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I just had a comment published in Nature! Is about the NSF valuing more than just Publications, and how altmetrics will help.http://www.nature.com/nature... (free for 1-2 weeks) Working on blog post about it...
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In the meantime, David Colquhoun has decided to make his distaste for altmetrics personal by discrediting the messanger. Since I have you guys to thank for increasing my awareness of classic derailing techniques, figured I'd point it out: https://twitter.com/david_c...
- Heather Piwowar
I've responded to him w facts about my credentials and an open offer to talk about the substance of his claims. It isn't the first time he's taken this approach. Yknow, if you don't like the ideas, talk about the ideas.
- Heather Piwowar
what a dick
- jambina
because wetlab experience is what matters? Doesn't he know that the only sciences are the hard ones?
- DJF
I read his tweet and your response and actually said "hoo!" out loud quietly to myself in my office. Well done.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Because whatever he considers real scientists are all really smart and correct all the time about altmetrics. Or not.
- Rachel Walden
Real scientists don't care about data. or something.
- DJF
Ah, but are you a managerialist or a quack? jambina +1
- John Dupuis
Classy response! Go you :)
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
I agree with Christina. It's clear he was completely unprepared to be called on his classless remarks.
- John Dupuis
Did you also respond to that blog post I forwarded to you? Let me see if I can find it. http://plested.wordpress.com/2013...
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
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Actually, I'd be interested in some pointers to a refutation of the blog post from Run Joe Run above - it does seem that many altmetrics capture the attention garnered by a some aspect of research. But how does one extract meaning from that?
- Rajarshi Guha
gosh :(
- Ross Mounce
You'd think someone against managerialsim ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) would actually *support* the broadening of research evaluation. I don't think he's read enough around the subject. Seems to be caught on the straw-man argument that it's just raw uncontextualised numbers of tweets and facebook likes.
- Ross Mounce
@Rajarshi you might be interested in my refutations against some of the misunderstandings about altmetrics here on this thread: http://occamstypewriter.org/boboh...
- Ross Mounce
Thanks Ross. The comment thread there is quite interesting - but the sense I get from is that while citation stats focus on scholarly usage, the altmetrics focus on social media citations (tweets etc) is more oriented towards public/popular usage of research. Certainly, it seems to be linked to how connectd you are. I'd guess there's some sort of 'rich get richer' effect at play in these metrics (?)
- Rajarshi Guha
"Rich get richer" is a recurrent problem, everywhere. It caused by human nature, sadly. Despite our "civilization", humans are still selfish bastards: "feed my own children first". Fortunately, many people do realize that doing that *can* also be beneficial for other children. Sadly, many don't (or don't care or worse). And then there is a class of people who mix up trust and science:...
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- Egon Willighagen
Now, back to #altmetrics... it *is* a really important question: what is impact. Too many people do not see that metrics are tools (estimates) of what we are really interested in. But since we do not have clear what we really are interested in (except food for the children), it is hard to rank metrics. Worse, people think they understand what those metrics estimate, and are often wrong....
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- Egon Willighagen
Additionally, we need good (open) diagrams showing how various impacts relate to each other... "without visibility, no impact" (whatever those mean). Each connection will be linked to literature about that link. For example, does higher accessibility lead to higher citation counts?
- Egon Willighagen
Finally (and then I'll try to do some "science" again, hahahaha!) we need better tools for measuring thing. For example, can we please finally start taking CiTO serious and start pushing that massively?
- Egon Willighagen
+1 for CiTO :)
- Ross Mounce
What is CiTO ??
- Graham Steel
After a brief twitter exchange, this guy is clearly an "everything worthwhile must be in traditional journal articles" fellow, with no apparent interest in either acknowledging his rudeness to Heather or in seeing anything of value outside of traditional publishing methods.
- Rachel Walden
@Graham: http://www.essepuntato.it/lode... CiTO, the Citation Typing Ontology, is an ontology for the characterization of citations, both factually and rhetorically. It forms part of SPAR, a suite of Semantic Publishing and Referencing Ontologies.
- Ross Mounce
It's not just some ideological 'great idea' vapourware either. Citeulike has had it implemented for ages http://jodischneider.com/blog... trouble is marking up the relationships is currently all manual. If anyone has some semi-automated approaches / workflows I'd love to hear about it
- Ross Mounce
Wow, Rachel masterfully shows how it is done, here https://twitter.com/rachel_... and in subsequent tweets. Thanks for calling him on it in public, Rachel. Whether I'm a scientist or not shouldn't matter (though he's got no leg to stand on to say I'm not), let's talk issues.
- Heather Piwowar
+1 for CiTO. I dunno the best way to push it though, no tool yet that makes it easy. I think it'd have to be a tool that automatically classifies them when you submit a paper, and then authors are tasked to fix wrong ones. or other ideas?
- Heather Piwowar
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University of Utah and Nature Publishing Group join forces to pilot a new publishing model http://figshare.com/blog...
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Why I chose figshare for my homeless manuscript | Erin C. McKiernan - http://emckiernan.wordpress.com/2012...
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Get a doi for your manuscript.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
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Would any science researcher types like to attend a two day STM information unconference in NYC, November 9-10 at Brooklyn College? We still have 5 slots open if anyone would like to sign up. http://stellagroup.wordpress.com/rsvp...
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From the front page of the site: "Would you like to meet other enthusiastic and engaged Science/Technology/Engineering/Math-focused librarians and information geeks — professional leaders, researchers, writers, innovators, and all-around awesome colleagues? If yes, then the STELLA Unconference may be for you."
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
it looks awesome, but no can do
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
RT @stemcellassays: Has somebody done this experiment already? Check out FigShare repository http://stemcellassays.com/2011... Guest post by Mark Hahnel @FigShare
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RT @LorenaABarba: I've added a new heading in my Publications list titled "Open research objects", with links to items on @figshare http://barbagroup.bu.edu/Barba_g...
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RT @kaythaney: Remember, true OA is far more than just "free access", folks. http://m.guardian.co.uk - http://m.guardian.co.uk/science... (cc @alokjha)
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Another new (to me) blog about Open Science. http://science20study.wordpress.com/ One of us! One of us!
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This is a very good overview of Open Science: http://www.istl.org/12-spri...
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This photo is a simple example of citizens understanding, learning, and gaining excitement from open access to scientific knowledge. EVERYONE: Please take 3 minutes to register for an account with whitehouse.gov, and then sign the petition asking for open access to ALL taxpayer-funded research!...
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Here is the link to sign the petition! https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...
- Steve Koch
I was just contacted for comment by someone from the @NYTimes !!! in shock. :)
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Just think. Here we'll all be saying we knew her when :)
- Hedgehog
ha. I'll be right here where I can Like it, no worries ;)
- Heather Piwowar
Just asked @plosone if we may make our anonymous reviews public. Waiting to hear what they say.
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uh, why would they care?
- RepoRat
To clarify: I want to post reviews I received. Do I have that right? Copyright not mine.
- Heather Piwowar
oh, yeah, that's an issue all right.
- RepoRat
Already a subject of discussion prior to your query!
- Matt Hodgkinson
Thanks, Matt !!
- Graham Steel
Matt, is there also discussion about adding a place where reviewers can optionally sign their name? And a checkbox where they can release their text under CC0 or something? So many non-threatening ways PLoS can help drive some change here.
- Heather Piwowar
heck, even just changing the wording of where you type in your review, to welcome signed reviews and declarations of CC0. That doesn't need any new software bells and whistles.
- Heather Piwowar
+1000 that idea from Heather: simply encourage signed, CC0 reviews by making it checkbox-easy to do.
- Bill Hooker
Heather (and Bill), in the past all PLoS ONE reviewers were clearly asked if they wished to sign their names or hide them, in a way that actually encouraged them to sign their reviews. Unfortunately, the new editorial platform we're using doesn't have this (in my opinion) very simple option [To the extent that I honestly feel that PLoS ONE in-house editors no longer care about it].
- Ramy Karam Aziz
As for your original question, I raised this on Twitter earlier as a general question. I was so bitter about some reviews that I wanted to publish them, but of course I knew that I did not have the right as they do not belong to me. Instead, I had to publish excerpts of the reviews without revealing the journal's name. I think it's a more complicated case because the journal editors...
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- Ramy Karam Aziz
I don't think they become irrelevant -- they become a clear indication of the reviewers' contribution to the paper. This is exactly the kind of credit that academics need to start tracking and taking seriously if they are going to rescue their moribund system.
- Bill Hooker
Ramy, PLoS ONE internal staff *do* care about open peer review, but it's not a trivial issue to solve (despite appearances)
- Matt Hodgkinson
Hi Matt, I didn't mean not caring about *open peer review*. Sorry if I was misunderstood. I was merely speaking about the very simple option of adding a checkbox "remove my name" or a simple statement "we encourage you to sign your name". I think it's not on their/your priority list to update the review submission form now because I and others have suggested this many times since the new editorial manager was adopted. Every time AEs suggest a simple addition to the editorial managers, PLoS ONE staff panic.
- Ramy Karam Aziz
I just reviewed a manuscript for PLoS ONE (as a reviewer not AE), and there was nothing in the invitation letter or in the boxes to fill encouraging me to sign my name. Yet, I did sign my name only because I know all the history behind that option.
- Ramy Karam Aziz
+1 Ramy, I did that too recently. The editor actually removed my name from what they sent to the readers because they assumed I'd added it by mistake (I learned when I enquired). Education to editors about valuing signed reviews seems useful too.
- Heather Piwowar
Matt could you give us any detail on why adding sentences that encourage signed and/or CC0 reviews isn't simple? It'll help us be empathetic and patient :)
- Heather Piwowar
Anyone got any good links on *how* to sign a review for reviewers who would like to do this? I've read this: http://se.ethz.ch/~meyer... but is there anything more general? I successfully made public my identity for a recent BMC review I did but I feel I probably did it in a somewhat clumsy manner. How *should* it be done?
- Ross Mounce
PS I agree with Heather, that there should be a tickbox provided to promote this choice (open, signed reviews).
- Ross Mounce
Ross, I don't know how it ought to be done. Since mine was removed accidentally, I now do it this way. At the bottom: "Heather Piwowar (I sign my reviews when not against editorial policy)" I'll start adding "CC0" to the end too.
- Heather Piwowar
I just put my name and email at the top of the review. I don't bother with disclaimers about editorial policy -- if they're gonna remove it they're gonna remove it. Also I figure if I don't draw attention to it, it's less likely to get the "what do we do with this -- delete it to be on the safe side" treatment.
- Bill Hooker
To Heather, the reason it is not simple is EditorialManager (tm) for which getting any changes made is incredibly slow and hideously expensive.. Unfortunately all of these pieces of legacy system cause a al drag on getting stuff done like this.
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, that is true even for just changing the text at the top of the "enter your review here" page to welcome signed/CC0 signatures?
- Heather Piwowar
Probably. Although that ought to be easier than a checkbox. But then it raises the question of how that info flows through the system. Although in this case I guess it doesn't matter so much as the use case only requires that the authors know.
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, I bet it's not that hard to change the text at the top. The tickbox is certainly harder. I still stand by my previous comment: It's a matter of priorities... The major challenge in PLoS ONE now is to keep up with the unprecedented submissions and find editors and reviewers, then deal with all the problems that this generates. There needs to be someone at PLoS whose job is to focus on other priorities but to never worry about submissions or peer review.
- Ramy Karam Aziz
Anthony Salvagno guest blog: Soapbox Science: Tool Tales: figshare & Open Science – Making Your Impact Remain : Soapbox Science - http://blogs.nature.com/soapbox...
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Similarities between open science and pro se legal representation: While talking with my friend Richard about python, we realized that there are similarities between what's happening with empowering citizens to access and contribute to science and empowering citizens to access legal information and represent themselves pro se in the courts.
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For example, the arguments that discuss the value of barriers to publication and access in science are similar to the arguments that discuss the value of attorneys "who know the rules and system" and the supposed inability of untrained citizens to understand laws and cases. In both of these systems, there are strong proponents of a tight-knit, closed system of highly trained professionals. They argue that it's dangerous, distracting, and preposterous for untrained but highly invested outsiders to participate directly in the system. Those proponents of closed contribution and access also happen to profit substantially from the closed systems.
- Steve Koch
Wellcome Trust joins academic spring Via Jonathan Eisen, Figshare, and Antony Williams on FB http://m.guardian.co.uk/science...
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Why I won’t review a manuscript that follows up on the tennis ball effect - http://www.science3point0.com/evomri...
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I just received an invitation to review a manuscript describing a follow-up study on a sideline of my PhD thesis, the tennis ball effect that lets the membrane of unfertilized eggs of the frog Xenopus laevis restructure in a strong … Continue reading →
- Daniel Mietchen
The scientific journal may "follow newspapers into oblivion"...a nice little article. http://the-scientist.com/2012... via @adametkin
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We can hope.
- Bill Hooker
If we want to keep the scientific enterprise moving, it needs to happen. Or the bubble will burst with unforeseeable consequences.
- Björn Brembs
RT @davidwhogg: My version: "If you are not embarrassed by the data analysis code you are posting on the web, you are posting it too late" #openScience
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Just read the email from @boraz @mistersugar & @ktraphagen on #scio13, ScienceOnlineNOW & ScienceSeeker. Those 3… what a bunch of slackers.
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Voting for SSP Society for Scholarly Publishing president? https://t.co/ZqHQ100H by @phylogenomics
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iEvoBio 2012 Challenge: Synthesizing phylogenies - http://iphylo.blogspot.com/2012...
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CfP Special Track Science 2.0 (#STS20) at i-KNOW 2012: http://i-know.tugraz.at/i-scien...
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The ARL SPARC OA Meeting starts on Monday. Follow the #sparc2012 hashtag. Lots of Open Science stuff is going to be discussed. Wilbanks in a keynote speaker.
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"High Ranking Open Access Journals Based on Citation Data" by JQ Johnson Director, Scholarly Communications & Instructional Support University of Oregon Libraries. http://openaccess.uoregon.edu/2012...
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"Ulrich’s lists about 65,000 peer reviewed scholarly journals of any kind" is that correct? Everybody seems to be citing 25k...
- Björn Brembs
Bjorn: I've always seen the 25,000ish figure (with a lot of sloppiness as to how it's sourced); wonder whether the 65K includes all peer-reviewed journals that have ever existed? Don't have access to Ulrichweb, so can't check.
- Walt Crawford
I did a completely blank search on Ulrich's and got back 652,016 results. Limiting it to "active" gave me 329,598. Limiting it to "active" and "peer-reviewed" gave me 59,800, which is fairly close to the JQ Johnson figure. Anybody got ideas for how to pare it down to 25K?
- RepoRat
Ooh, good thing I saw this before I was about to do all the same work myself!
- Deborah Fitchett
This is how you get down to 25k: http://pages.cmns.sfu.ca/heather... via Heather Morrison
- Björn Brembs
aaaaah, I missed the "academic / scholarly" tickybox. I'm not sure it's really all THAT appropriate, though -- there's peer-reviewed professional literature, why leave that out?
- RepoRat
@Björn & Heather - nice link. Had always wondered where the 25k figure comes from, and have never seen ulrichweb from inside.
- Daniel Mietchen
You may be wondering why we've been so quiet this week. It's because we're coding like mad on Total Impact https://t.co/eC9Yqb3i #altmetrics - http://twitter.com/cottage...
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If You Want Open Science, Then You Need to Convince Funders | Mike the Mad Biologist - http://mikethemadbiologist.com/2012...
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"how to make their work more accessible" Academics discuss ways to give public more access to research http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2012...
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