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Robert Scoble
The blog editing system in action - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Sometimes Robert, you just absolutely nail it. One thing, though, is sometimes after we have fact-checked and edited an article for clarity, someone is still unhappy with how we used their words. There is a difference from correcting an error and letting everyone have their say and take over the story YOU want to get across, no? Am I wrong? Also, could I get a DVD of the Interviews at some point? - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: hmm, I'll try to get a DVD, but they are all online, and are downloadable. - Robert Scoble
I've tried with the HD, I think I may be hitting a bandwidth cap. BTW, the Adelstein interview was a HUGE hit at the office, especially with Rocky lingering on the CommDaily "He's Toast" framed copy for a bit. Adelstein is truly a nice guy. - Andrew Feinberg
great post Robert. I'd like to know why are bloggers still not recognized as 'real journalists' ? - Imran Hussain from feedalizr
Imran: because bloggers aren't accountable to anyone other than their readers. It drives people who have bosses nuts. But things are changing. Bosses are learning that they better have bloggers if they want to be competitive. Many "professionals" are now doing blogs too. - Robert Scoble
Robert: That is false. Bloggers can be accountable to editors and standards. Blogging is simply another way of writing and reporting. Some amateurs can be great at it while many, many professional journos absolutely suck. But at the end of the day, we are ALL accountable to readers, no matter what we do. - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: yes, but in the old world blogging was ALWAYS the individual voice of a person. Not something that was edited, or that was done by a group. Unfortunately that original definition has gotten stretched lately has blogs have turned into professional media outlets. My blog is NOT edited or fact checked before publication. I know some are, but I don't like that and don't think they are actually able to really blog the way I am. One way those blogs are limited? They aren't able to publish late on Saturday - Robert Scoble
Imran: And because blogging and journalism are just two different beasts. Bloggers and journalists do different things and they do them differently. Not that this is a put-down on blogging—journalism and novel-writing are different, for instance, but one is not greater than the other. - Joel Falconer
Joel: blogging does not have to be different from journalism. Sometimes they are the same. Often blogs, though, are more like columns or opinion pieces in newspapers. - Robert Scoble
Bloggers who work for ZDNet or the likes are supposed to adhere to standards. Specially when there are readers who act as grammar police and find any possible mistakes in our fact findings. And our editors ( I work under an editor ) pinpoint those mistakes, it really makes ys accountable for what ever we write. And as Andrew says, we are accountable to readers. All this makes us real journalists doesn't it? - Imran Hussain
Imran: when you work for a brand, yes, you live under different rules than if you're just an independent blogger. Yup, when there's a paycheck involved life does change, doesn't it? Especially when other people are involved. I know that now I have Rocky to worry about in addition to my own hide, I'm a bit more conservative. - Robert Scoble
Robert, your reluctance to fact-check doesn't speak to a "blogger ethos" as much as wanting to be held to a lower standard, to have an "out." Not to paraphrase the rude comment from the other night, but isn't there a desire to say what you want to say, and make sure you are RIGHT so you can't be attacked? Cover your bases. Fact check yourself. If you're not sure, FIND OUT. It's your name and reputation, why trust the "crowd" to save you from a blunder? - Andrew Feinberg
You're right, Robert—I was thinking more of news journalists and less about feature journalists for a moment there. In case it seems like I was taking the anti-blogger route, to clarify I make a full-time living as a blogger and thus have nothing against it. ;) - Joel Falconer
Andrew: what's funny is how many PR people came up to me after the panel discussion to tell me stories of how often the mainstream press gets it wrong. EVERYONE in this business gets things wrong, or doesn't get a complete picture. And what I do on my blog is give you my view of the world. If I waited to publish my blog until I had checked with every possible source and every possible fact was checked I'd never publish. - Robert Scoble
Robert: nowadays we see blogs covering and organizing lots of events, as much as the news they cover. So, blogs have become more than opinion pieces now. They break news, which really makes them sometimes better then paper journalists, which are normally late to cover them up. And don't 'real journalists' look for blogs now to gather news as well? - Imran Hussain from feedalizr
Oh, MSM F*cks it royally quite often. I think the difference is between personal blogs such as yours that have a following, and blogs that are extensions of traditional media forms that cover topics ZYX. If you are writing your feelings and opinion, it's ok to be wrong. But if you are asserting something as fact, you'd better damn well sure check it. I trust your judgement, but I fear others see people like you and think that there are "no rules" because it's:just a blog." - Andrew Feinberg
You're part right. Part of the problem is that although the original source of an erroneous story might correct, the thousands of posts which post about it rarely do. That's not just a problem for bloggers, of course - it applies equally to MSM posts - but it still means that erroneous facts can become widespread and accepted as truth by a lot of people who never read the original (corrected) source. - Ian Betteridge
I think anymore that when some of the reporters in MSM talk about blogs they sound like people who can't read or write making fun of "them literate yuppies". Think about that. I'm not being elitist, it's just true anymore. Blogs do get corrected a WAY faster than the material in MSM. - phil baumann
having your readers correct legit mistakes/oversights like hornik is indeed an awesome case for why blogging is better. However too many people hear this argument and think that presenting innuendo, rumors, and half stories as factual is ok-"if I'm wrong they can comment". Dave's blog is so great because it's all about his view (a column) but lots of people ( tech and politics blogs especially) think they are news reporters and they do a disservice. I'll take "real journalists" over them any day. I'd like to see the worlds continue to merge, edited reporting appearing in blog/ff/twitter with discussion - Scott Gatz
It kind of surprises me that you would be proud that you do not do fact checking, that is kind of saying "I don't care about the facts" isn't it? Besides, I would be surprised if you are not being dishonest with yourself. Even as you write, your brain is constantly asking "Is this truthful?" and making sure your fingers type it right. Furthermore, you edit your words, even before they come out your fingertips - not many typos/grammatical errors in your posts so you obviously do at least mental editing. - William Reveal
When I say I don't do fact checking I was specifically talking about having an editor who checks all my facts. That is what happens at Fast Company. Of course I try to make sure my facts are correct but I don't know any blogger who has his/her writing checked over before publishing (at least not the independent kind of bloggers who post on Saturday evening). - Robert Scoble
Robert, I have to do a mea culpa. I skipped over your comment on your blog to Victor and would have seen that you do in fact care about getting it right. As you said in your posting, people like me sometimes miss important things by not reading the comments - but I personally would have liked to see you say clearly in your main posting, blogging is not an excuse for not caring about the facts or writing well - rather, it's correction mechanism is better. - William Reveal
I guess I should mention that I'm a blogger turned "real journalist" and I'm keenly aware of many of the subtleties here...I wish my day job was more like a blog and we could break news as we report it. I wish many blogs didn't have the "damn the torpedoes" attitude towards disclosure and fact-check that some do (I disclosed Conflicts as an independent blogger). I'm a firm believer in equality for independent blogger, but for that to happen they need to have a larger collective voice, a standards body(cont) - Andrew Feinberg
Cains: how many people get those AP updates? Near zero unless the are on Google News. - Robert Scoble
that they can join if they want to be both "blogger" and "media." They don't have to write like journalists, but collectively those who want to do the things that I can now do as a print journo that I couldn't do as a blogger (and I WANT them to be there with me) need to take a look and say "what can we do to match expectations of standards/ethics without compromising what makes us unique." Maybe a system of trusted peer-review? Groups ARE more powerful. The right group / message can tear down the wall. - Andrew Feinberg
I WANT Robert to be able to post on a Saturday night. I also want Robert, or someone like him to be able to walk into the Capitol with me without weeks of arrangements. The Press Accreditation process for Congress is INSANE and designed for whoever is in charge to keep out whomever they want. However, the SPEAKER (I believe her name is Pelosi, D-Calif., has the power under her office to create a "new media" gallery that can set its own standards. Call the Speaker and your Congressman if you care. - Andrew Feinberg
It's great that you're thinking about this stuff. Corrections tend to run faily quickly in print newspapers, magazines are on a three month lead so yes, it by nature takes that long. I don't agree that having your audience correct wrongful things in a post is a good thing. As information sources people are basing decisions on and believing, I still believe it's a responsibility of whatever is producing that content to be as accurate as possible, as well as well researched, etc. I wouldn't dream of writing about something, be it on my blog or in a professional media platform (i do both) without knowing for sure what i was saying. - Patricia