What a nasty thing to do. He just deleted his account and took all MY content with it! - Robert Scoble

Yeah, I noticed that. I'm kinda mad. I had a bunch of IP claims on my comments in those tweet discussions. - Mark Trapp

We were having an interesting discussion about the "evilness" of FriendFeed and how it helps conversations happen around content here on FriendFeed rather than on over on his blog. He sees this as important to his "ownership" of his audience. I am going to ask him to delete all my comments from his blog. - Robert Scoble

the people at FF must be sitting back and enjoying all this free hype...via feedalizr - Siddharth Mitra

Wow. Comment Wars 2008. Some people just don't get it. All the more reason we need Data Portability and the ability to suck our content out of all these silos. Personally, I really want a backup of my Twitter updates asap. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

This is one reason why I'll never participate on Rob's blog again. - Robert Scoble

Oh, and now he's blocking me from commenting on his blog. I was going to post a link back to here and tell him to please remove all my comments that I just left on his blog. - Robert Scoble

This is the difference between wanting a conversation vs. and "audience". Rob seems to want the latter....via feedalizr - Lon

I doubt he's blocking you from commenting on his blog. sometimes his comments go weird -- I've had it happen a couple of times. But this does raise a larger issue -- he took YOUR content? Your comments on his feed are yours? I say they are your content, so why don't you have control? OTOH, I'd argue that comments on his blog become his content, since he hosts them. - Karoli

Is that why my latest comment got spammed? I wasn't trying to harass him, was just disagreeing with him. Oh well. I was also trying to figure out where everything went. I guess he utilized my advice on how to delete the RSS feed after all. Because in the end, FF doesn't 'randomly pick up your content' you have to put your information into it. Sheesh. - Lucretia Pruitt

Just realized the irony in the fact that since he blocked comments, we *can't* discuss it on his blog any more and now HAVE to discuss it here if we want to talk about it at all. So he kind of forced us to move the discussion here. Weird. - Lucretia Pruitt

I have control of my comments here. I can edit them, I can delete them. That's one reason why Iike commenting here more. I'm sad that he could so easily delete my comments just by deleting his posts, but that's OK. All that did was destroy my trust in him and made me extremely unlikely to ever comment on his blog again. - Robert Scoble

Stole my content too. And ignored my DM on Twitter. And my latest Tweet. Oh well. - Louis Gray

And people wonder why readers want to have discussions in other places than their blogs. People want to talk about things on their own time not when your blog isn't acting funky or when you say it's okay. - Mark Trapp

it is just too much sometimes for people to accept that conversations happen multiple places and not just on the blog itself. too bad for him. - Rodney Rumford

Louis says we have to wait a year or two before people don't act like dopes over conversation fragmentation. But even Steve Gillmor could tell you that conversation wherever it happens does wind up = audience, it just might take him 4,000 words :-) - Robert Seidman

http://twitter.com/kr8tr says when he deleted his feed here FriendFeed didn't warn him that it was deleting other people's content. Fair enough. I still will never post on his blog again. - Robert Scoble

In this case, if the remote discussion fragment links back to the source, I don't see the harm - at all....via feedalizr - Lon

lol So he is loser :)) - Farzad

Robert, what is your opinion on who should own thus control the content submitted to third party commenting services like Disqus? If a blogger deletes a Disqus comment should the registered Disqus user that submitted the content lose access to that comment? - scott anderson

Perhaps... but pretty sure his blog didn't say "hey, they'll have to move the conversation if you block everyone that disagrees with you on anything" - so the primary transgression stands. - Lucretia Pruitt

this seems to be an issue with friendfeed, not rob - Christian Burns

Not a loser. He wants "control" of the comment content....via feedalizr - Lon

It's an issue with Rob because he took his ball and went home when people responded to his tweets on Friendfeed instead of his blog. Lon, he has no right to that control. He doesn't own the rights to what other people say in comments. He doesn't have the right to say to me or anyone, "you can only talk about my content in the predefined free speech zone on my blog." - Mark Trapp

>If a blogger deletes a Disqus comment should the registered Disqus user that submitted the content lose access to that comment? I don't think so. I think that it should just hide that comment from that blogger's community's view. I'm not sure how Disqus deals with such a situation, though. Do you know? - Robert Scoble

so is it a terrible thing to admit i am deeply and delightfully amused by the spirited and fervent nature of this Twitter/FF feud thingy? it's just such delicious fun. i feel guilty for having his much fun watching everyone go at it. - (dot)lizard kelly

Can we get an IRC back channel for this conversation? - Andrew Hyde

Robert, if the person is registered with Disqus they can still access the content even if it was removed from view on the blog by blog administrators. - Robert Seidman

Oh, and Rob just lost control of where the conversation can happen. Here's his post about me on his blog. http://friendfeed.com/e... - Robert Scoble

I see this as a really important issue and hope the personal reaction doesn't overwhelm the primary question. Rob deleted his feed, not Robert's comments. And that deletion caused others' comments -- others who are still on FF -- to be removed because they were linked with the feed. (It also made people mad). Not to be obnoxious here, but that wouldn't have happened on Twitter. Just sayin'. - Karoli

BTW, the comments you posted to his feed that you cross-posted to Twitter? Still on your feed. - Karoli

No, it'd just be too much of a bother to find in between the 100 other non-related tweets from other people and the really slow pagination system. - Mark Trapp

Comments are ephemeral. It's just the same thing on blogs. - Benedikt Koehler

Karoli: yeah, but only a few of those comments were cross-posted to Twitter. - Robert Scoble

The original post now is being discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/e... -- notice that I have the right now to bring stuff in here via RSS thanks to Google Reader's shared items and I can comment on it here and the blog author can't control that at all. - Robert Scoble

Wahhhh... yea some of mine are gone too... damn the reliance on FF.. least the twitter comments would stick - Jono Haysom

Rob just posted these things to Twitter: """This is one reason I will never participate in Rob's blog again" - Why? Because FF deleted some shit w/o warning me? 3 "" RESPONSE: No, because you decided to "take your ball home" without thinking about the impact of your decision. - Robert Scoble

Another one: "" And Robert - you KNEW your comments were still in YOUR feed when you wrote that. NOT kewl."" RESPONSE: 90% of my comments that I left on your Twitter posts are gone. You knew when you deleted those posts that you would delete everything underneath. NOT kewl. - Robert Scoble

BTW Robert, I just saw your somewhat snarky response to my comment on Techcrunch last night. I guess if you'd posted it here I might have not seen it sooner. I hate chasing down fragments of conversations all over the place, especially when it means it's too late for me to snark back. ;-) - Karoli

If Disqus is now providing registered users access to comments that were 'hidden' by the blog owners that the comment was submitted to then that is a new feature. I tried to have this same conversation with Dave Winer a while back and he did not appreciate my position so he deleted a lot of relevant content from that disqussion ... http://scripting.disqus.com/feedbac... - scott anderson

Re: Disqus "A unique plus to Disqus is that comments are no longer chained to isolated websites. Thus, comments are owned by (and can be attributed to) the commenters" If you register via Disqus, you have control. If you post anonymously to my blog, I have control. - Karoli

deleting a top level post shouldn't really delete child posts from other people ona site like FriendFeed. Given that no one *owns* FriendFeed in the way like a hosted blog, how can deleteing other people's content be the correct action when pressing delete on a top level node. This is definately something that Kosso has got right with phreadz.com - chris dalby

Chris: actually the person who started the comment cluster does "own" the cluster. For instance, you are commenting on my cluster here. I can delete your comment. I could also delete the whole cluster including everyone's comments on it. I've already deleted one comment to remove spam. This is like you are commenting on my blog and I have the same rights there. - Robert Scoble

Well whenever he has an interesting post someone will post a link here and we'll discuss it here anyway. *shrug* - Shey

yes, i see it on the colin walker blog post. i don't know what to say. - Laurentiu

"actually the person who started the comment cluster does "own" the cluster." Ahhh. Now I understand.... It's not really about "where the conversation is" but rather about transferring ownership of the conversation up the power curve. If a popular figure starts a comment cluster, they will "own the rights" to that conversation, no matter who actually posted the original thought. Thanks for clarifying, - Jason Brown

there is another challenge in this as well - I just 'reshared' your post on charging super users to our Social Media Club room and it started a new thread, separate of your comments on the post and in FF - this is the conversation fragmenting in real time - Chris Heuer

Why fight it? If people want to talk on FriendFeed, they will. A couple years from now I'm sure we'll all be chatting on some other service. - Mack D. Male