Venkat: that's a Guy Kawasaki trick. If you want your brand to be better you must tie your brand to someone with an even better brand. Who has a better brand than Tiger?
- Robert Scoble
The Tiger Woods of Twitter? Uh...is there some sort of award for number or quality of tweets? Who should I be bribing?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: bring cupcakes to @biz and @ev :-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if @foiledcupcakes delivers that far...they are fantastic.
- Tyler Hurst
I love being reminded just how much an ass Kawasaki is.
- Allan Jenkins
Arrogance aside, at least he's upfront about everything he does. I appreciate that much.
- Chris Duffy
LOL everyone hates the rich and powerful but secretly wishes they were - wait for it - wait for it - rich and powerful. Go Guy! Go!
- ScottBourne
It will be a happy day when people stop typing LOL unnecessarily in so, so many online conversations.
- Tyler Hurst
WTF? how true.but IMHO that isn't gonna happen. LOL
- RAD Moose
It's amazing how bad most tech companies do when it comes to PR. By the way, I laid out the best advice I ever gave on this topic back in 2003: http://scoble.weblogs.com/2003... what did I say there? Talk to the grassroots first. That is why I use Twitter and FriendFeed. That's where the grassroots are.
- Robert Scoble
I deal with this every day when I talk to NY firms. It's frustrating that they think they only way to get through to people is either cute videos or TV ads. Why don't we just ASK our customers what they want?
- Tyler Hurst
Great write-up. Surprised that you mentioned Techcrunch over Mashable. In fact, you didn't mention Mashable at all..! Any particular reasons for that?
- K N Ajit Narayan
KN Mashable isn't nearly as influential as Techcrunch is, most of my friends don't mention it. Mashable is switching to a Twitter news network, too, which makes them influential on Twitter, but not overall. Mike really has owned the tech news space and continues to do so.
- Robert Scoble
K N: also, note, I was riffing off of the New York Times article that mentioned TechCrunch and not Mashable. There's a reason for that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, also keep in mind that most of your friends are in Silicon Valley. Mashable is very talked about on the East Coast. I think it's definitely worth considering, personally.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: exactly. Notice that Brooke Hammerling lives in New York. Even SHE doesn't talk about Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, good point - regardless, people always end up looking to Silicon Valley for their news.
- Jesse Stay
Isn't this more general than PR? The main point, as I got it, was about cynicism. Isn't any communication of opinion, whether cynical or not, contributing to the multi-faceted picture that people get of ... well, anything that we want to hear about?
- John W Lewis
Jesse: I thought Pete Cashmore even moved to SF to cover Silly Valley more.
- Robert Scoble
BTW Robert, welcome to the UK! Hope to see you tomorrow.
- John W Lewis
Mike: traffic does NOT equal influence. I can have more influence than you have by having just one reader. Think about it. If Obama read me and you had 1000 "normal" readers, who has more influence?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, is he in Silicon Valley now? Interesting. Sounds like he needs to be networking more then.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I've watched both work. Mike digs for news more and is more tied into the VC infrastructure here, which gets him more news.
- Robert Scoble
I know when I tried to talk to him I was practically ignored, even though it was about a common client. Not that it would have had any effect on influence. I've just had a better impression of Arrington, personally.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I agree that TC still has more influence but still, Arrington can't be happy about that trend line on Compete.com.
- Mike Doeff
Mike: Mashable is outplaying Techcrunch on Twitter and Mashable is better at writing articles that get Google page rank, like reviews of lots of products. That doesn't equal news influence, but does get traffic. I also think Arrington also made a huge mistake deleting his FriendFeed account (FriendFeed is a top three traffic driver for me already).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why did Arrington delete his FriendFeed account? You are right about Mashable. On Twitter, one gets the impression that Mashable is more popular than Techcrunch. But that may not hold true elsewhere.
- K N Ajit Narayan
K N: He got mad at the "mob" that formed here after his fight with Leo Laporte and deleted his account. Repeat after me, popularity does NOT equal influence.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington like like a nice guy. Yes, popularity does NOT equal influence. LoL
- K N Ajit Narayan
The chance that an individual will be sufficiently interested in something to pass it on and, thereby, create a mob effect depends on many factors (and, surely, these have been well studied?). Presumably, something must be significant, remarkable (literally), relevant, and so on. The source of the thing has an effect, I guess, in terms of credibility, reach, etc.. And for the original...
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- John W Lewis
Yeah, I always used to tell people they could get more great PR by going to parties at conferences (or better yet, throwing them) than they could get with a big expensive PR firm. When I was a big fancy magazine editor I would habitually filter out any incoming messages from big PR firms, since they were usually content-free at best, and BS-laden at worst. People who I met at parties had way better stories, rumors, and other intell for me than PR flacks!
- Fred Davis
I used to work for a technology consulting firm. Many new client relationships originated from conversations with people in neighbouring seats on flights. We often suggested dropping the advertising and giving everyone a free trip once a month!
- John W Lewis
John & Fred - yes and more yes. Talking to people is remarkably effective. Who knew?
- Tyler Hurst
The NY Times story was terribly unflattering. I can't blame Ms. Miller - some of the voices quoted were the antithesis of what I've aspired to be. If that's what she's experienced, we as a profession need to take a serious step back and re-evaluate our purpose. I was so peeved I spent my 4th trying to craft a reasonable response. (http://bit.ly/113wnu). So much for BBQs.
- AllisonWagda
Hacks continue to paint flacks as they are. But that these flacks represent what is going on in the industry and the sea change afoot couldn't be farther from the truth.
- andy
Robert - really didn't like how you generalized PR people in your article. Further, the reality is there are very few people in Silicon Valley at all who actually know anything about taking products to the real mainstream. Very, very few.
- Jeremy Toeman
Let's not overgeneralize about Valley PR people then. There are plenty that know lots about taking products to the mainstream (Margit at Outcast being one of them).
- andy
via email
Outcast was the sole voice of reason quoted in that story.
- AllisonWagda
She could play bridge (to nowhere) with Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace and Sean Hannity.
- Aron Michalski
She's going to take over for El Rushbo when he keels over.....or she'll become a Libertarian and start her own radio show...either way I could care less, she's just another idiotic politician
- Mike VanLare (slayerboy)
Aron, which one of those is the dummy? ;-)
- Karoli
Jim: Palin and Nancy Grace? Jebus shit... talk about "nails on a chalk board." My head would burst...
- Christopher Carr
She's going to get paid to do GOP fundraisers while pimping her book, or some such thing, I would suppose. Her current situation is insufficiently lucrative.
- Christopher Carr
Christopher: I am hoping for a Nancy Grace spot to promote her new book or such. Best thing that could ever happen. Those two are meant for each other.
- Jim Halligan @jim
I still think the Palin/McKinney ticket has legs...crazy legs.
- Aron Michalski
I just hope it doesn't include shooting any more endangered species :( ... what a maroon.
- Sean MacDhai
via iPhone
I live in Tokyo, so I am I getting this in Japanese.. Is Palin now Governor of Facebook?
- Robert Higgins
I'm in Nagoya, it's all in English and I think it said something about gumdrops and lollypops.
- Aron Michalski
Sarah is on a mission from God, her mission is just a small part of the 6,000 year history of this young earth. She'll protect us from evil, which happens to be anything that prevents her Dominionist goals to take over the world for Jesus and rule in his kingdom, notice it ain't no elected representative Government but a Kingdom with someone claiming to be Jesus as King. Goodbye to the American Republic.
- sovereignjohn
A) The woman has a voice that could strip paint. B) When she does talk, she has NO earthly idea what in the hell she's saying. ....actually, that would be a shoo-in for cable news, now that I think about it....
- Kris Roley
OK now we have an explanation. She wants to save Alaska the money they're spending on all the ethics investigations. :loco: You. Just. Can't. Make. This. Shit. Up! I know some of you don't believe me, go look it up and come back to this thread. Fox and the WSJ are lining up behind this with a full court press. Honestly how can these people look themselves in the mirror, how can any...
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- Indio Apache
via twhirl
What frightens me most about Palin isn't Palin. It's the incredibly short memory of the public at large. Even with everything she's said, done, hasn't done, will do...there will be people out there who hunger to hear the drivel she spews and forget the rest.
- Karoli
Karoli - my fiancee and I had this same conversation today, and its more than just a bit frightening. That said, I'm optimistic that the US hasn't fallen so far from sanity that a majority would deem her an effective leader. I think the worst damage she can do is that which she excelled at during the election - spreading vitriol and hatred. Whatever its meaning, her next "calling" can't be good.
- jcunwired
jcunwired: I hope you're right. I also hope that sovereignjohn's comments above were intended as sardonic humor, because it is precisely this idea that she is on a 'mission from God' that frightens me most. The God I know would most certainly not approve.
- Karoli
The very idea of god itself is plain fraud and if someone claims that he/she is sent by god, it freaks the hell out of me.
- Krishnan Subramanian
Great. It'll be interesting to see what she plans to do.
- Judy Jones
Unfortunately, (based on http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/TBE... and your itinerary), it seems that you will miss the photo opportunity on Friday July 10 at 1600 when the bridge opens for this ship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) Oh, the idle research we get up to ... now how could we automate that kind of search?!
- John W Lewis
Don't miss the Tudors exhibitions celebrating 500 years since Henry VIII's coronation @ the London tower and Hampton court I went there last week it was wonderful .
- Nawaf Althani
If you're in London try and catch the Pop Icons sculpture and photography exhibition at the Mall Galleries Robert, 2 minutes walk from Charing Cross under Admiralty Arch - the exhibition is AMAZING (not just because some of my shots of Sade are being exhbited either!)
- jude calvert-toulmin
Parse the Tweet text to get the ship name,and do a Wikipedia search?? seems pretty simple to me.
- Roberto Bonini
We just added a "Best of day" link at the bottom of the page. The best part is that it works for friend lists too, so you can have a "Best of day from family", etc. Thanks to Matt Cutts for the suggestion (http://friendfeed.com/mattcut...)
Nice! I was just thinking about this today, but it'd also be awesome to have a "Best of" link for user profiles as well, so it'd be easy to see which of a users (or yourself) updates/posts were the most popular
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
this is good. how about also adding best of week and month and putting the same tool on searches as well?
- Thomas Hawk
Awesome...I've really missed this since the redesign.
- Mark Krynsky
And guess who comes up twice as soon as I click this new feature...? Paul Buchheit!!! :-)
- Ton Zijp
This is great but hopefully will be expanded to groups, users and saved searches too? And agree with Thomas about best of week/month too.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nope. I am only inviting people I've met face-to-face and who I want to follow. I'm already following you here on FriendFeed, though, which is even better.
- Robert Scoble
that makes complete sense... so after your jaunt across the ocean head over here to Hawaii :-)
- Crystal Clear
Isn't it a little rude to refer to hidden feeds? As they used to tell us at NSA, true secrets are those shared with no one.
- Jack Carlson
Jack, it is very rude to talk about a secret group, but that's one of the things I'm studying too. Humans are fun to study. SEO types are going crazy over trying to get into this account, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, really, I'm just going to say this just once - repeatedly talking about your "secret feed" is ridiculous. It completely looks like an 11yo trying to grab attention and prove he's a "popular" kid. You admit it's completely rude to talk about hidden feeds, and yet you justify it because "I'm studying humans," which is another arrogant and incredibly rude thing to say (you do not refer to people as subjects, ever). Scoble, for someone with your accomplishments, I expected better character...
- Ben Parr
Just open it up, let us follow @SecretScoble, but refuse to follow us back, whats the big deal?
- Mark
They trade Scoble nudes like baseball cards in there. That's the word on the street.
- Geoff Schultz
I can see your use of the secretscoble account to be very simalar to my use if twitter. I have started to put a cap on the people I follow, rather than blindly following everyone back, about 60% of the people in my twitter stream I have met in person, and about 20% are people I hope to meet. I have found I start missing things important to me if I go over 450. I do respond to every...
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- Luke Kilpatrick
Ben: sorry, every Twitter company is studying Twitter's users. Every single damn one. If that's rude to do, then go postal on all the Twitter developers. Mark: it's a big deal because I want to talk with a very specific audience there, not with everyone. I am studying how that changes my writing, or what I want to do. In my research of how normal people use the Internet they want...
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- Robert Scoble
"..Jack, it is very rude to talk about a secret group..." Robert, are you talking about your secret group or Jack's secret group? Hold it - some black suburbans are pulling up out front.
- James Goldman
Ben: and how will this make me more popular? Or prove to others that I'm popular? You have some weird ideas of how to prove you're popular. James: my secret group. Gotta go, the black suburbans are here. :-)
- Robert Scoble
As a uk tax payer I'm helping to pay for your blogger holiday - can I get in ?
- Adrian
Adrian: no. It's like the Suggested User List. Only less fair.
- Robert Scoble
Hmmmm... I think I was following that account on my old @freddavis account... another hassle with Twitter never giving me my account back... add me as @fucktwitter, or just follow me here ;-)
- Fred Davis
So in other words, you're finally experimenting with "the friends are the filter"... you know, the method that you were absolutely insistent wasn't as good as "follow everyone" a while ago? I'm not going to say "I told you so" but... I told you so :)
- Ian Betteridge
Great friends can be the best filters and can allow you to get a much cleaner stream of what's happening than following everyone - same story with RSS feeds - I think Ian is quite right, but maybe you are onto something different Robert...
- Robin Good
Robin, I think we're actually both right: a lot depends on what you're looking to use your feed for. Robert uses his quite differently to the way that I use it. I don't care about 99.99% of the stuff which comes up enough to need to know about it *right now* - Michael Jackson's death being a classic example. But there are certain things that I do want to know about now, and those tend to be the kinds of things that friends would pass on.
- Ian Betteridge
Robert, you could extend the walled garden concept and have an invite only blog, or paid access (that's one way to find your dedicated fans). I don't think that form of community conflicts with open formats either. Both have strengths and advantages. It behooves us to understand and interact with specific communities within both. I prefer the open type due to the nonexclusivity. For...
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- Mark Essel
via iPhone
You could do a quick mashup on your site that could authenticate with twitter and show the home feed for @secretscoble on that page to everyone, without them having to join. Couple of issues with that, though. It would also show tweets from people whom @secretscoble follows who otherwise have protected feeds. Also, basic HTTP authentication b/w your server and Twitter - not very secure.
- sameer
just take screen shots from time to time if you want to make a point about what you are seeing there. then get your friends' permission, and write a blog post about it.
- Laura Norvig
Scoble has the first premium Twitter account, because I am certain that people would pay a lot of money to become a follower.
- Bob Blunk
Bob Plunk have you been on the sauce? Just add the people he follows to your account and you have a replica of @SecretScoble. I promise you Robert is not saving all his pearls of wisdom for that twitter account. He isn't tweeting revelations that will change the world on his alternate account. It's just some experiment he is running on things such as how much attention people pay to invites.
- Mark
Nicholas: I'll be a perfect human being when I'm dead. For now I'm imperfect. And certainly not expert at it. Although that Obama fellow seems to be on the right track.
- Robert Scoble
Social Media Experts aren't they the Snake Oil Salesmen of our time :p
- Darren Stuart
Good point on the dead part - hadn't considered it from the perspective. At the same time I wouldn't be able to tell an expert lion from an ordinary lion, there is only a lion. sure I could say that one kills more game and so is greater than that lion that kills less, surely now I'm quantifiy attributes of a lion. At the end of the day a lion is an expert at being a lion. lion's have x,y,z attributes that I could judge one lion from another
- Nicholas Orr
via twhirl
X Experts are the Snake Oil Salesmen of our time I am leery of anyone willing to dawn the coveted and liberally distributed title of expert.
- Geoff Schultz
The more you learn about anything the more you realise how much you still don't know. I believe in people willing to learn and progress, I definitely don't believe in self-proclaimed experts.
- M F
I am not a social media expert either, just an enthusiast!
- polou/indigo_bow
Based on your answer, you would qualify as a social media expert...
- Mark Harai
it's really hard to find new, good podcasts. Just went through 2 pages of search results here at FriendFeed and didn't find anything I wanted to listen to more than Stack Overflow and twit. Those i already knew about. :( What's your iTunes podcast window look like? hint hint, suggestions?
I enjoy BOL too. Been a fan since the beginning. However, if you're looking for something different, try On Digital Media http://odmcast.com (shameless plug ;-)
- Steven Hatch
john cleese, stephen fry, kevin smith, Andrew Denton. Get to it!!
- thomasrdotorg
via twhirl
NOVA Science Now, Scientific American, The Naked Scientists, the Pragmatic Podcasts, Hanselminutes, SE-Radio (though I skip most of them), Core Intuition, Late Night Cocoa, Mac Developer Network, Grammar Girl
- DGentry
NPR's All Songs Considered, NPR's Science Friday, Magnum in Motion
- samgrover
I love BOL (Buzz Out Loud)...also Loaded, Twit, The Social Geeks (of course), Diggnation, Grammar Girl, The Answer Bitch, LostCasts (when LOST returns that is), ReadBurner, CNET TV, CNET Mailbag (Molly Wood is damn funny) and the occasional Tekzilla and Security Now.
- Sarah Perez
I listen to the Gillmor Gang (I'll be on tomorrow at 1 p.m. from China, by the way) and TWiT. Otherwise I "snack" on other audio shows here and there.
- Robert Scoble
NY Times Front Page, Wall Street Journal Tech News Briefing (both are good first thing in the morning), NewsGang Live / Gillmor Gang. Leo Laporte has a few good ones like TWiT, MacBreak Weekly, Windows Weekly, Security Now.
- Rolf Schewe
I feel bad for not listening to TWiT very much while everyone else does. It is in my podcatcher but I almost always listen to it part way and then move on. The podcast is a lot of fun, but it just feels like BOL got the same things already and talked about them days earlier. I have a lot of podcasts (I do love NPR and I've found a number of great book world and fiction podcasts) and I'd rather listen to something new.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
via twhirl
Aram: I understand that. I don't get to all of them either. usually I just listen to the ones that get talked about on Twitter or FriendFeed. Speaking of which, http://www.fastcompany.tv is my video podcast.
- Robert Scoble
These are all great suggestions -- I just scarfed up a mess of them and added them to iTunes. Thanks!
- Mitch Wagner
If you're not already listening to This American Life you're missing the best radio show ever. Fresh Air is good, too. And Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.
- Leo Laporte
If you like listening to non-work related podcasts (i.e. NOT tech), check out The Moth. Also This American Life.
- Aaron Uhrmacher
"WFMU's Best Show On WFMU" is HILARIOUS! I also like Studio 360 and many of the ones mentioned above.
- Brad Williamson
In the same vein as WFMU are the podcasts from RESONANCE FM, "the art of listening"
- Brad Kligerman
Oh my - where's NPR's "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me", and NPR's Car Talk, and Leo's "Security Now!" podcast? And if you're not only twisted, but actually sprained, check out Merlin Mann's podcast "You Look Nice Today".
- mamapadawan
If you are into Social media, PR and communication, then check out For Immediate Release (FIR). Shel Holtz and Neville Hobson host this bi-weekly podcast and it is without a doubt the best communications podcast out there.
- morten saxnaes
NPR's Wait Wait and This American Life make it to my podcast list. I'm learning Danish too, and there is a great podcast called "CopenhagenCast" that is a great learning tool for the language.
- Guy Martin
Check out The Bugle and Sex Talk with Jimmy Stewart!
- Wes Hoogenboom
via iPhone
Give No Agenda a try. One of my fav of the week. Another good listen is This week in startups with Calacanis.
- Shaun Trennery
via iPhone
Skeptics Guide to the Universe is excellent, one of the best podcasts out there. Also, Seminars about Long Term Thinking is often great.
- Gersham Meharg
Savage Love (sex and relationships, about 35 minutes, weekly), Memory Palace (quirky history stories, about 5 minutes, published irregularly), 60 Second Psych (short stories about psychology, published irregularly), and I love, love, love Tank Riot (kind of indescribable--runtime 1 hour+, published every two weeks or month or so by three guys in Wisconsin), and also one called Copper Robot by some guy named "Mitch Wagner."
- Mitch Wagner
The Moth, The Memory Palace, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, The Dinner Party Download, The Sound of Young America, Obsessives (video by CHOW), Studio 360, TED (audio or video), Third Coast International Audio Festival, Current Vanguard (video), Frontline WORLD (video), World Cafe.
- Rekha Murthy
The autoblog pod cast, and the truth about cars (although they are daily now, that could disappear)
- rosenbaaron
If you want some nuanced humor, check out and listen to the backlog of You Look Nice Today.
- Charles Englert
PodCastle, Escape Pod and PseudoPod for fantasy, sf and horror respectively.
- Deborah Fitchett
There will be other events too, and Techcrunch's Real Time Web event is on the 10th, so we're trying to fit that into our schedule as well.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you know if there will be any Tweetups in Cambridge?
- Josh Chandler
what a group - one of them i wonder what she actually does - calls herself a "tech blogger" yet i never see her blog - and some others on that list too. hope you can push yourself through it robert :)
- Allen Stern
Josh: not sure yet, we are still arranging the schedule. How about a breakfast on Saturday morning July 11, though?
- Robert Scoble
I think, I am more likely to get to the Cambridge one ahead of the London one, so, I will keep an eye out for updates to the agenda!
- Josh Chandler
Allen: it's a diverse group, that's for sure.
- Robert Scoble
Josh: let's keep in touch, if you don't hear from me let's talk on July 1st or so.
- Robert Scoble
sure, sounds good! DM me on Friendfeed, Twitter. Or email me: josh@joshchandlerblog.com
- Josh Chandler
This is not a tweetup, this is an audience! Come see your favourite geek and pay for the privilege. are you all going to be behind a red velvet rope in a VIP section?
- Rachel Clarke
I don't think that's quite fair to say. Robert is not one who hides himself behind velvet ropes. Nor is Craig [Newmark]. The others I can't speak to as I don't know them. The TechCrunch party being an "official" scheduled event might be a bit much, though.
- Andrew Feinberg
Josh, Robert - is that an open invitation for breakfast in Cambridge? I'll be in the area that weekend, I'd love to join you both.
- Jon Mulholland
Andrew, I know Robert isn't, which is why I'm surprised at it. This is very different I think from any of them doing this individually and if you look at the whole tour, I (and other's whose comments I've seen) think it is a little like that
- Rachel Clarke
July 5th. Hmm, I shall be attending a Jimmy Buffett event down the road in Shepherds Bush at the same time.
- Gilbert Harding
Yeah, just going to see if there are any hotels which are cheap and close, and if i can get any deals. Saves leaving the party early as I cant get home..
- Simon Wicks
Is Building43 like building 43 on the Microsoft campus in Redmond?
- Matt
Matt: Building43 was partially named for the Microsoft building, but mostly for Google's Building 43 which is where its founders sit.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like a fun group trip, looking forward to photos and suggested spots to see. Me and my lady are in need of some travelling.
- Mark Essel
Tried to buy my tickets. Paypal's being stupid for me and not letting me add a new card, have contacted them trying to sort it out. So i hope i can still get in there while they're cheap, as i dont really want to pay £40 for one.
- Simon Wicks
Me and my girlfriend are coming now, she got the tickets as paypal still havnt sorted my account :)
- Simon Wicks
Scobes, I will be interviewing you. get ready :)- @OoTheNigerian
- Osita Oo Nwoye
Who else is coming from Friendfeed tonight then? Not seen many people put their names down here really.
- Simon Wicks
via iPhone
Honestly don't understand the auto-follow urge on Twitter. In real life, that'd be falling in like with every fan; 100% untenable for even a moderately popular person!
Why do people feel obligated to follow those that follow them on Twitter and FF? Is it an "ethics" thing, an attempt at egalitarianism...? I seriously don't get it.
- Adam Lasnik
it can end up in a another way to broadcast to many giving the illusion that you also read what they say?
- righini riprova
Adam: I want to be able to get DMs from anyone who follows me. That's why.
- Robert Scoble
But in this case, Righini, it's the reverse. Someone has already subscribed to you (so you're already broadcasting to them), but you then automatically follow them. I understand (though loathe) the tendency of some to follow 42 thousand folks just to pump up their own subscriber numbers, but that's something different. And Robert... hmm... I hadn't thought of that! But why wouldn't @replies suffice?
- Adam Lasnik
ah! also i thought to your question some weeks ago: why do we post messages to public pages instead of private email or chat? I found an answer: sometimes we dont't know who is adapt to receive our message.
- righini riprova
That's a separate but very good point! While it doesn't explain our tendency to publicly post stuff like, "Hey, [friend], I've missed you so much!" (instead of e-mailing that), it *does* explain our habit of posting status'y stuff... because we might feel funny pushing it to a specific someone in e-mail but feel that perhaps one or more of our friends might be entertained or interested in a particular musing.
- Adam Lasnik
DMs would be the reason. Agree with Scoble here.
- Tyler Hurst
maybe the "hey [friend] how are you?" is intended to mean "hey [friend that read [friend] did you see that I speak with [friend]?] how are you?"
- righini riprova
Okay, Tyler and Scoble, I'll delve deeper, then. Why do you want anyone in the world (that's subscribing to you) to be able to DM you? I can't imagine either of you are hard to find and message otherwise. Is it simply about drastically reducing the barrier to communication? And if so, how is that necessarily optimal? ;). And Righini... true. That public broadcasting does seem like a way to indicate affiliations (even common affiliations) or signal "I am loved" or "I am loving" :)
- Adam Lasnik
maybe people is missing the dear old spam from they want to buy strange pills from Romania?
- righini riprova
Yes, I want to talk to people IMMEDIATELY. I don't want someone to pollute my inbox with non-timely banter. If I'm at an event or in a new city and that person is nearby, I want to learn about them. It's more about me connecting with them than them connecting with me.
- Tyler Hurst
Okay, now I understand the intent. But I'm still unclear why @replies would not suffice.
- Adam Lasnik
@replies require me to check them. I have DMs set up as text messages.
- Tyler Hurst
I believe that auto-follow is for those folks who are primarily using Twitter for self-promotion - they never read their followers stream anyways
- cyberjack
Sometimes @ replies are too public. Imagine if someone wanted to send scoble a tip about something hush hush. Only a DM would do there. Why not email? Well email is around too, but everybody is using twitter. If you're a "personality" that likes to be accessible, you go to where your fans are.
- EricaJoy
Easy: because I want to stay on top of the latest in porn, viagra and MLM schemes that my new followers are working on.
- Rocky
Adam: because I noticed that some people wanted to DM me and couldn't. It's a bug in Twitter (and FriendFeed's system). Sometimes you just want to have a private conversation with people. Without going to email.
- Robert Scoble
Not to mention that for some people finding their email is very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
it expands my horizons, opens my mind to unfiltered input, opens (vs closed) doors...
- chaz2b
Ah, okay. So the answer seems to be along several lines: Accessibility (DMs), discovery (new info), and etiquette. Interesting. Still, despite all of these potential advantages, it does seem that adding >[x, with x being an arbitrarily large number] followers would make it quite challenging to keep up with tweets.
- Adam Lasnik
I suggest you find the video of how Robert manages all his incoming data streams. Its fascinating. Reminds me of reading the matrix.
- EricaJoy
via IM
get to Grosvenor Square and you'll have your celebrations
- Prolific Programmer
via IM
I bet. Ha, seems like they are just looking for another reason to ditch work and party.
- Brian Jones
via twhirl
Tell them all is forgiven, send more Guiness ;)
- WarLord
Strictly speaking, it was independence from the monarchy "Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over...
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- Alan Dean
I thought it was about that time Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum blew up the alien ship...
- Johnny Worthington
via iPhone
"now *that's* what I call a 'close encounter'"
- erik yuzwa
Robert, tell them we celeb U.S. iPhones launching fireworks in English. USA USA USA!!
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
Alan, yes, but to his credit he is said to have told John Adams the following: "I was the last to consent to the separation; but the separation having been made and having become inevitable, I have always said, as I say now, that I would be the first to meet the friendship of the United States as an independent power."[58]
- Melanie Reed
There is a good argument that says that it was simply the next step in the evolution of the "English-speaking Empire", rather as Constantinople was established within the Roman Empire and remained 'roman' whilst becoming Byzantine. In that context, the 4th of July is more subtle and complex than simply stating "freedom from the British". This was very much the position of Churchill who rather epitomised the fusion by having an English father and an American mother.
- Alan Dean
I think looking at how Canada achieved her independence and how the "Empire" became the "Commonwealth" and even that disintegrated somewhat, it seems to come down to the logistics of contiguous land mass and the resources to maintain control over time. Canada is always telling the us that their Independence was achieved without blood (although their great mythos is the Canadian Railroad...
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- Melanie Reed
Perhaps celebrating the fact you speak English, rather than German or Spanish or...........
- Gilbert Harding
I'd be slightly worried if the BBC had to explain to its viewers what Americans are celebrating on the 4th of July.
- Paul Grav
It's weird being in London on the fourth of July. The BBC says we're celebrating the fourth of July but doesn't mention what the fourth of July is all about. Funny.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a making of for this video? It's incredibly amazing...
- Rodrigo Leme
Very cool Zee, thanks for sharing : )
- Mark Harai
That is one awesome music video. It definitely shows its creative genius. I bet they didn't have to spend millions of dollars to make that unlike your typical corporate commercials.
- imabonehead
Hey, thanks... have added that to the list!
- Adam Lasnik
17-mile drive. Pick up sandwiches at Safeway first. Enjoy!
- Robert Scoble
Carmel beach is really cool as is 17-mile drive. Carmel Valley has a lot good wine tasting options.
- Todd Hoff
agree with 17-mile drive..if you go to the Valley try Corkscrew Cafe..very nice
- Bryan Waters
Bill, Robert, Todd, Bryan... thank you! It's a pity my printer isn't working, so I won't be able to print out any maps or tourist info, etc. But at least I have my G1 (and also in-Prius nav), so that should help a bit :)
- Adam Lasnik
We like to just drive around. There are a lot of funky houses and gorgeous gardens.
- Todd Hoff
The aquarium in Monterey may be the best in northern CA.
- Greg Grothaus
What are the thoughts so far? Would be interesting to understand. I always feel that Twitter is really cool as a comms tool aslong as you use it that way. Its down to the individual.
- Paul Rawlings
Very interesting. Cant wait to hear about your findings!
- Sean Simkins
Sean: so far the signal to noise ratio is much like my lists on FriendFeed. I like FriendFeed better, but there are quite a few people who aren't yet on FriendFeed. The thing is, though, most people aren't on Twitter, either. They don't watch their accounts very closely and/or they don't act on them if they do.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand why you invited people like Ijustine though? Go look at her friendfeed account, a typical day would be a dozen or so bikini pictures, a video about Apple and a bunch of tweets on some new shoes she is buying?
- Mark
@Mark, yeah exactly, that's why I stopped following her myself
- Stuart Evans
Another interesting experiment would be to allow anyone in who wanted to but to screen people before hand to make sure they weren't spammer, etc. You could create an account of tech-savy people that you could draw news from and do experiments with. Like a twitter that actually knew what they were talking about.
- Sweyn
Mark: because I've met iJustine. She's part of my experiment.
- Robert Scoble
I trust you will be documenting this experiment? Or is it all just going to be in your head? What's your hypothesis? :-)
- Mark
How will you control for extraneous variables ;)
- Mark
How did you ensure your sample was representative and could be generalised to the general population of twitter? Haha, the science-nerd part of me is coming out now.
- Mark
If we can't colonize the moon, there's no way we'll be able to colonize Mars. And it'll be a lot easier to rescue a failed colony on the moon.
- Victor Ganata
Ask him what's the most interesting thing he can tell us about Mars.
- Bruce Lewis
Can you ask him if we can send Astronauts to Mars before Obama's first term is up, and if current technology will protect the astronauts enough from the radiation
- Charbax
Bob he says that is a big job with many uncertainties. He says some don't want us to do that.
- Robert Scoble
via iPhone
Will magnetic bubbles really be sufficient to protect explorers from radiation?
- Todd Hoff
Charbox: no. Current plan is 2019 for next human mission to moon.
- Robert Scoble
via iPhone
I believe NASA should send Astrunauts to Mars as soon as possible. Skip the whole Moon thing and cancel ISS and the Shuttle. Priority should be a world collaboration project using Russian heavy lift rockets and going direct to Mars for $30 Billion before Obama's first term is up
- Charbax
The argument is that we are much closer to having the technology to go to Mars today then we were to going to the Moon when Kennedy did the speech in 1961 So why not focus the world space efforts on fitting the Humans to Mars mission in the relatively still recent 1988 Heavy lift Russian Energia rocket technology
- Charbax
Todd: he gave me a long answer but yes but it will need a lot of power.
- Robert Scoble
via iPhone
I have to go. I will answer rest when I get to London.
- Robert Scoble
via iPhone
Charbax 3 years is an unrealistic timeframe for a safe and prolonged mission to Mars
- KyNam Doan
we need to find ways of creating various things - space borne farms, various stations in between Earth, moon and mars. The more humans we can ship off this planet, the greater the impact we will have upon it and the greater amount of goods we can produce to support this number of us.
- alphaxion
KyNam: ok, i want to know what knowledge that has had a big impact. everything is a trade. i am not doubting it, but i think NASA has a marketing problem in that I cannot tell you the key knowledge we have gained and its impact. should we spend the next $ on space or sea exploration? and that is just one option
- lew
How far ahead is NASA planning? Is anyone thinking about trying to reach any of the exoplanets? Generation ships? A little closer to home, are they sending any probes out to the Kuiper belt to study any of the new dwarf planets? Any missions to the Oort cloud?
- Victor Ganata
Cool, thanks Robert. It seems like high magic to me.
- Todd Hoff
Basic science is never sexy. If we based all our research targets on market value, we may never have figured out how to make fire.
- Victor Ganata
You should definitely try to get a Wimbledon tennis final ticket for Sunday. It'd be really nice to see some live real-time blogging from there. And IBM has TONS of awesome new technologies they are showcasing at Wimbledon, like this http://www.youtube.com/watch... IBM Seer is the best Android application ever made, one of the most impressive mobile phone applications
- Charbax
Victor nobody would invest in fire. Too risky. They would invest in a new rock that was more accurate in flight because the was just an incremental technology leap. Low risk high reward.
- Todd Hoff
Robert, this is excellent thanks. I'm sure he's a bit shocked
- Jay Shapiro
via iPhone
KyNam Doan, Obama can announce the Mission to Mars for within his second term then. And the safety should not be the absolute priority. We are 6 billion people waiting for scientific results and there are thousands of Astronauts who would line up to go on a Mission to Mars even if it was very dangerous.
- Charbax
Charbax, the thing is, if we sent a mission to Mars and it failed, would we even have any hope of attempting a second venture?
- Victor Ganata
There are Astronauts that have been irradiated for years on Mir and on ISS already. So I wonder how much worse the irradiation can be for the Humans to Mars program. As long as the Astronauts can make it through the 6 months journey there, and eventually the 2.5 year journey if they have to come back.
- Charbax
We should send at least 4 teams of 4 Astronauts up to Mars at the same time, to multiply the chances of success.
- Charbax
Charbax, Of course I'm concerned for the lives of the astronauts, but safety refers also to the integrity of the mission itself. 6 months transit time each way + playtime is a lot of time for things to go wrong and blow billions of dollars into space.
- KyNam Doan
Yeah, obviously, I don't want anyone killed, but like KyNam Doan, I'm thinking that a failed mission to the Moon would be far less costly than a failed mission to Mars. And we'll definitely learn things about colonizing planets just by going to the Moon.
- Victor Ganata
The argument of the Mars Direct mission is of course it's advanced technology and we need to spend $30 Billion developing and building it, but the basic technology of building those Humans to Mars lander and return vehicles (that could also generate fuel for the return vehicles mixing Hydrogen with the Methane on Mars), those technologies are not _that_ much different then the technologies we had in the 70ies for Appollo or the technologies we have with Shuttle and the ISS
- Charbax
ask him what he thinks of the Navy's SPAWAR lab finding fast neutrons in their Cold Fusion experiments. :-)
- Karim
Going back to the Moon, unless we want to somehow Mine it for some type of ressource, I think would be a total waste of time! we can get 1000x more science out of going to Mars, and it is _not_ much more expensive. Sending a vehicle to Mars is not much different than the one sent to the Moon, it's just a different trajectory and 6 months instead of 3 days of travel.
- Charbax
Make it a one-way flight. That should cut down on the weight for fuel and increase the amount of equipment they have to create a base on Mars. Land them at the pole so they have a chance of extracting water and oxygen from the atmosphere and with enough supplies to last years on the surface while they try and figure out how we will survive there. As unlikely the success of such a venture would be you will still get people signing up for it and you know that necessity is the mother of invention.
- Sam Pullara
There are astronauts living on ISS for more than 6 months already, they eat and have a fine time up there. So why not simply put them on a trajectory to Mars and that's it.
- Charbax
Yeah, but once they're out of Earth orbit, they won't be getting those shuttle visits to resupply and repair stuff.
- Victor Ganata
Sam Pullara, what you can easilly do is send more empty ships up there. One other ship could have a lot of Hydrogen, it would mix with the Methane on mars to generate enough fuel to launch the Astronauts back to Earth 1.5 years after they land. You can if you want, land another ship close by with extra food and tools. You simply launch several ships at the same time.
- Charbax
I'm all for taking it straight to Mars, was just skeptical about such a short time frame. The one-way trip Sam suggested may be the best bet for "success." Sans family et al + spaceskills, I'd sign up :P
- KyNam Doan
Well the Mars Direct plan is essentially a one way trip, until you walk or drive over to the Earth-return vehicle that was sent before or at the same time. Also, you can send the Astronauts now, and figure out later how to send them back. In the US, there are millions of people that have to stay in small prison cells for years and years. Why can't we have a few volunteer scientists up there for at least 1.5 years and maybe more, this shouldn't take 20 years to find a solution before something is done.
- Charbax
Does NASA only take flight surgeons/aerospace medicine-boarded physicians?
- Victor Ganata
I think NASA should take video-bloggers and broadcast the whole thing live in HD, it'd be the Mars HD channel. Over the years of the project, just ad revenue could finance perhaps as much as half the $30 Billion Humans to Mars project cost.
- Charbax
"He says we have to go to the moon first" - why does this sound like NASA never reached the moon and it was all a hoax. I didn't expect to hear these words I tell ya.
- Prasoon
How about robotic collaboration? Why not send the robots first to build some infrastructure collect, process resources. Once we have a very high probability that there are enough resources to build and return humans the humans land in a plush, and luxurious mars pad? Basically, I am strongly in favor of Human - Mars, but dont see it as the rush, we should have some time to do it in style.
- Robert Higgins
Prasoon: when he says they have to go to the moon first, he means they need to establish a base on the moon as a jumping off point for Mars. So, if your goal is Mars, you gotta go to the moon first.
- Robert Scoble
It was an incredible 10 hours. We tasted wine, talked about philosophy, talked about radiation and how they are building new sensors to sense increases in radiation due to random sun activity so that people in space can seek shelter in time, talked about why humans explore (he thinks we're programmed to explore by evolution), and a bunch of other things.
- Robert Scoble
All you need to explore I think is mobility + curiosity + irrationality. Those drives make for explorers.
- Todd Hoff
Agree that humans are hard-wired to explore, but desire to build a way-station on Mars will build as people understand that we live on an unpredictable and active planet in an active solar system with an active sun in an active galaxy. The sci-fi movies are right; we are always close to disaster of some sort. Thus, the need for shelter elsewhere.
- Brenda Young
put simply, until we have colonies on other planets, our species is already dead. Just a matter of time.
- alphaxion
When Robert does an experiment, it isn't just an attention getter or a publicity stunt. The questions he asks and experiments he does are backed by a thought process and a desired result set, an then he shares the results with everyone on his bog or ff and entices discussion that everyone learns from. Awesome stuff, he really is "Passionate about the Internet"
- Erik Boles
via iPhone
Plus, what's really going on here is groups will soon be used to make searches. So, having "secret" Twitter accounts with different groups will let you build searches no one else will have. FriendFeed already has this and it's INVALUABLE.
- Robert Scoble
You are right Robert, it has no value. Hoarding searches is anti-internet.
- Todd Hoff
Robert, instead of creating secret groups why not cut back your current groups to a manageable number? I recently cut back the number of people I follow on Twitter from over 2000 to under 400 and have found it be a lot more useful.
- Brett Nordquist
The same thing could be done on Facebook or Friendfeed. Why not start with the right sized group from the start or cull it back to where it makes sense for you?
- Brett Nordquist
The big win of grouping and multiple followed's (grouping makes following thousands useful I think) is that it allows you to listen (Reverse asynchronous communication). If you only talk and never listen you have become a 140 character newspaper. Are YOU RAC'd?!
- Erik Boles
via iPhone
Brett: because these systems suck. If you have followers and you want them to be able to DM you you must follow them back.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Good point. They can still reach you with an @. And I thought you disliked DMs? :-)
- Brett Nordquist
Todd: I'd love to be able to share the search results filtered by my groups. I've spent a lot of time picking some of my groups and they are bringing me huge value.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, some things, like news tips, need to be private so @ doesn't work. I hate DMs, but I've given up because people like using them. On FriendFeed DMs are actually pretty darn nice.
- Robert Scoble
I'd like to have a local group of followers whom I can ask about doctor recommendations, best place to buy tires or find a piano teacher for my kids. I haven't figured out how to do that yet. I do know that I'm using Twitter, FF and FB for searches I would have used Google for even a year ago. When I bought an iPhone I just asked my followers which apps I should look at first. Much more valuable than searching Google or Bing. At least for me.
- Brett Nordquist
To curate exclusive groups for the express purpose of walling off information goes way beyond the careful selection of groups to monitor.
- Todd Hoff
You could always verify your account using your voice http://www.voiceboo.com then they would know its you. Was a system we did to show off vooices as it seems to be more of a problem lately of people creating fake accounts. V annoying.
- Paul Rawlings
What if you made it a Twitter verified account?
- Zachary TG
Zachary: I don't know how to make that happen and, anyway, people haven't yet gotten used to that.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, but for future reference if you decide to later, just go to http://twitter.com/help... for information on it. They may let you get one, for you are an important person.
- Zachary TG
Whats the process to get Twitter to verify an account? Do they actively contact people?
- Paul Rawlings
Now you're just getting lazy with your scripts!
- Mike Nayyar
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- Logical Extremes
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- Logical Extremes
So it's since Tuesday huh? The ultimate thread. How will the thread die then? We must have a limit for that, let's say 24h without one comment.
- Zu_ElijahBailey
As a side note, I do have to applaud the endurance and pettiness of those of us on FriendFeed. No one on Facebook gave this status update a second look!
- Mike Nayyar
We pride ourselves in our pettiness and obsessiveness. Um, wait.
- Logical Extremes
Remember. It's not whole Scoble likes. It's who likes Scoble.
- Akiva Moskovitz
According to FriendFeed, that's everyone. And some Twitter marketers and SEO experts.
- Mike Nayyar
Mike will get in the last word. Eventually. Everyone else is an idiot for playing his little game. Me included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not actually playing. Or, if I am, I'm playing to lose.
- Akiva Moskovitz
HAHA! You see that? Robert Scoble acknowledges I will eventually win! HAHA! FINALLY! For once in my life, I win! :) :) :) :) Unless Logical shows up...
- Mike Nayyar
Only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
- Logical Extremes
Nah, the FFundercats live chat pushed that one way over the top. We are, however, testing the limits oh how sick people are getting of setting my face.
- Mike Nayyar
This thread has a lot of comments, that must mean Mike is an expert of some kind...or maybe an A-Lister. Must stalk^H^H^H^H^Hinvestigate him...
- Rahsheen ™
Wow losts of comments...shame this is the last comment though.
- Nicholas James
Olympus too? Good thing Logical doesn't know any Japanese mythological figures.
- Mike Nayyar
All right, if you're going to play that way, Raijin AND Ajisukitakahikone are BOTH mad at you. And Raijin was especially unhappy because you interrupted his NOMmage of children's bellybuttons.
- Logical Extremes
Dude, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Raijin put down the platter.
- Logical Extremes
We'd be content, of course, if you (Mike) issued a public retraction of the assertion in your post, followed by allowing someone else to post the last comment in the thread ;-)
- Logical Extremes
LE: Someone is going to go "last" again and it will continue ;)
- Nicholas James
Logical made it into a competition and now alot of people want to hold the title as the last comment on this thread. It will eventually stop when people give up and/or another one is made ;)
- Nicholas James
Gordon: No-one is going to give up. Well about 85% of the people on here already have...its just time to wait for the remaining people to give up and let me post "LAST"
- Nicholas James