since posts that appear in a list are determined by the owner, when another user reads the list, there is no direct control of the content. it has been recommended by another trusted user, and the same is true for posts shown in friendfeed using friend-of-a-friend - Mike Chelen

Mike Taylor's already got a good reasoned post up in response http://friendfeed.com/codebea... - Chris Heath

Chris: and I answered Mike Taylor in his comments there. Good stuff. - Robert Scoble

IRC remains the number one text-only community tool for live collaboration IMO. It has all the features except attachments - and that's a good thing. - randulo

The FOAF inaccuracy in this post is glaring. - Bruce Lewis

This exactly mirrors real life. The degree to which anything is good is the degree to which people work for it. When the trolls etc inevitably come to feed it's your choice: stay and work or leave and cry. If people stay and work then a community can thrive. Exactly as in real life. I've seen this many many times. As in real life what people usually do is move on to once again live off low hanging fruit when the best crops take time. - Todd Hoff

"That’s true, but the more conversations I got involved in the less I found I was learning" - How much do you learn from your family? And a long list of links is equivalent to memorizing all the names of dead presidents, it's anything but learning. What you see is Mike Lee hurting and exploding out. Next he'll be reaching out and Twitter won't be there. - Todd Hoff

Todd: you forget my brother is THE famous ALEX SCOBLE! I learn a lot from my family. Some here, some in private. And you must have missed the hundreds of replies that Mike got. Some things, by the way, are best done over whisky at a bar not online. - Robert Scoble

I think you missed the point about family Robert. The purpose of any group is not always for you to learn. There are many other aspects that need not be consigned to a whisky bar. - Todd Hoff

@Robert - some people don't have the option to do things over whiskey at a bar, but they can interact online. And some tools are better suited to that kind of interaction than others. I can think of one that starts with an F and doesn't end in an K. A lot of people look to make strong connections with others that they simply don't have access to in person. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Posted a comment on the blog. Long story short, the DATA (activity and content) has changed but you haven't changed your filters to help transform that data into information. The problem isn't FriendFeed it's the fact that you've calcified and haven't kept up with your filters. Full blog comment here: http://scobleizer.com/2009... - AJ Kohn

My long-winded response and plea: http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc... - Fa La La La Lindsay

It appears Robert believes that he will be able to influence others through the curating of Twitter lists. In my opinion the type of people who cannot create and filter their own community are not worth influencing. I think the list feature is useful but so far I have no desire to subscribe to anyone else's Twitter lists. - scott anderson

scott: you can believe that all you want. Doesn't make you right. http://listorious.com is doing awesome. - Robert Scoble

"you can believe that all you want. Doesn't make you right" A statement that can apply to many people on several different subjects. Perhaps it's come to a point, Robert, where it's best for you to agree to disagree regarding the data, fate, and demise of FriendFeed. Because you've chosen to move on to the next shiny thing doesn't mean that everyone else has to do the same. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

True - Robert Scoble

What Tina said + How is listorious any better than the SUL? It seems to me like a circle-jerk of the perpetual group of A-List bloggers reinventing themselves as curators in a social capital land grab. I could be wrong tho'. - scott anderson

scott: almost none of the Listorius lists are done by A-list bloggers. But, thanks for playing. 6.5 million lists have been created in a weekend. You think those were created by only A-lsters? Dream on! - Robert Scoble

And what's the difference between the SUL? Well, for one, there's only ONE SUL and there's 6.5 million lists already with more every minute. The SUL is offered in Twitter's startup UI. Lists are not. The SUL gifts its members millions of followers every year. So far I've gotten a slight bump from lists, but not nearly as big as being on the SUL. - Robert Scoble

I like the list feature. I find it useful for organizing the people I follow. I just don't have any interest in subscribing to other people's lists. I was comparing listorious with SUL, not the list feature with SUL. - scott anderson

Listorious presents thousands (soon to be millions) of lists. The SUL only presents one. It's funny you can't see the difference between that. - Robert Scoble

Looking at the front page it *appears* that Tim O'Reilly, a tech publisher, is in charge of curating tech news. You don't see a problem with that?? - scott anderson

I don't understand why you'd want to follow somebody else's lists. Wouldn't that just clutter up your view with a bunch of stuff you don't control? Or does it keep those lists separate, like your own lists are separate from your follows? - Otto

Be sure to read Brandon Mendelson's (a former SUL member) post on Lists here: http://www.soapboxincluded.com/2009... - Jesse Stay

randulo: no platforms can match irc for low-latency communication besides im protocols such as xmpp ... and friendfeed! - Mike Chelen

Robert: just stand by for the SLL (suggested list list) - Mike Chelen

Otto: there is complete control in that you may choose to follow or unfollow the list at any time, with additional granularity offered through following individual accounts - Mike Chelen

Robert I reread your post again and several things jumped out: 1) "Compare that feed to your average Facebook feed and you’ll see it in stark black and white: your Facebook feed is “fun” but isn’t teaching you much." Really? Well, you must be using Facebook differently than I do. I somehow have managed to collect the pages and the friends and the groups I enjoy and its providing me with both relationship, feedback and learning opportunities. True, I don't play Mafia Wars or even have time for Farmville, but I maintain two pages and a nonprofit group page. So it seems it is what you make of it. 2) "You don’t see anyone entering a conversation that should be viewed on its own in its own totality." Robert, that was indeed sad. I have a number of lines of information flow on Twitter, Facebook, and FriendFeed where discussion DOES go back on all three about the state of health of family members, friends, and even people I don't even know in crisis. Do you know what they appreciate? Support and prayers. That calls for interaction through a comforting tweet or comment indicating you are pulling for them, praying for them. Indeed, most of my followers will even ask for that support. So I have trouble understanding why you believe that the rules of response and engagement should follow what you laid down as the ground rules. That just isn't the experience and mode of communication the people I know expect on any Social media outlet 140 characters or not. Sometimes things that exist are good for people, sometimes they are not. I don't doubt with your subscriber list, you want some management...but shouldn't that alone tell you something? What I hear is "I want" and "I don't want". Secrecy, privacy, filtration, lists, elitism. The question the becomes: Just what kind of online world do you want built? What kind of behavior are we encouraging with these tools? Intellectual segregation? Moral segregation? Because with the listing that's what you get. Do I want to see something... more... - Melanie Reed

I want to add that I respect the job you provide to the online community, the observations you make. You are gifted in this area. But I see that more as a guidance value rather than as counselor and decision maker for users. Those jobs seem more important for the production side of social media rather than its use. - Melanie Reed