Robert Scoble
The newspaper industry just gave away another free meal, er Twitter: do they have any left? -
Newspapers need to set up lacanica installs that then can post to Twitter. That way they could get their entire news orgs rolled up in a private label Twitter but still be part of the Twitterverse. - Christian Burns
I've been talking with a few already - they're very interested in this - Jesse Stay
and not for nothin'... but before you would hit JUST the Times for a theatre review, now you hit Critic-o-meter and get the aggregated reviews and get a broader scope of what critical opinion is. - Travis Bedard
Jesse, radio, tv, every media outlet should have their own lacanica - Christian Burns
I just created for this reason - our local TV and print sources weren't providing anything useful. Now I'm going to get them to be the ones paying for distribution through our network (or maybe I can sell to them) - Jesse Stay
lacanica isn't enough. Sorry. It's too late for just a clone of Twitter. That meal was given away. Now they need to do something else and head off the next meal being given away. - Robert Scoble
Robert, oh, I plan on completely adding to the source and giving back to attack things like what you mention. Of course that's as I have time, but I agree with you - it needs much, much more. - Jesse Stay
There is still a benefit to targeting smaller niches though - it's how Facebook started - Jesse Stay
newspapers didnt give any of this away for free - most of it they never owned in the first place (i.e. many things were syndicated through others, eg: comics, weather, traffic, astrology), and the few things that they did own or were primary source for (local news, classified) they either a)dropped the ball in fear of harming print or b)tried but too early/too little (eg: in the uk they got together created a craig's list style global ad platform around 1999/2000, but let it slip on the feature front through the years). - Iphigenie
As I've stated before, this could be implemented in a regular tweet (which could be "attached" to another "regular" tweet with a simple [hashed] unique tag) and transported over standard microblogging platforms, be interoperable between all of them (by lowest common denominators) and be implemented now. The tweet full of the compressed (and encrypted?) data would be read by the client software. If implemented in this way any tweet could add all kinds of metadata. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Joelle: when I say "own" I mean that in my mind that's where we all went to find those things. - Robert Scoble
Fantastic breakdown Robert. Very comprehensive. I find the idea of a private search engine and invisible commenting very attractive. I'm gonna have to think on this more... - Erica OGrady from Friend Deck
it would be easier to find toasters if the post to twitter option in friendfeed had been enabled, suggesting remaining challenges in data portability - Mike Chelen
Mike: Dave did Tweet about the Toaster Oven. You still won't find that with Twitter Search: - Robert Scoble
@Robert - you are right of course, but I just wanted to point out that some of those the newspapers just had no right to use online (eg: comics etc) so they could do nothing. But in other areas (classified especially) they did hand over the market to others - often due to an unwillingness to compete with their print offering. But even if you withhold from competing with yourself, others will jump in. I have seen it in ecommerce (brands not wanting to compete with their outlets) and newspapers, and in the end all you do is hand over the market to third parties who have no qualms competing with you. But we shouldnt diss newspapers too much - they did see the erosion of their revenue coming and tried many things, some wrong, some stupid, some right, some too late, some too early... and nothing worked to stop the money from drying up. But until we have self financing in blogs and the social web, we're not safe from the same fate - after all, many of the big webapps lose more per year than newspapers... - Iphigenie
We mostly only buy the local paper for coupons and Sunday sale ads. All those ads are online at each store's site for free and we really don't use that many coupons. Something that they have reluctantly given away for free is TV listings. - Jon Adair
I like the Twitter-like stack you describe using the bike purchase as an example. It could be a way to get advertisers interested again. A papers' ad side would be interested; the ed side might see a breach in the Chinese wall and wonder how it relates to the editorial product -- or wouldn't it necessarily relate? - Amyloo
I really like your #7 - opening up the whole "news that hasn't happened yet" stream. Who would pay for that? Local businesses, nonprofits, schools, politicians? - tim windsor
covered all bases as usual robert - well done - mike "glemak" dunn
Robert: wow, that is frustrating! why can't twitter search find that post, will that kind of thing be fixed ever? closest services to what is described here might be semantic mediawiki, or freebase, which allow such custom data fields - Mike Chelen
I think you write off laconica far too soon, Scoble. The benefits of having your own microblogging site for brands/interests as big as CNN, The US Govt, Oprah, Leo's Twit Army, or with one's own collection of groups & tagclouds, inter-subscribe-able by other OMB-compliant sites and free of being at the mercy of a company like Twitter's policies and Fail Whales is pretty attractive. Come to think of it, you should have one. - exador23