The rest of this forward was swallowed. Blog post is at http://ways.org/en... (via http://ff.im/gogt1 ). - Daniel Mietchen

I will discuss these issues with OSI on Thursday morning, so if you have any ideas to share on the matter, please post them here or let me know otherwise. Thanks! - Daniel Mietchen

What Open Science most needs is case studies, so OSI could potentially have an immense impact (out of all proportion to cost) by funding some Open Science labs. It would be best not to issue a standard RFA, because every scientist will say "oh yes, I've always wanted to do that" if there's money to be had. Three years' modest support for Jean-Claude Bradley, Steve Koch, Cameron Neylon, Rosie Redfield, Heather Piwowar (postdoc not a lab, but principle the same) -- and I'm sure there are some Open labs I don't know -- could put Open Science firmly on the mainstream map. - Bill Hooker

Yes, Bill - this would fit with the "Open Science Institute" theme that I alluded to in the post. Thanks! - Daniel Mietchen

Ah, sorry, reinventing the wheel there eh? Skimmed the post, should have read carefully. Mea culpa. - Bill Hooker

No, not reinventing the wheel, just adding a fourth one to a car with three. Seriously, this would be a good complement to the more institutional (and somewhat centralized) approaches that I concentrated on. Keep 'em coming! - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel that was a very thoughtful assessment of what might be useful to promote OS. I think each one of us (involved in OS) will have a different perspective based on the specifics of our projects and the state of our field. For funding I think the model we used to award prizes (thanks to Submeta) for the ONS solubility challenge did work well and is not something easily funded by conventional sources. This could be expanded to cover UsefulChem objectives, such as the synthesis and testing of anti-malarial targets (among others). The current standard model of asking to fund specific objectives is unfortunately set up to strongly discourage OS - since PIs are wise to propose things they have already done but not disclosed. Then they look like geniuses when the projects meet or exceed the objectives. The funding of people whose general aims are in line with funding agencies would be much more compatible with OS, especially if the program managers participate in the discussion of the ongoing science - and if the use of hype is discouraged. I hope this is the kind of feedback you were asking for. - Jean-Claude Bradley

Gah, forgot Matthew Todd. I always forget Matthew Todd. What the hell is wrong with me? - Bill Hooker

I see - Matthew Todd

Thanks for the comment, Jean-Claude - I also think prizes are undervalued in science at the moment, though they really have potential to bring about advancements. - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel, your three recommendations look ok to me, thanks! -- CTT would opt to join in on "Closing gaps in the knowledge environments" (recommendation 3: "support collaborative open knowledge environments"). CTT (Cellular Therapy and Transplantation) is an OA Journal and Open Repository IN ONE (the journal shape is for the branding effort, and all content is available via the open repository anyway, which is of course to host OA green contributions, too, and is open to more collaborative initiatives, Open Data etc. included...), so CTT could come in as a specific case in which a Russian-German/Western cooperation in medicine is building an open knowledge environment for its own needs - in a highly competitive yet traditional environment (e.g. some Russian medical journals in the field still publish print only and CTT aims to open OA avenues here) - and we're looking for realtime solutions to overcome barriers of many many kinds - so: count on me :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

re overcoming barriers, see my views on this matter in part 4: "'Open Science' revisted: which kind of 'openness' and for whom?" of this mindmap http://www.mindmeister.com/de... - Claudia Koltzenburg

Links for Jean-Claude's ONS challenge: http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/2008... and http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/2009... (results). - Daniel Mietchen

Link for Claudia's CTT Journal/ Open Repository bridge-building challenge http://www.ctt-journal.com (the journal brand to start with) - Claudia Koltzenburg

should be great to hear about any other field of research where someone is (keen on) setting up a similar path with subject repository via a journal (or any other way to get to the open subject repository) - or has any other idea of how to close gaps/ overcome barriers in the knowledge environments - Claudia Koltzenburg

The notes are up at http://ways.org/en/node/17550 . Thanks to all of you who commented. Will be interesting to see how these things develop. - Daniel Mietchen

Related thread on funding some large vs. many small projects: http://ff.im/h1iVp - Daniel Mietchen