hi there! - Virtualgoodz

Twitter or Friendfeed aren't "too fast" if you cut the fat and only follow the most interesting people and rooms. - Marcos Marado

Marcos: I was arguing protocols. Your Tweets show up here in FriendFeed via XMPP, not RSS. Why? XMPP is a lot faster. - Robert Scoble

Wonder if one will eventually approach a way to basically chat using these services. GTalk is XMPP already, right? - Monia

Friendfeed and Twitter have really opened my eyes to this - I'm seeing stuff show up in Google Reader hours after I've already read them thanks to FF. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Robert, it is not that RSS is not fast enough, but it is the wrong approach for a "live web". XMPP gives us the pub/sub model so that you know the moment of publish. For RSS readers, they typically poll the RSS source at regular intervals. Look at FriendFeed, they poll RSS feeds every 30 minutes or so. - Rob Diana

Rob: exactly, but my Tweets usually show up here within a few seconds of posting on Twitter. 30 minutes is too slow for the live web. - Robert Scoble

Scoble I totally agree, 30 minutes is too slow for a live web. Just used FF as an example of "fast" RSS. Also, if you do not mind, can I call you Scoble instead of Robert? Damned confusing, seems like I am talking to myself sometimes. - Rob Diana

Rob, you can call me whatever you want. Problem with "Scoble" is that there are a few other people here who have that last name. :-) - Robert Scoble

Let's call him "Robble". - Daniel J. Pritchett

FF's SUP protocol will fix RSS latency for platforms that support it, like mine. - Bruce Lewis via fftogo

The "Live Web" has been silo-based because it's trivial to do (Twitter,MySpace,Facebook) and Robert Scoble's right about XMPP being the solution. Yammer is doing it best (technically) right now via Jack Moffitt's Strophe, Twitter has dropped the XMPP ball but will probably pick it up again, Identi.ca is running with XMPP and it's hard but the users LOVE it (when it works). The takeaway is that XMPP is hard/complex, Seesmic is advancing the technology, and the libraries are getting better from recent uptake. - Brian Hendrickson

I would love to see a "chat" protocol for commenting on anything - Blog, Twitter, Facebook etc... some sort of "conversation" framework. - Ron West

Identi.ca is built on just such an open "chat" protocol http://is.gd/2Zy0 -- it's 2 months old but has been implemented in several forms already, and Drupal is building it into their platform. It feeds traffic back into XMPP and definitely qualifies as "Live Web", the problem is getting the "biggies" to feed their statuses, comments into it. - Brian Hendrickson