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Holding Republicans Accountable - http://my.barackobama.com/page...
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Cumhuriyetçi yavşaklar akıllı olsun başganım cCc
- Atilla®
My vote for Obama was not a blank check. This is not Venezuela.
- scott anderson
What? Are you one of these idiots, that find health reform "too socialist"?
- Atilla®
lan marsık n'oldu küstün mü?
- Atilla®
what's wrong with venezuela, scott? I'm from venezuela and i wanna know what's wrong with us?
- zeykur valekov
Atilla®: In my opinion the best implementation of health care reform can only happen through a system of representative government and open debate. The article I am commenting on condones bypassing this system by those that assume that everyone who voted for Obama are lemmings. My concern is with the unapologetic arrogance of the actions promoted in the article which could indicate a drift towards a totalitarian mentality by those in power.
- scott anderson
scott democracy is not dictatorship of majority right? if a government believe this will be better for both state and people let them to make it if they fail their asses will be kicked at elections wont they?
- Atilla®
By the way that was my last "serious" message. From nowon I'll keep, what I was willing to do trolling. So obey your masters you lower form of humankind cCc
- Atilla®
The two party system that exists today in the U.S. is a corrupt duopoly. Until we have true political reform where ideas outside of the DNC and RNC get consideration, real progress will be severely constrained or unattainable.
- scott anderson
Don't worry when we establish our great turgish empire. You will become our slaves and won't have such problems cCc
- Atilla®
i asked whats wrong with venezuela?
- zeykur valekov
the problem with venezuella is; its full of venezuellans!!!
- Atilla®
zeykur: The influence that Hugo Chávez and his supporters have attained in Latin America concerns me. Totalitarianism doesn't work and is very dangerous. I have no problem with the people of Venezuela that do not support his views.
- scott anderson
When our empire is established Chavez will be one of first executions!!11!!
- Atilla®
Why the fuck it concerns you? You're from USA. Hugo Chavez is our leader like Obama and we as Venezuelans are going after Chavez. Cuz he's the best leader in the world, gas is like 0.1$ for 1 liter here. That's life. Life is not AMERICAN IMPERIALISM, life is SOCIALISM!!!!
- zeykur valekov
Chávez wants nukes.
- scott anderson
I can has nukes!!!
- Atilla®
Ohh, what? We don't like you freak AMERICANS. We obey the path of M.Kemal Atatürk as "peace at home peace in the world"
- zeykur valekov
Oh dear zeykur do you also recognize greatness of our father?
- Atilla®
Atilla, are you from Turkey? Yes, we learn the life of GAZI MUSTAFA KEMAL here, in our schools.
- zeykur valekov
I am proudly turgish brother and I want to cry after hearing that :'( I am proud of greatness of our culture!!! cCc
- Atilla®
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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curious what people make of the new RT on twitter
- Christopher Harris
and Google's acquisitions of Admob and Gizmo5
- Vezquex: God of FF
We should start shortly, I'm still waiting for Steve Gillmor to call me up.
- Robert Scoble
ready for Gillmor Gang with @jobsworth
- Kevin Marks
Livestream launches free live streaming to iPhone and iPod Touch Safari. http://iphone.livestream.com/
- Vezquex: God of FF
On the call, should start shortly.
- Robert Scoble
New New York Times sounds like something from Futurama.
- Vezquex: God of FF
snap, iPhone
- Vezquex: God of FF
So... is Palm dead?
- Ken Sheppardson
What's palm?
- Cliff Gerrish
You remember, Cliff... the last company to release a phone the Robert said was better than the iphone.
- Ken Sheppardson
whining about a default setting?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Didn't 3com used to own them...
- Cliff Gerrish
Before the Apple people took over...
- Ken Sheppardson
I like that slogan: "It's geekier"
- Cliff Gerrish
No, Android is Linux to Apple's Apple.
- Ken Sheppardson
iPhone = Windows, Palm = Apple, Android = Linux ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble needs something to argue about to feel relevant
- scott anderson
Maybe Microsoft should release a phone operating system...
- Ken Sheppardson
Here we go...
- Mike Doeff
Hold on, hold on... Michael... did you *pay* for that Droid?
- Ken Sheppardson
that was bizarre. i was getting overlapping audio. And Ken, you are a naughty, naughty boy. :)
- Karoli
Ken - you trouble maker you!
- Rob La Gesse
scott: give me a break.
- Robert Scoble
I bought my own Droid.
- Robert Scoble
I'm buying a Droid tomorrow - on a G1 now
- Kevin Marks
I'm afraid to try the Droid as I'm pretty heavily emotionally invested in the Pre :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
dang, you guys are really making me want a Droid. And Scoble hating is a great bonus.
- Vezquex: God of FF
geeks make me laugh...the latest and greatest rivalries of geek toys. too bad Aron's not here to be one of the cool kids.
- Karoli
As we saw with the Pre, you can say some device "single handedly restored" whatever, but just wait six months...
- Ken Sheppardson
Is the web the platform, or are we seeing 2 or 3 new platforms in this space?
- Cliff Gerrish
The web is the one true platform.
- Vezquex: God of FF
one platform to rule them all?
- Karoli
These guys are pissing me off..give me a break talking about how much better the apps are - Android just needs a little more time until the apps are mature - iPhone didn't have apps at first. The 1st version of the Facebook app wasn't perfect, there have been enhancements, upgrades etc
- Kenny
what nokia is dead?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What market doesn't have one big 50% market share leader and 2-3 alternative smaller players?
- Ken Sheppardson
the Android OS is an integrated component model where iPhone is a monolithic app model
- scott anderson
The fact that Android is now getting momentum means, more, and better apps are coming very soon. Loving my HTC Hero !!!
- Jim @TechFrog Alden
Who's the really old guy leading this whole thing?
- Kenny
It is too soon to draw conclusions, folks.
- Mona Nomura
Kenny: Steve Gillmor.
- Robert Scoble
Kenny: I can't compare products based on what might be. I have to look at WHAT IS!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Mona: Is it too early to draw the conclusion that more than one option can survive? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Robert
- Kenny
Android is where the market is heading, more so outside the US, where iphone is a bit player.
- mark w webster
mark: when I travel overseas I see iPhone usage very heavy.
- Robert Scoble
I am very happy with my Droid. The apps are updating for the new Android 2.0. A new update to Twidroid will be out next week according to a tweet from the developer today.
- Mike Shulman
mono is being ported to Android
- scott anderson
you mix with geeks Robert :)
- mark w webster
True Robert, but I think Android will only improve as time goes on, just like Apple and the iPhone did.
- Kenny
I can see the back of Robert Scoble's head right now. This is too much real time web. ;)
- Eric @ CS Techcast
The bar should not be set solely on platform and hardware -- the devs are a huge part of a phone's success. If Android developers step up, and the iPhone stays proprietary to AT&T, that opens up a whole new ball game.
- Mona Nomura
HTML5 may make the apps more irrelevant.
- Rob La Gesse
How is it that guys like this who love Tech, are considered the Top of Social Media all have the worst Web Cams, Audio Levels at all ranges and are crying about cutting each off like they are in some Playground, this is why nobody pays attention to them, blah!
- Lorenzo
the Droid is just one phone. think about the difference between G1 and Droid. the next leap will be just as significant.
- scott anderson
Not if your data plan cannot support it. AT&T's 3G is garbage and I don't have the patience to wait for sites to load. Hence, apps FTW.
- Mona Nomura
HTML5 is key - the new platform for mobile web on all phones
- Kevin Marks
I love all the commentary regarding Apple control of the app store. You should have tried building apps for Verizon. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get an application cleared to be put into their deck. You couldn't even write apps for Verizon if you didn't have a small war chest.
- Jerry Schuman
Mona, agree 100%
- Karoli
Even RIM hardcore fans are ready to jump to Android.
- Karoli
I suspect the most disruptive thing to happen to the handset industry will be a regulatory end to carrier lock in in the next 3-5 years.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Lorenzo I am a big fan of these guys. By the way, who was that guy in the East Coast Vegas video?
- PC Easy
Am I really listening to grown men talk about Cell Phones? This country is doomed
- Lorenzo
iphone market share over here tops less than 5%, though app availability is high on buyers minds, Android is making good strides in that area, it's a two horse race IMO.
- mark w webster
RIM will be implementing WebKit browser in 2010
- Marc Delurgio
RIM hasn't progressed - at all, and their attempts have been nothing but FAIL. BB Storm? Really??
- Mona Nomura
ending carrier lock would be awesome!
- Vezquex: God of FF
Lorenzo - you don;t have to watch/listen...
- Kenny
I know kenny, however i think im permitted to give my opinion as long as I dont use vulgarity
- Lorenzo
Changing the balance of power for phone development is key. The platform has been taken away from the telecoms.
- Cliff Gerrish
I call bullshit on that fact. Get ready when each different handset starts having different requirements.
- Jerry Schuman
True
- Kenny
And those who keep bringing up HTML5, perhaps on Verizon's data it may run fine but on AT&T's unreliable 3G? NO. CDMA ftw.
- Mona Nomura
I still think for a polished product that is easy to pick up and use, the Palm Pre is still my Favorite.
- Luke Kilpatrick
100k iPhone apps doesn't matter - make 50 essential apps are avail for top 4 platforms, then the playing field is leveled
- Marc Delurgio
I'm a big fan of Google Voice, except for the translations - they're pretty bad
- Kenny
I'm sure I'm wrong, but I expect Android to take over handsets the same way Linux has taken over the desktop :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
lol
- Kenny
Scoble - I have ridden with you while you use a cell phone for navigation - it is VERY scary!
- Rob La Gesse
Palm Pre was introduced only recently here, a real Turkey, just in time for Xmas.
- mark w webster
Lorenzo - I've seen you on Twitter and I know you use vulgarity.
- PC Easy
Apple doesn't do cloud services. A single iPhone app developer will have a hard time competing with Google on that front.
- scott anderson
Android will take over handsets because Windows Mobile is pitiful and iPhone OS is not available to 3rd-party devices.
- Vezquex: God of FF
PCEasy, are you not the person on twitter that continues to make horrible comments about Leo's face?
- Lorenzo
Rob: that's because iPhone doesn't do turn-by-turn so you have to look at the screen.
- Robert Scoble
WM is dead, or at least, its in dire need of defibrilation
- mark w webster
I still think the Droid reminds me of the feel of a 80's Transformer. I think the HTC Hero is a much more polished phone and will get better with Android 2.0.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Google Nav does work pretty well, especially since its free, but it does need some improvements - but it's good enough that I canceled my Verizon Navigator
- Kenny
apps will die - web apps will prevail
- Marc Delurgio
IT's on all these devices, Steve
- Ken Sheppardson
The Pre does turn by turn, for free and it works great. I still think the Google map app is pretty good.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Robert Scoble, why is it you top tech geeks cant get your audibles to the same level, let alone have a decent webcam? Also, do you feel that 1938Media is slightly over-rated? Thank you
- Lorenzo
HTML5 is not Reality. Not until we get rid of IE6
- Luke Kilpatrick
Lorenzo: that's Steve Gillmor who has control of audio levels.
- Robert Scoble
Luke: IE6 isn't a problem on smartphones :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
IE6 is dead. anyone who develops for it is a fool.
- Karoli
Who is 1938media? I heard he's telling lies but I blocked him so I don't know what he's up to.
- Robert Scoble
Robbie Scobbie, I thank you.
- Lorenzo
The levels aren't perfect but still pretty good considering that you have 5 different people in 5 different locations on laptops
- Kenny
He always talks crap about you on twitter to pceasy
- Lorenzo
Chrome and Safari
- Jerry Schuman
firefox for when I need firebug
- Jerry Schuman
Lorenzo: I don't care. He lies. That's all I need to know.
- Robert Scoble
IE only when my machine needs to dial home to Microsoft for something
- Ken Sheppardson
I tried Chrome in Ubuntu and couldn't access any https:// pages.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Yes but as a developer that builds web apps I still have to target IE6 which sucks majorly but its still the standard at enterprise.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Android is licensed with Apache 2.0, a very business-friendly open source license
- scott anderson
Every iPhone developer enters a royalty agreement with Apple.
- Rob La Gesse
"Large market share" isn't the same thing as "network effect"
- Ken Sheppardson
IE6 is the main reason I like doing Mobile dev better than just core web dev as you only need to target 1 main rendering engine - Webkit. Although there are some differences between iPhone, Andriod and Palm Pre. iPhone has the best implementation.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Still waiting on my Ribbit Voice invite code.
- Jerry Schuman
Whos the heavy breather? :)
- Kenny
Jerry, use gang09
- Cliff Gerrish
thanks cliff
- Jerry Schuman
Neat. Will Ribbit have VOIP? Is it free?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Holy Macro, what a time I had getting here.
- Matt Terenzio
So, can we use Ribbit + iPhone to equal GoogleVoice + Droid?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff Basically.
- Robert Scoble
Although I will compare those this weekend.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, that breathing is creepy
- Jim @TechFrog Alden
What happened, Matt? Your FF browser crash? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Hm... that code just gets me an "account reserved"....
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey Kevin, give the live web audience a ribbit code...
- Cliff Gerrish
ribbit code for gillmor gang listeners is "gang09" sign up at ribbit.com
- Kevin Marks
Had to reboot everything was moving slowwww
- Matt Terenzio
Kevin: But that just gets you a "Ribbit Account Reserved" email?
- Ken Sheppardson
sweet, thanks Kevin Marks.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Should kids have a google voice number? With parents controlling the switchboard?
- Cliff Gerrish
the accounts will go out over the next few days Ken
- Kevin Marks
Cool. Thanks, Kevin.
- Ken Sheppardson
LOL
- Kenny
looking forward to trying ribbit....
- Karoli
On the net - Apple could fade like AOL, The Apple Tablet will make Iphone, android Apps quite secondary. Phone will have a much smaller earprint.
- Arnie Klaus
double dare someone to call Scoble.
- Vezquex: God of FF
OK, everyone -- call Robert!
- Cliff Gerrish
what was that numnber??
- Kenny
I will admit - I called Robert once, trying to find him at a meet-up in Half Moon Bay. It came in handy.
- Mike Doeff
Doh, crunchpad!?!?
- Kenny
i want a crunchpad, she whined.
- Karoli
So it should be out soon??
- Kenny
will the crunchpad run Android?
- scott anderson
...or Chrome OS
- Ken Sheppardson
no contact points, composite enclosed, for kids and up
- Arnie Klaus
Chrome w/ Android plug-ins
- scott anderson
+1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Get it out before Christmas Mike.
- Mike Doeff
I'm amazed you don't get a ton of prank calls
- Kenny
+1-707-WEB-LIVE
- Matt Terenzio
Kenny: I have your phone number if you call me.
- Robert Scoble
More QVC... :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I've never called but if I need a tech opinion I might hit you up
- Kenny
tablets will replace kiosks not personal devices
- scott anderson
One handed computing - easy to misinterpret that one
- Mike Doeff
haha, one-handed computing.
- Vezquex: God of FF
books, text books, movies, homework...
- Arnie Klaus
solar
- Arnie Klaus
maps, cookbooks, phonebooks...
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Apple bought major textbook rights.
- Arnie Klaus
On train to NYC yesterday NewBiz News conference there were 8 newspapers 1 kindle and two iphones in my car. I was using iphone
- Matt Terenzio
doorbell on TV! I like this guy.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Mostly Wall Street Journals
- Matt Terenzio
Tuck that phone into my ear, on with the tablet
- Arnie Klaus
My comcast phone shows up on my tv. Really like it.
- Cliff Gerrish
my doorbell has it's own Gmail address - you can email to ring it. And no - will NOT give that number out :)
- Rob La Gesse
Remember when we all had to carry backpacks in school?
- Arnie Klaus
Wasn't Bluetooth supposed to handle all this?
- Ken Sheppardson
My backpack is in the cloud now...
- Cliff Gerrish
Alright guys, I gotta go. Keep up the good debate!
- Kenny
I need to go look at how Activitystrea.ms handle location and proximity...
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff, does that mean just on the internet or do you mean virtual hosting as in AWS or Rackspace etc
- Matt Terenzio
will iPhone apps run on all these different types of devices? does Apple have the resources to make that happen?
- scott anderson
Bump is on the Android as well
- Kenny
I just want seamless handoff between my cell phone and desk phone
- Ken Sheppardson
Matt, all sorts of cloudish locations..
- Cliff Gerrish
I ask because someone used cloud at work today and I'm pretty sure they meant just on a server. I didn't ask.
- Matt Terenzio
We don't really have an identity concept (or agency) that works with this node linking idea.
- Cliff Gerrish
Of course, my office isn't exactly Cliff level
- Matt Terenzio
It's a different level in the protocol stack, Robert
- Ken Sheppardson
tweetdeck with touch
- Arnie Klaus
i love my Kindle. LOVE IT.
- Karoli
I'm getting a Nook. Dumb name - nice device.
- Rob La Gesse
the techies are gonna be so harsh on the crunchpad
- Marc Delurgio
I love getting instant books. I love sending PDFs over for reading later. I love getting The Nation automatically.
- Karoli
Rob, I'm thinking of getting a Nook for my daughter...to compare.
- Karoli
Books will go down fast in the coming months
- Matt Terenzio
Kindel is bridge technology to the post script generation....Iʻve read many more books through audio.
- Arnie Klaus
As soon as a standard format emerges, it's over
- Matt Terenzio
The Nook looks cool but I'm waiting for the Apple Tablet.
- Robert Scoble
the Nook runs on Android
- scott anderson
Virtual roundtable time... any thoughts on spdy protocol announcement?
- Alberto Saavedra
Scoble - yes - assuming it has a bright-light readable screen. I doubt it.
- Rob La Gesse
scott, that's one of the reasons I want the Nook. (for my daughter, of course...LOL) I want to try an Android device.
- Karoli
I wish, the textbooks comes on ebook usable format instead of watered down version.
- ashish
ashish, agree. textbooks should be ebook, full version.
- Karoli
Using the term "open" to mean seven different things at the same time can be a problem...
- Ken Sheppardson
@ken - glad you opened that line of thought
- Rob La Gesse
Ken: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
imagine if our phones ran on closed networks
- scott anderson
It's really just a question of whether any node can listen and talk over the network.
- Cliff Gerrish
How do we define variable communities?
- Arnie Klaus
Scott: they would be like IM was for years.
- Robert Scoble
Scott: They do. Call Sprint and ask them if you can use your iPhone on the "open" phone network. Or the device you slapped together from parts you got at Fry's
- Ken Sheppardson
good comment Robert (there's your break)
- scott anderson
Good show, Steve. Thanks to all.
- Karoli
thanks, all!
- Rob La Gesse
Great show, thanks.
- Mike Doeff
laters
- Vezquex: God of FF
Will the textbook publishers allow that to happen without lowering profits? I hope they realize that new form interactive ebooks can create more market opportunities.
- ashish
another great show Steve. Your production keeps getting better.
- Paul E. Ester
HTC Plotting Android, Chrome OS Netbook? - http://phandroid.com/2009...
"No… no… wait I have it: A Chrome OS Netbook with Android mashed in. Yeah. Yeah, that’s it!"
- scott anderson
Re: The Droid fails AS A PRODUCT when compared to Palm Pre and iPhone - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
"Hardware glitches and unpolished apps are less important to me than the comparisons between the respective platforms. The former issues will take care of themselves. What will be interesting to watch now is the frequency of Android/iPhone OS releases and the improvements contained in those OS releases. Can Apple compete against a whole industry not only on the hardware side as they have had to do with desktop PC manufacturers but also compete with a whole industry on the software side, something they did not have to do with Windows which is also controlled by a single company."
- scott anderson
I'm 33 years and a few hours old right now! Happy Birthday me. :-D
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Happy Birthday!
- Kenton
Thank you, Kenton! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday, Kol!!
- AJ Batac
Happy birthday, Kolin!
- Stephen Mack
Happy Birthday Kol.
- CW™
No pressies yet. Guess what? They are delayed in the post, LOL. Thanks Royal Mail. Thanks for being on strike all the time. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kolgratulations! :)
- Jemm
Happy birthday, sir. I hope you're having a great day!
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Happy Birthday Kol! Have an amazing one !
- Wang Yip
Thanks, AJ, Stephen, CW, Jemm. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Pea. Well normal day at work, but I work for a games dev, so that's a pretty good day in my book. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
We're same age :)
- diego morelli
Thanks, Wang!
- Kol Tregaskes
Diego, it's a good age. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I agree ;-)
- diego morelli
It was actually a nice sunny day for the most part today. It's been dull and gloomy for ages. So the Sun came out for me today, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday Kol! Have a great one! :)
- Dee S.
Happy Birthday, Kol! Thirty three was a pretty good year for me and I have a feeling you're going to LOVE It :) Best wishes, congrats and go celebrate!
- Holly Rae, FFer
Thank you v much, Dee. Hope you're well?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Holly.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!
- joey
HB!
- Spidra Webster
happy birthday :)
- Deniz (bluesign) Edincik
Happy Birthday Kol!
- OnuRC
Happy Birthday, Kol!
- Anne Bouey
Happy Birthday, now come to the point where is the party?
- ffcode
Ta very much, Joey, Spidra, Deniz, OnuRC, Anne and ffode. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy b-day Kol!!
- Derrick
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Joe Bonner
Off for a bit, back on in an hour or so. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Derrick, Joe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday, mate!
- Adrian Scicluna
Happy Birthday Kol! Have a great one :)
- Niki Costantini
Happy Birthday!
- scott anderson
Happy Birthday. Only do things you want to today.
- Jeremy
hb ff
- daveccorey
Happy birthday, Kol! :)
- directeur
Happy Birthday :)
- Rodfather
Many Happy returns, Kol. 33? Oh yes, It was back there somewhere. Not a memorable one, but left to my own devices I don't bother about my birthday.
- Ian May
Happy Birthday, President of FF!
- Dork Knight (not Ha3rvey)
Happy birthday! :)
- Tamara
Happy Birthday Ol'Chap!
- Carlos Ayala
Happy Birthday Kol
- Iván Abrego
Yay! Have a great Birthday :-)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Happy Birthday, Kol!!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
HAPPY 33rd Birth year anniversary, Kol!
- Helen Sventitsky
Doğum günün kutlu olsun Kol =))
- Kerimov (porsche)
Happy day to you, Kol!! :)
- JA Castillo
Kol, Happy Birthday!!!!
- Mike Fruchter
Happy Birthday to the nicest guy on FF. (ew, that sounds so fake greeting card-like. It's true though, so I'm leavin' it.)
- Jim Hearts FF
Happy Birthday!
- vicster
Happy birthday Kol!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
HBD
- Babak (Tanxy)
Have a great day, Kol.
- Kevin Pedraja
Happy birthday!
- Stefania Cabitza
Happy bday
- mikepk
Happy Birthday!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Happy 1/3 Century Kol!
- Steve
Happy Birthday!
- Chieze Okoye
Happy birthday Kol!
- Maxamad
Happy birthday, Kol. Wish you the best :-)
- LouCypher
Happy Birthday, Kol! Best Wishes! Hope you have a great day
- Andrew Terry
Gosh! Thanks everyone! Well I was going to thank every single person so...
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you Ade, Niki, Scott, Jeremy, Dave, Directeur, Rodfather, Ian, TehKenny, Tamara, Carlos, Iván, Franc, MVB, Helen, Porschebenimolsana, JA, Mike, Jim, vicster, Tina, Babak, Kevin, Stefania, Mike, Tut, Steve, Chieze, Mo, Lou and Andrew! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And thanks for your comment, Jim. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday Kol! I hope the future brings nothing but joy for you.
- Beau Liening
from iPhone
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Alex Scoble
Ian, yeah I celebrate my Birthdays less and less. Hopefully a few games on the way though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Beau and Alex.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol,Hope you have a good celebration ! Your thirties are great :)
- Paul Downing
Happy Birthday!
- Yolanda
Happy Birthday, Kol!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Thanks, Paul. Well I better make the most of my 30s. It's the 40s soon - not looking forward to that. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Yolanda, Jandy. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday to ya
- ardiba
Thank you, ardiba.
- Kol Tregaskes
HAPPY BIRTHDAY -YOU ARE SAME AS ME :) ! HOPE THIS YEAR AND AFTER EVERYTHING WILL BE BETTER IN YOUR LIFE ...
- matmazelange
Thank you, matmazelange.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!!!
- Amit Morson
Thank you, Amit! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hope you have a wonderful birthday, Kol!
- Laura id stubbed ub.
Just a normal day at work, Laura. Though got some B-day cards and a bit of cake back at home. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol!!
- Charlotte M
HAPPY B'day Kol.. !! Crap. am I the only Bloke who is pushing +45 on FF ?
- Peter Dawson
Thank you, Charlotte, Peter. Peter, nah, I don't think so. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!
- James Myatt
really do you think is that the good age ?i m the 33 now but dont think so :(
- matmazelange
Happy Birthday Kol!
- Penny
matmazelange, it's better than 34, 35, 36... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, James, Penny.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy 33rd! :-)
- Rene Wirtz
:))) u right
- matmazelange
Thank you, Rene.
- Kol Tregaskes
happy birthday kol!
- chrisofspades
Thanks, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bonne Fete!
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
¡Feliz cumpleaños!
- Lo
Selamat Ulang Tahun!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Thank you, Nathalie, Lo, Joe.
- Kol Tregaskes
happy birthday
- Meral Alabaz
Aw, you kids are so cute at that age.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Happiest of Birthdays..................33 years old ...........boy both my kids are older thinking as I type this I am getting older by the minute.......................
- VAL D.
Happy birthday!
- Anika
Happy Birthday!
- Tyson Key
happy birthday! One day I'll get down south and buy you a drink :)
- alphaxion
Thanks, Meral, Val, Anika, Tyson, alpha. Hehe, m9m. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday :)
- Farshad
Thank you, Farshad.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday Guv'nor! (That's my lame British accent) ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Hehe, thank you, Jorge. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol.
- Carlos Sousa
Thank you very much, Carlos.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Happy B to the D...A...Y Kol.
- Mark Krynsky
(((cabbage patching))) Yay!!!
- rowlikeagirl
Happy Birthday!!!
- Marco Fabbri
Happy Birthday to you Kol!
- Thomas Hawk
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KOL :) You ROCK and make FF a great place to be, THANK YOU!! <3
- Susan Beebe
Happy birthday :)
- Timothy Griffin
w00t! Happy Birthday, Kol!
- Ayşe E.
Happy Birthday Kol ~ We're celebrating in Australia for you ~ hope the sun shines all day for you -/
- Chris Loft
happy birthday!
- Bill Kinney
Happy birthday!
- Kamilah Gill
Happy birthday, Kol!!!
- Micah Wittman
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
Happy b-day Kol!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Congrats on another year :)
- LANjackal
Happy bday Kol!
- imabonehead
happy birthday ^^,
- zʍıɔ
Happy Birthday!
- M♥hammad
Happy Birthday!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Happy bday
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
happy birthday kol, :)
- chaz2b
Know I'm late, but Happy Birthday Kol!
- Bonnie Foster
Happy birthday to you :-)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Happy Birthday Kol! This year's gonna be great for ya! :D
- vijay
happy birthday to you and me :)
- Ahmet Soyata
Happy Birthday Kol and Ahmet :)
- Bhowmik Shah
Happy Birthday Kol and other friends.
- Mahmood Padura
your at 33 and I just turned 32 :) As of October 12th funny.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
from IM
Happy Birthday!
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Happy Birthday Kol! I hope you're having a wonderful day!
- Michael Fidler
Thank you everyone! I'll thank you all individually when I'm back from home later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Oh and Happy Birthing Date - Hope the year ahead is even more exciting then the last.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
Yay! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Whoa. Happy Birthday Kol! (My birthday's tomorrow - different age ;))
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Happy Birthday Kol. The years go quicker and quicker from here on out :-)
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
congrats on 33
- Robert Higgins
Don't let the decimal system get you down, in hex you're only 21 :)
- Eivind
Happy Birthday!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Happy Birthday Kol!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Happy Birthday kol! long live the gamers!
- Darth Farhad Sama
Belated Happy Birthday wishes...
- .LAG liked that
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
- Shevonne
Happy Birthday!!!
- mridul
happy birthday
- brainno722 (Peter)
happy birthday! (:
- Mor Büyü *
Happy birthday tregaskes,
- Acharad Sami vanJoulee
Late but Happy Bhirtday Kol ;)
- ★ Soner Gönül
As promised: Thank you Rachel, Mark, rowlikeagirl, Marco, Thomas, Chris, Susan, Timothy, Ayşe, Chris, Bill, Kamilah, Micah, Bren, Shey, LAN, imabonehead, zʍıɔ, Mohammad, Zulema, N.G., chaz2b, Bonnie, Mahdi, vijy, Ahmet, Bhowmik, Mahmood, Raymond, Suezanne, Michael, Raymond, Matthre, Ahsan, Slippy, Robert, Eivind, victed, Mary, Garin, Darth, .LAG, Shevonne, mridul, Peter, Mor, Acharad and Soner.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Aracedi.
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats :)
- alfred westerveld
Thank you, Alfred.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy belated birthday!
- Arlan Koizumi
Thanks, Arlan.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I need the "As promised" list in alphabetical. kthxbai!
- Jorge Escobar
Pass. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
HAppy Bday
- siniradam
happy birthday!
- errorist
Happy b-day!
- Zachary TG
Thank you, Ron, siniradam, errorist, Zachary.
- Kol Tregaskes
Bit too late, but wish you happy then, to wish you anything anyhow. ;-)
- Dutch Bloggies
Oops, that last one was the wrong account. It came from me. :-)
- Ton Zijp
Pokey Polly just now wishing you Happy Birthday and many more!
- Polly Potter
Whoa ... Missed this HB to Kol! (Man ... you're just a kid :)
- Charlie Anzman
Thank you, Dutch/Ton, Polly and Charlie! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, yeah should read "33 years young" ;-).
- Kol Tregaskes
happy 33 and 2 days birthday
- Morgan Haley
Thank you, Morgan! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
ugh 2 days overdue - happy belated kolbot :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
No worries, thank you, Mike! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol!!
- jcunwired
Thank you, jcunwired.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy belated birthday mate !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
Thank you, Nir. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...?
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Should be a good show. Craig Burton always has something interesting to say.
- Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for call.
- Robert Scoble
Looking forward to the show.
- Matt Mastracci
A fellow Utahn - I will be watching :-)
- Jesse Stay
hmmm. silverlight plugin just went kerfluey on me...let's see if it works now.
- Karoli
Still waiting for skype call...
- Robert Scoble
Looks like we're very close to start.
- Robert Scoble
ah..working now.
- Karoli
Chris Messina is on too.
- Robert Scoble
Yay Phil and Craig! Two of my favorite Utahns
- Jesse Stay
Robert's pretty close to having a "lair" there...
- Ken Sheppardson
LIve from @ribbit http://bit.ly/Spawn on Gillmor Gang
- Kevin Marks
robert, i can't imagine going from that to an iphone. your head must explode daily.
- Karoli
Twitter.com FTW!
- Jesse Stay
Actually, I use e-mail for most of my Twitter activity
- Jesse Stay
Robert's head exploding is all part of the show.
- Cliff Gerrish
You guys should be sure to talk about the new Paypal identity proposals
- Jesse Stay
Karoli: info density is pretty crazy! Jesse: I got some good interviews on that yesterday. Should be up on Building43 next week.
- Robert Scoble
where are they again?
- Christopher Harris
Phil and Chris are at http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com
- Ken Sheppardson
thx
- Christopher Harris
I love how all the Identity pieces are fitting together now with OpenID+OAuth Hybrid, WebFinger and XRD and Activity Streams and PoCo at #iiw this week
- Kevin Marks
IIW was great this year.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert, I'm getting more info on it as well - they want to be much more open than it appeared in the keynote
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I will try to introduce PayPal's identity moves into this conversation. Also, what @marcglasberg http://icents.net is doing to turn Twitter into a micropayments system for content.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, missed what @marcglasberg is doing - can't wait to hear more
- Jesse Stay
Someone tell Craig to turn the sounds off on his TweetDeck ;-)
- Jesse Stay
and tell them I said hi from the chat (I don't think they're watching this)
- Jesse Stay
"Open ID threat level Orange?"
- Rob La Gesse
OpenID is just putting on long pants, a shirt and a tie.
- Cliff Gerrish
says @chrismessina the Govt is encouraging people to use OpenID as most people have them already.
- Kevin Marks
Badfinger or Webfinger?
- Cliff Gerrish
Email seems like a bad identifier.
- Cliff Gerrish
http://webfinger.org - it is a protocol to map an emial address into an OpenID endpoint - works with gmail and yahoo already
- Kevin Marks
Just ran into this on stackoverflow.com... they have logos for 10 different OpenID providers or your own URL and I think I have IDs on 8 of them... and I have no idea which one I used to create my account.
- Ken Sheppardson
The right number of id providers is 1. Selectors can solve this problem.
- Cliff Gerrish
We should be able to "transform" emails to OpenID, as described here: http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008... (see comments)
- Panayotis Vryonis
Hey Kevin how do I get involved in what you guys are doing with OpenID?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, come to the next IIW.
- Cliff Gerrish
It would be great if Twitter supported OpenID as well as OAuth #iiw
- Kevin Marks
Watching the show but the FF stream is "frozen" from last week?just me?
- Paul Sherer
from iPhone
Twitter as an OpenID provider?
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff, I wasn't aware of it - that would have been interesting. I was just out there the last 3 days at the Paypal conference.
- Jesse Stay
Paul, refresh. The thread has been updated inside NewsGang.
- Cliff Gerrish
Wow - I didn't realize Paypal was part of the OpenID foundation
- Jesse Stay
@Paul - working fine here. Are you at http://www.building43.com/realtim... ?
- Rob La Gesse
I don't quite understand why we need Salmon independent of Activitystrea.ms. Seems like a "feature" of activitystreams.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll head over to building34, thanks.
- Paul Sherer
Monica's Activity Streams prezi: http://prezi.com/yxvtypx-aani/ maps out the ideas behind it too
- Kevin Marks
Calling out "comment streams" as some special case of activities seems like a dead end.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, Salmon is just the part that shows how to send the comments upstream, it fits in with Activity Streams fine.
- Kevin Marks
Of course in FF the comment thread can appear in multiple places simultaneously via iframe.
- Cliff Gerrish
So, Kevin, can Salmon support any Activitystreams objects? ... Got it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Salmon I'm Atom... I'm getting lost here
- Frank Paynter
Cool, I'm totally going to rip off the salmon idea and make my own proprietary protocol.
- Vezquex: God of FF
do you need an iFrog to use ribbit?
- Frank Paynter
Okay - I missed the last 15 mins. Did I miss anything?
- Jesse Stay
If Gillmor Gang watchers want Ribbit Mobile, got to http://ribbit.com/reserve.php and use the invite code 'gang09'
- Kevin Marks
Is Messina on the Space Station?
- Jesse Newhart
I wish somebody would put together some sort of over-arching reference document that explains how you build something that uses PSHB, OpenID, OAuth, Salmon, Activitystreams, etc in the "correct" way in an integrated system.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, check out the identity commons.
- Cliff Gerrish
I really wish Phil and Craig were in here. I need to get those guys together for lunch some time. That would be a fun meeting.
- Jesse Stay
I think you can catch both Phil and Craig at the Kynetx conference. It's coming right up.
- Cliff Gerrish
Conference de jour, literally ;-) Can't we all just agree to get together once a year or so in one place and deal with everything at once? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
how about adding lists to lists? when's that coming?
- Frank Paynter
Ken, that's what the weekly Gillmor Gang is for. Everyone in one place in real time.
- Cliff Gerrish
I love how Atom is so flexible that we can add all these extra layers on top of it. ActivityStreams, Salmon, PSHB, etc
- Matt Mastracci
YES. filters to something manageable.
- Karoli
frank, isn't that what listorious is for? :)
- Karoli
Cliff: It's just that all these conference give me the apparently mistaken impression that there are more than 10 or so folks who I really have to follow ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Karoli... mebbe, but I'm a fan of bundling functionality within the native platform
- Frank Paynter
Seems like building a bunch of translators is the best way to get adoption.
- Cliff Gerrish
Isn't that what Gnip's supposed to be doing?
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook just needs to remove the 24 hour storage limit and it will be free
- Jesse Stay
@cgerrish yes, translators into Activity Streams rather than n by n translators is an important saving
- Kevin Marks
Cliff, yeah - I'll be at the Kynetx conference
- Jesse Stay
I see Phil all the time - haven't met Craig yet (except online)
- Jesse Stay
Amen Mark - more clients need to support activitystrea.ms
- Jesse Stay
Myspace is still very much in the game
- Jesse Stay
Wait and see - there are some huge things coming to Myspace
- Jesse Stay
So we're all going to speak activitystreams on the global back-end bus and all these sites just become "clients"? Cool. I'm down with that.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, all but Twitter, at least the way they're going
- Jesse Stay
MySpace need a major shift to survive
- Rocky Barbanica
Rocky, keep watching.
- Jesse Stay
But if *everything* else is connected, we can all just pool our API call limits to pull the full feed out of Twitter and translate it to AS
- Ken Sheppardson
Go tell @loic to support Activity Streams from MySpace and Netflix, @scobleizer
- Kevin Marks
That's the theory, Ken. At least until the next time something closed and exciting comes along, ;)
- Matt Mastracci
It will be everyone supports open standards, then you'll also have to support Twitter's own standard - at least if you ask John at Twitter
- Jesse Stay
JK's sane, Jesse... if this all got widespread adoption I think you'd see a different bottom-up attitude from Twitter...
- Ken Sheppardson
The custom adapters actually creates a value proposition.
- Cliff Gerrish
http://cliqset.com is an Activity Streams supporting aggregator, as is MS Live
- Kevin Marks
Facebook needs public indexing to get legit... they can't because of privacy aspect of their service... FriendFeed can provide the opening to public indexing of Facebook users' wall content...
- Frank Paynter
Ken, yeah - I just don't like his attitude around it
- Jesse Stay
anything but FB, please.
- Karoli
Frank, you can use FQL to search Facebook pretty much site-wide (at least as privacy allows)
- Jesse Stay
I can sorta see Twitter's point... I mean Evan came to them a year ago and said "Hey, you should support OMB" and their natural response as "Uh... no.... why? Nobody's using it..."
- Ken Sheppardson
I should note Twitter doesn't allow specific queries like FQL btw
- Jesse Stay
I'd just as soon not search Facebook. or even use it.
- Karoli
Jesse...yahbut, you can't find Facebook content on google
- Frank Paynter
@Frank - yet!
- Rob La Gesse
Frank, yes you can
- Jesse Stay
There's a strong current of relevant discussion on Facebook that is hard for me to ignore
- Frank Paynter
If Activitystreams was implemented widely, I suspect the engineers at Twitter would warm up to it. That might not be a sufficient condition, but it's certainly necessary.
- Ken Sheppardson
sad that no-one from @twitterapi came to IIW this year; @blaine came + helped invent OAuth when they were 1/10th the size
- Kevin Marks
Facebook encourages self-censorship, or disownership, depending. (Basically I don't really want my Republican spouse reading my liberal rants)
- Karoli
@Kevin - they are busy building lists.
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, yeah - that's been my perception - they're taking no part in any of the open efforts, which concerns me
- Jesse Stay
I think we all scared them off at BearHugCamp last fall ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin, is Facebook there at all? I imagine Recordon's probably there?
- Jesse Stay
That's consistent with what Bret said last week, RE Facebook
- Ken Sheppardson
hubs will be distributed. facebook will lose their advantage.
- scott anderson
scott, i think so too. Google federating wave is one step closer to that...
- Karoli
perfect question
- Rocky Barbanica
Where's Microsoft in all this, btw?
- Ken Sheppardson
MSFT had a big presence at IIW - Information cards (selectors) started with them.
- Cliff Gerrish
Here's another good Google search on Facebook: site:www.facebook.com lists - status updates will very soon also be part of that
- Jesse Stay
What did Scoble just call his wife?
- Cliff Gerrish
As soon as grandmas start using a service, Robert bails... so... y'know... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scott, Facebook is becoming distributed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse... thanks for the "site: facebook" clue, but it's weak... I've just been testing it and nothing relevant emerged in response to specific search requests
- Frank Paynter
Ken - MS is busy building layoff packages and not serious software.
- Rob La Gesse
MSFT had a lot of good people at #iiw, and they are really contributing to the Activity Streams and OWF efforts
- Kevin Marks
@KevinMarks. Thanks for the mention. Yes, we (Cliqset) currently normalize activity from 70+ services into activity streams compliant atom feeds. We also share them in real-time through our APIs.
- Darren
Frank, a lot of cool articles about Twitter lists - I thought it was interesting "site:facebook.com lists"
- Jesse Stay
Save the demo for a building43 video :)
- Rob La Gesse
Frank, status updates are also very soon going to be included in that as well. Very soon you'll see those come up in search results.
- Jesse Stay
We will, Rob
- Rocky Barbanica
Seeing individual engineers and marketing folks from MSFT at different events reminds me alot of my old NASA days, when you'd always find some sort of "rogue" engineer off working on pretty much any project you can imagine. Every once in a while all the "rogue" engineers from the different centers who were working on similar projects would get together... but they were rarely funded and projects never went anywhere. But on the flip side... I'm glad they're involved :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble is such a non-programmer. Everything he says that's hard sounds easy. "How do I bundle 3 tweets?" Just use take their URIs or copy the text.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Interesting show.
- Rob La Gesse
Thanks for the info Jesse
- Frank Paynter
Oh man...
- Rocky Barbanica
thanks, steve
- Karoli
Vezquex: sorry, that just does NOT do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
what more do you need?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Vezquex: I want to put them on a page and have them look like Tweets, mixed with YouTUbe videos, mixed with photos. Make it freaking easy. Copy and pasting and doing screen captures is NOT easy for most people.
- Robert Scoble
Did they mention the Paypal identification proposal at all? I think I missed it.
- Jesse Stay
Just in passing, Jesse
- Ken Sheppardson
We never got to it Jesse
- Craig Burton
Ken, I'm very fascinated by that, because it's true identity. If they can make that open along with the existing open standards around identity they're going to do some great things. I'm supposed to get a briefing by them soon (I hope).
- Jesse Stay
Vezquex: look at the Tweets I put into Wordpress: http://scobleizer.com/2009... that took a LOT of work. Way too much for normal people and WAY too much for real-time work. Did you watch the World Series last night? MSNBC had a Tweet out AS THE BALL HIT THE GLOVE TO END THE GAME!
- Robert Scoble
Craig, great seeing you, btw! I don't think we've ever met in person.
- Jesse Stay
This is a real time world and copying and pasting URLs is too freaking hard.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Jesse, we need to make that happen.
- Craig Burton
Plus, I do everything on my iPhone now. Did you remember how we broke the news of Facebook buying FriendFeed? That entire thing was done from an iPhone, including an audio interview.
- Robert Scoble
Craig, just sent you and Phil an e-mail. Let's definitely make it happen.
- Jesse Stay
Paypal is still very weak. They are not quite clued in to the selector imperative.
- Craig Burton
Jesse: applications running on the open web will always be able to innovate and provide more functionality than apps running on top of Facebook. With activity streams, hubs, openid, etc. the reduced friction advantage that Facebook has is diminished.
- scott anderson
Craig, that's my worry
- Jesse Stay
Scott, Facebook is joining the open web
- Jesse Stay
it's all talk until it happens
- scott anderson
they also said Beacon was going to be revolutionary
- scott anderson
Facebook is an activitystrea.ms provider right now: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.... They are also currently an openid provider.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook has openID?
- Matt Mastracci
I think you see it now with the work Recordon and the ex-FriendFeeders are doing... but the IP limits, 24hr cache limits, and EULA mythology seems to cast a shadow over everything
- Ken Sheppardson
openid support is defensive move
- scott anderson
BTW, most this stuff was around even before Recordon came on board
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, I realized that after I wrote that, Jesse... he's just sorta the flag bearer these days
- Ken Sheppardson
Scott, they've had that support for at least 6 months now
- Jesse Stay
Facebook led much of the activitystrea.ms standard - it is not a defensive move. They were part of the organization, and are also members of the openid foundation. They're leaders in this, not followers.
- Jesse Stay
openid support is a defensive move because they don't want google to dominate the openid space. if activity stream content expires after some period of time when it leaves Facebook, then that is another defensive move and one that is not truly open.
- scott anderson
Scott, I'm not sure they've said much about that content expiring. As long as you're a user I'm pretty sure you're able to get your content out, no exceptions. Developers have a few more strict rules, but nothing's stopping a client from enabling that for users themselves. The RSS News Feed app on Facebook's still around, so I think they're opening up to enabling that: http://www.facebook.com/apps...
- Jesse Stay
Also, see Facebook's latest news - their entire JS client library is now open source on GitHub: http://bit.ly/48FO1s
- Jesse Stay
Messina additional on IIW http://www.thesocialweb.tv/blog...
- Steve Gillmor
T-Mobile adding carrier billing and new channel to Android Market - http://www.androidauthority.com/index...
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Carrier billing could be a big win for Android app developers as it is almost frictionless, especially when you enable kids to add charges to their parents phone bill.
- scott anderson
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Bill Gates sums up Microsoft's abusive history - http://my.opera.com/haavard...
"One thing we have got to change in our strategy - allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other peoples browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities." - Bill Gates (Dec 1998)
- scott anderson
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The chat room/forum problem (& an apology to @Technosailor) - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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since posts that appear in a list are determined by the owner, when another user reads the list, there is no direct control of the content. it has been recommended by another trusted user, and the same is true for posts shown in friendfeed using friend-of-a-friend
- Mike Chelen
Mike Taylor's already got a good reasoned post up in response http://friendfeed.com/codebea...
- Chris Heath
Chris: and I answered Mike Taylor in his comments there. Good stuff.
- Robert Scoble
IRC remains the number one text-only community tool for live collaboration IMO. It has all the features except attachments - and that's a good thing.
- randulo
The FOAF inaccuracy in this post is glaring.
- Bruce Lewis
This exactly mirrors real life. The degree to which anything is good is the degree to which people work for it. When the trolls etc inevitably come to feed it's your choice: stay and work or leave and cry. If people stay and work then a community can thrive. Exactly as in real life. I've seen this many many times. As in real life what people usually do is move on to once again live off low hanging fruit when the best crops take time.
- Todd Hoff
"That’s true, but the more conversations I got involved in the less I found I was learning" - How much do you learn from your family? And a long list of links is equivalent to memorizing all the names of dead presidents, it's anything but learning. What you see is Mike Lee hurting and exploding out. Next he'll be reaching out and Twitter won't be there.
- Todd Hoff
Todd: you forget my brother is THE famous ALEX SCOBLE! I learn a lot from my family. Some here, some in private. And you must have missed the hundreds of replies that Mike got. Some things, by the way, are best done over whisky at a bar not online.
- Robert Scoble
I think you missed the point about family Robert. The purpose of any group is not always for you to learn. There are many other aspects that need not be consigned to a whisky bar.
- Todd Hoff
@Robert - some people don't have the option to do things over whiskey at a bar, but they can interact online. And some tools are better suited to that kind of interaction than others. I can think of one that starts with an F and doesn't end in an K. A lot of people look to make strong connections with others that they simply don't have access to in person.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Posted a comment on the blog. Long story short, the DATA (activity and content) has changed but you haven't changed your filters to help transform that data into information. The problem isn't FriendFeed it's the fact that you've calcified and haven't kept up with your filters. Full blog comment here: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- AJ Kohn
My long-winded response and plea: http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...
- Her Lindsay-ness
It appears Robert believes that he will be able to influence others through the curating of Twitter lists. In my opinion the type of people who cannot create and filter their own community are not worth influencing. I think the list feature is useful but so far I have no desire to subscribe to anyone else's Twitter lists.
- scott anderson
scott: you can believe that all you want. Doesn't make you right. http://listorious.com is doing awesome.
- Robert Scoble
"you can believe that all you want. Doesn't make you right" A statement that can apply to many people on several different subjects. Perhaps it's come to a point, Robert, where it's best for you to agree to disagree regarding the data, fate, and demise of FriendFeed. Because you've chosen to move on to the next shiny thing doesn't mean that everyone else has to do the same.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
True
- Robert Scoble
What Tina said + How is listorious any better than the SUL? It seems to me like a circle-jerk of the perpetual group of A-List bloggers reinventing themselves as curators in a social capital land grab. I could be wrong tho'.
- scott anderson
scott: almost none of the Listorius lists are done by A-list bloggers. But, thanks for playing. 6.5 million lists have been created in a weekend. You think those were created by only A-lsters? Dream on!
- Robert Scoble
And what's the difference between the SUL? Well, for one, there's only ONE SUL and there's 6.5 million lists already with more every minute. The SUL is offered in Twitter's startup UI. Lists are not. The SUL gifts its members millions of followers every year. So far I've gotten a slight bump from lists, but not nearly as big as being on the SUL.
- Robert Scoble
I like the list feature. I find it useful for organizing the people I follow. I just don't have any interest in subscribing to other people's lists. I was comparing listorious with SUL, not the list feature with SUL.
- scott anderson
Listorious presents thousands (soon to be millions) of lists. The SUL only presents one. It's funny you can't see the difference between that.
- Robert Scoble
Looking at the front page it *appears* that Tim O'Reilly, a tech publisher, is in charge of curating tech news. You don't see a problem with that??
- scott anderson
I don't understand why you'd want to follow somebody else's lists. Wouldn't that just clutter up your view with a bunch of stuff you don't control? Or does it keep those lists separate, like your own lists are separate from your follows?
- Otto
Be sure to read Brandon Mendelson's (a former SUL member) post on Lists here: http://www.soapboxincluded.com/2009...
- Jesse Stay
randulo: no platforms can match irc for low-latency communication besides im protocols such as xmpp ... and friendfeed!
- Mike Chelen
Robert: just stand by for the SLL (suggested list list)
- Mike Chelen
Otto: there is complete control in that you may choose to follow or unfollow the list at any time, with additional granularity offered through following individual accounts
- Mike Chelen
Robert I reread your post again and several things jumped out: 1) "Compare that feed to your average Facebook feed and you’ll see it in stark black and white: your Facebook feed is “fun” but isn’t teaching you much." Really? Well, you must be using Facebook differently than I do. I somehow have managed to collect the pages and the friends and the groups I enjoy and its providing me with...
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- Melanie Reed
I want to add that I respect the job you provide to the online community, the observations you make. You are gifted in this area. But I see that more as a guidance value rather than as counselor and decision maker for users. Those jobs seem more important for the production side of social media rather than its use.
- Melanie Reed
Iran: New Opposition Battle on U.S. Embassy Siege Day? - http://www.time.com/time...
"The latest face-off is scheduled for Wednesday, when Iran commemorates the 30th anniversary of the U.S. embassy takeover by radical students. In an ironic twist, however, instead of the traditional festival of America-bashing, students across the country are being summoned to mark the event with a protest against their own government."
- scott anderson
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Apple's iTunes Pitch: TV for $30 a Month - http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/2009110...
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Will Apple be choosing the shows we can and cannot watch?
- scott anderson
Re: Developers: the best smart phone platform is? - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
"I mean that Apple and RIM do not have the resources to compete against the manufacturers of televisions, cars, cameras, home/office appliances, and new types of embedded devices on their turf when the manufacturers can simply adopt Android with no investment in recreating a system like Android which has a developer ecosystem already in place. These verticals are not in the OS business. However, Android is very easy to adapt to their devices with relatively very little cost to them considering their other options. Why would these companies hand over a significant portion of their profits to Apple or RIM if they did not have to? Microsoft is losing a ton of money on the XBox. Apple is failing with their AppleTV product. I doubt they will be entering into the automobile business anytime soon. I'm betting on Android as a commodity and that open with the backing of industry will beat closed for embedded operating systems. The evidence is substantial. The industry leader, Symbian, has even...
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- scott anderson
Re: It Just Might Be the Droid You Are Looking For - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
"I believe that if the device says "with Google" on it then Google has licensed their apps to the carrier. I have no idea what the terms are. However, there are carriers and device manufacturers that are not partnering with Google and enhancing the base OS with their own UI and bundled apps. It will be interesting to see the reception the Sony Ericsson XPERIA receives ... hardware: http://www.youtube.com/watch... software: http://www.youtube.com/watch..."
- scott anderson
Re: Developers: the best smart phone platform is? - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
"I'd suspect that Android is doing even better than RIM in streaming/downloading of video based on its capabilities and the YouTube factor. In addition to looking at download numbers and especially the rate of change of those download numbers it is important for developers to factor in the opportunities to re-purpose their investments. It is obvious to me that Android will be injected into televisions, cars, cameras, home/office appliances, and new types of embedded devices that don't exist today. I also would not be surprised if we see the reincarnation of the Java Applet as an Android plug-in for the Chrome browser/OS. Can Apple or RIM compete against a free and open platform that is supported by so many verticals? I don't think so."
- scott anderson
Re: Lists and OPML (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"I have a feed that has entries which each link to other third party feeds. Please explain how OPML can add value to this list of lists without me having to convert my feed to OPML. My list needs to be dynamic therefore I cannot model it as an OPML subscription list because aggregators do not support updates to OPML subscription lists. They do support updates to feeds."
- scott anderson
Re: Lists and OPML (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"OPML inclusion is a good example of the problem I am trying to illustrate. In the context of lists of lists I would need to convert all of my feeds to OPML. The only value I see in doing this would be to enable my content to be editable in your OPML Editor thus making my content incompatible with all the tools and infrastructure that currently exists for RSS and Atom. I can't see why any developer would want to do this or how this proposition would benefit the domain of open content distribution."
- scott anderson
Re: Lists and OPML (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Coming from the perspective of a developer, the problem with OPML is that it is focused on outlines and not on distributed lists. There are already two standards for distributed lists; RSS and Atom. The moment you introduce hierarchy in a single document format you lose the distributed nature that most of the use cases rely upon and you open the door for content getting out of sync which introduces a new problem that is very difficult to solve. An RSS enclosure or an Atom link can reference any content type, not just a media file. If the entries of a feed contained links that simply referenced other feeds then developers could leverage existing technologies and paradigms as well as provide a better fit for the common use cases of distributed lists."
- scott anderson
Paul Buchheit - Been at your job too long? QUIT! - Startup School 2009 - http://vimeo.com/7240218
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couldnt agree more
- sean percival
I wonder how long he means when he says that. 5 years? 3? Less?
- Diego Barros
I don't know, I was with my first company for 4.5 years. That still made me kinda the new guy, as a lot of employees were there 20 to 30 years. I guess it depends on industry. That was the insurance industry, and as long as there was a way up I was happy with that company. Now working in dot coms, working at a place more that two years is impressive. In some ways I don't necessarily...
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- Dario Gomez
I was at my last job 8 1/2 years. In that time, Facebook and Twitter were started, Google grew up, and Bush started two wars. Maybe I stayed too long.
- Louis Gray
I'd rather my longevity at a company be determined in terms of achieving some goal. If it does not look like I will be able to accomplish something interesting, novel, or useful then I'll bail. Idiotic politics usually short circuits that game plan though.
- scott anderson
I've never worked a job for more than 2 years. I like finding new levels of experience. If they kept it a learning experience I would stay longer, but never found a company that did that.
- Jesse Stay
Scott, your reasoning led to my longevity there. I wanted to reach an end, be it M&A, IPO or something else. But it eventually became time.
- Louis Gray
Louis: The goals I set are more personal and typically are not dependent on what the company and/or my division achieves. I have been fortunate in that I have always been able to drive the projects or sub-projects that I have worked on. That said, politics and the agendas of other individuals still find a way to mess up the best of intentions.
- scott anderson
++ scott. I agree with, "If you’ve been in your job for awhile, you should quit. Google was really comfortable. I knew all the people. It’s important to do things that will make you uncomfortable." with the caveat that it is important to find a place where you can accomplish something and stay there long enough to give it legs or cut it loose. I hear overnight success takes a long time. Otherwise you are just uncomfortable for no good reason.
- Clare Dibble
Bold advice in hard times.
- Tim Tyler
great advice for people who don't have a mortgage or a family
- Terris Linenbach
+1 Terris
- Bill Hooker
Terris, I have a family of 4 kids and a mortgage. As I said I've never had a job longer than 2 years. As for going out on your own, it's difficult, but very possible. It involves a lot of sacrifice though.
- Jesse Stay
Going out on my own was the one of the best decisions I ever made in my life (even with a mortgage, family and a new baby at the time). I ended up back at a company, but this time I had founded it. There are many ways to make your life work on your own. If you really want to do it, just step off the cliff. You'll figure out a way to make it work.
- Matt Mastracci
Matt, funny how that happens - my wife was pregnant when I went out on my own as well. I still don't know how we managed all that. :-) I agree though - it was the best decision of my life. I may end up at a job again at some point, but as Paul said, at the time it "sounded like the right thing to do". I've learned so much from being on my own, and the freedom is priceless. (Paycheck, much of the time is not so priceless) :-)
- Jesse Stay
Actually it's a great advice for people who have mortgage and family and are taking it responsibly rather then being complacent in hope their current employer is here forever.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
eugene, yeah - one thing I've learned more than anything is that control is a good thing. Even if I work for someone else I always want to be sure I've got my own thing of some sort going that I could resort to at any time (a book, side-business, blog, investments, advisory roles, etc). Of course you have to be careful about that at the same time in that your employer knows of such things and is okay of you owning that IP.
- Jesse Stay
To be clear, if you have kids, etc, find a new job before quitting your current one :)
- Paul Buchheit
It was such a pleasure to be in the audience for this!
- Jay
Paul, how long do you think is too long?
- Diego Barros
Whenever you get "too comfortable" :o)
- Susan Beebe
Yeah, the correct answer obviously depends on your situation (how much you will learn at the new job vs the old), but in general I'd guess that "too long" falls in the 5-10 year period, though if your job is bad, "too long" may happen much sooner :)
- Paul Buchheit
Totally agree with this, esp the quote at the end "It's important to do things that make you uncomfortable". IMO, people grow the most when they are forced out of their comfort zone
- Dave Hodson
It's important to do things that will make you uncomfortable because.......???
- τorƍue
Growth and flexibility. Obviously not all uncomfortable things are good though.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul Buchheit is Sarah Palin?
- Jim Norris
One of my friends has been at Apple for 10 years. She's a brilliant engineer (I've known her since college). Her reason for staying: "I've got 3 kids. They need lots of care and nurture, and they're providing plenty of challenge in my life. I don't need more." My mom sacrificed her career for her 3 kids. Her sister continued pursuing her career, since she only had one. When looking at...
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- Piaw Na
That's very reasonable Piaw -- I agree that good parents are more important than good toys or schools. The "quit your job" advice was more for people looking to start a company or something.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul agreed - entrepreneurship isn't for everyone. My dad tried it, decided it wasn't for him, and he'll be retiring in about 10 years or so after years and years of building a very successful career in the professional world. If it's for you, there are ways to make it work and provide for a family - it involves a lot of work though, and make sure you're prepared when you do it. (I sold...
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- Jesse Stay
@Scott Anderson - absolutely - I'll leave when the job is done or the politics make finishing what I need to do impossible.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
@Jesse It's not about providing for the family. I'm sure entrepreneurs manage to do that or they go out of business very quickly. It's investing time in the family that's usually the missing ingredient. I know, since I did have a largely absent entrepreneurial father.
- Piaw Na
Video: Symbian Executive Rips into Google’s Android - http://gigaom.com/2009...
The executive director at Symbian calls out Google as being evil and Android as not being open.
- scott anderson
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can't say i don't disagree here, though i do like android and google's services.
- tiffany
says someone who will be losing market share... Oh yah, Google should join Symbian, WE are open and not evil.. hey, you all just want to make money, let's be honest here.
- Tim Hoeck
Good points here anyway
- Richard Blaney
wait wait wait....Android isn't open?
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@joewilcox yes but Android doesn't have the rest of iphone's experience and 85,000 apps.
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Robert, it doesn't now. But give it time. It's not like the IPhone launch with 85000 apps.
- archaictree
archaictree: Android is definitely best in class to take on the iPhone, so far. But we still need to see an inspiring device running it. So far? No.
- Robert Scoble
The iphone launched with no apps, no sdk. Have a little faith in Android.
- Roberto Bonini
What rbonini said.
- Maxamad
even with sub-technology devices, android phones are so much more fun and interesting than iPhones. I never for a second considered returning my G1, while the iPhone went back inside 2 weeks.
- Matthew DeVries
I always feel like Al on Quantum Leap with mine, constantly driving/pushing it to do way more than it's really capable of, smacking it around and shaking it. I can turn on every antenna, radio, processor, sensor and camera at one time if I want to and watch the battery just drain faster than a power supply can charge it. It's glorious. It's mine, and I can do what ever I want with it. There's never a second of frustration of "oh, but I can't, with it."
- Matthew DeVries
I think it may end up being a nice alternative to the iphone provided enough early adapters and developers warm up to it.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
the iPhone is a locked down, limited featurephone. Without Apple's marketing, it's just another featurephone. Other featurephones, such as the Samsung Eternity can do the same things for less money. Of the apps getting downloaded, only a few are being used. I mean, how many different Twitter apps does a user need? People are starting to say that the iPhone's getting old. A smartphone is so much more powerful, flexible and capable. Why use an app, when you can go just bookmark a site in a smartphone browser?
- Tim Jones
I wrote you all a post about apps and iPHones: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Ding ding ding ding. Holden has a brilliant point. I can think of a few examples, that shall remain nameless in the intrests of keeping this thread SFW, off the top of my head.
- Roberto Bonini
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Holden: it's a bit hard to count all the apps. But everytime I go to Appsfire I see many many more apps than I can count.
- Robert Scoble
Yet.Though of the majority of iPhone apps I've seen, I'd say roughly 83,000 of those 85,000 are useless and the result of someone wanting to jump on the iphone-app-get-rich-quick bandwagon.
- Ciaoenrico
Exactly. Give Android time.
- Rodney Taylor
apple has 200 million itunes users with credit card details
- Loc
Robert: What is a must have app that is missing on Android?
- scott anderson
What I keep wondering is: Is iPhone better simply because it was there first? Sure it has a lot of apps - it also had a good long head start. I don't think that puts the Pre or Android at as much of a disadvantage, as they can learn from the iPhone's mistakes. (Mistakes like using AT&T as a carrier, for example.)
- Ciaoenrico
scott: it's not one app. It's the grouping of them. And NONE of my cool apps were on the Android last time I looked. Yes, there were copies, but they weren't as good.
- Robert Scoble
The nice thing about Android is that the apps are evolving into features that work together. I doubt that you will see this anytime soon on the iDon't devices. Apple's architecture is approaching a point of diminishing returns. Android is just getting started on demonstrating the possibilities of openness and collaboration at the software component level.
- scott anderson
At some point Robert, you reach a point of what us in the optics word call empty magnification. Great. 85,000. Is it different from 60,000? From 20,000? The real question/test? Name ONE you have that isn't replicated in WebOS, Android, or WinMo.
- Matthew DeVries
That's a good point Hisham - I was just thinking that the other day, that I can't believe iPhone still hasn't deployed any of the drug interactions apps, or the stuff that Vets and Psychologists use, the patient intake software. That keeps the entire biotech/biomed world on Blackberry.
- Matthew DeVries
It would be interesting if someone could count how many actual apps are on iPhone, how many are games, and how many in that 85,000 are garbage(content posing as apps). As I recall that company in Pakistan alone had nearly a thousand garbage content apps for $5. Shows you how flawed the app store is that Apple kept approving them. Another company had a similar number.
- Ed Millard
A better argument to make is the one you made here Robert, that there are a number of very good apps which make the iPhone, not that there are 85,000, most of which are junk.
- Ed Millard
Robert I am very happy with my HTC Hero and I believe in Android :) You forget that Europe is not USA Consider these events http://androidcamp-berlin.mixxt.de/ and http://droidcon.de/de... Germany believe in Android
- Roldano De Persio of FF
Roldano: when I go to Europe and even Israel I see iPHones EVERYWHERE.
- Robert Scoble
85.000 apps, yes. 80.000 stupid games, and 4.500 unuseful apps :P
- Alessio ~ Bl@ster
That is funny but not true.
- Robert Scoble
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Whilst folks are saying give Android time it has no apps. The iPhone Store is one of those first mover advantage situations that Robert clearly points out will be very hard to budge.
- Sean Kelly
iPhones are the dominant product in a niche market. They're the winners now, but there will always be room for someone else to come in and do it better.
- Ciaoenrico
Andriod apps are based on Java. Just count the number of developers and very stable applications (most open source) are available for them. It is very likely that Andriod apps would scale iphone when this developer lot will take a look.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
There's more to the mobile phone sector than the top-end app-oriented devices.
- Bernie Goldbach
iPhone had already gained such great traction that others will have to work hard to catch up, but just as TechCrunch (and other commenters here) had written, Android is probably the closest to compete than Windows Mobile. I like the idea of open source platform since the users will be able to dictate what goes on the device (within the limitation of Android), instead of living with what...
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- brainno722 (Peter)
Robert here in Rome, Italy I see Nokia EVERYWHERE ;) Seriously now: many italian business man use BlackBerry and only geeks, Apple fans and fashion people use iPhone. Here Nokia rules! I think that Android on Samsung or LG phones ( I mean little, cheap and coloured phones) could be a good choice for many italian people.
- Roldano De Persio of FF
I'm still waiting to hear about a single game-breaking app that is on iPhone that EACH of the other platforms doesn't have. (I suppose Mint.com could be one)
- Matthew DeVries
1. iPhone app developers need only develop for a well-defined collection of hardware with well-defined capabilities all nicely coordinated with the SDK. Not so for Android developers.
- Stephen M. Otto
2. iPhone is an iPod. Android phones will never be iPods.
- Stephen M. Otto
O.o Android is already an iPod. Faster/better music player/browser. Integration with AmazonMP3 buy/search. A non-proprietary output jack that can plug into your 1985 Ghetto Blaster with no need for an "iPod interface". More video playback codecs. MUCH larger storage capacity (infinite if you want to swap 30GB SD's). --this post generated 3 Oops errors.
- Matthew DeVries
For that matter, there are ~10,000% more music players/browser available on Android, as compared to iPhones whopping..... 1
- Matthew DeVries
I own an iPhone and also uses it like an iPod, but hate iTunes...Even though I would never buy a Zune or other MP3 player (hideous compared to iPods), I welcome any other innovation smartphones so that I can move away from iPhone. But then again, I'm a gadget fanatic...Ooh shiny!
- brainno722 (Peter)
iPhone sucks. Android phones will never suck
- Alessio ~ Bl@ster
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Mark Zuckerberg on how to build hacker culture inside a company http://digital.venturebeat.com/2009...
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It's interesting that no one asked about making money or the Beacon failure.
- scott anderson
Different people tweet at night.
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It's good to know that it is not all the same person.
- scott anderson
lol, brilliant!
- Dan Freeman
I just got a new feature in Google Reader ... a recommendation engine called Explore. So far it looks pretty useful. Maybe it was always there, just hidden away. Still, I'm liking it.
supports twitter search and track ... nice!
- scott anderson
added public Reader feed of tracked Twitter search results to private FF group. curious to see how often it updates.
- scott anderson
Motorola Droid's website published a bit early, with specs galore - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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it's gone now, site was @ http://www.motorola.com/Consume...
- scott anderson
Well, regardless, the cat's out of the bad. This warrants consideration, but I still have another year in my G1 contract. The game will be sooo very different by then.
- Adrian
550Mhz. That's odd. I wonder if it's still a ARM Cortex A8 processor in there.
- Rodfather
Barnes & Noble Unveils Kindle-Killing, Dual-Screen ‘Nook’ E-Reader - http://www.wired.com/gadgetl...
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"Nook looks a lot like Amazon’s white plastic e-book reader, only instead of the chiclet-keyboard there is a color multitouch screen, to be used as a keyboard or to browse books, cover-flow style. The machine runs Google’s Android OS and it will have wireless capability from AT&T."
- scott anderson
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Woah - @scobleizer's using FriendFeed again. Is that his way of saying @louisgray and I were right? ;-): http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... (update: I must have misunderstood Louis Gray's opinion before - see the comments below) (update 2: I think @scobleizer and I are mostly in agreement - this is just my passion for FriendFeed coming through (note the shirt))
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No.
- Robert Scoble
Yes?
- Brandon Titus
I never said I wouldn't ever use it again. I said it would get no new features. I'm pretty sure that even Paul Buchheit confirmed that today.
- Robert Scoble
i got the impression new is to come, and i still feel like the users could/should intro new, if they can (i cant, so thats why wrote this way)
- chaz2b
Robert, I didn't see Paul confirm anything.
- Jesse Stay
Holden, no kidding. Why isn't anyone just asking them? I'm surprised not even TechCrunch has tried to get in touch with them (or they at least haven't said they tried). As an entrepreneur I hate it when bloggers make assumptions without contacting me first.
- Jesse Stay
It's still going to get swallowed by the FaceBook Gear heads and disappear, it's really too bad. But, it's still here so lets party! : )
- Owen Greaves
Owen, that's an assumption
- Jesse Stay
It's logical
- Owen Greaves
Owen, it's an assumption
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: It's still logical assumption :)
- Owen Greaves
Jesse: I've tried to setup an interview with Paul. Just hasn't worked out yet.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: So you would have me believe that FaceBook bought FF as a side business? To run side by each as a separate profit center?
- Owen Greaves
As to Paul's quote. It's pretty clear to me that they are working on bringing FriendFeed style features to a "larger group." Well, since FriendFeed's group is getting smaller that only means one thing: they are working on bringing these features to Facebook itself. Which matches what I've heard from my friends at Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Owen: if Jesse thinks that he's VERY mistaken.
- Robert Scoble
Owen, I'm saying no one but FF and FB know what's happening to FriendFeed. No one knows anything right now
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: that's really not true. I have plenty of sources inside Facebook. What Paul said did NOT disagree with a damn thing I said.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yes, Paul said that, but he didn't say FriendFeed is going away.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I can't believe you are actually sitting on the fence on this :)
- Owen Greaves
I never said that FriendFeed is going away either.
- Robert Scoble
Friend Feed will me merged into Facebook before it is out. Facebook bought Friend Feed for their R&D group as well as their technology. Mergers of this kind never result in both services being kept running.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, what features do you think FB is getting? FOAF?
- Cristo
Robert, you said it would get no new features - Paul didn't say that either
- Jesse Stay
Rob, that is an assumption
- Jesse Stay
Robert it willg oa way its a matter of time
- Rob Cairns
Will I be able to converse with this crowd without it being mixed in with family & friends?
- Cristo
Jesse: well, to get new features someone has to work on FriendFeed itself. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Paul never said people have stopped working on FriendFeed forever
- Jesse Stay
Jesse but look what happens in the industry it is a pretty good one based on past history.
- Rob Cairns
Maybe google will take Tornado and create their own FriendFeed/Twitter.
- Cristo
Cristo: they aren't telling me what features they are building for Facebook and if they were it would be under NDA so I would have to play dumb and stupid when you ask such a question.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble and no one is adding features to FF but lots to Facebook
- Rob Cairns
Rob, like Robert, I have plenty of contacts inside Facebook as well
- Jesse Stay
Cristo: nah, Google is going to try to make Wave work. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Wave is not social networking. At least not in it's current form.
- Cristo
Cristo: I disagree and agree at the same time.
- Robert Scoble
What's not logical, is that FF & FaceBook will continue to do business in it's current structure
- Owen Greaves
Jesse - Me too actually but the reality is people will use any service and reconnect if one shuts down. People always go where the people they communicate go.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, that's very hard to disagree with.
- Cristo
I predict Facebook will use Wave and Wave will use Facebook (but that's another argument)
- Jesse Stay
Owen: at least for the forseen future.
- Robert Scoble
Holden: that doesn't mean it's not social networking *sighs*
- Robert Scoble
Robert, is email and/or chat social networking? Is there any FOAF or ability to see other people's contacts on Wave?
- Cristo
Jesse somehow I doubt that because Facebook likes a closed network. You can not search the contents of Facebook from outside it and I can not see that changing so they will not partner with Google
- Rob Cairns
Rob, my point is we don't know if FriendFeed is dead (aka no new features). I'm not even sure if Paul or Brett know right now. There's no sense speculating until we're sure. Let's let them release their features and see what happens. Maybe they'll be so cool we'll all just switch to Facebook. Maybe not and we'll stick around here and they'll decide to continue adding features. I think they're watching what the users think right now. No one knows at the moment - to suggest such would be just an assumption
- Jesse Stay
Robert: It's a moot point anyway, we will use all services to promote ourselves, our brands and products no matter what happens. Including being in a state of flux like we are now.
- Owen Greaves
Cristo: no. Because email is not public. Chat is not on the web for the most part. Chat could be a component of social networking.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, that's changing
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: new features take engineering time and AS OF RIGHT NOW FriendFeed is not getting engineering time. Will that change tomorrow? Well, I might win the lottery tomorrow too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, so social networking requires being on the web? You couldn't have client-based or P2P social networking?
- Cristo
When I talk I'm talking about TODAY and what the view is today and what our expectation of tomorrow is based on decisions made today.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse so the key is why invest time in a platform do do not know will survive. We put all this time and content into a service(do people back up what they post) and you potentially can lose it all.
- Rob Cairns
Cristo: most social networking I've seen, like Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, is on the web.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, c'mon people, this is easy: 'When the wind blows from the South I know the difference between a hawk and a handsaw.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
Rob: I don't back up anything here. But I'm not expecting the servers to get turned off.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but to suggest such would be just an assumption. I think the proper approach would be to talk to them, get their opinions before making such assumptions, report that, and if you can't talk about it, just leave it alone.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: no, it's not an assumption. AS OF TODAY GOOGLE IS NOT BUILDING A GAME CONSOLE. Now, that might change tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
The web is just another client. Email is both on & off the web, as is chat. The fact that Wave is on the web is no more interesting than gmail being on the web.
- Cristo
Robert - and if they did. Do you have the content you have been posting?
- Rob Cairns
Jesse: Paul confirmed FriendFeed is dead. He is working on Facebook features.
- scott anderson
If you play such a ridiculous game then there are no absolutes at all and we can't make definitive statements. I'm pretty sure the sun will come up tomorrow BUT IT MIGHT NOT.
- Robert Scoble
All that's missing here is the Beer : )
- Owen Greaves
Rob: no. If FriendFeed's servers died for some reason I'd lose everything. Just like I lost everything on my friend's BBS in the 1980s. Just like I lost everything on Prodigy in the 1980s. Just like I lost everything on CompuServe in the 1990s. You'd think I'd learn.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, and somehow you were able to move on.
- Cristo
I lost on a BBS & CompuServe, I haven't lost much since :)
- Owen Greaves
What the heck would you do with it if you kept it somehow?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Cristo: the crap I write in forums doesn't have that much value. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:)
- Cristo
Robert yes I am a geek I backup up the world I actually follow what I teach people I have never lost ANY Data:) Fortunately my FF aggregates into Twitter and I back all my Twitter posts up. I also keep control of my content and data
- Rob Cairns
I'm more interested in what's next than wondering what FaceBook will do with FF
- Owen Greaves
I am one of the few geeks who practice what they preach I am backup compulsive almost
- Rob Cairns
Owen, The Singularity is next. Just talk to Tad and Lindsay.
- Cristo
I talked to Ray Kurzweil, he is certain of it :)
- Owen Greaves
I'm just concerned about all the FUD being thrown around (I'm not just blaming Robert) when we still aren't sure of FriendFeed's future. If it's a service we like, then why not continue to push it so Facebook knows that? Like I said earlier, I really miss the positive Scoble (the last post on Twitter lists was great, btw). I hope this is all taken with all due respect. I just care a lot for FriendFeed, and I want to show both Facebook and the FriendFeed team that we're still behind them.
- Jesse Stay
Who said I didn't agree with Robert in the first place, Jesse? Why is my name being used?
- Louis Gray
Jesse: I don't believe in blowing smoke up people's asses when I've been told there is "no engineering" underway on FriendFeed. Sorry. If you think I should pretend that there's a future for FriendFeed when I know otherwise then we'll have a fundamental disagreement. And the people who I learned this from are not likely to change direction anytime soon, particularly with the traffic here way down, as it is.
- Robert Scoble
Louis, my bad if that's not the case - perhaps my assumption then. I thought we were both on the same side in the argument the other day. If not I'll correct the post above.
- Jesse Stay
Hey, Jesse, I hate to bug you but before I go read through all 80 comments here... is this thread any different than any of the other 16 "is FF dead" threads from the past 3-4 days?
- Ken Sheppardson
Jessie I do too but their is caring and reality/business model. I love the service but loving a service does not make it viable to run on its own. The problem is no one is saying any thing which is usual not a positive thing either.
- Rob Cairns
Ken: no.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: That may be just wishful thinking that if we use it, make enough noise they will pull back, shift gears or what have you.
- Owen Greaves
Ken, no
- Jesse Stay
Cool. Thanks, guys.
- Ken Sheppardson
And, anyway, the market has already decided. Traffic went down 30 % in a month. Nothing I say now is going to change that. And, to tell you the truth, now that I've learned Twitter's roadmap for the next two months I'm pretty sure Twitter is going to take off again (it already has in the geek community and only a few percent has lists, wait until everyone gets those).
- Robert Scoble
I must say the Twitter LISTS are interesting
- Owen Greaves
Owen, it is wishful thinking - I really like FriendFeed and I'm going to fight it if it looks like it's getting taken away. I'm playing a "wait and see" approach now. IMO it's too early to make assumptions though. Let's see what Facebook releases from the FF team.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it's not going to get taken away. It's just not going to get any new features. At least not unless Facebook has a serious change in direction.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I can appreciate your position on this, maybe I'm just more of a realist and also know that technology never stands still.
- Owen Greaves
Jesse fighting is not going to do it. The reason for the buyout only they know and they have kept the business plans quiet. So my whole thing is why invest ina service you do not know where it is going anymore?
- Rob Cairns
Robert, we'll see though - if Facebook does something better with it and makes me more productive in the Facebook environment the same way I am here I'll just switch, no questions asked (I'm a Facebook fanboy after all). If not, I hope, and I'll fight, to have FriendFeed continue to release new features after the new Facebook integration is in place.
- Jesse Stay
Rob, because right now it's still the best tool for the job - that's why I still use it at least.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I find FaceBook to laborious, I have to work too hard to make it work and those DAMN Farms & Mafia Games....I mean come on!
- Owen Greaves
Jesse but if everyone leaves it and its dying why invest would you invest money in Geocities right now even if it were the best knowing it was gone in a week or so I doubt it.
- Rob Cairns
Owen, block those requests/applications. Cleans up the wall and the invites.
- Mandy Vavrinak
Owen i avoid all the apps on Facebook that are silly
- Rob Cairns
While everyone is making assumptions, I'm going to pull one out my ass ad say that 'to the world' expands far beyond facebook.com. Using FriendFeed-esque features on your site with a FacebookConnect back end?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, I thought you were on FFundercatation.
- Cristo
Owen, I am a realist. I recognize the current state of things. I'm just trying to keep people positive until we know for sure what's happening. I'm an optimist. People are welcome to their opinions though. I want these tools to continue growing - if that happens on Facebook, great. If it happens on FriendFeed, fine. I don't think anyone knows the long-term strategy yet though (that can reveal it).
- Jesse Stay
Just walking out the door now... I have a floral shirt and flip-flops on :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Jesse but unfortunately you/we are not in control if you were I could see it. If so concerned why not fight for control and push yourself for a purchase?
- Rob Cairns
Johnny, yeah - I'm really hoping we get everything we have here in the Facebook environment. Integration of FF into Connect would be awesome. If that happens, I'm totally jumping ship.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Outside of FriendFeed, what's the thing that gets your fired up?
- Owen Greaves
Owen, Facebook ;-)
- Jesse Stay
~107 comments and only two Likes. Very iiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.
- Akiva Moskovitz
lol Jesse
- Rob Cairns
Akiva a good debate stay:)
- Rob Cairns
Now there's only one like. :P
- Cristo
Robert your quiet are you still here?
- Rob Cairns
Why FaceBook, it's not a dumb question, I'm truly curious why you feel FaceBook is the thing that fires you up.
- Owen Greaves
Owen, I think the things Facebook is doing surrounding their developer platform are powerful. Facebook Connect is HUGE. Johnny now has me thinking about FriendFeed and Connect integration - that would be AWESOME! (can you say Wave killer? (maybe))
- Jesse Stay
Rob: no. I'm gone. :-) Actually now I'm really gone to play with the kids.
- Robert Scoble
Have a great night Robert:)
- Rob Cairns
I'm still not sold on WAVE yet, Johnny's got an idea there but that's a temporary thing me thinks
- Owen Greaves
Also, Facebook lets me get into my close relationships - it's the same reason I'm really starting to like FourSquare. It's friends, family, and neighbors - real people. And it allows you to connect with them in ways you never were able to before. It *only* misses a public aspect, but I think that's changing, and *hopefully* FriendFeed is part of that. If not I'd still like them to focus on FriendFeed.com
- Jesse Stay
Jesse the big issue I have with Facebook is it's closed book and its TOS. They seem to close accounts at will with no explanation, they are not consistent, and you can not search Facebook from outside of it.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, I've got your back now - I think we both have the same love for FriendFeed. I also think we both understand FriendFeed isn't releasing new features. This is just the optimist in me speaking out - hopefully that hasn't reflected negatively on you at all. Go have fun with your kids. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse I wish Friend Feed would be a focus I love the service personally but I am also a realist. I am still on FF, I use it every day.
- Rob Cairns
Rob, they have gotten much better with that recently, and they really do listen. Each TOS change is put up for vote before its users, and if enough disagree they change it. What other services do that? Twitter is even worse with account Suspension recently. Have you tried to even contact Twitter support recently? You can't. Account suspension is a huge issue with any growing service trying to keep up with the growth.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse the problem with account suspension is they never give you a reason my other half has been threw it once and we still never received a proper reason. The only way the account was reinstated is she had a paid app and complained to the app provider who was now losing her money. As for the TOS, I still have issues with it now. An account gets deleted and they do not delete the...
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- Rob Cairns
I've updated the post title - some times I just have to think this through. Discussion really helps.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I love your PASSION, thanks for putting up with me, I hope you are right because I love FF too
- Owen Greaves
Rob, have you ever tried to enable record deletion on a 300 million+ growing user database? It's a nightmare. It's much simpler to just disable it. Regarding suspension, it's no worse than Twitter - again, it has to do with their size and relative growth rate.
- Jesse Stay
This would be called wiki blogging (viaf FF) arriving at an understanding through the discourse.
- sofarsoShawn
Owen, that's the one thing you can count on from me. I have intense passion for both FF and FB. They both have their places. I can't wait to see what they do with the merger. I will be just as passionate if I disagree with it though. I'm playing wait and see until that happens. I trust the FF team won't abandon us (nor will Facebook)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse & Robert: I'm not nearly as smart as you two but I am a passionate man with convictions, I'm a technology enthusiast that is passionate about the impact technology will have on society.
- Owen Greaves
sofarsoShawn yeah - this would probably be more effective on Wave :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse thanks for putting up with us:) I love the service and would really like it to be left alone. The industry does need more passionate people. Yes I do understand databases and what it is like but I also understand you can not toss someone without giving them a proper reason too
- Rob Cairns
Jesse: I don't share the same passion with FaceBook, to be honest, I have been lurking to see how it will improve and the ease of use will also get better
- Owen Greaves
Owen, I suggest spending some time learning it - it has its place. It's not FriendFeed (yet) though.
- Jesse Stay
Rob, I agree - I think they're working on those issues. I know they're aware of them.
- Jesse Stay
I will, on your suggestion I will make an effort. Again, thanks for sharing and listening..I'm gonna call it a night. Keep one thing in mind Jesse: How many people are better off because you lived? That's my life's war cry.
- Owen Greaves
Owen, amen to that
- Jesse Stay
Jesse thanks for caring and for your time:) I think everyone has good points just going to take time to shake out:)
- Rob Cairns
Rob Cairns & I are wacky Canadians so we see things from a different perspective. Silicon valley plays by different rules me thinks.
- Owen Greaves
We're all passionate about this - I just had to get it out of my system (I think this is the first actual post I've put on FriendFeed/Twitter about it)
- Jesse Stay
I'm glued to your Blog via Google Reader so I'll pester you again :) If you ever have the time, please do peek at my site: http://blog.owengreaves.com
- Owen Greaves
Jesse we need more passionate people around just keep being you:)
- Rob Cairns
Rob, as long as you and Owen keep being Canadian. ;-) Owen, subscribed.
- Jesse Stay
Hmmm...what does that mean, keep being CDN? LOL! I carry an axe & snow shoes...oh we live in Igloo's here in the Vancouver area :)
- Owen Greaves
Jesse you got it:) I have not spent 22 years in the Technology business to not care:)
- Rob Cairns
Jesse we will make you an honorary Canadian:)
- Rob Cairns
Rob, I will accept - I already know most of the words to the National Anthem (I had a Canadian friend growing up that forced me to learn them all)
- Jesse Stay
Have a great night Jesse:)
- Rob Cairns
You too Rob!
- Jesse Stay
Heyo Jesse, any idea who I can contact to get more twitter API calls per hour? http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
I hope friendfeed kicks it up into high gear, but how are they splitting the developers now? (I'd love to use the social media info here as well to learn more about folks with semantic tools). Two -way search and personalized ads :D
- Mark Essel
I don't use facebook for professional social networking/sharing. It's too personal. If FF goes away and integrates with facebook...FF is done for me. That would be too bad because I use FF daily.
- B2B Specialist
But surely the traffic on FriendFeed is way down because you all began saying it was doomed? (a sort of self fulfilling prophecy if you like) It wouldn't be down if you all carried on as normal would it?
- technogran
technogran that's one reason I'm fighting it
- Jesse Stay
Yes many forget that often things are driven by the users and just what they do. If everyone hadn't begun the 'FF is dead' or the 'FF is doomed' stuff and instead concentrated on encouraging more and more folks to use it, then the powers that be can't ignore that. You should all be busy working on 'spreading the word' about FF especially with the mainstream user such as myself.
- technogran
The thing is if you are passionate and love something, then don't abandon it! Instead use your powers of being a user, unite with other users and make that application so popular that the powers that be sit up and take notice!
- technogran
If Robert is back I didn't quite understand why he left. FF is still here. ;-) Either way I'm not worried, there are lots of lovely people left on FF. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
My usage has gone down, but that is mostly just due to not having the time available. Ever since I got this new job and started freelancing more I don't have to time to spend on social networks.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I'm gonna use FriendFeed much more than I have done in the past and spead the word also encourage others to do the same. Unlike Facebook FF has never really been mainstream has it?
- technogran
The Second Life of FriendFeed? - http://scobleizer.posterous.com/the-sec...
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- Robert Scoble
from Posterous
Nice post, btw. I think the only reason why I use FF now is when Twitter may be down (which, seems, doesn't happen very often...but appears to be down now for me). For now, I'll glance at FF but rarely use it as a primary way to track threads of conversation.
- Chris Judson
I'm using Friendfeed more now than I ever have. I think in part because of the community problems at Flick due to the censorship. I've largely abandoned Flickr for community and we've (at least temporarily) moved a group of people over here to Friendfeed in DMU. Friendfeed has been censorship free and largely unmoderated in contrast to other communities on the web. Rather than tell you...
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- Thomas Hawk
Robert: I confess, I too have found myself moving away from FF and spending more time on Twitter. I agree with some of your points but for not so geeky reasons. If you're building brand you want to be where the people are, well if you're doing anything really. In order to have success we have to be where everyone is, unless the place you are is so cool and has such a huge upside you...
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- Owen Greaves
Friendfeed is a social aggregation service for me more than anything else. I use it solely for posting other message to Twitter. The problem is that while it is great for that, its main focus is being the client you use to interact with social media, not just a background wiring. Until they start progressing with things like search capabilities, I don't believe it will really turn into the 'client' you use to work with social media.
- Tyler (Chacha)
I agree with Tyler. Friendfeed has some unbeatable (at the moment) social aggregation features. I also find some of the conversations tend to be more in depth and less fleeting than Twitter. However, there is a lot of competition out there that continues to drive innovation and Facebook will need to continue to invest in Friendfeed or it will lose its share of the social market.
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
I have no expectation that Facebook will make any further investment in FriendFeed. Bret and Paul should come clean about this. Not doing so is just being evil and a sign that they have sold out the FriendFeed community. They have probably drank too much of the Facebook Kool-Aid though to venture back from the dark side.
- scott anderson
Excellent read, timely as that other commenter said, especially since my last 12 logins (~2 months) included something about its changing appearance to the users. A vision I wasn't sharing but is beginning to be understood well. A educational documentary on the situation would be perfectly suited as its themes and definitions are all in the 'net entity's peripheral processing and...
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- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Doh! 911 characters hehe, that 'comment', I suppose, would've not happened if FF wasn't. Not with FB, nor Twitter. Nothing presents us with this like this. That's all. Maybe a small-timer commercially, but for the current user it's not the point.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
happy
- michael sean wright
friendfeed's embedable realtime feed rooms are amazing - they're so easy to drop into blog pages and add content to instantly via a bookmarklet. the friendfeed tech is just so powerful and simple that i'd hate to lose it, especially since i don't think anyone is near it in functionality. maybe facebook embedded content will get more powerful, but until then... i really hope it sticks around
- Kevin
Kevin: FriendFeed isn't going anywhere. I don't know why people think I'm saying that the technology will disappear. I doubt it will for years and only after Facebook matches its feature set and provides an upgrade path. But what I am saying is we won't see many more features here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: FriendFeed has for all intensive reasons all but disappeared really, 30% drop in usage, virtually no communication from the new owner what they may or may not do with the technology, or when they will integrate the real-time / search I should say.
- Owen Greaves
I started to comment and ended up writing a Blog post.. Friendfeed please don't go away http://new2me.posterous.com/friendf... (http://ff.im/a57K2)
- Chris Myles
Robert, it's occurred to me on a number of occasions to put together a timeline showing when you were pushing Twitter at the expense of FriendFeed, and when you were pushing FriendFeed at the expense of Twitter, and how often it has flip-flopped completely. But it's not worth the effort to wade through 18 months of noise. You generate interesting conversations sometimes, but I've...
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- LogEx
New camera promises to capture your whole life - http://www.newscientist.com/article...
"Originally invented to help jog the memories of people with Alzheimer's disease, it might one day be used by consumers to create "lifelogs" that archive their entire lives."
- scott anderson
from Bookmarklet
deep insight by @davewiner today. i think tech industry should think about it. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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The only insights I gain from Dave's rants are that he's bitter about his projects not getting the attention that Google and Twitter receive. His latest attempt at extortion was simply pathetic ... http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- scott anderson
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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- Robert Scoble
http://twitter.com/dens Dennis Crowley, co-founder of Foursquare is our special guest.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still not clear on what's good about this...
- Cliff Gerrish
please ask Dennis when Foursquare will roll out in europe
- HansVanRock
Cliff: there are three things that I get out of Foursquare: 1. I see what my friends are doing. That lets me meet them in real life and keep track of what they are doing. 2. It's a game, so I can play it to compete with my friends. 3. I can get tips from my friends for the location that I currently am at.
- Robert Scoble
Hans: it just launched in London last week.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the tips seem good. Do you need to check in to get them?
- Cliff Gerrish
Checking-in is like closing the "sales" loop for venues. FourSquare is a disruptor in mobile marketing and users are happy and engaged....
- Antonella Stellacci
Cliff: yes. Because checking in is how you tell the system where you are.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: London i don´t consider as europe, it´s an island lost at sea ;-)
- HansVanRock
re new places, check their blog http://foursquare.tumblr.com/post... for a list of new cities
- Antonella Stellacci
Can you privately check in, or is it alway a public gesture.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: yes. You can keep your location secret.
- Robert Scoble
HansVanRock: They also have Amsterdam.
- 321
321: who will be brave enough to check in at a coffee shop? :-)
- Robert Scoble
:-)/
- HansVanRock
Geolocation, augmented reality, etc. Foursquare seems like a simple entre to this world.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: it looks simple, just like Twitter looks simple. But that's deceiving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I meant 'simple' in the most complimentary way. Simple works.
- Cliff Gerrish
Regarding real people in augmented reality, check this out: http://blog.brightkite.com/2009...
- Martin May
Mobile advertising is a multi-billion dollars business. ....even Twitter with geo-location API and Facebook mobile will want a share of it..
- Antonella Stellacci
Loop and latency are also key elements.
- Cliff Gerrish
Hey, Gillmor, nice camera angle of your studio!
- Robert Scoble
Are these features or companies?
- Cliff Gerrish
widgets will soon start talking to each other and exchanging data. that's when user constructed solutions start getting interesting.
- scott anderson
Are there enough economics in a distributed widget mesh?
- Cliff Gerrish
widgets will be front end for services. that's where the economics come from.
- scott anderson
If you wrap up 5 widgets in a package - high risk, great leverage, low economics
- Cliff Gerrish
If you are dependent on more systems, doesn't that increase your risk? It seems like it's a downside unless you have failover to other services
- Martin May
Do we really want our phones making decisions for us? No matter how much context they have...
- Cliff Gerrish
Thanks for adding San Antonio, @dens!
- Robert J Taylor
Cliff - they are making suggestions, not decisions.
- Rob La Gesse
A better frame might be, here are the place gestures your social graph has generated. Does that suggest anything to you...
- Cliff Gerrish
that's super smart :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Have any houses been broken into based on negative location information?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: I heard of one, because of a Facebook post (or it was just a bad coincidence). But I've also heard of thieves getting caught because of Google Latitude.
- Robert Scoble
As long as thieves are also on foursquare and check in as they are robbing your place -- I guess that's ok...
- Cliff Gerrish
No 4square in Reno yet. So there must be a population threshold for cities covered at this point?
- ursi
Cliff: if someone tries breaking into my house while I'm not here they might be a little shocked. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Homeless people will "check in" the easy mark homes for their roaming buddies...
- Robert J Taylor
Aren't explicit place gestures fictional? That's their important social information content...
- Cliff Gerrish
I'd love to be able to check in on the Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds a lot like MS Mesh...
- Cliff Gerrish
Right...but the tough part is "verifying" that a person is actually at a certain place. You can make it difficult to spoof, though.
- Martin May
We're working on some interesting stuff with QR codes to do that.
- Martin May
Identity becomes a real key here.
- Cliff Gerrish
Good thoughts...totally agree with @dens
- Martin May
Steve - I like the new "studio cam" view
- Rob La Gesse
Do we run into the Facebook Beacon problem here?
- Cliff Gerrish
Steve - I like the studio cam view, too: http://img.skitch.com/2009101... (color me green for jealousy!)
- Robert J Taylor
yes, i also liked the cam angle: http://twitpic.com/lnkdg ..... great show Steve & guests!
- HansVanRock
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