Definitely! - Mr. Gunn

We were mulling over a few ideas: (1) Like I mentioned in the title of this post: A combined video / screencast to explain what scientists are doing nowadays to make progress towards open science. Audience would be general public and scientists. Could use friendfeed as a starting point and then show things like open notebook science, etc... - Steve Koch

(2) Making a 5 minute video explaining the Open Notebook Science we're doing in Junior physics lab here. Target audience: other science instructors around the globe who'd be interested in using our experience to add open notebook science to their own courses. - Steve Koch

(3) (This what inspired our meeting, but then we thought up 1 and 2 above while talking) Making science videos explaining the research in our lab. Target audience: general public. - Steve Koch

(4) (This just occurred to me, we didn't talk about it): We could collaborate on making high-quality protocols videos. Something like in JoVE, but produced locally. I like all of these ideas and glad I met these students! - Steve Koch

Very cool, Steve. What can I do to help? - Mr. Gunn

Why don't you make a similar video explaining Open Science to scientists? I bet you will find a larger (or smaller) audience. - Paulo Nuin

I agree it would be larger or smaller :). @Mr. Gunn, thanks! I don't know what help -- the barrier now is to know what to do. Which of those #1-4 seem most worthwhile to you and most in need of digital media experts? #4 is the easiest for me to imagine, since I actually know what I'm trying to convey. #1 is the hardest, since I'm not sure how to coherently explain that. - Steve Koch

I am going to put a bit in my NSF CAREER budget for these projects. Talking with the students today, it seems like they could get academic credit for the project in the Media Arts programs, and also get access to the equipment. So, even there, I'm not sure what I'd need to budget for. - Steve Koch

And BTW: Both of these students took my Physics 102 "Conceptual Physics" course and did very well. So, this is cool validation for the whole teaching/research synergy idea. - Steve Koch

What is Open Science? - Paulo Nuin

I'll give this some thought, Steve. I've got my hands busy right now in terms of developing a presentation, but of course you're welcome to reuse any of my or Mary Canady's slides. - Mr. Gunn

@Paulo: what I mean by the term is the application of the free-as-in-speech principles of Free/Open Source Software to the entire enterprise of science. The Blue Obelisk folks refer to ODOSOS (http://blueobelisk.sourceforge.net/wiki... Open Data, Open Source, and Open Standards); to this I would add Open Access (publishing) and Open Licensing, to give the "five pillars" of Open Science. - Bill Hooker

Hmm. Open Data, Open Source, Open Access, and Open Standards are all forms of open licensing, aren't they? Or is there something specifically called Open Licensing that I'm not aware of? - Michael R. Bernstein

What I mean by Open Licensing is CC-style explicit permissions for re-use in copyright, and things like Science Commons' MTA or CAMBIA's BiOS licenses for stuff that's covered by patents. So yes, that's all part of Open Foo, but I think there's more to Foo than just the licensing and more to licensing than Data/Source/Access/Standards. - Bill Hooker

Ah. Open Content covers CC licenses, I'm not sure what to call MTA and CAMBIA BiOS. - Michael R. Bernstein

Other possibilities might be to include a citizen science project as an example of what can be done with greater collaboration -- such projects are good entryways into outreach since they seem to make science "closer" to a non- or emerging scientist. You could even go so far as to tailor portions of your own projects to younger audiences (K-12) -- and by doing so entice classrooms of students to participate. Kind of cool to see one's effort become part of a "real" science project! You could even have the media folk (with proper permission) record classrooms of kids doing stuff, thereby getting some meta-comment in while data is being produced. Also, here the libraries have sponsored great media + science art projects. Not sure if that's the kind of thing you were interested in :-), but as outreach, pretty pictures are often pretty successful. - Mickey Schafer

Sounds like a great idea and one I'm all in favour of. An idea, Steve. You might want to alert SciVee's Prof Phil Bourne http://www.scivee.tv/user/phil as I'm pretty sure he'd be [1] interested and [2] willing to lend a hand in hosting/promoting this type of project. - Graham Steel

Hey Mickey, Thanks for those ideas! Definitely interesting to me and will think about it. @Graham -- thanks for that link, I will definitely contact him when we have a clearer idea of what we're wanting to do. - Steve Koch

If you're looking for additional inspiration, try googling "digital ethnography" -- you should get to the Kansas State stuff (both their blog/web pages and youtube videos) -- you may or may not like the science-y part (anthropology -- the first video ever produced in the series was fairly annoying to me, though the subsequent ones are quite interesting), but they have some great teaching experiments using web re/sources that you might find useful. - Mickey Schafer

Second Mickey's recommendation. Very interesting stuff - e.g., a short presentation at: http://www.youtube.com/watch.... I really like the idea of doing something of similar impact for open science. The longer 55 minute Library of Congress talk from the same channel is well worth watching, IMO. - Michael Nielsen

That's spectacular! - Steve Koch

STeve - It'd be really nice to have something similar for open science. Some visual ideas I like are to make a movie of the version history on, e.g., OWW, or the Polymath wiki; visualizations of the evolving network of relationships from, e.g., GeneWiki... I'll bet things like diseases gradually being understood are actually visible in the network of links on Wikipedia. - Michael Nielsen

Steve - Jon Udell does an awesome Wikipedia movie at http://jonudell.net/umlaut.swf Things get really fun a couple of minutes in... - Michael Nielsen

Hey Michael, that too is very cool. And I really like your idea of adapting that for OWW or the other sites. I don't know if the students I talked with are good at that or not. Looking at the things you linked me made me realize that if I'm going to be heavily involved (say as "producer" with the $), then I think I'm missing some talents to lead those kinds of things. So, maybe I'm not one to lead a "what is open science" project but I'd be better at leading a production that demonstrated open science activities we're actually participating in? Hmm...still thinking - Steve Koch

Demonstration is a more effective way of explaining a concept than just explanation is anyway! Hmm. That could've been more elegantly expressed. In any case, Demo of what you are doing with some discussion of implications (pedagogical to philosophical) also sounds like a great project. - Mickey Schafer

Hi All -- Met again with Noel and Leslie (the Media Arts peeps), and we've planned to start making the video on November 23. We're planning on short video showing what we're doing in Junior Lab with Open Notebook Science. General plan can be seen here: http://docs.google.com/Doc... and a list of potential interview questions is being generated here: http://docs.google.com/Doc... - Steve Koch

Muchas excellentos - Graham Steel