Nervous? Nah, you americans probably handle being in the limelight and speeches etc. much better than us isolated and nocturnal norwegians ;) but truth be told, I only seriously got the jitters half an hour before she came up the aisle of the church.
- Thomas Bøhm
from iPhone
Nervous, excited, stressed, ready for it to be done...all of the above. :) Going to be a long week. Can't wait for all the family and friends to get here.
- Alex Scoble
Is it a one day affair or a weekend with several parties ?
- Thomas Bøhm
We have bachelor bowling for the gents and Zoo Lights for the ladies on Thursday, rehearsal dinner on Friday and then the real deal on Saturday.
- Alex Scoble
The most important thing IMO... keep reminding yourself to settle down and enjoy the time/events/people who show up. It's such a crazy whirlwind when it's all going on you've got to focus on not letting it just wash over you. During the reception, Al and I would find each other and center ourselves to make sure we would be able to soak it in. It's the best.
- SAM
If your buddies are anything like mine: Keep control of the wine flow to that part of the table ! "Funny" comments during your speech is not what a nervous groom needs:) Anyway, after the speech it was a delightful evening where everything was arranged for us and I didn´t have to worry about anything. Doesn´t happen often.
- Thomas Bøhm
Yes! Set your brother to ustream it :)
- Thomas Bøhm
thats a great way to showcase the wedding ,, well done .. congrats and best wishes ..
- johnpiercy
I'm so happy for you, Alex. I would tune in for ustream but I have a feeling your whole crew will have a lot going on that day. :) Congratulations!
- Holly Rae, FFer
Haha. Just wanted to rub the observation in. Glad you still acknowledge that FF is an easy tool to use, I'm 100% behind you these days on the conversation ratio is too low to stay on the service as often though, it just not as interesting anymore. It just proves that technology is only as effective as it's audience makes it.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It's also interesting in the context of the fact DirecTV viewers no longer get the Versus sports network, as they couldn't negoiate a deal with Comcast
- Ken Sheppardson
ask Al Gore how he feels about their negotiations re: Current TV
- Karoli
Comcast is very aggressive in keeping out local competitors - they have bought every local cable company or forced them out. They have locked out all local sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, here in San Francisco we couldn't get the Stanford/Cal game this fall... it was on Versus. And it means no daily, live Tour de France coverage next July :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
It was "rooter" before people started to mispronounce it.
- Gregg H.
I wonder what this means for their TV On Demand section - currently NBC is not listed for any shows and CBS is very big in that list. Will this change and now NBC will only be On Demand? Will Hulu now be a Comcast Cable only site?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The Network has changed to the point that combining cable + tv production can't corner the market in anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
consolidation of power and message control
- Karoli
cliff, if i have no access to nbc news because i'm not a comcast subscriber, the messages aren't especially helpful.
- Karoli
Don't you have access to NBC news via the network?
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff - they already "load balance" based on where/when you are streaming from/to - so now what's to prevent them from load balancing all ABC/CBS sites in favour of NBC?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Francine, the argument against the acquistion is that they'll control the Network. They won't.
- Cliff Gerrish
That's a good question - will Comcast/NBC still allow Netflix/Mediafly content to be streamed at full speed or will it become traffic shaped
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
you mean will the net be.. you know... neutral?
- Ken Sheppardson
Google will spank properties that throttle - that alone will keep them playing fair.
- Rob La Gesse
All proprietary un-free software and platforms will lose in the long run.
- Gregg H.
Windows is dog slow on good rigs, whereas Chrome OS is fast even on weak hardware.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Cliff, they already do. If I am watching a streaming video for more than 5 minutes I get traffic shaped. If i'm watching Comcast On Demand I do not. Will Hulu now be traffic shaped or will it get a pass? That what will be the clue if they are acting in a network neutral manner
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Francine - it is basically throttling of your bandwidth based on content and/or destination
- Rob La Gesse
Francine - if i'm streaming a video on Comcast the first 5 or so minutes are at my full bandwidth capability (15mbs) but if I continue past that point the speed of the video drops to less than 1mbs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But Silverlight is from Microsoft. How can it be good?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Amazing Silverlight is actually seeing some traction. Developer Cuz predicted it would 2 years ago.
- JimmyJet
When Google switches Youtube videos to Ogg Theora natively palyabe in HTML 5 Browsers I think Gillmor and others that deride the importance of free software codecs and platforms will have a revelation
- Gregg H.
bah - I have to run an errand - I wish the video show could be viewed later
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wish those questions had been asked in 2001
- Karoli
Bear - it can - they are always posted on building43.com a few days later.
- Rob La Gesse
Gillmor Gang is available on YouTube - your DVR of choice...
- Cliff Gerrish
google'll be using h264 and html5 video before any os codec
- Kevin Marks
Silverlight is as un-free as you can get.
- Gregg H.
Mike - use a hand grenade, Those suckers are tough!
- Rob La Gesse
seriously, take a pair of scissors and cut it. It works. surgically, even.
- Karoli
Is locked down linux an open system?
- Cliff Gerrish
The importance of the use of our computer devices in our lives are fundamental. That's why the software and hardware has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. The software and hardware providers control our lives. That's the problem Steve.
- Gregg H.
But you need a real computer to debug anything. You couldn't actually debug from within Chrome OS.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Is ChromeOS going to give you access to the command line?
- Cliff Gerrish
Gregg - that's crazy. As crazy as "free" healthcare.
- Rob La Gesse
strange disconnect between these guys talking about high tech and Mike opening a plastic insane package with his teeth.
- Karoli
The importance of the use of cars, homes, electricity and food in our lives are fundamental. That's why cars, homes, electricity and food has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. [oh, "free" free]
- Ken Sheppardson
Chromium is NOT free. I pay for it with my attention and my gestures - and Google profits off both.
- Rob La Gesse
"opening a plastic insane package with his teeth" Either a good way to take out aggression or raise blood pressure, take your choice.
- JimmyJet
the livestream from SuperNova has been great. Good panels and very good discussions.
- Jerry Schuman
If we understand that phones are going to the Network -- why don't we see that television is going there as well.
- Cliff Gerrish
Aside from a philosophical view. After being Windows free for 2 years and being free of malware, spyware, adware, and not having to run virus scan software and all that crap, I really don't understand why people like Gillmor think Linux is second class to Windows. I would never want the pain and horrible experience of using Windows again purely for practical reasons.
- Gregg H.
Gregg, I understand Windows 7 is quite nice. I'm planning to buy a cheap Windows 7 notebook as a backup machine.
- Karoli
You guys should talk a bit about Status.net, formerly Laconi.ca. Evan Proudomu just got over $1 Mil in VC. It could wind up being a very viable free federated decentralized competitor to Twitter.
- Gregg H.
Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
How long does it take for them to send the invite?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
"Twitter is over capacity. Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again." Didn't know people had so much to say about Charlie Weis
- David Damore
It's been down for at least five minutes already. This is the longest I've seen the fail whale in months.
- Robert Scoble
so are you starting to get the shakes? How long can you go without tweeting?
- Ben Reierson
Responding to high error rate 21 seconds ago Starting about 10 minutes ago, we began experiencing a very high rate of errors and we are working on the underlying problem.
- David Damore
would be more productivity if there was no FF ( twitter backup )
- Mihai Secasiu
So what was trending when it went down?
- phil baumann
Dave - sure. Interesting use case. Definitely spam would be something Google would have to work on.
- phil baumann
not sure what was trending but there was quite a lot of activity on #Spill - in Oz our opposition party is having a meltdown and are spilling the leadership in 30 mins time
- Hilary Talbot
Phil: That was really interesting. Surprised that that shooting never gained traction on Twitter. Did it ever trend? Seems like it was all about Mr. Woods the past few days.... and shopping
- David Damore
Hi everyone. Hope you are all surviving without twitter lol. Great to see you all here.
- snysctt
Glad FF is the backup! </sarcasm> ...seriously though, I'd prefer people do one or the other. I don't reply to most of your comments because you're on Twitter and I refuse to get a Twitter account. Lame service.
- Scott Carmichael
This is a sample of all that is wrong with Twitter -- is there any meaning in this post? Or do I have to follow a dozen different people and read a dozen websites to figure it out. I know this can happen here as well sometimes -- but come in -- this is like morse code.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah it looks awful. Is Scoble talking to Codybrown with the usage of :, is he RTing CodyBrown? Perhaps RTing Arrington?
- Mark
Brian: this is on my Favorites Feed. It's an Twitter-to-RSS-to-FriendFeed translation problem. If you read my Favorites feed directly at http://twitter.com/scoblei... you would see exactly what this is about. But, seriously, this post is a retweet by @CodyBrown who agrees with @arrington who is bitching about the New York Times, who wrote an article without crediting TechCrunch's work on this topic (TechCrunch is the one who broke this story and pushed it along).
- Robert Scoble
I guess the real solution is to hide this feed then.
- Brian Sullivan
I agree with Brian Sullivan. Twitter is just too hard to follow the conversation.
- Leigh Marriner
Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox.
- Tudor Bosman
That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys!
- Zackatoustra
FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!!
- Renchin(Reina)Wang
So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-))
- ianf ⌘
TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality.
- AJ Kohn
Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house!
- Brian Solis
(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...)
- Louis Gray
علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعیه؟ :)))
- Mehran
:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم
- Aly
I am beginning to finally get it... If you post on Friendfeed you get comments... If you post on Twitter, you get followers. If you are marketing something (e.g. your blog/brand, your product/service) getting followers is much better than getting comments.
You need to than unfollow those users...:)) Twitter is a lot more about broadcasting and getting followers is like a drug.. the more you broadcast the more followers you get :)
- Bindu Reddy
Getting followers doesn't really mean anything: 390 of the 400 followers I have on Twitter never act or do anything with what I say on it. Getting them to convert is the meaningful part of the marketing proposition, and conversations, I've found, are far more effective at that.
- Mark Trapp
So, what's the FAQ for interaction on Twitter? I had a post that got 100+ comments the other day here on Friendfeed but no response on Twitter. I must be doing something wrong over there.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
twitter seems to be great for people who are lazy and not really savvy about marketing. it's sort of like shouting into the void, and you might get a few people to respond, but do you really get people to act?
- Bren, Not Grinchy
@Mark, I agree with you.. However to a lot of people having a follower number like 10K/20K, which seems like a relatively easily thing to do on Twitter, is not only just a high but it is also a good way to keep in touch with your audience without spending too much time... Here keeping in touch with your audience is way more time consuming
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, but keeping in touch doesn't mean anything if they're not listening. You can have a million followers, but if you're not getting any of them to act on what you're saying, it doesn't mean much. Getting conversations going with people, who may or may not be followers, which Twitter is pretty bad at, are more effective at getting people to convert. I just had a relatively popular...
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- Mark Trapp
Bindu, I'm following you (FF) and I just commented too :)
- Micah Wittman
@Mark, Curious how did you get them to go to your website?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, if I knew that I'd have it made. Near as I can tell, people were doing Twitter and Google searches for "twitter list," and then started retweeting it and sharing it from there.
- Mark Trapp
Following is such a low-risk endeavor that people don't put thought into it: they'll follow anyone and everyone. You even have people thinking it's common decency to automatically follow people if they follow you without even thinking about if their content is interesting. Following is the 21st century equivalent of receiving a phone book or the yellow pages: you do it just in case you need to contact or get ahold of someone in the future, but nobody ever realistically does.
- Mark Trapp
Yep, it's like collecting business cards that get neatly filed into a big binder. It's about the self-satisfaction of the collection - you feel more connected / networked / important and avoid doing the hard work of cold calling or meeting with people and building something or whatever.
- Micah Wittman
I agree with following being a low-risk effort... However I have also heard of ppl gaining value from Twitter without much effort. Take for example this coffeshop I am a big fan of - sightglass coffee. They get a lot of customers from Twitter. It takes them relatively little time to tweet and they get customers. It would be very hard to achieve the same on FF.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get lots of conversation on Twitter, too. One of the reasons I am there more than here is because people with common interest in my political obsessions are there, but not here.
- Karoli
Karoli - Yes, the Twitterverse is way more diverse than the FFverse. Curious do you get more comments/conversations per post on Twitter as compared to FF or is it that you you post more stuff because time spent per post is lower on Twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get very little response to political conversations/comments on FF - a couple of folks follow here but a very small percentage compared to twitter. I tried to pull people over here, but they didn't understand why they should leave tweetdeck and their twitter setup for new territory.
- Karoli
Geeks (+ early adopters, influential folks, the elite ...) are on FriendFeed and the proletariat on Twitter? Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat? Calls for action work best when the audience actually cares, so prolly that's all about choosing the right medium for the targeted punters?
- Sebastian
Sebastian... yes agree the geeks and tech bloggers are on FF... However if you are marketing say a fashion or beauty blog. You won't get much interest here. twitter is the place for you :)
- Bindu Reddy
I disagree with that statement, Bindu. There's a LOT of non-tech getting traction on FriendFeed. So much so that it's the number one reason Scoble no longer enjoys being here: he says he doesn't see enough tech for his liking.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Just butting in here to mention that there are tons of uses for both twitter and friendfeed that have nothing whatsoever to do with marketing. In fact, once could make the argument that social networks such as these were designed to get away from marketing. Unlike radio, TV, or even a web search, you choose who you'll be receiving information from. If you're looking to exchange...
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- Mr. Gunn
Bindu, what I'm sick of is marketers broadcasting their sales pitches to all social media outlets out there, regardless whether the audience might fit or not. Anyways, i'ts possible to attract a few somewhat intelligent responses to geeky topics at Twitter, at least when xmas and independence day share the same date. Most probably I wouldn't try to sell wonder bras at FF, though.
- Sebastian
@Tina ... umm I have not been an avid user of FF lately so maybe it has become pretty diverse. Are you saying there are a lot of people on here with specific interests such as politics, beauty etc?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: Ning is a better place to go if you have very specific topics you want to talk about. They are growing a FriendFeed every 12 days (they are getting a million new users that often and have just passed 38 million registered). FriendFeed is fun if you aren't sure what you want to chat about and you're cool with seeing lots of family pictures and goofy stuff. Tina is right that the hard-core geeks are mostly on Twitter or Facebook now, I keep watching here, though.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli I get all kinds of action here on political topics. I have more followers on Twitter but rarely get a response there. Here I got 80+ comments yesterday.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
MVB, Karoli is a prolific voice on twitter. Twitter seems quite effective for political advocacy/activism even though longer form convos have to break out somewhere else. Also, just like friendfeed, volume / steady presence can make all the difference. Your tweet count is ~2K; Karoli's over 63K.
- Micah Wittman
My presence here is similar to Kaoli's on Twitter, then. So, presence is a mitigating factor. But, Micah, as you so deftly point out, for a long conversation there needs to be a move to another venue. That's where here works better, since it can stay right here.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
We agree, and can agreed at length right here, folks :)
- Micah Wittman
So link your twitter to your friendfeed. Get followers and comments. The best of both worlds.
- Hareesh Nagarajan
Does it make any difference here whether the original post was to Twitter and reposted here automatically or the original post was directly here? In other words, does the FF community prefer to comment on direct posts rather than Twitter reposts?
- Jimmy Walker
Jimmy: it honestly depends on who you interact with on FriendFeed. There are people who get irate about people only posting to Twitter and openly advocate using FriendFeed directly, and yet, there are interesting people who always get a conversation going around their tweets. One thing that sometimes helps is coming back to FriendFeed and elaborating on your tweet, or to do more than...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark, that sounds like good advice. Thanks.
- Jimmy Walker
B.Reddy is right.I complately agree with her.A good view,and a good advice for us.Thank you Bindu...
- Dedegi
Following only happens after several good comments. Consistency is the key.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy, I am not sure... Someone body or the other seems to come and follow you based on pretty much anything you twitter. Of course most of these ppl prob. do that expecting a follow back?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: I meant on FF. Twitter...they're pretty loose.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
I don't get followers from posting on Twitter; the only people who see what I post there are my followers.
- Glen Mistletoe
I post both places and get almost nothing... so where's your hypothesis now, huh!? ;-))
- Jim Hearts FF
Bindu: As you had said earlier, most of the followers at twitter don't read what you are tweeting. So it is actually better to get comments as you know those who comment read whatever you post.
- Amit
Amit, I completely agree with you about the comments and how no one reads your tweets. As an example I posted a tweet about "anchors" On FF there are 7 likes and 14 comments.. None on twitter. However at the end of the day for every 20 new followers I get 1-2 new friends. On FF much less of that happens. So from a marketing point of view Twitter is better.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, how many people are subbed to you on FF and on Twitter? What are the total number of subs to each? What is the ratio of your subs to the total subs of each? I bet a crisp dollar bill that you are subbed to a higher percentage of subs on FF than on Twitter.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
MVB interesting point of subs. # of subs on Twitter and FF are about the same but the quality of subs is much better on FF. As far as ration goes... yes FF is much better than Twitter and that does have an impact. However I am going to contend that even for people who have many more subs on Twitter (e.g. scoble?) there is much more engagement on FF than twitter. he probably adds more followers though on twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, exactly. Unlike you, I, and most others, are not here to market a product or service so we see a different function of Social Media.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
Social Media 101: It's a two-way street - relationships are formed via interactions, not uni-directional broadcast. :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
This, btw, is true for all forms of marketing / business function - consider a customer support hotline that never get answered by anyone but just sits there as a 1-800 number.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I'd like to think getting sales is even better than followers, come to think of it, getting leads are better than followers too. Followers are overrated.
- Justin Hitt
Is Steve Gillmor the new John Dvorak or just another one? Being contrary seems like a life goal -- maybe just their way of appearing relevant?
- Brian Sullivan
at least the TechCrunch commenters addressed the issue. time to take this convo private
- Steve Gillmor
Steve- Visual Studio2010 is written completely in WPF. So its not a completely ridiculous notion to suggest that Office will be written in WPF/Silverlight at some point in the future.
- Roberto Bonini
EH ? was not Vista built on the WPF foundation too ??
- Peter Dawson
roberto of course. but the idea that I missed the HTML 5 memo and that I'm being contrarian is lamer than the comments on Techcrunch which is a promising trend.
- Steve Gillmor
Visual Studio 2010 used WPF as part of its text editor and rendering engine. By no stretch of the imagination is it 'completely written in WPF'. Vista included .NET 3.5 (as an update) which includes the WPF libraries. No part of Vista used WPF directly. Steve is correct that an Office implementation in Silverlight is inevitable, but it's more a question of positioning rather than engineering.
- David Ing
the message at PDC was loud and strong: WPF and SIlverlight are converging - fast
- Steve Gillmor
exactly david - not technology but strategic shift
- Steve Gillmor
I think the message from PDC is more that WPF is 'resting', as in it's in the 10 year support cycle, and certainly the 'tech de jour' for windows desktop apps but that all the release cycle energy is being put into Silverlight. It's interesting in that SL is starting to diverge slightly in that the Win / Mac runtimes are not quite on par, i.e. when Silverlight crosses the line in being 'better on Windows' then it's completely confused the whole WPF/SL story
- David Ing
any divergence will be met with pushback at the highest levels. please document such issues and point to them so we can leverage them
- Steve Gillmor
It seems msft's intent is for much greater synergies between Spoint/Office etc going forward, various techs involved, with silverlight deeper into 'platform' throughout, but still immature and UI layer...
- oliver marks
Peter: there is almost zero.NET code inside Vista. Also, who said Visual Studio was written on top of .NET (IE, WPF or Silverlight)? That's wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, sorry David. Misread which ever article I read that in. Thanks for clarifying it. Nonetheless, Microsoft is using it's own products because they see it as the future n
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Silverlight Office will center on micromessaging, and it will be sooner than robert's 5 years bet
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, the divergence will be COM, i.e. in Silverlight 4 I can automate MS Office via COM, use Text to Speech in Vista via COM - Microsoft have 14 years of interfaces that Silverlight on Windows can now unlock. If Mac had the equiv then I'm sure they'd do the same, but this is an interesting case where you can write a better SL app 'for windows' than without - makes sense?
- David Ing
but linking to old Office is not what I am saying see above
- Steve Gillmor
Yep, I understand, not being contrary, but highlighting that the developers themselves can create divergence of SL if they so choose - so much of world of windows is accessible from COM, and that the Silverlight Out of Browser (SLOOB) is an interesting sweet spot that may have unintended strategic side effects.
- David Ing
Mac compliant apps are the sweet spot. Devs may veer but the trend will be toward interoperability and with Moonlight too.
- Steve Gillmor
I hope so, although mainly just for the 'client' run-time. A big Silverlight for Business Apps push is the updated 'RIA Services' capability. This cements the story that SL is aimed at the business developer with a Windows backend, as in Moonlight and Mono have no RIA service equiv as yet. A large majority of new Silverlight apps being written next year will be for enterprises and be...
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- David Ing
all true but the key apps will support Win/Mac and add point functionality to iphone as demoed in LA.
- Steve Gillmor
The '3-screens' message re:iphone is an odd one, as in if you count Win7Mobile then that's roughly 2.5 screens :). The two iPhone demos at PDC were (1) the mp4 silverlight streaming, i.e. IIS using the SL video codec (more a branding association rather than actual Silverlight) and (2) a web app over the data.gov 'Dallas' store (PHP based ironically). It doesn't take a mac genius to work...
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- David Ing
Robert, Visual studio 2010 is written partly in WPF. Not 2008. Now Microsoft has at least one project with an OS kernal written completely in .net. So Im on steves side on this one.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Oh and Robert, you can tell the difference between the WPF designer in 2010 and the vanilla in in 2008
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
There will be leftovers for days! Come on over! :-)
- Robert Scoble
i would come over if i was closer :)
- Allen Stern
Happy Thanksgiving Friendfeeders,and Scoble.Happy Religious Festival for The Islams also...In Turkish it's 'Kurban Bayramı', in Arabic; Eid al Adha...Thank You...
- Dedegi
The era of speeches could be coming to a close. Perhaps we're entering a period of guided discussions. It could kill off the huge conference keynote-- which would be just fine with me. Rarely is anything said that I wouldn't rather just read.
- Kevin Gamble
Kevin: I think this is already forcing speakers to improve their game! I know I watch Twitter while I speak and it helps my speaking.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It helps because you answer questions or change the direction of your talk? I do think if you could see the backchannel it would be very helpful. danah didn't have that benefit. Sounded like an awful situation.
- Kevin Gamble
Skyler, I've been once, a few years ago.
- Jesse Stay
I used to ski, years ago. I took up snowboarding and loved it until I hurt my back wrecking too many times on an icy half-pipe. I want to get my wife interested in skiing so I can pick up skiing again.
- Skyler Call
my suggestion is to make sure that whatever resort you pick uses twitter effectively and is able to clearly explain the benefits - i'd like a photo of you on the slopes in your social media tee lol
- Allen Stern
Allen, Park City Mountain Resort is excellent at that. @krista_parry, who manages that is great.
- Jesse Stay
well there you go Jesse! I mean today I went to the bagel shop and asked if they were using twitter, and even though i love their bagels, when they said no, i just had to leave.
- Allen Stern
Allen I understand your frustration - it's not worth going anywhere these days unless they use Social Media ;-)
- Jesse Stay
My advice dates back to 1979 - Park City.
- Spidra Webster
Learning to ski is easiest day 1, snowboarding day 3. The learning curve is quicker for snowboarding but the first day can be rough.
- Andrew Smith
To learn skiing go five days in a row. Get a private coach in the morning then in the afternoon go out on your own and use what you learned each day. By the end of the week you'll probably be better than me.
- Robert Scoble
I learned how to snowboard in my 30s. Never have learned how to ski. I liked the idea of snowboarding better because you only have to keep track of one piece of equipment instead of 4. Day 1 is rough -- main thing is, if it's icy, make sure that when you fall (and you WILL fall, about 20-30 times the first day), make sure you don't hit your head. If you can make it through day 1, you're golden.
- Stephen Mack
Park City has a great deal right now for Utah residents. I think I'm going to take them up on it: http://startnow.parkcitymountain.com/site... - $25 for lesson, rentals, and lift ticket, and you get 4 additional days for $25 each.
- Jesse Stay
I've actually been once before - I think I only fell once or twice. It's been a long time though.
- Jesse Stay
It's a cloud that you own, that exposes "local services" like storage, identity selector config, computation, etc. to services you don't own
- Kurtiss Hare
Does this silverlight porting path just translate video, or the whole framework? If it's just video, it sounds like a WMV->MP4 codec.
- Matt Mastracci
I don't think stream of audio or video via silverlight to a webkit browser counts as a dev platform for iphone
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
has anyone got documentation on sliverlight video playback on iPhone? I didn't see that demo
- Kevin Marks
Kurtiss - where do you own it? On Amazon? Who hosts that data? If someone else is hosting it do you really own it? The client is the best place for the user to own their data. That can be supported by a cloud service, but your client needs to control it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: that part's up to you, it can run from your house if you're into that. otherwise it can run from your amazon or rackspace account, whatever.
- Kurtiss Hare
Kurtiss, the average user is never going to be able to do that. It has to be something native in the browser or the operating system for the user to get it.
- Jesse Stay
@Kurtiss - your Rackspace account :) Please me more ;)
- Rob La Gesse
Also, a cloud-based service can't provide near the context a desktop client can
- Jesse Stay
Internal enterprise apps are never a predictor of platforms that'll survive. I could list dozens of dead Microsoft products that were "hot" for a while until they were abandoned.
- Matt Mastracci
Jesse, for now, but when the broadband explosion comes....
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, even then you're never going to have full control so long as you rely on the cloud for full context. See my article above.
- Jesse Stay
"turns out, microsoft developed the killer app for chrome os" - office web apps
- Jamie
enterprise == large user count behind a firewall with a private network
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse: What's the difference between the way that Windows/Mac OS X exposes my local services and the way a "personal cloud"-based OS could? It's Chrome OS' destiny ;)
- Kurtiss Hare
I've just finished installing SharePoint 2010 and now installing the Office Web Apps so I'll let you know shortly.
- Paul Shadwell
Robert, make sure you get that enterprise lecture from Steve before going on about Chatter
- Ross Mayfield
if chrome os enables a personal VPN experience that I can then allow individuals to "peek into" that would be a huge win
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kurtiss, a personal cloud is never going to know what you're doing on Barnes and Noble vs. Borders.com at the same time. Please read my article above.
- Jesse Stay
Paul: NO. Office for Web is ALL JavaScript.
- Robert Scoble
"very loyal to office" == it's a huge pain and cost to translate all those proprietary docs to something else
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse, cloud based services can bring context using social web - bring context in form you contacts and activities
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, only to an extent. You still need the client to control that process.
- Jesse Stay
Kevin, I saw the demo but haven't the docs for it. Just passes the video off directly to the vid player on iPhone. Here is the demo URL http://www.iis.net/iphone
- Jerry Schuman
Robert: Do you think they did that for increased cross browser support?
- Paul Shadwell
many companies are just scared to move to the web It seems an insecure place to them and they take the IT guys (who get paid to manage Exchange) word for it. "You don't want to do that. It's insecure." Few CEOs outside our business will challenge talk like that.
- Matt Terenzio
I truly love that indictment. LOL...it's only Obama, Congress has not a damn thing to do with it.
- Karoli
I have multiple clients that draw on my twitter, Poco and other cloud contexts. phones, laptops desktops use them
- Kevin Marks
yea, like obama has control over the senate and house or the huge military infrastructure that bush had 8 years to setup
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Microsoft won't stop innovating, but they'll be innovating in the wrong direction (closed platforms, etc.)
- Matt Mastracci
Jason sounds like Ehrlich's genocidal nonsense, not any Libertarians I know
- Kevin Marks
when all the normal workers - not those that are like most silicon valley startup wonks - can stop worrying about where the money for the next health bill comes from, then they will be able to spend time making work more productive
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Tim O'Reilly talks about Microsoft being a major player in the open web...
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, did you get the URL for the IIS demo?
- Jerry Schuman
Microsoft innovates but it's not accessible to the murmuring rabble. Like me. at least, not yet (other than Silverlight)
- Karoli
Microsoft is the greatest squandering of wealth in the History of business
- Stephen Pickering
Microsoft is a leader in the Information card space, and they're doing some amazing stuff with .Net, etc
- Jesse Stay
(note that I write this from a *nix-based MacBook Pro)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: see Craig Burton's rant on MSFT's implementation of cardspace.
- Cliff Gerrish
Microsoft is the new Newspaper business
- Matt Terenzio
and how is Salesforce managing this change in direction and focus... open source and open protocols I suspect
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Client wars have been going on for 2 decades.. it doesn't matter. You will have multiple native and web based clients from now until the cows come home.
- Jerry Schuman
warlords of tech, each guarding their own fiefdom.
- Karoli
The apathy of the user community regarding clients was evidenced by the failure of "Write Once, Run Everywhere"
- Jerry Schuman
I think you just hit the nail on the head bear :-)
- Paul Shadwell
Robert it already exists.. DOM manipulations
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: DOM Manipulations + Action Cards gets you there.
- Cliff Gerrish
the major change comes with context awareness. We're almost there.. very close in my estimation.
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: Action Cards are all about contextual browsing.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are no generic enclosures is what I think Dave meant
- Matt Terenzio
meta data is data - it can be included with other meta data or consumed as is. what is key is removing the silo mentality -- open data api's to allow neutral use cases
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter's 'features' have been a massive user #fail
- Karoli
twitter has always been a feature to be included in other apps -- they *are* a pipe
- Karoli
yes, they have rolled out a number of new features but they still have fundamental stability issues when followers drop off your account, when api calls still return random errors and other quality of life issues
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
btw: all those things you just mentioned extended Twitters discrete extensions of the backend. You're seeing twitter manipulate and compartmentalize their schema
- Jerry Schuman
bear, not only that, but they're anti-community. by sending that message, they tell me they intend to be a pipe for my data, not a host.
- Karoli
i've become so accustomed to their slowness of innovation, i certainly don't take the recently developed features for granted like I did when G or FF innovates...sad, really.
- Kurtiss Hare
still looking for those 'features'. closing conversations, making retweets a metric, and adding lists...?
- Karoli
While I might agree with ppl discounted MS I think discounting Ray Ozzie is a HUGE mistake. Especially if Ballmer gets forced out of MS.
- Rob La Gesse
it's all DATA SOUP. Apple had it right with the Newton ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
Authoritative ecosystems of record will still rule the day.
- Cliff Gerrish
don't mind shorter shows if they are focused. except for the "into the ditch" diversion of the political discussion this was a nice tightly focused show
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
SocialText...unfortunate name. Brings to mind the "journal" that was punked by Alan Sokal.
- Christopher A Carr
I agree with you that things are incredibly cliquey here, which is an unfortunate side effect of less fresh meat. I think there's a difference between the content of Scoble's point and how he presented that point: Scoble, in many ways, is like a kid in a candy store. He's overstimulated with a constant influx of new tech candy, and it's becomes hard to take his recommendations...
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- Mark Trapp
It doesn't give him a pass to be a jerk about it. It was very disrespectful to everyone in the screenshot he posted.
- Rodfather
That's a good distinction Mark. And you hit the nail on the head in terms of one of my main points which is the "less fresh meat".
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
See, Shey, you left space for open dialogue. You didn't come in and say it was "sad" and "dead". You just said YOUR usage has changed. You posted the exact opposite of what Robert did.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I agree that things have gotten very cliquey here on FriendFeed.
- Fulaan
Yeah, I can actually agree with Shey here. It's unfortunate that things have gone in this direction. I'm not afraid of getting jumped on for something I post or a comment I make, but I'm thinking most people are a little more conservative than I. FriendFeed isn't dead, it's just different. I also stand by the comment I have made on various occasions: Your FriendFeed is unique and...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach "Red"
Rahsheen: that's just the rub. Let's say I want to follow all the iPhone app developers. They just aren't here. 90% are over on Twitter: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say I want to follow the world's geolocation experts. They aren't here (go ahead and check, I did). But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say you want to follow tech companies. They aren't here. But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... -- see, when I joined FriendFeed I had hoped...
- Robert Scoble
...that a far more diverse group of folks would show up here (and brands and celebrities) so that I COULD listen to what I wanted and YOU could listen to what YOU wanted and we all could be happy. But, that didn't happen. I'm being a jerk, yes, but mostly it's just grief because it didn't work out the way I thought it would.
- Robert Scoble
Well, two things happen in a lifeboat scenario. People get cliquey (bond close together to cope/survive) and people peer into others eyes and wonder if mania or cannibalism is brewing. People are civilized and instinctual, so there is no inevitable outcome, but in the mean time drama ensues.
- Micah Wittman
I can exist in more than one place. I can follow the people on Robert's list on Twitter and my friends here on FriendFeed and my family/friends on Facebook. Social Media Maturity means you don't have to have all your sets of friends in the one room for you to remain being friends with them.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Shey, I think this title is a little misleading. As others have said here, I think you're saying something very different from what Robert said, or at least in a very different, much more palatable way. I think you're being more specific and not so general (SOME people's experiences here aren't so great. It's not horrible for everyone.)
- Kamilah Gill
Unless you just don't care; The clique thing never bothered me, I have two many of my own things going on.
- ThatDBD
"clique" implies exclusionary behaviours, and i have yet to witness that in any great quantity here.
- Joe Silence is not dead
If i was robert I would have added all his twitter list accounts to a semi-public room here on friendfeed.... much more useful in here than over there (imho) -- you can use the reply to twitter checkbox when commenting on the entries and when they reply to you it should feed into friendfeed via an ego search.... i do this exactly, but i only follow 64 ppl on twitter and am followed by...
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- Chris Heath
@Kamilah Fair assessment. I agree with Robert's assessment of the forum effect. But we're different users when it comes to Friendfeed and we want to see different things
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that FriendFeed has changed since the FB announcement, but I've been here long enough (and you have too, Shey) to have seen it change several times as people came in and left with various feature changes and overhauls. It will continue to morph into something else again, I'm sure. It's a platform that is suited to a lot of purposes and it changes as the majority of people decide...
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- Lindsay
This also assumes that FriendFeed is used exclusively in English...
- Johnny Worthington
At first I thought Friendfeed was a refuge for the chummy crowd. Then I saw Johnny Worthington was here and I knew it couldn't be a clique. Sorted.
- Bernie Goldbach
Why cannot FriendFeed be used just as much as everything else. In the social media world, the more points of connection, the better.
- Steve Borgman
WOW good post, and comments,+Mark +Chris, Kamillah I agree the title is misleading differing from Scoble as per Mark's comment. And after after the drop from the big sell to FB, albeit Scoble had all the tact of someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre, people listen to him, the criticism still resonates, and the fact is user #s keep dropping. And consequently I find FF myself less interested, signing in less, it's not as "breaking" as it once was, there's less posts/shares/activity, especially re Tech
- sofarsoShawn
davewiner: A bug in retweeting. If person X retweets a message from Y, but I have Y blocked, I shouldn't see the message. - http://twitter.com/davewin...
it would be a bug if they intended (in the code) to not show you those people, but i doubt that's the case, so no, it's not a bug, - but dave's right in that it should block those retweets for you since they're coming from someone you've blocked
- Chris Heath
Twitter replied to me that this is, indeed, a bug and would be fixed.
- Robert Scoble
I do have a spiteful jealous of your new feature button though Robert. Hey did you Check out the list tag cloud prototype I emailed you?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I see it on mine now, and realize I have not been ReTweeted, yet.
- Rubin
yes, since nov 10 - the retweet feature was temporarily disabled last week but it's finally back!
- barbarars
Yeah, I too got a punch of erecting self-esteem when found that I was A Chosen One Among Others )) being a beta-tester for a new Twitter feature. And now seriously - good idea, and good implementation. Everything is done stylish, keeping minimalistic Twitter spirit. As for me personally, RT timilines will be my must-read Twi-parts from now on as I find there a lot of interesting and useful links or ideas I would surely miss without this feature.
- massagin
Have it but doesn't appear to function if viewing tweets within a list.
- Dana Fosburgh
Have #NewRTs back on as well, still don't like them -> http://bit.ly/wTX4b I'll have to make a mock-up of what the feature should have looked like.
- Alex Schleber
it does-but im not sure why they didnt let us make comments- thats the good stuff
- Elizabeth Beskin
Elizabeth: I disagree. If Twitter had comments it would be like Facebook or FriendFeed. It would also get very noisy very quickly and one thing I like about Twitter is that I control everything that appears in my streams. Adding comments would change that radically.
- Robert Scoble
Same here - if it's good, it will find its way to me. We both use the web differently though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Although I am curious how many of those 16,364 "things" are individual blogs. I think it's apples and oranges comparing Twitter to an RSS Reader, but if you're getting what you want from it then I have no problem with that.
- Jesse Stay
twitter includes the subscription features of rss plus an option to contribute and find responses
- Mike Chelen
I'm not sure it matters anymore. There are a wide range of things coming into Twitter. Heck, there's a buoy in Half Moon Bay that has a Twitter account (automated, tells me wave height every hour). Most of what I followed in Google Reader is now coming into Twitter, so for me it's just duplication. And the few RSS feeds I'm missing come into Twitter anyway, because if they do anything...
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- Robert Scoble
Kynetx launch of their developer platform. Seriously - you really need to look at what they're doing. It's the biggest thing I've seen since the Facebook platform launch.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'm looking, I just don't get it. Their marketing really is sub-par and all your hype doesn't explain WHY it is important. Facebook was INSTANTLY recognizable as important.
- Robert Scoble
Kynetx is important because Scoble doesn't understand it. This is a big plus.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: it took me 1.5 years to get RSS. But the thing is I still got it before most of you did. I will figure out Kynetx, but the marketing on its site really doesn't do a revolution justice, if Jesse is right.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll do several more blog posts about it. It will take some examples to truly show its power.
- Jesse Stay
I agree they need to improve their marketing though
- Jesse Stay
Robert: if you hated SideWiki; you'll really hate Selectors + Kynetx. But, you should start by reading Craig Burton. The evolution from Cookies to Selectors is the key.
- Cliff Gerrish
Craig's a really smart dude - I finally got to meet him this last week and boy was I impressed.
- Jesse Stay
Oh, and there is no HIDE features on twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
Precisely Johnny, with no body, and no context. Its only useful if you know the context of those headlines.
- Roberto Bonini
Surely if a Twitter account is fed 100% via RSS, that just makes it a feed publisher (or feed proxy), and one which only publishes headlines. You'd still need a tool to read those feed items. (Sure, you can kind of use Twitter for that too, but my point is that this is the wrong argument.)
- Tony Ruscoe
My point was Twitter is not *meant* to be an RSS reader. That is why you're having problems with Chris Brogan's feed. It's not his fault you're having an issue reading his content. If you want to catch every single item then a real RSS Reader is what you want.
- Jesse Stay
Twitter is not an RSS reader. That's like saying that a fork is a knife just because if you put enough pressure on it it'll cut some things.
- Jan Ole Peek
Johnny, it's a pretty poor headline catcher, too - people have to actually import their headlines into Twitter in order for it to work as such. With an RSS Reader all they need is a blog and you can get their feed and headlines.
- Jesse Stay
"Aggregator" and "reader" mean different things to me. The fact that you can "aggregate" headlines doesn't mean you can "read" feeds.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: yup, I can change my mind due to market changes. What changed since then? 1. iPhone. 2. Google Reader became unusable for me (takes 20+ seconds to start up). 3. Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Full text isn't really important anymore, or if it is, it isn't the most important thing anymore. I don't miss it that much. Especially when I do most of my news reading on a small screen.
- Robert Scoble
[Sorry... only saw the last comment, not the "what changed"...] So now days you just click on links in tweets and go read the full articles in the iPhone? I don't really get how that's an improvement. To each his own, I guess.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, 500 news brands is a very small number! Ask Louis how many brands he's subscribed to in Reader. You can't do that on Twitter, and it's why you have an issue with Chris's Twitter feed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: stop being argumentative just to hear your own voice. That's only ONE list. I have 20 lists and am making more. Most of which have 500 different people or brands or things in them. One thing I can do with Twitter is SHARE my lists with you. Can you share your lists on Google Reader with me so I can watch what's on your screen?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't care if I hear my own voice - I don't care if anyone hears it. I was just sticking up for Brogan because I don't think it should be him that has to change. I think what you want is a fundamental flaw of Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
But you make a good point with sharing lists. I understand the comment you left on my blog now. however, Robert, you can share the RSS feed of any folder on google reader (yes I know. Feedly must expose this feature soon). Here is the RSS of my tech folder: http://www.google.com/reader... Its limited, but better than nothing.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, that RSS URI is returning a Permission Denied message.
- Micah Wittman
Fixed the permissions issue. Forgot about that.
- Roberto Bonini
RSS feeds are NOT the same as a web page where I can just visit and see without doing anything else.
- Robert Scoble
True. But sharing your Google Reader folder is LIKE a twitter list, just will full content, instead of just headlines. I'm playing devil's advocate here. And its an apple's to orange comparison.
- Roberto Bonini
So that would make FriendFeed, Facebook and other services that can accept RSS importation a RSS Reader. FriendFeed is probably a superior RSS reader as it can import the first few lines, allows longer headlines and even pictures. So is FriendFeed an RSS reader, an aggregator or both?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I wasn't aiming to make it 100 points long, Mr. Stay. :)
- Louis Gray
I know - I was making the point for you. I think that's one of the most valuable uses of FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
I also think it's funny that Scoble's criticizing Brogan for not creating a separate Twitter account for his blog posts when if Scoble stuck with FriendFeed and Reader he wouldn't have to worry about that type of stuff. :-) Twitter != RSS Reader
- Jesse Stay
Just pointing out yet another use of FriendFeed as a tool :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: yup, FriendFeed has some cool features, doesn't it? Too bad at least half the people I want to listen to aren't on FriendFeed. I really wish it had won, but it's clear it