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Robert Scoble
Palm Pre. Good, but won't get me off the iphone. More:
Why/why not? - Manuel Mas
I was thinking about looking at it but then I discovered it doesn't have an Apple logo on it :) - Mike Bracco
Unfortunately, the Pre isn't available here, so I can't really compare it to the iPhone (especially considering I don't own an iPhone). - MλTT
I can think of 50,000 reasons and with a installed user base of 50,000,000 how much incentive do you think developers have to move? - Geoff Schultz
The keyboard sucks. The layout really wasn't thought out very well. The iPhone's bigger screen is much better for web work. - Robert Scoble
I tested the Pre a bit and I found its form factor to be great and as many have said, it feels great on the hand. The keyboard is small yet I prefer it to having no physical keyboard. Love the touch screen and how it makes a ripple where you are pressuring the screen (as a pointer) and how you can multitask/close apps with a flick of the finger. Browser is a bit slow compared to Safari in my opinion. Overall is a great little phone. - Manuel Mas
The font is nice though.. - Harald Nesland
I see the "smart phone" market as essentially just a small computer. In that sense, it doesn't make sense to have more than a couple players (i.e. a couple OSs). I think it will play out just like computers did. You will have Apple and someone else - maybe a third player. - Mike Bracco
Posting comments to friendfeed has failed four times now. It is buggy that way. - Robert Scoble
Pre browser should be faster, according to previews. - bnoise
its a conspiracy Robert ;) - Tyler Gillies
Yeah Yeah, everyone said the iPhone's keyboard sucked too but everyone uses it. - Dennis Jackson
The browser seems a little faster, yes - Robert Scoble
i liked iphone keyboard since day one - Tyler Gillies
Maybe so, Dennis, but the iPhone's keyboard can be customised with ease at any time, while the Pre has an actual keyboard, which can't really be modded at all. - MλTT
Bought it last Sat. Nice phone. Beautiful screen, love the sliding form factor and have found the keyboard useful. Browser works great, but it is a tad slow. Flash support is coming, so that will help the browser more. Wish it Live Search Mobile. - George Gray
Good point Matt - Manuel Mas
Robert where you using the mobile site to post comments to friendfeed? - Dennis Jackson
If I were a rich man, I would buy all the Pres and iPhones I could. I'll hopefully be getting the 3GS in 2 weeks, when it's released here, because I've been saving since the 3G was released last year. - MλTT
Check out AV forums on universal remotes for the battle royal over touchscreen vs physical keys. More heated than politics. - Robert Hafer
I just really think the hardware and OS is of secondary importance these days. There are 3 great OS's (at least) and plenty of good hardware. But like the console wars of years past...its all about the games. Or in this case the Apps. - Geoff Schultz
Dennis: no, just the regular site. I +hate+ mobile versions of sites. - Robert Scoble
Well that's sad, because the majority of the iPhone apps are completely useless. - Dennis Jackson
Mobistar - A cellular operator in Belgium announced the Iphone 3GS "available this summer". it means Unlocked ( SIM Free ) 3GS's will be available for the Global Road Warriors - SnakeDoc
I actually really like FF's mobile site on the iPhone. - Kevin Whalen
The Palm Pre will do very well. But not for me. Why? There are millions of people who just want a phone. Or that hate AT&T. Or that hate Apple. Or that hate optical keyboards. - Robert Scoble
Dennis the majority of software EVERYWHERE is useless. That isnt exclusive to any device or platform. - Geoff Schultz
Dennis if you have 40,000 apps everyone can find 10 that are good. iPhone is way ahead there. - Robert Scoble
Very satisfied with the Palm Pre so far. The Tweed Twitter app is good. Pandora, Evernote, LinkedIn, and many other helpful apps are there already. iPhone iUI web apps like my http://imusicmash.com work on it. Hoping the webOS will make it easier for folks to innovate with plain old Javascript, CSS, HTML, without having to learn iPhone centric Objective C. The keyboard makes IM and everything a better user experience in my opinion. No dropped phone calls all week. Good review by Matt Maroon here: http://mattmaroon.com/2009... - Al
My biggest question is, why would Palm get so close to releasing the Pre and not be really promoting it to the developer world? I just think they (Palm) missed the opportunity for a great release with an awesome little device. I want to think they are going to think a little more out of the box after they have seen the comments on the phone. Do you think they will be able to stick around for the next release (Post?) Looks like a little coffin with a keyboard and on the cover it would say something like "Palm, We could have had it all but we needed another OS" - Pentaxfan
It's really not a competition or child's game to root for iPhone or the Pre. It's your preference and what works best for you. Palm aced with Pre and it will only get better. For iPhone users who are keeping score, remember the glitches of first generation iPhone? Palm Pre is using first ever webOS and most apps are on beta. If you're a developer you know fixes are often needed after first release. My two cents? Don't shoot Pre yet. If you are an iPhone user/fan, so be it. But, you don't have to trash Pre (we all know that would be highly exaggerated), to score for iPhone. One of the best comp I've read of the two devices http://3.ly/jgR. Bottom line though, choose what works best for you, be it some other smartphone than Pre or iPhone. - Moushumi Kabir
It sure beats the android though with that dumb chin. - Jim Hague
I much prefer the Pre to the iPhone personally. - Nation Hahn
Jim, Android is an OS not a phone. - Stuart
Jim: Stuart is right. There are going to be about 12 different Android devices soon (probably more, since Android is an open source OS the phone manufacturers don't need to tell Google about the devices they are building with it). Android is getting more and more interesting to me. It sure is nice to have some competition for the iPhone too. - Robert Scoble
Palm Pre. Good, but won't get me off the HTC HD. - Amit Morson
What about Nokia N97 then - Stelios Kiousis
I frequently find myself correcting people with "No, Android is an operating system, not a handset..." -- often to blank stares of complete incomprehension. I blame Apple. - Christopher A Carr
Quite the change from January... "Palm is a lot nicer than iPhone. I want one. The web and social networking features are killer." http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... "Anyone who says Palm's new Pre isn't a better experience than the iPhone either hasn't tried both or is an idiot or is both." http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... "Why does every great product have skeptics and haters?" http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... What happened between then and now? - Bwana ☠
Bwana: I'll still stand by those statements. It is nicer in a lot of places than the iPhone. The camera is far far far superior. The OS itself is superior. The phone itself is superior. The apps are not. And the keyboard, after using it all day, is not (IMO) and since I use a ton of apps and the keyboard isn't as big a deal as I thought in January I'm backtracking a bit. The contact app is nicer. Oh, and what else changed since January? iPhone 3.0 was announced and is about to ship in a new iPhone 3Gs. - Robert Scoble
Wow, the keyboard must be really bad :( - Bwana ☠
The apps I can understand though, it's kind of unfair when comparing to the iPhone... it's kind of a unnatural thing we're witnessing with Apple - Bwana ☠
Bwana: it's not that bad. It's just that I've gotten used to the iPhone keyboard and I can type faster on it than I can on the Palm. But I know many people who vehemently disagree with me over the keyboard. So, even if you hand that one to Palm, there's still the app problem. - Robert Scoble
Quote: "Oh, and what else changed since January? iPhone 3.0 was announced and is about to ship in a new iPhone 3Gs" -- and? do you want one for testing? :-D -- I wish I could test a Pre, but it won't be available here in Italy until a year, and at the moment I actually don't know how to choose among iphone and magic/android (palm pre not available as said). - Markingegno - Donato
Markingegno: I'm getting an iPhone 3.0 (paid for it with my own money). - Robert Scoble
The number of poor apps argument kind of baffles me. When I have 150+ apps that I deem useful, suddenly it's very much about the platform and less about the phone. Doesn't really matter that there are another 39,850 apps that do not appeal to me. Plus it goes without saying that everyone has a different 150 apps that they have downloaded. - Jamie
I switched from a Blackberry Bold - which has a tremendous keyboard - to the Pre. I got used to the Pre keyboard very quickly and prefer it to the iPhone. - Nation Hahn
"[the keyboard is] not that bad. It's just that I've gotten used to the iPhone keyboard" -- Bingo - Ken Sheppardson
The screens are both 320x480. The Pre's is 3.1", the iPhone's is 3.5". The Pre screen held at 16" will look the same as the iPhone held at 18". - Ken Sheppardson
Correct me if I'm wrong... iPhone launch - June 2007, iPhone SDK launch - March 2008 - Ken Sheppardson
Number of iPhone apps available the week it launched in June 2007 = ? - Ken Sheppardson
@Robert I'm just envious because you could test a Palm Pre :) - Markingegno - Donato
Yeah, I know... things are different now. If the Pre wants to kill the iPhone, they need to step it up. Thing is, they don't necessarily want or need to kill the iPhone. The good news for those of us who like the Pre and webOS is Palm's selling them as fast as they can make them. If they can keep that up, good things will happen. - Ken Sheppardson