I saw a job posting I am qualified for, and applied. The project looks really interesting, so I'd like to know more and see if I can find an 'in'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
great! I'll see what I can find out for you. It may take me a day or three. I assume you know the basics already, or you wouldn't have applied for the job.
- D0r0th34
I know the basics that are at the links I pointed to, and of course I had the job description (so I think I'm qualified for the position), but I'd like to know more about the project in general, and their IT infrastructure in particular.
- Michael R. Bernstein
this just popped across my feeds: http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009... Chris Rusbridge is @cardcc on Twitter, and he's on FF as well -- you might want to ping him directly for an intro to Michener? you can say I sent you; Chris knows me. He's at IDCC himself at the moment (he didn't write that post), so presumably he'll see this talk. the conference's Twitter hashtag is #idcc09.
- D0r0th34
Chris responded today (http://friendfeed.com/chrisru...), but declined to do an intro (on the grounds that he doesn't know Michener well). So, I'm still looking for more info (hopefully video of Michener's talk will be available) and some kind of an intro.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I'm going to do a round of looking at some of the Science Social Networking sites again. Is anyone active on ResearchGate, Epernicus etc. and interested in testing functionality?
I'm willing to keep an open mind but so far FF surpasses these in terms of networking and ease of use. But if you want to experiment I have accounts in many of these and I would be willing to try.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I'm really just looking to make sure that things haven't moved on and improved significantly, particularly in the light of the NIH projects.
- Cameron Neylon
I tend to migrate to social networking sites based on "pull" - virtually the only time I go on LinkedIn or Facebook is when I get an email alert to something relevant to my interests. I would assume that if there was anything really cool going on in these new sites I would get these alerts generated by actions by you and my other friends.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
BTW Cameron - that is one of the issues I'm finding with Wave - I tend not to check it because I don't get alerts that there are updates - is there a way to get an email alert for Wave updates?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Yes, there is an email alerter. I'll add you and it to Wave...
- Cameron Neylon
Agreed to the general point though - if there isn't a pull, I'm not going there really. And I think that is a big issue with Wave - people just aren't checking in.
- Cameron Neylon
@Jean-Claude I don't think there's currently a way of doing this with the current interface without adding a robot but I saw there's a robot on the Haskell public wave which has similar support http://wave-xmpp.appspot.com/public...
- Dan Hagon
I'd be interested in testing (I recently started looking over Epernicus for an article on NGS). Where is the email alerter for Google Wave? Currently, I'm using Waveboard (Mac), which alerts you when there's activity. However, it needs to be running in order to do so.
- Walter Jessen
Just added you to a Wave with the email notifier Walter...
- Cameron Neylon
I have accounts on Epernicus, SciLink, Laboratree, and maybe could consider BenchFly a social networking site too, but like JC, I don't go to any sites besides FF and Twitter (and those are typically through 3rd-party apps), not even Facebook or LinkedIn, unless I get some alert. But I would be happy to see if anything's changed in those science-oriented sites I mentioned
- Shirley Wu
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I do get alerts that new people have joined the organic chemistry group in Research Gate but there is no discussion and my questions have not been answered there by anyone so not much motivation to check in.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I have accounts at NN, Epernicus, BioCrowd and SciLink. I have begged for account deletion at the latter for months, to no avail and have not visited most of the others for as long as I can recall. So: active - no, interested - no. It's all FF/Twitter for me.
- Neil Saunders
It's alright - this is a benefit of the doubt exercise - making sure that things haven't changed or that we've missed something. My brief look around yesterday suggested that nothing much has but I wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.
- Cameron Neylon
What about the criteria for comparison other than some "pull" functionality (which they all seem to have, to different extents)? Does usability boil down to feed import/ export and (hierarchically) threaded conversations ordered by novelty and importance, as at FF?
- Daniel Mietchen
It would be worth doing a compare and contrast - also things like Math Overflow and even some of the chemistry blogs act more like community sites. Seems particularly apposite with respect to Pawel's blog post yesterday about the idea to set up a next generation sequencing community site.
- Cameron Neylon
I have a ResearchGate account but don't actively use it. I currently do some FriendFeed, Nature Network (where my blog is hosted) and Google Wave, but mostly Twitter.
- Martin Fenner
The last issue (November 23) of the German computer magazine c't has an article on social networking for scientists. They like ResearchGate and Mendeley, but also include ResearcherID, Scholarz (a German network), Nature Network, SciLink and Scientist Solutions: http://www.heise.de/ct...
- Martin Fenner
That c't article (which shall come out in some OA fashion soon) may serve as guidance but I found the choice of networks therein rather arbitrary, and the comparison between sites was done on a more general level rather than on the basis of specific criteria.
- Daniel Mietchen
The article makes two obvious omissions: a) no mention of CiteULike (or Connotea), b) no mention of the recent $12 Mio social networking NIH grant to U of Florida/Cornell University. There are some more things in it I don't like, so I wrote a letter to c't magazine.
- Martin Fenner
Cameron, what criteria were you thinking of using?
- Mr. Gunn
Key questions: a) What is the immediate impression on signing up? Is there a pull for people to come back? b) What functionality is being offered? Is it immediately available? How dependent is it on having a network in place? c) Funding model and stability d) User numbers, ideally active users and accounts, but whether we can get those is another question. Those aren't very objective criteria and they are built on my biases but nonetheless
- Cameron Neylon
Chris - when you talk about "credit" are you expecting tenure and promotion committees to count it or do you have some other system in mind? If you set something up I have content that might be suitable to play with. As for citability - in our last few papers we have used blog posts and wiki pages as references and have not had any problems with that - so I think the system is quite flexible and can accommodate the types of activities you are proposing.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I think Chris means system credit or karma. The idea as I understand it is somewhere between Friendfeed and Stack Overflow
- Cameron Neylon
Thanks Cameron, yes, that's what I meant by 'credit' - however, by quantifying and metricising that credit, there is a possibility that one day tenure and promotion committees may want to use it as another measure of a scientists influence in a field. Apologies to Cameron for hijacking his thread. There is another discussion on this blog post here: http://friendfeed.com/chrisle...
- Chris Leonard
That's fine, it's not my thread, it the communities thread :-) Pointers are good, they link up the information.
- Cameron Neylon
Blog postings to replace (journal) papers and (in-depth) peer review a luxury that can only be acquired if paid for and to be replaced by blog comments instead? Weakening both readability and certification? That does not sound like a healthy idea.
- Wobbler
Wobbler: why should blogs lack any aspect of peer review? the standard of any publication depends on how editorial powers are used
- Mike Chelen
...and we already pay for peer review. It just isn't a cost transferred as actual cash.
- Cameron Neylon
But blogs do not have any editorial powers? What advantage do blog postings have over (journal) papers? They lack format = lack of consistency = lack of efficiency = lack of scalability. Are you seriously suggesting that blogging/blog posts have the potential to replace journal publishing/ (journal) papers as the primary scholarly communication model/channel? Upgrading the traditional...
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- Wobbler
@Cameron: that's true, but now peer review is at least mandatory for the primary scholarly communication model i.e. scholarly publishing. Replacing that with something else and having peer review only on request/payment is a very different story.
- Wobbler
Wobbler - there is a difference between requiring the peer review to be performed before making some information public and allowing it to take place after that. I do not see why the latter option would generally fare worse than the former. In fact, we already practice it here at FF, with numbers of likes and comments roughly indicating the popularity of a topic, while the quality has to be sought in the individual comments (and of course the source item that started the thread).
- Daniel Mietchen
... it isn't a cost transferred BY YOU as actual cash. Yet. It should be, in my not-terribly-humble opinion, however, because the market disconnect in the current system has proven ridiculously unsustainable. Wobbler, some of my blog posts have had more measurable impact than anything I've ever written. Sure, it's a lightning-strike sort of thing, and most of my blog posts languish in...
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- D0r0th34
@Daniel: I'm not talking about post-"publication" peer review. That's still different from random blog commentary on blog posts. There's no evidence that what we're doing here isn't just a "niche" thing that works well because we're a niche. There's certainly no consistency in quality in our blog postings (well, at least not in mine :p ). Not to mention a lack of consistency in...
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- Wobbler
@D0r0th34: No, we should absolutely not ignore lighting strikes. But we should see them as lightning strikes and consider them to be an exception more than a rule and focus our attention on something that provides that level of quality more as a rule than an exception. Blogs as a complement to (journal) papers is great. But once you start to see it as a primary source, a replacement for...
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- Wobbler
We don't know about our OA bets. As for slow-and-steady, a well-run blog isn't? Lightning strikes aside, building a reputation and a readership is hardly an immediate thing.
- D0r0th34
@D0r0th34: That's one more reason why blogging as the primary scholarly communication model is a broken idea. "Popularity" and "building a readership" will be important for blogs (and other post publication peer review models) to be visible/significant. But aren't we going after journals for using their JIF to attract peeps to read their stuff? How is "blog (poster) popularity" to get a...
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- Wobbler
I think the most important property of non peer-reviewed scientific communication is that the content be easily indexed and searchable. Relying on comments and rankings can be very misleading indicators for utility in long tail systems. For example we get over 100 searches a day for our solubility data via Google and Wikipedia but we have never had a comment or any type of feedback from the people who searched for and found information.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Shrug. System-gaming goes on everywhere; there are a number of studies of citation-impact gaming, if you look. Also, why is connectivity a bad thing? We are talking about scholarly *communication* after all, right? Restricting "what counts" only to what goes through the baroque serials-publishing process is IMO an extraordinarily blinkered and limiting view of how knowledge really advances. Sure, it's not easy to come up with more inclusive views -- but that doesn't mean it's not worthwhile.
- D0r0th34
The problem is that I'm not sure we can talk about "gaming the system" rather than "an intrinsic part of the system that everybody will be forced to play or greatly risk invisibility" when it comes to blogs and other models relying on postpublication "peer review". PLoS ONE is, intentionally or not, already trying to stake their claim on an as large a readership/community as possible....
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- Wobbler
@D0r0th34: And connectivity can be unfair if your serious/scientific works are getting more attention than others simply because you've managed to draw a bigger crowd through non serious/scientific stuff. On a slightly more personal note: for someone who occasionally complains about the (lack of) readability of (journal) articles, I had expected that you, of all people, would appreciate...
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- Wobbler
I have to say reading down this I am unsure of whether the complaints apply to blogs or journal articles. Consistent structure and copy editing would be nice but it is rare for both blogs and journal articles. Quality is an issue across the board. Going back to peer review - it's only mandatory for the author, refusal rates for reviewers are going through the roof and unless we acknowledge that cost the system will collapse sometime soon.
- Cameron Neylon
@Cameron: Consistent structure and copy editing are rare for journal articles? They are? Not entirely sure about copyediting, but surely most, if not all, journal papers have a recognizable structure? And I don't think they're as rare or rarer than for blog postings. I also think the issue is with peer review, and not with the (journal) paper (format). As such, we should find ways to...
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- Wobbler
Of my recent papers, only one received close copy editing by anyone but me. And that was the Nature piece for which to be honest I would have been happier if the editor had got a co-credit. And formats are all over the place - maybe consistent for a single journal but that's not use to me. The costs of both peer review and publication are so high we need to find a way to lower them -...
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- Cameron Neylon
@Cameron: I'm not sure that's a convincing enough argument for me. Maybe your other papers were written clearly enough already? You're a prolific blogger/writer, Cameron. It's not weird to assume that your ability to communicate concepts clearly is higher than the average scholar. Maybe high enough to not warrant copyediting (in a lot of journals)? My impression of journals is that...
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- Wobbler
Well others can pitch in but perhaps a different anecdote. Until I started getting into arguments with Maxine Clarke I didn't even realise that journals might do copy editing. Nature and similar are very different beasts to the average of course.
- Cameron Neylon
So, generally speaking, only the high profile/impact journals provide copyediting services? Hmm, that is definitely not what I expected. If you had to estimate the % of journals that provide copyediting services, what % would that be? The (top) 10% of all journals?
- Wobbler
I have the same experience as Cameron - the only time my manuscript was copyedited was when I published in Nature
- Jean-Claude Bradley
So far as I'm aware, no-one here wants to replace peer-reviewed journals entirely by blogs. Yet that seems to be what you're arguing against, Wobbler. For some functions, journals are a lot better than blogs. But for other functions, blogs are a lot better than journals. At the least, I really can't imagine how, say, DHJ Polymath or Galaxy Zoo or the Open Dinosaur Project or [fill in...
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- Michael Nielsen
Most of this is as a response to an FF comment by Chris Leonard on the 23th of November in this thread, who is arguing for exactly that.
- Wobbler
Cameron, any progress on the roundup? Is there any information I can provide from Mendeley?
- Mr. Gunn
Right - getting there slowly! Have set up a wiki page (ignore the state of the rest of the site I am working on it!) at http://wiki.cameronneylon.net/index... You should be able to login with openids, any problem give me a yell. I would suggest a week by week schedule to dive into and try and use a specific site, give it a good shot and then report as we go. I...
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- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, what do you mean by "stability" - things like a service being bought/shut down vs. server outages? What about one week to agree on parameters and sites to check? I added data portability.
- Daniel Mietchen
I was thinking more of medium to long term financial stability - but technical stability is a good criterion in terms of functionality. Data portability is a good point!
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, I spoke with Drew Endy, Bill Flanagan, and a couple other PIs that use OpenWetWare (Maureen, Pam) last week about the future of OWW. There are two major issues (a) funding and (b) overhauling the platform. I think funding will work out, if we can figure out what is the best way to do (b). Bill and Drew have some good ideas at this point, but in my gut I think we're still not...
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- Steve Koch
I guess my easy question for everyone who's familiar with OWW: Do you think with the resources we have (one full-time excellent lead developer) we can transform OWW into a killer openscience resource for many more people going forward? One thought that keeps coming to me is that something could be (needs to be) done to tap into the energy of the user base. I.e., obsessed students who...
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- Steve Koch
Another thing that keeps coming into my head since the conference call last week: FriendFeed is quite possibly very similar to what many people need for OpenScience. As far as science goes, we generate information from all kinds of different sources (Machine-specific data; gel photos; microsoft word; evernote; scratch paper; blogging; etc.). This needs to be aggregated and shared in a...
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- Steve Koch
Oh, and to clarify a bit: I don't want to replace FriendFeed with OWW. I want to use the FriendFeed model as a starting point for the new OWW. As an OpenScienceAggregator / Networking tool. As others have pointed out, much of the value of friendfeed is that it's not limited to scientists generating data.
- Steve Koch
Steve, that's a great way of asking the question. I'd go one step further and say how can we make it the framework in which we can integrate all the other things we do on other services. It's never going to be a no-brainer to move from what you use to something else - there is always the simple problem of the activation barrier to change - its a question of the balance. But my guess is...
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- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, I agree with you exactly: I don't want people to switch, and indeed I want to think "one level above." Do you think there's a real possibility for doing that?
- Steve Koch
If we could coordinate a series of activities and get proper funding then yes. Quite a lot of interest in the pieces of this (including the grant I'm currently rushing to finish), Chris's ideas further up this thread, OWW obviously, Mendeley/Citeulike/Zotero. But coordination is the hard bit - and getting agreement that its what enough of us want. Do I think we have a clear idea of what...
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- Cameron Neylon
The Research 2.0 Concept Model above is an evolution of the Academic Library 2.0 Concept Models developed for my Master's Paper (http://mchabib.com/2006... ). While the original model primarily focused on academic library services for students, the new model focuses on services for researchers. Like in the original models, the top represents communication spaces grounded in physical space, while the bottom mirrors this in the online realm. Two ends of the spectrum are informal communications and formal communications. My argument is that Research 2.0 falls somewhere between these extremes. A full presentation is located here: http://www.slideshare.net/habibmi...
- Michael Habib
The above Scholarly Identity 2.0 Concept Model takes the series of concept models one step farther, but with a slightly different twist. The divide between online and offline scholarly communication is largely meaningless, so has been discarded. The spectrum in this case is more specific with one end being entirely user-generated content and the other traditional scholarly...
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- Michael Habib
Michael - interesting stuff. Do you have that paper you mentioned published by now (blog post is dated mid-2006). I would like to mention some of this in my thesis and cite your publication of course.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Thesis located here: http://hdl.handle.net/1901/356 and the title is "Toward Academic Library 2.0: Development and Application of a Library 2.0 Methodology"
- Michael Habib
Claudia - the overall theme is data publication and the role of data standards, federated database networks and digital identity in facilitating/encouraging data sharing. The context is research into correlation between genotype and phenotype, or medical genetics/genomics more generally. Have a look at this review published last year that i co-authored with my supervisor: "Genotype-phenotype databases: challenges and solutions for the post-genomic era" - http://dx.doi.org/10...
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
The second (right) model above on identity is the more interesting of the two. If you are going to look at just one....
- Michael Habib
Interesting social status implications here, especially with the second model. The more robust both sides of the scholar2.0 identity components (UGC + trad), the "deeper" the 2.0 identity (think tag clouds as the metaphor here). Or, perhaps color combos is a better metaphor, with schol.identity2.0 being a mix of UCG (say, "yellow"), trad (say "blue") and combo being "green" -- the shade...
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- Mickey Schafer
Open access to science journals - c/o of a new feature built into researchgate. ResearchGATE launches SelfArchiving Repository Scientific Online Network ResearchGATE blazes a new route into the world of Open Access Boston, September 15th 2009. The last few weeks have been big here at ResearchGATE (www.researchgate.net), the world's largest online...
Somewhat bizarre article on how MS filed to patent sequence clustering two years ago. For those of us using OpenOffice, there is the additional weirdness of MS granted a patent for using XML to store documents, while being sued for intellectual infringement of the same. Hat tip to Andor Kiss
- Iddo Friedberg
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Evangelos Pafilis1,3, Seán I O'Donoghue1,3, Lars J Jensen1,2,3, Heiko Horn1, Michael Kuhn1, Nigel P Brown1 & Reinhard Schneider1 European Molecular Biology Laboratory, Heidelberg, Germany. NNF Center for Protein Research, University of Copenhagen, Denmark. These authors contributed equally. e-mail: contact@reflect.ws IntroductionTo the editor: Anyone who regularly reads life science literature often comes across names of genes, proteins or small molecules that they would like to know more about. To make this process easier, we have developed a new, free service called Reflect (http://reflect.ws) that can be installed as a plug-in to web browsers, such as Firefox or Internet Explorer. Reflect tags gene, protein and small-molecule names in any web page, typically within a few seconds and without affecting document layout.
- Maxine
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I think this is a fantastic tool for end users, but Daniel's comment about integration with the Gene Wiki just made me think it could also be great for developers. _If_ there were an API, that is. Does Reflect relate a recognized term back to a specific database entry or identifier (e.g., Ensembl/Entrez Gene ID), and if so, can I as a developer get access to it? I'd love to parse all Gene Wiki articles and establish wiki links to other gene pages do de-orphanize them. Would be really cool...
- Andrew Su
... actually, we'd thought about doing a similar thing with the WikiProfessional Concept Web Linker API (but haven't spent the time to figure it out yet) or the NCBO OBA http://www.bioontology.org/tools... (but not sure it does genes/proteins real well yet). For its simplicity and apparent accuracy, I'd love to try this out with Reflect...
- Andrew Su
Short answers: 1) We do relate the recognized terms to database identifiers; for example, mammalian proteins are specified by their Ensembl identifiers. 2) There is not an API on the production Reflect server, but we are currently working on a SOAP API - it should be ready for you to play within a couple of weeks :)
- Lars Juhl Jensen
ugh, no REST interface planned? Given my frozen-in-time programming skills, SOAP is a code word for me to pass it off to a real programmer. ;)
- Andrew Su
There may also be a REST interface. If we make this then it will be build on top of the SOAP interface (i.e. all REST calls will be translated to SOAP calls). I hope that we can do this in an automated manner based on the WSDL. In any case, this implies that the REST interface will be made only after we are done with the SOAP interface.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
Sharing this as it is a slightly less specialist post than some of the posts I've read about Google Wave (ie people like me can understand it).
- Maxine
Quote: "Last week Microsoft will start inviting users into Vine, a public-service tool that will be especially useful during disasters. In case of an emergency or everyday life, Vine will be a multi-platform, ad-free method of staying in touch with networks. Once Vine is launched it has the potential to become a very powerful communication platform. Last week I had a phone call with Tammy Savage, the GM of Microsoft’s Public Safety Initiative. Vine's primary goal is to connect you with a small group of people, reach them wherever they are, and allow you to determine what conditions are like where they are. Vine will do this by letting you connect to it as you desire. Initially that means Facebook, LinkedIn, email, SMS, and the Vine Windows client. "
- Maxine
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Quote (by Tony Hammond): "We're pleased to announce that Nature.com now has an OAI-PMH interface. This service implements the Protocol for Metadata Harvesting from the Open Archives Initiative. This means that the Nature.com platform can now be queried by item, by title or by date range and that structured data records will be returned. All articles from over 150 titles can be accessed and dating back to 1869 for Nature magazine."
- Maxine
From Allan Sudlow http://network.nature.com/groups... (links at source URL): The British Library is developing something called the Research Information Centre in collaboration with Microsoft. This is a web-based collaborative environment in which research teams can find, manage, share and...
Quote: "The announcement, expected Monday, means developers can build services that access the photos, videos, notes and comments users upload to Facebook, with users' permission. That's a big change for the social-networking site, which has exercised tight control over the look and feel of its service and how developers can interact with it. What I cannot figure out is whether this means Facebook is going to solve its linking problem. I've complained about it before, but the big issue with Facebook, to my mind, is that it does not play well with others when it comes to linking on the open web. In fact, it's damn hard to even link *inside* Facebook, never mind sending links *from* other services (IE Twitter) into your Facebook status feed (you can't)."
- Maxine
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That's one of my main issues with it, too, besides the annoying interface and all that. I can't believe they'd get by without links, the most important things on the web.
- Mr. Gunn
"Access Points in novoseek". Find in this detailed information page how Access Points work in novoseek. Thanks to this, you should be able to explore more of the content and create very specific requests. We are very interested in having your feedback on it. Thank you - http://novoseek.com/AccessP...
For instance, if you want to earch for the gene "alpha synuclein" using the GenBank ID CR457058. The link structure should be this one http://www.novoseek.com/AccessP...
- novoseek
Technologies, Tools and Applications for Collaborative and Social Bioinformatics Research and Development: June 10-13, Sicily, Italy - http://www.nettab.org/2009/
Just wanted to let folks know that there is a new version of Workstreamer available. Last summer there was some interest in checking out our early-stage prototype. We've re-tooled it quite a bit and I think you'll be impressed. If you're interested in checking it out: sam@workstreamer.com Thx!
Quote: "This morning marks the launch of ExecTweets, a platform my company has built working with Microsoft, its sponsor, and Twitter. I'm proud of the work here, it reflects a lot of thinking about how to use conversations like Twitter to fuel what I hope is a value-added experience. In this case, we're filtering for business-realated content from senior execs in various industries, like retail, healthcare, government, and more, and we've created a platform for community conversation, voting, input, and recommendations. (FM blog post here)."
- Maxine
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JB says: "We hope to do a lot more projects along these lines, please let me know what you think, and how we can improve them."
- Maxine
It's Twitter, except with Microsoft ads and the assumption that "top business execs" have more to say of more interest, impact and importance than others. What are the odds any of those executweeters are going to respond to you? So it's broadcast, with authority attached to position and power, and ads. How very "new media".
- Richard Akerman
I use ClaimID! http://claimid.com/maxine. Don't say I'm up with the online trends, for once! You can link to people there but I have only found a few other users I know, so if anyone has a claim id account, maybe they could post it here.
- Maxine
ClaimID does provide good services, and I need to avail myself of them. However, like many web2.0 services there are no plans for the long-term. Will as service like this be a req't in a research infrastructure? Is it a public good?
- Bill Anderson
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@Maxine: did you find the bookmarklet?
- Jan Aerts
PublicationsList.org enables researchers to maintain a reliable, professional looking, web-based listing of their academic publication record. - http://www.nextgenerationscience.com/resourc...
Cameron--would you please put a Twitter button on your fascinating blog so that we can foloow you more easily and send news of posts by your around the Web?
- Hope Leman