And in this chat you can click "like" to send it to all your friends, or just keep it for yourself for later. You can see all your likes by visiting your friendfeed home page and clicking on "likes."
- Robert Scoble
Robert can get an e-mail every time I reply to one of his posts
- Jesse Stay
Robert, i've tried so many times to give it a shot. I think friendfeed works best if you're Robert Scoble. otherwise, lots of other folks have followers who don't engage. all the above stuff is great if people engage. but my audience isn't ultra super cutting edge geeky. mostly business folks where Facebook and Twitter is their limit. So any suggestions on how to get folks who aren't "early adopter" minded to engage?
- Christine Lu
Robert can reply to that e-mail and have it appear threaded under the post
- Jesse Stay
The feed / chat feature is amazing. no need to # anything
- Jeff
Jesse: shhh, we wouldn't want to see codemonkeyism get that there's some advanced features here that take some poking around to get. Wait until he sees the search engine here and how much more useful it is than Twitter's (and that's when Twitter's is working).
- Robert Scoble
It works for little fish like me too
- David Damore
My only beef with friend feed is I don't like the iphone client, other than that, its better.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Robert, don't tell him about direct messaging either ;)
- Jesse Stay
We can't let @codemonkeyism know that you can put your friends in lists, so you can manage your users much better.
- Robert Scoble
The search is amazing. Looking for a date, time and place someone tweeted about... it is faster to look on F2 if their content is aggregated here.
- David Damore
Luke: why do you need a client? The page works great on my iPhone and they have both a regular version and an iPhone version. But there are clients coming.
- Robert Scoble
The one thing about this site: Hate the logo, absolutely hate it. Site's alright but it's all about being where the people you want to follow/know are at.
- Chris
I think friendfeed is great for conversations while twitter is awesome for status updates. Both are awesome in their own right.
- sushaantu
Brent: don't tell him about private groups. Wired online and Venture Beat do their editorial meetings in private groups here.
- Robert Scoble
How long until this has 100 comments? Minutes?
- David Damore
Scoble has made it a side quest to convert every twitter follower of his into a Friend Feed member XD
- Reid
Christine: I thought the same, but it's like twitter, you have to have that "aha" moment where you realizie some of the capabilities of a service..I had that about 15 minutes ago, I'm sold
- John Bergoon
I wasn't going to mention the Private groups, at least not yet.
- Brent - Loving Life
Reid: and it's working with a lot of people, but there are still some who say it's nonsense and I make fun of them.
- Robert Scoble
Reid, Scoble never makes anything a side-quest unless it makes sense. Have you considered he may have a reason?
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer: Thanks for the update and high degree of accuracy. :D
- David Damore
Wait until he figures out that search here can be constrained to just specific lists of people you've picked. Wouldn't it be more useful to search for, say, "quilting" among just your quilting friends?
- Robert Scoble
(Hey, it worked on me -_- In fact, I'm not entirely sure I had heard of it before Scoble)
- Reid
dave: you can start a group and you can make it private.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still waiting for it to click... despite having believed you that you love it since we were still back in closed-beta. For me, it's still a "oh, I'd better go check over on FF for that handful of people who love it so much"
- Lucretia Pruitt
Christine I see what you mean about having your followers on ff, but as a follower of Robert and other cool people I get to have a conversation with them here that I would not get to have otherwise
- Jeff
Make sure not to tell them about audio and video in line.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed has become my real-time newspaper. I pick it up as I please, read what seems interesting, chat real-time about the news, and put it down as I please.
- Jesse Stay
dave: then only people who you invite in can see it. For instance, I have a private group at http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web can you see it? If you can, I invited you in.
- Robert Scoble
I love FF but why don't they put the latest activity first and not at the end. As I'm typing I keep getting put beneath the fold...
- Donny Mack
Robert: I just liked the way twitterfon works on the iphone, primary reason I use twitter more than friendfeed is it doesn't work as well on mobile. They make a client that can twitpic, linkshorten with bit.ly and I will most likely not use twitter anymore.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Promise not to show them how you can do multiple photos in one post.
- Louis Gray
Will @codemonkeyism actually read this thread?
- Amit Nangare
Louis: ssssshhhhh, next thing you'll tell them you can do photos. Oh, drat you already did!
- Robert Scoble
At least it's here for good reference and the friendfeeders of the future =]
- Reid
I love the functionality of FriendFeed, but I'll probably never really use it. I agree with Chris that it's about being where your friends are at. Twitter is sufficient for most of them, so that's where I'll be.
- Jamie
interesting! the private group feature is really important for businesses
- dave_blogworld
Jamie: which is why I talk about friendfeed all the time. As soon as all my friends are here, my job will be done. So far I have 40,000 here.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell anybody about the search engine that actually can go back months and months and sort by likes or people, unlike the very broken Twitter search.
- Louis Gray
I have no need for TwitPic with FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Is this conversation threaded? If so, how can I tell which replies belong to which post?
- Jim Lecter
Louis: I can actually find Chinese Earthquake Tweets here (you can't find them on Search.Twitter.com because that engine didn't index that long ago).
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer: Perhaps it is time for SOMEONE to watch your tutorial videos.
- David Damore
If this were a conversation in Twitter, then I could link to an individual comment/status. Can you not do that in here?
- Jamie
Blasphemy Louis! What you say is not possible? (really?)
- Reid
Robert I thought you would be in line to get a Palm Pre tonight
- Jeff
Jim: only a single thread. These all belong to the top level items.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell him the API is much more scalable than Twitter's
- Jesse Stay
anyone mention inline Audio like Podcasts
- Gary Gannon
Micah: Thanks, I'm sitting here thinking how I can start getting my friends to move over..there always giving me a hard time for jumping to the "next" thing :)
- John Bergoon
If you only use twitter maybe FF does not have a lot of value, but if you blog, use 12sec, youtube, vimeo, basically anything social media it is awesome to have all your stuff in 1 place.
- Jeff
And it is late at night in most places
- David Damore
I like Friendfeed because I can take one thread of conversation and share it with another group of friends to start another conversation. http://ff.im/3EdWm
- John Serra
John Serra: True that's a huge feature
- John Bergoon
Sanat: friendfeed can display stuff like trending topics. We call it "best of day" here. But even better, you can build your own customized trending topics. I can do trending topics by lists of people (by displaying only things that have gotten lots of likes). Plus our trends HAVE NO SPAM. Twitter's search engine is full of spam.
- Robert Scoble
XD in what? 10 minutes? (Very pro randomness going on here at FF)
- Reid
John Bergoon, let them know that everybody jumps, and that you just don't like looking in the rear view mirror :)
- Micah Wittman
Sanat - you can also try ffholic.com but that is not run by FriendFeed folks but by a third party and it gives trending topics across friendfeed and lots of other interesting stats.
- Atul Arora
F2 is also good if friends post cool content on those other sites... you visit one place to see all their content aggregated to one place
- David Damore
Which is something else we shouldn't tell that guy. Here we have decentralized moderation. For instance, if a spammer shows up here I can delete the comment. Then I can report him as a spammer. Then I can block him which removes him EVERYWHERE (on Twitter blocking doesn't remove that person from search).
- Robert Scoble
Ah yes, the all powerful BLOCK function
- David Damore
And I can't tell you about the other goodies that FF has to offer
- Brent - Loving Life
I think it was Leo Laporte's definition of Twitter as the online Dial Tone. IMO FriendFeed is far from that, it's broadband conversation set with rich content, way more powerful.
- Majento
In 20 minutes or so everyone in here will be gone and if you missed the interaction, then adding another comment doesn't seem to have much value because who is going to see it (unless you come back in and look at this thread). Whereas with Twitter, commenting later is ok, is just as visible, and is still relevant. Am I off base?
- Jamie
Twitter is a CB Radio. FriendFeed is color television with satellite.
- Louis Gray
Problem is you need another account. Too many plugs in the socket. Facebook and twitter cover 99 of ave non geek people
- The Dude Abides
And we don't have groups of real people meeting each other either
- Brent - Loving Life
Jamie: if you commented on this thread it will be at the top of "My discussions" if you come back later.
- Robert Scoble
Sanat Gersappa, I've found the sharing/re-sharing of the main group I'm subscribed to gives me the pulse of what's going sufficiently. In twitter-style trending topics serve a purpose, but they aren't tuned to my interest, whereas on FF they effectively are.
- Micah Wittman
Louis I was thinking more of FriendFeed is a cell phone, and twitter is a land line
- John Bergoon
If this were actually a fight, Twitter would have had no friends to pick him back up after the beating...
- Reid
Shh, you can click on the time stamp here and it'll open up a separate window of just this thread. Click THAT time stamp again and it'll open up a smaller window which is perfect to participate in these real time sessions.
- Robert Scoble
You can also store links for reading on FF just like a bookmarking service.
- Amit Nangare
Robert how many student from the leadership class are now on friendfeed?
- Jeff
And no one here is interested in Photography or cooking
- Brent - Loving Life
Robert: wow...timestamp click.....Epic win
- John Bergoon
Brent: it will be around forever. Oh, shhhh, another thing, friendfeed trends higher in Google due to all the additional metadata that we're putting in each item here. Oh, and the founders were superstars at Google, so they know a thing or two about search.
- Robert Scoble
And there is some what amazing customer service as well
- Brent - Loving Life
What do you have to do to get conversations to "cascade" out to other parts of FF? On Twitter there is the retweet. How does that work here?
- Jesse P. Luna
OMG I didn't know that one.. Thanks Robert for the second click on the timestamp..
- John Serra
I think FF users are getting caught up craving comments like followers on twitter...its like a game and if they dont get comments they get discouraged...the issue is probably that your thread doesnt engage very well...I learned that this week when I posted this http://friendfeed.com/garygan...
- Gary Gannon
David: right now it says "18 minutes ago" (click on it and you'll see a new window pop up in your browser).
- Robert Scoble
I've tried FF, really I've tried, but I keep giving up and sticking with Twitter. I'll let this thread give me guidance for one more try.
- Don McAllister
Brent: ssshhhh, that's another secret. Friendfeed's founders actually participate here and answer questions. Twitter's founders? Yeah, right.
- Robert Scoble
good to hear that Wired and Venturebeat are using the private room function - another small addition to the credibility of FriendFeed...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Ok, this has been very helpful in learning some of the values of Friendfeed. Definitely has some things Twitter doesn't. But I think the main thing I have learned is that I don't have time for FriendFeed. :) I can keep up with friends much quicker on Twitter - not as rich of information, but that doesn't matter because on Twitter they are (ideally) being more selective in what they post (since they're not posting every 30 seconds like in here). Friendfeed is awesome, but just too much (for me). Just my thoughts.
- Jamie
Can you imagine the power of this thing if 200 million people were on it!
- Stephen Pickering
Brent: yeah, after 190 comments it's hard to say anything else. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Still think you need a manual to figure FriendFeed out. I'm not slamming the service. I get that it has a lot to offer ...if you're an early adopting Scoble loving geek (which I tend to be). So again, friendfeed is great for folks who want to talk to Robert Scoble. That's not a sustainable business model unless someone can tell me how it's going to be adopted by non-early adopters the way Twitter has. Some of us use tech as a tool to talk about other things that aren't tech related. Like me. China. Business. Social media being adopted by non-tech sectors. et al.
- Christine Lu
and I have been back here maybe a month and your point is?
- Brent - Loving Life
Christine: we had the exact same conversations about Twitter two years ago. Remember, Twitter is two years older than friendfeed is. I got to 40,000 followers here MUCH faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, plus, its DEFINITELY not more confusing than Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Christine: Stephen is right. The argument that Twitter is getting adoption because it's simple is bullshit. Twitter only has 30 million people. Facebook, which is far more complex than either friendfeed or Twitter, has 225 million on it.
- Robert Scoble
Christine Lu There are plenty of conversations that Robert Scoble does not even hear about.. Not even in English...
- John Serra
Christine: I see what your saying, Social media in general is a young thing. Its gonna take a while for any of it to really catch on mainstream. I know alot of people who still think that twitter is lame...facebook is what 4 years old now and it's just starting to got really mainstream...but it's going to end up like myspace I think
- John Bergoon
It's like advertising, Olgivy had a famous saying, the first time you see an add you say, "What is this crap!!?" The ninth time you see the add your writing out a check for the product
- Stephen Pickering
Robert -- didn't say people were on Twitter b/c it was simple. heck, most China business and non-tech folks in my areas are still not on Twitter. LOL. Just sayin' Friendfeed isn't for everyone yet. Otherwise i wouldn't feel like i'm talking to myself when i post something on my FF account. LOL.
- Christine Lu
Well, They both make sense to me. Here's why! Twitter is nice if you want to tell your followers or friends what's on your mind, while FriendFeed is nice for conversations and there is no word limit. While FriendFeed is more for RSS (at times.)
- Patrick
from twhirl
Brent: yeah, really, that reminds me of one of my favorite groups here, where people are teaching themselves to do saved searches (aka filters): http://friendfeed.com/ffss
- Robert Scoble
Well there is a limit on the length of a post , but then, oh my god, you start anther comment
- Brent - Loving Life
Christine: I hope friendfeed isn't for everyone. If it were we'd see lame people, assholes, spammers, and other unfriendly types here. It's fine with me if those types stay on Twitter. Twitter isn't going away. Twitter isn't killing Facebook. Friendfeed won't kill Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, when I first joined Twitter I felt like I was talking to myself. During one iteration I actually used it as a a to do list of sorts. Just SMS things into it that I needed to do@
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for the session, folks. Very informative.
- Jamie
Stephen: some day I'm going to try to make a list of all the people who told me that Twitter was the lamest thing they ever saw (in the early days that happened multiple times a day).
- Robert Scoble
There is a large percentage of FF topics that start at twitter
- Brent - Loving Life
stephen: I did the same thing haha twitter = to do list...Twitter as well as FF, I believe, is really only as good as the people you follow and follow you...is that correct?
- John Bergoon
I still talk to myself on Twitter. I guess i'll start on FF and give it another try. It's like LinkedIn for me. I keep going back and trying it and losing interest within a day. I'm going to Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai on geeks on a plane and asking folks in each city if they use FriendFeed. :D Wonder what the answer will be. hmm...
- Christine Lu
And you notice if you make a mistake posting your stuck, you can't edit at all or delete a post
- Brent - Loving Life
Brent: that's a good point. On friendfeed you can edit your tweets, even, to make them more accurate (or, even, to take advantage of the fact that you have more than 140 characters here).
- Robert Scoble
I've used FF like 5 times now, twice to join in on epic threads like this one, and the other times clicking around trying to figure out what to do. This thread is helping on the "what" part, just got to invest the time to figure the "how".
- Jesse P. Luna
Robert, that's so true. I was only there in the early days because I was listening to Leo's show and your blog, but I remember not thinking much of it for that first year
- Stephen Pickering
@Brent, I think you can if you use the website there is a edit button after you post.
- Patrick
from twhirl
Oh, and I love how when Tweets come in here that @scobleizer turns into a link and how when I use a URL shortener the original URL gets displayed here and if it points to a video or photo that is part of the Tweet too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: but the Power Twitter greasemonkey script does all that :P
- John Bergoon
Brent, there are limits to comment length, etc, but they are probably higher than you think (than most people realize): Kol did some great geeky research here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
BTW Christine, folks may not respond to you on Twitter every single time but we listen. Felt as if I was in Hawaii all week. :)
- Jesse P. Luna
Well, this was fun, but gotta run too. Thanks Jesse!
- Robert Scoble
Jesse Luna, stick with it, the richness in conversation and resources is big.
- Micah Wittman
yeah I'm out it's 330 here...thanks Robert..
- John Bergoon
Good night folks.... or should i say Good morning.... :)
- Amit Nangare
For Greasemonkey (Firefox) / Greasekit (Safari) inclined, and for the ff scripts (of mine) I alluded to: http://userscripts.org/users... - hope it helps someone :)
- Micah Wittman
Micah: just installed your botom comment link button and already had your hover reveal installed....small interweb :) thanks
- John Bergoon
Ah, always something new to discover. It makes the ff community a great place. Glad you like them, John. Thanks for letting me know =)
- Micah Wittman
There is one major reason not to be on FF. It's an addictive time-waster. On the other hand, as an addictive time-waster it has more value than playing scrabble or poker on Facebook or reading a stream of mindless status messages on Twitter.
- howard shippin
I have 16,000 followers on Twitter, yet find more valuable information and better conversations on FriendFeed, where far fewer people subscribe to my feed. I use FriendFeed far more than Twitter too. I LOVE FriendFeed - I LIKE Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, you can RT twitter, but you can't Like twitter (on twitter) ;)
- Micah Wittman
The funniest stuff is just the speaking the truth. In a funny way =)
- Micah Wittman
I love Robert (in an appreciative way). He has two sizable conversations going on at the same time! Amazing
- Michael Fidler
The only way I could make sense of FF was when I found imaginary friends. By creating new feeds from RSS or other sources it makes FF much more powerful. Can't link to facebook friends though....I think it's a privacy thing correct?
- Carey Lumeng
This thread is exactly why I don't like Friend Feed. I barely have time to keep up with Twitter -- I like the brevity Twitter enforces. Every time I come to Friend Feed I think of the old days of usenet and how much time it demanded if you wanted to keep up to date.
- Pete Smith
For instance, I absolutely *did not* take the time to read this whole thread.
- Pete Smith
Niether did I. But Freindfeed makes alotta sense.......
- Roberto Bonini
I also don't really think FriendFeed makes sense haha
- Hen Asraf
I would love it if Twitter users would at least sign up on FriendFeed and load their Twitter and Delicious accounts. They don't even have to use FF after that, but at least they've claimed their handles and it saves me from creating a bunch of FF imaginary friends.
- Joel Zehring
@Joel I second that ... Having my twitter feed trickle into FF through an RSS and a few imaginary friends really sucks ...
- Tom Horn
Do we really want Oprah in here though?
- JonInteractive
Pete: you just found another advantage: friendfeed filters out lazy people who don't want to learn something new. That alone explains why the community here is so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
aren't most people lazy though? which really means most people probably shouldn't be on friendfeed. which also implies arguing over its merits is a bit of a waste of time - if you like it, use it and enjoy, but why bother trying to "convert" everyone?
- Jeremy Toeman
Biggest problem with friendfeed is that on the signup page there are no videos, no how-to's, nothing. At least not that I could find.
- Greg DeVore
I just followed 258 comments. On Twitter that would be impossible.
- Sgt Ret
The implication that if a person choses not to read 258 comments on the merits of FriendFeed it means they are lazy is ridiculous. Life is finite. Information is infinite. We all constantly have to select what we feel will enrich our lives, given the short time we're alive.
- Pete Smith
Boy! This conversation sure has grown overnight! Like Sgt Ret said, this would be impossible to follow on Twitter.
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Instead of wondering if friendfeed makes any sense, I'm wondering if friendfeed makes any noise. Plays any sounds, that is.
- Chuck Baggett
This discussion has 264 comments, and 'auto-promote' itself. This is simply impossible to follow in Twitter. FriendFeed does make sense! Even if it's different from Twitter.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I've had FF for about a year or more,haven't used it as much until recently,when I found I was getting followers, it is gre8 for aggregating all of your social networks together & sharing them on twitter in one stop/step.I don't get the commentary as much as I do on twitter,but it's still a gr8 resource,feel free to follow me &share comments,etc ☺(see bio to learn more abt me)
- Patty
from twhirl
Chuck: audio files such as podcasts are supported with embedded friendfeed player =)
- Mike Chelen