"Drew, you're an inspiration to us all. I love what you've done for the fight against cancer, I love your perseverance, your courage and your blame everything on your cancer attitude. I know you are a guy who takes the cards that are played and finds a way to win every hand. Thanks for everything you've done and for everything I know you will continue to do."
- Schneider Mike
"Tango Mango is right there on the cusp of being (yet another) excellent offering the Boston-area, fast-food burrito universe. The Waltham location has solved for a few of the problems that some of…"
- Schneider Mike
Was talking with someone about marketing there product in NC tonight. They said they're focusing on "bigger" markets. We have a market in NC! Trust me. There lost.
Friendfeed is no longer .. all that's left is the flick of the switch.
- John Blanton
It's nice for the FF peeps. They'll see what it's like to deliver new features for a decent size user base.
- mrshl
Mike: I wouldn't worry about FriendFeed. I see it as Facebook's R&D department now. We're the test bunnies for what 300 million people will get! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Now Friendfeed will be able to go head to head with Google wave! So long as the team are allowed to lead from within Facebook how can this possibly be bad?
- Ade Lack
Nice comments. Also looking forward to realtime search and 300M+ users ... watch that in realtime! My screen will melt I guess.
- Peter van Teeseling
I'm only really sad because it completely breaks my on-line life. I'm excited for the FF team and for FB but that's only one aspect and I don't see how it can be merged.
- James Myatt
Mark: can you verify that this is a real account somehow? Tell us something about what we did in Davos together that I didn't share.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the user name for Zuck misspells his name, just like he misspelled yours.
- Louis Gray
Mark, if that is really you. Please don't let people on FB find users on FF. Some of us are looking for the anti-social web. Private groups and no friend requests from long lost classmates was a big plus over here.
- Chip Ramsey
Robert: from what I can tell most FF users do not share your enthusiasm or optimism. From what I can see FriendFeed team members will be absorbed into Facebook R&D, FriendFeed as a property will whither and most will cash out as soon as they can. Do you have some other information that you can share that supports your optimism?
- Brian Sullivan
Robert: Do you have *any* reason at all to believe that friendfeed will survive as a distinct entity?
- Christopher A Carr
How does everyone know what's going to happen? I prefer Rob's tone of "what should happen" - fear vs possibility
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Really interesting perspective you provide here. I was thinking this whole time that this would hit Twitter hard, but I see now that Google might be the real target, because of the whole real-time search. Nonetheless, I love all the Google employees that are hoping facebook becomes more "open" in the process. Something tells me facebook doesn't care about being open, but being a...
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- Rahul Krishnakumar
Rahul: That's not encouraging. I don't see how you get that from that article.
- Christopher A Carr
Wait I owe Scoble an apology. I read several places that he had a financial interest in Friend Feed. That information , if true,clouded my perception of his commentary of FF. If you believed that true, he comes across as a shill trying to protect his investment IMHO. In his blog post he denounces any financial connection. Now I feel stupid because good practices dictate that he would have disclosed such in his writings. I suck sorry Robert.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Hmmm - I keep my FB social, private, and mainly family. I keep FF public and work-oriented only. Will I need two accounts? Or just delicate messing about with privacy controls? I'm not looking forward to shifting - may FF last a long while still. FB is too busy, and FF is lightweight and gives me exactly what I want, with a much cleaner interface. Thanks very much Robert, your blog post is much appreciated!
- Allyson Lister
cheapsuits: Robert has said 1,000 + times that he has no financial interest in ff.
- Christopher A Carr
Robert, how can you say you don't get how FF users are sad and up in arms? FB's attitudes and culture are different enough for this to be a serious shock. In short, lots of people think FF=good, FB=bad, for better or worse. Your own list of cons is enough to get FF users up in arms.
- Don Faulkner
Christopher I see it now. Easy to see what he said when it isn't filtered by FF haters. What more can I say then I suck? I surely am not going to kill myself over it.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Thrilled for Paul, but amused that FB's first big land grab is another biz that isn't monetized properly either! Arrogance or Ignorance?
- Jan Simmonds
Jan, FF has some great technology and some great people. It's not about the service itself.
- James Myatt
Here's why people are up in arms: I think it's in the company's best interests to keep the properties existing separately ... especially since like you said, it's a geekier community on FF. Why not integrate the cool *features* FF has within Facebook but keep friendfeed.com as-is?
- Tamar Weinberg
I agree this is more of a play against Google. I think eventually Twitter and Facebook will team up more to provide real time streams of user updates between the two systems. I wonder if the first step is using FF for the collection of these streams and the next step is acquiring the method of pushing these streams or content.
- CodeSamurai
I like the separate sites and maybe they will allow both options, Facebook is too busy for me and Friend Feed cuts to the chase and I hope we don't see "FaceFeed" with everything combined without options.
- MedicalQuack
They got some talented people at FriendFeed.
- Kenneth Yeh
Someone stole my logo a few weeks back while my car sat at the San Francisco airport. The replacement cost $52 which I happily paid. Why? My car felt naked without it and I love my 2010 Prius. And THAT is advertising Toyota can't buy.
- Robert Scoble
Ghah! I have a Gen3 that I love as well -- and I plan on parking it at an airport tomorrow -- and the thought that people are stealing these badges makes me sad (and scared for my poor Gen3).
- Paul Wilcox
I think you did it because it look geeky cool!
- Bogdan Costea
Would have been cool to put your Hulk Picture on a logo on the car in an oval shape- green and all...:-)
- Lyn Graft
My stereo can beat up your stereo. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Which is more impressive: You paid $52 for a new logo, or someone placed enough value in your logo to rip it from your car? Also: Did you know that the new Prius logos are blue inside because in Japan blue is the color associated with energy conservation (as opposed to green here). Apparently there was a lot of debate within Toyota about whether the logo should be blue in the US, and some owners are unhappy with the blue logo, especially when it's on a car whose color clashes with it.
- Kevin Fox
Don't we all do that any time we pay for something with a logo?
- David
Your logo was stolen? Is it 1987? Are we putting those on chains again?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That is a nice looking logo, not something I would want -that- badly though..
- Greg Clute
from iPhone
Brett: yeah, but my stereo gets 45 mpg. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Asgod: I figure some kid is collecting car logos for his bedroom wall.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, just turned 100,000 on my second gen Prius. If they made computers like they make the Priuses we'd be golden. One minor software glitch in 100,000 miles.
- Steve Poppe
That is one of the most unique round about marketing stories I've ever heard! No pun intended! hahahha
- Tanya Noel
When my Saab logo rubbed off, I felt the same way.
- Schneider Mike
It would cost more than 52 dollars to understand the meaning of this loss with a collegue, so... that's a good deal !
- Yann Leroux
Scoble - didn't you learn ANYTHING when you told people you hated it when someone grabbed your name on a social media site? Result: It became a geek meme to grab your name. Now you've made it a badge of geek honor to have the Scoble Prius badge!
- Brett Schulte
Let's re-use and recycle instead of buying new, you know? I have a mint-condition logo for a 2010 Prius that I recently, uh, found. I do feel your pain at the loss of your "badge", so I am offering you (or any in the "Silico-ti" bubble) -- for only $35 -- the chance of feel less naked than you've felt in a long while, I promise. Details here-- http://tr.im/vktz .
- Adrian
Robert, if it's ever stolen again, don't glue the replacement on _too_ well. You don't want the thieves to scratch your paint stealing the replacement. $35-$52 is a heck of a lot cheaper than fixing your paint. I had a lot of body work done on my various cars recently, and it's so expensive It almost makes me cry.
- Adrian Otto
"@jakrose, it's more about who says what about whom. This all started when I called Chris a "thought leader". Of course it would sound bad if Chris was "Tarzan"ning around, beating his chest and calling himself a thought leader, but it sounds awesome when I say it [or if you or someone else in the space were to say similar]."
- Schneider Mike
"In general, I do not think a "thought leader" needs to be a practitioner. That is my stance and I stick to that stance. Does it improve credibility? Yes. I agree with you, but I don't think that the person needs to be the one specifically to prove a good theory? No."
- Schneider Mike
"To be clear, my stance is that @chrisbrogan is both a thought leader and practitioner. My point was that if everyone thought like Adam, we would not do anything new. Ideas, philosophy- these are forays into uncharted waters or new ways of thinking about standard practices. That stance- it's safe. It eliminates the element of risk that can lead to great reward and even to competitive advantage. Professors, philosophers, leaders, analysts often deal in theory and hypothesize. There is value there and, when their ideas are well thought out with logical conclusions, why do they need to be the ones to prove them? Why can't the crowd prove the theory? My comments, as Adam has stated, are out of context and were designed to spark debate more than to defend someone who does not need to be defended (see defense below *sigh*). Afterall, I am an analytics guy and am almost always asked for data to backup my thoughts. For the record, I am also a skeptic. I am an empirical learner. (I guess) the..."
- Schneider Mike
Wow--never thought I'd wish for a "Don't Like" button or link, Robert!
- Kathy Fitch
Robert's comments are very important particularly for political & development work.
- Justin Long
Also important for business marketing.
- Justin Long
U made me upset in first look then I realized what u mean and I found Im not not one of those. Hope you are not angry sir and wont fire me..
- Abhijeet Singh
to comment or not to comment.... that is the question...
- Kim
Are trending topics on friendfeed called "friending topics"?
- Larry Roth
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) What was the question again?
- don manu
Robert, I'm up to the CHALLENGE of not being "useless." Actually, my business communication students at SFSU just heard my initial remarks which included THREE RULES FOR SUCCESS in BUSINESS [and everything else!] The rules: LISTEN CAREFULLY, READ CAREFULLY and FOLLOW ALL DIRECTIONS!
- Shari Weiss
Apathy is the big killer of networks.
- Justin Long
I'm here. That makes me not useless, I guess?
- Celia
Robert Wilkins: it is my test to see how many spammers, bots, or jerks are following me.
- Robert Scoble
I get alot of spam about sites who gives you followers, whats the point of the followers have no interresting to give to you? And whats most crap is that they have enabled auto-follow back.. grrr :P don't sign up on those sites people.!
- Qbat
I like the constantly refreshed list but it doesn't half distract me from my own comment!
- Joshua Davidson
All you have to do is insult people and then they come :-)
- George Deane
Notice how many of us follow when we are told we are not following.
- Sandy McMerty
So, you're saying that people who don't use FF are spammers, bots or jerks ?
- Djordje Lukic
So when you figure out how many there are, How are you going to auto filter them out?
- Robert Wilkins
I read, I clicked, I arrived. I guess that means I'm not useless.
- Mike
This comment intentionally left useless.
- phil baumann
Seriously though let's not take the term 'followers' too literally. Just because I read a column doesn't mean I share the authors views. Just because you say lets discuss this on friendfeed doesn't mean I log onto FF and.......ah. OK....What is thy bidding?!
- Joshua Davidson
You suck, man. I refuse to be a minion. Oh, wait... shit...
- Joey Gibson
Well, those who don't do what you tell them are actually more useful. No for you directly, but for the society. They mix your directions with their own to create new ones.
- Kirill Petrovsky
"Follower" is a weird term. "Watcher" may be better. Follower implies action and engagement, and anybody who's used social media for more than 20 minutes knows that just isn't true.
- Jared Smith
Have I responded quick enough not to deemed useless. I feel a little baaaaa now.
- Crispin Heath
inscribo ergo sum (I write therefore I am)
- Jeff Newfeld
Nothing, just seem deficult to follow more threads. But that is probably not needed because the whole conversation is in once place. No need to multitask.
- Daniel Graversen
is it just me or is the most used "plugin" on FriendFeed twitter?
- Qbat
Actually, I find FriendFeed useless. I was reading an article about Twitter being useless, but the news get faster there. We'll have to say thanks to TwitScoop for that.
- Dragos Pirvu
I never use FriendFeed. it just agregates all my other feeds into one feed. thats all :D
- Zafarali
Dragos: wait until you compare search here to Twitter before calling it useless. Among other features.
- Robert Scoble
No bot me, no. Count me out for that one.
- Ton Zijp
dragos: all the news on Twitter is on FF, plus FF has better conversation - what do you think is missing?
- Chris Rogers
FriendFeed enables comments on your tweets.!
- Qbat
Robert Scoble: I think the proliferation of tools for Twitter let you slice and dice the data the way you want it and that is helpful to many. I do like the Web interface for FriendFeed, but imagine the possibilities that some cool tools could bring. No?
- Larry Roth
So then we need someone in your vast network to write us a little app that will map the Twitter users who comment on FF and then block all the rest! Or at least create a "Real" Group in TweetDeck for me.
- Marshall Huwe
You don't want followers, Robert—you want minions. I've got a few myself, and they're great.
- Glen Campbell, esq.
Is this the way to San Jose? err ... I mean Friend Feed?
- Tom Horn
Twitter should have a option that people who want's to follow you must write a small text for WHY you should let them follow you or the other way around
- Qbat
Did you know that more than 90% of all statistics are made up? ;)
- Tim Young
I'm getting tired of having to block the spam followers everyday.
- Ron Hudson
Working on both FF and twitter - but FF is easier to follow comment threads
- kathysd
What is interesting is I am already following most of the people who commented here which proves my point.
- Robert Scoble
I was carefully looking at this list the other day http://spinn3r.com/rank... - turns out many people on it barely/if at all - use friendfeed.
- Nir Ben Yona
Can you guys slow down - I can't keep up :(
- Al Fuller
I think Twitter and FF provide different things and there is space on the internet for both :)
- Tom Griffin
I've had friendfeed for quite a while, but I've not used it much, how do I expand this chat?
- Ron Hudson
Followers can not be useless. At least you can be proud of the sheer scale. And I believe, you don't want to have a conversation with thousands people at once. That would be truly useless.
- Grigori Milov
I am here with you - I think it is that only half want to have a say.
- Robert Freeze
On Twitter I talk strangers V on Friendfeed I am among friends
- Asgeir
I'd like twitter to have a "report spam" button, this would avoid quite a lot of hassle...
- don manu
Ron: just click on comments link under the topic
- Qbat
ya like that! thanks. How do I do that?
- Ron Hudson
Why is it important that followers comment & discuss U2, @Scobleizer? BC U R green?
- Petter Griph
Amit: bots don't follow directions from people who are not their owners. No bots here.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed should get a comment button under all the comments
- Qbat
So, 47% will choose to do their own thing and not comment on here. Wait - what? Doh! And 65% won't read the comments that have already been made because there are already 'too many' :-D
- Andy Bold
Qbat: click on the time under the post and open it in a new window
- Robert Freeze
Andy: I'm in the 35% that read the comments. Didn't want my lame joke to be a REPEATED lame joke. :D
- Tim Young
Robert: unless perhaps the bot has directions to comment on every Scoble post?
- Brian Sullivan
This reminds me of that "following directions" test from grade school. 1. Read all instructions before beginning. (2 -> N-1). Lots of crazy instructions which we all did. N. Don't do any of the previous instructions. Turn the page over, write your name, and wait.
- Don Faulkner
Robert Freeze, that never worked for me
- Amit Morson
Go watch Perez Hilton's video about being beaten up last night and going on techcrunch
- Mark
Robert Freeze that worked. that should be labeled a bit better
- Ron Hudson
Andy: I didn't tell you to read all the comments! :-)
- Robert Scoble
If I reply here that I think it's less than 53% I may actually prove myself wrong. So be it.
- Arnd Jan Gulmans
Should be a rewind and play button so you can play back all the comments.. like google wave
- Qbat
Lots of users are already on the service but, under utilize it. Really still don't understand how powerful the service is or how to use the filtering system.
- Eric Logan
And how many minutes/comments-in does the Scobalizer stop reading the comments? Opps, I just see that we are not supposed to "read" to comments...only discuss them.
- Stephen Price
Thats cause they were busy seeing what I am doing!! LOL, your not the only person bossing people around.
- T.S. Elliott
How big is the percentage of your followers that doesn't follow you?
- Arnd Jan Gulmans
Click here for 101 ways to get rich ... Woooops, sorry wrong percentage group.
- Chris Spencer
The reason I don't use friendfeed very much is because there is no SocialScope support on my blackberry. As soon as I can get a sweet blackberry app I'll be here more.
- Ron Hudson
Tim: I'm a 65%er :) Though I am now in the 13.9% that skim comments to see what's going on. And also in the 29.4% of people managing to find replies to their comments in the Scobleflow. Definitely in the 100% of people wanting a Comment link at the end of each conversation since I moved back to Safari. Oh, and also in the 100% of people who take conversations off topic while making up statistics.
- Andy Bold
Tom Griffin, I saw that, and it's "usable" but it's nowhere near the elegance and simplicity of say UberTwitter,SocialScope, or TweetGenious. I use SocialScope. It is an absolute Killer app.
- Ron Hudson
Do I get partial credit for skimming the comments? No? Sorry, master.
- malackey
Cool, so, I'm in the 47%, 35%, 29.4%, 100% and 100% ranges! I'm all over the place. Thanks Scoble and Andy for helping me learn something new about myself.
- Tim Young
I see the "224 more comments" bit on FF and know I don't need to add another comment. Erm...
- Ian Betteridge
To follow or not to follow, or to passive follow versus have an active conversation?
- Peter Simoons
More stats: 41% will miss Robert's reply to them in the reply flood, 26% will see it and not answer, 22% will have ADD (the tech curse) and already be doing something else, and 1% will see the reply and see it as an excuse to make up some more statistics. (And reply that I definitely have not read all the comments ;-) )
- Andy Bold
It's all about the user experience though - it's easier to comment to someone's question on Twitter by quickly clicking @ than click a link through to FF, faff about sizing the screen on the screen to wait for the comments to load, read them and then post, so yeah, I can see why many respond on Twitter than FF. I'm doing that more myself as currently very busy with work projects. This...
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- Sally Church
And, somewhere in the horde, somebody will belatedly realise that he somehow manages to fall into Robert Scoble's "useful" list. Darn it - will need to post more signal and less noise now! ;)
- Andy Bold
I refuse to fall prey to this ruse, Robert. Oh...wait... ;)
- Robert J Taylor
I added you to my Live acct weeks ago. No reply.
- Bret
I'm too sleepy to read all this right now.
- Daniel Zarick
nice one :) you should do an NHST on that hahaha
- The Pageman
They should change that from "followers" to something like "watchers" or "subscribers". As in "I have a subscription to the Scoble lifestream."
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
So is this a casual social experiment to determine rough percentages of active/rabid users who like to engage/participate with those they follow?
- Eden Hensley
I completely agree! Unfortunately I might be considered part of that 53%! The only reason I am responding is because someone else I follow re-tweeted it. I personally have over 5000 followers but only regularly interact with 50 or so. Isn't Social Media about conversation and being engaging? Hmmm......
- Robert Dominguez
Robert: Very interesting experiment, one should use there own judgment over there (twitter) regarding bots and spammers.
- Eran Even-Kesef
Andy Bold, I played with iPhone page too, but it's just a pain to have to open the browser. The blackberry environment is all about easy simple communication. If I have to jump through hoops it breaks down. Not to mention a friend feed experience without push is not a friendfeed experience.\
- Ron Hudson
99% of your followers will not read the 250 comments proceeding this one, and I am one of those 99%
- Steve C
That'll teach me for ignoring Twitter for a few minutes a couple of hours ago! Late as usual.
- Graham Stewart
Hey, much better here! Twitter sux.... after getting locked out of @freddavis for months with NO reply from Twitter, even after you tweeted @ev and @biz (thanks!)... so I my new Twitter name is @fucktwtr ... but much better to use FriendFeed!
- Fred Davis
I almost thought that you have a big ego. :)
- Shuuro
followers are for cults. twitter should change to readers/reading, because at the end of the day this is all about reading
- Jim Posner
Adding my opinion to the rollcall, though I've just realized that i actually have no opinion on this.
- Chris Foley
Yes to much noice. Maybe a way to mark comments as good could be a way to filter the comments.
- Daniel Graversen
Adam, I think that's a limitation with the threaded discussion model of FriendFeed - it becomes very, very difficult to follow a conversation once it goes beyond a hundred or so comments. Of course, Scoble will come up with a search filter which makes it easy in about three comments from now, just to prove I'm wrong... :)
- Ian Betteridge
I didn't realize followers were supposed to do what their followees said. Does that mean I have to open those links to help me make money on twitter? I was just using it for communication. Silly me.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: communication takes someone on the other side listening and talking back.
- Robert Scoble
Useless to YOU, perhaps. I'll bet they are getting value from the info you rpovide. Social media doesn't have to be about communication, it can be about "transmitting information" or some other morer restrcitive definition of what goes on. Some people just like to listen!
- Jim Tierney
Agreed! There are those like me who sit in shadows, read and do not comment... oh wait, crap!
- Danny F Santos
Talking back is definitely good, but I'm still not clicking on those links telling me I can make money on twitter. I do talk back to people (as evidenced here). :-) So you have a lot of followers who don't. Do they even tweet? Can anyone explain why people join twitter and don't tweet?
- RobinDotNet
Jim: I'm not a broadcast, though. Are people who just consume really useful?
- Robert Scoble
And BTW, if you don't realize the value your personal brand gets from having those 48,000 followers whether they reply back or not, you're missing something!
- Jim Tierney
Robin: people are used to consuming info and not talking back. I understand that. Jim: there is some value in having lots of consumers, yes. I just aspire to more.
- Robert Scoble
lucky you that non all of them have an active role in your FF... how can you think of have an interaction wth so many people?
- Paolo Galli
from IM
I think you math is waaaaaaaay off. Looks like somewhere around 0.3125%(300/96,000 - rounding up) of your followers are useful, meaning you should edit your comment to say 99.7% of your followers. Really makes me wonder the true value of twitter if one of the top uses gets this percentage of useful following. The other possibility is that as followers increase, the percentage of attentive/usefull/whatever-you-want-to-call-it decreases.
- Robert D. Fraser
Paolo: I've had interactions with tens of thousands of people here on friendfeed, just not all at the same time. Robert: you're right. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Do you think those non-tweeting-twitterers sit at their desk and read all the tweets coming across? Or are they looking for something specific.
- RobinDotNet
Scoble: You are asking questions and experimenting with stuff that I find interesting. Just reading through this thread provides some interesting insights into users' perspectives on Twitter.
- Matthew Schrock
Is that southeastweb thing from a bot or some kind?
- RobinDotNet
Robin: I think it's a spammer. But at least it's a spammer that follows directions. That said I think I'm going to block it.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble you really can do it? I'm very impressed :) I'm jocking... I think many users on the web just read information but doesn't partecipate... it's to difficult ;)
- Paolo Galli
from IM
I like threads like this. As well as pointing out who it may be useful for me to subscribe, that I haven't already, you get the occasional comment that allows you to increase your "People blocked" count by 100%...
- Andy Bold
from email
Although at this point I would welcome someone giving me instructions as to the next steps in life - far too many options. Maybe I should crowdsource it, but I am certain not to like the results
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Robert: To be honest, I think sometimes folks are intimidated by the breadth of knowledge that you and others on FF seem to have and your ability to engage in discussions. They may feel that they need to say something 'brilliant' or not say anything. I will admit that that I fell into that category up until recently. To your (and others') credit, once I took the plunge I found that this wasn't the case. You guys still know WAY more than I do, but that's one of the reasons I'm here - to learn!
- Alex Hellstrom
@scobleizer you crack me up sometimes! There, see this post went to you in both places... But I don't really feel like discussing it... ;-P
- Walt Ruppar
LOL! Great job of being satirical! You have a lot of great followers. :)
- James Stratford
Just sayin I could follow directions and discuss here if I wanted, but not interested in this discussion. However it did make me laugh that you called 53% of your followers out on not being able to follow directions.
- Walt Ruppar
Alex, uhm like totally and stuff ... and uhm. Ya know. Cool.
- Jason Nunnelley
BTW: where'd you see my reply come in from first? FF or as a mention over on twiiter?
- Walt Ruppar
Twitter to me seems a big mess of information, I can't keep up with it! FF sorts the mess out nicely and without the spam. I much prefer FF.
- Matthew Davis
Jim: you're right of course. I was just trying to be an egotistical bbbaaaahhhhssssttttaaaarrrrrdddd to get a conversation going. Jason: what did I drop? I didn't do it on purpose.
- Robert Scoble
Damn it Robert, you got me to make an account here three days ago, what more can I do for you? ;-P
- Shane Trammell
This is an easy way to get rid of bots. They don't have anything intelligent to share (like me)!
- Carlton Prest
WTG sheeple for getting conned into commenting here... wait. um.
- Scott Breakall
Robert, what if people want to reply and be engaging but don't feel like they have anything of value to say / to add to the discussion?
- Wang Yip
Scott: Perhaps, but at least I un-liked it...
- Walt Ruppar
Robert - what is the point of this? I took carrot...
- Liza
Robert, I just put the lime in the coconut. Now what?
- Sue Radd
Robert-Great discussion at 140, BTW. On another topic just watched the Perez Hilton video and trying to get my head around that rant..if you haven't seen it you should watch both sides of the feud with will.i.am. Interesting use of twitter and video to address insult/outrage.
- Jim Posner
I follow Mr. Scoble, but I feel no particular obligation to be useful to him for anything.
- Pat Rice
from twhirl
Twitter rocks, but I'm starting to see more value in FriendFeed
- Adam
I just drove from Pierre SD to Fort Totten ND, so I'm a little bit groggy. What exactly was I supposed to do to pass Robert Scoble's version of a Turing Test? Also, is it really important that people think I'm not a bot? I bet there is still money in AI.
- Matthew McCowan
Is that percentage of useless followers greater or less on Twitter. (I think I can predict your answer!)
- Curt Mercadante
"I would never want to belong to any club that would have someone like me for a member."
- jacek
This thread is taking me a long time to read when I haven't had coffee yet today.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
So, my understanding is.. one who doesn't give 'directions' to his followers is useless too. Mmhhh! yeah
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Robert - there's nothing egotistical about it! I'd also be remiss if I didn't add that I get plenty of thought-provoking value from you even when in "read-only" mode. Understandably my usefulness to you is nil in those cases. However (and I'm echoing at least one other commenter here: IRONY ALERT) I've found that by the time I comment in this type of thread, my exact thoughts have...
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- Jim Tierney
I just hope Scobleizer never directs me to do something self-destructive. I hate it when that happens.
- DGentry
I don't think lurker are useless :), I don't think number of followers have a great significance, Friendfeed is a Virtual Life Streaming, and in virtual life (as in real life) some people don't have a direction, they live (however i prefer LIVE with all capital letters, and have a direction!!!).
- CantorJF
So if we post here, are we teacher's pets? :)
- Daynah
Members of the "TV Generation" are just not used to follow directions... (they sit and consume with chips&beer and maybe do some shopping via telephone - these are a well trained habits and hard to change)...
- Arne Krueger
I thought I'd contribute further to this discussion... you're welcome.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
I'm jumping up for another cup of tea, be right back...
- Deborah E. Bifulco
There clearly comes a point of scale where FriendFeed fails to delivery clarity...nothing useful on the first screenful or last... does that mean that 47% of your followers are unable to provide significant value?
- David Race
Will there be and end of this direction? Do we want to close directions? I think somewhen even directions become useless
- Vedran Rudelj
delivering significant value to ff and/or the subscribers depends on the roi they get... some people are just not using it - as it is intendet to be used. so what!?
- Arne Krueger
If technology fails you, next time you are in Memphis lets get together for lunch. Great value remains in human contact.
- Jeff Milton
Commenting so I'm not included in the useless category... Also, I'd love to chat about this the next time you're around the FF office.
- Ross Miller
There are 3 kinds of people in the world: 1. Those that follow Robert Scoble because he doesn't act like he's too good to talk to us. 2. Those that follow Robert Scoble because he is known to follow everyone back, and therefore he is good for "inflating" their follower count. 3. Those who have no idea why they are following Robert Scoble.
- April Russo (app103)
4th type of person follows for great feeds that generate discussion on FF.
- Mike Nencetti
April, you forgot the fourth category: 4. Those who don't subscribe to Robert Scoble but find far too many of his posts liked and commented by their friends.
- Scott of Two Countries
But the only reason why Robert generates great discussions is because he is part of that discussion. He doesn't just drop & run, or only talk to people he thinks are "somebody", completely ignoring the rest of us. While he may have a big ego, it isn't so big that he thinks he's too good to have a real conversation with us.
- April Russo (app103)
Rob: I have almost 42,000 followers here and 96,000 followers on Twitter, which comes out to 43%. Glad someone caught me on my math! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I feel compelled to comment here... odd
- Jan Ole Peek
Mark: who is the puppet master and who is the puppet? I'm answering you now.
- Robert Scoble
Just following directions. Too many Mark's here though, I wish FF signed thing with our usernames.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
You can change your display name any time by clicking on your name in the top right corner.
- Mark
Robert: communication still occurs when unidirectional, surely the works of Socrates convey concepts to readers even today?
- Mike Chelen
Wow! It wasn't till I finished reading through almost all the comments that I got what Robert was trying to say :) FF good, Twitter bad. But I can't complain since it was Leo Laportes constant references to FF that got me to join and Roberts comments that got me to try and really understand what FF is all about. Initially FF was a little overwhelming and the only reason I've stuck it through so far is because of the higher quality of content for a (mostly) passive FFer.
- Anant Gairola
Writing that last comment took me 10 minutes! Really really wish there was a good FF iPhone application!!!
- Anant Gairola
Anant: the content here keeps getting better as more and more people join (which is quite a few every week lately, my numbers are going up much faster here than on Twitter, the tides are starting to move).
- Robert Scoble
FF is the only place I can dip into your content 'at will', Twitter is to noisy and makes me dig a lot further to see the flow of conversation and any associated references.
- Threepwood
I like to lurk most of the time. I usually don't have much to add by the time I am able to read the whole thread.
- Dan Douglass
from Nambu
Are you happy with how friendfeed is developing? What would you change, if you were in control? I love the daily digests, I prefer something filtering the best content from those I follow
- Ryan Singer
This is a wicked and interesting post on FriendFeed =)
- Qbat
by the way some of my twitter followers complain that, like you, I redirect them to friendfeed on every post there. Some say I have to choose between the two and they will follow me there, but not on both services.
- Kostantinos Koukopoulos
Kostantinos: it's an open question how best to interconnect FF and Twitter. remember that there are a wide range of options, including sending comments or posts, and sending posts automatically or manually. the feedback from readers is helpful if it can be used to find the right balance
- Mike Chelen
53% of your followers will leave you and then what? insult the other 47%. You can't just say it that way. You need to treat your followers with respect. Especially when you are your biggest fan. People will leave you in a heartbeat.
- Jack Scalfani
Be a nice little follower, and drink the damn kool-aid!
- James
Many more to come. By the way, the Navy wants to do another trip with social media people. My first recommendation to them? Thomas Hawk. He'd do a lot better than I did. Of course he'd have to drag along a 600 mm F4.0 lens (big ass lens) to get closer than I did. More photos coming in a few minutes (and some videos too).
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Andrew: I almost went into the Marines for six years as a photographer.
- Robert Scoble
Loic: you should go on the next trip. It's unbelieveable. It's like Davos but muliplied by 100x.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, it looks really impressive. What about the water? How do you protect it from harmful sea salt water?
- Susan Beebe
Loic: there's nothing like being 10 feet from an F-18 being catapulted off. Wait until you see the video.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: the water is 40 feed beneath the deck. I never even tasted salt. I see more salt in Half Moon Bay. What you have to worry about is hitting lenses when walking up the stairs and jet wash.
- Robert Scoble
On the trip was a former F-18 pilot too, so he helped a lot in our understanding.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - unfortunately you'll never get to see the F-14 at night, which was always something amazing. If possible, get close to an EA-6B on the Cat, it will rattle your teeth and you'll feel it in your gut (I worked on the flightdeck for 10 years as part of the COD crew).
- Vince DeGeorge
Stairwells are steep and narrow. My brother was a Navy Seal on that ship stationed in SD. Very cool rig! He was a medical rescue diver - jumped down out of helicopters to soldiers injured at sea and brought them back up for transport
- Susan Beebe
Vince: I think we saw one of those, but we saw so many planes land and take off that I lost track. I'm back in the hotel. It was one of those experiences that very few people get to have and it totally changed my life. More on how later. It was a great thing to do just after Memorial Day.
- Robert Scoble
Pavan: out of all the experiences I've had, this is the one that sticks in my mind as the most interesting. Both because it was extraordinarily cool, but also because it is a huge responsibility. I was the eyes and ears for a huge number of tax payers, and seeing how their (my) money is being spent is interesting and a large responsibility.
- Robert Scoble
I can tell you - working on the flight deck, the excitement was ALWAYS there... I never got used to it. Of course, it's not exactly somewhere you want to feel comfortable. For any who haven't seen it, go here: http://www.pbs.org/weta... and watch Carrier. It appears they have the full episodes. Memories... now I'm ready to go back in!!!
- Vince DeGeorge
Robert, also remember, that most of that responsibility falls on kids barely out of high school. The military builds character and trains you like no other corporation in the world. A modern day manager with a $3 mil budget? Ha, how about an 18 year old kid that is responsible for a $30 mil dollar aircraft and the lives of those inside?
- Vince DeGeorge
Yes I'm jealous. Why was I not invited??? LOL Awesome you got to Robert. Truly fantastic!
- Sheryl
Those are some stellar shots you got Robert.
- Jason Hansen
This was a PR event put on by the Navy I take it?
- David Lloyd
Show the world what a modern service it is now and how they are all up on blogging and stuff for recruitment? :p
- David Lloyd
Vince: the sailors I talked to didn't like the PBS special. They said they only put on disgruntled employees. Mark: yes, they fly VIPs, bloggers, journalists onto the carrier for these embarks so that they can get the word out about what the carrier is like. Pavan: thanks, I'm still uploading.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree - they didn't exactly put on the best sailors, but it did give VERY GOOD insight to what carrier life is like. You have to see through some of the drama (though, believe me - there IS that drama in the Navy). I don't know, I may have a different skew on things. I wasn't what was called "Boat Chuck" - I was aviation, which is a little different world - even further, I was CODs, making it even more so.
- Vince DeGeorge
The video will be up after dinner. I got more than 100 photos up to look at in the meantime.
- Robert Scoble
Robert awesome pix. what lenses did u bring? 70-200 IS, wide angle, 600 mm, can u give us a list of what u used? easier than going into "more properties" on Flickr for a ton of photos
- Elliott Ng
I had a 16-35 F2.8 L Series, a 70-200 F2.8 L Series, and a 600 mm F4.0 L Series. I also had a 50 F1.4 for the night stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome! Sign me up! Love it! Great photos!
- Thomas Hawk
Did they let you shoot anywhere you wanted or were some areas off limits?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: only two things were off limits: the nuclear power plant and the room where they were playing war games. Everything else was OK to shoot.
- Robert Scoble
very cool. What a fantastic opportunity to shoot. Loved the photos, faved a bunch of them.
- Thomas Hawk
Spymsaster is a good scapegoat. And here I am just trying to maybe clean up my network a little bit on a Friday night. This is what I get for being a nerd.
- Greg Verdino
Twitter Blog: Small Settings Update - http://blog.twitter.com/2009... - I hate this change with the hate of a thousand suns. I usually reserve the word hate for strong feelings. I feel pretty strong hate for this. Ev, Biz, Jack, Twitter - FTL - shame on your for caving to a few people who refused to learn how to use tools
Me, too. I'm actually surprised by how upset I am about this. Usually I take changes in stride, but this one is ridiculously stupid.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I think this is stupid, even though I used the option, which is no longer a choice. I understand the reasoning for seeing every tweet including replies to people I'm not following, as it allows you to find new followers. I turned it off for API purposes, but I feel that you should have the choice to turn it off as I did several months ago. No need to change it, F'ing stupid.
- Jimminy Fuller
I'm UPSET. I've never been mad at Twitter before. I just co-wrote the dang Twitter book, for pete sake! I've tolerated outages, down time, maintenance, avatar loss, weird bahavior, etc but THIS - may be the end if they don't reinstate it.
- Leslie Poston
So basically I need to run a search on my name to keep the same functionality? bleh
- Schneider Mike
Following people's half conversations on twitter has, no exaggeration, changed my life. My job, my current home, my summer vacation, my current relationship--I owe them all to that feature. Yes, it was badly documented, it was badly phrased (the fact that "following" is both a verb and a noun sure doesn't help). But taking it away basically means that I have no way of growing the list of people I follow other than #followfriday, and that's just stupid.
- Kee Hinckley
I agree, Kee - most of my current friends and connections, heck, even working with Laura on Twitter for Dummies and starting two new companies, was all from the "eavesdropping" @reply feature for people I DON'T follow. I hope they change it back.
- Leslie Poston
Ok, this decision by Twitter to make this change is stupid and senseless, now I'm mad
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
Mike - This won't have any effect on replies directed at you. It only effects tweets such as if you were following @me and I sent a tweet with @leslie, who you don't follow. You wouldn't be able to see this, even if you may have wanted to. Before, there was a choice of whether you see replies sent to anyone from people you follow, replies only between people you follow, or no replies at all. Now there is only a default option, which is replies only between people you follow.
- Jimminy Fuller
as I explain the reason this is bad over and over on Twitter I only get more and more mad. Twitter taking the line referencing confusion fro the lame-o original post doesn't make it better either. Put the feature back! It was always opt in! Why even take it away?? :(
- Leslie Poston
Still feel there's some clarification needed here Leslie. (By the way ... long time :) ... I'll ad your FF string to my blog post for others reactions. Hope is is good with you!
- Charlie Anzman
James Thanks for the clarification. That's really odd. So it sort of privatizes your tweeting with anyone that I don't know. Twitter is supposed to be wide open isn't it? This is bad for brands who are tweeting with large numbers of people. Their conversations are supposed to be (generally) for the benefit of anyone experiencing the brand and this might mean brands/people need to repeat themselves. Does the conversation still appear in searches?
- Schneider Mike
Done ! .... Be interesting to see this play out. As for me, I'm wondering why I'm blogging at 1 AM :)
- Charlie Anzman
I was just thinking about this.... I wish Friendfeed would allow me to update everything as easily and as intuitively as Twitter does... then I would ditch Twitter.
- Daniel Zarick
Instead I use Twitter to update everything on a regular basis and hardly ever interact on FF. My family watches my Twitter updates to keep up with everything I do when we can't always talk. I wish I was able to do that with Friendfeed...
- Daniel Zarick
Been on it a long time, but rarely visited it until today... Still have a lot to learn. Glad I have a smart guide [you] for this journey. Thanks Robert.
- David Damore
Sorry Santiago, Arrington won't see this. We are lowly to him. We are not worthy. We are not the elite. He doesn't mix with people here.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Well, to my knowledge Oprah's not. Maybe that's what he means.
- jcunwired
Daniel, set up a private room and invite your family, you can have a perpetual, live updating thread.
- jcunwired
What basis does JJ Arrington base this opinion? ;)
- Rick Bucich
I'm here, you're here. Wayne Sutton is here. Who else do they need?
- Schneider Mike
Not enough people? What the hell does it want to use it for, a news source, a social network, a log of his friends, the world census? If it doesn't meet his needs then it doesn't, but if he's trying to use it for something other than what it is...
- xero
Arrington needs a hobby. I recommend he try jumping off a pier.
- Steven Perez
I think I'm going to change my name to "no one" so he can be right for once ;-)
- Jesse Stay
I wish I could "like" comments haha. Jesse, that was cheesy, but good. :)
- Daniel Zarick
Hm. If Twitter is everyone, friendfeed is no one, then what's Facebook?
- Jason Nunnelley
"No one" is a variable number somewhere between 20k and 60k users in Arrington's vocabulary.
- rob friedman
On the Friendfeed login page, under the "Testimonials" tab, there is one by Arrington.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Not sure what he means, but the right people are on it :)
- anna sauce
Humm. I guess you can't see through rose colored glasses
- Keith Barrett
Some people base decisions on popularity and others on quality. Is Arrington in the former camp?
- Missionary Broadcasting
TechCrunch must have lost some subscribers eh?
- AJ Kohn
Everybody knows all the cool people are over on Myspace.
- jcunwired
Maybe she was following the people from the recommended followers list. Many of them are never even on friendfeed. It's time that ff add some new people to it. Like Mona, and Kol to name a few.
- Michael Fidler
Why does anyone care what that douche says?
- Uncle CW™
So I take it that FriendFeed will have one only when Britney Spears signs in...
- Nir Ben Yona
I prefer to be with a few interesting people than with many noisy & boring people :P
- Stanislas Jourdan
Awwww don't worry... He's just still pissed his Geocities account is going away. He worked haaard on the blinking text and animated GIF files...
- Johnny Worthington
Mike misses the FAILWHALE yep it's twitter only...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Arrington is pretty much detached of whats really going on.
- Amit Morson
Mike's street cred is slipping if he really believes FF is a ghost town.
- Bernie Goldbach
I think he is probably talking about relative scale. I really enjoy the way FF can be organized, but to be blatantly honest, its biggest fault might be "the new social toy" in a user fatigued marketplace.
- Patrick Boegel
"Challenge" might be the better word (doh! world) over "fault".
- Patrick Boegel
It does not benefit Mike for us to be here. Therefore, we are not here.
- Louis Gray
Go easy on him, Scobleizer. Not every A-lister is as prescient as you.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Most hard core bloggers and Arrington et. al care about one thing: traffic generation. Nuff said.
- coldbrew
Thanks for the mention, Michael. I've said before the suggested list could perhaps have some changes. Sure some of the most popular users are good choices, like Robert, but some aren't great examples of the service, i.e. users who pump RSS imports from their sites without any native FF activity to speak of. Mr Arrington being one of them. ;-) Kinda funny as one of his posts for his favourite services or most used services for 2009 included FriendFeed. That made me chuckle. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
One time in third grade a boy and a girl were fighting. Teacher said "why are you doing that?" Boy said "because I hate her." Teacher said "If you hate someone, you should ignore them."
- Derek Pangallo
from twhirl
FF is geographically (Bay Area) and niche (tech) focused. If you are an outsider to either of those, FF isn't that welcoming.
- Gary
Well I'm here. Also, this had better not get bigger than my last word thread.
- Mike Nayyar
i wish friendfeed had a facebook invite... i have like one personal friend on friendfeed... to me its more like strangerfeed.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
Yes Wesley, but my Facebook is full of my friends and to be honest, facebook is now 'just like friendfeed, except without all the valuable stuff'. Yeah i know what that says about my friends:) but FF accelerates my discovery of valuable stuff, and FB is full of the inane
- Paul Moss
+1 Gary. FriendFeed.com is still (and will probably stay) a service for geeks. Its traffic is still below the geek line (i.e. Techrunch visitors/month)
- Jeremy Chone
The fact that Arrington is even talking about friendfeed is great free press and likely pushes people to go check it out. Perhaps he's the "Yang" to Scoble's "Ying" in terms of the Scoble-effect?
- Chris Aldrich
By no one -- he means himself surely -- don't see him here.
- Brian Sullivan
Cool. If everyone and their grandma (and their favorite talk show hostess) was on FriendFeed, all the big boys and girls would be declaring it dead, now, like they're doing with Twitter.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Not sure why people still take Arrington seriously. But I have learned the hard way that critical mass is pretty much the only thing that matters for social networks...
- Thomas Wilsher
The problem isn't that there's noone on ff it's that noone knows anyone else on it.
- Damian Murphy
"Keith, Thanks for keeping the discussion from #sxsw#specwork09 alive on my blog. The designer and the agency have real skin in the game ability to focus on their projects. How can crowdsourced designers who have to throw shit at a ton of different walls in order to be able to find something that sticks expect to have the same level of understanding of a brand as the designers who are involved from the original strategy, who are living, eating, breathing, sleeping and eliminating it every day? Do I think I could write a "decent enough brief"? Yes. Could a planning team headed by someone like Catherine Kolodij or Justin Holloway write a better brief? INDEED! Part of the sweet spot of my company is the brief. We know the secret of boiling it down to a page. Can there be drill down from the brief? YES!"
- Schneider Mike
"Thanks for including http://www.belchingmonkey.com in your "new beginnings" daily drive. Thanks also for the idea to use me in the branding instead of a cartoon and most importantly for being a top notch friend."
- Schneider Mike