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Seven days until go time! 12/12/09 http://leibee-scoblewedding.com
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Nervous? Nah, you americans probably handle being in the limelight and speeches etc. much better than us isolated and nocturnal norwegians ;) but truth be told, I only seriously got the jitters half an hour before she came up the aisle of the church.
- Thomas Bøhm
from iPhone
Nervous, excited, stressed, ready for it to be done...all of the above. :) Going to be a long week. Can't wait for all the family and friends to get here.
- Alex Scoble
THIS IS REAL.
- Derrick
Is it a one day affair or a weekend with several parties ?
- Thomas Bøhm
We have bachelor bowling for the gents and Zoo Lights for the ladies on Thursday, rehearsal dinner on Friday and then the real deal on Saturday.
- Alex Scoble
The most important thing IMO... keep reminding yourself to settle down and enjoy the time/events/people who show up. It's such a crazy whirlwind when it's all going on you've got to focus on not letting it just wash over you. During the reception, Al and I would find each other and center ourselves to make sure we would be able to soak it in. It's the best.
- SAM
If your buddies are anything like mine: Keep control of the wine flow to that part of the table ! "Funny" comments during your speech is not what a nervous groom needs:) Anyway, after the speech it was a delightful evening where everything was arranged for us and I didn´t have to worry about anything. Doesn´t happen often.
- Thomas Bøhm
Sweet site btw.
- Thomas Bøhm
Thanks :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
How exciting!
- Rene Wirtz
Ustream it
- Rodfather
from Android
Yes! Set your brother to ustream it :)
- Thomas Bøhm
thats a great way to showcase the wedding ,, well done .. congrats and best wishes ..
- johnpiercy
I'm so happy for you, Alex. I would tune in for ustream but I have a feeling your whole crew will have a lot going on that day. :) Congratulations!
- Holly Rae, FFer
btw I love that you asked Mom first
- Holly Rae, FFer
Why did you schedule it at the same time as my commencement? Now I can't invite you :(
- Kevin L
...
- ★ Soner Gönül
I am NOT live streaming my brother's wedding. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Aw
- Rodfather
Where would the walrus check in?
Travis Koger and Susan Beebe liked this
Foursquare
- Jesse Stay
and Half Moon Bay Ritz
- Jesse Stay
Oh, that's my kind of walrus!
- Robert Scoble
I started checking in at the kids playground down the street from me now that it's in Salt Lake City
- Jesse Stay
Wherever he wants?
- Sheryl
Goo goo ga joob
- Ken Camp
Home - with April, Camilla and Thomas :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Where are the best buckits?
- Jemm
At the front desk of the Indianapolis Airport Hilton (I used to clerk there)
- Melanie Reed
I've started referring to the HMB Ritz as the Fortress of Scobletude.
- DGentry
Fwd: Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim... (via http://friendfeed.com/realtim...) I will have a ton of hats on show.
Why are you posting via Friendfeed? Seeing the ff.im link in twitter caught me off-guard.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Cause I am lazy and it was easy.
- Robert Scoble
Fedora? Tophat? Baret? Cap?
- Jesse Stay
Haha. Just wanted to rub the observation in. Glad you still acknowledge that FF is an easy tool to use, I'm 100% behind you these days on the conversation ratio is too low to stay on the service as often though, it just not as interesting anymore. It just proves that technology is only as effective as it's audience makes it.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Pam Gwenzi, Francine Hardaway, George Tsiolis and 7 other people liked this
Will start in a few minutes, I'm hanging out waiting for the usual Skype call. I will have a ton of different hats on today's show.
- Robert Scoble
let the games begin
- Vezquex: God of FF
First hat will be a google one. Let's see if Gillmor can get me to put on the Silverlight one.
- Robert Scoble
dividing attention between this and health care debate. It could be an interesting exercise.
- Karoli
Karoli: cool, one conversation is important. You figure out which one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i never did like silverlight
- Chris Jackson
You have actual hats?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Yes. Lots of hats.
- Robert Scoble
I heard you were handed your hat a few times last night ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
a few, yes
- Robert Scoble
and it begins
- michael sean wright
we are on!
- Robert Scoble
Dan Farber of CBS News.
- Robert Scoble
comcast merger, anyone?
- Karoli
Squeeee! Doc's back...been way too long.
- Karoli
I have one of those Google caps.
- Vezquex: God of FF
I'm sure that Google knowing every time anybody on the internet visits any other site has nothing to do with it, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
Great for Analytics.
- Vezquex: God of FF
i.e. inserting themselves (potentially) into every client->server connection process
- Ken Sheppardson
it's not just delivery, it's content control.
- Karoli
Adds a new spin to the net neutrality argument
- Ken Sheppardson
robert, comcast might not want you to use bing. they might want you to only use yahoo.
- Karoli
More media consolidation in the hands of fewer and fewer corporations is always a good thing
- Gregg H.
Dan Farber, Doc Searls, Scoble and Marks on today's Gillmor Gang: Live Now - http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
It's also interesting in the context of the fact DirecTV viewers no longer get the Versus sports network, as they couldn't negoiate a deal with Comcast
- Ken Sheppardson
ask Al Gore how he feels about their negotiations re: Current TV
- Karoli
and Versus carries a lot of the niche or edge sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
great point, Doc.
- Karoli
Comcast is very aggressive in keeping out local competitors - they have bought every local cable company or forced them out. They have locked out all local sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, here in San Francisco we couldn't get the Stanford/Cal game this fall... it was on Versus. And it means no daily, live Tour de France coverage next July :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
It was "rooter" before people started to mispronounce it.
- Gregg H.
I wonder what this means for their TV On Demand section - currently NBC is not listed for any shows and CBS is very big in that list. Will this change and now NBC will only be On Demand? Will Hulu now be a Comcast Cable only site?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The Network has changed to the point that combining cable + tv production can't corner the market in anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
consolidation of power and message control
- Karoli
cliff, they own the network.
- Karoli
Messages can be sent from any node.
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff, if i have no access to nbc news because i'm not a comcast subscriber, the messages aren't especially helpful.
- Karoli
Don't you have access to NBC news via the network?
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff - they already "load balance" based on where/when you are streaming from/to - so now what's to prevent them from load balancing all ABC/CBS sites in favour of NBC?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cliff, will I continue to?
- Karoli
@Karoli - Comcast/NBC will become an out of network network :)
- Rob La Gesse
I am sitting at lunch with a Silverlight guy:-)
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Video feed is fine.
- Rob La Gesse
video is fine here
- Chris Jackson
Comcast is on to yous guys
- Vezquex: God of FF
There's no need to fear silverlight. It will die quickly. HTML 5 will make sure of that.
- Gregg H.
Mixing Content and Conduit is always a bad business idea
- Stephen Pickering
Michael Arrington just joined the Gillmor Gang: Live now at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Tradeoff? Silverlight is a 15 second install...
- Rob La Gesse
silverlight will go the way of google gears
- Chris Jackson
Gregg, I'll only believe that when we have the Olympics streamed live in HTML5.
- Vezquex: God of FF
NetFlix watch instantly is a nice example of Silverlight -- this relates to the Comcast deal.
- Cliff Gerrish
Google Gears didn't DO anything - Silverlight does.
- Rob La Gesse
I think all this stuff is inevitable. do we still need cable? or broadcast? for how long?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Vezquex, you'll see it
- Gregg H.
Francine, the argument against the acquistion is that they'll control the Network. They won't.
- Cliff Gerrish
That's a good question - will Comcast/NBC still allow Netflix/Mediafly content to be streamed at full speed or will it become traffic shaped
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
you mean will the net be.. you know... neutral?
- Ken Sheppardson
Google will spank properties that throttle - that alone will keep them playing fair.
- Rob La Gesse
All proprietary un-free software and platforms will lose in the long run.
- Gregg H.
Windows is dog slow on good rigs, whereas Chrome OS is fast even on weak hardware.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Cliff, they already do. If I am watching a streaming video for more than 5 minutes I get traffic shaped. If i'm watching Comcast On Demand I do not. Will Hulu now be traffic shaped or will it get a pass? That what will be the clue if they are acting in a network neutral manner
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
CrunchPad update?
- Ken Sheppardson
that's what i'm waiting for - CrunchPad questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
what's traffic shaped
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Silverlight adjusts to the speed of the bandwidth...
- Cliff Gerrish
scoble - diet coke is bad.....
- Chris Jackson
Francine - it is basically throttling of your bandwidth based on content and/or destination
- Rob La Gesse
Francine - if i'm streaming a video on Comcast the first 5 or so minutes are at my full bandwidth capability (15mbs) but if I continue past that point the speed of the video drops to less than 1mbs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But Silverlight is from Microsoft. How can it be good?
- Vezquex: God of FF
See Moonlight + Mono....
- Cliff Gerrish
Amazing Silverlight is actually seeing some traction. Developer Cuz predicted it would 2 years ago.
- JimmyJet
When Google switches Youtube videos to Ogg Theora natively palyabe in HTML 5 Browsers I think Gillmor and others that deride the importance of free software codecs and platforms will have a revelation
- Gregg H.
bah - I have to run an errand - I wish the video show could be viewed later
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wish those questions had been asked in 2001
- Karoli
Bear - it can - they are always posted on building43.com a few days later.
- Rob La Gesse
Gillmor Gang is available on YouTube - your DVR of choice...
- Cliff Gerrish
google'll be using h264 and html5 video before any os codec
- Kevin Marks
Silverlight is as un-free as you can get.
- Gregg H.
oh snap! I had no clue - thanks rob and cliff
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Silverlight is every bit as free as Google Search
- Rob La Gesse
Silverlight is free (as in beer).
- Vezquex: God of FF
Mike is trying to open one of those un-openable plastic wrapped packages - I feel for you, Mike!
- Rob La Gesse
be careful Mike, sharp edges on that package.
- michael sean wright
scissors help, Mike.
- Karoli
lol, karoli.
- Hilary Talbot
Ubuntu netbook remix
- Vezquex: God of FF
Mike - use a hand grenade, Those suckers are tough!
- Rob La Gesse
seriously, take a pair of scissors and cut it. It works. surgically, even.
- Karoli
Is locked down linux an open system?
- Cliff Gerrish
The importance of the use of our computer devices in our lives are fundamental. That's why the software and hardware has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. The software and hardware providers control our lives. That's the problem Steve.
- Gregg H.
But you need a real computer to debug anything. You couldn't actually debug from within Chrome OS.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Is ChromeOS going to give you access to the command line?
- Cliff Gerrish
Gregg - that's crazy. As crazy as "free" healthcare.
- Rob La Gesse
strange disconnect between these guys talking about high tech and Mike opening a plastic insane package with his teeth.
- Karoli
"free" as in freedom
- Gregg H.
CromiumOS is free
- Gregg H.
Rob, "free" as in accessible to all but a few elite.
- Karoli
Freedom isn't free - far from it.
- Rob La Gesse
free as in kittens
- Kevin Marks
The importance of the use of cars, homes, electricity and food in our lives are fundamental. That's why cars, homes, electricity and food has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. [oh, "free" free]
- Ken Sheppardson
Chromium is NOT free. I pay for it with my attention and my gestures - and Google profits off both.
- Rob La Gesse
free as in radical
- Ken Sheppardson
"opening a plastic insane package with his teeth" Either a good way to take out aggression or raise blood pressure, take your choice.
- JimmyJet
the livestream from SuperNova has been great. Good panels and very good discussions.
- Jerry Schuman
If we understand that phones are going to the Network -- why don't we see that television is going there as well.
- Cliff Gerrish
Aside from a philosophical view. After being Windows free for 2 years and being free of malware, spyware, adware, and not having to run virus scan software and all that crap, I really don't understand why people like Gillmor think Linux is second class to Windows. I would never want the pain and horrible experience of using Windows again purely for practical reasons.
- Gregg H.
Gregg, I understand Windows 7 is quite nice. I'm planning to buy a cheap Windows 7 notebook as a backup machine.
- Karoli
Right CLiff.
- Francine Hardaway
Right. I have both GV, Vonage and Ribbit, and I have one phone number. It's my cell phone
- Francine Hardaway
we just went off air
- Jerry Schuman
off air?
- Vezquex: God of FF
oops, looks like we lost the feed.
- Karoli
lost it....
- Chris Jackson
Back shortly
- Cliff Gerrish
it's back
- Ken Sheppardson
Windows 7 rocks.
- Robert Scoble
oops - who tripped over the cord?
- Rob La Gesse
hit refresh
- Jerry Schuman
We know we're off the air. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
You're not :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
o - is steve G. running this on a win 7 box??
- Chris Jackson
We should be back now.
- Robert Scoble
get the tricaster a cooling fan stat
- Brian Hendrickson
off again
- Jerry Schuman
the conversation never stopped on our side, though.
- Robert Scoble
sad
- Vezquex: God of FF
Something is wacky. My video has sucked the whole time.
- Robert Scoble
We are recording this, though, and will have the whole thing up.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not getting a feed.
- Francine Hardaway
Please don't make me watch the Hummingbird Nest Cam.
- michael sean wright
Want to know if Michael gets that Magic Jack package open.
- JimmyJet
Shouldve used Justin.tv & Google Video Chat ahead of FF
- A.Karriem A. Khan
it's back
- Vezquex: God of FF
You guys should talk a bit about Status.net, formerly Laconi.ca. Evan Proudomu just got over $1 Mil in VC. It could wind up being a very viable free federated decentralized competitor to Twitter.
- Gregg H.
FF is good for importing to gmail & DataMining yourself AUTOMAGICALLY , Like TwitCloud http://www.building43.com/realtim...
- A.Karriem A. Khan
Gregg: yeah, that will come up soon. Evan blocked me though. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Tell Doc I said hi
- Jesse Stay
Robert. I would love to see an interview with Status.net guys on Building43
- Gregg H.
Hi Doc and Dan and Robert...travel safely, all! thanks for the show. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, we'll see what we can do regarding status.net.
- Robert Scoble
Cool
- Gregg H.
Email is saved! Inbox2 rocks. Here is why: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Can we get an invite code? :)
- Aaron Myers
Invite Code please! ?
- Jigar Mehta
Yeah Robert, ask them to let you post some invite codes to FriendFeed!
- Ben Kessler
Get us all hyped up and no codes? C'mon Robert, score some codes for us.
- Jim Graham
Robert, score a code, for a Pie ala mode...:)
- Fred Tabsharani
Codes, or it didn't happen!
- David Lloyd
Codes Robert. CODES.
- Robert Taylor
Actually just requested an invite code last week. Would love one if you have any.
- Kevin Whalen
Invite code :) please
- Susan Beebe
Well now we're all interested. So invite codes would be awesome. Please.
- Vlad Bobleanta
sounds awesome - yes, codes!
- Karma Martell
another request for some codes...
- Paul
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
me want codes now, give um me code
- David Lloyd
Yep yep, give us some codes please.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I think I can see you from here :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Just go to their site, they will send you the codes in an email.
- Elizabeth Good
sometime next year maybe!
- David Lloyd
How long does it take for them to send the invite?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
we are btw also on twitter @inbox2 @waseemsadiq and our blog http://blog.inbox2.com (shameless self promotion)
- Waseem Sadiq
Cool! Email sent.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Eh, looks like an AIR app.
- Akiva Moskovitz
hmm, me thinks: Soon, a Scoblizer recommendation will be as mighty as being listed in Oprah's book club list...
- Michelle
What a tease! I have already requested for an invite and now waiting...thanks Robert.
- Rahul Mirakhur
hmm... over a month and no response... oh well
- Kevin Whalen
Yeah, ditto -- and after they asked us to email them so they could add us to the beta list...
- Paul
You guys allready seen this? http://www.inbox2.com/account...
- Waseem Sadiq
Robert, was this post sent directly from your phone? How do you do that?
- Skyler Call
Hey, it'd be nice if you invite me to try Inbox2. The 'Request Invite' feature is not working.
- Dnyanesh
ahh yes...
Amani, Holly Rae, FFer, Kol Tregaskes and 16 other people liked this
Hello again, I almost forgot I had a FriendFeed account. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Getting the whale a lot today too.
- SAM
I was getting a bad gateway in Tweetie, and I knew coming to Friendfeed would give me answers :)
- Chris Brakebill
from iPod
Without the firehose FriendFeed isn't as useful.... except in moments like these.
- Jacob
Well howdy Robert--must be a NASTY Twitter failure... :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
The oh-so-familiar-thought-you-were-on-holiday Fail Whale. Must be cyber monday thing.
- Jeff Hurt
Twitter went down right as I was updating TweetDeck, so I guess I'll have to wait to find out how the new version works.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I am *so* sick of this screen.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
A harrowing 21 minutes.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Me too John! The anticipation is - well, it's not killing me actually.
- Call me Bronco
Just figured-out the Lists function in the new Tweetdeck--Now, lists are all gone--sorry everyone. I broke it.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
How do you sync your old tweetdeck groups and make them lists?
- Amani
Amani--when you DL new version of TweetDeck included are video tutorials on how to do that.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Hmmm ... so now when we add people to lists while using Tweetdeck, do we do it within Tweetdeck or the web version?
- Amani
Both/ either
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
like magic
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
there is no sync--tweetdeck is adding to twitter's lists directly.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Wow - it did work like magic.Thanks. How do we add our geo-location?
- Amani
Fail whale. MORE PRODUCTIVITY! Oh, and hello again FriendFeed. Backup for the whale. :-)
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Ain't it the truth!
- Gregg Morris
Guess that answers my question. Twitter must be down. ;(
- David Damore
Twitter is definitely down.
- Robert Scoble
Heh--I was wondering when you would show-up. :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Seems like a hard fail right now.
- David Damore
Ahoy!
- phil baumann
you know it!
- DanielthePoet
"Twitter is over capacity. Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again." Didn't know people had so much to say about Charlie Weis
- David Damore
It's been down for at least five minutes already. This is the longest I've seen the fail whale in months.
- Robert Scoble
F5 F5 F5 WTF???
- David Damore
so are you starting to get the shakes? How long can you go without tweeting?
- Ben Reierson
Responding to high error rate 21 seconds ago Starting about 10 minutes ago, we began experiencing a very high rate of errors and we are working on the underlying problem.
- David Damore
would be more productivity if there was no FF ( twitter backup )
- Mihai Secasiu
Grrr.
- James Myatt
Looks like they had a similar problem about a week ago with elevated error rates.
- David Damore
Hello again? Like the girlfriend once scorned, should we accept your advances now? :)
- Louis Gray
Zing!
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Fixed now for you folks?
- David Damore
Looks like Twitter is better now.
- David Damore
Not fixed here. I skipped the '?' and had my hopes up. F5 F5
- Tim
Hey it's back... nope there it goes again. And back... nope gone again.
- SAM
Hmmmmmm
- David Damore
Back down here again too :(
- David Damore
Are you going to stay this time? :-)
- Jesse Stay
How would Google Wave be useful right now?
- David Damore
Wow 15 minutes and counting. We're approaching pre @aplusk days
- Tim
@ David - well this looks like an interesting Wave - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- phil baumann
lol
- Mark
and is Twitter down? I never noticed.
- Jesse Stay
Is @aplush pre or post Oprah? Joking
- David Damore
lol@jesse
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Thanks Phil
- David Damore
So what was trending when it went down?
- phil baumann
Dave - sure. Interesting use case. Definitely spam would be something Google would have to work on.
- phil baumann
not sure what was trending but there was quite a lot of activity on #Spill - in Oz our opposition party is having a meltdown and are spilling the leadership in 30 mins time
- Hilary Talbot
Phil: That was really interesting. Surprised that that shooting never gained traction on Twitter. Did it ever trend? Seems like it was all about Mr. Woods the past few days.... and shopping
- David Damore
Hi everyone. Hope you are all surviving without twitter lol. Great to see you all here.
- snysctt
It's back
- Tim
For how long though lol
- snysctt
Twitter Lists are gone :o!
- snysctt
Back up. I think the FAIL Whale actually dreams of FriendFeed succeeding and killing Twitter. :)
- phil baumann
@snysctt Good catch on noticing the missing lists. Call out an APB!
- David Damore
Thanks! :-)
- snysctt
I think I broke my F5 button lol
- snysctt
Glad FF is the backup! </sarcasm> ...seriously though, I'd prefer people do one or the other. I don't reply to most of your comments because you're on Twitter and I refuse to get a Twitter account. Lame service.
- Scott Carmichael
CodyBrown: Agreed. This is egregious RT @arrington: how does NYTimes write about pay 2 pitch and not include @jason or TC50 http://bit.ly/6yulHi - http://twitter.com/CodyBro...
Ken Morley and ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0, liked this
This is a sample of all that is wrong with Twitter -- is there any meaning in this post? Or do I have to follow a dozen different people and read a dozen websites to figure it out. I know this can happen here as well sometimes -- but come in -- this is like morse code.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah it looks awful. Is Scoble talking to Codybrown with the usage of :, is he RTing CodyBrown? Perhaps RTing Arrington?
- Mark
Brian: this is on my Favorites Feed. It's an Twitter-to-RSS-to-FriendFeed translation problem. If you read my Favorites feed directly at http://twitter.com/scoblei... you would see exactly what this is about. But, seriously, this post is a retweet by @CodyBrown who agrees with @arrington who is bitching about the New York Times, who wrote an article without crediting TechCrunch's work on this topic (TechCrunch is the one who broke this story and pushed it along).
- Robert Scoble
I guess the real solution is to hide this feed then.
- Brian Sullivan
I agree with Brian Sullivan. Twitter is just too hard to follow the conversation.
- Leigh Marriner
Brian Solis at Bub.blicio.us: Introducing the FriendFeed Team - http://bub.blicio.us/1111126...
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Tudor Bosman, Lysender, ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0, and 148 other people liked this
Brian, as always, takes great pictures, even with questionable subjects. The pictures are from tonight's open house.
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Great pic Louis and tell them I love them all, best product on the web right now
- Thomas Power
Great photo!
- Bret Taylor
Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox.
- Tudor Bosman
yes; awesome photo!
- Tudor Bosman
(Not pictured: Ben Golub, Gary Burd and Ross Miller)
- Louis Gray
Some of our Turkish friends are also there http://ff.im/3mt6T.. Thanks for the pictures
- Murat Buyurgan
Great Photo :)
- Nimaa
You didn't tell me there was a FriendFeed party this week or I would have come out :-)
- Jesse Stay
Tudor SMASH!
- dario
Jesse: I haven't been able to make a friendfeed party for a while. We need a calendar! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
اینا هم حلقه دارن. رونوشت به مازیار و مهران اینا
- Aly
Rock on, Kevin!
- Josh Haley
Great PPs!!加油，Friendfeed！:)))
- K.D.
That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys!
- Zackatoustra
FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!!
- Renchin(Reina)Wang
So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-))
- ianf ⌘
TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality.
- AJ Kohn
Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house!
- Brian Solis
I think I spotted Hutch (http://friendfeed.com/bhc3) in an uncaptioned photo wearing a white "San Francisco Classic" shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes, Daniel. That is Hutch.
- Louis Gray
Fun party, great food, great hospitality.
- Anne Bouey
Anne - great finally meeting you yesterday.
- Hutch Carpenter
great photo, good to see the whole team together!
- Jeroen De Miranda
oooh i am totally wishing i was there! Robert is right, we need a calendar! :)
- Susan Beebe
Hutch: Thanks. I enjoyed chatting with you, too.
- Anne Bouey
what's with the guitar? lol
- Stuart Evans
(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...)
- Louis Gray
علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعیه؟ :)))
- Mehran
:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم
- Aly
:)))
- Mehran
I am beginning to finally get it... If you post on Friendfeed you get comments... If you post on Twitter, you get followers. If you are marketing something (e.g. your blog/brand, your product/service) getting followers is much better than getting comments.
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And if you are not wanting to get marketed to?
- Cristo
You need to than unfollow those users...:)) Twitter is a lot more about broadcasting and getting followers is like a drug.. the more you broadcast the more followers you get :)
- Bindu Reddy
Are you getting high right now? :)
- Cristo
Getting followers doesn't really mean anything: 390 of the 400 followers I have on Twitter never act or do anything with what I say on it. Getting them to convert is the meaningful part of the marketing proposition, and conversations, I've found, are far more effective at that.
- Mark Trapp
Mark is right.
- Robert Scoble
So, what's the FAQ for interaction on Twitter? I had a post that got 100+ comments the other day here on Friendfeed but no response on Twitter. I must be doing something wrong over there.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
twitter seems to be great for people who are lazy and not really savvy about marketing. it's sort of like shouting into the void, and you might get a few people to respond, but do you really get people to act?
- Bren, Not Grinchy
@Mark, I agree with you.. However to a lot of people having a follower number like 10K/20K, which seems like a relatively easily thing to do on Twitter, is not only just a high but it is also a good way to keep in touch with your audience without spending too much time... Here keeping in touch with your audience is way more time consuming
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, but keeping in touch doesn't mean anything if they're not listening. You can have a million followers, but if you're not getting any of them to act on what you're saying, it doesn't mean much. Getting conversations going with people, who may or may not be followers, which Twitter is pretty bad at, are more effective at getting people to convert. I just had a relatively popular...
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- Mark Trapp
Bindu, I'm following you (FF) and I just commented too :)
- Micah Wittman
@Mark, Curious how did you get them to go to your website?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, if I knew that I'd have it made. Near as I can tell, people were doing Twitter and Google searches for "twitter list," and then started retweeting it and sharing it from there.
- Mark Trapp
Following is such a low-risk endeavor that people don't put thought into it: they'll follow anyone and everyone. You even have people thinking it's common decency to automatically follow people if they follow you without even thinking about if their content is interesting. Following is the 21st century equivalent of receiving a phone book or the yellow pages: you do it just in case you need to contact or get ahold of someone in the future, but nobody ever realistically does.
- Mark Trapp
Yep, it's like collecting business cards that get neatly filed into a big binder. It's about the self-satisfaction of the collection - you feel more connected / networked / important and avoid doing the hard work of cold calling or meeting with people and building something or whatever.
- Micah Wittman
I agree with following being a low-risk effort... However I have also heard of ppl gaining value from Twitter without much effort. Take for example this coffeshop I am a big fan of - sightglass coffee. They get a lot of customers from Twitter. It takes them relatively little time to tweet and they get customers. It would be very hard to achieve the same on FF.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get lots of conversation on Twitter, too. One of the reasons I am there more than here is because people with common interest in my political obsessions are there, but not here.
- Karoli
Karoli - Yes, the Twitterverse is way more diverse than the FFverse. Curious do you get more comments/conversations per post on Twitter as compared to FF or is it that you you post more stuff because time spent per post is lower on Twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get very little response to political conversations/comments on FF - a couple of folks follow here but a very small percentage compared to twitter. I tried to pull people over here, but they didn't understand why they should leave tweetdeck and their twitter setup for new territory.
- Karoli
Geeks (+ early adopters, influential folks, the elite ...) are on FriendFeed and the proletariat on Twitter? Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat? Calls for action work best when the audience actually cares, so prolly that's all about choosing the right medium for the targeted punters?
- Sebastian
Sebastian... yes agree the geeks and tech bloggers are on FF... However if you are marketing say a fashion or beauty blog. You won't get much interest here. twitter is the place for you :)
- Bindu Reddy
I disagree with that statement, Bindu. There's a LOT of non-tech getting traction on FriendFeed. So much so that it's the number one reason Scoble no longer enjoys being here: he says he doesn't see enough tech for his liking.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Just butting in here to mention that there are tons of uses for both twitter and friendfeed that have nothing whatsoever to do with marketing. In fact, once could make the argument that social networks such as these were designed to get away from marketing. Unlike radio, TV, or even a web search, you choose who you'll be receiving information from. If you're looking to exchange...
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- Mr. Gunn
Marketing, schmarketing.
- Christopher A Carr
Bindu, what I'm sick of is marketers broadcasting their sales pitches to all social media outlets out there, regardless whether the audience might fit or not. Anyways, i'ts possible to attract a few somewhat intelligent responses to geeky topics at Twitter, at least when xmas and independence day share the same date. Most probably I wouldn't try to sell wonder bras at FF, though.
- Sebastian
@Tina ... umm I have not been an avid user of FF lately so maybe it has become pretty diverse. Are you saying there are a lot of people on here with specific interests such as politics, beauty etc?
- Bindu Reddy
Sebastian - LOL.. agree :)
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: Ning is a better place to go if you have very specific topics you want to talk about. They are growing a FriendFeed every 12 days (they are getting a million new users that often and have just passed 38 million registered). FriendFeed is fun if you aren't sure what you want to chat about and you're cool with seeing lots of family pictures and goofy stuff. Tina is right that the hard-core geeks are mostly on Twitter or Facebook now, I keep watching here, though.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli I get all kinds of action here on political topics. I have more followers on Twitter but rarely get a response there. Here I got 80+ comments yesterday.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
MVB, Karoli is a prolific voice on twitter. Twitter seems quite effective for political advocacy/activism even though longer form convos have to break out somewhere else. Also, just like friendfeed, volume / steady presence can make all the difference. Your tweet count is ~2K; Karoli's over 63K.
- Micah Wittman
My presence here is similar to Kaoli's on Twitter, then. So, presence is a mitigating factor. But, Micah, as you so deftly point out, for a long conversation there needs to be a move to another venue. That's where here works better, since it can stay right here.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
We agree, and can agreed at length right here, folks :)
- Micah Wittman
So link your twitter to your friendfeed. Get followers and comments. The best of both worlds.
- Hareesh Nagarajan
Does it make any difference here whether the original post was to Twitter and reposted here automatically or the original post was directly here? In other words, does the FF community prefer to comment on direct posts rather than Twitter reposts?
- Jimmy Walker
Jimmy: it honestly depends on who you interact with on FriendFeed. There are people who get irate about people only posting to Twitter and openly advocate using FriendFeed directly, and yet, there are interesting people who always get a conversation going around their tweets. One thing that sometimes helps is coming back to FriendFeed and elaborating on your tweet, or to do more than...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark, that sounds like good advice. Thanks.
- Jimmy Walker
B.Reddy is right.I complately agree with her.A good view,and a good advice for us.Thank you Bindu...
- Dedegi
Following only happens after several good comments. Consistency is the key.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy, I am not sure... Someone body or the other seems to come and follow you based on pretty much anything you twitter. Of course most of these ppl prob. do that expecting a follow back?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: I meant on FF. Twitter...they're pretty loose.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
I don't get followers from posting on Twitter; the only people who see what I post there are my followers.
- Glen Mistletoe
I post both places and get almost nothing... so where's your hypothesis now, huh!? ;-))
- Jim Hearts FF
Post more pics of Johnny in a dress.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
If I was marketing something, I would do both...
- Johnny Worthington
Bindu: As you had said earlier, most of the followers at twitter don't read what you are tweeting. So it is actually better to get comments as you know those who comment read whatever you post.
- Amit
Amit, I completely agree with you about the comments and how no one reads your tweets. As an example I posted a tweet about "anchors" On FF there are 7 likes and 14 comments.. None on twitter. However at the end of the day for every 20 new followers I get 1-2 new friends. On FF much less of that happens. So from a marketing point of view Twitter is better.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, how many people are subbed to you on FF and on Twitter? What are the total number of subs to each? What is the ratio of your subs to the total subs of each? I bet a crisp dollar bill that you are subbed to a higher percentage of subs on FF than on Twitter.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
MVB interesting point of subs. # of subs on Twitter and FF are about the same but the quality of subs is much better on FF. As far as ration goes... yes FF is much better than Twitter and that does have an impact. However I am going to contend that even for people who have many more subs on Twitter (e.g. scoble?) there is much more engagement on FF than twitter. he probably adds more followers though on twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, exactly. Unlike you, I, and most others, are not here to market a product or service so we see a different function of Social Media.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
Social Media 101: It's a two-way street - relationships are formed via interactions, not uni-directional broadcast. :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
This, btw, is true for all forms of marketing / business function - consider a customer support hotline that never get answered by anyone but just sits there as a 1-800 number.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I'd like to think getting sales is even better than followers, come to think of it, getting leads are better than followers too. Followers are overrated.
- Justin Hitt
@Justin... completely agree..
- Bindu Reddy
Steve Gillmor thinks Silverlight is the platform of the future http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... [I think that he missed the memo about the web/html5]
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Is Steve Gillmor the new John Dvorak or just another one? Being contrary seems like a life goal -- maybe just their way of appearing relevant?
- Brian Sullivan
at least the TechCrunch commenters addressed the issue. time to take this convo private
- Steve Gillmor
Steve- Visual Studio2010 is written completely in WPF. So its not a completely ridiculous notion to suggest that Office will be written in WPF/Silverlight at some point in the future.
- Roberto Bonini
EH ? was not Vista built on the WPF foundation too ??
- Peter Dawson
roberto of course. but the idea that I missed the HTML 5 memo and that I'm being contrarian is lamer than the comments on Techcrunch which is a promising trend.
- Steve Gillmor
Visual Studio 2010 used WPF as part of its text editor and rendering engine. By no stretch of the imagination is it 'completely written in WPF'. Vista included .NET 3.5 (as an update) which includes the WPF libraries. No part of Vista used WPF directly. Steve is correct that an Office implementation in Silverlight is inevitable, but it's more a question of positioning rather than engineering.
- David Ing
the message at PDC was loud and strong: WPF and SIlverlight are converging - fast
- Steve Gillmor
exactly david - not technology but strategic shift
- Steve Gillmor
I think the message from PDC is more that WPF is 'resting', as in it's in the 10 year support cycle, and certainly the 'tech de jour' for windows desktop apps but that all the release cycle energy is being put into Silverlight. It's interesting in that SL is starting to diverge slightly in that the Win / Mac runtimes are not quite on par, i.e. when Silverlight crosses the line in being 'better on Windows' then it's completely confused the whole WPF/SL story
- David Ing
any divergence will be met with pushback at the highest levels. please document such issues and point to them so we can leverage them
- Steve Gillmor
It seems msft's intent is for much greater synergies between Spoint/Office etc going forward, various techs involved, with silverlight deeper into 'platform' throughout, but still immature and UI layer...
- oliver marks
Peter: there is almost zero.NET code inside Vista. Also, who said Visual Studio was written on top of .NET (IE, WPF or Silverlight)? That's wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, sorry David. Misread which ever article I read that in. Thanks for clarifying it. Nonetheless, Microsoft is using it's own products because they see it as the future n
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Silverlight Office will center on micromessaging, and it will be sooner than robert's 5 years bet
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, the divergence will be COM, i.e. in Silverlight 4 I can automate MS Office via COM, use Text to Speech in Vista via COM - Microsoft have 14 years of interfaces that Silverlight on Windows can now unlock. If Mac had the equiv then I'm sure they'd do the same, but this is an interesting case where you can write a better SL app 'for windows' than without - makes sense?
- David Ing
yes david
- Steve Gillmor
but linking to old Office is not what I am saying see above
- Steve Gillmor
Yep, I understand, not being contrary, but highlighting that the developers themselves can create divergence of SL if they so choose - so much of world of windows is accessible from COM, and that the Silverlight Out of Browser (SLOOB) is an interesting sweet spot that may have unintended strategic side effects.
- David Ing
Mac compliant apps are the sweet spot. Devs may veer but the trend will be toward interoperability and with Moonlight too.
- Steve Gillmor
I hope so, although mainly just for the 'client' run-time. A big Silverlight for Business Apps push is the updated 'RIA Services' capability. This cements the story that SL is aimed at the business developer with a Windows backend, as in Moonlight and Mono have no RIA service equiv as yet. A large majority of new Silverlight apps being written next year will be for enterprises and be...
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- David Ing
all true but the key apps will support Win/Mac and add point functionality to iphone as demoed in LA.
- Steve Gillmor
The '3-screens' message re:iphone is an odd one, as in if you count Win7Mobile then that's roughly 2.5 screens :). The two iPhone demos at PDC were (1) the mp4 silverlight streaming, i.e. IIS using the SL video codec (more a branding association rather than actual Silverlight) and (2) a web app over the data.gov 'Dallas' store (PHP based ironically). It doesn't take a mac genius to work...
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- David Ing
Robert, Visual studio 2010 is written partly in WPF. Not 2008. Now Microsoft has at least one project with an OS kernal written completely in .net. So Im on steves side on this one.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Oh and Robert, you can tell the difference between the WPF designer in 2010 and the vanilla in in 2008
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
The house is smelling good! Turkey is almost ready. Who's coming over for a friendfeed? Happy Thanksgiving FriendFeeders!
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Happy Thanksgiving
- Aly
i'm coming from Turkey. any problem Rob ? :)))
- Orçun İlbeyli aka Nucro
There will be leftovers for days! Come on over! :-)
- Robert Scoble
i would come over if i was closer :)
- Allen Stern
Happy Thanksgiving Friendfeeders,and Scoble.Happy Religious Festival for The Islams also...In Turkish it's 'Kurban Bayramı', in Arabic; Eid al Adha...Thank You...
- Dedegi
Happy Thanksgiving...
- Nir Ben Yona
Happy Thanksgiving.
- ashish
Happy Turkey Day!
- Scott Carmichael
ditto
- VAL D.
Same here Allen, Happy Thanksgiving
- Wayne Sutton
Happy Thanksgiving!!! WHOOOOO SCOBLE!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family! :-)
- Anna Haro
Happy Thanksgiving Robert!
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Thanksgiving guys
- Jayavasanthan J
Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Eid
- imran
yeah sure, happy back to you
- JSLeFanu
Everyone who is thinking of giving a speech should read @zephoria's post on her Web 2.0 Expo experience. Twitter HAS made it more difficult.
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The era of speeches could be coming to a close. Perhaps we're entering a period of guided discussions. It could kill off the huge conference keynote-- which would be just fine with me. Rarely is anything said that I wouldn't rather just read.
- Kevin Gamble
Organizers too.
- Kartik Agaram
Kevin: I think this is already forcing speakers to improve their game! I know I watch Twitter while I speak and it helps my speaking.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It helps because you answer questions or change the direction of your talk? I do think if you could see the backchannel it would be very helpful. danah didn't have that benefit. Sounded like an awful situation.
- Kevin Gamble
I need ski lessons this year - where's the best ski resort in Utah to get ski lessons? Or should I start with snowboarding?
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Have you never tried either?
- Skyler Call
Skyler, I've been once, a few years ago.
- Jesse Stay
I used to ski, years ago. I took up snowboarding and loved it until I hurt my back wrecking too many times on an icy half-pipe. I want to get my wife interested in skiing so I can pick up skiing again.
- Skyler Call
my suggestion is to make sure that whatever resort you pick uses twitter effectively and is able to clearly explain the benefits - i'd like a photo of you on the slopes in your social media tee lol
- Allen Stern
Allen, Park City Mountain Resort is excellent at that. @krista_parry, who manages that is great.
- Jesse Stay
well there you go Jesse! I mean today I went to the bagel shop and asked if they were using twitter, and even though i love their bagels, when they said no, i just had to leave.
- Allen Stern
Allen I understand your frustration - it's not worth going anywhere these days unless they use Social Media ;-)
- Jesse Stay
My advice dates back to 1979 - Park City.
- Spidra Webster
Learning to ski is easiest day 1, snowboarding day 3. The learning curve is quicker for snowboarding but the first day can be rough.
- Andrew Smith
To learn skiing go five days in a row. Get a private coach in the morning then in the afternoon go out on your own and use what you learned each day. By the end of the week you'll probably be better than me.
- Robert Scoble
I learned how to snowboard in my 30s. Never have learned how to ski. I liked the idea of snowboarding better because you only have to keep track of one piece of equipment instead of 4. Day 1 is rough -- main thing is, if it's icy, make sure that when you fall (and you WILL fall, about 20-30 times the first day), make sure you don't hit your head. If you can make it through day 1, you're golden.
- Stephen Mack
Park City has a great deal right now for Utah residents. I think I'm going to take them up on it: http://startnow.parkcitymountain.com/site... - $25 for lesson, rentals, and lift ticket, and you get 4 additional days for $25 each.
- Jesse Stay
I've actually been once before - I think I only fell once or twice. It's been a long time though.
- Jesse Stay
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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So, what are we talking about on the Gang today?
- Kevin Marks
@KevinMarks, I have something AS related that I'd like to show you next week. I think you'll appreciate it. Cliqset-related.
- Darren
would definitely like to see AS/Webfinger/GProfiles/OpenID being discussed.
- Jamie
I'm available for the Skype call.
- Robert Scoble
Be sure to discuss Information cards if you discuss OpenID
- Jesse Stay
What time is it? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Rob: sorry for running a little late. We'll be starting shortly. Steve, I'm on Skype now.
- Robert Scoble
4:30
- Jesse Stay
1 more minute...
- Robert Scoble
Too late? Nah, nah - it's just earlay, earlay...
- Jesse Stay
glad to see i'm not late. :)
- Karoli
love that 27 in imac Robert
- courtney benson
Mike Arrington is a state now?
- Jesse Stay
the 51st state, Jesse :)
- Roberto Bonini
My quad-core 27" iMac left China today! Can't wait - it arrives before Jason's baby ;)
- Rob La Gesse
If ChromeOS was out today, I would have bought a machine with it, rather than a MacBook for my family.
- Matt Mastracci
Ha.
- Darren
google knoll is now a big part of profiles and now with openid/webfinger google profile is a big item
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Vizard, Scoble, Marks & Calacanis on the Gillmor Gang: Live Now at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Looking forward to buying the Droid this weekend
- courtney benson
It won't hit it for everyone until they have a decent online graphics and financial solution
- Jesse Stay
knol uses google profiles, just as other google apps do - profiles are a service for google apps
- Kevin Marks
They also need to come up with a way to integrate with client-side ID (information cards, selectors, etc)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I see you saw the light at the Kynetx conf... (from cookies to selectors)
- Cliff Gerrish
I think the launch Chrome netbooks will be free
- Jamie
Cliff, my eyes have seriously been opened - I am a new man now. I see a whole new future from that conference
- Jesse Stay
Although I'm still trying to understand it all. It's all still in progress as we speak.
- Jesse Stay
What I think we need is <input type="openid"> for HTML5 so browsers can do clientside ID
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, that would be awesome
- Jesse Stay
how long ago did it start?
- Christopher Harris
<input type="openid"> is the only way OpenID will succeed. It's not usable in its current state right now.
- Matt Mastracci
I don't want clientside, I want personal-cloud-side
- Kurtiss Hare
Matt, agreed
- Jesse Stay
Kurtiss, you need a combination of both - see http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
What people are wedded to is the development IDE - Nobody else has built anything near as compelling as Microsoft's IDE
- Rob La Gesse
Jesse: that's not "personal" cloud, at least the way I think about it.
- Kurtiss Hare
html5 on the iphone is because of webkit
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
that was WPF
- Jamie
the seesmic for windows uses WPF
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kurtiss what is "personal" cloud?
- Jesse Stay
I still haven't installed Silverlight/WPF on any of my machines and I haven't missed any content on the web.
- Matt Mastracci
WPF and Silverlight are converging as front-ends...
- Cliff Gerrish
I love the Netflix watch instantly -- it's silverlight...
- Cliff Gerrish
silverlight is still a subset of wpf
- Jamie
though the lines are blurring
- Jamie
It's a cloud that you own, that exposes "local services" like storage, identity selector config, computation, etc. to services you don't own
- Kurtiss Hare
Does this silverlight porting path just translate video, or the whole framework? If it's just video, it sounds like a WMV->MP4 codec.
- Matt Mastracci
I don't think stream of audio or video via silverlight to a webkit browser counts as a dev platform for iphone
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
has anyone got documentation on sliverlight video playback on iPhone? I didn't see that demo
- Kevin Marks
Sharepoint 2010 supports silverlight
- Jamie
+1 bear.
- Matt Mastracci
Kurtiss - where do you own it? On Amazon? Who hosts that data? If someone else is hosting it do you really own it? The client is the best place for the user to own their data. That can be supported by a cloud service, but your client needs to control it.
- Jesse Stay
Kevin http://www.iis.net/iphone
- Jamie
Jesse: that part's up to you, it can run from your house if you're into that. otherwise it can run from your amazon or rackspace account, whatever.
- Kurtiss Hare
Kurtiss, the average user is never going to be able to do that. It has to be something native in the browser or the operating system for the user to get it.
- Jesse Stay
@Kurtiss - your Rackspace account :) Please me more ;)
- Rob La Gesse
lol
- Kurtiss Hare
Also, a cloud-based service can't provide near the context a desktop client can
- Jesse Stay
Internal enterprise apps are never a predictor of platforms that'll survive. I could list dozens of dead Microsoft products that were "hot" for a while until they were abandoned.
- Matt Mastracci
Jesse, for now, but when the broadband explosion comes....
- Stephen Pickering
Office for Web is .Net right?
- Paul Shadwell
Stephen, even then you're never going to have full control so long as you rely on the cloud for full context. See my article above.
- Jesse Stay
"turns out, microsoft developed the killer app for chrome os" - office web apps
- Jamie
enterprise == large user count behind a firewall with a private network
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse: What's the difference between the way that Windows/Mac OS X exposes my local services and the way a "personal cloud"-based OS could? It's Chrome OS' destiny ;)
- Kurtiss Hare
I've just finished installing SharePoint 2010 and now installing the Office Web Apps so I'll let you know shortly.
- Paul Shadwell
Robert, make sure you get that enterprise lecture from Steve before going on about Chatter
- Ross Mayfield
if chrome os enables a personal VPN experience that I can then allow individuals to "peek into" that would be a huge win
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kurtiss, a personal cloud is never going to know what you're doing on Barnes and Noble vs. Borders.com at the same time. Please read my article above.
- Jesse Stay
Paul: NO. Office for Web is ALL JavaScript.
- Robert Scoble
"very loyal to office" == it's a huge pain and cost to translate all those proprietary docs to something else
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse, cloud based services can bring context using social web - bring context in form you contacts and activities
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, only to an extent. You still need the client to control that process.
- Jesse Stay
Kevin, Jesse's talking Action Cards.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert Office Web has Silverlight "extras"
- Jamie
better fidelity, smoother zooming etc
- Jamie
Kevin, I saw the demo but haven't the docs for it. Just passes the video off directly to the vid player on iPhone. Here is the demo URL http://www.iis.net/iphone
- Jerry Schuman
Robert: Do you think they did that for increased cross browser support?
- Paul Shadwell
many companies are just scared to move to the web It seems an insecure place to them and they take the IT guys (who get paid to manage Exchange) word for it. "You don't want to do that. It's insecure." Few CEOs outside our business will challenge talk like that.
- Matt Terenzio
I truly love that indictment. LOL...it's only Obama, Congress has not a damn thing to do with it.
- Karoli
I have multiple clients that draw on my twitter, Poco and other cloud contexts. phones, laptops desktops use them
- Kevin Marks
yea, like obama has control over the senate and house or the huge military infrastructure that bush had 8 years to setup
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
BULLSHIT, Jason.
- Karoli
Jason, agreed. Not that it's a viable sol'n.
- Kurtiss Hare
Jasos is a die-hard libertarian. Love it.
- Jerry Schuman
Karoli +1
- Ross Mayfield
obama set stem cell research free, that's crucial
- Christopher Harris
My 20-year old innovating son thinks you're full of shit. His diabetes doesn't kill him.
- Karoli
ok, adding politics to this discussion just ruined it and reminds me of the bad version of gilmor gang
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Standard of living has increased with population. Not saying there aren't challenges.
- Matt Terenzio
Some companies can't innovate because they pay too much for health care
- Ross Mayfield
Let's get back to tech please!!!!!!!
- Peter Mullen
Ross +1 back to you.
- Karoli
Microsoft won't stop innovating, but they'll be innovating in the wrong direction (closed platforms, etc.)
- Matt Mastracci
Jason sounds like Ehrlich's genocidal nonsense, not any Libertarians I know
- Kevin Marks
when all the normal workers - not those that are like most silicon valley startup wonks - can stop worrying about where the money for the next health bill comes from, then they will be able to spend time making work more productive
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Tim O'Reilly talks about Microsoft being a major player in the open web...
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, did you get the URL for the IIS demo?
- Jerry Schuman
Microsoft innovates but it's not accessible to the murmuring rabble. Like me. at least, not yet (other than Silverlight)
- Karoli
Microsoft is the greatest squandering of wealth in the History of business
- Stephen Pickering
Microsoft is a leader in the Information card space, and they're doing some amazing stuff with .Net, etc
- Jesse Stay
(note that I write this from a *nix-based MacBook Pro)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: see Craig Burton's rant on MSFT's implementation of cardspace.
- Cliff Gerrish
Microsoft is the new Newspaper business
- Matt Terenzio
Cliff, I'll look at that
- Jesse Stay
There's not a company that Balmer wouldn't buy. Gates had to come in and not allow him to bid more than 42 billion for Yahoo
- Stephen Pickering
How about Silverlight/Gestalt - running Ruby/Python in the browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
ahem
- Ross Mayfield
Gestalt is a dead end (I blogged here a while ago: http://grack.com/blog...)
- Matt Mastracci
and how is Salesforce managing this change in direction and focus... open source and open protocols I suspect
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Client wars have been going on for 2 decades.. it doesn't matter. You will have multiple native and web based clients from now until the cows come home.
- Jerry Schuman
warlords of tech, each guarding their own fiefdom.
- Karoli
The apathy of the user community regarding clients was evidenced by the failure of "Write Once, Run Everywhere"
- Jerry Schuman
it all boils down to Tower Defense!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think you just hit the nail on the head bear :-)
- Paul Shadwell
Robert it already exists.. DOM manipulations
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: DOM Manipulations + Action Cards gets you there.
- Cliff Gerrish
the major change comes with context awareness. We're almost there.. very close in my estimation.
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: Action Cards are all about contextual browsing.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are no generic enclosures is what I think Dave meant
- Matt Terenzio
meta data is data - it can be included with other meta data or consumed as is. what is key is removing the silo mentality -- open data api's to allow neutral use cases
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
twitter has always been a feature to be included in other apps -- they *are* a pipe
- Karoli
yes, they have rolled out a number of new features but they still have fundamental stability issues when followers drop off your account, when api calls still return random errors and other quality of life issues
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
btw: all those things you just mentioned extended Twitters discrete extensions of the backend. You're seeing twitter manipulate and compartmentalize their schema
- Jerry Schuman
bear, not only that, but they're anti-community. by sending that message, they tell me they intend to be a pipe for my data, not a host.
- Karoli
i've become so accustomed to their slowness of innovation, i certainly don't take the recently developed features for granted like I did when G or FF innovates...sad, really.
- Kurtiss Hare
still looking for those 'features'. closing conversations, making retweets a metric, and adding lists...?
- Karoli
While I might agree with ppl discounted MS I think discounting Ray Ozzie is a HUGE mistake. Especially if Ballmer gets forced out of MS.
- Rob La Gesse
it's all DATA SOUP. Apple had it right with the Newton ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
Authoritative ecosystems of record will still rule the day.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff +1
- Karoli
tweetie iphone is stil the best way to access
- Jamie
:) The Newton rocks! (still)
- Rob La Gesse
Gah Jerry - Newton Soup was the worlds slowest data model. Nice idea, lousy implementation.
- Kevin Marks
my commodore 64 is still in the garage...
- Karoli
Kevin, blame the processor ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
my C64 is right next to my pc and the mac :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Great show guys! Like Mike, I like the Pre
- Peter Mullen
bye...good show even with the politics. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, sorry @Ross for not mentioning SocialText.
- Robert Scoble
short show :-(
- Jamie
We should do an enterprise shootout between all these new social enterprise systems
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: gotta make Turkey! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ah we dont have thanksgiving here
- Jamie
don't mind shorter shows if they are focused. except for the "into the ditch" diversion of the political discussion this was a nice tightly focused show
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
SocialText...unfortunate name. Brings to mind the "journal" that was punked by Alan Sokal.
- Christopher A Carr
I love SocialText, when I use it :-)
- Jesse Stay
I do.
- Aron Michalski
I do.
- Aron Michalski
Sorry FriendFeed, But I Agree With Robert Scoble - http://www.sheysmith.com/2009...
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I agree with you that things are incredibly cliquey here, which is an unfortunate side effect of less fresh meat. I think there's a difference between the content of Scoble's point and how he presented that point: Scoble, in many ways, is like a kid in a candy store. He's overstimulated with a constant influx of new tech candy, and it's becomes hard to take his recommendations...
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- Mark Trapp
It doesn't give him a pass to be a jerk about it. It was very disrespectful to everyone in the screenshot he posted.
- Rodfather
That's a good distinction Mark. And you hit the nail on the head in terms of one of my main points which is the "less fresh meat".
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
See, Shey, you left space for open dialogue. You didn't come in and say it was "sad" and "dead". You just said YOUR usage has changed. You posted the exact opposite of what Robert did.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
That's an important distinction too Monique. Thanks
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that things have gotten very cliquey here on FriendFeed.
- Fulaan
Yeah, I can actually agree with Shey here. It's unfortunate that things have gone in this direction. I'm not afraid of getting jumped on for something I post or a comment I make, but I'm thinking most people are a little more conservative than I. FriendFeed isn't dead, it's just different. I also stand by the comment I have made on various occasions: Your FriendFeed is unique and...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach "Red"
Mark nailed it. +++
- Carlos Ayala
Rahsheen: that's just the rub. Let's say I want to follow all the iPhone app developers. They just aren't here. 90% are over on Twitter: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say I want to follow the world's geolocation experts. They aren't here (go ahead and check, I did). But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say you want to follow tech companies. They aren't here. But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... -- see, when I joined FriendFeed I had hoped...
- Robert Scoble
...that a far more diverse group of folks would show up here (and brands and celebrities) so that I COULD listen to what I wanted and YOU could listen to what YOU wanted and we all could be happy. But, that didn't happen. I'm being a jerk, yes, but mostly it's just grief because it didn't work out the way I thought it would.
- Robert Scoble
Well, two things happen in a lifeboat scenario. People get cliquey (bond close together to cope/survive) and people peer into others eyes and wonder if mania or cannibalism is brewing. People are civilized and instinctual, so there is no inevitable outcome, but in the mean time drama ensues.
- Micah Wittman
I can exist in more than one place. I can follow the people on Robert's list on Twitter and my friends here on FriendFeed and my family/friends on Facebook. Social Media Maturity means you don't have to have all your sets of friends in the one room for you to remain being friends with them.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Shey, I think this title is a little misleading. As others have said here, I think you're saying something very different from what Robert said, or at least in a very different, much more palatable way. I think you're being more specific and not so general (SOME people's experiences here aren't so great. It's not horrible for everyone.)
- Kamilah Gill
Unless you just don't care; The clique thing never bothered me, I have two many of my own things going on.
- ThatDBD
"clique" implies exclusionary behaviours, and i have yet to witness that in any great quantity here.
- Joe Silence is not dead
If i was robert I would have added all his twitter list accounts to a semi-public room here on friendfeed.... much more useful in here than over there (imho) -- you can use the reply to twitter checkbox when commenting on the entries and when they reply to you it should feed into friendfeed via an ego search.... i do this exactly, but i only follow 64 ppl on twitter and am followed by...
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- Chris Heath
@Kamilah Fair assessment. I agree with Robert's assessment of the forum effect. But we're different users when it comes to Friendfeed and we want to see different things
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that FriendFeed has changed since the FB announcement, but I've been here long enough (and you have too, Shey) to have seen it change several times as people came in and left with various feature changes and overhauls. It will continue to morph into something else again, I'm sure. It's a platform that is suited to a lot of purposes and it changes as the majority of people decide...
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- Lindsay
This also assumes that FriendFeed is used exclusively in English...
- Johnny Worthington
At first I thought Friendfeed was a refuge for the chummy crowd. Then I saw Johnny Worthington was here and I knew it couldn't be a clique. Sorted.
- Bernie Goldbach
Why cannot FriendFeed be used just as much as everything else. In the social media world, the more points of connection, the better.
- Steve Borgman
WOW good post, and comments,+Mark +Chris, Kamillah I agree the title is misleading differing from Scoble as per Mark's comment. And after after the drop from the big sell to FB, albeit Scoble had all the tact of someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre, people listen to him, the criticism still resonates, and the fact is user #s keep dropping. And consequently I find FF myself less interested, signing in less, it's not as "breaking" as it once was, there's less posts/shares/activity, especially re Tech
- sofarsoShawn
davewiner: A bug in retweeting. If person X retweets a message from Y, but I have Y blocked, I shouldn't see the message. - http://twitter.com/davewin...
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Not sure that's a bug. Should probably be an option.
- Tanath
Should be certain about bug,
- Dedegi
it would be a bug if they intended (in the code) to not show you those people, but i doubt that's the case, so no, it's not a bug, - but dave's right in that it should block those retweets for you since they're coming from someone you've blocked
- Chris Heath
Twitter replied to me that this is, indeed, a bug and would be fixed.
- Robert Scoble
My Twitter.com home page has a new "Retweets" page, which is most awesome. Does yours have it yet?
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No I do not have a "Retweets" page on my Twitter.com home page
- Kevin Tunis
nein
- Allen Stern
Yes I have it on a couple of accounts.
- Matt G
Not yet :(
- zʍıɔ
not yet
- Kim Landwehr
not yet
- Daryl Hunt on FF
I do have a spiteful jealous of your new feature button though Robert. Hey did you Check out the list tag cloud prototype I emailed you?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I see it on mine now, and realize I have not been ReTweeted, yet.
- Rubin
I too have the new retweet feature. :)
- ashish
On my work account, yes. Haven't checked my personal one yet today.
- Laura Norvig
Yes I have it...
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Just got it.
- Eric Logan
I like the fact that the tweet is still FROM the original person, with a "retweeted by" underneath. Good for "discovery."
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Have it, but it's not clear how its collecting this information or for how long now.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
From the man himself: http://evhead.com/2009...
- Gordon Herd
I have it! :)
- Francesco Marconi
Yes and I like it!
- tab thinks you're awesome
Yep! And I also really like it.
- joey
Nope.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, it is back again.
- Jemm
Nope... but it had one hell of a CSS problem just a minute ago....
- .LAG liked that
I like the retweet page. The retweets in my normal feed I'm not so sure if I like
- Tamara
mine is there.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
My Twitter account has a whale.
- howard shippin
yes, since nov 10 - the retweet feature was temporarily disabled last week but it's finally back!
- barbarars
Yeah, I too got a punch of erecting self-esteem when found that I was A Chosen One Among Others )) being a beta-tester for a new Twitter feature. And now seriously - good idea, and good implementation. Everything is done stylish, keeping minimalistic Twitter spirit. As for me personally, RT timilines will be my must-read Twi-parts from now on as I find there a lot of interesting and useful links or ideas I would surely miss without this feature.
- massagin
Yes
- Bertrand Doux
One of my accounts does. My main account does not. :(
- Otto
Mine does! :) It is awesome.
- Jorge Escobar
Have it but doesn't appear to function if viewing tweets within a list.
- Dana Fosburgh
Have #NewRTs back on as well, still don't like them -> http://bit.ly/wTX4b I'll have to make a mock-up of what the feature should have looked like.
- Alex Schleber
it does indeed - i'm liking it
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
it does-but im not sure why they didnt let us make comments- thats the good stuff
- Elizabeth Beskin
Elizabeth: I disagree. If Twitter had comments it would be like Facebook or FriendFeed. It would also get very noisy very quickly and one thing I like about Twitter is that I control everything that appears in my streams. Adding comments would change that radically.
- Robert Scoble
@Jesse that's cool, I'm sure that since you're following them you'll let me know if anything interesting happens in those RSS feeds.
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As I'm sure you'll let me know when something interesting happens on Twitter :-) I use both - we each have our preferences though.
- Jesse Stay
I do. I retweet and click favorite and you see those here in FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
wisely said :)
- Nia
Same here - if it's good, it will find its way to me. We both use the web differently though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Although I am curious how many of those 16,364 "things" are individual blogs. I think it's apples and oranges comparing Twitter to an RSS Reader, but if you're getting what you want from it then I have no problem with that.
- Jesse Stay
twitter includes the subscription features of rss plus an option to contribute and find responses
- Mike Chelen
I'm not sure it matters anymore. There are a wide range of things coming into Twitter. Heck, there's a buoy in Half Moon Bay that has a Twitter account (automated, tells me wave height every hour). Most of what I followed in Google Reader is now coming into Twitter, so for me it's just duplication. And the few RSS feeds I'm missing come into Twitter anyway, because if they do anything...
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- Robert Scoble
What was the biggest thing in tech this week? Salesforce's major social moves in Enterprise? Silverlight 4? Foursquare API? Seesmic? Other?
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Kynetx launch of their developer platform. Seriously - you really need to look at what they're doing. It's the biggest thing I've seen since the Facebook platform launch.
- Jesse Stay
Think 100% user-controlled context, regardless of what website they're on.
- Jesse Stay
Silverlight 4 plus Windows Azure. Maybe even Project "Dallas".
- Roberto Bonini
SimpleGeo
- Eric Florenzano
TPB tracker closing down and moving to DHT, PEX, and magnet links
- Fulaan
Seesmic, please come to the Mac! The AIR app is horrible!
- Zachary TG
The new FriendFeed notification options. ;)
- Eric Logan
Ok, wow, this is really cool: http://www.visitmix.com/labs...
- Fulaan
Zachary: use the Web version of Seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
And if you are desperate, upgrade your AIR to the beta of 2.0. That makes every AIR app run a lot better.
- Robert Scoble
The duel (well actually it was the week before): http://www.cyberpotato.net/...
- Michael Slattery
Jesse: I'm looking, I just don't get it. Their marketing really is sub-par and all your hype doesn't explain WHY it is important. Facebook was INSTANTLY recognizable as important.
- Robert Scoble
Kynetx is important because Scoble doesn't understand it. This is a big plus.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: it took me 1.5 years to get RSS. But the thing is I still got it before most of you did. I will figure out Kynetx, but the marketing on its site really doesn't do a revolution justice, if Jesse is right.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll do several more blog posts about it. It will take some examples to truly show its power.
- Jesse Stay
I agree they need to improve their marketing though
- Jesse Stay
Robert: if you hated SideWiki; you'll really hate Selectors + Kynetx. But, you should start by reading Craig Burton. The evolution from Cookies to Selectors is the key.
- Cliff Gerrish
Craig's a really smart dude - I finally got to meet him this last week and boy was I impressed.
- Jesse Stay
Set the link here as a bookmarklet and click on it for your blog (or anyone's blog): http://appdirectory.kynetx.com/app...
- Jesse Stay
I explained it further here: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
of course Silverlight 4 :)
- Enes TAYLAN
Silverlight 4 & Seesmic
- Judah Richardson
@Jesse Twitter is an RSS reader. My @scobleblog account is fed 100% via RSS. So, your thesis is off base.
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Erm, @jesse did say he'd do that too. But you can't use twitter like you can use an RSS reader.
- Roberto Bonini
RSS is content, Twitter is people's gibberish. Once you mix it together, seperating is hard.
- Roberto Bonini
In this instance, Twitter is a headline catcher.
- Johnny Worthington
Oh, and there is no HIDE features on twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
Precisely Johnny, with no body, and no context. Its only useful if you know the context of those headlines.
- Roberto Bonini
Surely if a Twitter account is fed 100% via RSS, that just makes it a feed publisher (or feed proxy), and one which only publishes headlines. You'd still need a tool to read those feed items. (Sure, you can kind of use Twitter for that too, but my point is that this is the wrong argument.)
- Tony Ruscoe
My point was Twitter is not *meant* to be an RSS reader. That is why you're having problems with Chris Brogan's feed. It's not his fault you're having an issue reading his content. If you want to catch every single item then a real RSS Reader is what you want.
- Jesse Stay
Twitter is not an RSS reader. That's like saying that a fork is a knife just because if you put enough pressure on it it'll cut some things.
- Jan Ole Peek
Johnny, it's a pretty poor headline catcher, too - people have to actually import their headlines into Twitter in order for it to work as such. With an RSS Reader all they need is a blog and you can get their feed and headlines.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: 500 news brands do EXACTLY that: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Tell me again now this is NOT an RSS aggregator?
- Robert Scoble
I did a blog post about this here: http://rbonini.wordpress.com/2009...
- Roberto Bonini
"Aggregator" and "reader" mean different things to me. The fact that you can "aggregate" headlines doesn't mean you can "read" feeds.
- Ken Sheppardson
"I won’t subscribe to any feed that isn’t full text." -- Scoble, http://scobleizer.com/2006...
- Ken Sheppardson
Contradictions, contradictions.
- Fulaan
Ken: yup, I can change my mind due to market changes. What changed since then? 1. iPhone. 2. Google Reader became unusable for me (takes 20+ seconds to start up). 3. Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Full text isn't really important anymore, or if it is, it isn't the most important thing anymore. I don't miss it that much. Especially when I do most of my news reading on a small screen.
- Robert Scoble
[Sorry... only saw the last comment, not the "what changed"...] So now days you just click on links in tweets and go read the full articles in the iPhone? I don't really get how that's an improvement. To each his own, I guess.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, 500 news brands is a very small number! Ask Louis how many brands he's subscribed to in Reader. You can't do that on Twitter, and it's why you have an issue with Chris's Twitter feed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: stop being argumentative just to hear your own voice. That's only ONE list. I have 20 lists and am making more. Most of which have 500 different people or brands or things in them. One thing I can do with Twitter is SHARE my lists with you. Can you share your lists on Google Reader with me so I can watch what's on your screen?
- Robert Scoble
I was wrong about full text feeds, here's why: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Scoble has 40 lists, actually.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert, I don't care if I hear my own voice - I don't care if anyone hears it. I was just sticking up for Brogan because I don't think it should be him that has to change. I think what you want is a fundamental flaw of Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
But you make a good point with sharing lists. I understand the comment you left on my blog now. however, Robert, you can share the RSS feed of any folder on google reader (yes I know. Feedly must expose this feature soon). Here is the RSS of my tech folder: http://www.google.com/reader... Its limited, but better than nothing.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, that RSS URI is returning a Permission Denied message.
- Micah Wittman
Fixed the permissions issue. Forgot about that.
- Roberto Bonini
RSS feeds are NOT the same as a web page where I can just visit and see without doing anything else.
- Robert Scoble
True. But sharing your Google Reader folder is LIKE a twitter list, just will full content, instead of just headlines. I'm playing devil's advocate here. And its an apple's to orange comparison.
- Roberto Bonini
So that would make FriendFeed, Facebook and other services that can accept RSS importation a RSS Reader. FriendFeed is probably a superior RSS reader as it can import the first few lines, allows longer headlines and even pictures. So is FriendFeed an RSS reader, an aggregator or both?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Finding Value Even If I Were the Last FriendFeeder... - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
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Let's not also forget that FriendFeed is still the best competitor with TwitPic out there, and it supports way more than just pictures!
- Jesse Stay
I wasn't aiming to make it 100 points long, Mr. Stay. :)
- Louis Gray
I know - I was making the point for you. I think that's one of the most valuable uses of FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
I also think it's funny that Scoble's criticizing Brogan for not creating a separate Twitter account for his blog posts when if Scoble stuck with FriendFeed and Reader he wouldn't have to worry about that type of stuff. :-) Twitter != RSS Reader
- Jesse Stay
Just pointing out yet another use of FriendFeed as a tool :-)
- Jesse Stay
Good point Jesse. I hadn't thought of that.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Jesse: yup, FriendFeed has some cool features, doesn't it? Too bad at least half the people I want to listen to aren't on FriendFeed. I really wish it had won, but it's clear it