Cameron Neylon
Efficiency and incentives in research - How to bend the internet to scientists - Cameron Neylon, Jason Hoyt, Duncan Hull - hopefully with sounds this time. OPr search fo @nthmost scibarcamp - she seems mjch better set up than I am - Cameron Neylon
What do we do as scientists, why do we do it, should we be allowed and funded to do it? - Kubke
Cameron starts with a few introductory slides he also showed at a recent NESTA workshop on "Science in Society": - Martin Fenner
Cameron: What do we do as researchers? - Chris Patil
Science in society? for society? with society? - Chris Patil
Science in society, vs. science *for* society, science *with* society - Kubke
We want to do great things, but what are the risks if we all try to change the world at the same time? - Chris Patil
The money that goes towards science (including the naturally expected failure of it) could go into hospitals, secondary teacher salaries, etc. - Kubke
Do we want to put more money into scientific research? Or should we rather spend that money to build hospitals or pay teachers? - Martin Fenner
...and government expects a return on the investment. - Martin Fenner
Trying to watch the stream but sound is rather low and image pointing towards the ceiling. - Ricardo Vidal
How do you maximise efficiency in generating impact for your research? - Martin Fenner
Thanks!!! :) - Ricardo Vidal
Hi Ricardo. - Martin Fenner
Now over to Jason and Duncan... - Martin Fenner
We aim to please. - Chris Patil
Hi guys. Now this is power. Interfering with a presentation from across the Atlantic via FriendFeed. Carry on, Cameron. LOL - Ricardo Vidal
Jason Hoyt: Bending the Internet to Scientists or maximizing efficiency. - Martin Fenner
Most social networks for scientists are a failure. - Martin Fenner
The problem: research is inherently social, but the tools we are using are not. - Martin Fenner
If you build it, they will not come... build projects for communities that already exist (Sean Mooney from yesterday) - Kirsten Sanford
Many social tools need a critical mass, maybe that is not the right way to go. - Martin Fenner
Tools should work with a userbase of 1. - Martin Fenner
The internet needs to bend over for scientists. - Bosco Ho from iPhone
Seems like a good place to plug an article I wrote recently about the barriers that prevent scientists from adopting social tools: - Chris Patil
Jason talks about - Martin Fenner
interesting that the musician scientist is making comparisons between music and science... - Kirsten Sanford
Could papers as social objects work? - Martin Fenner
Jason needs to move from between cameron and the screen - Mr. Gunn
I hear a familiar point being made here - networking is an emergent property of good tools. - Mr. Gunn
Peter Binfield asks about the analogy between and Mendeley. - Martin Fenner
The Mendeley approach to articles could also apply to other "habits" of scientists. - Martin Fenner
There might be a million people with Micheal Jackson on, but how many scientist for an article in medeley? - Bosco Ho from iPhone
Bosco - can't hear audio(just questions, speaker OK), but did you mean articles/scientist? - Mr. Gunn
Now over to Duncan... - Martin Fenner
Shared annotated documents collection - will people use this feature? - Bosco Ho from iPhone
Duncan Hull: Digital Identity on the Web - Martin Fenner
annotation of documents will increase interaction and usability of information contained within papers. I totally see people using that feature... - Kirsten Sanford
I love the idea of having an embed code for a collection. I can share bib-lets. - Mr. Gunn
Duncan Hull - who am I, digitally speakin? - Bosco Ho from iPhone
All the social tools for sharing data on the web rely on some kind of digital identity. - Martin Fenner
Traditional way to gain identity as scientists: publish a journal article. - Martin Fenner
Julian Gough is digitally schizophrenic. - Bosco Ho from iPhone
scientist identity has changed. Much more complicated than traditional list of publications. Now includes, social alignments (research groups), work (research projects), friends (social web)... - Kirsten Sanford
Many papers by "forgotten password", "already registered", etc. in Google Scholar. - Martin Fenner
A popular user on google scholar: Mr F. Password. - Bosco Ho from iPhone
machines are too stupid to tell the difference between real authors and random words... is this something that could be solved by better AI? artificial learning algorithms> - Kirsten Sanford
Author disambugation in article is hard comp sci problem. - Bosco Ho from iPhone
this paper talks about "page rank for people" not nec. a new idea, but could be important for research reputation / attribution - Kirsten Sanford
MyExperiment allows OpenID, but only 16% of users use it. - Martin Fenner
OpenID is prohibitively complicated to start using... anti-intuitive... barrier to entry. - Kirsten Sanford
Openid seems to be pretty hard to use for most scientists. - Bosco Ho from iPhone
OpenID is probably not secure enough for some scientific applications. - Martin Fenner
Some universities are requiring ResearcherID for admin. - Bosco Ho from iPhone
Researcher identifiers would make life for journal publishers such as PLoS easier. - Martin Fenner
Will there be a tipping point from NIH or NSF or PLoS in the use of a unique identifier? - Bosco Ho from iPhone
What will change if we had the perfect researcher identifier? - Martin Fenner
Unique researcher ID would level the publication playing field between men and women. Women often struggle with name changes and loss of recognizability due to name changes at marriage. - Kirsten Sanford
Long discussion about potential benefits of researcher identifiers. - Martin Fenner
I do wonder about the pitfall of the identifier in non-democratic states... could make scientists easier government targets? - Kirsten Sanford
Thank you all for the comments. This plus Cameron's video stream was as is if I were there. - Ricardo Vidal
Awesome awesome awesome! - Bill Hooker
16% is actually pretty good for such a new technology. there are also some user interface designs which would help such as - Mike Chelen