
- Paul Kinlan
Perhaps, but Twitter was ugly and near useless from day one, so the incentive (and need) for third-party developers was more obvious. It's also hard for a single third-party developer to enhance a service that updates its UI and functionality every other day. While the FF team is definitely doing a great job at that, it's much easier to develop on top of Twitter when you know it takes them 2 months just to charge the color of a link.
- Aviv
interesting. I've avoided subscribing to you but maybe that's what I need to fully appreciate FriendFeed (my interest had been waning) :)
- Paul Whitaker
@paul Nah, don't subscribe to Scoble (sorry Robert), I did for a while but it leads to information overload. Instead subscribe to a few people who do subscribe to him and you see the best bits as they 'like' and 'comment' on them. That said, this is redundant advice as you saw this post that way anyway I presume... and for me, thats the power of FF.
- James Macgill
Aviv: I defiantly agree that friendfeed has an awesome service and it works on many levels better than twitter does and they are very responsive and proactive to change. The biggest thing about a desktop client is a desktop client, you would be suprised how many people's workflow require a desktop app started from the start menu (I don't personally understand it but the demand is massive)
- Paul Kinlan
James: I don't mind seeing roberts posts at all, however the best bit of friendfeed for me are lists (i.e, lists of people I really follow etc), my discussions and the Best Of Day.
- Paul Kinlan
Amazing to see Facebook items with 100,000 likes and 10,000 comments. Would the FF interface be at all workable with so much activity? It's already hard to find anything beyond the top layer of most popular stuff unless you spend a huge amount of time managing hand-made lists. Not scalable. I might be able to sort 1,000 people into lists by hand, but 100,000. Whoa. I need some help from...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Ahh, nothing like the insiders vs. the masses. I like comparing things to cars... Volvos might be pretty solid cars, yet do people go "OMG I sooooo want a Volvo!"? Fellow geeks, please learn the tradegy of the commons. Just cuz it's good, doesn't mean people want it.
- Eric Rice
FF targets the wrong users! For some reason, I just find it hard to believe FF does not target publishers large and small in some ways, newspapers going out of business, it has very advanced feature set, however it wrongly serves the wrong audiences in many ways and should exit to target media companies, bloggers, newspapers, publishers and other groups. It's not built for the gossipy myspace crowd, it is targeted towards the wrong group adaptation in my opinion.
- Jonathan Fleming
Good. The fact that everybody isn't using FF is the only reason I still use it, unlike FB and Twitter. Morons haven't taken over yet.
- Lo
A mobile app for the iPhone would get me spend more time on FriendFeed
- Bob
There are myriad of ways that Friendfeed can contribute to bottom lines i.e. monetisation. Smarties could be using Friendfeed for serious tribe building which is sales funnel basics, a private group for Brand Monitoring/Listening will reveal opportunities for the savvy, heck one could even use a private group as a continuity product. I could go on but Im sure you get the idea. If people can't see monetary value and other forms of currency in Friendfeed then, it might be worth a deeper look
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Yo @technosailor I mocked you because you were a jerk, not because your points didn't have some weight. Go back and read what I wrote you.
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- Phil Boiarski
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Let's all give our personal perspectives on why Twitter is AWFUL
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1. It's substanceless. It's impossible to say anything of real value within 140 characters. Why do you think so many people are using it to share links instead of their own personal insight? Because no one can make a substantial point using three word sentences!
- Brad Williamson
2. It's turning into MySpace. Ya know how back in the day so many people wanted to inflate the amount of friends they have so they could be PERCEIVED as being popular? Well that's happening on Twitter right now. Unless you or your entity is a public figure, there's no way all those followers are listening to you. As a regular Twitter user who isn't any type of well-known thought leader,...
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- Brad Williamson
3. Here's how a Twitter conversation unfolds: 1. I write a Tweet (I hate saying that word). 2. Moments later, a person replies to that Tweet as best they can in 140 characters. 3. Because I haven't been on Twitter in a couple hours, I finally see their response and do my best to reply to them in 140 characters. 4. Hours later, my response is seen and replied to. ...This delayed...
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- Brad Williamson
4. All the hype is causing mainstream news organizations to OVERUSE the platform. Valuable on-air time is being used to either see what Twitterers are saying (in 140 characters, NOT MUCH) about an issue, or they're asking us to follow them during time on segments when they're supposed to be reporting news.
- Brad Williamson
5. Public figures are starting to believe that all it takes to be considered someone who is "fan friendly" is to write, or for their assistants to write, quick little tweets. As a fan of certain celebrity Twitterers, I find it to be insulting that they think they can satisfy my hunger to gain deeper insight into their lives with this lazy approach to fan "engagement."
- Brad Williamson
I use twitter primarily to converse on hot trending topics :)
- Swaroop
I'll post more of my beef with with Twitter in a bit. In the meantime, let's hear some well thought out reasons why Twitter is awful so that those who love the platform can feel a frenzy to argue back ;-)
- Brad Williamson
@Swaroop Do you feel like you can express comprehensive thoughts on trending topics within your limited character space?
- Brad Williamson
Twitter is/was/will be a big success owing to fact that people don't have time to blog (I know some ppl still manage to pull this off), but most of them would just like to dump their quick thoughts onto a platform easily reachable.
- Swaroop
@Brad: Agree to the fact that expressing a huge belief couldn't be done in 140 chars, but that's where we have conversations (Reply to a tweet) right ? For scattered conversations - I am still able to successfully stay in loop/touch with the trends & friends
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Why wouldn't you use Facebook, or any other social media platform that allows you to breath a little, to share yourself with friends and family?
- Brad Williamson
It is changing as do all children as they grow up. So far, I still like it. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I don't feel like I can have a conversation on twitter without threads
- Ryan
@Brad: I'm using Facebook - But it's too personal for scattered thoughts. Sometimes strangers are better judges for random crazy ideas/or when some work related help (some technical prob). Plus I do have the twitter app repeating the tweets back in Facebook for those one or two friends who don't tweet.
- Swaroop
@Brad: Like your image on Blue "ugly" duckling *ahem* bird
- Swaroop
@Matthew Besides the Trending Topics (which has just tuned into a "FOLLOW ME!!" soapbox) and a few other little improvements, I personally don't think it's evolved that much. To me, it's still a constrained conversation prison (I wonder if that made any sense ;-)
- Brad Williamson
@Swaroop HAHA! Yeah, when I saw that pic, I knew it would be perfect for this conversation ;-)
- Brad Williamson
I like it for what it is and if Twitter expands options that will be a good thing. This site 'Friendfeed' offers more options for expression--I like that feature also, even better, I like the cc feature to Twitter. All social sites will eventually, I think, become an octopus like entity with many arms linked to one another in clouds.
- Johnice Reid
Full of 'celebs'
- Kevin Hatton
@Johnice I think we all can agree that FriendFeed is the king of of the real-time ring.
- Brad Williamson
6. Using Twitter often forces you to have to say out loud the word "Tweet." I swear, if that word is ever included in the dictionary in the coming years, I'm gonna lose all respect for the English language.
- Brad Williamson
7. The suggested users list represents a desperate attempt to encourage people to become engaged in the site. Not only will those suggested users never reply to anything you say to them, but it's likely that you won't be a fan of any of them in the first place.
- Brad Williamson
8. The Trending Topics feature has already become a spam machine. Sure, some people leave relevant comments within these topics, but, for the most part, it's just used as a place to get new people to follow them.
- Brad Williamson
It is Schrodinger's birdy I think of it as a quantum communication. I am speaking to everyone and no one at the same time.
- Robert Higgins
9. It's hogging all the hype that FriendFeed deserves.
- Brad Williamson
I don't think Twitter is awful because it's not Friendfeed and isn't meant to be FF. Twitter is great for what it does. I can easily share thoughts, questions, and info with a certain group of people quickly. With the right tool to read Twitter, I can also keep track of conversations. I generally don't have time these days for a tool that requires me to scroll through a bunch of junk to...
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- LLL
@LLL Your experience of FriendFeed would be much more enjoyable if you wouldn't privatize your feed. I'm just sayin' ;-)
- Brad Williamson
10. It's sad how many people say that traditional blogging is dead and Twitter is the future. How can constrained commentary and conversation trump a platform that is limitless in function? With such a philosophy it would seem like our culture is doing everything it can to embrace a dumbed-down appreciation of ideas and information. Twitter's current popularity gives it the influence to...
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- Brad Williamson
Twitter sucks because it won't auto-refresh on the Nokia N800 :) (via http://ff.im/53bCT)
- George Dearing
Twitter is on the bottom of a very large trend, it will be as ubiquitous as email. But yeah Brad they will have to replace wikipedia with twikipedia. Explain the 10th Convention of the Parties on Biodiversity in 140 characters.
- Robert Higgins
Brad -- permit me to voice a contrarian opinion on Twitter. :) I think it is currently the world's premier news distribution system. I used to share your views on Twitter until I realized that tweets can point to documents of any type or size, including long articles, books, dissertations, movies, etc. -- one click and you are on the full document. Now I use Twitter to track the latest news from dozens of high-quality news sources. For discussions, I use Friendfeed mostly.
- Sean McBride
An appalling lack of features and reliability
- LANjackal
Spam.
- Will Higgins™
Good article Brad. I think you make some very good points.
- Kevin Hatton
The lack of features is really the only thing that bugs me. I can't believe a company with as much venture capital as they have and as huge of a userbase hasn't managed to innovate.... at all. I still use Twitter religiously, as that's where the majority of my friends and connections are, but I really wish they'd fix some things.
- mike fabio
Peoplebrowsr is overflowing with features for managing Twitter.
- Sean McBride
I agree with Sean. I use it to track news from various sources as well as the thoughts of others. I post quick links to things from the web that I want to share, but if I have an opinion to share in the form of a longer-form response to something, I'll blog that, then usually post a link to it on Twitter. I'm new to FriendFeed and still trying to figure out how to fit it into my flow, but i like its ability to do much of what Twitter does without the 140char limit.
- Kevin Arth
It's easier to just crosspost tweets to something with more features like Facebook. That way if someone has a follow up they can put it there instead. Other than that it's mostly a glorified mailing list, though I think Dane Cook proved to us that even that has some use.
- Ben Blackford
Twitter will peak in 2009.
- Patrick Breitenbach
Who wants to read about what strangers are eating for dinner without at least seeing pictures of the food?
- Amy
Twitter may be awful but guess what? I tried to get people to come to Friendfeed and they didn't. So it's what we live with.
- Morton Fox
I love twitter because it allows me to use it exactly how I want to. Follow and unfollow and block allow spam to effect me very little. IF you are autofollowing and auto dming then spam will ruin it for you and in fact... you are spam. Its only awful if you let it be awful. it is awful as a ongoing conversation tool, but not what it was built to be I dont think. A baseball bat is a...
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- Cody Heitschmidt
One of the ways in which it is awful is that you cannot have a discussion like this. When public search worked properly you could follow conversations there but that part of the Twitter experience is broken for me and many others; which leads me to a second way it is awful - the apparent unresponsiveness of Twitter in addressing the search problem, but I am going to comment on that in tollie williams' Twitter search question.
- Phil Harrison
What about ways in which it is not crappy. For me It has been an excellent introduction to new people (globally) and mediums (such as friendfeed). I have made new friends and acquaintances that I enjoy communicating with and yes a few of them are famous people who really do try to communicate and they have my admiration for that. Now that I have been introduced to friendfeed, however, Twitters' flaws are more and more apparent.
- Phil Harrison
discussion on Twitter is strongly constricted by the (in)famous 140 char limits. I tends to look with interest to new experiments like Qaiku, where there is a true conversation model, where replies are not conditioned by length...
- Marco Castellani
i like twitter
- Bill Rawlinson
I like Twitter, but the Visigoths have definitely stormed the gates with spam posts, links to their own blogs, zero conversation, and WAY too many hashtags. In short, it isn't Twitter that sucks - it's we users who suck.
- Ciaoenrico
Don’t Let your Blog Become Like My Sock Drawer - http://www.problogger.net/archive...
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Pandora Raises $35M - http://gigaom.com/2009...
Actor, UN Ambassador Danny Glover & Jon Hammond Pt. 4 of 4 KYOU Radio - http://www.lockergnome.com/hammond...
UN Ambassador Danny Glover!?! WTF!?!
- Ciaoenrico
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A little slice of the Social Media Traffic Blueprint journey. What a ride. [a Flickr Photoset] - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Guilin Airport CZ3281 to Beijing and from there to Tianjen and the cruise ship. Sad to leave China. - http://brightkite.com/objects...
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Facebook: Almost 30% of All Users are Between 35 and 54 (The changing demographics of Facebook via @hrlawyer) http://www.strategichrlawyer.com/weblog...
I +love+ JS-Kit's "Echo" and it is what will get me back to my blog. For @arrington it brings real time to @techcrunch (if he wants).
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is this the thing you teased about the other day
- Mark
Yeah is it Robert? :)
- Chris Saad
jk mate - thanks for the support!
- Chris Saad
Setting up Discus was more complicated than it should have been on my site.. but they were VERY reachable thru twitter, and helped out quickly... however I'm still not 100% convinced they are the winning service moving forwards. JS-Kit looks excellent, Discus seemed to me to have a larger community.
- Justin "JDOG" Marks
Congratulations Chris! Long time, no see. Happy to see these things things by JS-Kit!
- directeur
I prefer Scoble in America, he is more active ;)
- Mark
#ColdPavement and @chrispirillo Open Mic Night next Wed! @Whrrl will buy 1st 30 ppl drinks! http://ping.fm/bv04Q
Did Microsoft woo Asus? http://www.lockergnome.com/linux... [Where' there's a woo, there's usually a hoo.]
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@thegoldeneagle didn't feel a thing. China is a big country and without Twitter earthquakes don't spread as far.
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@debworks I remember as we use to be glued to our TV's watching all the Apollo missions.
@johnhaydon Which twitter desktop client you using now?
Checking out Seesmic web. Loic showed it to me a few months ago but wow has it advanced! http://seesmic.com/web...
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RT @dianelevin: Lawyer files motion to compel rival in court to wear nicer shoes - http://www.boingboing.net/2009... (via @LexMonitor)
RT @mypractice: New Minnesota LPRB Proposed Opinion on duty to report lawyer's own malpractice to his or her client. http://www.practicelaw.org/blog...
RT @dianelevin: Lawyer files motion to compel rival in court to wear nicer shoes - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
@macspeech You guys really need to check out http://milofest09.eventbrite.com/ and how you could get involved
OUR GM May Be Gearing For Total Failure - http://www.lockergnome.com/blade...
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