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Barry Schwartz on our loss of wisdom - http://www.ted.com/talks...

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"Barry Schwartz makes a passionate call for "practical wisdom" as an antidote to a society gone mad with bureaucracy. He argues powerfully that rules often fail us, incentives often backfire, and practical, everyday wisdom will help rebuild our world." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

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barry's book the paradox of choice is worth reading as well. - karl dotter from iPhone

wisdom is the natural result of a quiet mind .. - Gregory Lent

I watched this on christmas eve and wow... - Andrew Euell

Steve Gillmor

NewsGang Live test: requires Silverlight and FriendFeed http://beta.newsgang.net/...

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Seems interesting but what am I entering my FF credentials into Steve? Not going to enter them into something I have heard nothing about.. - Bill Heslin

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ok - Steve Gillmor

So is this an extension of Gillmor Gang, some new newsy thing that fits in there? I'll beta test..just want some more info? - Bill Heslin

bill, it's the remote key not your password... read up here https://friendfeed.com/account... - Chris Heath

thanks Chris ..will do - Bill Heslin

Oh yes Chris I understand the remote key...but just wondering what it's all about. That's all. - Bill Heslin

we're testing a vanilla onboard, Bill. I can explain more once you're in. - Steve Gillmor

I'm in - Bill Heslin

Wow...very cool... - Bill Heslin

Ok, I am partway there - Christian Burns

also, steve... the css isn't fluid and looks like this to me (chrome 3 on windows xp) http://img39.imageshack.us/img39... - also i think the silverlight was bogging down my old P4 system - Chris Heath

Mine looks like Chris' in Chrome on Vista, but I haven't been able to load the newest Silverlight in Chrome (unless it carried over from my install of it in IE8 last night). - Robert G. Male

Firefox is probably a better bet on Vista. - Cliff Gerrish

I have double sidebars when I view it from beta.newsgang.net - Karoli

Karoli...take off the beer goggles...LOL...Hiya! - Bill Heslin

Yeah, usually NGL itself isn't the focus of NGL. You get a little video feedback when that happens. - Cliff Gerrish

Silverlight doesn't work on Safari running on Windows = Fail! - Michael Pinto

Yes, it does. I tested that earlier today. - Cliff Gerrish

Requirements: Silverlight, FriendFeed, $5 pay-per-view next? - James Robertson

Silverlight and Flash will never run as well as HTML5 on constrained mobile devices. If they run as stand-alone apps then they will have to compete with the functionality of browsers. If they run within browsers they suck up additional memory and processor cycles and play poorly. Developers are not going to invest in optimizing their Flash/Silverlight apps to run on both the desktop and on mobile devices with a variety of screen resolutions, etc. Give up on this fantasy Steve. - scott anderson

Adam Bosworth told me a long time ago that Moore's Law trumps these issues, as it did with RSS's supposed verbosity and everything else XMLish since. Hybrid browser/rich apps will continue to win while moving the market closer to so called HTML 5ish standards. I'd give up on the rhetoric Scott if I were you. - Steve Gillmor

HTML 5, Silverlight, Flash, Pen and Paper. No one cares if something is good and useful. They'll dowload the plugin or fill the inkwells if that's what they need to do. - Matt Terenzio

exactly, Matt - Steve Gillmor

in the past (it seems to me) enterprise seems to drive software while hardware has been driven by gamers/gaming ... 1) what do you think about that? 2) what about going forward? 3) and what about mobile, will it drive anything - or is it creating a class of it's own? (app store markets?) - Chris Heath

You can call it rhetoric if you like but if it costs more for consumers to purchase mobile phones that run technologies like Flash and Silverlight that consume more memory, processor cycles, battery life, etc. and it costs developers more resources to build these "rich" experiences and make them compatible then it won't happen. The benefits do not outweigh the costs. - scott anderson

phones are razors and history (iPhone) shows this does in fact happen. Flash is not off the iPhone for technical reasons but economics, and Gphone is about to make that irrelevant. - Steve Gillmor

is gPhone making Flash, the iPhone, or the economics irrelevant? - Chris Heath

flash is silverlight is HTML 5 eventually. Gphone allows Flash and other plugins. Moonlight decompiling strategy closes loop to iPhone - Steve Gillmor

What are the benefits that Flash and Silverlight add to the user experience that cannot be duplicated in HTML5, especially when the nature of UI on mobile devices lends itself to simplicity? - scott anderson

if you see no benefits, then why pitch your theory. It's like the Republicans reading the bill out to slow down reality - Steve Gillmor

I pitch my theories so that they can be debunked by others. I am a mobile app developer with limited resources and want to be smart in my investments in tools and infrastructure. - scott anderson

well, then you should talk to .Net devs and see if they meet your needs. Sounds like you are happy in HTML5 land. - Steve Gillmor

Why hasn't Flash taken over web pages designed for desktop browsers and why hasn't Adobe Air been successful on the desktop? If they cannot succeed on the desktop then I have no hope for these technologies succeeding on mobile phones. I'm not talking about video players but applications written in Flash or Silverlight. I would not need .Net to simply support playing video. I am happy in GWT land and see more robust apps being possible with SVG + WebGL + Javascript along with the media tags in HTML5. - scott anderson

Just an FYI: remote keys are a poor user experience. OAuth is preferred. And when you use OAuth limits are applied to the user instead of the IP address making the call, making it easier to grow your application (assuming you call the API from your server). Read more here: http://friendfeed.com/api... - Benjamin Golub

yes benjamin we are moving to Oauth before we come out of beta. And can you fill us in on what's going on last 24 hours with Twitter feed. - Steve Gillmor

Scott Flash is dominant on browsers for video. Air sucks but it provides experiences SIlverlight improves on. ask Seesmic why they've ported to WIndows and then to SIlverlight. - Steve Gillmor

You're assuming that Seesmic is making intelligent development decisions by investing in Windows and Silverlight. That remains to be seen. - scott anderson

no I am assuming a rationale for assigning resources that makes sense with what I think is going on. How it impacts on individual developers has more to do with their products and the full range of technologies they support. They also produced an Android version before iPhone. Unlike you, they support both models. - Steve Gillmor

Leveraging Flash or Silverlight for simply playing videos is overkill. The video decoder royalty issues will be worked out. I can see Google donating the assets they recently got from their acquisition of On2. - scott anderson

Steve: what do you mean by "what's going on last 24 hours with Twitter feed"? We had a small hiccup with the crawl (not Twitter specific, the entire crawl) but things should be moving again. - Benjamin Golub

ben the twitter feed resumed about an hour ago and has been adding items from both yesterday and up to an hour ago. It was dead as a doornail last night. And I assume the firehose issues remain unresolved by the delta between timestamps even now - Steve Gillmor

scott: we'll see. meantime there are plenty of reasons why SIlverlight is a big deal, and worth some people's time. - Steve Gillmor

I am developing an application framework for Android that leverages web panes within native apps. I use native infrastructure where it makes sense and web standards for the content related pieces. - scott anderson

yeah I get it, but this is a back and forth without meaningful progress. let's move on - Steve Gillmor

Silverlight and Flash do have one potentially critical advantage over HTML5 ... DRM. In my opinion publishers should have a mechanism to protect their content from piracy. If Jobs succeeds in blocking both Flash and Silverlight runtimes from the iPhone, it will be interesting to see what kind of DRM solution Apple establishes with their new video streaming technology and how tightly... more... - scott anderson

This is interesting. Will it work with moonligjt on linux? - Alfred C. Ingram

at some point - Steve Gillmor

I've said it before: Silverlight - the OS/2 of RIAs - Nick Lothian

Chrome might require the IEtab extension to use silverlight, - Alfred C. Ingram

Leo Laporte

Now, Foursquare! Now, Gowalla! Now, Cliqset and Blippy! On, Flickr, On Smugmug, On, yFrog and Vidly. To the top of the stats, to the top of Street Wall. Plurk away, Pownce away, tweet away all.

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omg - Charlie Anzman

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Leo must be into the EggNog early - johnpiercy

I wonder if Santa has Ford Sync - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

pownce is no longer - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I still have no idea how this FriendFeed works. What is it? A Twitter clone? - Kevin

Nicely put! - laosan

Edwin Khodabakchian

first proto of feedly 3.0: same code runs in memory in firefox and cross process in chrome. It was a major pain but the result is beautiful.

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Edwin, have you guys looked at what Kynetx is doing? With their platform you should be able to write once, and they produce extensions for 3 browsers (and soon others). Might be a better development environment for you. http://kynetx.com - Jesse Stay

Hi Jesse. Thanks for the heads up. I looked at Kynetx after seeing a video about them on Scobleizer. What they do around website augmentation is interesting. What we do is a little different in the sense that we mashup a lot of different services to build the feedly app, which result in lots of Javascript code which we need to break down into pieces and load/execute as efficiently as... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, be sure to chat with Phil Windley (@windley on Twitter and FriendFeed) about your use-case. I'm sure they'd love to hear and discuss it with you. It's your type of business that they're targeting so I'm sure they'd love to make it an ideal experience for your environment. Let me know if I can make an introduction. I really like their technology. - Jesse Stay

Jesse Stay

Okay, if you go to "My Videos" in Youtube there is a "Download MP4" link under each video you upload. Not sure about downloading others.

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There's a bookmarklet that lets you enable this option for other videos: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008... - Bryce Roney

Paul Buchheit

The realtime connection from Twitter to FriendFeed is back! (thanks to Twitter's "birddog" api)

Tuesday from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Awesome news! - Jorge Escobar

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Very good! - Kurt Starnes

Sweetness! - Alex Scrivener

34 secs flat for my latest tweet. Thanks Paul and team for this! - Jorge Escobar

wow, that makes actually want to use Twitter. I may just go tweet something. - Mike Nencetti

It should be even faster than that Jorge, but our systems are getting near their limit. I hope to have it down to 1 sec sometime next month. - Paul Buchheit

Thank god! - Miguel Caetano

@Paul, believe me, 34 secs is a charm compared to what we had before! - Jorge Escobar

Great news! - Rasmus Lauridsen

Is the birddog api open to all developers, or is it only to you guys? - Jorge Escobar

Jorge, everyone can access the streaming api, but you need an agreement to follow a large number of ids. See http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Streami... - Paul Buchheit

Thanks Paul. - Roberto Bonini

that cool. Thanks Paul - Peter Dawson

Yay! That's fantastic! I was getting really bored of manually refreshing it every time I tweeted. Especially from my phone. :) - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Does this mean that Scoble can get smarter on FriendFeed again? - Crutis

NICE! - Jason Huebel

Thanks Paul, nice work :) - LANjackal

wow no posts on the majors yet - usually within mere moments of an announcement we'd have posts. - Allen Stern

Thank God. - Ahmet Alp Balkan

cool! - barbarars

What was the problem? - Ozkan Altuner

Now....if you could just get rid of the @ replies again. I would be very happy. - Chris Nixon

relief ! :) - asli subasi

You are still working on Frienfeed (: how nice ! - Murat Can Demir

^ That's probably the best part of this announcement, TBH. Good point - LANjackal from IM

whoa, it took less than a minute. i accdently tested it but it's great :) thnx - asli subasi

awesome, keep it up guys, i knew you would not let us down - Iggy Mwangi

Great news, love the efforts still put in to FF.I use Google Reader to share into FF (PubSubHubBub) then FF to Twitter (now Real-Time). The URL shortener is great (ff.im), and so FF is central to my social lifestream. I don't care what Scoble says, FF is technically better and feature-rich. - Keith Rowland

P.S. Conversations are still better here than on GReader, and you just can't have one on Twitter. - Keith Rowland

You didn't break the FF Facebook app while you were at it, did you? It hasn't worked since. - Tim Tyler

Oh, awesome!!! 12 seconds :) I can finally go back to Twitter (...okay no I can't I've turned into a Friendfeed junkie..) but prior it took hours upon hours for me to see a feed. Dumb I am, I never suspected a problem LMAO. - H0llywoodWh0re

Thank you! - Micah Wittman

Awesome news :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

eyvallah hacı - Mücahit Yılmaz

Cool. Haven't tried it but yay! - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

Yippee! I love real time - Sandra Large

Paul ?? Twitter updates facebook status and then facebook creates a new feed here on friendfeed. So we have same entries both from twitter and facebook on friendfeed. Could you guys please work on how we can avoid duplicate entries? Thank you. ( If there's already a way to avoid this, pls let me know) - Murat Can Demir

Cool, thanks, Paul! :-) RT Twitter updates have been missed. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

And just as I say that, I see my tweets are not coming into FF in real-time. :-( - Kol Tregaskes

Kol. I just tweeted and it was here before I could get out of Tweetie and launch Safari... It's working :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

awesome.; thank you a lot.. - Jaap Willem

Nice! Thank U Paul :) - zʍıɔ

:) - ★ Soner Gönül

Oh, so nice to have that back again. - Hutch Carpenter

Johnny, cool. Just me then. It's still slow. Maybe it's FriendFeed then? - Kol Tregaskes

It truncates retweets, even in the middle of a link... - Raphael, Raphael

seems that there are only 140chars allowed for a tweet (on FF) and the new twitter retweets are being translated on the way through to old RT @name style - thus are too long. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 2:15PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

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on Gillmor Gang live at 2pm - Kevin Marks

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I'm hanging by, this is being delayed by some technical difficulties. - Robert Scoble

We are about to start. - Robert Scoble

Is the sound working, or is it just me? - Matt Mastracci

I guess the ads are working, just not Gillmor's mic :) - Matt Mastracci

Relax, Steve - it's all good :) - Rob La Gesse

There we go.. heard something - Matt Mastracci

Kick that wire again. - Rob La Gesse

nice loud typing - Jerry Schuman

It's working now. Hearing the behind-the-scenes talking :) - Matt Mastracci

Mic is live, Steve - Rob La Gesse

Hang out a second. - Robert Scoble

Early F-Bomb FTW! - Rob La Gesse

Gillmor Gang Recording Live w/ Scoble, Keen, Rivera, Marks - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Using the F word is not professional, Steve. - Judy Jones

This is shaping up to be a good one. - Matt Mastracci

Hey Kev, when are we getting block on calls? - Jerry Schuman

OK, I actually installed Ribbit on my iPhone -- I hope to heck it works. - Cliff Gerrish

Judy: he's reacting to a jerk on the Internet. It's not professional, but well placed. - Robert Scoble

25/25 here.. FIOS is sweet - Jerry Schuman

I'm jealous! - Robert Scoble

what the heck you jealous about.. you're the one living in Half Moon Bay - Jerry Schuman

10/5 here over Coax - it's often enough, and never enough! - Rob La Gesse

Jerry: I'd rather have bandwidth! - Robert Scoble

Rob, you going to CES? - Jerry Schuman

Jerry - Scoble and I were just discussing that a couple hours ago. Not sure yet. - Rob La Gesse

I ♥ the Gillmor Gang - Gabe Rivera

ok...guess i hit the wrong link. - Karoli

Well add me to the drinking buddies list if you do. I'll be demoing in a suite not at convention center. - Jerry Schuman

OK, we got keen and kevin back - Cliff Gerrish

No we realize you'll eventually go from exaltation to bashing of every system out there, Robert.. - Ken Sheppardson

Friendfeed? What's this friendfeed of which you speak? - Ron Schott

@Jerry - definitely! - Rob La Gesse

heheh. - Robert Scoble

Ken: today it's even slower than usual. Looks like only 14 people here now. - Robert Scoble

I think everyone is out doing Christmas shopping. - Robert Scoble

The new OAuth is great. Amusing that it really needed the change, but it wouldn't have been possible to do in the beginning. - Matt Mastracci

For GG, Robert? Was there any notice of the show happening today at 2:15 vs Thu at 1? - Ken Sheppardson

In may make OAuth usable in the enterprise... - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: if there were any people here or even on Twitter they would be here no matter how much notice there was given. - Robert Scoble

kshep - no, we had a power outage today -- so we had to do a lot of studio check out before the show. - Cliff Gerrish

Dave Winer's view on protocol evolution is pretty warped. - Matt Mastracci

Everything is very slow today. - Robert Scoble

Robert, make that 15 people :) - Mike Doeff

I don't think Dave believes in evolution. - Cliff Gerrish

Alright, it's getting crowded in here! :-) - Robert Scoble

Cliff, exactly. Unless he wants to re-specify part of a self-frozen spec himself, of course. - Matt Mastracci

I find that it's a little easier than it used to be to find hard-core discussions on science and tech now that there's less tech-industry-gossip-circle-jerking. - Christopher A Carr

Oddly enough, I haven't given Andrew a thought since the last time he was on the show either... - Ken Sheppardson

Agree with Andrew. Love Echofon - Karoli

I hacked up http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com on the friendfeed API - Kevin Marks

Moved off Nambu to latest beta of Socialite... actually liking it. - Jerry Schuman

Robert, I just keep badges on. not popups or sounds. - Karoli

"I don;t care what anyone says unless they mention me" - classic :) - Rob La Gesse

Who is this Andrew guy? - Matt Mastracci

Matt: http://andrewkeen.typepad.com - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks... I didn't catch his name at the start - Matt Mastracci

Love my Kindle, giving daughter the Nook. - Karoli

hey everybody! :) - Susan Beebe

5 bucks... considering that's the cost of PPV movies... and you get them for 24 hours - Jerry Schuman

I paid $10 for an app. An essential ToDo app. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Tweetie 2.0 is $5. Very disappointing. - Karoli

Steve has the KILLER studio rig. Whoa! - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

What is friendlier feed? - Matt Terenzio

JooJoo killer :) - Mike Doeff

mine goes for 2 wks without wireless. - Karoli

I'll buy an Apple Tablet as soon as they will let me. - Rob La Gesse

I'm torn between my love for paper books and things electronic. Paper books still winning for me. - Matt Mastracci

http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com/ is friendfeed with nicer HTML - bigger faces, black text, microformats - Kevin Marks

Matt - looks like it has #microformats - Susan Beebe

Kevin - looks good! :) - Susan Beebe

I'll sometimes read for 5 or 6 hours in a row. Backlit displays are a little rough in that situation. - Christopher A Carr

A hacked NOOK.. that's the ticket - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: Yep. The Android hackers are already going to town.. - Christopher A Carr

I'd love a rooted nook. - Matt Mastracci

ooh that would be cool - Susan Beebe

Apparently you just need to open it and reflash the Micro-SD. - Matt Mastracci

The hardware specs on the Nook should be providing better performance - I think a Firmware update will correct most of the release issues - Rob La Gesse

What about the e-ink screen on the Nook? Can it meet the Kindle with its specs? - Matt Mastracci

I want a Apple tablet - Jerry Schuman

e-books are too expensive to have more than one open at a time on my desk, or lose one on the train - both easily done with paper books - Barbariccia

Is that National Geographic HDD in HTML or proprietary format? - Matt Mastracci

NG HDD is a neat idea - Susan Beebe

Proprietary unfortunately. - Robert Scoble

Crappy. Maybe we can liberate it with some reverse engineering. Liberate for freedom, not piracy that is :) - Matt Mastracci

bummer - Susan Beebe

Kindle app on iPhone is cool - Susan Beebe

Kindle on iphone is good enough in a tight spot but not comfortable - Barbariccia

I didn't think so either till I got one. I email my PDFs etc there too. It's awesome. - Karoli

I read Gods of Mars on my iPhone... worked well - Jerry Schuman

I've used the iPhone one a few times... works well for travel. - Matt Mastracci

I read the free "Red Mars" book on iPhone kindle, then bought the paper books for the trilogy in a store - Matt Mastracci

I read @paulcarr's book on my Droid this weekend in HTML - Kevin Marks

Didn't know Kindle rendered web pages / browser... product advertising fail - Susan Beebe

H+ magazine is a good example of a progressive publication. They started out as a PDF form of the paper magazine, but quickly morphed to a rich experience after everyone complained. - Matt Mastracci

I love using Google's FastFlip on my iPhone. Not a bad magazine interface - Jerry Schuman

yep, that is cool - Susan Beebe

"Footnotes are very pedestrian" How punny! - Ron Schott

Susan, the web browser on Kindle is still in beta. - Karoli

oooh thanks! - Susan Beebe

hahah Scoble's bored! LOL - Susan Beebe

I think Charlie Stross has done well giving away "Accelerando" for free... - Christopher A Carr

I don't think that rich, wild layout format works on the web or on a tablet. - Matt Mastracci

now Scobles holds up Kindle hoping we won't notice him looking at that "Make" magazine! - Susan Beebe

Books in print and books on screens will coexist. - Cliff Gerrish

Agreed - most users still consume content in both mediums - Susan Beebe

Eventually paper books will start to decline, but it'll be after we force the publishers to remove DRM on the books and let us transport them across machines. - Matt Mastracci

plus they're offloading their operational costs for the amazon mp3 store via AWS. A nice flat TCO - Jerry Schuman

Legacy Tech -> Early Piracy -> Highly Controlled Tech -> High-Fidelity Piracy -> Openness - Matt Mastracci

I want the audio version included when I buy a digital book - let me move from audio to digital, depending on what I am currently doing. And keep me in the right place between the two. - Rob La Gesse

MG's article on TechCrunch --> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Susan Beebe

TVO.org has a nice debate on the future of reading (incl. Bill Buxton of MSFT) - http://tinyurl.com/y85qvzp - Cliff Gerrish

three screens and a cloud... - Cliff Gerrish

Rob - me too! I buy paper, Amazon electronic format and audio. Would love to have these tie into my iPhone more - Susan Beebe

YouTube is king of video - Susan Beebe

Think you'll see some interesting stuff at CES regarding this.. The strategic partner I'm working with is going to be demoing some pretty cool stuff regarding playing content across devices. - Jerry Schuman

I want all my media (audio/video/books/docs/mail) on a server at home, backed up to a cloud and synced to a personal device. Everything available, all the time. - Matt Mastracci

Matt, bingo - Jerry Schuman

What Matt said. - Christopher A Carr

Cloud -- iPhone mobile is just fine for me :) - Susan Beebe

Yeah, but Qik is live.. - Christopher A Carr

i clicked on a youtube video today and it wouldn't work on my iphone. i pouted. - Karoli

Yeah, you sorta expect every YouTube video to work on an iphone. Not always true. - Cliff Gerrish

no way! strange! - Susan Beebe

Qik is a neat toy on current handsets. Starting 2011, compressing on the phone won't be an issue. - Christopher A Carr

youtube videos, no problem on skyfire browser - Tim Jones

Scoble's camera is bigger than yours. - Cliff Gerrish

Tim: But, WinMo, ugh. - Christopher A Carr

do we really need go there, Christopher? - Tim Jones

Twitter birddog for FriendFeed, I believe. Up to 400,000 user tracks. - Matt Mastracci

Tim: Nope. - Christopher A Carr

qik will be great on netbooks or tablets - but then again those also will have ustream access - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Gabe is wrong - personalized content streams are going to be with us in the first quarter of next year - Nick Halstead

Twitter is a personalized content stream... - Cliff Gerrish

have a look at http://tunein.com as a personal techmeme - Kevin Marks

wee smirch? what was that Steve? - Susan Beebe

The beginnings of automatic personalized content streams are already here (lazyfeed, etc). TechMeme better step up quick. - Matt Mastracci

Handsets in 2011 will be more powerful than most 2009 netbooks: http://www.broadcom.com/press... - Christopher A Carr

tweetmeme love that app! - Susan Beebe

WeSmirch -- Techmeme for celebrity gossip. - Cliff Gerrish

oooh thanks Cliff... I am soooooooooo out of that circle :D - Susan Beebe

8 million people visit it every month Gabe - Nick Halstead

Susan, it's also run by Gabe. - Cliff Gerrish

tweetmeme is valuable for TRENDING topics on twitter (RT functionality) - Susan Beebe

oooh didn't know that - Susan Beebe

wrong, wrong, wrong - our button supplies less than 5% of our traffic - Nick Halstead

Ah, so when Gabe asked "what's tweetmeme" he was being facetious? - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken, yes - lol - Nick Halstead

Ken - haha same reaction i had...doh! - Susan Beebe

Could Techmeme function if I had a personal filter that allow me to choose which sources I cared about? - Ken Sheppardson

yahoo portal pages are the goto source for non-techs who love reading the celebrity news - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://livingstories.googlelabs.com/ <-- interesting experiment by google in evolving stories. - Matt Mastracci

Ken - great idea! You can check out topics, not sure about filtering sources - Susan Beebe

Ken: no. On Techmeme they choose the sources and you have no control. - Robert Scoble

I'm not talking about Techmeme, per se, I'm talking about a service that presented data and stories in the same way, but selected only from among the sources I specified - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed :) - Susan Beebe

we already have personalised channels -> iphone.tweetmeme.com all that will change is that others can make them next year - Nick Halstead

sorry - link http://iphone.tweetmeme.com - Nick Halstead

where is the chat room for this show? is this it? - kosso

Nick - cool :) - Susan Beebe

Kosso: this is it. - Robert Scoble

I wonder if Gabe reads WeSmirch - Cliff Gerrish

kosso - yes :) - Susan Beebe

@kosso bingo :) - Nick Halstead

kosso - yes, this is the main chat area - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

thanks ;) - kosso

i found it interesting that Gabe asked what Tweetmeme was, then went on to explain some things about it - kosso

@kosso lol - Nick Halstead

there needs to be an understanding between sites that do automated/rules curation and sites that do human editorial curation - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

reads tweets in Google Reader - Tim Jones

we have over a million people reading Technology category -> http://tweetmeme.com/categor... ignore that Gabe - Nick Halstead

Tim, you read in Google Reader? how interesting... - Karoli

Nick LOL :D - Susan Beebe

also, earlier Steve said that USteam had overtaken Qik on the iPhone. The thing is, is that Qik was the first to offer live video on the (jailbroken) iPhone. Apple have hamstrung Qik - very unfair. Though the quality of UStream is indeed excellent. Best thing about UStream is that you can record as well as broadcast live - from the desktop or mobile - kosso

The top story on TweetMeme is NSFW, btw :) - Matt Mastracci

Oh geesh!! too funny - Susan Beebe

Where are TechMeme's readership stats? In a form we can verify? - Ken Sheppardson

gabe should release TechMeme's reader numbers in a verifiable way - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

yup, works for me. also for stuff not in twitter, blog posts, etc. it's all goes to my Google Reader - Tim Jones

We have 100,000 websites using our button - thats 100,000 sources of realtime information - how can Gave just ignore that? - Nick Halstead

I don't quite understand Gabe's critique... other than the fact that he runs Techmeme and Tweetmeme isn't it. - Ken Sheppardson

we serve 180 million buttons a day - if compete showed those results we would be the biggest site in the world!!! - Nick Halstead

WOW - Susan Beebe

I will email robert our real google analytics now - if he wants them - Nick Halstead

I use tweetmeme button on my blog too, does help get more uniques! - Susan Beebe

Nick, you should output iframes instead of images with your JS. I think some of those toolbars count those frames as impressions. - Matt Mastracci

Gabe sounds very _very_ defensive. Think he should loosen up a bit. - Josiah Kiehl

Scoble - tell Steve I want to be on the show next time round - so I can fight my corner here - he is talking complete rubbish - Nick Halstead

Scoble, can Gillmor call Nick and add him in over Skype? - Matt Mastracci

Nick should definitely be on GG next! - Susan Beebe

i do agree with Gabe actually. Though Tweetmeme has a lot of button installs (congrats Nick) I think the stats are simply hits on the Javascript - not to the site itself. I could be wrong. ;p - kosso

I can be on Skype Scoble - Nick Halstead

Steve - ADD Nick to this show!! - Susan Beebe

Nick: It doesn't typically work that way... there's no attempt to be fair/balanced... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah. Gabe missed SpaceShip One as well. - Rob La Gesse

Nick said otherwise, Kosso. ;) - Josiah Kiehl

Are we going to get to the Google Openness Manifesto soon? - Ron Schott

Nick: is Tweetmeme editorialised in any way? Or is it simply weighted on the number of clicks on the retweet buttons? [out of interest] - kosso

hahah! Microsoft missed that the internet is important - OMG that is epic - Susan Beebe

just one last funny comment on Gabe saying he doesnt know what TweetMeme is: the first time I met him in SF he said 'When are you going to rename your service' - at which point I just laughed - Nick Halstead

Nick - he's just jealous :P - Susan Beebe

Microsoft is monolithicly slow, cause they're monolithicly sized. - Josiah Kiehl

Settle down people, I wanted to Scoble to define Tweetmeme. I didn't say that I hadn't heard of it. I think it's important to define what he means by Tweememe because there are 2 faces to the service: 1. button provider , 2. link aggregator - Gabe Rivera

@kosso the ranking is based upon 3 elements, score, velocity + age - score is based upon about 10 factors, but a lot made up of the authority of each twitter user who tweets the link - Nick Halstead

@nick ta ;) - kosso

You don't have to choose between slow and massive. - Matt Mastracci

@gabe please dont try and speak for our service - you know nothing about our stats - the button is a tiny % of our traffic for the main site - just because TC say something doesnt make it true - Nick Halstead

You do have to be specifically focused on NOT being slow if you are massive. This is why startups have a chance: they're naturally more agile. - Josiah Kiehl

"The Road Ahead" was 1995, right? Would be interesting to read it again today. - Ken Sheppardson

Microsoft as a group 'noticed' the internet in '95: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr... - Matt Mastracci

compete.com is actually also completely and utterly wrong - quantcast is the only site with semi-accurate data for us - http://www.quantcast.com/tweetme... - Nick Halstead

TechMeme really is excellent imho. It's my primary source of tech news/memes multiple times a day - kosso

Silverlight is "open"? - Josiah Kiehl

Silverlight is not open. - Matt Mastracci

Since when? - Josiah Kiehl

so impressed with the picture and quality of the broadcast, Steve/Cliff. Gotta run now...happy holidays to you all. - Karoli

hard to turn ship, but best thing is that MS could do is sell more Windows that more people use to get to Google - Tim Jones

Silverlight is the exact definition of closed. - Matt Mastracci

Google has a lot of Microsoft DNA in it these days... - Cliff Gerrish

There is a difference between "GNU Open" and "Google Open".... but Silverlight is CLEARLY neither. - Josiah Kiehl

See ya Karoli... - Cliff Gerrish

+1 Josiah - Matt Mastracci

Karoli - Happy Holidays to you too! ;) - Susan Beebe

I think the difference is that Google's revenue increases when the web is more open. Microsoft's decreases. It's how the companies are set up. - Josiah Kiehl

a friend's 15 yr old kid bought a netbook from money earned from babysitting job- more people getting on net - Tim Jones

The TechCrunch article about how Android is going after Windows Mobile rather than iPhone made a lot of sense. - Josiah Kiehl

If you want to compare Microsoft, consider some of these products: Flash (closed, private development), Silverlight (closed source, private development), Windows (closed source, private development), Chrome OS (open source), Chrome Browser (open source), Google Web Toolkit (open source). - Matt Mastracci

Mobile is where M$ needs to focus to get back in the game - Susan Beebe

A friend of mine works on the WinMo team. He told me they recently ported IE6 to WinMo. THAT's a step forward, eh? eh? - Josiah Kiehl

Chrome browser been on Windows since Sept 08. Zune UI on WinMo 7 would be great - Tim Jones

Microsoft is a few years behind on mobile. The focus on back-compat hobbles them. They can't release a WinMo that breaks 10 year-old-apps, but Apple can break compat from year to year. - Matt Mastracci

What did the carriers do? - Josiah Kiehl

As M$ declines further into history, they will find it more challenging to woo high end staffing resources - Susan Beebe

Outside of Xbox, what's exciting out of Microsoft? - Matt Mastracci

It's important that everyone ignore what's new out of Microsoft. - Cliff Gerrish

That way it'll be a surprise. - Cliff Gerrish

A twitter? - Josiah Kiehl

email? - Tim Jones

@gaberivera? - Josiah Kiehl

http://twitter.com/gaberivera - Susan Beebe

Microsoft's Windows 7 is quite good. I'm using it here. - Robert Scoble

But is it exciting? - Matt Mastracci

Robert - on your netbook? What model is that? - Susan Beebe

Robert, keep it quiet. - Cliff Gerrish

@Robert : is "quite good" enough? ;) - kosso

The real question for Google is how can they sustain their openness when Doc Searls disrupts the advertising model. - Ron Schott

CNBC is actually having a news special on iPhone apps. - Cliff Gerrish

I run Windows 7 on my 27" iMac - primarily so I can use Windows LiveWriter and Outlook. - Rob La Gesse

cool. i am seriously thinking of formatting one of my laptops with Win7 - Susan Beebe

LiveWriter is good... - Christopher A Carr

I'm going to get a copy of Win7 for my Mac too. I already do silverlight develop that way. - Cliff Gerrish

I still run Windows, but it's in a VM for a handful of apps and testing. The total number of non-web apps I interact with is pretty low. - Matt Mastracci

Windows 7 surprised me. It's actually a worthwhile OS, from a usability point of view. I actually took some of Win7s features and configured my Ubuntu install to behave similarly. - Josiah Kiehl

Andoid baby! - Tim Jones

Android is the one to watch ! (my iPhone is jealous now) - Susan Beebe

I still love my G1.. just can't wait to get more space for applications. Need to do the apps2sd thing, I guess. - Josiah Kiehl

I want Droid in 2010 in the UK! - Nick Halstead

Scoble - what netbook do you have? - Susan Beebe

I haven't had to boot(camp) in to Windows for over a month now. This is the longest in my pc-based career ever I haven't need it. I feel overwhelmingly *safer* ;) - No trojans etc ;) - kosso

Did all of you get the news... "BREAKING – Microsoft slapped hard by court: Can’t sell Word" http://friendfeed.com/robdian... - Micah Wittman

Thanks Gillmore Gang! :) - Susan Beebe

Entertaining as always, thanks. - Matt Mastracci

I don't have one right now. I don't like them that much. - Robert Scoble

@Nick you can get the 'MileStone' now. - kosso

Nick: Skip that Droid handset. Snapdragon chipset handsets are coming in 2010. - Christopher A Carr

Micah - yep, crazy huh! - Susan Beebe

Just check'n. Thanks, Susan. - Micah Wittman

Scoble - netbook - too small ? - Susan Beebe

I'd rather just use an iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Micah - yeah. They have to retool part of the Office release before they can continue selling it. The docx load/save functionality is infringing, which is a big part of the new format. - Matt Mastracci

yeah, I saw that. The XML feature is "little used"? I thought docx _was_ xml. - Josiah Kiehl

haha gotcha. I'd get a netbook if it could support the high resolution on my new 23" Dell monitor - Susan Beebe

Josiah: docx is xml. - Robert Scoble

desktop > netbook >mobile phone - Tim Jones

I use my iPhone more than ANY other computer - Susan Beebe

well... Microsoft said the XML feature is little used. See here: http://www.reuters.com/article... - Josiah Kiehl

mobile phone screen too small - Tim Jones

RE: iPhone. It seems bizarre to me that you still have to kill an app to open another app. - Christopher A Carr

i'm such an edge case for smart phones - the screens are just way too small. that's why i'm looking for a tablet that I can use as a remote view onto my servers - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yes, that does suck. My old BB handled multiple apps just fine - Susan Beebe

I think that's got to be spin. The patent is basically on how you serialize a document on the screen to XML. Unless they've got a way to sidestep some of the claims, it'll be a big job. - Matt Mastracci

Hence Android > iPhone OS. :) Apps like Locale, however, are the reasons I have an Android phone. - Josiah Kiehl

my iPhone is my 'communicator', 'informer', 'connector' and 'entertainer'. It just works. I've never had a phone that I use for more things other than phone calls - ever. - kosso

I just noticed loren feldman managed to slam the GG and scoble while dumping on the praise for calcanis http://bit.ly/7ckTYz - Paul E. Ester

phone for quick info, but for moving around the screen alot on the go, whips out netbook - Tim Jones

Thanks everybody, great show. - Cliff Gerrish

Hardware-wise, Android handsets are going to get well out in front of iPhones this upcoming year. - Christopher A Carr

indeed - Paul E. Ester

I still have a hard time engaging in conversation on the phone, as much as I use it. I'll usually save a big reply for the desktop when I'm at home. - Matt Mastracci

Kevin Marks is getting huge! Easy mate. - Paul E. Ester

@christopher : iteration should certainly be faster. I *like* my HTC Hero, but I *love* my iPhone. And before I had one (iPhone), I never thought I'd ever say that. - kosso

lol @ the best twitter account from Paul's link above: http://twitter.com/common_... - Josiah Kiehl

The nail in the coffin for me with the iPhone is the tie-in with iTunes, which I despise. - Christopher A Carr

+1 Christopher... I just want to dump media on it sometimes and I skip it because it's too much of a pain to go through the iTunes gateway - Matt Mastracci

@christopher I agree with that. I can't stand itunes. but I really do admire how utterly simple Apple have made it to spend money in their ecosystem. Far easier than Google. - kosso

Want DoubleTwist to work desperately: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt..., but never seems to... - Matt Mastracci

kosso: It's worked well for Apple, for sure. - Christopher A Carr

off now to continue building my hybrid iPhone/Android apps ... cheers all! ;) - kosso

Here is a shoutout for the amazing tricaster wish I could afford it! - Paul E. Ester

you go Apple if you have money to burn, but fo' da rest of us 90% folks, well.. - Tim Jones

Sam Whitmore

Robert Scoble and Philip Seymour Hoffman -- you be the judge.

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Heheh. Separated at birth! - Chris Preimesberger

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ffsms: (now, released for USA) Send Your FriendFeed Posts via SMS! Sign up, get your PIN and post to FF from your mobile phone. It is FREE! #ffsms Try it now: - http://ffsms.com/

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Users from the USA can use our new project "ffsms": ffsms is the first FriendFeed service brings you ability of posting to FriendFeed via SMS. After its pre-release in Turkey, it is available for you! You'll just pay for a standart SMS. Try it now! (Feedback: http://friendfeed.com/ffsms) - Alp from Bookmarklet

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Kol, you're too fast! - Ahmet Alp Balkan

;-) - Kol Tregaskes

congrugulations. :) i have used it in Turkey. It was fantastic. :) - Onur Şentüre

Alp, who are you using to provide SMS functionality here in the U.S. ? - Carter Rabasa

Carter, we use services of Zeep. - Alp

Alp çok iyi işler çıkarıyorsun :) helal olsun - Mert

Alp, will MMS work and attach files/photos? - chrisofspades

@chris, no that is just for raw text. - Alp

(in Canada, so can't try it) but this is fantastic for Turkey and the US - great job Alp! - Micah Wittman

Micah, I think it may work for Canada but will charge extra fee. btw thanks, help spreadin'! :) - Alp

Well done Alp :) - Hamdi Kavak

That's great! - . -

it's working perfectly. way to go! =) - Elif Crt

Hayırlı olsun!! Keep up the good work, guys :) - directeur

E süpermiş bu :) - \(*_*)/

When's it coming to the UK? ;) - Nicholas James

Nicholas, I'm not sure about it. Most probably in a few weeks, it seems nobody wants to use this in the US, so maybe we will never launch for UK. Even Turkish people are using it a lot but American friends haven't liked it. We included launching for Iran in our plans. - Alp

I read that as FFS MS rather than FF SMS - I liked mine more ;-) - Graeme Spice

Thanks, Alp. - Micah Wittman

Oh, you're welcome :) - Alp

Thanks for the update Alp - Nicholas James

That's great! Now I'll just wait till they have it in the Netherlands as well - or move to the states, whichever comes first ;) - James Kuypers

@James I've no idea about how many of FriendFeed users are from Netherlands or other European countries. I think Russia and UK are the at the 1st and 2nd place about FriendFeed usage. Do you have any idea? - Alp

and Canada? - Zachary TG

It maybe launched soon. - Alp

great idea...i also hope it will launched in Italy very soon! :-D - bevero

Wayne Sutton

Foursquare + Square = Killer Small Business Social CRM - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009...

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"Interesting read. I do think Square and location based apps could be the solution for social CRM for small business. The question is will it be Foursquare or another app with so many launching now. Also there is a CC processing app on the iPhone. Couldn't a small business or someone use the api from social sites with one of those apps too? Either way location and social CRM will see a big push in 2010." - Wayne Sutton

...possibilities - .LAG liked that

Loic Le Meur

“To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing.” – Elbert Hubbard via Tim Ferriss

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I recycle it :) - Roberto Chibbaro

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I tried that, once. People told me I was lazy. - Pat Rice

I always followed that concept, now I am broke :\ - \(*_*)/

Reminds me of the cartoon I once saw: ''You either make dust, or you eat dust" - Deon Binneman

Oh yes! - Florin Grozea

Did anyone notice where Loic's posting (getting ideas) from? http://identi.ca/loic - A Mitchell

This quote truly makes me cry. I have a bang up quote for my email but this might be the replacement. So good - Braden Douglass

Jesse Stay

FriendFeed will now automatically post all your updates from status update services to Facebook if the FF app's installed:

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From: http://www.facebook.com/apps... - Jesse Stay

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Who said the FriendFeed team wasn't working on new updates to FriendFeed? - Jesse Stay

Hey Benjamin, do these go out as actual status updates on Facebook, or do they just get added to the stream (via stream.publish)? I think that makes a big difference on whether I install this or not (I removed Twitter awhile back because it was overwhelming my friends). Another option, which I know isn't available via the API yet, would be to set a preference on which friends or friend lists see the status updates. Then it wouldn't matter. - Jesse Stay

stream.publish is used for all the API calls. Status updates (FriendFeed entries not made via the bookmarklet, Twitter entries, Google Talk, etc.) become status updates on Facebook. Things that aren't status updates (Google Reader shares, the bookmarklet, etc.) also use stream.publish but without the "message" parameter, just a link attachment (and thus aren't status updates on Facebook). Anything with images will have media attached as well - Benjamin Golub

For make benefit glorious facebookistan. - EricaJoy

Thanks Benjamin - that makes sense - Jesse Stay

Benjamin, any plans to enable the bookmarklet to update the Facebook status? - Louis Gray

Louis: since the bookmarklet implies you are sharing a link, no. It still will be published to Facebook, just not as a status update :) - Benjamin Golub

Rats. :) - Louis Gray

Sorry :). The "message" part of a status update is supposed to be the user's words. Most of the time when you are using the bookmarklet it's just the page's title. A work around is to just visit friendfeed.com and copy/paste the URL along with whatever you want as your status. That will become a Facebook status update. - Benjamin Golub

I wish FriendFeed had a backwards compatible way for me to upload photos and share them. Their photo uploader thingy won't work through a proxy, so I can't share photos here. :( - Otto

playing around with this now. - (jeff)isageek

Something I am confused about is exactly which services will and will not be status updates. There are some that I would prefer not to become facebook status updates and some I am cool with. I am not cool with my twitter @replies becoming status updates, nor am I cool with things like Disqus or Backtype becoming one. Do you plan on adding some sort of preferences for users to be able to fine tune this? - April Russo (app103)

agree with april would love to see some way that my @reply messages on twitter do not become my status messages on facebook - (jeff)isageek

April: basically things that don't have a link (unless the link is *in* the message) are status updates. For example if you typed "check this out" and put a link in the box and hit post that is a status update. But if you shared using Google Reader or have a feed setup to pull in your blog posts those are not status updates. - Benjamin Golub

OK, got it. Still would like to see some preferences similar to what is currently available for posting updates to twitter, to fine tune this and filter out @replies. I am likely to make all my friends and family on facebook quite angry if they start seeing all the fragmented conversations from twitter. - April Russo (app103)

Sorry for Cross-Post but Ben seems active in answering here. So, currently today I have FriendFeed posts in a Tab and a Box in FB but not update my status info or post on my wall. Do I understand correct that I will no longer be able to sync in this way? That's truly a shame if that is the case, I do not want to flood my friends in FB with the stuff I post elsewhere, it's not fair to them. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Dude, I found that one out the hard way a couple weeks ago. It's total poo. Even after I removed my FB data from my FriendFeed, everything I did on the Internet kept dumping into my Facebook news feed. Acquisition fail? - Jolie O'Dell

There are more discussions about this here btw: http://ff.im/d0ZMp - Kol Tregaskes

Bret Taylor

Happy holidays from the FriendFeed crew! - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...

December 23, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Thanks to Kevin for another great logo... - Bret Taylor

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YAY! Snowmens! - Yolanda

Cool logo! :) - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

I think they need scarves. They look cold. - Yolanda

Great logo! Simple and fun. - Brandon Titus

great :) çok sevdim bu logoyu :) - Burak Budak

Cool :D - Pedram

Kevin - that is an awesome logo!!!!! - Susan Beebe

A nice tribute to Bill Waterson :) - MVB (Grinch of FF)

+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas - Steve C

cute but what happened to festivus this year? - Laura Norvig

Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.) - Mitchell Tsai

Happy Festivus! - ◄ani625Ξ

Happy festive season to you all as well :) - Niki Costantini

Happy Holidays!!! - David Cook

love it~ - Sunny

Love!!! - BeeLing

Glad you like it! (And glad people picked up on the Waterson influence :-) - Kevin Fox

Merry Christmas! :D - Ron

Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :) - Christopher Galtenberg

w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Merry Christmas to all - Craig Eddy

Merry Christmas! - Svein Håvard Djupvik

Haha! I love horrified snowmen. Merry Christmas to FriendFeed! - Chris Lasher

Joyeux Noel a tout le monde! - Mathieu Ayel

Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! - Anne Bouey

Feliz navidad a ti! - JA Castillo

Thanks! Happy Holidarys! Merry Christmas! - Bill Romanos

happy christmas, chanukah and kwanzaa. - D. Eda Goze

happy chrismas and a happy new year!!! - ethan meccage

That's when they loved us :( - Christopher Harley

Awwwww sniff - Kevin Fox

Happy holidays! Take good care of yourselves and... enjoy those days off! <o> \o, - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Merry Christmas! - Ian May

Tks and love you all !!! - Renchin(Reina)

ahh, the good ol' days. - MikeAmundsen

Happy Holidays FriendFeers! <superbump /> - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

cool!! - Ferzvladimir

*bump* - imabonehead

Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else. - Michael R. Bernstein

ای جان چقدر خوبه این - WALL.E

1 yıl geçmiş üzerinden bretim taylorum vay anasına dimi.. - Taylan GERDAN (Tylolhot)

Atul Arora

Official Google Blog: Translate Google Sites with one click - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...

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Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

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Looking forward to Gillmor Gang at 1pm - Kevin Marks

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that's what I'm talking about - Raphael, Raphael

The Penultimate 2009 show! I'm now standing by waiting for the Skype call. - Robert Scoble

Connecting to the stream now =) - Kish

I cannot watch the video from iPhone. Can you guys enable that in 2010. It would really help! ty - Nishant

There's a ustream iPhone app, I hear that works. - Cliff Gerrish

Nishant: yes, the ustream iPhone app works great. - Robert Scoble

2 or 3 minutes until show time. - Cliff Gerrish

One to two minutes until we start. - Robert Scoble

please discuss the Nexus One - Raphael, Raphael

Happy Holidays everyone.... - Jeff Sandquist

still flies in the face of the current change to conversation vs. clicks - Jerry Schuman

I cannot seem to find 'gilmor gang or building 43' on the ustream viewer app. any tips? thanks a lot. - Nishant

Search Newsgang - Rob La Gesse

great. thanks! - Nishant

spamming google with real-time: by @sugarrae http://outspokenmedia.com/seo... - Kevin Marks

And now I have to look at the top one to two to three link after the real time mess. - Ken Sheppardson

Actually, for Tiger Woods, the "Latest Results" is now just above the fold at the bottom of the page, as the 5th or 6th result. - Ken Sheppardson

I don't care if they keep it - but I do hope they let me turn it off. I'm not a fan. - Rob La Gesse

I like the Social Search feature that adds in links from people I follow http://www.google.com/experim... - Kevin Marks

I think they'll just push it down the page so we don't have to see it, Rob - Ken Sheppardson

For Scoble, maybe :P - Jalada

entertainment! fun! - Christopher Harris

Cruel but true. - Ken Sheppardson

hey, Jason - Raphael, Raphael

gotta love a guest who starts off insulting the listeners of the show - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Welcome, Jason - Rob La Gesse

hello, don't you people have something better to do. - Jason Calacanis

Nope, this is about it. - Cliff Gerrish

You mean listen to the show, or talk about it, Jason? - Ken Sheppardson

i've got this on in the background - Christopher Harris

Heheh - Robert Scoble

Wow, that demonstrated how far behind I am on ustream. - Jalada

Hey guys, don't tell Curry I'm here ;) - Michelle

your show is the background music to my work right now. - Jeff Sandquist

Here in Norway we don't have much to do. either watch Gillmore Gang or have Obama over for coffee - Qbat

The idea @Jason was suggesting sounded like http://topsy.com - Kevin Marks

Subtle. - Jalada

Hello there, Michelle! - Rob La Gesse

So don't expect real time feeds embedded on Mahalo. - Ken Sheppardson

even if it's a tool that the curators would use? or does Mahalo expect their curator to spend more time off of Mahalo? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Has Aardvark (vark.com) come up on GG recently? Anybody tried it? - Ken Sheppardson

Aardvark is trying to address this exact example. - Jerry Schuman

You beat me to it Ken. - Jerry Schuman

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

The real-time component of Google is like introducing the Slashdot effect to the most popular site on the world. People better be prepared for it, infrastructure wise. Jes' sayin. - Michelle

Michelle: That's what elastic hosting is for. Cue advert for Rackspace Cloud Sites! - Jalada

A google fail whale would be sorta cool. - Cliff Gerrish

@Cliff - it exists. It is called Wave. - Rob La Gesse

getting them weekly for gmail, igoogle and so on - but they only last a couple of minutes mostly - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

They need one of those cute graphics to really annoy people. - Cliff Gerrish

Google isn't scared of this stuff at all. Ask Matt Cutts. If it gets big, they'll just buy it. - Michelle

It's not a threat. The Google ecosystem is much bigger than just search. - Michelle

Results are changing from links to widgets. - Cliff Gerrish

Have we started "search is dead" yet? - Ken Sheppardson

the biggest change for google search is that now its more dynamic, fade in's, drop downs and so on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

scared is a loaded word... let's say concerned. - Jason Calacanis

@cliff, totally agree with the links to widgets. We're moving back into compound document architectures backed by some fairly sophisticated intelligence. - Jerry Schuman

Widgets can handle streams of data... - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, not by name, but I'll bet a bunch of people do what I do...say , gee I sure wish I had that... - Karoli

http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Jason Calacanis

@cliff, yep that is absolutely what we've been focusing on here. Stream aggregation that can ID context and conversation are absolutely the next huge implementations. - Jerry Schuman

stream down - Jerry Schuman

off air - Raphael, Raphael

oh, where'd it go :( - Jalada

down down down - Christopher Harris

up up up - Christopher Harris

stream down - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

hit refresh - Jerry Schuman

who tripped over the cord? - gfurry

Jason loved the tricaster too much - HansVanRock

destination sites are DEAD - Jerry Schuman

pundits decrying what is dead.... is dead - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Pubsubhubbub revived Atom, though - Raphael, Raphael

"obsolete enough to be useful" is what Gillmor means by 'dead' - Kevin Marks

Streams a little funky - going up and down. - Cliff Gerrish

stable for me, except that one glitch - Rob La Gesse

facebooksense - Christopher Harris

Every big Network service will need a public and private component. - Cliff Gerrish

soc graph is definitely a triangulation point for identity - Jerry Schuman

physical devices and their unique fingerprint is going to be another triangulation point for identity - Jerry Schuman

Facebook search sucks. - Karoli

read the quantum computing blog post from Google. They're working on this exact problem - Jerry Schuman

Karoli--that's why they bought the engineering team for this social network! - Michelle

Agree, Michelle. FF search is the finest I've used. - Karoli

facebook as an identity platform will go the way of Microsoft Passport if it's 1) not open standards and 2) they don't use the private identity info for corporate gain - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I won't use FB as an identity platform because they have exhibited anti-privacy behaviour - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

my issue with FB was the default to google indexing while giving users the impression they were protecting them. - Karoli

i think they totally duped the development community beyond what they've done to the end users. - Jerry Schuman

Jason is right 100% - Antonella Stellacci

What was changed was the default for people who had not set them to public or open (i.e. using the FB default which was private) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Congress may care about privacy on the internet, but they don't actually know what that means. - Cliff Gerrish

privacy is dead - Raphael, Raphael

nice cam angle - HansVanRock

Cliff I agree with that, but they can sure mess with us a lot. - Robert Scoble

the difference is the data that people have invested into the Facebook data environment - it's a lot more personal than Twitter could ever collect - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

LOL...jason is a little bit sleep-deprived. he's babbling. - Karoli

is there #TWiSt tomorrow? - Raphael, Raphael

Karoli - I don't think Jason is the one getting up for the night time feedings - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

put Cliff in the place of Jason. - Jerry Schuman

Facebook users at risk of "rubber duck" identity attack, people see this? http://www.sophos.com/pressof... - Jalada

What about HTML5 for Android development? Why have native apps? - Cliff Gerrish

even GMail is using HTML5 now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

HTML5 and websockets... going to be an interesting place to play - Jerry Schuman

HTML5 works on Android, iPhone and Pre... - Kevin Marks

it should be called HTML5bis - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, but you'll want to use JQtouch for iPhone web app development... - Cliff Gerrish

I like arguments that consist of "Yes", "No", "Yes", "No"... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

HTML5 has handoff provisions... that is what he's getting to - Jerry Schuman

the <video> html5 tag allows webkit to expose codecs for devs to use - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

do browsers actually have codecs inside them? - Raphael, Raphael

So HTML 5 isn't a standard until the browsers actually support it. - Cliff Gerrish

it's a standard when the committee says it is - Raphael, Raphael

well, it can be a standard - just not a well implemented standard - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

If a standard falls in the forest and no browsers support it, does it make a sound? - Cliff Gerrish

heck, they are still arguing amongst themselves on what is going to be in the HTML5 standard - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

802.11 (WiFi) devices were available (and *mostly* compliant with the standard) years before the standard was ratified. - Rob La Gesse

yes, 802.11 is an excellent example - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Actually, HTML5 is on 'last call' according to WHATWG, but not according to W3C. So, it's sorta close. - Cliff Gerrish

the point is that there are implementations in the wild regarding HTML5 in anticipation of a ratified standard. Not much different then what happened to 802.11 N - Jerry Schuman

ok.. quit stealing my damn thoughts before I can type them out - Jerry Schuman

:) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

That's why you have a closed Chrome hardware play -- you can implement HTML5 in a closed system. - Cliff Gerrish

I switched OurDoings to HTML5, but I'm only using the parts of it that older browsers can handle. - Bruce Lewis

Well, since I was there when 802.11 was born, I had to bring up the example :) - Rob La Gesse

Robert's point is very valid - the app devs will be able to get on board the HTML5 train and enjoy the benefits and hopefully the standards body will avoid tweaking it out of usability - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I want to see a closer pic of Kevin's whiteboard over his shoulder ;-) - Jerry Schuman

google must be *loving* html5 because they will get all of those apps to be immediatly usable on any new Chrome netbook and also all new Android devices - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

no.. they'll hack up their own solutions in the meantime. Hell Comet/Push was hacked together prior to the standardization of websockets - Jerry Schuman

Android and iPhone implementations of webkit are different. So, there are different capabilities there... - Cliff Gerrish

you also have to look at what Google is doing with GWT. It plays a big role on supplementing what they're doing in HTML5 - Jerry Schuman

ATT is Austin completely sucks - Rob La Gesse

Randall Stross wrote that for the Times, but it was largely debunked. - Cliff Gerrish

Hey, Kevin, is there a 140 character comparison of Google Voice vs Ribbit Mobile? - Ken Sheppardson

Then why does the iphone only have to seem to have the major issues in the US? - gfurry

Chicago, New York, Dallas (HOME OF ATT!!!) all suck (as does SFO). - Rob La Gesse

It's because AT&T is the only network with the iPhone. Check Mary Meeker's stats on iPhone use in her Morgan Stanley Mobile internet report. - Cliff Gerrish

"The people of Boulder against ATT" : http://www.facebook.com/group... - Rob La Gesse

Will Google maps/directions only be available on Android? Why not an HTML5 version that runs on the iPhone too? - Cliff Gerrish

the platform is too large not to port to iphone - gfurry

This seems a bit like having to develop apps for each make/model of laptop... HTML5 FTW - Ken Sheppardson

as long as what happened to HTML within IE doesn't happen to HTML5 - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

it will be in OS 3.5 or 4.0? - gfurry

margins are razor thin on hardware... why would they give up online revenue by not porting new advanced features to iPhone - Jerry Schuman

Bing maps work nicely in the iPhone. - Cliff Gerrish

controlling the DECK is dead. How many people replaced their main camera app from Apple with something more sophisticated? - Jerry Schuman

ATT pays Apple handsomely for each new iPhone contract. - Rob La Gesse

mapquest makes a mapping app for iphone as do several GPS makers. The platform is too big not to - gfurry

Thanks everyone! - Robert Scoble

great episode you all - HansVanRock

so are we continuing this thread from last week into this week? - Karoli

Jesse Stay

And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:

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I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF - Mike Nencetti

Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest... - Jesse Stay

Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem. - Louis Gray

Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot. - Ken Sheppardson

i use google.com/reader too - Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)

Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete. - AJ Kohn

There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader). - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first? - Jesse Stay

Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader - Jesse Stay

See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree - Jesse Stay

Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again. - Louis Gray

I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling. - Matthew DeVries

So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way? - Jesse Stay

Neither.... it's apples and oranges. - Jason Williams

Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition. - Jesse Stay

Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here? - Jason Williams

Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats. - Jesse Stay

looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction! - Allen Stern

Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case. - Jesse Stay

Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is. - Jesse Stay

for the record i rarely to never use google reader. - Allen Stern

when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me. - Bill Kinney

Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook. - Louis Gray

Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :) - Louis Gray

i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box - Allen Stern

No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :) - Louis Gray

louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :) - Allen Stern

Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much. - Jason Williams

Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :) - Micah Wittman

*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day. - Micah Wittman

You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats - Jesse Stay

I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader - Ian May

Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed. - Louis Gray

Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above. - Ken Sheppardson

I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime. - jcunwired

Surely not. - Will Higgins™

I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem! - beersage

I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family). - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I never knew there was a reader.google.com - Richard Lawler

Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet). - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore. - Robert Scoble

Don't talk about yourself in the third person. - Mark

I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk> - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-) - Jesse Stay

Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.) - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :) - Louis Gray

Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are?? - Roberto Bonini

it is still my best organic conversational real time tool... - Yann Ropars

Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there. - Roberto Bonini

manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory. - Roberto Bonini

Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days. - Louis Gray

Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now? - Steve

Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts. - Louis Gray

Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used. - Louis Gray

Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it. - Louis Gray

As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down) - Jesse Stay

Because it is down. - Louis Gray

Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong - Jesse Stay

:-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs. - Louis Gray

I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-) - Jesse Stay

Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR. - Mike Nencetti

Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct? - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, correct - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation. - Louis Gray

Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :) - Louis Gray

Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down? - Edwin Khodabakchian

It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low. - Jesse Stay

Edwin: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate. - Louis Gray

Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right - Edwin Khodabakchian

Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data. - Louis Gray

Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... - Louis Gray

Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be. - Jesse Stay

May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter - Edwin Khodabakchian

Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of. - Louis Gray

Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term. - Jesse Stay

There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from? - Jesse Stay

Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this. - Louis Gray

I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter. - Louis Gray

Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term - Jesse Stay

Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it? - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually - Jesse Stay

and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic. - Jesse Stay

Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually? - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, Facebook - Jesse Stay

Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I think that you are fooling yourself - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now. - Jesse Stay

Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects - Edwin Khodabakchian

That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time - Jesse Stay

Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself - Edwin Khodabakchian

That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread. - Louis Gray

Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects - Edwin Khodabakchian

You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does. - Louis Gray

Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing. - Jesse Stay

But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there. - Louis Gray

It is growing, your argument is dead. - Jesse Stay

I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end. - Edwin Khodabakchian

AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

AOL is investing massively to survive - Edwin Khodabakchian

AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL. - Jesse Stay

Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing. - Louis Gray

Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive) - Jesse Stay

Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity. - Louis Gray

I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying. - Jesse Stay

Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do. - Jesse Stay

(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere. - Louis Gray

Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed? - Edwin Khodabakchian

I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument? - Jesse Stay

Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period. - Louis Gray

All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying? - Jesse Stay

If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse? - Louis Gray

If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero? - Louis Gray

Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining - Jesse Stay

Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself. - Louis Gray

The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend. - Louis Gray

Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that. - Jesse Stay

OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer. - Louis Gray

Great, then we agree - Jesse Stay

I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased. - Louis Gray

I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity. - Ken Sheppardson

...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations? - Ken Sheppardson

Nope. Agreed, Ken. - Louis Gray

But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake. - Louis Gray

Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong. - Ken Sheppardson

Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline. - Louis Gray

I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point - Jesse Stay

So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive - Jesse Stay

Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week. - Louis Gray

My head hurts. - Ken Sheppardson

I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms - Jesse Stay

Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :) - Charlie Anzman

Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles. - Louis Gray

Just laughed out loud at that one Louis - Hutch Carpenter

Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle? - Jesse Stay

Nope. - Louis Gray

So Google Reader is going to be like GM? - Jesse Stay

Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing. - Ken Sheppardson

That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir) - Louis Gray

If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, correct - Jesse Stay

reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here. - Louis Gray

Louis, I use reader.google.com - Jesse Stay

I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time... - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong. - Jesse Stay

Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point. - Jesse Stay

Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"? - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US - Jesse Stay

In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined. - Ken Sheppardson

Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken is correct. - Louis Gray

Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US. - Ken Sheppardson

Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there. - Ken Sheppardson

So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

wow - ★ Soner Gönül

Interesting...... - Keith Griffiths

What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access. - Douglas Hopkins

Facebook hurts ! - Desirade

Yeah, don't bother. Senestezi is spamming. - Ken Sheppardson

Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Robert Scoble didn't make FriendFeed. FriendFeed was already here. People were using it. Scoble showed up and brought thousands of his minions. They clogged up the feed for a few months. Some of them weren't total Scobleites and stuck around. The rest bounced when he did.

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To hear people talk about FriendFeed's high point being related to Scoble really bothers me. I think R. Scoble is a cool dude, but he isn't and wasn't the God of FriendFeed by any useful measure in my book. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

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Plus, I think I've had more meaningful discussion and engagement from his brother here. :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Totally agree. - Mathew™ one of a kind

I also think it's important to note that I don't think Scoble ever claimed to 'make' FriendFeed himself. That idea was placed on him by others that did not understand his evangalism. I like Robert, don't always agree with him, but I like him and what he did for FriendFeed :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

But, ever since he pretty much declared Friendfeed dead he has been saying that since he "left" friendfeed has gone down hill. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Mathew, people left before Scoble made that statement. It was at least a month inbetween the sale and that post. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Thanks Rah! I do understand Scoble's (apparent) complaint, though: the alpha-geeks and uber-nerds (and people that orbit around them) that **he** follows -- because he's a tech blogger/media person and that's how he makes a living -- aren't participating here as much, nor are the founders, who also happen to be part of that alpha-geek set, participating here as much as they once did, if at all. - .LAG liked that

Johnny I realize that, but I'm trying to say that the way he acts makes it seem like he thinks he put the nail in the non-existent coffin of Friendfeed. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Mathew, I am willing to give Robert the benefit of the doubt on this one. 140 characters is a difficult medium to explain oneself. He calls it as he sees it, he may not be seeing much past his own nose, but he makes statements and reacts to the reaction. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

i dont know why he just doesnt make a discussion board for himself and getting all his fans join that.. solve his problem then... - Terry O'Fee

Wait. You mean Scoble didn't invent Friendfeed? Doesn't the fact that he invented the Internet mean, by extension, that Friendfeed exists because of him? :) - Curtiss Grymala

Agreed Johnny. I'm not really blaming Scoble, it's comments from others that get on my nerves. I should have clarified that initially. I can't say that he's ever called himself the master of FriendFeed or anything.... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

I guess for me it is just his actions as they appear through the tubes. - Mathew™ one of a kind

...haha! no, silly, he didn't invent Friendfeed, but as with many things, some people have a great talent for popularizing stuff and launching trends. In the Silicon Valley tech world, Scoble has a huge audience and some level of influence, and he certainly brought a lot more attention to Friendfeed than it was generating on its own. I guess the question is: can he take away just as much attention by pronouncing its last rites? Rahsheen doesn't seem to think so. - .LAG liked that

Not wanting to be a Scoble lover but I have come to realise that Robert isn't a normal user. His job and personality drive him to be where the biggest audience is. He promotes his sponsors and discovers small things and tries to promote them. He has to be cut throat because he is pitching to a cut throat audience of early adopters and techies. The key is not to take it personally, because it's not about users, it's about new, popular and promotions. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

With Scoble gone, I think FF is back where it was before he came. For many users who have stuck around, nothing has changed. For some, they're feed is less cluttered from Scoble's huge following. No, he can't kill FF by pronouncing it dead. Let's say I frequent a bar and some celeb brings his entourage. The bar will probably make a lot of money that night, possibly get some publicity or something, but when he leaves...it's business as usual. Doesn't really matter if he liked the drinks or not. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Johnny W... well-said. For me, it just makes me realize how strange the world of "technology media" really is. On the one hand, Scoble is a sort of journalist, and if that's true then it would be reasonable to expect complete objectivity on his part: when he says something perhaps it should be fact-based and not an opinion. But on the other hand he, and the Techcrunches, ad infinitums... more... - .LAG liked that

I agree. I like Robert Scoble, and I actually find his comments here and on other sites to be far less self-absorbed than some others I could name (but won't.) I didn't come here because of Robert Scoble or any other individual, so I won't be leaving on that basis either. - Mark "DerBingle" J

Rahsheen... I like the bar/celebrity analogy. Also, similar to Mark DBJ, I actually enjoy Scoble's contributions to the techmediascape, and I have no problem with him speaking his mind, but his participation (or not) never affected what I'm doing here, what I will do here, or even how I found FF in the first place. - .LAG liked that

To be fair, Robert was following people away from FriendFeed, not leading them. - Bruce Lewis

Exactly, .LAG! I like to see him around and usually read/listen to what he says, but I'm not one of his sheep. He has quite a few of those and I wonder how he feels about that :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

I think Robert's ego often gets in the way of any value he provides. I know he's usually creating controversy to link bait, but his vanity tries my patience more often than not. - Mark Davidson

:-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

LOL, Using vitriol for a good cause ==> http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Eric Logan

<- Not a 'Scobleite', unless it's an AlexScobleite, he's an ok guy. - Will Higgins™

Robert is so "mignon" ;-)))) - Desirade

Bruce is the most right on this thread. Since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've gotten 14,000 new followers on Twitter. That alone would put me at #6 on FriendFeed's user list, which is a great demonstration of why I'm investing a lot more of my time on Twitter now. FriendFeed is fun for a small group of people and that's OK. But I am spending my time where the geeks are and that's mostly on Twitter or Facebook (which I'm ramping up time on too). - Robert Scoble

Many of those who have been paying attention do share one observation about why people have migrated to Twitter: it's so we can post links to drive traffic back to our own sites or employer's sites. This, I continue to advance, is because neither FF or FB or anyone else has yet got it through their thick skulls that WE ARE THE CONTENT ... or, if they do understand that basic fact,... more... - michael silverton

michael: good point! The real problem here is that conversations that are interesting to each of us are buried amongst conversations that really aren't. - Robert Scoble

Clearly, your usage of social media is going to vary significantly if you're not actually trying to sell anything. - Victor Ganata

Good point, Victor. Many people just want to chat, have fun, maybe meet someone or learn something new. Yet, even in those cases, I'm of the mind that we're all selling something: our thoughts, our perspectives, our ideas, our sincerity. However, one need not share this perspective to see that you and I and Rah and everyone here create the value of sites like FB and FF. It's the... more... - michael silverton

Robert: as so often, you nail it. Mozilla Raindrop? :-) - michael silverton

*shrug* I also don't expect to make money off of everything I do. (If I did, I certainly wouldn't be in the field I'm in.) - Victor Ganata

Thomas Hawk

San Francisco News - The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S. - page 1 - http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12...

December 17 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"It's time to face facts: San Francisco is spectacularly mismanaged and arguably the worst-run big city in America. This year's city budget is an astonishing $6.6 billion — more than twice the budget for the entire state of Idaho — for roughly 800,000 residents. Yet despite that stratospheric amount, San Francisco can't point to progress on many of the social issues it spends liberally to tackle — and no one is made to answer when the city comes up short." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet

Jesse Stay

FriendFeed Launches Status Update Sync to Auto-update Facebook - http://staynalive.com/article...

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I've got to figure out how to kill that Tweetmeme image. I keep forgetting. - Jesse Stay

I told you how over here: http://staynalive.com/article... Let me know if you need any assistance with it, I've done similar stuff before. - Otto

Yeah - I know how. What I meant is I need to figure out how to find time to fix it. - Jesse Stay

ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Whoa, you can add people to a Twitter list without following them. Clever!

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Now being in a list is more "honorable" than being followed. - ashish

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It is kind of following people but with tags on them. - ashish

set up a private list for "trial follows" to see if I want to add them for realz - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

but strangely, you must follow them to be considered a stalker....hmmmmm - Morgan Haley

I thought the contrary, stupid not to make that a feature ;-). It's good though, you follow only when you want to rather than just anytime. - Richard A.

It's like a double-secret fake follow - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

I like the fact I can make a twitter list and add myself to the list. - Mike Nencetti

sweet. does that pump your "Listed" numbers when you add yourself to your own lists? does that number include private lists as well? - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

No idea about the hidden lists. - Richard A.

yes listing yourself increments your public twitter list count. Private lists don't appear to count in your total. - Mike Nencetti

@Mike thanks. I just discovered that, too. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Alex Scoble

Sitting in my hotel room waiting to get ready. Watching What Not To Wear and trying to relax...There's no way I'm going to stay unemotional today. Cassie's already cried twice.

December 12 from IM - Comment - Like - Share

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How many hours to go? I've got confused with which time zone you're in. - Mark H

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Good luck - hope it's a great day. Would it relax you to have us throw up a few subjects for you to tear us up on? - Patrick Jordan

Best Wishes, Alex Scoble. - Dave Roth from iPhone

Mark, 3 hours from the time he posted. - Rochelle

Thanks Rochelle. That'll be half past midnight here. I'll still be awake and watching. Not sober. But awake. - Mark H

Lot's of love to you guys and best wishes for a most awesome life together. - aden

Don't even try to stay unemotional. I cried when I made the toast at my wedding. - s t e v e

YAY! Congratulations! - Yolanda

This is exciting. Good luck!!! Congrats! - Nurse Katie

:))) - Micah Wittman

Wow! The big day really is here! :) I'm so happy for you guys. I hope everything goes great. Congratulations! - Kamilah Gill

Why is this not being streamed? - Santa CW™

CW, it is. http://friendfeed.com/itblogg... - Rochelle

I'm crying right now. - Akiva Moskovitz

Thanks Rochelle! - Santa CW™

Guests are arriving,,,the countdown begins - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed

screenshot of video http://friendfeed.com/orchid8... - Call me Bronco

whoah camera pan! - Call me Bronco

Hey, Alex! Some dude just married Cassie! You better go check on her! :D - Steven Perez

Yay! Congrats! You did a great job. :) - Rochelle

Congrats! - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

Woo, Contrats!! - Joe Pierce

yay! congratulations, Alex and Cassie! :) - holly

Enjoy your lives together. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

hope it goes/went wonderfully Alex. - Zee.

congrats - best of happy times! - barbarars

congratulations! - Jim: Dead Like FF

Congrats Alex! - Jesse Stay

Let it out, Alex. No reason to hole it up. Congrats to you and Cassie. - Derrick from iPhone

Congrats to both of you!!! <3 - Carmen

Congrats!!! - Michael Fidler

Congratulations! - bcultral

Congrats buddy :) - LANjackal

... - ★ Soner Gönül

dot dot dot - Patrick from twhirl

best wishes for you...Alex - urin

Congrats Alex! - Patrick from twhirl

Cameron Reilly

I *do* love some of the lists @KevinRuddPM has been added to http://twitter.com/KevinRu...

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joey to joey's feed, Alex Scoble

Alex, if you want me to take these down, please let me know :)

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Alex Scoble and his lovely bride Cassie. - joey

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Yay, you got the kiss! - Alix Whitmire

oh :) - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

Wonderful! - WorldofHiglet

nice.............. - VAL D. Zone

Thanks for posting these, joey. I couldn't connect to the webcam to watch it myself. - Jason Huebel

Good catch Joey! - Santa CW™

Yay! I couldn't get the webcam to show up either, so thanks for posting & CONGRATS ALEX & CASSIE! - Penguin It's Cold Outside

It was a great wedding! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

And a mazel tov to Alex and Cassie! - Akiva Moskovitz

Congrats Alex! :) - Oğuz Serdar

Yay!!! - Derrick from iPhone

Wow...congrats Alex!!! - Kamath (नमः)

I like the Christmas tree in the background! Beautiful! - Jill Hurst-Wahl

Whoa .... Congratulations you guys!!! - Charlie Anzman

Congratulations Alex & new wife :) - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

Congratulations, Alex and Cassie! What a beautiful moment! - Anne Bouey

That's great! - SAM

Congrats to both of you! - Spidra Webster

Congratulations Scobles. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Congrats!!! Makes me more excited for my day (uh...her day) in 7 months! - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Beautiful! Congrats Alex! - Carmen

Congrats..! - ★ Soner Gönül

Congratulations - You make a beautiful couple! - Tony C

Wow! Gorgeous. Congrats!!! - rowlikeagirl

Congratulations Mr and Mrs Scoble. - Eric Logan

Mazel Tov! :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

Love it! - David Cook

Awesomesauce! - Alex Scoble

Congratulations! - Elena

w00t! - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

Congrats to the two of you. - Derek Coward

Congrats looks like a wonderful wedding! - Rasmus Lauridsen from iPhone

Beautiful photos and congrats to both of you! - Emma

Congrats to the latest Mr. & Mrs. Scoble! ;-p - Robyn Hawk

Thanks, Joey! - Alex Scoble

Congratulations, Alex & Cassie! May your marriage be full of win. - Bren -- feeling merry from iPhone

Congrats Alex!! - Rachel Lea Fox

Congrats!!!!! :-D - Live4Emma (L4S)

Congratulations From Asia - Robert Higgins

Congratulations! - Mark "DerBingle" J

Totally forgot the big day was yeeterday. Congrats to you both!! - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Call me Bronco

Mr. and Mrs. Scoble.

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♥ - Alix Whitmire

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How did you get that moniker? - Rich Reader

LOL Yes, Sarah. How *did* you get that moniker? =) Rich: http://friendfeed.com/fabooma... - Admiral Anika

The Admiral Knows ;) - Call me Bronco from iPhone

Jay Rosen

Several people sent me this: The AP took a good hard look at the climate emails: Science not faked, but not pretty http://www.google.com/hostedn...

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It's utterly unsurprising to me that the details of a bunch of personal and professional emails are a little ugly. That's probably true for almost any of us. Who wouldn't, in their reasonably private communications, hurl a few barbs at people who've been relentlessly attacking your work and your person for years, tying you up with constant frivolous data requests, and in some cases (as with Wei-Chyung Wang) having people threaten to have you arrested for fraud? I'm glad I don't work in that field. - Joel Webber

The Nature review raises a good point: What kind of support will scientists need to cope with frivolous FOIAs and other attempts to legislatively hinder their work? - Mr. Gunn

Thanks for the Nature link, Hisham. The ending paragraph sums it up well, I think: "In the end, what the UEA e-mails really show is that scientists are human beings — and that unrelenting opposition to their work can goad them to the limits of tolerance, and tempt them to act in ways that undermine scientific values. Yet it is precisely in such circumstances that researchers should... more... - Joel Webber

Craig Newmark

RT @dangillmor: AP does real journalism: http://news.yahoo.com/s... thorough look at climate emails and their meaning

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Scoble's Vanity Feed

http://bit.ly/57osWM Alex Scoble (@itblogger) is getting married live on the intarweb in the next half hour! Congrats Alex and Cassie. - http://twitter.com/neonbub...

December 12 from Scoble - Twitter Search - Comment - Like - Share

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Robert's got the cell phone out again ;-) - Jesse Stay

Please send my congrats to Alex - I don't expect him to read his messages any time soon :-) - Jesse Stay

You never know! The reception starts soon. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Alex Scoble

Wedding venue web cam http://www.WestEndWebCam.com username is guest and password is guest http://leibee-scoblewedding.com

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Wedding starts at 4:30PM on Saturday, 12/12/2009 - Alex Scoble

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*SCREAMS* - sofarsoShawn

¡ROCK.AND.ROLL! - Christopher Harley from iPhone

Bump! This is this afternoon, guys! - Rochelle

Congrats Alex! - Shevonne

Congratulations! - Heather Solos

Missed the webcam post earlier -- thanks for the bump. - Brian Sullivan

I'll bump it again later, too. :) - Rochelle

Congrats! Hope y'all have a wonderful day! - Laura wishes you peace.

To-night's the night! - Christopher Harley

Have a good day Alex Scoble - Andrizzle Gizzle

\o/ What time zone? Mountain? - Jason Huebel

Jason, Pacific. - Rochelle

Congrats Alex and Cassandra .. happy moments always - johnpiercy

Congrats! Fantastic! - rowlikeagirl

@Rochelle, I thought Alex was in Utah? That's in Mountain TZ. - Jason Huebel

Beaverton, OR -- says his Twitter profile. - Brian Sullivan

Yeah, he lives in Beaverton, OR. No idea where you got Utah from! - Rochelle

Oh. Huh. Who's in Utah then? *scratches head* - Jason Huebel

I see unwed people. - Micah Wittman

Congrats Alex! - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

CONGRATULATIONS!! - joey

Oh, the venue looks lovely! - joey

A lifetime of happiness to you both. Congratulations! - Steve

WHOOOOOOO!!!! CONGRATULATIONS! I LOVE WEDDINGS - sofarsoShawn

Congrats to the both of you................love and kisses from LI NY - VAL D. Zone

*buys bag of rice to throw at monitor* - Steven Perez

It's too bad this cannot be embedded in a FF page somehow -- we could all watch the activities (and even better than being there) discuss in real time here. I guess though watching in separate window and discussing here is just about as good. - Brian Sullivan

oh man this is exciting! - Lo

Brian, we can discuss in this thread just like how FFundercats is done! - Rochelle

Wow, streaming your wedding.. cool :) - Thomas Bøhm

WE HAVE MOVEMENT - Johnny Worthington

Pretty chairs! - Alix Whitmire

I see the cake! - Rochelle

We need to get Alex to give us a sign - Johnny Worthington

What's it called when a group sends someone to an event, to spy? Not in an enemy way like a true spy, but just to be there and send signals to the outside world. Maybe that's a spy. Or a plant! Is that what it's called? Maybe we should have sent a plant. - Rochelle

A mole? - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

ROFL - Alex Scoble from IM

Congratulations!! - martha

Also, congratulations and have fun this evening! - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Yeah, a mole! That's better. Do we have a mole on the inside?! - Rochelle

Have a great wedding Cassie and Alex. And Alex, get off FF already, you don't wanna be late for this one! ;-) - Rene Wirtz

Now the question is, will Alex pull out his phone and update FriendFeed like that guy in the YouTube video last week pulled out his phone to update his Facebook status during the middle of the wedding? - Rochelle

Yeah, I need to start getting ready in a few minutes...my family is coming to my room at 2:30 and then we do pictures - Alex Scoble from IM

Hey they're putting on table clothes right now... this is really cool! - SAM

Congrats, can't wait to see it. - SAM

Congrats... :) I'm going to bed now :( I thought to watch it. But, damn sleepy now.. Somebody please wake me up! I'm from IST :P - Mohammad Abdurraafay

The chairs are beautiful. - EricaJoy

I can't stay long, but hang in there, A & C! :) - Micah Wittman

so happy for both of you... Congrats! - Harold

The tree looks so pretty! - aden

DID IT START YET? DO I HAVE TIME TO ORDER PIZZA? - Steven Perez

Steven, you have 1 hour, 45 minutes. - Rochelle

SWEET! IMMA GET SOME ICE CREAM, TOO! - Steven Perez

Oh, the lights on the tree came on! - Alix Whitmire

I wish there was sound. - Rochelle

Sound would be nice. Very pretty room. - Laura wishes you peace.

I see people! (Well, sort of. My connection is lousy.) - Laura wishes you peace.

I don't get anything. Maybe it's reached a connection limit? - Jason Huebel

Seems ok from where I am. - Brian Sullivan

working for me too? - holly

I can see, Jason. Maybe you need to reboot? - Laura wishes you peace.

I see no people, only chairs. - EricaJoy from IM

@Laura, no it just won't let me connect. For those who are connected, I'd recommend not closing your browser. - Jason Huebel

Oh, boo, Jason. - Laura wishes you peace.

holy wow! I'm grabbing some popcorn and wine. :) - Call me Bronco

Which side is the groom's side? - Steven Perez from IM

Usually the right, Steven. - Laura wishes you peace.

oh look, someone's here. HI PEOPLE! - Call me Bronco

Hmm, won't work for me. Image returns a not found symbol. Might be because I'm international - Mo Kargas

same here Mo. Not international - Steve

I SEE WEDDING PEOPLE. - Steven Perez from IM

Pretty purple dress! - Laura wishes you peace.

I spy a bridesmaid! - Call me Bronco

not working for me :( - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

Hey there are people! - EricaJoy from IM

rats. maybe people are having browser issues? I'm using Firefox/Mac OSX if that helps. - Call me Bronco

Using XP with Firefox and it's working fine for me. Then again, I've had this browser session open all day. - Steven Perez from IM

Working okie for me on Win7 and Chrome. If it's got too many people maybe I should log off so family can get on? - Alix Whitmire

I've had mine open all day too. Mac/Chromium. - EricaJoy from IM

YAY! - Rochelle

I just logged on 10 minutes ago. I don't think it's an overload issue. - Call me Bronco

Got Vista/Firefox working fine; also have the Modify Headers plug-in forwarding for 12.13.14.15 by default if that helps anyone, in case there's an international thing going on. - Mark H

Haha. We're putting the wedding cam on our huge HDTV with music on in the background. What kind of music should we play? - Rochelle

Al Green - Call me Bronco

Barry White? - Laura wishes you peace.

Al Green, Barry White, and Marvin Gaye. - Call me Bronco

Oohh. I'm nervous! - Rochelle

GET. IT. ON. - Steven Perez from IM

I'm getting a broken video image :o/ - Nurse Katie

It was working for me earlier and not now :( (Firefox/Vista) - Maria Niles

Akiva can't see it with OSX. He tried Chrome, Chromium, and Safari. I can see it fine with Windows 7 and Firefox. - Rochelle

Not working with XP/ Firefox :( - Jimminy Fuller

I'm on Vista with Firefox. I just rebooted and still can't get it to work. :( - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

Ooh! Camera pan! - Mark H

I'm falllling.. *watches cam move* - Alix Whitmire

HEY! WHO'S MOVING THE CAMERA? - Steven Perez from IM

Panning! - Rochelle

screenshot http://friendfeed.com/orchid8... - Call me Bronco

urgh....nothing in FF or IE - Nurse Katie

Cool centerpieces! - Alix Whitmire

Vista/Firefox working here. - Laura wishes you peace.

*feels a little seasick* - Call me Bronco

I tried loading the image manually, I get "The maximum number of clients are already connected " - Bryce Roney

Aww, maxed out then. - Rochelle

oh. :( I feel bad. - Call me Bronco

I was wondering if there was a viewer limit, I'm not seeing it either and I'm just in Vancouver. - Joe Pierce

:o( Bummer - Nurse Katie

Woot Got in, after about 2-3 dozen refreshes, just like old school FF fun. - Jimminy Fuller

I bowed out since we are gaming in a bit, so hopefully other people can get in now. Someone grab me a screen shot of the two of them up there for me later? :D - aden

How appropriate, Jimminy. ;) - Call me Bronco

I spy Robert Scoble. - Call me Bronco

Aden, will do. - Rochelle

Definitely aden. - Call me Bronco

Sarah, where is Robert? - Rochelle

he walked past the stage and out the door on the left. - Call me Bronco

venue is really pretty. - Call me Bronco

So are the colors silver, white, and navy? Or is that purple? - Rochelle

It is Sarah. :) - Jimminy Fuller

dresses seem to be a sort of eggplant/purple. hard to tell on monitor. - Call me Bronco

The dress looked purple earlier. - Laura wishes you peace.

The cake looks delicious. - Jimminy Fuller

The chair ties looked blue when all of the lights were on. - Rochelle

men are all pre-ceremonial. wandering around and looking important and nervous. - Call me Bronco

Showtime! - Steven Perez from IM

Jimminy, it just looks like a white triangle. Haha. - Rochelle

OMG I SAW ROBERT - Rochelle

I think it looks more like a Devo Hat. But white. - Call me Bronco

I love Christmas weddings. And that they're collecting toys for kids, that's so cool. - Call me Bronco

Do the attendees know there's a webcam? - Laura wishes you peace.

We need a webcam with a CSI-style zoom-with-enhancement. - Mark H

I feel like the peanut gallery. It's a good thing they can't hear us. - Call me Bronco

It's 4:30! - Rochelle

photog is taking pictures of the guests. - Call me Bronco

I like how everytime the flash goes off the room gets washed out. - Jimminy Fuller

*blinded* - Alix Whitmire

any wedding worth its salt starts at least a few minutes late. - Call me Bronco

Hahah. Is that Milan? He's the ring bearer. - Rochelle

POTTY BREAK. - Call me Bronco

Weddings never start on time. - Steven Perez from IM

ok the kid is back. - Call me Bronco

I bet it's going to start! Everyone in front left. - Rochelle

Oooh I'm already teary. - joey

I'm at the ready with Skitch for screenshots. :) - Call me Bronco

Thanks :) - aden

IS IT TIME TO START THE ELECTRIC SLIDE YET? - Steven Perez from IM

YES OMG START IT - Call me Bronco

this is sort of like SyFy Saturday night. Only different. - Call me Bronco

I had the same thought, Sarah. :) - Laura wishes you peace.

*passes tissues to Joey* - Alix Whitmire

parents being seated by ushers. - Call me Bronco

Or ushers. ;) - Laura wishes you peace.

I am ready to throw rice at my screen - aden

LOL. You caught it, Sarah. - Laura wishes you peace.

No Sound ???? - johnpiercy

I only have cooked rice. - Laura wishes you peace.

LOL. - Call me Bronco

THIS IS TEH BESTEST SYFY SATURDAY NIGHT MOVIE EVAH! - Steven Perez from IM

Seasick! - Laura wishes you peace.

IT'S PANNING! - Rochelle

oh camera pans down. i think we're going to follow the bride in? - Call me Bronco

IT EVEN HAS BETTER SFX! - Steven Perez from IM

TO THE DOOR! - Rochelle

Sarah, yup. - Rochelle

This play by play rocks - aden

or not? panning back. - Call me Bronco

how come no sound - johnpiercy

because. no sound. it's not mic'd. - Call me Bronco

DO ANYBODY NO WHY DIS MOVIE IS SILENT? - Steven Perez from IM

HEADS TURNING. - Call me Bronco

I see legs up front. - Laura wishes you peace.

bridesmaids coming up the aisle, meeting the men. - Call me Bronco

HEADS UP! - Steven Perez from IM

Beautiful! - joey

YAY! - Rochelle

This is exciting! - Laura wishes you peace.

here he comes - johnpiercy

cute! - EricaJoy

Colors people tell me the colors! - aden

I've never watched a wedding from my sofa in jeans. - Laura wishes you peace.

Awwwwwwwwwwww - Alix Whitmire

STOP MOVING THE DAMN CAMERA! - Steven Perez from IM

Weird camera pan... - EricaJoy

!!!!!!!!! - Rochelle

The panning is annoying. We'd better get to see Cassie! - Laura wishes you peace.

I need some Organ music - johnpiercy

Yay! - Laura wishes you peace.

OH, SNAP! - Steven Perez from IM

GORGEOUS!!! - EricaJoy

here comes the bride - Call me Bronco

Aww gorgeous bride! - joey

sorry hard to comment and screenshot simultaneously - Call me Bronco

CRYING - Rochelle

waaah, i can't see the venue on my screen. keep your comments coming! - a creature was stirring

is that purple or navy blue? - EricaJoy

LOVE the long train on the dress. - EricaJoy

looking good alex and cassie - johnpiercy

I vote purple. - Alix Whitmire

Dude, she's too pretty for Alex. - Steven Perez from IM

I thought it was purple, but the lighting is kind of weird. - Laura wishes you peace.

We need to zoom back up to the front. - Laura wishes you peace.

OK, now comes the boring part. SKIP TO THE END! - Steven Perez from IM

we need the Priest Camera - johnpiercy

MAWWAGE. - Steven Perez from IM

lol - EricaJoy

about to post some shots, see my feed in a sec for those. - Call me Bronco

THAT DWEEM WITHIN A DWEEM ... - Steven Perez from IM

moar zoom! - EricaJoy

I zoomed in with my browser! - Rochelle

Real nice setup Alex and Cassie have here. Bridesmaids are in purple. Groomsmen are in black. Except for Robert - he's wearing Twitter blue. [/just kidding] - Steven Perez from IM

awww this is so sweet. I'm so happy for them. - Call me Bronco

LOL, Steven! - Laura wishes you peace.

And they get to escape all the Christmas drama and spend the holiday in Jamaica. Lucky bastards! - Call me Bronco

Heh. - Laura wishes you peace.

yeah i want that zoom back. why did they zoom in and out so fast? - Call me Bronco

the camera operator needs to be on friendfeed - EricaJoy

lol - Call me Bronco

blah blah blah love between a man and a woman blah blah blah - Call me Bronco

Attention to the next couple to get married live on FriendFeed: Qik or Ustream please. Or 12seconds if you're keeping it brief. - Mark H

HAH 12second wedding. - Call me Bronco

oh zoom! - Call me Bronco

ZOOM! - Rochelle

OY! Enough with the zooming! - Steven Perez from IM

Yay zoom!!! - Alix Whitmire

OMG - EricaJoy

VOWS! - Rochelle

facing each other. definitely vow time. - Call me Bronco

VOWS! - Steven Perez from IM

The vid won;t play!! - WorldofHiglet

blessing of rings, i think - Call me Bronco

WoH it's at capacity for viewers, I think - Call me Bronco

RINGS! ONE RING TO TWEET THEM ALL! - Steven Perez from IM

did he kiss her yet? - WorldofHiglet

nope we're not there yet - Call me Bronco

screen cap the kiss!! :) you know when it happens - aden

i will - Call me Bronco

Call Me Bronco - THANKS fr the Live Play by Play - johnpiercy

MUCHAS SMOOCHES! - Steven Perez from IM

:) happy to do it - Call me Bronco

awwww :) - WorldofHiglet

alex and cassie turning to face the celebrant as he says some words - Call me Bronco

first time Ive seen a wedding streamed .. - johnpiercy

MUCHAS SMOOCHES FTW!!!!! - Steven Perez from IM

XOXOX's - johnpiercy

W00T! ALEX AND CASSIE SCOBLE! - Steven Perez from IM

omg i think they HUGGED - Call me Bronco

and now they're walking out - Call me Bronco

Mr and Mrs Scoble - johnpiercy

i think i missed the exact moment. lol. - Call me Bronco

Lovely. - Mark H

*throws rice at screen, drops pants* - Steven Perez from IM

Huzzah! - aden

YAYAYAY! - Rochelle

Now Dancing with Lampshades ? - johnpiercy

Whoo-hoo! - Laura wishes you peace.

TIME TO GET DRUNK AND PAR-TAY! - Steven Perez from IM

*drops pants, too, even though I couldn't get to the video* - ha3rvey (Ho)^3

Bird Dance - johnpiercy

Oh wow! - WorldofHiglet

Now we need a party/reception cam. - Laura wishes you peace.

Laura, I think the reception is in the same room so we'll be able to see that, too. - Rochelle

Congratulations Mr and Mrs Scoble! - WorldofHiglet

that was a quick service - johnpiercy

yay! that was sweet. ok time to make dinner now, then back to check out the reception. here come the CATERING ROUNDS. - Call me Bronco

purple tablecloths, natch. - Call me Bronco

BREAK FOR POTTY, THEN IT'S TIME TO EAT AND THEN GET FUNKY! - Steven Perez from IM

Nice quick service; we approve. Purple bridesmaids; Mrs we approves. Nobody fainted; well, you can't have everything. - Mark H

Awesome! - Laura wishes you peace.

Damn I missed it -- they are setting up now for the dinner? - Brian Sullivan

Yep. - Laura wishes you peace.

So, there must be a bar area for guests, and then photos are being taken? - Cristo

For some reason I thought they did pix earlier. Did Alex post something about that? - Laura wishes you peace.

Sometimes they do family shots before, and then do more photos between ceremony and reception. - Cristo

Alex said earlier that they were doing photos before. - Rochelle

Candlelight. :) - Alix Whitmire

:) :) :) - Steven Perez from IM

Cool - Rodfather

I am waving at you! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

The wedding was awesome. Milan almost choked at the beginning though. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Yeah we saw that Robert. Too funny. - Call me Bronco

Reception looks like fun. Tell Alex and Cassie we love the hell out of them. - Call me Bronco

He knows that, loves you back. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

How geeky is this wedding? Three Droids and counting! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

YES! I have a connection! - Mo Kargas

Too late :( - Mo Kargas

Just saw their first dance! Awwww! - Mark H

Yeah, very nice first dance! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Can you hear too? I wish you could cause I am gonna do a toast. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Nope. :( - Alix Whitmire

No sound unfortunately - Mo Kargas

Congratulations! Looks like a great day! - Jim: Dead Like FF

Best wishes for the Scoble family. Thanks for sharing with all of us! - mrsha

Mingle mingle mingle. - SAM

Best wishes to the Scoble family ,MAZAL TOV - Johni Fisher

Congratulations! Best wishes! - Anne Bouey

That was so cool :) - Lo

That was so awesome. I read every word since I missed the streaming... :-) Congrats, Alex & Cassie!!!! - Lisa L. Seifert

Congrats to you both! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

A long and happy life to you both. Many blessings. - Dawn

Congrats and Mazel Tov Alex. Best wishes for you both !!! - Nir Ben Yona

Bindu Reddy

One thing I really admire about Facebook is that they are not afraid to be aggressive and act boldly. They constantly make big changes to their product that they believe are good for their product but produce mixed reactions from the press etc.

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Screw the press. The wholly negative reactions from users, they should consider thinking about. - Admiral Anika

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People generally hate change, which is one reason that popular products tend to stagnate. - Paul Buchheit

The tech press online isn't really worth listening to really. Users are like sheep as well, they'll eventually have to deal with it. Facebook has made mostly good changes to their product, although I do wish their privacy features were better - Itachi

It's kind of like America. When you're that big you get away with anything. - Eivind

Paul, people do generally hate change, but users just want the basic stuff to work and make sense. Whether it's Facebook, Twitter or Friendfeed, it's usually the big changes that make users grumble because all the little things that people actually use and need fixed are ignored. - Admiral Anika

The press does not matter - what the users think matters. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Anika, if I take away a feature that 1% of people like but that needlessly complicates the product for 99% of people, I will only hear from the 1%. - Paul Buchheit

Take Facebook's Live Feed vs. New Feed. That's such a joke. It makes NO sense and naturally doesn't do as promised. We snark on that "feature" all the time. Big change, but completely useless. Meanwhile, we still have 2 different links to access our profiles on our pages and it's annoying because it's stupid and everyone wants it gone. - Admiral Anika

Agree the press does not matter... but most big companies think that press and image matters a lot. They than got caught up in not doing anything bold because they are afraid of someone or the other saying something about them. - Bindu Reddy

I suspect the changes in the interface cause people to drop out, either closing their accounts or just not using them anymore, especially people who don't use their accounts a great deal anyway. If you had to figure out where to put your car key in your car all the time you'd probably drive less. If you had to hunt around for you light switches all the time you'd likely spend more time... more... - SuezanneC Baskerville

SuezanneC I bet FB watches it's user stats like a hawk and does a lot of "experiments". Their usage seems to be going up not down. - Bindu Reddy

Overall usage going up doesn't mean people who don't like frequent interface changes aren't leaving or reducing their usage. A larger number of users may be great for facebook, but it doesn't do anything for those who quit it because they get tired of UI changes, policy changes, etc. every month. I've read reports of declining use by older folks, which I suspect might have some connection to frequent changes in the UI. - SuezanneC Baskerville

It's a net win for Facebook either way, because more people stay and are joining than are leaving. - Itachi

Suzanne, makes a great point. I have 102 friends on FB. Only about 24 of them are active, with about 6 more just feeding in their Twitter and blog streams. The other people who dropped it, all said it was because it was confusing to use, stupid to use, or annoying to use. They haven't deleted their accounts, but they only come back to post that they think Facebook is stupid. - Admiral Anika

There was an increase in the number of users when they stopped being a college person's club. Did that make it better? Or just bigger? I don't find the interface changes have made it any more fun for me to use. Of course, it's hard to judge; when I started it was fun partly because it was new to me; now it's old hat; the interface changes don't make people's posts any funnier or more interesting, and I got tired of playing the games. - SuezanneC Baskerville

Anika, compared to FB how many of your FF or Twitter friends are active. I find that many more ppl in my network are active on FB than on FF or twitter.... Your last comment about coming back to post that FB is stupid is pretty funny :))) - Bindu Reddy

I can't really gauge on FF because I can't remember who I'm following and I block people with abandon. On Twitter, it's easy (we were just talking about this the other day). Out of my 400 subscribers, 321 of them are active. The ones that are inactive are mostly companies, with only 17 people being inactive. As far as actual conversation goes on Twitter, it looks like there's about 150... more... - Admiral Anika

Disgruntled users are entitled to publicly slam Facebook over all their lost privacy options. - Tim Tyler

Kevin Fox

This is the funniest thing I've seen all day - http://www.facebook.com/pages...

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And they *did* change their web site! Check out the video! "Tired of someplace where everyone already is? I want My{own}Space!" http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Kevin Fox

let's make it even more funnier http://www.facebook.com/photo... - Eren Emre Kanal

Is the $100 million acquisition today considered a good exit? (good enough?) - Hayes Haugen

DeWitt Clinton

I made a new Twitter tool: http://dropital.com/. The basic idea... - http://alexbosworth.net/post...

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Clever. - DeWitt Clinton

Minimalism ftw. Nicely done. - Itachi

Sweet. I like the exclusivity. (e.g. files only downloadable by the sharer's followers) - Meryn Stol

Richard

DEMO Trend: The Smarter Web (Part 2) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...

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Thanks a lot for that. It's really interesting to see these things developing and how they affect the marketplace. - Andy from FriendFeed MT Plugin

Chris Messina

Superfeedr real-time method stats: 73% polling, 26% PubSubHubHub, 1% RSSCloud, 0% SUP: http://blog.superfeedr.com/Real-ti... /via @arjunram

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poor RSSCloud, its almost a rounding error - Mark

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Dave's response http://blog.rsscloud.org/post... (he claims they made the numbers up) - Mark

Knowing Julien, he didn't make these numbers up. - David Recordon

The numbers obviously depend on what feeds you're consuming. For example, SUP is enabled on YouTube and Reddit, which are a significant fraction of the feeds on on FriendFeed, but are presumably less common on superfeedr. - Paul Buchheit

Paul's comment is totally right. I think all this proves that we need to improve our 'communication' around these numbers and how they have been calculated. I will emphasize more on that in the future. - Julien

And if someone were pulling a lot of WordPress.com feeds then they'd be using RSSCloud (unless of course they were using Superfeedr's PSHB proxy: http://wordpress.superfeedr.com/). - David Recordon

In a that case, we'd be using RSSCloud to poll... As we actually do for the few wp feeds that we have. - Julien

Unfortunately PSHB is using Feedeburner numbers and Feedburner enabled PSHB feeds are NOT realtime (for the most part), because of the latency from blog to Feedburner updating. No one cares about the technology, just whether it's realtime or not. And a vast majority of that 26% are not realtime, I'd say. - Matt Terenzio

I'd also like to see some other aggregators (like Gnip) publish their numbers. Uncorroborated and without volume, it's hard to judge these, even if they are accurate. - Chris Messina

What matters is how much faster the web is. Not which protcol is a rounding error. Paul and Matt, thanks for bringing this back to reality. And btw, there are millions of sites that achieve their realtime-ness through rssCloud. As Matt says, the Feedburner feeds have a delay built into them that the rssCloud ones don't have. So it's a good question whether or not the really are realtime. The whole point is updating quickly, and they could take as much as 1/2 hour to update. - Dave Winer

Dave: Generally as long as the web is getting faster and more responsive, I don't care what protocols are used to do it. I worry, however, that if RSSCloud and PubSubHubBub were reversed in Julien's chart, that you wouldn't be discounting his findings. If so, that seems intellectually dishonest to me. Are you more upset about what Julien's numbers show or about his data collection method? - Chris Messina

Here's what I wrote about this for the community in October. "I see adoption of PubSubHubBub as a win for the Internet, and believe strongly their advocates should see adoption of rssCloud the same way. If they feel pressure from rssCloud, it should result in them more fully embracing RSS, which I felt they weren't doing when I first reviewed their efforts. Once that happens the... more... - Dave Winer

Julien, perhaps if you're publishing data like this in the future, you might want to drop the step where you "try to determine what is the best way to get [a feed's] content" and simply publish the raw stats. That is, looking at the feeds you're dealing with, which ones support which protocols? Some might support more than one, and you could illustrate that in some sort of (non-pie) chart. It seems like determining the "best" way is what opens you up to accusations of bias, etc. - Ken Sheppardson

The raw numbers do have value, IMHO, simply because as a developer I have to make choices about which protocol(s) to support. It's nice to have adoption data to feed the decision process. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, if it would help you, let's get the adoption data. Start from the other end, what numbers do you want? Let's see if we can get them. - Dave Winer

Hopefully not data like this: http://friendfeed.com/kshep... - Dave Winer

Heh. Yeah, that's the chart I was imagining when I wrote "(non-pie) chart" above. :-) What numbers do I want? Well, I've seen the announcement-based stats, e.g. "Service X has now enabled Protocol Y on N feeds" and while I suppose those have value from a marketing standpoint, I don't think it translates directly into real, meaningful usage. The fact that some blog somebody started on some blog hosting service in 2005 that only had one post is now "real time" enabled doesn't really mean anything to me... - Ken Sheppardson

... Looking at something like Superfeedr considers a sample of feeds that people really want to follow in real time. That is, the fact that someone has said "Please tell me when Feed X updates as soon as possible" is important to me. Given a sample like that, I'd like to know which feeds support which protocols. - Ken Sheppardson

Right on. I think the fact that CNN, GigaOm and TechCrunch have realtime feeds is important (they do). And with all possible humility I think it matters that Scripting News does as well. (They all support rssCloud, btw.) I'd like to know if Chris Messina's blog is realtime. I don't care how it got to be realtime, btw. And I'd like to see FF support all the popular protocols. These things will all help boost adoption adn that's what I want to see. - Dave Winer

I hope it is! I installed the PubSubHubBub WordPress plugin (since I self-host) and seems to be working! - Chris Messina

Good for you. - Dave Winer

Again, I think the main point of the blog post was : real-time feeds (in general) are gaining traction. I will publish more details on how we measure the (raw) numbers in our December status. - Julien

DeWitt Clinton

Question: How much name calling / personal slurs should be tolerated on an open development mailing list? Any? None? It depends?

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A real world question that is being debated right now on one of the lists I follow. It's apparently not a simple answer. What are your thoughts? - DeWitt Clinton

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The AtomPub mailing list became substantially more productive once the name calling and personal slurs were no longer tolerated. The only people that would argue against such a thing aren't there to contribute constructively. - Joe Gregorio

@Joe - totally. And it worked out in the end for AtomPub, even though I know it was a frustrating experience at the time, and actually did cost something to get there as well. My feeling is that no amount of outright personal attacks or slurs should be tolerated. I'm actually a little surprised to hear people making an argument the other way. (But the internet is a big place, nothing should surprise me.) - DeWitt Clinton

None. In our experience (on the GWT lists), the best approach has been to gently ask people to keep things professional when they get out of line. This works 90% of the time, and helps remind people of the tone we want to maintain (particularly helpful for those who might be turned off by the assholes in question). When someone falls into the other 10%, you can remind them more sternly. We've only had to moderate one person that I can recall, and he eventually shaped up. - Joel Webber

None. - Admiral Anika

Though I'd love to say there should be no tolerance, I think there are some who are so unthinkingly disagreeable they push otherwise reasonable people over the edge. - DGentry

I'd say at most one. Realistically, people who poison open source discussions are likely to be a recurrent disruptor if they continue despite being warned as it shows a lack of self-reflection or appreciation for others. Slurs I'd say zero. Any attack on the messenger other than outright slur, I'd allow once with warning. Slur example: "You're a godamned liar." Attacking the messenger "your proposal would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that you're a Microsoft employee" - Ray Cromwell

It's vital to maintain an atmosphere of civility otherwise you end up with things like the BileBlog: http://www.bileblog.org/ or http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/ whose authors defended by otherwise reasonable people on the grounds that they're actually quite nice people in person and are only offensive when they're behind a keyboard. When difficult and emotive decisions need to be... more... - Adewale Oshineye

None, but be careful how you define 'zero tolerance'. If a first offense gets you banned from the list with no warning, you've gone too far. - Michael R. Bernstein

Being ruled by net nannies and overly sensitive people also is not the route to successful wide spread collaboration. Who manages what defines name calling and personal slurs and what happens when this line is crossed? Trying to work with a whole bunch of passive aggressives can sometimes be worse than a situation where occasionally emotion overcomes reason. - Brian Sullivan

@Brian: Completely agreed. The idea of "zero tolerance" (which I didn't mean to imply by "none", but probably did) can be equally dangerous, especially if you end up with a bunch of easily offended, self-appointed vigilantes trying to police everyone. I think just having a few people who've been around for a while (our own team, in our case) gently ask people to be reasonable and professional when they clearly get out of line is sufficient. - Joel Webber

I am always more willing to comment at a site where there is a message requesting civility posted. I like NPG's message -- something like "be as argumentative as you like, but keep it civil". - Mickey Schafer

Bindu Reddy

I am beginning to finally get it... If you post on Friendfeed you get comments... If you post on Twitter, you get followers. If you are marketing something (e.g. your blog/brand, your product/service) getting followers is much better than getting comments.

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And if you are not wanting to get marketed to? - Cristo

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You need to than unfollow those users...:)) Twitter is a lot more about broadcasting and getting followers is like a drug.. the more you broadcast the more followers you get :) - Bindu Reddy

Are you getting high right now? :) - Cristo

Getting followers doesn't really mean anything: 390 of the 400 followers I have on Twitter never act or do anything with what I say on it. Getting them to convert is the meaningful part of the marketing proposition, and conversations, I've found, are far more effective at that. - Mark Trapp

Mark is right. - Robert Scoble

So, what's the FAQ for interaction on Twitter? I had a post that got 100+ comments the other day here on Friendfeed but no response on Twitter. I must be doing something wrong over there. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

twitter seems to be great for people who are lazy and not really savvy about marketing. it's sort of like shouting into the void, and you might get a few people to respond, but do you really get people to act? - Bren -- feeling merry

@Mark, I agree with you.. However to a lot of people having a follower number like 10K/20K, which seems like a relatively easily thing to do on Twitter, is not only just a high but it is also a good way to keep in touch with your audience without spending too much time... Here keeping in touch with your audience is way more time consuming - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, but keeping in touch doesn't mean anything if they're not listening. You can have a million followers, but if you're not getting any of them to act on what you're saying, it doesn't mean much. Getting conversations going with people, who may or may not be followers, which Twitter is pretty bad at, are more effective at getting people to convert. I just had a relatively popular... more... - Mark Trapp

Bindu, I'm following you (FF) and I just commented too :) - Micah Wittman

@Mark, Curious how did you get them to go to your website? - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, if I knew that I'd have it made. Near as I can tell, people were doing Twitter and Google searches for "twitter list," and then started retweeting it and sharing it from there. - Mark Trapp

Following is such a low-risk endeavor that people don't put thought into it: they'll follow anyone and everyone. You even have people thinking it's common decency to automatically follow people if they follow you without even thinking about if their content is interesting. Following is the 21st century equivalent of receiving a phone book or the yellow pages: you do it just in case you need to contact or get ahold of someone in the future, but nobody ever realistically does. - Mark Trapp

Yep, it's like collecting business cards that get neatly filed into a big binder. It's about the self-satisfaction of the collection - you feel more connected / networked / important and avoid doing the hard work of cold calling or meeting with people and building something or whatever. - Micah Wittman

I agree with following being a low-risk effort... However I have also heard of ppl gaining value from Twitter without much effort. Take for example this coffeshop I am a big fan of - sightglass coffee. They get a lot of customers from Twitter. It takes them relatively little time to tweet and they get customers. It would be very hard to achieve the same on FF. - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, I get lots of conversation on Twitter, too. One of the reasons I am there more than here is because people with common interest in my political obsessions are there, but not here. - Karoli

Karoli - Yes, the Twitterverse is way more diverse than the FFverse. Curious do you get more comments/conversations per post on Twitter as compared to FF or is it that you you post more stuff because time spent per post is lower on Twitter - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, I get very little response to political conversations/comments on FF - a couple of folks follow here but a very small percentage compared to twitter. I tried to pull people over here, but they didn't understand why they should leave tweetdeck and their twitter setup for new territory. - Karoli

Geeks (+ early adopters, influential folks, the elite ...) are on FriendFeed and the proletariat on Twitter? Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat? Calls for action work best when the audience actually cares, so prolly that's all about choosing the right medium for the targeted punters? - Sebastian

Sebastian... yes agree the geeks and tech bloggers are on FF... However if you are marketing say a fashion or beauty blog. You won't get much interest here. twitter is the place for you :) - Bindu Reddy

I disagree with that statement, Bindu. There's a LOT of non-tech getting traction on FriendFeed. So much so that it's the number one reason Scoble no longer enjoys being here: he says he doesn't see enough tech for his liking. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Just butting in here to mention that there are tons of uses for both twitter and friendfeed that have nothing whatsoever to do with marketing. In fact, once could make the argument that social networks such as these were designed to get away from marketing. Unlike radio, TV, or even a web search, you choose who you'll be receiving information from. If you're looking to exchange... more... - Mr. Gunn

Marketing, schmarketing. - Christopher A Carr

Bindu, what I'm sick of is marketers broadcasting their sales pitches to all social media outlets out there, regardless whether the audience might fit or not. Anyways, i'ts possible to attract a few somewhat intelligent responses to geeky topics at Twitter, at least when xmas and independence day share the same date. Most probably I wouldn't try to sell wonder bras at FF, though. - Sebastian

@Tina ... umm I have not been an avid user of FF lately so maybe it has become pretty diverse. Are you saying there are a lot of people on here with specific interests such as politics, beauty etc? - Bindu Reddy

Sebastian - LOL.. agree :) - Bindu Reddy

Bindu: Ning is a better place to go if you have very specific topics you want to talk about. They are growing a FriendFeed every 12 days (they are getting a million new users that often and have just passed 38 million registered). FriendFeed is fun if you aren't sure what you want to chat about and you're cool with seeing lots of family pictures and goofy stuff. Tina is right that the hard-core geeks are mostly on Twitter or Facebook now, I keep watching here, though. - Robert Scoble

Karoli I get all kinds of action here on political topics. I have more followers on Twitter but rarely get a response there. Here I got 80+ comments yesterday. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod

MVB, Karoli is a prolific voice on twitter. Twitter seems quite effective for political advocacy/activism even though longer form convos have to break out somewhere else. Also, just like friendfeed, volume / steady presence can make all the difference. Your tweet count is ~2K; Karoli's over 63K. - Micah Wittman

My presence here is similar to Kaoli's on Twitter, then. So, presence is a mitigating factor. But, Micah, as you so deftly point out, for a long conversation there needs to be a move to another venue. That's where here works better, since it can stay right here. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod

We agree, and can agreed at length right here, folks :) - Micah Wittman

So link your twitter to your friendfeed. Get followers and comments. The best of both worlds. - Hareesh Nagarajan

Does it make any difference here whether the original post was to Twitter and reposted here automatically or the original post was directly here? In other words, does the FF community prefer to comment on direct posts rather than Twitter reposts? - Jimmy Walker

Jimmy: it honestly depends on who you interact with on FriendFeed. There are people who get irate about people only posting to Twitter and openly advocate using FriendFeed directly, and yet, there are interesting people who always get a conversation going around their tweets. One thing that sometimes helps is coming back to FriendFeed and elaborating on your tweet, or to do more than... more... - Mark Trapp

Mark, that sounds like good advice. Thanks. - Jimmy Walker

B.Reddy is right.I complately agree with her.A good view,and a good advice for us.Thank you Bindu... - Dedegi

Following only happens after several good comments. Consistency is the key. - Jeremy (on vacation)

Jeremy, I am not sure... Someone body or the other seems to come and follow you based on pretty much anything you twitter. Of course most of these ppl prob. do that expecting a follow back? - Bindu Reddy

Bindu: I meant on FF. Twitter...they're pretty loose. - Jeremy (on vacation)

I don't get followers from posting on Twitter; the only people who see what I post there are my followers. - Mistletoe Glen

I post both places and get almost nothing... so where's your hypothesis now, huh!? ;-)) - Jim: Dead Like FF

Post more pics of Johnny in a dress. - Jeremy (on vacation)

If I was marketing something, I would do both... - Johnny Worthington

Bindu: As you had said earlier, most of the followers at twitter don't read what you are tweeting. So it is actually better to get comments as you know those who comment read whatever you post. - Amit

Amit, I completely agree with you about the comments and how no one reads your tweets. As an example I posted a tweet about "anchors" On FF there are 7 likes and 14 comments.. None on twitter. However at the end of the day for every 20 new followers I get 1-2 new friends. On FF much less of that happens. So from a marketing point of view Twitter is better. - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, how many people are subbed to you on FF and on Twitter? What are the total number of subs to each? What is the ratio of your subs to the total subs of each? I bet a crisp dollar bill that you are subbed to a higher percentage of subs on FF than on Twitter. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from fftogo

MVB interesting point of subs. # of subs on Twitter and FF are about the same but the quality of subs is much better on FF. As far as ration goes... yes FF is much better than Twitter and that does have an impact. However I am going to contend that even for people who have many more subs on Twitter (e.g. scoble?) there is much more engagement on FF than twitter. he probably adds more followers though on twitter - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, exactly. Unlike you, I, and most others, are not here to market a product or service so we see a different function of Social Media. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod

Social Media 101: It's a two-way street - relationships are formed via interactions, not uni-directional broadcast. :) - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

This, btw, is true for all forms of marketing / business function - consider a customer support hotline that never get answered by anyone but just sits there as a 1-800 number. - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

I'd like to think getting sales is even better than followers, come to think of it, getting leads are better than followers too. Followers are overrated. - Justin Hitt

@Justin... completely agree.. - Bindu Reddy

Paul Buchheit

Open as in water, the fluid necessary for life - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009...

November 20 from Paul Buchheit - Comment - Like - Share

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When is Facebook going to give people open access to the address book? :) - Bindu Reddy

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They already do. My DROID syncs with my Facebook and Google contacts, converging them both for the same contact on either network. Don't ask me how that's done though - LANjackal

You mean your DRIOD can get to the email addresses of your facebook contacts? - Bindu Reddy

Yep, as well as any numbers, addresses or work positions they have listed on FB - LANjackal from IM

There's a reason contact management on the DROID has been praised as the best implementation thereof in the smartphone arena, if not anywhere period - LANjackal from IM

""Open" is a great thing. Everyone likes it." Maybe everyone you know ;) - Clare Dibble

a friend of mine has a bb storm and it integrates w/ facebook (when i call him, my facebook avatar shows up... etc etc) -- the Droid being able to combine contact lists and merge them when applicable sounds like the next step - Chris Heath

It's still not open. That data is locked into the built in contacts app and you can't get it at an api level. Android 2.0 has a complete (well, half-baked) contact model that allows aggregating contact info. Not to mention that when I entered my contact info into facebook that I understood it was going to be shared that way. But from an end-user standpoint it's great! - Hayes Haugen

@LANJackal that sounds great... I guess my information is dated than.. - Bindu Reddy

Very great post. One of the best. This share remember me with two other great peoples described by Katie Hafner is his book (Where the wizards stay up late): Vint Cerf (you known what i mean) and Dave Clark (by his famous quote : "we reject kings presidents and voting. we believe in rough consensus and running code.") With an "open" mind like yours, they make with days, months, years, a very great open life fluid. I'm very happy to follow you. As Louis Gray says : Please keep blogging. Thank you. - Guy Vander Heyden

Just like with any other activity, the intention behind being open is very important. If somebody wants to manipulate or mislead, then it can be dangerous to follow them. We just have to be aware of extremes. That said, I have learnt a lot from following you and thanks for sharing your ideas so eloquently. - Shakeel Mahate

Hey, thanks for the mention - I'm glad you're enjoying Alfie Kohn's book. He makes me think. - Laura Norvig

Thanks Laura. I've actually "outsourced" the reading to April, but she tells me about it :) - Paul Buchheit

Heh, see this is the type of efficiency mindset you've developed by running a startup. - Laura Norvig

No, I've always been lazy :) - Paul Buchheit

lazy like fox! ;) - Susan Beebe

Louis Gray

Keep A Close Eye on Chris Messina for the Web's Future - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...

November 28 from louisgray.com - Comment - Like - Share

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It's sad but I think Google is helping facilitate the death of the URL using site hierarchy search results. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... - Andrew Smith

Innovators always come before early adopters - many of those you list are the innovators whose technology early adopters will be trying later on. - Jesse Stay

BTW, 2 names I would add to your list: Craig Burton and Phil Windley - Jesse Stay

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

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So, what are we talking about on the Gang today? - Kevin Marks

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@KevinMarks, I have something AS related that I'd like to show you next week. I think you'll appreciate it. Cliqset-related. - Darren

would definitely like to see AS/Webfinger/GProfiles/OpenID being discussed. - Jamie

I'm available for the Skype call. - Robert Scoble

Be sure to discuss Information cards if you discuss OpenID - Jesse Stay

What time is it? :) - Rob La Gesse

Rob: sorry for running a little late. We'll be starting shortly. Steve, I'm on Skype now. - Robert Scoble

4:30 - Jesse Stay

1 more minute... - Robert Scoble

Too late? Nah, nah - it's just earlay, earlay... - Jesse Stay

glad to see i'm not late. :) - Karoli

love that 27 in imac Robert - courtney benson

Mike Arrington is a state now? - Jesse Stay

the 51st state, Jesse :) - Roberto Bonini

My quad-core 27" iMac left China today! Can't wait - it arrives before Jason's baby ;) - Rob La Gesse

If ChromeOS was out today, I would have bought a machine with it, rather than a MacBook for my family. - Matt Mastracci

Ha. - Darren

google knoll is now a big part of profiles and now with openid/webfinger google profile is a big item - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Vizard, Scoble, Marks & Calacanis on the Gillmor Gang: Live Now at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Looking forward to buying the Droid this weekend - courtney benson

It won't hit it for everyone until they have a decent online graphics and financial solution - Jesse Stay

knol uses google profiles, just as other google apps do - profiles are a service for google apps - Kevin Marks

They also need to come up with a way to integrate with client-side ID (information cards, selectors, etc) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I see you saw the light at the Kynetx conf... (from cookies to selectors) - Cliff Gerrish

I think the launch Chrome netbooks will be free - Jamie

Cliff, my eyes have seriously been opened - I am a new man now. I see a whole new future from that conference - Jesse Stay

Although I'm still trying to understand it all. It's all still in progress as we speak. - Jesse Stay

What I think we need is <input type="openid"> for HTML5 so browsers can do clientside ID - Kevin Marks

Kevin, that would be awesome - Jesse Stay

how long ago did it start? - Christopher Harris

<input type="openid"> is the only way OpenID will succeed. It's not usable in its current state right now. - Matt Mastracci

I don't want clientside, I want personal-cloud-side - Kurtiss Hare

Matt, agreed - Jesse Stay

Kurtiss, you need a combination of both - see http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

What people are wedded to is the development IDE - Nobody else has built anything near as compelling as Microsoft's IDE - Rob La Gesse

Jesse: that's not "personal" cloud, at least the way I think about it. - Kurtiss Hare

html5 on the iphone is because of webkit - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

that was WPF - Jamie

the seesmic for windows uses WPF - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kurtiss what is "personal" cloud? - Jesse Stay

I still haven't installed Silverlight/WPF on any of my machines and I haven't missed any content on the web. - Matt Mastracci

WPF and Silverlight are converging as front-ends... - Cliff Gerrish

I love the Netflix watch instantly -- it's silverlight... - Cliff Gerrish

silverlight is still a subset of wpf - Jamie

though the lines are blurring - Jamie

It's a cloud that you own, that exposes "local services" like storage, identity selector config, computation, etc. to services you don't own - Kurtiss Hare

Does this silverlight porting path just translate video, or the whole framework? If it's just video, it sounds like a WMV->MP4 codec. - Matt Mastracci

I don't think stream of audio or video via silverlight to a webkit browser counts as a dev platform for iphone - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

has anyone got documentation on sliverlight video playback on iPhone? I didn't see that demo - Kevin Marks

Sharepoint 2010 supports silverlight - Jamie

+1 bear. - Matt Mastracci

Kurtiss - where do you own it? On Amazon? Who hosts that data? If someone else is hosting it do you really own it? The client is the best place for the user to own their data. That can be supported by a cloud service, but your client needs to control it. - Jesse Stay

Kevin http://www.iis.net/iphone - Jamie

Jesse: that part's up to you, it can run from your house if you're into that. otherwise it can run from your amazon or rackspace account, whatever. - Kurtiss Hare

kevin: http://tech.yahoo.com/news... - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kurtiss, the average user is never going to be able to do that. It has to be something native in the browser or the operating system for the user to get it. - Jesse Stay

@Kurtiss - your Rackspace account :) Please me more ;) - Rob La Gesse

lol - Kurtiss Hare

Also, a cloud-based service can't provide near the context a desktop client can - Jesse Stay

Internal enterprise apps are never a predictor of platforms that'll survive. I could list dozens of dead Microsoft products that were "hot" for a while until they were abandoned. - Matt Mastracci

Jesse, for now, but when the broadband explosion comes.... - Stephen Pickering

Office for Web is .Net right? - Paul Shadwell

Stephen, even then you're never going to have full control so long as you rely on the cloud for full context. See my article above. - Jesse Stay

"turns out, microsoft developed the killer app for chrome os" - office web apps - Jamie

enterprise == large user count behind a firewall with a private network - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse: What's the difference between the way that Windows/Mac OS X exposes my local services and the way a "personal cloud"-based OS could? It's Chrome OS' destiny ;) - Kurtiss Hare

I've just finished installing SharePoint 2010 and now installing the Office Web Apps so I'll let you know shortly. - Paul Shadwell

Robert, make sure you get that enterprise lecture from Steve before going on about Chatter - Ross Mayfield

if chrome os enables a personal VPN experience that I can then allow individuals to "peek into" that would be a huge win - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kurtiss, a personal cloud is never going to know what you're doing on Barnes and Noble vs. Borders.com at the same time. Please read my article above. - Jesse Stay

Paul: NO. Office for Web is ALL JavaScript. - Robert Scoble

"very loyal to office" == it's a huge pain and cost to translate all those proprietary docs to something else - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse, cloud based services can bring context using social web - bring context in form you contacts and activities - Kevin Marks

Kevin, only to an extent. You still need the client to control that process. - Jesse Stay

Kevin, Jesse's talking Action Cards. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert Office Web has Silverlight "extras" - Jamie

better fidelity, smoother zooming etc - Jamie

Kevin, I saw the demo but haven't the docs for it. Just passes the video off directly to the vid player on iPhone. Here is the demo URL http://www.iis.net/iphone - Jerry Schuman

Robert: Do you think they did that for increased cross browser support? - Paul Shadwell

many companies are just scared to move to the web It seems an insecure place to them and they take the IT guys (who get paid to manage Exchange) word for it. "You don't want to do that. It's insecure." Few CEOs outside our business will challenge talk like that. - Matt Terenzio

I truly love that indictment. LOL...it's only Obama, Congress has not a damn thing to do with it. - Karoli

I have multiple clients that draw on my twitter, Poco and other cloud contexts. phones, laptops desktops use them - Kevin Marks

yea, like obama has control over the senate and house or the huge military infrastructure that bush had 8 years to setup - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

BULLSHIT, Jason. - Karoli

Jason, agreed. Not that it's a viable sol'n. - Kurtiss Hare

Jasos is a die-hard libertarian. Love it. - Jerry Schuman

Karoli +1 - Ross Mayfield

obama set stem cell research free, that's crucial - Christopher Harris

My 20-year old innovating son thinks you're full of shit. His diabetes doesn't kill him. - Karoli

ok, adding politics to this discussion just ruined it and reminds me of the bad version of gilmor gang - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Standard of living has increased with population. Not saying there aren't challenges. - Matt Terenzio

Some companies can't innovate because they pay too much for health care - Ross Mayfield

Let's get back to tech please!!!!!!! - Peter Mullen

Ross +1 back to you. - Karoli

Microsoft won't stop innovating, but they'll be innovating in the wrong direction (closed platforms, etc.) - Matt Mastracci

Jason sounds like Ehrlich's genocidal nonsense, not any Libertarians I know - Kevin Marks

when all the normal workers - not those that are like most silicon valley startup wonks - can stop worrying about where the money for the next health bill comes from, then they will be able to spend time making work more productive - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Tim O'Reilly talks about Microsoft being a major player in the open web... - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, did you get the URL for the IIS demo? - Jerry Schuman

Microsoft innovates but it's not accessible to the murmuring rabble. Like me. at least, not yet (other than Silverlight) - Karoli

Microsoft is the greatest squandering of wealth in the History of business - Stephen Pickering

Microsoft is a leader in the Information card space, and they're doing some amazing stuff with .Net, etc - Jesse Stay

(note that I write this from a *nix-based MacBook Pro) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: see Craig Burton's rant on MSFT's implementation of cardspace. - Cliff Gerrish

Microsoft is the new Newspaper business - Matt Terenzio

Cliff, I'll look at that - Jesse Stay

There's not a company that Balmer wouldn't buy. Gates had to come in and not allow him to bid more than 42 billion for Yahoo - Stephen Pickering

How about Silverlight/Gestalt - running Ruby/Python in the browser. - Cliff Gerrish

ahem - Ross Mayfield

Gestalt is a dead end (I blogged here a while ago: http://grack.com/blog...) - Matt Mastracci

and how is Salesforce managing this change in direction and focus... open source and open protocols I suspect - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Client wars have been going on for 2 decades.. it doesn't matter. You will have multiple native and web based clients from now until the cows come home. - Jerry Schuman

warlords of tech, each guarding their own fiefdom. - Karoli

The apathy of the user community regarding clients was evidenced by the failure of "Write Once, Run Everywhere" - Jerry Schuman

it all boils down to Tower Defense! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I think you just hit the nail on the head bear :-) - Paul Shadwell

Robert it already exists.. DOM manipulations - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: DOM Manipulations + Action Cards gets you there. - Cliff Gerrish

the major change comes with context awareness. We're almost there.. very close in my estimation. - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: Action Cards are all about contextual browsing. - Cliff Gerrish

There are no generic enclosures is what I think Dave meant - Matt Terenzio

meta data is data - it can be included with other meta data or consumed as is. what is key is removing the silo mentality -- open data api's to allow neutral use cases - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter's 'features' have been a massive user #fail - Karoli

twitter has always been a feature to be included in other apps -- they *are* a pipe - Karoli

yes, they have rolled out a number of new features but they still have fundamental stability issues when followers drop off your account, when api calls still return random errors and other quality of life issues - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

btw: all those things you just mentioned extended Twitters discrete extensions of the backend. You're seeing twitter manipulate and compartmentalize their schema - Jerry Schuman

bear, not only that, but they're anti-community. by sending that message, they tell me they intend to be a pipe for my data, not a host. - Karoli

i've become so accustomed to their slowness of innovation, i certainly don't take the recently developed features for granted like I did when G or FF innovates...sad, really. - Kurtiss Hare

still looking for those 'features'. closing conversations, making retweets a metric, and adding lists...? - Karoli

While I might agree with ppl discounted MS I think discounting Ray Ozzie is a HUGE mistake. Especially if Ballmer gets forced out of MS. - Rob La Gesse

it's all DATA SOUP. Apple had it right with the Newton ;-) - Jerry Schuman

Authoritative ecosystems of record will still rule the day. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff +1 - Karoli

tweetie iphone is stil the best way to access - Jamie

:) The Newton rocks! (still) - Rob La Gesse

Gah Jerry - Newton Soup was the worlds slowest data model. Nice idea, lousy implementation. - Kevin Marks

my commodore 64 is still in the garage... - Karoli

Kevin, blame the processor ;-) - Jerry Schuman

my C64 is right next to my pc and the mac :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Great show guys! Like Mike, I like the Pre - Peter Mullen

bye...good show even with the politics. :) - Karoli

Thanks, sorry @Ross for not mentioning SocialText. - Robert Scoble

short show :-( - Jamie

We should do an enterprise shootout between all these new social enterprise systems - Robert Scoble

Jamie: gotta make Turkey! :-) - Robert Scoble

ah we dont have thanksgiving here - Jamie

don't mind shorter shows if they are focused. except for the "into the ditch" diversion of the political discussion this was a nice tightly focused show - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

SocialText...unfortunate name. Brings to mind the "journal" that was punked by Alan Sokal. - Christopher A Carr

I love SocialText, when I use it :-) - Jesse Stay

I do. - Aron Michalski

Shey, Jamaican of FF

Sorry FriendFeed, But I Agree With Robert Scoble - http://www.sheysmith.com/2009...

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I agree with you that things are incredibly cliquey here, which is an unfortunate side effect of less fresh meat. I think there's a difference between the content of Scoble's point and how he presented that point: Scoble, in many ways, is like a kid in a candy store. He's overstimulated with a constant influx of new tech candy, and it's becomes hard to take his recommendations... more... - Mark Trapp

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It doesn't give him a pass to be a jerk about it. It was very disrespectful to everyone in the screenshot he posted. - Rodfather

That's a good distinction Mark. And you hit the nail on the head in terms of one of my main points which is the "less fresh meat". - Shey, Jamaican of FF

See, Shey, you left space for open dialogue. You didn't come in and say it was "sad" and "dead". You just said YOUR usage has changed. You posted the exact opposite of what Robert did. - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

That's an important distinction too Monique. Thanks - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I agree that things have gotten very cliquey here on FriendFeed. - Itachi

Yeah, I can actually agree with Shey here. It's unfortunate that things have gone in this direction. I'm not afraid of getting jumped on for something I post or a comment I make, but I'm thinking most people are a little more conservative than I. FriendFeed isn't dead, it's just different. I also stand by the comment I have made on various occasions: Your FriendFeed is unique and... more... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Mark nailed it. +++ - Carlos Ayala

Rahsheen: that's just the rub. Let's say I want to follow all the iPhone app developers. They just aren't here. 90% are over on Twitter: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say I want to follow the world's geolocation experts. They aren't here (go ahead and check, I did). But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say you want to follow tech companies. They aren't here. But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... -- see, when I joined FriendFeed I had hoped... - Robert Scoble

...that a far more diverse group of folks would show up here (and brands and celebrities) so that I COULD listen to what I wanted and YOU could listen to what YOU wanted and we all could be happy. But, that didn't happen. I'm being a jerk, yes, but mostly it's just grief because it didn't work out the way I thought it would. - Robert Scoble

Well, two things happen in a lifeboat scenario. People get cliquey (bond close together to cope/survive) and people peer into others eyes and wonder if mania or cannibalism is brewing. People are civilized and instinctual, so there is no inevitable outcome, but in the mean time drama ensues. - Micah Wittman

I can exist in more than one place. I can follow the people on Robert's list on Twitter and my friends here on FriendFeed and my family/friends on Facebook. Social Media Maturity means you don't have to have all your sets of friends in the one room for you to remain being friends with them. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Shey, I think this title is a little misleading. As others have said here, I think you're saying something very different from what Robert said, or at least in a very different, much more palatable way. I think you're being more specific and not so general (SOME people's experiences here aren't so great. It's not horrible for everyone.) - Kamilah Gill

Unless you just don't care; The clique thing never bothered me, I have two many of my own things going on. - ThatDBD

"clique" implies exclusionary behaviours, and i have yet to witness that in any great quantity here. - Joe Silence is not Santa

If i was robert I would have added all his twitter list accounts to a semi-public room here on friendfeed.... much more useful in here than over there (imho) -- you can use the reply to twitter checkbox when commenting on the entries and when they reply to you it should feed into friendfeed via an ego search.... i do this exactly, but i only follow 64 ppl on twitter and am followed by... more... - Chris Heath

@Kamilah Fair assessment. I agree with Robert's assessment of the forum effect. But we're different users when it comes to Friendfeed and we want to see different things - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I agree that FriendFeed has changed since the FB announcement, but I've been here long enough (and you have too, Shey) to have seen it change several times as people came in and left with various feature changes and overhauls. It will continue to morph into something else again, I'm sure. It's a platform that is suited to a lot of purposes and it changes as the majority of people decide... more... - Fa La La La Lindsay

This also assumes that FriendFeed is used exclusively in English... - Johnny Worthington

At first I thought Friendfeed was a refuge for the chummy crowd. Then I saw Johnny Worthington was here and I knew it couldn't be a clique. Sorted. - Bernie Goldbach

Why cannot FriendFeed be used just as much as everything else. In the social media world, the more points of connection, the better. - Steve Borgman

WOW good post, and comments,+Mark +Chris, Kamillah I agree the title is misleading differing from Scoble as per Mark's comment. And after after the drop from the big sell to FB, albeit Scoble had all the tact of someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre, people listen to him, the criticism still resonates, and the fact is user #s keep dropping. And consequently I find FF myself less interested, signing in less, it's not as "breaking" as it once was, there's less posts/shares/activity, especially re Tech - sofarsoShawn

Bret Taylor

International growth has started to completely dominate on FriendFeed since August. Below is an unlabeled graph of page views on FriendFeed this month, broken down by country. Guess which country is the largest green slice below? (Hint: it is not English-speaking)

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Iran! - Marshall Kirkpatrick

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Turkey?? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

We are still blocked in Iran - Bret Taylor

Turkey - Cliff Gerrish

Me - Johnny Worthington

Brazil? - Marshall Kirkpatrick

turkey, imho. - 1Co

Oh and good to see you bret. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Turkey is in fact the green slice. Orange is also not English speaking. Guess which country :) - Bret Taylor

france - WorldofHiglet

Japan or Italy? Maybe Portugal? - Itachi

Hmm.. Turkey is the biggest international... I am not surprised (: - Ozgur Demir

i totally don't know my FF :( - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Orange - Russia? :) - Лосось норвежской выделки

FF is rising fast in Turkey I guess. And will probably continue to rise for some time. Celebrities are joining too (: - Hakan Deryal

I am guessing the orange is Canada :P - Johnny Worthington

COUNTRY OR CONTINENT?UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.... - Pam Gwenzi

@Brent. is USA one of these countries ? or does chart only show internationals ? - Ozgur Demir

USA is blue. About 23% of our page views now. - Bret Taylor

Does Australia get a slice? - Johnny Worthington

@Bret, Can we get more info about Turkey in FF? - Hakan Deryal

India - Hayes Haugen

The orange slice is actually Italy, believe it or not. Turkey and Italy have been growing like gangbusters the past few months. - Bret Taylor

@Bret. yes, your guess is correct (about gangs) (: - Ozgur Demir

Sweet, correct guess :) - Itachi

I believe it - RAPatton from iPhone

Turkey. hehe :) - Oğuz Serdar from Android

What is the gray then, Bret? - Itachi

what is the gray? - Mycaptain

some of our friends from US don't know about FF, lol :) - Ufuk Özgül

Gray is "other" - Bret Taylor

where other is proxied users from Iran. ;) - EricaJoy

If we were not blocked , we would win a big slice for iran :( - Milad.p from FreshFeed

Both China and Iran would have been in there if they were not both blocked currently - Bret Taylor

Is Russia any of the other slices pictured above? (other than gray) - Itachi

That's where Australia is, in the grey :) - Glenn Slaven

OMG. Friendfeed is going the way of Orkut ;) Btw, is Norway/Scandinavia even visible in all this ? Just curious. - Thomas Bøhm

@thomas. even though Orkut is Turkish (the guy), it is (site) not big in Turkey. - Ozgur Demir

i'm sure finland is forbidden long time ago from this list ;) - Nia from fftogo

Just look at the public feed for 2 secs or 2 hours - yep, definitely. - Micah Wittman from iPhone

Facebook has a very similar story as far as I know.. we are a communicative nation:) - Neşe Uyanık

Who's Gray? It's Gray, Louis of course :) - Micah Wittman

Thank you for sharing this graph, Bret. - Micah Wittman

Interesting - though for the sake of data visualization, pie charts are the worst of all.... :) - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

See-ming, a-hem, take a look at your avatar ;) - Micah Wittman

@Bret, what is the exact number of Turkish people on FF? - Ozkan Altuner

Ozkan, I'd be curious to know too, but I have a feeling there's an internal policy about not releasing absolute numbers, hence the percentages. But it never hurts to ask :) - Micah Wittman

@Micah, it's the page view, however, not the number of users :) - Ozkan Altuner

Good point, Ozkan. But I can't remember Visitor or View counts ever publicly reported before. But today could be the first time! :) - Micah Wittman

Iran :-) - Nimaa

Everyone knows teh fuckin answer Bret. It's Turkey. Mahir loves you http://www.ikissyou.org - Ahmet Alp Balkan from iPod

I'm not surprised that Turkey is the green portion. I've seen more and more Turkish posts in my home feed. I thought it was just a biased sample, but perhaps not. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Iran - Assal

Turkey - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Intense competition between Iran and Turkey occurred :D - Nimaa

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...MOZAMBIQUE luminous orange l guess - Pam Gwenzi

the desire to push the boundaries of internet of the turkish is troubling. the possesive tendecies of the turkish can be observed in the currently popular ''ff bu deYil'' (this is not ff) comment. turks are crowding ff, westerners are in panic! - ferayebend

turks are invading ff!!! call norad - aadagger

international growth dominates FF and yet the USA dominates the world. Not always in good ways either. What is the link? I don't think there is one. All I can say is that I love the USA and I love FriendFeed. What does it all mean? More free, cold beer is needed to find the answers. - Morgan Haley

.. because, Turkish Facebook users are 10-20 years old. FF is very good alternative for older users. (and in addition Twitter is non-useful) - Murat Tatar

Bret would that mean that FF has around 200K Turkish users? http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... - Cem ARGUN

Murat Tatar. So you've seen that Turkish Facebook users demographics ? even though it's unpublished. - Ozgur Demir

SO when are we gonna party BRET? :) - Bahriye

Actually, I wonder when Bret is gonna post something like "FF bu degil!".. - Ozgur Demir

What do we care :) FF is this. And this is the rl. SO THE QUESTION IS: When are we gonna party! - Bahriye

Bret start learning Turkish. You should have guessed from the reactions the days a.) you changed the design, b.) announced the FB deal. :) - Cem ARGUN

I've noticed it on my feed. It's all good. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

I've noticed a huge increase in Iran, peaking at about 7-8am Eastern - H0llywoodWh0re

Just curious, what's happening with total page views? (I don't trust alexa, compete, etc.) - Bruce Lewis

@Bret, 1- Turkey, 2- USA, 3- Italy, 4- India, 5- Japan, 6- Germany, 7- UK & Russia 8 - Pakistan 9- Iran 10- Canada.. Is it True? - Kemalettin Bulamacı

italian power! yeah! ;) - Dario Salvelli

Anyone worth their weight in tweets knows that it's turkey. - Richard A.

knew it english speaker are way down - ffcode

Turkey? - ★ Soner Gönül

If that is so, can we get some way of filtering by language? I want to follow more international people but be able to ignore them or their friends when they post in what I cannot read :) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Turkiye :) - Mustafa Çamaltı

italy rules!! :-) - batta

Turkey - Melih Bahadır Varol

My bet's on India - Rod Nicolson

Country dominating FriendFeed? My guess...Brazil (have to bet on the homeland) - Victoria Harres Akers

Btw, FriendFeed is blocked in Turkish Schools :( - F. Batuhan Icoz from iPhone

It's blocked in US schools that I attended as well F. Batuhan :( - Itachi

Italy? - Matte

You may have to develop "hide by language" feature very soon. - Bahadır Yağan

Afghanistan - Pam Gwenzi

go italy! - Alessandro

How much does the UK get? - Kol Tregaskes

Turkey is the winner btw. - Kol Tregaskes

YEAH TURKEY ! - Çağatay " SKYLAB " Şama

different kind of widgets? I don't like with blue line. years fighting with it :) and option to change fonts. please :) - Okeane

#Turkey of course ;) - Volkan Özçelik

IRAN :) - ДMIROVSKY☂امیروفسکی

Gotta be Turkey. It is Thanksgiving weekend, after all! - Mark "DerBingle" J

:) - Susan Beebe

Is there any place to get a full breakdown, including the smaller slices, by country with percentages? Thanks. - Mikeynitle

@bret, what is the number of friendfeed users in total? - elodeon

Jeff Sandquist

The Visual Studio Documentary - Alan Cooper, the Father of Visual Basic - http://channel9.msdn.com/shows...

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The Visual Studio Documentary Part One and Part Two. S. Somasegar's Full Length Interview Jason Zander Full Length Interview Tim Huckaby Full Length Interview Scott Guthrie Full Length Interview Anders Hejlsberg Full Length Interview For over 30 years Alan Cooper has been a pioneer of the modern computing era. His groundbreaking work in software invention, design and construction has influenced a generation of programmers and business people—and helped a generation of users. Alan is the author of two best-selling books, About Face: The Essentials of User Interface Design and The Inmates Are Running the Asylum, and his visionary ideas and outspoken style make him a popular speaker. Whether you know him as the "Father of Visual Basic," the inventor of personas, or the guy who thinks software should be spanked, we know him as the man whose ideas are the foundation of what we do. - Jeff Sandquist

Paul Buchheit

Tornado vs Rails: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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;) - Paul Buchheit

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awesome - Ayman Shurafa

wow. insane! - Caio

Looks like Tornado won! - Private Sanjeev

love the metaphor :) - andy brudtkuhl

brilliant. Alternative comment: this metaphor is a train wreck - Ivan Kirigin

haha love it - Rasmus Lauridsen

Smashing! Simply smashing... - Chris Heath

Ivan +1! - Kevin L

I couldn't take my eyes off of it. It was like watching a train wreck! - Chuck Adams

so sad story :( trains are so unprotected.. - я был в лесу

physics is a beaatch for sure - Robert Higgins

That video never gets old. Never underestimate the power of nature. - Jim Goldstein

This highlights the need for additional Superman III technology investment. - Jay Cuthrell

wow!! :) - Oğuz Serdar

:) - Micah Wittman

\m/ - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

AMAZING footage. Dayum! - Josh Haley

That was worth watching even ignoring the obviously cute pun. - Greg Grothaus

Paul is probably just joking - but if he is serious about this pun i would assume it's for good reason. - Chris Heath

and i bet paul just couldn't wait for them to open up tornado when he first saw this video - Chris Heath

amazing - boro

should hitler be saying something about it now :) - vinod

MOther Nature indeed - Mark Mason

WOW! That reminds me...I still have some video from this summer's train trip to post. Nothing this exciting happened, I'm afraid. - Eph Zero

YEAH BABY - Çağatay " SKYLAB " Şama

Just as I expected, it's all twisted. - Dustin Sallings

very punny. - winterismute

Bindu Reddy

In this "real-time" world where the half-life of most posts is about 30 min. We are losing the signal and drowning in the noise. This also incents people to constantly post to be in the conversation...Making the signal to noise problem even worse...

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http://friendfeed.com/summary... - Paul Buchheit

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FF has 2 great ways of addressing the problem - best of day and bumping up popular posts. Twitter has none... it is insane to watch your twitter stream go by during the day. 95% of the posts are really not interesting/relevant - Bindu Reddy

I'm tempted to make "best of" the default view somehow (perhaps with new stuff streaming in at that top). I'm afraid it would kill new stuff (and therefore itself) though. - Paul Buchheit

What about doing something like Facebook... if the post gets enough "likes/comments" only than bump into the default view and have a link to the "live feed" - Bindu Reddy

You know...I rarely go into my BOD page because I can tell exactly who is going to be in there. It is *always* the same 6 people everyday. BOM is even worse. And I don't see how post have a expiration date. I go back weeks, sometimes months for some people. - Admiral Anika

Anika, interesting... Yes I see what you are saying about BOD having the same usual suspects. So technically the BOD does give you "quality" posts relevant to you. It gives you posts from people who have the most "engaged following".... I think the FB news feed has the same issue. - Bindu Reddy

Therein lies the rub that wouldn''t make it "real time" anymore. Except, the real time web is a buzz word for suckers #doanybodyno? I'm on the same page with Anika, I'm looking for fresh content, though not up to THIS SECOND (twitter) - sofarsoShawn

Problem is, if the "signal" posts aren't timed right, they don't get enough initial response to appear in Best Of Day. - Bruce Lewis

Exactly. BOD often strikes me as the same people circle-jerking each other. If I want interesting content, I have a list for people who post interesting things and of course, stalking *their* friends. The posts may not have many comments, but to me that's a good thing. I often get a better quality-more engaged conversation with just another person. No snark-offs, IOW. - Admiral Anika

& Bindu you make an awesome point, on those "who have the most engaged following"...? Scoble's called them a "cult-following" - sofarsoShawn

I hardly visit BOD too. I go through it if I'm not signed on for a decent length of time in case I miss a birthday post or announcement ;) I like jumping in and out and sometimes look up certain people / lists. I'll miss a lot of peep's content who are active in other timezones. - Rodfather

"cult-following" is a good name. In some cases it is also a band of people who comment on each other's posts bumping it up. My FB is something like that. I have set of friends who comment on my posts and they comment on mine... this bumps up my posts to others who don't really like it much - Bindu Reddy

Better to have tags, filters. BOD reminds me too much of jr. high popularity contests (not bitching about people who regularly land there, I'm just saying that BOD is not necessarily a measurement of quality of content). - Spidra Webster

I had lists on FF ... than I deleted all of them, simply cause I was finding it hard to click-through to lists and read. - Bindu Reddy

Maybe you just need one list called "signal". - Bruce Lewis

he he :) - Bindu Reddy

I will visit the BOD page if I have not been on FF much during the day. That way I can find out what the important / popular topics if the day were. I really like the BOD feature. - Jeff P. Henderson

I think Anika just outlined above what makes FF so great. You can follow who you want, and filter specific content. Lists, which FF has had for a while help this immensely You can create your own BOD by creating a list of interesting people, filtering out all posts that don't have, say 5 comments. - Jeff P. Henderson

I subscribe to fewer people that are very active so it makes it easier. - ashish

What you, in theory want, is a "Best of Day" tailored to you based on your interests. That's what my6sense is trying to do (on the iPhone for feeds), calling it "digital intuition". The more I use it, the better it gets. - Louis Gray

It depends who you subscibe to. My BOD is very good. - Paul Buchheit from iPhone

catch that double-entendre? hé hé *smirks* my BOD's like soooo hawwwwt toooo, like phenomenal! But I wanna see Buchheat's!!! - sofarsoShawn

Paul, I almost agree but I'd add "it depends who you subscribe to AND who's subscribed to them"…Obviously you'd know better than I, but to me it seems like BOD links became a collection of what the most popular (and not necessarily the most interesting) users were sharing. I wrote a brief bit more here: http://friendfeed.com/kaz... - Adam Kazwell

In general if you are pretty selective about your subscriptions your feed is going to be good :)) - Bindu Reddy

[the default] BOD doesn't really interest me either, not as much as the regular feed lists I have. - Andrew C

I disagree that the half life of posts is 30 minutes. They can live far longer here on FF. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Yes FF posts have a greater half life... I should have mentioned I was talking about twitter - Bindu Reddy

Tweets -- snowflakes that melt before they hit the ground. - Sean McBride

This is why I am such a big fan of Topsy, and now use it on a daily basis to discover big signals in the noise. Leading patterns of tweets in the aggregate can have a shelf life of weeks or months. We definitely need a Topsy-like front end for Friendfeed. - Sean McBride

BOD is ideal for emails. People should get those emails maybe by default. As far as the default screen, maybe just two tabs at the top: Now and Best - Christopher Galtenberg

I hold time order responsible. Every tool we use for reading seems to order by time rather than relevance: http://akkartik.name/blog... - Kartik Agaram

Bindu Reddy

Ads are only annoying because they are irrelevant and distract you from the real content of the page. Highly relevant ads are equivalent to other links on a page?

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Yes, but the trick is defining what is "relevant." People working in ads for a living tend to think that any ad that shares a topic with other links on the page is "relevant," but that's not the kind of relevance that is required. Ads should be useful content that help you fulfill the purpose for which you came to the page. (And that purpose might be "to be distracted with something cool and shiny," depending on the page.) - Daniel Dulitz

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Agree, it is not an easy problem. But take for example Google - ads are promoted to the very top spot when Google's algorithms think they relevant and in most cases Google more or less gets it right. I think the same principle should apply for all types of ads/content. - Bindu Reddy

Ads are annoying because they are rarely objective (even if they are somehow relevant to a need I have). - LogEx

LogEx, most content on the web is "subjective" it is the subjective opinion of someone or some organization. - Bindu Reddy

Yes, relevant ads add value to the page, whereas irrelevant ads are spammy. But how do branding ads fit into the picture? The great Ogilvy said the first time you see an ad it pisses you off, the 20th time you see it, you're writing a check for the product. And what about serendipitous ads? Things you didn't know existed, but once you find out about them, you become interested?... more... - Stephen Pickering

Stephen, I think "serendipitous ads" also need to be "relevant". As an example if you are following/reading a tech blog and see an ad for "hair extensions" you will no-doubt be annoyed. However say the tech blog posts one "sponsored ad" about a new technology, you might find it really useful...Most tech blogs and journals including the WSJ already do this... - Bindu Reddy

Yes, I agree. As I was writing that, it occurred to me, even something serendipitous needs to be relevant to the content. No question. - Stephen Pickering

Yep, I have found that increasing ad relevancy is better than trying to increase coverage. If users do relate to the ads in terms of content and context the CTR is higher. I think it also depends on where the ads are shown and how they are displayed. It would be interesting to know if there are numbers that justify this case. - Ravinder Reddy

Yes, that is the case for Google AdWords and the philosophy behind it:) - Bindu Reddy

I think talking about this with the broadest possible term, "Ad", actually makes the discussion too narrow. - Micah Wittman

If a producer/vendor makes a value claim that's reasonably testable AND there's high relevancy, I'm potentially slightly interested. But that's the specific type of ad + scenario. - Micah Wittman

Micah - Agree the value claim matters a lot. In fact, I would say it also matters who the value claim is coming from. - Bindu Reddy

the standard of relevance applies to all content, and it is a challenge for publishers - Mike Chelen

Mike, agree with you.. this should apply to all content. Sadly ads, esp the banner / display type have a bad name because they tend to be distracting on not-relevant. Even AdSense ads are pretty banal and don't really engage you - Bindu Reddy

Bindu, my example is small scale to be sure (last 4 weeks 8500 uniques), but I've run Adsense (multi-year test run) and projectwonderful (under a year) ads on my bebepool.com website, and the relevancy is terrible. I would approve by hand all ads in the case of projectwonderful, and it was still pitiful. I've recently pull both of those placements and am now testing out a tinyprints affiliate placement which I think has good likelihood of value to my site's user base (birth announcement cards). Jury is out. - Micah Wittman

Micah, I know exactly what you mean. It is a good idea to pick out what exactly reasonates with your audience - Bindu Reddy

:) - Micah Wittman

Bindu: yup, although adsense is an improvement, it still fails the relevancy test more often than regular content. new tactics like social recommendation might be the only solution because nothing can gauge the relevance as well as other humans - Mike Chelen

I find ads displayed when I am actively searching for stuff most relevant. I don't really like the social network ad approaches for two reasons: 1) I only care about ads if I am already receptive/predisposed to what they are liking. Else, I don't really care that someone on my network just bought some speakers. If I'm in the market for speakers, it's great, if I not looking to buy... more... - Ray Cromwell

Completely agree with you on 1. You don't want your social network to be filled with deals for speakers. Clearly that is not relevant. I there is an ad anywhere it needs to be relevant... As an example if you see an ad for a new cloud-computing technology from a hi-tech blogger you are following. I would argue that it is as relevant as the other content. On number 2, I would argue that... more... - Bindu Reddy

Ray: the criteria should be whether the friend thinks the topic is worth discussing - Mike Chelen

If a person posting the ad actually uses and believes in it, I'm down with that. But the example I read in the NYT about personalized M&Ms is one that would likely annoy me. BTW - nice pic there in the NYT Bindu. - Hutch Carpenter

I agree... I think the biggest issue with ads is that relevancy of some of these ads to the end user. As an example John Chow writes a blog about "making money online"... People who follow him probably ideally want to hear about "making money online" and not M&Ms - Bindu Reddy

There's a certain segment of people who are passionate about the things they recommend and/or review, and affiliate payment is a nice bonus. But it seems there's many more people who love milking the system and they are quite ingenious at it, spamming, link-farming, scamming lead gens, I just think that the monetary could potentially distort what was previously 'friendly' behavior, or... more... - Ray Cromwell

Ray, I agree with you on that as well. Payment/monetary reasons have helped promote wrong kinds behavior. The trick than is to build a system to incent the right kind of behavior. The right kind being recommendations that will be useful to your audience. - Bindu Reddy

Ray: banner ads also appear on spam sites, if companies like google do not block them - Mike Chelen

MG Siegler

Google Opens Chrome Extensions To Developers, Will Only Review Certain Ones - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...

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Woohoo! - Matt Cutts

Kevin Fox

National Geographic's International Photography Contest 2009 - http://www.boston.com/bigpict...

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This is one of my favorite Big Picture installments yet. It's only a coincidence that the three shots I picked involve water. - Kevin Fox from Bookmarklet

LogEx to LogEx's feed, All Things Google, Google Reader

Google Reader "Send To" custom links - add yours here...

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FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/bgolub... UPDATE: looks like FF is in the default list now :) - LogEx

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Posterous: http://blog.posterous.com/send-to... - LogEx

Several good tips here: http://www.labnol.org/interne... (Save to PDF, Convert partial feed item to full feed via email, AddThis/AddToAny/ShareThis, Backtweets/Technorati/GoogleBlogSearch related conversations) - LogEx

Instapaper: http://www.willw.net/adding-... - LogEx

Google Bookmarks & AddToAny: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009... - LogEx

ping.fm: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009... & more in other comments: Gmail, generic email, Google Calendar,... - LogEx

WordPress “Press this…” on your domain: http://thingelstad.com/using-g... - LogEx

Autotranslate from another language: http://translate.google.com/transla... - Matt Cutts

This could get VERY powerful if/when GOOG adds more substitutions :) - LogEx

Is Backtype available> - TrafficBug

WOOOOOWWW - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Is Hellotxt available too? - Kol Tregaskes

Does it add pictures to post for FF like Bookmarklet ? - Jacque

And Shareaholic? - Kol Tregaskes

No pictures yet that I can figure... will either need another (smart) substitution or a URL that triggers a bookmarklet? - LogEx

GReader will need an OPML-like facility for batch-loading these ;) - LogEx

I've been dreaming about that for a long time... :) - Stanislas Jourdan

Stanislas, not quite the regular dream but good for you. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

@kol hehe, don't worry, i have others dreams in my life ;-) - Stanislas Jourdan

Stanislas, that's good, I was worried for a bit there. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Lifehacker adds PrintFriendly & Identica configs: http://lifehacker.com/5339214... - LogEx

Feed Buster allows pictures from GR to FF. It's just slow and limited... - Kamilah Gill

shorten with bit.ly: http://exde601e.blogspot.com/2009... - George Moga

I haven't seen Twine yet. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

MakeUseOf.com adds Iterasi & ZapReader: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag... - LogEx

another 5 services, including LinkedIn and j.mp: http://exde601e.blogspot.com/2009... - George Moga

...so G-Reader is becoming a little like FriendFeed now? - .LAG liked that

that change in greader is how I found FF - Jeremy (on vacation)

Benjamin Golub

National Geographic's International Photography Contest 2009 - The Big Picture - Boston.com - http://www.boston.com/bigpict...

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It was hard to pick the thumbnail for this one. They are all great - Benjamin Golub from Bookmarklet

They're awesome! Not a single picture which is not amazing. - David Schmidt

DeWitt Clinton

To those noting what the web can't do today, I ask: what can it do tomorrow? Re http://friendfeed.com/dewitt...

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A friend and I were discussing Chrome OS with my wife, and he made the point that there are many things, such as Excel, that don't have complete analogs on the web yet. To which I turned to my wife, who is a heavy user of Excel professionally, and asked, "when was Excel great? When did it do everything you needed?" She responded, "it's always been perfect. Since forever, I guess." I asked, "and how is Google Spreadsheets today?" Her: "Well, it's pretty good, but not quite there yet." Me: "How was it three years ago?" Her: "Huh? It didn't exist three years ago." Me: "Exactly." - DeWitt Clinton

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It's all about trajectory. - DeWitt Clinton

It works the other way too. The next time someone complains about some missing feature in Docs compared to Word, ask them how they live-edit a document with other users. - Nick Lothian

The next best Office will be a web app. Mark my words. - DeWitt Clinton

What's more important, that an app be "web" or that it be networked? - Cliff Gerrish

@Cliff: That is be "web". "Webbyness" is an enabling feature in ways that being networked isn't. - Nick Lothian

Nick, and by that do you mean: http or browser rendered html? - Cliff Gerrish

Both. http(s) should be assumed. HTML+JS makes it a real web app. Flash can be used to provide functionality that HTML+JS cannot (and I suppose in some circumstances Silverlight can substitute for Flash). - Nick Lothian

So, it's just bits delivered to the local cache over the Network, and writes files back upstream. - Cliff Gerrish

I'm a big fan of the idea, though I hope the resulting solution is not the same kind of monolithic monstrosity that Office has turned into over the years. Word takes for-freaking-ever to start on my Mac (one of many reasons I never actually use it for anything) -- much longer than I think I'd be comfortable with in a web app (I know it's a little odd to have different expectations for startup time on web apps, but I think most people feel the same way). - Joel Webber

Also, we've got a ways to go before something like Word is feasible in a web app. I know the Google Docs team has worked *really* hard to beat "contentEditable" into submission, but there are still a lot of edge cases (on all the major browsers), and it's damned near impossible to make all (or even most) of the bugs go away. And if you decide to roll-your-own text editor, you've got a... more... - Joel Webber

@Joel, with HTML5 "startup" time is more like "install" time, and after that you're running from cache. At least that's the theory; I wish it actually worked that way on say the iPhone. In terms of monolithic, I'm intrigued by Android Intents, and I wish something like them were in HTML5. Intents:userscripts::functions:goto. But I can't even imagine what that would look like. Sounds like Sergey said they should think about ChromeOS/Android convergence, so who knows. - Daniel Dulitz

@Joel - what do you think of the Bespin approach to solving the text editing problem? That seems to go some way to dealing with font-metrics doesn't it? (measureText() etc) - Nick Lothian

After dealing with contentEditable and it's designMode sibling for a few years now, I'm convinced the only way forward is replacing the whole disaster lots of clever trickery. Every browser implementation falls over with some combination of formatting, pasting or key navigation. We need to pave over most of the logic and start from scratch. - Matt Mastracci from iPhone

@Daniel: Agreed on HTML5 startup time, modulo the problem that js parse time eventually becomes a huge issue. Probably an architecture closer to Android intents/activities would alleviate this. I don't think it really needs to be a spec thing -- I think it's just more of an architectural decision. - Joel Webber

@Nick: Bespin gets to cheat very heavily (fixed-width fonts have a way of making the calculations easier). Canvas' measureText() method is kind of a joke, as it's nowhere near enough to do anything complex -- you can't even ask for text height. Even with that, there would still be a host of other issues -- think about stuff like Thai segmentation and ideographic input methods. There's a... more... - Joel Webber

If you can cache the source, you can cache the parse tree. :-) What excites me about Intents is that they work cross-app, cross-vendor. I don't know any way to architect HTML5 apps so that e.g. I can install a photo picker that is used by all apps that need a photo, like I can in Android. - Daniel Dulitz

If CanvasRenderingContext2D borrowed more of Java2D's set of APIs, things would be easier. The standards groups are too timid and too political. Like tinkering with healthcare, they are only willing to add small compromise APIs that everyone agrees on. This limits how fast the web can evolve. Take my pet peeves: Video recording (instead of just <video> playback), binary WebSockets, etc.... more... - Ray Cromwell

Java Applets did a lot of things wrong, but the new APIs being exposed to JS are too conservative in the opposite direction. You want HTML5 to supplant Flash and Silverlight? You want next-gen apps? You need to expose more functionality and fix others. (just look at the Keyboard event mess). WebGL is a step in the right direction. But there are still huge gaps of functionality missing.... more... - Ray Cromwell

Louis Gray

Reporters accepting freebies - http://www.scripting.com/stories...

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"Let’s Watch Twitter Become FriendFeed" RT @centerworks - now the inevitable ironic "lol" insertion - http://www.centernetworks.com/lets-wa...

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"It seems the hot Twitter news of the day is that the service might be slowing in U.S. growth. You can read the Twitter stats story on Mashable and TheNextWeb. Earlier in the week the big news for the so-called social media experts was the on and off status of the new “retweet architecture system”. Twitter turned it on for many users (I was not one of them) but then turned it off so they could fix some bugs. Apparently there are two camps when it comes to the new retweets…one camp likes the consolidated concept and the other camp hates it because they can’t add their 2-cents to the conversation. My guess is that 90% of re-sharing on Twitter is either direct sharing of something Mashable posted or the addition of “lol”. This past summer I wrote about how Friendfeed could generate massive income and also reach the mainstream. Sadly that never happened because Friendfeed sold out to Facebook. While it looks like Facebook wasn’t reading, this morning I started to think that perhaps... more... - sofarsoShawn

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wow i didnt' think that friendfeed allowed complete scraping :( but thanks for sharing. - Allen Stern

I saw the 'retweet it' button in twitter and I miss it. It is easy to do one-click retweet rather than typing in RT @nameofperson here. Lets say you are retweeting a message you are looking up in somebodys profile page on twitter that is several tweets down on the page and not from your incoming tweet stream/time line. The retweet it link is a huge timesaver. I dont understand why anybody would oppose it. - TrafficBug

It's a great article (very funny too) & I hope it doesn't go unnoticed it's thorough in its appraisal of the ReTweet issue & in the overall larger issues at play. Taking note of the disproportionate @mashable ReTweets's ~ when'd he become a cell for the Twitter Jihad? Following the RT tree they originate of course from mashable then his proselytes errr or ummm I mean his writers &... more... - sofarsoShawn

I don't mean to name drop here but do you know Leo? Or @LeoLaporte :) Funny guy, well he had an awesome share on pagerank http://ff.im/3Y0S7 "Judge me by my PageRank, do you?" Helllll yeah we do! Mashable's just perfecting it's manipulation via Twitter. - sofarsoShawn

great, "likes"/retweet feature down, now twitter only needs: comment threading, realtime updates, foaf, multimedia embed, groups, email integration, and search that works for things older than a couple weeks, then it will really be the same as friendfeed :D - Mike Chelen

I think Twitter also really needs to get rid of 140 chars limit ... what is it there for?? to bother people? have a 'more' button, so that user can 'locally' roll out the remainder of a post over 140 - Petr Buben

The character limit is so that tweets fit within the constraints of every SMS service around the world. You can literally start using Twitter by sending a text to 40404 (or your country's short code) without ever visiting the site. 100% platform portability is one of the major reasons it's done so well. - David Chartier from iPhone

Petr: the character limit becomes less noticeable after ongoing use because any longer text can be broken into multiple posts, which are unlimited in number. however this runs into the issue of comment threading and difficulty in following a conversation, which remains ones of twitter's limits in comparison with other platforms - Mike Chelen

right .... multiple tweets is not going to help it. and would they somehow also point to each other, to be accessible if one is displayed alone?? - a mess. ... a simple solution is that 'more' button :] .... hey, we might even call it a censorship, a constitutional rights matter :] ..... it is darn silly to express oneself in 140- chars .. it might damage the intellect of tweeters == and let Twitter make all optional - to turn on 'more', to turn on 140+ chars ... - Petr Buben

That's hilarious @petrbuben the 140 character limit equates to either genius aphoristically speaking (there's been maybe 5 people in history who can claim as much) but is more likely the obverse, at least link to a url where there's further explanation or if you can fit a cohesive thought into 140 characters, you should probably expand your mind, so to speak - sofarsoShawn

Writing quality depends on much more than length :P - Mike Chelen

@Shawn.. to me, that limit has become a major problem and a drag on Twitter. unless they are trying to dumbify a twitte nation. ... @Mike.. yes, but 140 is a limit on quantity, and that translate very often to limits on quality ... just let's GET rid of 140 chars limit :] .. put there that dam 'morz' button |||| also, Twitte needs historic search .. time span, user, list scoped .. in fact, something as ff search ... or where can i find tw historic search? - Petr Buben

Matt Cutts

Lots of Google stuff this week. My fave four: 1. Chrome OS released as open-source. 2. US caselaw added to Google Scholar. 3. Real-time translation as you type at translate.google.com, plus romanization and text-to-speech. 4. Auto-captions (speech recognition) on YouTube and auto-timing (upload video transcript, get accurate time code alignment).

November 21 - Comment - Like - Share

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Links: 1. Chromium OS: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... 2. US caselaw: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... 3. As-you-type translation: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... 4. Auto-captions & Auto-timing: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... - Matt Cutts

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And a bonus video: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009... More detailed Google Earth models based on StreetView imagery. - Matt Cutts

I love the new Real-time translation. I found less usefull the new adsense panel layout (you know.. now i have to wear glasses to check the old things.. but it's only a css issue, so...). :) - Seo (ignobile) Guru

I think it would be nice of Google Translate offered an automatic reverse translation. Also, if I type in my language and get something translated into a language I don't speak, what good is the text to speech version to me? I can't understand it. Am I supposed to record it and post the sound file somewhere? - SuezanneC Baskerville

If you translate something into a language you don't speak, it might be a helpful aid for learning to speak a new language. I can read and understand some italian, and more if I hear it, but what I know when reading it isn't the same as what I know when I hear it, since I can't associate the way it sounds with how it is spelled at the same time. This might help me with that. - April Russo (app103)

didn't know about text to speech thanks for letting us know, real time translation is good and is like the translate page/site - ffcode

Jolie O'Dell

12 Thanksgiving iPhone Apps Worth Checking Out - http://www.bonafidereviews.com/blog...

November 21 from Digg - Comment - Like - Share

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Paul Buchheit

Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)

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Good point. - Robert Scoble

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I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms. - Swaroop

Including GNASH - the open source alternative - would solve that problem - Bogdan Costea

yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it. - Zio Bonino

Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great. - Rodfather

Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho. - Matt Mastracci

Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ? - Swaroop

@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5. - Benjamin Dobson

@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :) - Zio Bonino

@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature - Swaroop

Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance. - Paul Buchheit

@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs - Swaroop

Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days. - Louis Gray

@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :) - Swaroop

What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already. - Rodfather

h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is. - Paul Buchheit

I know some of the guys behind silverlight. It is some great technology. Too bad it's from Microsoft and is closed. - Joe Beda () from iPhone

A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait. - Paul Grav

Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open. - Paul Buchheit

MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5. - Paul Grav

Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha! - .LAG liked that

Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code." - Guy Vander Heyden

.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability. - Robert Scoble

Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too). - Swaroop

Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java - Ed F from Nambu

Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku? - Jay Cuthrell

Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open. - Rodfather

Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions. - Paul Buchheit

Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it? - .LAG liked that

So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right? - Jérôme Flipo

Use HTML 5 instead! - Minh Bui

Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach? - Daniel Chow

But who prevents Google from taking over the net? - Andreas

youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube. - vijay

You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition - Marcos Marado

The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML.... more... - Paul Buchheit

@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth. - Joel Webber

There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript. - Steve Temple

Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to! - Marcos Marado from fftogo

because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential - Mike Chelen

@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :) - Ihar Mahaniok

Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based. - Willowdale

@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well? - ianf ⌘

I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video - Scott Radcliff

I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like. - ianf ⌘

to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well - Chris Hofmann

somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight) - Karim

If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser. - Jeff Weber

Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though. - Scott Radcliff from email

Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do. - Saad Kamal

not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon. - Darren Stuart

Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on... more... - Kaan Bingol

People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA. - Hayes Haugen

Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support? - Paul Buchheit

I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial. - Hayes Haugen

Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-) - Karim

Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution? - Hayes Haugen

i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-) - Karim

How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements. - Derek Wei

All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;) - Hayes Haugen

Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow. - Ray Cromwell

That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch. - Scott Radcliff from email

I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it. - Nick Lothian

Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT - Ray Cromwell

I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is... more... - Fa La La La Lindsay

Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird. - Michael R. Bernstein

lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity... - mike "glemak" dunn

Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript. - Sebastian Wain

It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better. - Victor Ganata

...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is... more... - .LAG liked that

Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes... more... - ianf ⌘

I like this post! - Mohammad Abdurraafay from iPhone

I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows. - Victor Ganata

ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh> - .LAG liked that

alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid... - Mike Chelen from IM

that only covers video and audio... *sigh* - Ed F from IM

Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube - Mike Chelen

I know, and it seems I'm the only one who mentions Flash's other uses... :-/ - Ed F from IM

Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block - Mike Chelen

Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash. - Ed F

Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck. - LANjackal

But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p... - Victor Ganata

write them yourself then. until then, I'll stick with desktop apps or Flash equivalents - Ed F from IM

I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it. - Victor Ganata

Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it... more... - .LAG liked that

Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough - Mike Chelen

LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme... - Mike Chelen

Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree - Charlie Anzman

still haven't updated yet. Busy with something on Firefox - LANjackal from IM

What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game... more... - Gabe

Yeah the video spec for HTML5 is currently a disaster - LANjackal from IM

Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology? - Kari Honkanen

Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL. - Paul Buchheit

Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future... more... - Kari Honkanen

I agree that the future is neither open nor closed, but a mixture of the 2. Been preaching that for a while now, but then again there are the fanatics on either side who can't see anything other than a homogenous future - LANjackal from IM

I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues... more... - Ray Cromwell

Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.' - Cliff Gerrish

MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :) - Claudio Cicali ♋

MSFT sucks Claudio :) - Orlando Pozo

@caludio: They've already done that, somewhat. Silverlight 4 Beta supports Chrome. However I'm pretty sure it's probably technically impractical to run another browser atop Chrome OS anyway - LANjackal from IM

Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me. - Karoli

If the concept of open source didn't allow for competitive business plans then quite a few companies that depend on it wouldn't exist. The "happy smiley" image most FOSS zealots promote isn't reflective of reality. There will always be competition, even among the free - LANjackal from IM

I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it). - Paul Buchheit

I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong). - Johnny Worthington

Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there. - Paul Buchheit

Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel. - Victor Ganata

@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway. - Nick Lothian

My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL. - Gabe

not rly, the defeat of Flash & SL depends on the rise of HTML5, which will b supported by multiple browsers. Unfortunately spec disagreements r holding that up. That's another advantage of closed systems : fewer cooks often makes the broth get done faster lol - LANjackal from IM

it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis... - Mike Chelen

How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare. - Gabe

@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed? - Nick Lothian

HTML 5's not "missing" much in terms of its ambition. What it's missing is a consensus among its contributors. Flash and SL have gone through several iterations while HTML 5's been sitting there - LANjackal from IM

Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps. - Gabe

@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion). - Joel Webber

So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS? - Cliff Gerrish

No they won't, because it Silverlight already runs on Chrome as of Beta 4 - LANjackal from IM

Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me. - Gabe

@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff. - Nick Lothian

Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself. - Gabe

Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity. - Dan Douglass

Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser. - Dan Douglass

Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash. - Gabe

Anyone else think Joy is Spam? - Chris Myles

already reported it yesterday :) - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Louis Gray

How Facebook's News Feed Failed Me (And My Family) - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...

November 18 from louisgray.com - Comment - Like - Share

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Congratulations on being an uncle, Louis! Did your family assume you'd see the Facebook updates and that's why they didn't call? I just can't imagine one of my siblings giving birth without an actual phone call from a relative, but maybe I'm an old fuddy-duddy and my family is not as online as yours is. - Stephen Mack

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*poke* - Johnny Worthington

It's an odd thing. Yes, they assumed we would see the FB updates. They also thought it wasn't their news to announce/call everyone (yet FBing was okay). If you remember when we had our twins, we too started with Twitter/FF, but that was due to it being 1 a.m. We called everyone in the morning. - Louis Gray

found that pouring facebook status updates into Feedly via RSS, and prioritising a 'friends' category (which includes blogs etc) works better than trawling through the live feed, or news feed, or whatever. Not sure if there's a way to RSS photo stories yet, nor profile changes, but notifications and status updates work a treat. But I can imagine the chagrin of having your family deprioritised for you. - Rob Kramer

i like the movement of the hands in the video! - Allen Stern

lulz@ Stephen Mack - LarchOye

sorry to hear about the missed event, but congratulations to you and your family. I'm glad everything worked out well. Btw, I found a little lost kitten... - Jim: Dead Like FF

I've made a Family feed and set it as my default for exactly this reason; they use Facebook for sharing when they feel they *need* to or when something important happens, and so aren't posting every day and it gets lost in the stream of friends', colleagues' and Page updates. - Andrew Terry

this is exactly why I don't follow thousands on Facebook. My whole stream is valuable to me as a result. - Bill Kinney

I didn't even know the "news feed" was supposed to gauge relevance or was different than the old wall. I don't get Facebook. I do use lists, that has helped a tiny bit, but my nieces use Facebook so heavily that they still push other Family content off the first page of that list. You didn't actually expect Facebook to perform as well as Friendfeed in this instance, did you? - Laura Norvig

It doesn't gauge relevance, it gauges interest. Items with more comments and likes and such get pushed to the News Feed. If all you browse is the News Feed, then you're only seeing the highlights. I would have thought this was perfectly clear. The Live Feed is the same as the old News Feed: noisy as hell, just like it was before. I believe the News Feed algorithm also takes into account who you regularly interact with (by liking, leaving comments, etc) and bumps them up the list as well. - Otto

I recognize the way that Facebook tries to gauge interest. They correctly noted that I had previously ignored my sister's updates, and assumed the latest updates would be similarly irrelevant. The major point is that in the live feed scenario, I would have had multiple opportunities to see the updates, whereas in the news feed scenario, I never did. - Louis Gray

I would love to be able to select the lists (of friends) that will contribute to my news and live feeds (unselected friend posts would NOT appear). The ability to "tune the noise" of individuals via comments and likes (like friendfeed) would also be extremely helpful. - Chris Myles

You can bias the feeds more towards certain people. Just go to the bottom of the feed and click Edit Options. On the left hand side of the box is "Show More" with a user dialog in it. Type the name of the person you want to see more of to add them to the more list. The right hand side is a block list, if you want to not see somebody's updates. Blocking somebody blocks them from both feeds. Showing somebody more only seems to apply to the News Feed as far as I can tell. - Otto

Otto, I have played with those options and they do help.. but the noise still gets through. With block, it's all or nothing, they disappear from ALL lists. I want to block (lists of) people from the primary feeds, but still have them available in other lists, for those (rare) moments when I have extra time. - Chris Myles

Matt Mullenweg

Feld Thoughts : I'm A WordPress Fanboy - http://www.feld.com/wp...

December 21, 2008 from Intense Debate - Comment - Like - Share

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"Welcome to the family. :)" - Matt Mullenweg

odily4ritaa@yahoo.co.uk hello My name is Rita Odily ,i saw your profile today and became interested in you,i will also like to know you the more and i want you to send an email to my privet email address so i can send you my picture for you to know whom i am. Here is my email address(odily4ritaa@yahoo.co.uk) I believe we can move from here! I am waiting for your mail to my privet email address above. see your reply soon. Rita - rita odily

Chris Brogan

100 Ways to Measure Social Media - http://www.marketersstudio.com/2009...

November 18 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Kevin Fox

Video: Arm Chair Reaches 98,268 Feet in New Toshiba Commercial - http://gizmodo.com/5405517...

November 16 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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The video is beautiful and awesome. - Kevin Fox from Bookmarklet

Paul Buchheit

Introduction to Tart — a general-purpose, strongly-typed programming language - http://viridia.org/project...

November 11 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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I hadn't heard of this one before -- apparently its from Python people. Soundss nice! "Some of these motivations are: * The desire for a language that would combine the simplicity and readability of Python with the power of static typing and template metapgrogramming, as well as modern language features such as closures and generic functions. * The desire for a compiler that compiles to highly efficient native code instead of a VM. * The desire for a language which would fulfill the same role as C++, but designed from scratch with the benefit of hindsight. * The desire for a language which would fulfill the same role as Java, but more concise and requiring less verbose boilerplate." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

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Is there a provision for types that are dynamically bound, or is it all strongly-typed? - Cristo

I wonder if the the nullable? feature is just as much as PITA as const in C++. - Gary Burd

oh i was thinking how could i have liked it when i haven't even read it in recent times, good work http://friendfeed.com/jimminy - ffcode

oh, R is going to like this, he's all for strongly typed languages. has it got aspects? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Gary: My experience with C# makes me suspect that explicitly nullable references are going to be the occasional annoyance, not the plague of C++'s const. - Gabe

what is going on? a new language every week! there would not be enough computers in this world to run all these languages - Tzury Bar Yochay

Still reinventing the wheel, are we? This really puzzles me to no end..why do they think they need to create more 3rd generation programming languages like Google Go & now this "Tart" thing, when what we really need are everyday useful 4GL and 5GL languages/systems/frameworks that would really move us forward. If we keep things going the way these guys are, THE MACHINES WIN.. - Alex Schleber

Alex: What defines a 4GL or 5GL such that languages like Go, Tart, and C# don't qualify? - Gabe

Gabe, if your average C programmer isn't confused by them, they don't qualify as 4GL or 5GL languages. ;) - Cristo

Looks interesting. I tried to find this "Talin" person and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... As fascinating as proteins are, I don't think an individual one is up to creating a programming language. :-) - Ruchira S. Datta

Ruchira, you might find these links helpful: http://viridia.org/ and http://www.sylvantech.com/talin... - Michael R. Bernstein

Leo Laporte

Docs Are Old-School, We Need PageRank for People - http://threeminds.organic.com/2009...

June 14 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"PageRank assigns a reputation score to the URL where content is published. This makes it a great fit for content that stays put in one location. However, evolving content distribution via blogs, RSS, guest columns, and syndication are a challenge for PageRank. Tweets, retweets, micropublishing, ratings, and comments - even bigger problems. The solution lies in associating reputation with the identity of the author - a PageRank for People." - Leo Laporte from Bookmarklet

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Reminds me of "wuffie" where personal reputation replaces monetary wealth in Cory Doctorow's DOWN AND OUT IN THE MAGIC KINGDOM. - Liam Watts

I love that comic. Makes me chukle every time. - Roberto Bonini

Doctors are catching on to this and have slipped a "patient will not post online comments about doctor" clause into their standard forms. You don't even know you've agreed to it unless you read the whole thing, and who does that? - jjjobst

Desirable, but immensely difficult: how do you define a "person" for rank purposes? We are talking here about a huge collection of disparate things. And, what if, contrary to the online reputation, the real reputation sucks? - Nikos Anagnostou

Agree that we need a soltion for this but a Nikos touches upon is need to agree definitions of scope. Others male valid point also some further discussion and thinking required. - Najeeb Mirza

PersonRank tied to (possibly) OpenId anyone? ...Everytime I click „Like“ FF brain is assigning whuffie to the author of a message. - Mindaugas Dagys

Great analogy Liam. Loved that book. - dthree

Doesn't Googles Sentiment Analysis a step in the right direction? It infers sentiment to rank http://www.seobythesea.com/... and “service,” “value,” and “general comments.” Aspects are defined in one of Google’s papers on sentiment analysis as “properties of an object that can be rated by a user.” Unfortunately, Google is attempting to Patent this process. - Greg

Yup. This made me think of "Down and out in the Magic Kingdom" too. If you haven't read it, it's worth it. - Chad McCoskey

I would say not desirable - relevance is highly relative when it comes to people, and frankly anything that ranks people by the noise they make online and how many people they can get to claim they are great... will produce the wrong kind of behaviour - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I agree with Joelle, mostly. The exceptions would be for trolls and spammers -- it's too much work to be on a constant lookout for trolling, and I'd really like to have an automatic metric which would enable me to automatically filter out such rubbish. - Nathaniel Thurston

leo: yes indeed, and such a content filter would work well by taking into account the distance through the social graph between the author and each reader, rather than using a fixed measure of the author's reputation for all readers. - Bob Hitching from fftogo

Nathaniel - I might agree for spammers, but "trolls" are a difficult thing. Many game changing people were labelled troublemakers first, today we'd call them trolls... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Hi Guys - I'm the author of the original article. One thing to keep in mind is that this system could be made topic sensitive. We'd be looking at total contribution/reputation for each person for a specific social graph relating to a specific topic. Is some ways this would be like mapping the Hilltop/HITS algorithms used in algorithmic text search to the social space. The similarity is... more... - Marshall Clark

The problem with any such measure is that some people will take it far too seriously - make it into something authoritative instead of something helpful - and some people will game it. I dont want to have to think about my "score" in any field and have to "work" in the way the score measure in order to be taken seriously - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Interesting post, I was just thinking today when reading about Listiti.com about how Twitter Lists plus this new form of "Track"/search on them can at least partially solve that problem: Just pick a reputable List, one that is large enough to create a thorough but vetted "universe of discourse" (e.g. Scoble's Tech-News-Brands with 500 entries). Then you're searching over that set, and not over the entire freaking Internet. This pretty much bypasses all of Google's PR machinations and their gaming by SEOs. - Alex Schleber

On SocialToo we're assigning a rank to people based on various points assigned by other people they come in contact (via follow, dms, etc). It has the potential to become this. - Jesse Stay

Yep eBay comes to mind A+++++ Quick operator will deal with again!!!!!!!!!111one - Phill Price from iPhone

But isnt the problem then that all you see and hear is from the "big guys" who are already established, as defined by "in" players who by nature will want to be in the "big guys" good books? We're right back in the landscape of television, where the barrier of entry for new players is high, opinion and value is centrally defined... and we get lower quality and service as none of them tries very hard... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Paul Buchheit

An early birthday present: The Gmail Javascript compiler was just open-sourced! http://code.google.com/closure... (it compiles JS into smaller, faster JS)

November 5 - Comment - Like - Share

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We first started work on it almost 8 years ago. It has come a long way since then :) - Paul Buchheit

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Happy Birthday Paul! - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

Today is actually just my internet birthday. - Paul Buchheit

Well, thanks :) But for a verbose API I'll stick with YUI :P Have to inspect the power of templating and compiler, though. - Claudio Cicali ♋

I wonder what happens when you apply it recursively -- can you get down to 1 byte of code that takes no time to execute? ;=) - Brian Sullivan

Finally! This is great. - Tudor Bosman

Happy Birthday! - Robert Scoble

Nice! - Micah Wittman

Unfortunately it looks like the internationalization features may be missing. I wonder why those were removed? (or if I'm just not seeing it) - Paul Buchheit

Paul you are my best-friend :`( - \(*_*)/

if you were starting a new site today, would you use this over jquery (which friendfeed uses)? - Karl Rosaen

Karl, jquery is a library, this is a compiler. I would use them both. - Paul Buchheit

well, i mean closure library :) but yeah, they could be used together - Karl Rosaen

ah, i see this is a link closure compiler, not the broader closure tools. - Karl Rosaen

Refactoring, JS style. - Gabe

Now, this is a good news - Ozkan Altuner

@Paul the Closure project has three components: compiler, library, and template language. Looks like the Closure/library might be competing with jQuery. - Shakeel Mahate

this is sweet! - Jay

I think jQuery does a lot of stuff that might confuse the compiler, e.g. iterating over an array of string function names and creating new function wrappers (look at the way the parent/child/next/prev/etc functions get installed) The Closure library is also full of type annotations that help the compiler make better optimization choices, so you're likely to get a better compiled outcome using Closure than jQuery + fixes + compiler - Ray Cromwell

@paul -- I know you've been wanting this opensourced for a long time. sorry it took such a long time. Nick Santos and the jscompiler team has finally done it! Cheers! - Jing Lim

Happy Birthday - ashish

Many happy returns!! - Лосось норвежской выделки

Happy Birthday, Paul! - Andrew Terry

Happy Birthday Paul - Sandeep Kalidindi

Happy B'day Paul! don't be evil :) - sirishkumar

Congratulations to the team (and @Paul & Jing) -- I know everyone's been waiting a long time for this. For anyone considering whether to use jQuery vs Closure, consider that they're meant for largely different purposes. jQuery's good for enhancing static web pages; Closure's much better at building large apps. And as Ray points out above, Closure the library is going to get much better results from Closure the compiler than an arbitrary js library would, because of all the type annotations. - Joel Webber

Paul Buchheit has been at the top of my best of pages all month. Rock on, Paul. - Donald C. Lindsay

Hey HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAUL !!! Cool present!! <insert CAKE> :D - Susan Beebe

Paul, any comment on this write up? http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs... - Sachin

That writeup is trolling for traffic IMHO. Nit picking 50 lines out of 200+ thousand (written for readability, which get compiled and optimized), providing no benchmarks for claims, and spending half the time bashing Java, it just seems to be struggling to find something wrong with Closure. - Ray Cromwell

Sachin: he seems to be commenting on Closure the JS library, not Closure the JS compiler (that Paul's post was about). And he may be a douchebag, but I haven't seen anything I disagree with. - Gabe

@Sachin: I hate to be too harsh, but that post is pretty much garbage. From what I can tell he's pretty much managed to enumerate some of the worst things about Javascript -- nitpicking the code for referencing "undefined" directly without declaring it as an uninitialized local? That's insane. Following this advice is mostly a recipe for an unreadable mess. Also, look in the comments for several refutations of the idea that some of these are even optimizations. - Joel Webber

Joel, you're just not man enough to handle a language where 'top' is an implicitly reserved keyword, and 'undefined' which should be, isn't. But it could be worse, 'null' could be something you could override. :) - Ray Cromwell

Louis Gray

Defrag Speakers Display Skepticism Over Current State of Social Web - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...

November 11 from louisgray.com - Comment - Like - Share

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Excellent. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Kind of a testimonial for FriendFeed, at least the "link vomit" can come with more context, the poster can add the interesting quotes and context in comments, and others can build on it. - Ed Millard

So you guys think that blog posts about conferences are useful? Because if you do, I'll keep going. - Louis Gray

Oh, heck yeah, Louis. - Michael R. Bernstein

Very useful to get the highlights, wouldn't actually want to sit through defrag but nice to know what is being said. - Ed Millard

I liked the post but I was hoping for some more engagement on my comment re: Stowe. I manged to get that by floating the same idea into the 2.0 Adoption Council's Yammer group but nothing on the public web. - Daniel J. Pritchett

This is very useful; please keep posting such info.. - Pavan

Louis Gray

LEAKED: The Facebook Ads API - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...

November 11 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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/blocks Jesse again - Louis Gray

And it's all gone...I gave opportunity to find it :-) - Jesse Stay

Doh! - Mark Essel from iPhone

mike "glemak" dunn

When Tweeting Costs You Your Job (as reported by me on NBC) - http://jbruin.posterous.com/when-tw...

November 11 from Backtype - Comment - Like - Share

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"nice job jenn :)" - mike "glemak" dunn

Aaron Crews

Superfeedr : Real-time feed parsing in the cloud for web-developers - http://superfeedr.com/

September 3 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Real-time rss client - Aaron Crews

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Let me know what you think and if I can help with Superfeedr :) - Julien

True to form, that comment came quickly! I'm trying to sort out the best way to get real-time notifications of posts inside a firewall. Pubsubhubbub won't work because I don't want to send feed contents. I'm looking at RSScloud. That'll ping some service through the firewall, which will notify me (back inside the firewall), and then my client can retrieve the content. - Aaron Crews

Why don't you want to send the feed contents? Are they authenticated feeds? - Brett Slatkin

They're generated inside the firewall, so for legal reasons, etc, I want to keep the content in the enterprise. - Aaron Crews

Another option could be hosting my own private pubsubhub since it's open-source, but I don't know of any good clients that I could use. - Aaron Crews

PubSubHubbub (and rssCloud) are primarily for doing messaging between two separate providers. It's an integration protocol. If you're entirely behind the firewall, why not use a simple message queueing service like Starling or RabbitMQ? - Brett Slatkin

Brett - the simple answer is because I didn't know about Starling or RabbitMQ :) Thanks for the suggestions. I'll have to look them up. - Aaron Crews

Well, I guess you find your way;) At superfeedr, we have an XMPP API that passes through firewalls pretty easily, maybe it's worth looking into that direction as well? - Julien

Julien - that's very interesting. XMPP would work great, too. I am interested in that option. A lot of cool stuff to look into, including the multiuser chat. - Aaron Crews

Good! Well, you know where to find me if you have any question/problem... - Julien

Just now getting to this - looks like I can do some fancy things with RabbitMQ, the ejabberd XMPP gateway, and rabbithub (http://github.com/tonyg...). - Aaron Crews

Yup. Please send an email with more questions (julien@superfeedr.com), I'd be happy to answer! - testingsupsuperfeedr

andy brudtkuhl

5 Reasons to Use the New Twitter List Feature - http://webstrategydigest.com/5-reaso...

November 9 from Posterous - Comment - Like - Share

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Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, Paul Buchheit

Fwd: Looks like the connection between FriendFeed and Twitter is no longer real-time. Wonder who is to blame? (via http://friendfeed.com/carnage...)

November 7 - Comment - Like - Share

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It was previously mentioned as an issue on Twitter's side. FriendFeed is polling now. - Louis Gray

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what? It's OK now? Or is it true that "Paul Bucheit wrote that they no longer had access to Twitter's firehose, so it sounds like it may have had something to do with Facebook's acquiring them, but don't quote me on that. - Jorge Escobar" - Steve Gillmor

I think both Louis and Jorge are saying the same thing - Jesse Stay

Right, I'd like to hear Paul or Bret confirm that. - Steve Gillmor

Well, on a maybe related note, the Innovation Management Group (http://friendfeed.com/innovat...) has not updated for 24 hours now. That Group includes direct Twitter accounts, Twitter searches, Delicious RSS for a specific tag and SlideShares with a specific tag. No update at all for 24+ hours. Most odd and frustrating. - Hutch Carpenter

also not finding older posts in search that used to be there. did this change too? - Brooks Bayne

Twitter shut off the firehose, but made available a replacement API called birddog. We're about ready to switch that on (which will restore realtime Twitter updates), but are waiting on some final approvals from legal. I'm hoping it will all be resolved this week. - Paul Buchheit

mmm - Johni Fisher

thx for the feedback, paul - Steve Gillmor

customer service in realtime :) - Michael Slattery

DeWitt Clinton

Posterous adds PubSubHubbub support for real-time syndication: http://blog.posterous.com/managin.... (Guess who just became my microblog of choice?)

November 9 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Via Brett (http://www.google.com/reader...) - DeWitt Clinton

Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Why Your YouTube Views Are Down for New Videos - http://willvideoforfood.com/2009...

November 9 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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What an SEO play. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Wow...that guy is a genius... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

He really is. :-) - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins from IM

Louis Gray

Analyzing Twitter Lists-Follower Ratio As An Indicator of Influence | Skeptic Geek - http://www.skepticgeek.com/microbl...

November 7 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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So, no correlation. And I was so happy about being listed. Oh well... - Ignacio Rodriguez de R,

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As I told Mahrendra, I could make my numbers look a lot better by reducing my feed by thousands of followers, and thereby increasing my ratio. - Louis Gray

My "respect ratio" is 29. Do I get a prize? - Call me Bronco

My Twitter List weigh-in: http://sharisax.com/2009... - Shari Weiss

And as I replied to Louis, anyone can game Twitter, and he doesn't need to anyway. :) - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

Nice post Mahrendra. I have noticed people with >50k followers on 6/8 lists and those with 500 followers on 20 lists. When I've checked them out, all those accounts with the massive follower counts were basically using Twitter as a broadcast medium. Thanks for the post. - Jim Connolly

Thank you, Jim. The phenomenon you describe was one of the things that led me to investigate this further. :) - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

michael sean wright

Portrait of inventor who saw the big picture Kodak - The Irish Times -

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