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I would suggest Stephen Friend http://sagebase.org/sagelea... or Mike Eisen http://rana.lbl.gov/eisen/ - Lisa Green

Michael Nielsen or Terry Tao would be my suggestions - Phil

I have a request that you make the keynote available, like we were able to do for our grad student-run "keynote": http://ff.im/cciC (Vimeo links are in there). - Chris Lasher

@ChrisLasher I'm not in charge this year, just submitting some nominations. I'll see what I can do, though. - Chris Miller

I second Phil's suggestions. - Neil Saunders

I bet plenty of SciBlings would take the gig. Bora Zivkovic? - D0r0th34

Bora + 1 - Bill Hooker

Cameron or Jean-Claude? - Björn Brembs

Cameron +1 - Jamie McQuay from iPhone

Where are you based, Chris? - Matthew Todd

Hover over Chris's name, Matt :-) - Neil Saunders

Definitely worth the pacific ocean crossing. Thanks to all session leaders, organisers and great crowd! - Kubke

Ditto, enjoyed it loads. Thanks to the organisers - Duncan Hull

Thanks! - Gustavo Lacerda

Jamie, how do you notify us of cancellations? You can find my email at http://www.optimizelife.com/ - Gustavo Lacerda

I'll let you know her and email you. You have moved to #2 now - Jamie McQuay from iPhone

You are now at the top of the list... - Jamie McQuay from iPhone

Gustavo, you're in :-) - Jamie McQuay from iPhone

Thanks, Jamie! Where is the event? What time? - Gustavo Lacerda

How do we show the benefits of open science. Real examples of progress. - Kristi Miller Durazo

+1 for open science, specifically open data - Jamie McQuay

Open Data (Cameron would be good to chair this) - Duncan Hull

@Duncan, i agree. I know that Andrew Lang has interest in this area also. - Jamie McQuay

Talk about something we haven't talked about before. - Martin Fenner

What will structural biology look like (and with) in 25 years? - Cameron Neylon

@Martin any suggestions? - Jamie McQuay

Jamie, my head is buzzing with session suggestions for Science Online London. - Martin Fenner

Talk about what interests us in science and hopefully find some interesting combinations. - Martin Fenner

Personal genomics - the good, the bad, and the balance... ? :) - Shirley Wu

We could discuss why companies started by academics often fail, even if their technology is viable. - Aaron Rowe

Perhaps we could mention some science or technology topics that excite us during an icebreaker event toward the beginning of the camp. - Aaron Rowe

@Aaron, yes this is done at the start of the camp when everyone gets a chance to introduce themselves. - Jamie McQuay

@martin "Talk about something we haven't talked about before". Perhaps we can discuss the merits of Intelligent Design? - Jim Hardy

Being Serious, how can we make Science more acceptable/palatable to the General Public? - Jim Hardy

I like this topic of making science more interesting to the general public. Its an interesting discussion. On one hand it would be great to have more "rock start scientists" that would attract attention, increase kids interest in science and help increase science funding. One the other hand, this would emphasize the ego reward systems and I don't like ego driven science because it can lead to a lot of nastiness. - Pedro Beltrao

There's really a question of whether the "ego driven science" is even possible, given the personality archetypes that dominate scientific research in the first place. If you dazzle people into scientific fields with the promise of fame, you're going to have to pull a mighty bait-and-switch to get them motivated by the pursuit of deductive truths for their own sake instead. - Naomi Most

http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels... - Andrew Lang

I think that i'm going to stay in SF, I have meetings there before and after sbcPA. - Jamie McQuay

Admins: Might not be a bad idea to ask the IFTF people whether they have a standard hotel where they put up their guests. Maybe they can even get discounts if it's a place they have relationships with...? - Chris Patil

Chris +1 - Andrew Lang

email sent to IFTF... - Jamie McQuay

Yes. Last year, SciFoo people stayed in Sunnyvale which was either a 40 min bus ride or 20 min taxi to Palo Alto. IFTF is right off the PA CalTran station, but the SciFoo Hotels were 3-4 mi walk to the nearest CalTran station. I'm looking for something in Palo Alto, proper. - Jim Hardy

IFTF does not have any corporated rates. Here are their hotel suggestions: Right around the corner (walking distance of less than 5 minutes there are two hotels that are next to one another): · Sheraton – http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sherato... · Westin - http://www.starwoodhotels.com/westin... Six... more... - Jamie McQuay

I will get these hotel suggestions onto the scibarcamp website this week. - Jamie McQuay

There's a B&B called the Cowper Inn www.cowperinn.com only 5-6 blocks from IFTF and *only* $150/night. Think I'll shack up there. - Jim Hardy

I'm at Days Inn Palo Alto which is a mile or so down the Camino Real I think - assuming it's not so hard to get there by bus and not so far as it was back down to Sunnydale like last year :-) - Cameron Neylon

you could try contacting the people here: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event... - Andrew Lang

I sent an email to Timo Hannay (scifoo organizer) to pass on SciBarCamp info to scifoo people - Jamie McQuay

That sounds great. Timo's a great guy, so hopefully he'll be effective in communicating that info to people -- and coming from him, it's "news from the organizer," not "spam" :-) - Chris Patil

Pedro, mostly word of mouth. Fell free to invite people. The event is fairly small so it won't be hard to fill. - Jamie McQuay

But we do have the "key note" speaker taken care of, right? - Jim Hardy

Just posted a message on the BBC Google group. there are 130+ people registered on that site, and I think most attendees were members. My post needs moderation, though. Some porn spam has taken hold of the site, to boot(ie)! - Jim Hardy

@jim speaker is taken care of :-) - Jamie McQuay

Thanks for that info. Who's the moderator of that Google group? Jim, let us know how it goes. If that doesn't work then we can manually compile a list of last year's attendees and send emails. - Chris Patil

Duncan, can you please update the info on the Upcoming page? - Jamie McQuay

@Jamie, aye done http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event... - Duncan Hull

I don't want to state a mission or direction, that should be decided by the attendees. I think that we can through names/topics around on this page to see what people are interested in. Does anyone know if the 2009 SciFoo list is published? - Jamie McQuay

One person that would be interesting to hear speak would be Johnathan Rothberg who is running a gene sequencing startup in San Francisco. One of his employees was at BioBarcamp last year. I'd like to hear other suggestions... - Jamie McQuay

I think Brian Mallow would be great, but maybe as an end of session comic relief on day one? (edited out that last bit. Sorry I was looking at June) - Jim Hardy

In case you don't know Brian: http://is.gd/frJ0 - Jim Hardy

Scifoo list 09 not published yet - will let you know as soon as I have any info but last year the actual list of people wasn't released until about 4-6 weeks after initial invitations, which would make it mid-June. I know a few people who have invites but they're not names big enough to necessarily draw in people beyond this community. I support the "no mission" mission as a concept though. I'd just pick the most entertaining and interesting person you can think of who might be available. - Cameron Neylon

I'm also supportive of "no mission", for the record. It does seem that choosing a keynote speaker who draws people (with related interests) from outside this community, who then change the composition of the attendees, might have a mission-like effect -- i.e., we should be aware of the influence this choice will have on on the user-generated content at the meeting. - Chris Patil

+1 chris exciting speakers will lead to exciting discussion - Cameron Neylon from fftogo

Quick aside: What does the "+1" denote? I'm new to FF and Twitter and I feel like this is a shorthand that I'm missing. - Chris Patil

-1 for Chris, but I have always had the same question. - Jim Hardy

:-( Now I'm back to zero. - Chris Patil

the +1 is a shorthand for a "like" for a comment or in situations where a "vote in favour" of shorthand is useful. It came out of conversations where people were asking "Do you use an X or a Y" or "How many widgets do you have open at the moment" kind of things and people would say "+1 macbook" or similar - Cameron Neylon

Thanks. - Chris Patil

Thanks for organising, looking forward to it already - Duncan Hull

Other than an extremely questionable choice of co-organizers, I heartily approve! :-) - Chris Patil

"scientists of all disciples"? Otherwise, I too heartily approve. - Michael Nielsen

funny, I knew that would get a comment... of course everyone is more than welcome to come. I'm not scientist and I organized the event. - Jamie McQuay

Jamie: "disciples" != "disciplines". The former makes me think it would be a cross between a scientific conference, and a religious revival... - Michael Nielsen

oh my, its be a long day... cheers Michael - Jamie McQuay

I can almost walk there so count me in :) - Pedro Beltrao

Now added to http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event... - Duncan Hull

Duncan, can you please update the yahoo event when the tickets are released in may? I will update the scibarcamp page with the link for May 1st. - Jamie McQuay

@Jamie OK, what time do you plan to release tickets on May 1st? - Duncan Hull

Chris - In Toronto in 2008, we consciously invited a lot of people who were disconnected; the key seemed to be involving a few superconnected people who were plugged into many different scenes, and asking them to make suggestions. - Michael Nielsen

I think it would be important to have as many new faces as possible. It would be fun to have a repeat of last year but the attendees would have less to gain from it. - Pedro Beltrao

Sounds like we agree about the value of diversity; now we can ponder how best to achieve it. @Michael, that's interesting about Toronto. I would tend to lean against the "superconnected individual" model since that would seem to give a small # of people outsized influence, and tend to reinforce the structures that made those people prestigious/connected/influential in the first place. - Chris Patil

I guess when you control the hardware you have more time to concentrate on what the user/developer actually needs. - Jamie McQuay

Glad that you came to this conclusion. Many blog posts were written, many bits spent on why MSFT used to do the same thing and it stopped some time (long) time ago. DOS used to come with Basic (ok, it's not a great language, but anyway) and Windows does not have even a scripting language available. - Paulo Nuin

"Once Microsoft figures out how to support the million+ hardware configurations they support they should really think about supporting their developer from the initial startup." Except that would mean that they wouldn't be able to peddle a dozen .NET development solutions... - Daniel Swan

Daniel Swan-> Selling .Net is fine but then ship it with the kitchen sink. Where is my object persistence, PDF framework, RSS component etc... - Jamie McQuay

Jamie, I agree, I am a Mac user, and I love my bundled developer extras - even a fresh Ubuntu install takes a half hour to 'trick out' for development work.. - Daniel Swan

Daniel.... i'm jealous. - Jamie McQuay

No, Jamie. Once you control the hardware, you get to tell the user/developer what they'll do. Fortunately, what they allow you to do has been more or less parallel to what people want to do, and the couple disparities they've handled by changing the users mind. Get locked into this and you become totally dependent on their benevolence, however. - Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn - Hardware control has nothing to do with the developer... Do you think i care what screen, hard-drive, keyboard I or the user is using? I care more about the fact that Apple went the extra mile and paid the licensing fees to Adobe so I can develop solutions for PDF files. That is where they are kicking ass... What can you do with a New Windows based system? Sure the calculator rocks but i need more than that. - Jamie McQuay

Never mind Mr Gunn's rant against Apple. :-) - Paulo Nuin

Sorry Paulo, but there has to be at least one crank for every hundred fanbois around here, and it appears that job falls to me. ;-) To address Jamie's point, you might not care what hardware the user is using, but Apple does, and as a user, that's bad because it encourages lock-in and that leads to reduced functionality, which comes back around to being bad for a developer, but that's enough rant for now. It either makes sense to you or it doesn't. - Mr. Gunn

I'm far from being a fanboi, I'm like Steven Colbert, I don't see OS, completely agnostic. But you have to admit that they are superior machines, like it or not. Dell are great, the only problem is that they come with Windows only (here in Canada), and I don't want to spend 40 work-hours to install, configure and make it look the way I want. I spent too many sleepless nights configuring Windows and Linux, I deserve a rest. - Paulo Nuin

@Paulo: For that price they better be superior. Just to clear up, I am writing this comment on my MacBook Pro ;-) - Daniel Jurczak

I understand your point, Paulo. It does always take a while setting up and configuring things, but when you're done, you have something that works how you want it to, not how Apple has decided it should. - Mr. Gunn

Mr Gunn, I have a nice Dell XPS at work, quadcore, runs better on Windows than on Linux, and I tried 4 different distros, wasted so many days trying to configure it run better and then I gave up. I will stick with Windows there, and hopefully buy a new Macbook for my wife and get her old one to use at work. I'm tired of configuring things, installing things and then when a new update comes up, everything breaks. - Paulo Nuin

You can get some very nice Argentinian steak in Chicago and DC - Paulo Nuin

me too! I always go to La Luna in the Jordaan in Amsterdam - Jamie McQuay

I have 2 blogs. My personal blog is posted to only rarely and usually it's limited viewing anyway. On the other hand Twitter takes care of a lot of things that I might say on a personal blog ... Now, to some extents it's semantics. bbgm is a *very* personal blog. It just happens to be about techie stuff. - Deepak Singh

I guess I already sort of have a hub already but it's been mostly abandoned lately since blogging and FF have been so much more convenient. I am thinking of migrating to a Wordpress blog, though, so that may be a good solution. If the life scientists crowd doesn't care about my dumpling recipes or the last tournament I played in, they can just ignore them. I'm hoping that categorizing and tagging things well will help to mitigate audience annoyance, should there be any... - Shirley Wu

Wordpress is great for tagging/categorising. Multiple blogs is way too much work for me (plus, I'm not *that* interested in more personal/social blogging, nor would I assume anyone would want to read it). I tend to post more whimsical observations to twitter, facebook or tumblr. So long as your main portal is largely on-topic, I think people will forgive the occasional diversion; and as you say, tags/categories let them ignore it if they choose. - Neil Saunders

What would you post to your "work minus science" blog? I think it's better to keep things separated, if only for the sake of subscribers. People might be interested in what I have to say about bioinformatics, but not so much that my second son just learned to say "Papa". I think most people won't want to bother with subscribing to the appropriate tag(s) on your blog. - Michael Kuhn

I pretty much have two of everything - two blogs, two friendfeeds, two deliciouses, etc. Otherwise: worlds colliding. - Richard Akerman

I'd be interested in dumpling recipes :) But I'm with Neil - far too much work to keep things separate but then I don't really put anything that is _really_ personal online. - Cameron Neylon

I have one blog for chemistry research and one for elearning - I just duplicate posts when appropriate. That seems to work for me. - Jean-Claude Bradley

My $0.02: I don't blog much "personal" stuff, most of what I do online is about my obsession with Open Science. I do have a photoblog which feeds into a sidebar on my main blog, but otherwise I figure anyone reading me will put up with/happily ignore the occasional political outburst or personal rant. Seems there are as many ways of dealing with this question as there are bloggers... - Bill Hooker

Keeping a hard line between social and work stuff is overrated. Or overworried. First, as Cameron said, don't put any really private stuff up anyway. And as Bill said, the cognitive load of ignoring a post that you're really not interested in is low. Just hit 'n' in reader. As long as there's enough I am interested in, it's ok. Besides, dumplings are yummy. - NatBlair

I say throw it all in to one... more fun that way for all of us readers :) I hear you, though... I've mostly just not blogged personal things because I didn't want to cross contaminate a "work blog" with kiddo stories. But maybe life is too short to take it that seriously. Bring on the recipes, I'd enjoy them! - Heather Piwowar

I used to have three blogs - one on politics, one on science, one on education, and it was hard to manage. When I joined Seed scienceblogs, I fused the three into one and never regretted it - this way my one blog attracts a diverse audience: people who want to see my travel pictures also see science stories, people who come to read about Open Access, also get to see my slam of McCain, etc. - Bora Zivkovic

great link but it didn't come from me... - Jamie McQuay

Not a single TED talk? Hmm. - Chris Lasher

if you look at the "readers choice" it's full of TED talks - Deepak Singh

The Hans Roling/Gapminder TED talk has got to be the best talk ever. - Nick Lothian

Jamie: You're right - it came from a link on a page you bookmarked. - Jen Dodd

then you should plan to attend now Deepak :-) - Jamie McQuay

Done - Deepak Singh

doesn't automating a cafe take away from the experience? - Jamie McQuay

8-10 years ago C code .. very tedious, needs to tell everything to the computer. the direction in CS has been to make computation less tedious. Example of SAGE http://www.sagemath.org/ - Pedro Beltrao

it is easy to ask the computer to do a task , but it might still take a long long time to process. instead we can take it to the cloud and let it compute. We should not need to know about the details. - Pedro Beltrao

making the argument that spare cycles of every computer can be used - Pedro Beltrao

getting to the problem of parallel processing - Pedro Beltrao

does the national research grid not already fill this void? - Jamie McQuay

the next couple years , due to the multi core processors , programmers need to learn to program for multi core - Pedro Beltrao

Deepak: comment from the audience, tried to get 500 virtual machines for 3 days at Amazon but they were refused (too big) - Pedro Beltrao

DEEPAK - set them straight. - Jamie McQuay

Example of Folding at home (PS3 at people's home) - Pedro Beltrao

Open Mac Grid and SETI@home - Pedro Beltrao

distributed home computing will go away because "normal" people will switch to the cloud with "cloud books" - Pedro Beltrao

another possible computer time that we could tap would be webservers - Pedro Beltrao

moving to discussion about lab robotics and automated labs or companies - Pedro Beltrao

fully automated instrumentation in 5 years... yes that is a dream. - Jamie McQuay

Send them to me. - Deepak Singh

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... - Deepak Singh

I showed him the link. He said that eventually they got the space the needed in a uni cluster. - Pedro Beltrao

Would be interesting to find out when this request was made, cause although sometimes coordination is required, access to a large number of small size instances is usually not an issue. - Deepak Singh

ask him to email me ... deesingh at thatbigretailsite.com - Deepak Singh

sorry Deepak, I saw this too late. I don't remember the name know. - Pedro Beltrao

in science, you come up with a hypothesis, if everything works well in about 2 years you get a publication in cell/nature/science. but usually things don't work so well and you just spin your wheels and 4 years later you realize all you have are negative results. whose CV looks better? who worked harder/more? - Shirley Wu

Chris Patil encapsulates: rewards are given based on a whole bunch of factors, many of which are outside an individual's control - Shirley Wu

great topic. Congrats Eva in presenting it. - Jamie McQuay

mention of Journal of Negative Results in Biomedicine, PLoS ONE, Nature Precedings as places you can publish negative results. But still not any of the big 3 or journals with high IF - Shirley Wu

Eva mentions a study that looked at p-values reported in papers. Distributions should be normal-ish. But found that there's a spike right before p=0.05 and a dip right after. People were fudging their data to have "significance" so they could publish in the big journals. Credit Michael Nielsen for the story. - Shirley Wu

Mention that p-value cutoffs are pretty arbitrary. Eva comments that it's because people don't want "failure" that they are driven to manipulate data to get it published in a big journal. Peter Binfield mentions the problem with image manipulation. Chris comments that there's really no such thing as raw data anymore in many cases. - Shirley Wu

Eva now segueing into "alternative careers". Dislike of the term because it's often connoted with "failure" to succeed in an academic career. "Death in the family" response when you tell people you're not going to do a post-doc, etc. - Shirley Wu

a lot of participants feeling like failure is in the eye of the beholder. If you don't feel like you've failed, then you haven't. Do we need to worry about the idea of failure in academia? "alternative" career implies a minority, but it's actually the majority. - Shirley Wu

how to value the work that went into the long and convoluted path that didn't end in a cell nature science paper? this could come out of an in depth interview with the person. But how will that person get an interview? - Shirley Wu

Journal of Negative Results - http://www.jnrbm.com/ - Shirley Wu

Would getting your negative results published in PLoS or some other journal be worth the effort of writing up something that's most likely not as exciting to you as a positive result? - Shirley Wu

Of course, publishing negative results is very valuable to science as a whole, avoid wasting resources, greater efficiency, etc. So more altruistic than anything else. Keep someone else from suffering through your pain. (This doesn't necessarily work in the corporate world which is much more competitive) - Shirley Wu

PLoS model - don't determine what is important, just what is valid. In the future, everything will be important to someONE, but we can't know who or when now. They don't want to game their IF at the expense of not publishing science that could help someone eventually. - Shirley Wu

in the life sciences especially, there are so many ways to get things wrong; it's so important to eliminate as many of those paths as possible by getting the negative results out there and published. - Shirley Wu

The perfect paper: negative results + all the things we did to verify the negative result. OR positive results + all the things we tried that didn't work - Shirley Wu

Dangers with publishing negative results: can be very difficult to publish a positive result that contradicts it. What if you just did something wrong? Maybe your result would have been positive too. Things can be negative either because your hypothesis is wrong, OR you did things wrong. - Shirley Wu

Mac Cowell asks: what are the differences between software startups and biotech startups? Jim: no single recipe but typically for both you have to be ok with going for a while without expecting a paycheck to come out of your work. Need a good idea and material to back it up. - Shirley Wu

Initial capital required, investor risk, time to profitability, esp in today's market - Deepak Singh

amongst others :) - Deepak Singh

Be prepared to not get paid for 12 to 18 months. - Ricardo Vidal

Mac follows up: how do you get capital before you get a blockbuster idea? Alex: you need to come up with the blockbuster idea first. Sometimes it takes a while to formulate a really good idea. - Shirley Wu

Andrew: a difference between the two industries - different resources need, much longer time to market, a lot of seed work done in academic environment with funding from the public, unlike software where you can essentially develop everything on your own in your basement - Shirley Wu

I think the investor approach to biotech startups is very random. I wish there were more VCs who understood life sciences and had realistic expectations of risk - Deepak Singh

Quinn: VC for software startups is often very destructive, they often go over the top in their expectations. However, VCs in biotech may be slightly more realistic. - Shirley Wu

I've been around enough VCs in biotech. They are NOT realistic - Deepak Singh

Jim: after you come up with a good idea, sit down and write it up as a business plan before you quit your day job. - Shirley Wu

Question from John Cumbers: these days, a link to an external investment or business is seen as a good thing; but this opens a new can of worms around IP and disclosure. How do you see this relationship between academia and business? is it good? - Shirley Wu

Andrew: it is a problem - makes academics much less willing to talk to each other and share. This is why i'm getting into open source biotech strategies. E.g. nonprofits like OneWorldHealth. - Shirley Wu

http://www.oneworldhealth.org/ - Jamie McQuay

It's not necessarily academics. Uni tech transfer offices are always pushing technologies which are not good enough or not ready for prime time. The IP situation doesn't help. Things get protection that should never be protected. - Deepak Singh

@Deepak: Quinn qualified her VC statement by saying that it doesn't mean biotech VCs are that realistic, just compared to the ridiculous expectations of software VCs. - Shirley Wu

New question: is innovation faster in academic environment or startup environment? - Shirley Wu

Answers: lots of tradeoffs. Things can happen really quickly in a business setting that would get bogged down in grant cycles and administration in academia. at the same time, big corporations have the resources but don't necessarily have the interesting ideas, small companies can't necessarily pursue interesting ideas for lack of resources, etc. - Shirley Wu

@Shirley, maybe should just say all VCs are unrealistic, but it's really hard to bootstrap biotech. Much easier to bootstrap software startups - Deepak Singh

Alex mentions some NIH grants that are geared especially for small companies. Not a lot of people applying for them right now, and you can't apply after you've received investor funding, so it's ideal for startup type folks - Shirley Wu

One thing with SBIRs and small grants. Lots of academics set up shell companies to use those grants to get more money and never really use to innovate. We need seed funding. The biotech equivalents of YCombinator, iphone fund, etc. Get people going and fund for 3 years. Enough time to bake and idea and get some idea of potential - Deepak Singh

Mac follows up: can you talk more about the incubators you know of? Are there organizations that help promising startups through the bureaucracy and the process? - Shirley Wu

@Deepak - there are loopholes in all industries.... - Jamie McQuay

There are incubators that provide resources and space but not usually funding. Plug n' Play is an example incubator for software startups. water cooler effect. office space and internet, some biotech incubators have equipment and bio facilities. for a small monthly rent. - Shirley Wu

Jamie ... indeed. There is an incubator at ISB. There was an incubator at Syracuse while I was there, but it was a bit of a sham - Deepak Singh

Curious to see if anyone has worked with iBridge Networks http://www.ibridgenetwork.org - Deepak Singh

Question: Does location matter? Cambridge, MA, San Diego, SFO seem to be a lot more fertile. Do you have to move there to have a shot? - Deepak Singh

@Deepak - i say yes. I have more contacts in the valley than i ever will being based in Toronto. We are looking to move down the road. - Jamie McQuay

Andrew: $1M is about the minimum you need to start a company with 10 people. - Shirley Wu

Jim: can be desirable to be able to support yourself if you can since VCs complicate everything - Shirley Wu

no VCs in the room... except the guy sitting in front of me ;-) - Jamie McQuay

Question: how does open source biotech change the landscape? - Shirley Wu

Andrew: biotech development always used to be proprietary, now it's not the case. even if it took $1B to develop a drug, it's relatively easy these days for people to raise that much money. - Shirley Wu

New economic model possible with open source biotech. Less overhead on protecting your IP and facilities. Don't need a monopolistic worldview. Can be perfectly successful having just a modest markup/market share. Costs are much lower. - Shirley Wu

Alex: the issue for biotech is both regulatory and risk. Right now everything has to be a home run goal. But what does it actually take to make something that will work and help people? - Shirley Wu

Jim: FDA = pharma, not biotech - Shirley Wu