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How awesome would it be if Twitter ran a PSHB hub (http://code.google.com/p...) and put rel="hub" in their feeds? http://twitter.com/statuse...

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Twitter is just a few simple things away from running an open-standards based stack in parallel with their own stack. Neither is wrong, but there are merits to doing it over existing standards as well. Let's start a movement. - DeWitt Clinton

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A movement sounds great. I support you! :) - Meryn Stol

As soon as Twitter opens up the firehose to everyone, someone can create a "mirror" of sorts that does all the right things PSHB-wise. - Eric Florenzano

Eric, I don't think they'll provide the firehose for free anytime soon. I think that right now it's an important source of revenue for them. - Meryn Stol

@Eric, are things like favorites in the firehose? What prompted this is that my favorites feed (http://twitter.com/favorit...) is still not updated on FriendFeed. All Twitter needs to do is stick a rel="hub" in there and run a hub (heck, they could use Superfeedr's or Google's) and sites like FriendFeed would get the fat pings instantly. A few hours of work and immediately the web would be better, faster, and more open. - DeWitt Clinton

I say - let's do it! - imabonehead

We can't... from the BirdDog content license - "5.ii.b - No Redistribution. Unless expressly authorized by Twitter, you may not distribute, sublicense, lease, rent or re-syndicate the Content or the Content Feed on a stand-alone basis, or display or perform the Content anywhere except on your Service." -- http://twitter.com/help... - Ken Sheppardson

This has already been discussed on the Twitter dev list (between myself and John K.) - short answer was no. Looking for that discussion... - Jesse Stay

Here it is - I was quite bummed by their response: http://groups.google.com/group... - Jesse Stay

Best solution right now is for us all to develop a standard that copies Twitter's, get that widely used and adopted with open source software that implements it, and then when Twitter is in the minority, tag on a real-time layer to it. - Jesse Stay

We (Superfeedr) are indeed working on that... it's not quite ready, but hopefully I'll have good news for early next week :) As a matter of facts, it works wuit well with user feeds already :) Search feeds are a little bit harder. - Julien

Julien, what are you guys doing about the terms of Service? I thought Twitter didn't allow that. - Jesse Stay

Per my link above, from John Kaluci: "Technically, someone could build a service to consume from the Streaming API and push into PubSubHubBub. This would be against the EULA though. " - Jesse Stay

"5.ii.b - No Redistribution. Unless expressly authorized by Twitter, you may not distribute, sublicense, lease, rent or re-syndicate the Content or the Content Feed on a stand-alone basis, or display or perform the Content anywhere except on your Service." -- http://twitter.com/help... - Ken Sheppardson

Here's my proposal - hoping you guys can join me: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

@Jesse -- good read. Just to frame this, I'll be honest, I'm not all that interested an "OpenTwitter." (Though I am all for a more open Twitter, and have nothing against people that want to clone the Twitter API.) I think what they've done is neat, but it is only a small part of what can be done once we make the web itself better at low-latency distribution of content + federation of identity and social graphs. - DeWitt Clinton

There's something much more powerful afoot than any single network or any single API. Think what could be enabled with Atom and RSS, PubSubHubbub (or rssCloud), Salmon, ActvityStreams, OAuth, OpenID, Webfinger, and Portable Contacts. That dwarfs any single thing we've seen thus far. In other words, don't think OpenTwitter; think bigger. - DeWitt Clinton

Seems to me the real attraction of Twitter's API is as a *publishing* protocol, not necessarily as a way to consume streams. For that we have the collection/stack DeWitt mentioned. But allowing someone to push out what they're doing form their iPhone, Air app, etc., sure... OpenTwitter's a good option. And that's how the platforms like Wordpress, Tumblr, etc are implementing it, right? - Ken Sheppardson

OpenTwitter could technically work on RSS. I'm thinking about a gateway of some sort that reads in RSS/RSSCloud/Atom/PSHB and publishes out in Twitter-compatible format so all the Twitter clients can understand it. I think it could actually work well with RSS, but for Twitter and others to adopt RSS, market forces are going to have to push them to do so. They're much more likely if we make it as easy as possible for the Twitter clients to do so. - Jesse Stay

* rssCloud insufficient as a base for mublogging federation. * we'll support it for real time updates (as much as we can). * if there's more functionality added to rssCloud / and/or other protocols that we can use, we'll support and adapt to new protocols as they evolve. Regarding: xmpp pubsub * it's heavy (need server, etc.) * we'd like to have it, maybe we should implement, but not a high priority right now. http://status.net/wiki... - A Mitchell

Thanks for the link to the OMB roadmap, A Mitchell. In general I like that direction -- identify and create the requisite underlying technologies, then build the special purpose (Twitter-like, microblogging, etc) services on top of them. - DeWitt Clinton

Also, I should add that I'm only suggesting rel="hub" and PSHB support for the per-user feeds. The firehose is a different story -- I'm not asking for that -- it scales differently and has direct implications for Twitter's business model. - DeWitt Clinton

DeWitt, I agree, but Twitter didn't make it sound like that was happening any time soon when I asked in that thread above. You should bring it up again on the dev list though - I'd love to see that, yes. - Jesse Stay

Marshall Kirkpatrick

How's this for an explanation of Pubsubhubbub?

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<h2>How Hubbub Works</h2> There are three parties in the Pubsubhubbub model. There's a Publisher (FeedBurner, for example), and a Subscriber (perhaps Netvibes) and the communication is facilitated through a Hub (Google's AppSpot Hub is the demo and most popular Hub so far). The publisher knows that every time new content is published it's going to notify the Hub - the Hub that gets notified will be declared at the top of the publisher's document, just like an RSS feed URL. So the Publisher delivers new content to the Hub and then the Hub will deliver that message immediately to all the Subscribers who have subscribed to recieve updates from that particular publisher. This is very different from the traditional model of a subscriber polling a publisher directly every 5 to 30 minutes (or less) to check and see if there's new content. There usually isn't and so that model is inefficient and slow. Hubbub is nearly immediate and only takes action when something important occurrs. It's... more... - Marshall Kirkpatrick

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That's good! - Julien

awesome, thanks. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Great, although Brad's kid in the backseat analogy rules. - Darren

yes, incorporating that explanation as well, thanks - Marshall Kirkpatrick

very clear explanation. spot on. - Josh Fraser

Awesome. Thanks, Marshall! - Amber Case

Pretty good. For context, I think it's important to point out that the hub in PuSH is acting as a relay. The relay is necessary largely for scaling purposes — that is, it plays a very important role, but the technology underlying the hub is extremely simple. - Chris Messina

A better example publisher would be ReadWriteWeb, rather than FeedBurner (which would likely turn into a hub itself). Let's say RWW posts a new blog post; the blogging software then pings any number of hubs with a message: "Hey, new content here". The hub says, "Great thanks," grabs the content, and then *pushes* the content to everyone on its "subscriber" list. - Chris Messina

RWW could send out those notifications itself, but it would be highly inefficient. It's better to have a hub handle and route all those notifications since that's *all* it would be doing. - Chris Messina

And, it's also not unlike SMTP ("simple mail transport protocol"). The difference is that it works over Port 80 using HTTP ("hypertext transport"), which means that you can effectively "send message to URLs" — not just email accounts! Thus, http:// status.net/chrismessina could send a message to http://twitter.com/marshallk. - Chris Messina

Chris, you're making it sound even more interesting than I was aware of. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Marshall, I agree with you on this. Chris is indeed opening our "third-eye" on the range of use cases for this. It is a powerful "atomizing" protocol delivered with very simple underlying technology. I've been looking at XMPP, AMQP & a Comet-derivative for an application that may now be accomplished quite simply via PubSubHub / PuSH. It would also be great if Chris could also get Jyri to comment over here with his views. - http://twitter.com/AAinslie - Alexander Ainslie

Marshall Kirkpatrick

My 1st draft explanation of Activity Streams:

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Everybody talks about filtering the real-time stream of information online but the Activity Streams community is the place where those conversations go on between leading engineers at the world's biggest and smallest social networks, with the goal of replacing the "walled garden" model of social networking with an open, interoperable communication marketplace. If Activity Streams succeeds, you will be able to subscribe to and filter the activities of your friends across multiple different networks, without having to sign-up for or even ever have heard of those other networks. This is almost the equivelent of AT&T phones being able to make calls to Verizon phones. Of rail-transport companies being able to ship goods across the country over different railroad networks - because the rails for the trains to run on are the same size. It's different though, because of the granular filtering by type of activity. Applications built on top of Activity Streams will allow the equivilent of a... more... - Marshall Kirkpatrick

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Can't wait. And no redundancies, please. - Laura Norvig

Will be interesting to see how much granularity over permissions the content creators will have. Will I have to just choose "yes" or "no" that anyone who is connected to me anywhere will be allowed to see my stuff? How could greater control work - seems complicated. - Laura Norvig

Seems a fair point Laura. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Here's a fractal I use that may be useful as a template for Activity Streams... 1) interest-generating opener 2) background on current threats/tension to resolve 3) opportunity or vision of a better state 4) strategy w/steps to get there 5) issues to solve before accepting strategy 6) next steps by stakeholders - Mark Frazier

This is awesome Marshall. I'm wondering whether we broaden the concept beyond messaging to decentralize the social graph itself, so app developers can leverage existing relationships without having to build on top of a facebook or a twitter...(or perhaps that is implied here?) - Tony Zito

Marshall ... thanks for the initial explanation... I've been intrigued by all the references to Activity Streams and http://activitystrea.ms/ by people I know and trust - I just haven't had the time to join another mailing list. Just yesterday I was on the site trying to understand more and reading Chris Messina's almost-year-old post: http://factoryjoe.com/blog... - Dan York

Will this "first draft" evolve into a RWW post? - Dan York

Dan, it's for our forthcoming research report on the real-time web and its future. Preorders avail at http://www.readwriteweb.com/reports... - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Do you have a pointer to an example activity stream feed? - Dave Winer

there's an example at the bottom of http://wiki.developer.myspace.com/index... - Marshall Kirkpatrick

I should find a better example than that, a live one to include in article. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Interesting. I've been unplugged from the feed / activity space for a while now. Makes me want to read up more on Activity Streams. - mikepk

That would be the first thing a developer would look for, something live they could build an app on. - Dave Winer

Tom's activity feed URL at MySpace is http://api.myspace.com/v1... but MySpace API authentication is required - looking for a live and publicly accessible one - Marshall Kirkpatrick

aha! cliqset doesn't require authentication to see theirs, http://cliqset.com/feed... - Marshall Kirkpatrick

I wish more specifications came with live, official, reference implementations. - mikepk

Dare Obasanjo

"Google wants developers to build for the open web. Microsoft wants developers to build for Silverlight" - http://scobleizer.com/2009...

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& Adobe wants devs to build 4 Flash & AIR, so what's your point? - LANjackal

Louis Gray

A good example... Truth vs. Marketing. Which is reality? :)

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How I feel... vs. how I present how I feel. :) - Louis Gray

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Louis, you look like you're a twenty-some year old college student in the first picture versus an adult. - Jimminy Fuller

Woah:s - Sardar Mohkim Khan

No he does, but I think it's also time you get some sl... Sleep is a waste of time for the unproductive. I don't think you've been unproductive lately get some sleep. - Jimminy Fuller

I'm looking left. I'm looking right. Back. forth. back. forth. In the space between truth and fiction I am playing PONG. - Micah Wittman

lol this is classic - and very brave of you to post ;) - Chris Saad

Brave, indeed. The arched brow says everything. :) - Mark Evans

*nods to Holden* :) - Micah Wittman

The first is my "old Twitter default avatar face". :) - Louis Gray

And Jimminy, one benefit of ignoring jetlag and working both time zones... Four meals! It's dinner time again! - Louis Gray

The one on the left looks like Louis "poor college student" Gray and the right is the CEO of blah-blah company. - imabonehead

Louis, I just ate my 4th meal without jetlag or working in two time zones, benefit of not sleeping more than 4 hours a day. - Jimminy Fuller

I need to change your advisor photo on http://socialtoo.com/about... now - Jesse Stay

Make sure it is the second one then, Jesse. I always hated that other photo you took. It just won't die. - Louis Gray

What are you saying about my photography skills? :-) - Jesse Stay

In the left one, Louis looks Vulcan. :-> - Kurt Starnes

Of course, I could use this one: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi... or this one: http://friendfeed.com/lasse... - Jesse Stay

Jesse makes me wonder abt @guykawasaki pic in your socialtoo about page is it the left or rght pic of Guy ;) - Sudha Jamthe

wait. is that a bib in the first pic? :) - Christian Anderson

Here are some others: http://www.ibtimes.com/content... :-) - Todd Hoff

Now he's been to London we're seeing the emergence on the world circuit of the true LG (face) brand. - Thomas Power

I thought that first shot was your inspector Clouseau impersonation. - Mark Krynsky

That's my #didntsleeponthejet look, Mark. - Louis Gray

Ok...but can you say "Does your dog bite" with a French accent for me anyways? - Mark Krynsky

Let's turn this into a meme! I just posted my "truth vs. fiction" here: http://friendfeed.com/got-mem... - April Russo (app103)

The first pic looks like that of an Apple developer who's just got his iPhone app rejected from the App store. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

Haha, superb! - Kol Tregaskes

is it much like turning up for an executive type job interview in t-shirt and jeans or in a suit. You're the same person underneath. - Ian May

they might be both marketing avatars - left youtube vs right linkedin - lol - barbarars

Obviously BOTH are reality. The right one is not a stunt model is it? ;-) - Kristi Colvin

isn't it true that no one has one single face? - Martha from BuddyFeed

It was an honour to photograph you Louis, hopefully something for you to remember your London trip by - John Cassidy

Boom-Boom-Wow - Cheyenne

We all try to show our best side to the outside world, particularly when it's with regard to business. But is it really disingenuous to show a happy face any more than it would be to show a scowl? Neither represents you or the collective us 100% of the time. Does this mean we need a chart with all our moods on it to greet potential clients? :) I do like the arched brow. hehe - Sheryl

Sorry to say this, Louis, but I will attempt to run away if I see someone coming to me bearing that smile you have on the second photo. I'd be like, "Darnit, here's another salesman wanting to pressure me into buying some thingamajig again..." No offense, Louis. But even for marketing, I really think you can do without the oh-so-friendly smile :-) - Pandu ● IT Optimizer from fftogo

Both! - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Louis is a pro smiler :) - Steve Chou

Both - but the guy on the couch looks like more fun ;) - beautiful world

lol! XD - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

Derek van Vliet to Derek's feed, Get Set Games, RWW: The Future of Tech, Android, iPhone, 3G iPhone

xkcd - iPhone or Droid - http://xkcd.com/662/

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#iphone #android #mobile - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

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curious what people make of the new RT on twitter - Christopher Harris

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and Google's acquisitions of Admob and Gizmo5 - Raphael, Raphael

We should start shortly, I'm still waiting for Steve Gillmor to call me up. - Robert Scoble

ready for Gillmor Gang with @jobsworth - Kevin Marks

Livestream launches free live streaming to iPhone and iPod Touch Safari. http://iphone.livestream.com/ - Raphael, Raphael

On the call, should start shortly. - Robert Scoble

New New York Times sounds like something from Futurama. - Raphael, Raphael

snap, iPhone - Raphael, Raphael

So... is Palm dead? - Ken Sheppardson

What's palm? - Cliff Gerrish

You remember, Cliff... the last company to release a phone the Robert said was better than the iphone. - Ken Sheppardson

whining about a default setting? - Raphael, Raphael

Didn't 3com used to own them... - Cliff Gerrish

Before the Apple people took over... - Ken Sheppardson

I like that slogan: "It's geekier" - Cliff Gerrish

No, Android is Linux to Apple's Apple. - Ken Sheppardson

iPhone = Windows, Palm = Apple, Android = Linux ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble needs something to argue about to feel relevant - scott anderson

Maybe Microsoft should release a phone operating system... - Ken Sheppardson

Here we go... - Mike Doeff

Hold on, hold on... Michael... did you *pay* for that Droid? - Ken Sheppardson

that was bizarre. i was getting overlapping audio. And Ken, you are a naughty, naughty boy. :) - Karoli

Ken - you trouble maker you! - Rob La Gesse

scott: give me a break. - Robert Scoble

I bought my own Droid. - Robert Scoble

I'm buying a Droid tomorrow - on a G1 now - Kevin Marks

I'm afraid to try the Droid as I'm pretty heavily emotionally invested in the Pre :-) - Ken Sheppardson

dang, you guys are really making me want a Droid. And Scoble hating is a great bonus. - Raphael, Raphael

geeks make me laugh...the latest and greatest rivalries of geek toys. too bad Aron's not here to be one of the cool kids. - Karoli

As we saw with the Pre, you can say some device "single handedly restored" whatever, but just wait six months... - Ken Sheppardson

Is the web the platform, or are we seeing 2 or 3 new platforms in this space? - Cliff Gerrish

The web is the one true platform. - Raphael, Raphael

one platform to rule them all? - Karoli

These guys are pissing me off..give me a break talking about how much better the apps are - Android just needs a little more time until the apps are mature - iPhone didn't have apps at first. The 1st version of the Facebook app wasn't perfect, there have been enhancements, upgrades etc - Kenny

what nokia is dead? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

What market doesn't have one big 50% market share leader and 2-3 alternative smaller players? - Ken Sheppardson

the Android OS is an integrated component model where iPhone is a monolithic app model - scott anderson

The fact that Android is now getting momentum means, more, and better apps are coming very soon. Loving my HTC Hero !!! - Jim @TechFrog Alden

Who's the really old guy leading this whole thing? - Kenny

It is too soon to draw conclusions, folks. - Mona Nomura

Kenny: Steve Gillmor. - Robert Scoble

Kenny: I can't compare products based on what might be. I have to look at WHAT IS!!!! - Robert Scoble

Mona: Is it too early to draw the conclusion that more than one option can survive? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks Robert - Kenny

Android is where the market is heading, more so outside the US, where iphone is a bit player. - mark w webster

mark: when I travel overseas I see iPhone usage very heavy. - Robert Scoble

I am very happy with my Droid. The apps are updating for the new Android 2.0. A new update to Twidroid will be out next week according to a tweet from the developer today. - Mike Shulman

mono is being ported to Android - scott anderson

you mix with geeks Robert :) - mark w webster

True Robert, but I think Android will only improve as time goes on, just like Apple and the iPhone did. - Kenny

I can see the back of Robert Scoble's head right now. This is too much real time web. ;) - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

The bar should not be set solely on platform and hardware -- the devs are a huge part of a phone's success. If Android developers step up, and the iPhone stays proprietary to AT&T, that opens up a whole new ball game. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 may make the apps more irrelevant. - Rob La Gesse

How is it that guys like this who love Tech, are considered the Top of Social Media all have the worst Web Cams, Audio Levels at all ranges and are crying about cutting each off like they are in some Playground, this is why nobody pays attention to them, blah! - Lorenzo

the Droid is just one phone. think about the difference between G1 and Droid. the next leap will be just as significant. - scott anderson

Not if your data plan cannot support it. AT&T's 3G is garbage and I don't have the patience to wait for sites to load. Hence, apps FTW. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 is key - the new platform for mobile web on all phones - Kevin Marks

I love all the commentary regarding Apple control of the app store. You should have tried building apps for Verizon. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get an application cleared to be put into their deck. You couldn't even write apps for Verizon if you didn't have a small war chest. - Jerry Schuman

Mona, agree 100% - Karoli

Even RIM hardcore fans are ready to jump to Android. - Karoli

I suspect the most disruptive thing to happen to the handset industry will be a regulatory end to carrier lock in in the next 3-5 years. - Ken Sheppardson

@Lorenzo I am a big fan of these guys. By the way, who was that guy in the East Coast Vegas video? - PC Easy

Am I really listening to grown men talk about Cell Phones? This country is doomed - Lorenzo

iphone market share over here tops less than 5%, though app availability is high on buyers minds, Android is making good strides in that area, it's a two horse race IMO. - mark w webster

RIM will be implementing WebKit browser in 2010 - Marc Delurgio

RIM hasn't progressed - at all, and their attempts have been nothing but FAIL. BB Storm? Really?? - Mona Nomura

ending carrier lock would be awesome! - Raphael, Raphael

Lorenzo - you don;t have to watch/listen... - Kenny

I know kenny, however i think im permitted to give my opinion as long as I dont use vulgarity - Lorenzo

Changing the balance of power for phone development is key. The platform has been taken away from the telecoms. - Cliff Gerrish

I call bullshit on that fact. Get ready when each different handset starts having different requirements. - Jerry Schuman

True - Kenny

And those who keep bringing up HTML5, perhaps on Verizon's data it may run fine but on AT&T's unreliable 3G? NO. CDMA ftw. - Mona Nomura

100k iPhone apps doesn't matter - make 50 essential apps are avail for top 4 platforms, then the playing field is leveled - Marc Delurgio

I still think for a polished product that is easy to pick up and use, the Palm Pre is still my Favorite. - Luke Kilpatrick

I'm a big fan of Google Voice, except for the translations - they're pretty bad - Kenny

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I expect Android to take over handsets the same way Linux has taken over the desktop :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

lol - Kenny

Scoble - I have ridden with you while you use a cell phone for navigation - it is VERY scary! - Rob La Gesse

Palm Pre was introduced only recently here, a real Turkey, just in time for Xmas. - mark w webster

Lorenzo - I've seen you on Twitter and I know you use vulgarity. - PC Easy

Apple doesn't do cloud services. A single iPhone app developer will have a hard time competing with Google on that front. - scott anderson

PCEasy, are you not the person on twitter that continues to make horrible comments about Leo's face? - Lorenzo

Android will take over handsets because Windows Mobile is pitiful and iPhone OS is not available to 3rd-party devices. - Raphael, Raphael

Rob: that's because iPhone doesn't do turn-by-turn so you have to look at the screen. - Robert Scoble

WM is dead, or at least, its in dire need of defibrilation - mark w webster

I still think the Droid reminds me of the feel of a 80's Transformer. I think the HTC Hero is a much more polished phone and will get better with Android 2.0. - Luke Kilpatrick

Google Nav does work pretty well, especially since its free, but it does need some improvements - but it's good enough that I canceled my Verizon Navigator - Kenny

apps will die - web apps will prevail - Marc Delurgio

IT's on all these devices, Steve - Ken Sheppardson

The Pre does turn by turn, for free and it works great. I still think the Google map app is pretty good. - Luke Kilpatrick

Robert Scoble, why is it you top tech geeks cant get your audibles to the same level, let alone have a decent webcam? Also, do you feel that 1938Media is slightly over-rated? Thank you - Lorenzo

HTML5 is not Reality. Not until we get rid of IE6 - Luke Kilpatrick

Lorenzo: that's Steve Gillmor who has control of audio levels. - Robert Scoble

Luke: IE6 isn't a problem on smartphones :-) - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is dead. anyone who develops for it is a fool. - Karoli

Who is 1938media? I heard he's telling lies but I blocked him so I don't know what he's up to. - Robert Scoble

Robbie Scobbie, I thank you. - Lorenzo

The levels aren't perfect but still pretty good considering that you have 5 different people in 5 different locations on laptops - Kenny

He always talks crap about you on twitter to pceasy - Lorenzo

Chrome and Safari - Jerry Schuman

firefox for when I need firebug - Jerry Schuman

Lorenzo: I don't care. He lies. That's all I need to know. - Robert Scoble

IE only when my machine needs to dial home to Microsoft for something - Ken Sheppardson

I tried Chrome in Ubuntu and couldn't access any https:// pages. - Raphael, Raphael

Yes but as a developer that builds web apps I still have to target IE6 which sucks majorly but its still the standard at enterprise. - Luke Kilpatrick

Android is licensed with Apache 2.0, a very business-friendly open source license - scott anderson

Every iPhone developer enters a royalty agreement with Apple. - Rob La Gesse

"Large market share" isn't the same thing as "network effect" - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is the main reason I like doing Mobile dev better than just core web dev as you only need to target 1 main rendering engine - Webkit. Although there are some differences between iPhone, Andriod and Palm Pre. iPhone has the best implementation. - Luke Kilpatrick

Still waiting on my Ribbit Voice invite code. - Jerry Schuman

Whos the heavy breather? :) - Kenny

Jerry, use gang09 - Cliff Gerrish

thanks cliff - Jerry Schuman

Neat. Will Ribbit have VOIP? Is it free? - Raphael, Raphael

Holy Macro, what a time I had getting here. - Matt Terenzio

So, can we use Ribbit + iPhone to equal GoogleVoice + Droid? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff Basically. - Robert Scoble

Although I will compare those this weekend. - Robert Scoble

Ok, that breathing is creepy - Jim @TechFrog Alden

What happened, Matt? Your FF browser crash? :) - Rob La Gesse

Hm... that code just gets me an "account reserved".... - Ken Sheppardson

Hey Kevin, give the live web audience a ribbit code... - Cliff Gerrish

ribbit code for gillmor gang listeners is "gang09" sign up at ribbit.com - Kevin Marks

Had to reboot everything was moving slowwww - Matt Terenzio

Kevin: But that just gets you a "Ribbit Account Reserved" email? - Ken Sheppardson

sweet, thanks Kevin Marks. - Raphael, Raphael

Should kids have a google voice number? With parents controlling the switchboard? - Cliff Gerrish

the accounts will go out over the next few days Ken - Kevin Marks

Cool. Thanks, Kevin. - Ken Sheppardson

LOL - Kenny

looking forward to trying ribbit.... - Karoli

On the net - Apple could fade like AOL, The Apple Tablet will make Iphone, android Apps quite secondary. Phone will have a much smaller earprint. - Arnie Klaus

double dare someone to call Scoble. - Raphael, Raphael

OK, everyone -- call Robert! - Cliff Gerrish

what was that numnber?? - Kenny

I will admit - I called Robert once, trying to find him at a meet-up in Half Moon Bay. It came in handy. - Mike Doeff

Doh, crunchpad!?!? - Kenny

i want a crunchpad, she whined. - Karoli

So it should be out soon?? - Kenny

will the crunchpad run Android? - scott anderson

...or Chrome OS - Ken Sheppardson

no contact points, composite enclosed, for kids and up - Arnie Klaus

Chrome w/ Android plug-ins - scott anderson

+1-425-205-1921 - Robert Scoble

Get it out before Christmas Mike. - Mike Doeff

I'm amazed you don't get a ton of prank calls - Kenny

+1-707-WEB-LIVE - Matt Terenzio

Kenny: I have your phone number if you call me. - Robert Scoble

More QVC... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I've never called but if I need a tech opinion I might hit you up - Kenny

tablets will replace kiosks not personal devices - scott anderson

One handed computing - easy to misinterpret that one - Mike Doeff

haha, one-handed computing. - Raphael, Raphael

books, text books, movies, homework... - Arnie Klaus

solar - Arnie Klaus

maps, cookbooks, phonebooks... - Ken Sheppardson

I think Apple bought major textbook rights. - Arnie Klaus

On train to NYC yesterday NewBiz News conference there were 8 newspapers 1 kindle and two iphones in my car. I was using iphone - Matt Terenzio

doorbell on TV! I like this guy. - Raphael, Raphael

Mostly Wall Street Journals - Matt Terenzio

Tuck that phone into my ear, on with the tablet - Arnie Klaus

My comcast phone shows up on my tv. Really like it. - Cliff Gerrish

my doorbell has it's own Gmail address - you can email to ring it. And no - will NOT give that number out :) - Rob La Gesse

Remember when we all had to carry backpacks in school? - Arnie Klaus

Wasn't Bluetooth supposed to handle all this? - Ken Sheppardson

My backpack is in the cloud now... - Cliff Gerrish

Alright guys, I gotta go. Keep up the good debate! - Kenny

I need to go look at how Activitystrea.ms handle location and proximity... - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff, does that mean just on the internet or do you mean virtual hosting as in AWS or Rackspace etc - Matt Terenzio

will iPhone apps run on all these different types of devices? does Apple have the resources to make that happen? - scott anderson

Bump is on the Android as well - Kenny

I just want seamless handoff between my cell phone and desk phone - Ken Sheppardson

Matt, all sorts of cloudish locations.. - Cliff Gerrish

I ask because someone used cloud at work today and I'm pretty sure they meant just on a server. I didn't ask. - Matt Terenzio

We don't really have an identity concept (or agency) that works with this node linking idea. - Cliff Gerrish

Of course, my office isn't exactly Cliff level - Matt Terenzio

It's a different level in the protocol stack, Robert - Ken Sheppardson

tweetdeck with touch - Arnie Klaus

i love my Kindle. LOVE IT. - Karoli

I'm getting a Nook. Dumb name - nice device. - Rob La Gesse

the techies are gonna be so harsh on the crunchpad - Marc Delurgio

I love getting instant books. I love sending PDFs over for reading later. I love getting The Nation automatically. - Karoli

Rob, I'm thinking of getting a Nook for my daughter...to compare. - Karoli

Books will go down fast in the coming months - Matt Terenzio

Kindel is bridge technology to the post script generation....Iʻve read many more books through audio. - Arnie Klaus

As soon as a standard format emerges, it's over - Matt Terenzio

The Nook looks cool but I'm waiting for the Apple Tablet. - Robert Scoble

the Nook runs on Android - scott anderson

Virtual roundtable time... any thoughts on spdy protocol announcement? - Alberto Saavedra

Scoble - yes - assuming it has a bright-light readable screen. I doubt it. - Rob La Gesse

scott, that's one of the reasons I want the Nook. (for my daughter, of course...LOL) I want to try an Android device. - Karoli

I wish, the textbooks comes on ebook usable format instead of watered down version. - ashish

ashish, agree. textbooks should be ebook, full version. - Karoli

Using the term "open" to mean seven different things at the same time can be a problem... - Ken Sheppardson

@ken - glad you opened that line of thought - Rob La Gesse

Ken: agreed. - Robert Scoble

imagine if our phones ran on closed networks - scott anderson

It's really just a question of whether any node can listen and talk over the network. - Cliff Gerrish

How do we define variable communities? - Arnie Klaus

Scott: they would be like IM was for years. - Robert Scoble

Scott: They do. Call Sprint and ask them if you can use your iPhone on the "open" phone network. Or the device you slapped together from parts you got at Fry's - Ken Sheppardson

good comment Robert (there's your break) - scott anderson

Good show, Steve. Thanks to all. - Karoli

thanks, all! - Rob La Gesse

Great show, thanks. - Mike Doeff

laters - Raphael, Raphael

Will the textbook publishers allow that to happen without lowering profits? I hope they realize that new form interactive ebooks can create more market opportunities. - ashish

another great show Steve. Your production keeps getting better. - Paul E. Ester

Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeed Talk

Good grief, if you want to read tech stuff only on FriendFeed then go to all the great tech related groups. If you are thinking that Best of is going to be tech only then you are using FriendFeed incorrectly. Best of will give you a wide variety of content. Use lists, saved searches and the hide button to filter what you want.

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You control the content you see on FF. - Kol Tregaskes

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As for great tech groups, here's a few: - Kol Tregaskes

Apps: http://friendfeed.com/welovea... - Kol Tregaskes

All Things Google: http://friendfeed.com/googleb... - Kol Tregaskes

TheNextWeb Forum: http://friendfeed.com/the-nex... - Kol Tregaskes

Exactly. - Itachi

The Next Web Europe: http://friendfeed.com/techine... - Kol Tregaskes

The Goodie Room: http://friendfeed.com/goodies - Kol Tregaskes

How I Followed 30,000 People And Then Freaked Out When They Talked About Human Interests And Not Just My Beloved Tech Startups - Daniel J. Pritchett

Then you can drill down to specifics like Google Wave: http://friendfeed.com/google-... and http://friendfeed.com/google-... - Kol Tregaskes

And you've got tech sites groups like RWW: http://friendfeed.com/rww and Mashable: http://friendfeed.com/mashfri... - Kol Tregaskes

LOL, so true Kol. But given that things in Best Of Day are not tech-related anymore, does that make FF mainstream like Twitter? I love to follow geeks too but I understand the world is full of different interests. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Lastly there are the big social media groups: http://friendfeed.com/social-... and http://friendfeed.com/social-... and http://friendfeed.com/social-... - Kol Tregaskes

Oh and there is a big Twitter group: http://friendfeed.com/twitter... - Kol Tregaskes

"all we are doing is boosting his ego " - well, there was that burn about a so-called "geek" needing to look up how to do screenshots... made the whole thread worthwhile IMO. (I can't roll my eyes hard enough when media branding topics are considered "geek" topics, BTW.) - Andrew C

and yes, I am full of haterade! - Andrew C

I'm not going to search for my FriendFeed friends on Facebook or Twitter. No offense but I don't want to interact with you folks on Facebook, and Twitter's 140 character limit is for morons. - Terris Linenbach

+140 Terris! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

if every friend were chosen purely based on discussion of technology, then the general stream would more strongly favor that subject. otherwise, groups also have a "best of" page, as do friends lists, either of which could have a more narrow focus - Mike Chelen

Terris: the character limit becomes unnoticeable after ongoing usage, more discussion can be broken into many posts if a subject requires. standalone clients can also be helpful - Mike Chelen

Mark: the overall number of tech or non-tech users on a service shouldn't influence the posts see in either friendfeed or twitter home pages, since they depend only on what the user's friends are posting - Mike Chelen

Daniel: lol! - Mike Chelen

uh oh, another FF rant ;) - Terry O'Fee

Matt Mastracci

The days of server side rendering of dynamic HTML are numbered. It makes a lot more sense to shift the load to the client w/good svr APIs.

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So, so true. Plus, rendering any part of your app on the server (except perhaps as a startup optimization) makes offline support damned near impossible. - Joel Webber

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I haven't been following GWT lately, but my main issue with these approaches is they make the latency of first view inherently, significantly worse than simple HTML because you have to load the HTML and JS serially before doing the additional work of rendering the page/fetching the page data. That "flash" we see in all Google apps annoys me quite a bit, and annoys me more for web sites that aren't really "apps" in the Google Apps sense - Bret Taylor

FriendFeed renders stuff on the server and the client using shared code. I think that approach leads to the best user experience by far for most apps (apps like Gmail and Google Docs are probably special/different in this regard). I just think too many apps start off with this approach when it doesn't really benefit their code or use experience. - Bret Taylor

I think that the client-only approach is difficult initially because there aren't a lot of good patterns for it. With careful juggling of CSS/script load order, you can get an experience that's faster than that of most server-rendered websites (ie: Digg) without any sort of UI flash. Once you've taken that initial hit, you user experience can be so much better. I'm still working on some code in this area, but I hope to release a GWT library that automates the whole process soon. - Matt Mastracci

Without using GWT's runAsync, you definitely take a big initial runtime hit. If you hope to run all of your code dynamically, there has to be some sort of incremental load process. - Matt Mastracci

Another approach is to send the data down with the scripts. In general, GWT reduces the number of HTTP transactions compared to what people usually do by hand (it's had automatic resource bundling/spriteing for a long time). For example, you could write a servlet that bundles the first fragment of a GWT app, along with data, in the initial download, so the major overhead is generating... more... - Ray Cromwell

@Bret: I completely agree that "content" and "apps" should be treated differently, and some sites are difficult to place into one of these two pigeonholes. If your site is primarily "content" and you really are just loading one (mostly) static page after another, you're probably never going to be able to write js that outperforms the browser's progressive renderer. I also agree that if... more... - Joel Webber

But I'm also looking forward to seeing Matt's library. I think that with really aggressive code splitting, careful precaching of data, and careful rendering (a lot of work, I know), you should be able to get the best of both worlds. And avoid *my* big pet peeve, which is static pages that get into bizarre, inconsistent states because they attempt to perform some logic on the client, some on the server, and have no consistent model. - Joel Webber

I think you could also enhance server-side selection script by allowing it to combine the initial host "dynamic" HTML page and initial JS fragment in one HTTP request. They'll be no blocking or extra HTTP requests to get the page up and running, assuming you runAsync() on a point after the DOM is stable. This would avoid any flashing, limit serial HTTP requests prior to first render to... more... - Ray Cromwell

We are serving all of our big JS from a CDN, making it tougher to customize dynamically. Including the initial RPC fragments in the HTML would probably work, though I haven't experimented along those lines. - Matt Mastracci from iPhone

Edge Side Includes may or may not help. e.g. you can deploy your JS to the CDN, and use ESI to inject the JS into the HTML served from the CDN. I think it depends on how 'dynamic' your HTML is if this is a win or not. - Ray Cromwell

Our current CDN (CloudFront) doesn't support any ESI magic and has a minimum TTL of 24h, so we have to ensure everything served from there is really static. I'll probably revisit most of the choices we've made so far in the near future and put together a set of good practices for highly dynamic web applications that I can offer up for peer review. There's not a lot of public literature on this sort of webapp. - Matt Mastracci

Tim Hoeck to Tim's feed, Android

[Testing] Getting an emulator up and running a full ROM with the Market etc. - Android @ MoDaCo - http://android.modaco.com/content...

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Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...?

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Should be a good show. Craig Burton always has something interesting to say. - Cliff Gerrish

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Waiting for call. - Robert Scoble

Looking forward to the show. - Matt Mastracci

A fellow Utahn - I will be watching :-) - Jesse Stay

hmmm. silverlight plugin just went kerfluey on me...let's see if it works now. - Karoli

Still waiting for skype call... - Robert Scoble

Looks like we're very close to start. - Robert Scoble

ah..working now. - Karoli

Chris Messina is on too. - Robert Scoble

Yay Phil and Craig! Two of my favorite Utahns - Jesse Stay

Robert's pretty close to having a "lair" there... - Ken Sheppardson

LIve from @ribbit http://bit.ly/Spawn on Gillmor Gang - Kevin Marks

robert, i can't imagine going from that to an iphone. your head must explode daily. - Karoli

Twitter.com FTW! - Jesse Stay

Actually, I use e-mail for most of my Twitter activity - Jesse Stay

Robert's head exploding is all part of the show. - Cliff Gerrish

You guys should be sure to talk about the new Paypal identity proposals - Jesse Stay

Karoli: info density is pretty crazy! Jesse: I got some good interviews on that yesterday. Should be up on Building43 next week. - Robert Scoble

where are they again? - Christopher Harris

Phil and Chris are at http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com - Ken Sheppardson

thx - Christopher Harris

I love how all the Identity pieces are fitting together now with OpenID+OAuth Hybrid, WebFinger and XRD and Activity Streams and PoCo at #iiw this week - Kevin Marks

IIW was great this year. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, I'm getting more info on it as well - they want to be much more open than it appeared in the keynote - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I will try to introduce PayPal's identity moves into this conversation. Also, what @marcglasberg http://icents.net is doing to turn Twitter into a micropayments system for content. - Robert Scoble

Robert, missed what @marcglasberg is doing - can't wait to hear more - Jesse Stay

Someone tell Craig to turn the sounds off on his TweetDeck ;-) - Jesse Stay

and tell them I said hi from the chat (I don't think they're watching this) - Jesse Stay

"Open ID threat level Orange?" - Rob La Gesse

OpenID is just putting on long pants, a shirt and a tie. - Cliff Gerrish

says @chrismessina the Govt is encouraging people to use OpenID as most people have them already. - Kevin Marks

Badfinger or Webfinger? - Cliff Gerrish

Email seems like a bad identifier. - Cliff Gerrish

http://webfinger.org - it is a protocol to map an emial address into an OpenID endpoint - works with gmail and yahoo already - Kevin Marks

Just ran into this on stackoverflow.com... they have logos for 10 different OpenID providers or your own URL and I think I have IDs on 8 of them... and I have no idea which one I used to create my account. - Ken Sheppardson

The right number of id providers is 1. Selectors can solve this problem. - Cliff Gerrish

We should be able to "transform" emails to OpenID, as described here: http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008... (see comments) - Panayotis Vryonis

Hey Kevin how do I get involved in what you guys are doing with OpenID? - Jesse Stay

Jesse, come to the next IIW. - Cliff Gerrish

It would be great if Twitter supported OpenID as well as OAuth #iiw - Kevin Marks

Watching the show but the FF stream is "frozen" from last week?just me? - Paul Sherer from iPhone

Twitter as an OpenID provider? - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff, I wasn't aware of it - that would have been interesting. I was just out there the last 3 days at the Paypal conference. - Jesse Stay

Paul, refresh. The thread has been updated inside NewsGang. - Cliff Gerrish

Wow - I didn't realize Paypal was part of the OpenID foundation - Jesse Stay

@Paul - working fine here. Are you at http://www.building43.com/realtim... ? - Rob La Gesse

I don't quite understand why we need Salmon independent of Activitystrea.ms. Seems like a "feature" of activitystreams. - Ken Sheppardson

I'll head over to building34, thanks. - Paul Sherer

Monica's Activity Streams prezi: http://prezi.com/yxvtypx-aani/ maps out the ideas behind it too - Kevin Marks

Calling out "comment streams" as some special case of activities seems like a dead end. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, Salmon is just the part that shows how to send the comments upstream, it fits in with Activity Streams fine. - Kevin Marks

Of course in FF the comment thread can appear in multiple places simultaneously via iframe. - Cliff Gerrish

So, Kevin, can Salmon support any Activitystreams objects? ... Got it. - Ken Sheppardson

Salmon I'm Atom... I'm getting lost here - Frank Paynter

Cool, I'm totally going to rip off the salmon idea and make my own proprietary protocol. - Raphael, Raphael

do you need an iFrog to use ribbit? - Frank Paynter

Okay - I missed the last 15 mins. Did I miss anything? - Jesse Stay

If Gillmor Gang watchers want Ribbit Mobile, got to http://ribbit.com/reserve.php and use the invite code 'gang09' - Kevin Marks

Is Messina on the Space Station? - Jesse Newhart

I wish somebody would put together some sort of over-arching reference document that explains how you build something that uses PSHB, OpenID, OAuth, Salmon, Activitystreams, etc in the "correct" way in an integrated system. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, check out the identity commons. - Cliff Gerrish

I really wish Phil and Craig were in here. I need to get those guys together for lunch some time. That would be a fun meeting. - Jesse Stay

I think you can catch both Phil and Craig at the Kynetx conference. It's coming right up. - Cliff Gerrish

Conference de jour, literally ;-) Can't we all just agree to get together once a year or so in one place and deal with everything at once? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

how about adding lists to lists? when's that coming? - Frank Paynter

Ken, that's what the weekly Gillmor Gang is for. Everyone in one place in real time. - Cliff Gerrish

I love how Atom is so flexible that we can add all these extra layers on top of it. ActivityStreams, Salmon, PSHB, etc - Matt Mastracci

YES. filters to something manageable. - Karoli

frank, isn't that what listorious is for? :) - Karoli

Cliff: It's just that all these conference give me the apparently mistaken impression that there are more than 10 or so folks who I really have to follow ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Karoli... mebbe, but I'm a fan of bundling functionality within the native platform - Frank Paynter

Seems like building a bunch of translators is the best way to get adoption. - Cliff Gerrish

Isn't that what Gnip's supposed to be doing? - Ken Sheppardson

Facebook just needs to remove the 24 hour storage limit and it will be free - Jesse Stay

@cgerrish yes, translators into Activity Streams rather than n by n translators is an important saving - Kevin Marks

Cliff, yeah - I'll be at the Kynetx conference - Jesse Stay

I see Phil all the time - haven't met Craig yet (except online) - Jesse Stay

Amen Mark - more clients need to support activitystrea.ms - Jesse Stay

Myspace is still very much in the game - Jesse Stay

Wait and see - there are some huge things coming to Myspace - Jesse Stay

So we're all going to speak activitystreams on the global back-end bus and all these sites just become "clients"? Cool. I'm down with that. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, all but Twitter, at least the way they're going - Jesse Stay

MySpace need a major shift to survive - Rocky Barbanica

Rocky, keep watching. - Jesse Stay

But if *everything* else is connected, we can all just pool our API call limits to pull the full feed out of Twitter and translate it to AS - Ken Sheppardson

Go tell @loic to support Activity Streams from MySpace and Netflix, @scobleizer - Kevin Marks

That's the theory, Ken. At least until the next time something closed and exciting comes along, ;) - Matt Mastracci

It will be everyone supports open standards, then you'll also have to support Twitter's own standard - at least if you ask John at Twitter - Jesse Stay

JK's sane, Jesse... if this all got widespread adoption I think you'd see a different bottom-up attitude from Twitter... - Ken Sheppardson

The custom adapters actually creates a value proposition. - Cliff Gerrish

http://cliqset.com is an Activity Streams supporting aggregator, as is MS Live - Kevin Marks

Facebook needs public indexing to get legit... they can't because of privacy aspect of their service... FriendFeed can provide the opening to public indexing of Facebook users' wall content... - Frank Paynter

Ken, yeah - I just don't like his attitude around it - Jesse Stay

anything but FB, please. - Karoli

Frank, you can use FQL to search Facebook pretty much site-wide (at least as privacy allows) - Jesse Stay

I can sorta see Twitter's point... I mean Evan came to them a year ago and said "Hey, you should support OMB" and their natural response as "Uh... no.... why? Nobody's using it..." - Ken Sheppardson

I should note Twitter doesn't allow specific queries like FQL btw - Jesse Stay

I'd just as soon not search Facebook. or even use it. - Karoli

Jesse...yahbut, you can't find Facebook content on google - Frank Paynter

@Frank - yet! - Rob La Gesse

Frank, yes you can - Jesse Stay

There's a strong current of relevant discussion on Facebook that is hard for me to ignore - Frank Paynter

If Activitystreams was implemented widely, I suspect the engineers at Twitter would warm up to it. That might not be a sufficient condition, but it's certainly necessary. - Ken Sheppardson

sad that no-one from @twitterapi came to IIW this year; @blaine came + helped invent OAuth when they were 1/10th the size - Kevin Marks

Frank: http://www.google.com/search... - Jesse Stay

Facebook encourages self-censorship, or disownership, depending. (Basically I don't really want my Republican spouse reading my liberal rants) - Karoli

@Kevin - they are busy building lists. - Rob La Gesse

Kevin, yeah - that's been my perception - they're taking no part in any of the open efforts, which concerns me - Jesse Stay

I think we all scared them off at BearHugCamp last fall ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Kevin, is Facebook there at all? I imagine Recordon's probably there? - Jesse Stay

That's consistent with what Bret said last week, RE Facebook - Ken Sheppardson

hubs will be distributed. facebook will lose their advantage. - scott anderson

scott, i think so too. Google federating wave is one step closer to that... - Karoli

perfect question - Rocky Barbanica

Where's Microsoft in all this, btw? - Ken Sheppardson

MSFT had a big presence at IIW - Information cards (selectors) started with them. - Cliff Gerrish

Here's another good Google search on Facebook: site:www.facebook.com lists - status updates will very soon also be part of that - Jesse Stay

What did Scoble just call his wife? - Cliff Gerrish

As soon as grandmas start using a service, Robert bails... so... y'know... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scott, Facebook is becoming distributed - Jesse Stay

Jesse... thanks for the "site: facebook" clue, but it's weak... I've just been testing it and nothing relevant emerged in response to specific search requests - Frank Paynter

Ken - MS is busy building layoff packages and not serious software. - Rob La Gesse

MSFT had a lot of good people at #iiw, and they are really contributing to the Activity Streams and OWF efforts - Kevin Marks

@KevinMarks. Thanks for the mention. Yes, we (Cliqset) currently normalize activity from 70+ services into activity streams compliant atom feeds. We also share them in real-time through our APIs. - Darren

Frank, a lot of cool articles about Twitter lists - I thought it was interesting "site:facebook.com lists" - Jesse Stay

Save the demo for a building43 video :) - Rob La Gesse

Frank, status updates are also very soon going to be included in that as well. Very soon you'll see those come up in search results. - Jesse Stay

We will, Rob - Rocky Barbanica

Seeing individual engineers and marketing folks from MSFT at different events reminds me alot of my old NASA days, when you'd always find some sort of "rogue" engineer off working on pretty much any project you can imagine. Every once in a while all the "rogue" engineers from the different centers who were working on similar projects would get together... but they were rarely funded and projects never went anywhere. But on the flip side... I'm glad they're involved :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble is such a non-programmer. Everything he says that's hard sounds easy. "How do I bundle 3 tweets?" Just use take their URIs or copy the text. - Raphael, Raphael

Interesting show. - Rob La Gesse

Thanks for the info Jesse - Frank Paynter

Oh man... - Rocky Barbanica

thanks, steve - Karoli

Vezquex: sorry, that just does NOT do it for me. - Robert Scoble

what more do you need? - Raphael, Raphael

Vezquex: I want to put them on a page and have them look like Tweets, mixed with YouTUbe videos, mixed with photos. Make it freaking easy. Copy and pasting and doing screen captures is NOT easy for most people. - Robert Scoble

Did they mention the Paypal identification proposal at all? I think I missed it. - Jesse Stay

Just in passing, Jesse - Ken Sheppardson

We never got to it Jesse - Craig Burton

Ken, I'm very fascinated by that, because it's true identity. If they can make that open along with the existing open standards around identity they're going to do some great things. I'm supposed to get a briefing by them soon (I hope). - Jesse Stay

Vezquex: look at the Tweets I put into Wordpress: http://scobleizer.com/2009... that took a LOT of work. Way too much for normal people and WAY too much for real-time work. Did you watch the World Series last night? MSNBC had a Tweet out AS THE BALL HIT THE GLOVE TO END THE GAME! - Robert Scoble

Craig, great seeing you, btw! I don't think we've ever met in person. - Jesse Stay

This is a real time world and copying and pasting URLs is too freaking hard. - Robert Scoble

Thanks Jesse, we need to make that happen. - Craig Burton

Plus, I do everything on my iPhone now. Did you remember how we broke the news of Facebook buying FriendFeed? That entire thing was done from an iPhone, including an audio interview. - Robert Scoble

Craig, just sent you and Phil an e-mail. Let's definitely make it happen. - Jesse Stay

Paypal is still very weak. They are not quite clued in to the selector imperative. - Craig Burton

Jesse: applications running on the open web will always be able to innovate and provide more functionality than apps running on top of Facebook. With activity streams, hubs, openid, etc. the reduced friction advantage that Facebook has is diminished. - scott anderson

Craig, that's my worry - Jesse Stay

Scott, Facebook is joining the open web - Jesse Stay

it's all talk until it happens - scott anderson

they also said Beacon was going to be revolutionary - scott anderson

Facebook is an activitystrea.ms provider right now: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.... They are also currently an openid provider. - Jesse Stay

Facebook has openID? - Matt Mastracci

I think you see it now with the work Recordon and the ex-FriendFeeders are doing... but the IP limits, 24hr cache limits, and EULA mythology seems to cast a shadow over everything - Ken Sheppardson

Also see: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - Jesse Stay

and http://developers.facebook.com/opensou... - Jesse Stay

openid support is defensive move - scott anderson

BTW, most this stuff was around even before Recordon came on board - Jesse Stay

Yeah, I realized that after I wrote that, Jesse... he's just sorta the flag bearer these days - Ken Sheppardson

Scott, they've had that support for at least 6 months now - Jesse Stay

Facebook led much of the activitystrea.ms standard - it is not a defensive move. They were part of the organization, and are also members of the openid foundation. They're leaders in this, not followers. - Jesse Stay

openid support is a defensive move because they don't want google to dominate the openid space. if activity stream content expires after some period of time when it leaves Facebook, then that is another defensive move and one that is not truly open. - scott anderson

Scott, I'm not sure they've said much about that content expiring. As long as you're a user I'm pretty sure you're able to get your content out, no exceptions. Developers have a few more strict rules, but nothing's stopping a client from enabling that for users themselves. The RSS News Feed app on Facebook's still around, so I think they're opening up to enabling that: http://www.facebook.com/apps... - Jesse Stay

Also, see Facebook's latest news - their entire JS client library is now open source on GitHub: http://bit.ly/48FO1s - Jesse Stay

Messina additional on IIW http://www.thesocialweb.tv/blog... - Steve Gillmor

DeWitt Clinton

Introducing Closure Tools from Google - the Closure Compiler, the Closure Library, and Closure Templates: http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009...

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Satisfying one of @paul's longest-standing requests! - DeWitt Clinton

Laura Lou Who

Creme brulee.

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It was very, very good. - Laura Lou Who

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The Yardhouse has a great creme brulee with full on chocolate bars at the bottom - Nurse Katie

Oh, my, Katie. YUM. - Laura Lou Who

Waitaminnut...creme brulee AND PJ's??? *weeps* - vicster needs a nap

DOUBLE WANT!!! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

uhhhh... *teeters* WAAANT. It's so simple, but such a favourite. How could a dessert that requires a mini blowtorch to craft the candied seal on top not be. - Micah Wittman

★ Soner Gönül to ★'s feed, Funny Pics and Videos, Funny Funny, Fun Stuff

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bayıldım.. - nurgün

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Wow I'm slow, I finally got this, funny funny. - Jeremy˚H

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gengsta ciwyciwy - Sibel Deha

süperrrrr:) - BEREN

ne yani civcik 4 e kadar saymayı biliyo muymuş? kusura bakmayın ama çok safsınız. - sümüklü böcek kuşu ♫♫

Gary Burd

Why do we have an IMG element? - http://diveintomark.org/archive...

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Love it. Woke up long-dormant memories of the browser wars and "Netscape-proprietary tags." - Stephen Mack

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Stephen - And that's a good thing because...? - Curtiss Grymala

That's a great bit of history. - LogEx

His assertion is "Why an <img> element? Quite simply, because Marc Andreessen shipped one, and shipping code wins." At least in this case. - Hayes Haugen

But he does allow that: "[Shipping] Code is necessary but not sufficient for success." - LogEx

I saw the WWW before the IMG element. It didn't look promising. I wonder what would have happened if it had taken longer for graphics to be embeddable in HTML. - Bruce Lewis

Fa La La La Lindsay

The intent/purpose problem (& an appeal to @scobleizer) - http://macrolinz.com/macroli...

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It’s all about your intentions online. Most intentions can be grouped into 3 categories: knowledge gathering, broadcasting and conversation. There are many services on the web that can potentially serve those intentions. It depends on your purpose as to whether or not a service brings you value. - Fa La La La Lindsay

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I think that was very well put, Lindsay! - Jan Ole Peek

Thanks, Jan. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Very thoughtfully and intelligently written, Lindsay. - Anne Bouey

1UP, Lindsay. - Derrick

I shoulda been Lindsay for Halloween. I could've had great hair and kicked peoples' asses with my brain. - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

LOL @ tinypants :) That would have been quite a scary costume! - Fa La La La Lindsay

My comment here http://macrolinz.com/macroli... :) - Micah Wittman

Fantastic post, Lindsay. Totally agreed. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Well said, Lindsay. Honestly, the only reason for Scoble to post about his dissatisfaction with FriendFeed is to get attention. Personally, what he likes & dislikes means nothing to me, since he's not a friend of mine or someone whose opinion means anything to me. Like you say, he has very specific things he wants from social sites. It's not what I want & it's not what most people I know want. - josh neff, geek at large

I know that part of Scoble's reaction is for attention, but I also can read between the lines that he is really disappointed because he knows that FriendFeed is probably the best tool out there but now it's no longer going to grow feature-wise so, as a bleeding edge adopter, he can't stick with it anymore.... - Fa La La La Lindsay

...I think he's a little embarrassed that he was backing the "losing horse" for so long and basically had to "eat crow" with some of the people that he made enemies of on FriendFeed's behalf (though, personally, I think he was right about FriendFeed anyway). I think he's in a bit of despair like the rest of us at all the time and effort he put into participation here seeming to "go to... more... - Fa La La La Lindsay

...I empathize with all of that, but a lot of us have moved on to acceptance and just want to continue our interactions here. And he's making it harder for us to do that by driving people away that could be more of a justification for keeping the service alive in the future just because of their numbers. And it's also demoralizing and depressing. I would like for him to show some respect for people he used to call friends here and knock off the abuse. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Excellent. Thank you. - Steve Lowe

well put, Lindsay! - Joe Silence is not Santa

*clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* - vicster needs a nap

Not only does she put the 'is dead' conversation in an appropriate space, she also does a fine and thoughtful assessment of what tools can be used for what purpose. Thanks, Lindsay. - Holly Rae

Scoble was right about FriendFeed being better. The problem is when you have companies like FB with lots of money to throw around, they can kill superior tech by writing a check. If you've been following TechCrunch lately they have articles on dubious ways FB and FB app developers get their money. Zuckerberg and early FB was apparently supported by shady casino ads. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Ed Millard

When I grow up, I want to be as cool as Lindsay. - Louis Gray

Hey I saw this lady on CNN before :) - Rodfather

Holden, you mean my post or the one on techcrunch. Your post is even holier than mine :) If you meant mine, how so? I struggle getting points across in the 512 limit sometimes which means I'm hopeless on Twitter. - Ed Millard

Holden, I would be interested in hearing specifically, maybe on another thread, other than the obvious it was apparently written by someone whose done it and profited. I'm a complete noob when it comes to sleazy social network spam though it is a fascinating study in human nature and how to exploit it. That article mostly added to my list of reasons I like FF and have no interest in FB. - Ed Millard

Nice post, thanks. Heard and understood. - Robert Scoble

scoble - why dont you just make a message board? invite all your tech friends, you'd be in heaven! sure, it's not as clever as say something like this, but you get what you want then.. - Terry O'Fee

Her Lindsay-ness: another stance users may adopt is to stick with friendfeed only until such time as something better comes along, regardless of whether it actually gets shut down or not - Mike Chelen

@Mike, I would probably put those folks under reaction #2... that is typical of any user of a service. The one thing that you can't take with you to the new service, however, is your entire community. The people who make up your community on FriendFeed would most likely splinter into several other communities in the "new, better" services that come along. I don't see any better options... more... - Fa La La La Lindsay

directeur

The so called Tech bloggers aren't really into tech, they're here for the scoops. #thereisaidit

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Newness is NOT innovation. You're trying to be an "online journalist", you use journalistic jargon, you write like tabloids do. Real geeks, btw, are those who care about simplicity! Talk to the chimpanzee brain in me. Thanks! - directeur

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Which is why I asked Scoble what's really "geek". It's the newest fad to him. - Itachi

@Mehmet: Geeks for Scoble are often CEOs. :-) - directeur

EVERYDAY, I see dozens of posts about worthless stuff. I know, I know, you'd say that "value" is a personal and subjective thing, I know. But honnestly, guys, it's so easy to spot the rush to scoops, any scoop. It's so easy to understand that a given blog post was written for page views and ads revenue. Again, talk to my chimpanzee's brain, but keep in mind that I'm smart. - directeur

Yes, worthless, this is the word directeur, completely worthless. I have noticed for instance in France, how not a single commentator told after the announce of Google Wave, that the set of protocols behind authorized distribution and version concurrency on the fly. Only a smart tech could have noticed that, but not the vast majority of the tech bloggers who only tried to relay the information with their sauce. "mail", "instant messaging", "collaborative edition", blah blah blah - Thierry Lhôte

I believe you can make contact with far more brilliant people by playing World of Warcraft on line, instead of hanging around with social web commentators. At least the former are making things happen in their daily work, so they need to relax when at home... In a way, MMORPG is the way of the future... haha :-) - Thierry Lhôte

:D Pas mal, Thierry! What's funny and sad at the same time is exactly what you said. IMVHO a "tech" blogger should get his feet wet! Do it, baby! Do it, don't pretend! You blog about something techy? Allright, but do it and don't try to trick me with your blah-blah journalistic jargon. I can talk about some tech stuff, not because I'm smart, no (or probably a little bit ;-) No, it's... more... - directeur

Louis Gray

Congratulations to @drew for kicking cancer to the curb! See his blog post: "That's not what I ordered..." http://www.drewolanoff.com/post...

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rock on @drew - Thomas Power

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grats, @drew - brainno722 (Peter)

That's awesome! - Shevonne

So glad to hear it! I hope the others I know battling cancer right now can get some much needed reinforcement from this news... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Awesome! - David Cook

Zee. to Zee.'s feed, TheNextWeb Forum, Appetite, building43

This is HUGE. You can now host your own Google Wave. http://thenextweb.com/appetit...

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How? - Chuck Baggett

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This is the REAL beta of Google Wave... Now we can see what it will really let us do. - Fa La La La Lindsay

can anyone who installs this please get in touch! - Zee.

I'm sure Johnny will be on this in a flash :) - Simon Wicks

Johnny Worthington? - Zee.

Yeah, he's been on about wanting to have it installed on his own server for work :) - Simon Wicks

Now we see the cool stuff. Closed instances for small teams. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Will start ASAP. - Itachi

Matt Mastracci

.@olpcnews Looks like there are already people porting Android to OLPC, but it hasn't passed the prototype stage. F11 seems the best bet.

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Chris Messina

This is significant: Google to start crawling RSS/ATOM — a shift to the "web of streams"? http://googlewebmastercentral.... #activitystreams

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Aren't they just setting themselves up to be a ping server (hub) for the realtime web? - Cliff Gerrish

Yep. And to filter/analyze all that traffic. - Chris Messina

Zee. to Zee.'s feed, TheNextWeb Forum, Appetite, building43, RWW: The Future of Tech, All Things Google

Get Realtime RSS Updates in GTalk with PuSH Bot. - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...

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Louis Gray

Re: Newsome.Org - http://www.newsome.org/2009...

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"Twitter is not a replacement for Google Reader. Neither is Facebook. Google Reader has no parallel and it will continue to be my foundation for absorbing and distributing the news for a long time, I bet. I like Scoble a lot myself, but he is suffering from PTFFSS (Post-Traumatic FriendFeed Sale Syndrome)." - Louis Gray

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Anybody else here suffering from PTFFSS? - Louis Gray

What's it called when you're suffering from other people suffering from PTFFSS? - Jesse Stay

Pffft - WorldofHiglet

PTFFSS - I love it! - Anne Bouey

PTFFSS? Hahahah! You wish. - Robert Scoble

Gabe Rivera

This tweet links to itself: http://twitter.com/gaberiv...

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Louis Gray

The DVR vs Internet Video - http://blogmaverick.com/2009...

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Andy Bakun

My experience with Facebook so far has been that Friendfeed is Betamax and Facebook is VHS. And Robert Scoble may be Jack Valenti (I kid, I kid... Scoble is much more open minded than Valenti was).

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What kind of babbling nonsense comparative points are you trying to make? The Gilmore Girls and Dennis Miller have no clue WTF you're trying to say. - Matthew DeVries

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Uh, that Friendfeed is the better technology that will ultimately lose out to a lesser technology. - Andy Bakun

Valenti was the point man for the attack on VCR's. Of course, I am almost as old as Dennis Miller. - Eric Logan

Couldn't you have you just said "Friendfeed is the better technology that will ultimately lose out to a lesser technology" ? - Matthew DeVries

I suppose, but that wouldn't have been very interesting. - Andy Bakun

Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

We're Going To Be Friends by The White Stripes - http://www.pandora.com/music...

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This one is The White Stripes, too? This was on one of those indie rock mixes my friend Anne made me back in the day that got me into good music. I forgot this was them. Clearly she was already crafting my taste of today more than five years ago! - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

LOVE this song! - William Harryman

Duncan Riley

For the love of God Paul Buchheit, be a man and put FriendFeed out of its misery - http://www.inquisitr.com/43743...

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Article FAIL. - Louis Gray

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Liked for Louis Gray's comment :) - Eric Florenzano

Comment WIN! - Jesse Stay

Inquisitr, they are too tabloid - Kirill Bolgarov

Completely agree that this is Article FAIL Louis! - Travis Koger

On another point, why is Duncan still posting his articles to FF if he thinks it should be put out of its misery? I mean it is posted by his blog link, but still. - Travis Koger

Traffic. - Cristo

BURN IT WITH FIRE - Johnny Worthington

LOL Noone read the story, he was calling for a time when it would be no more, he feels we as users should know when the end will be, nut running around with our heads cut off. - Jimminy Fuller

You mean you're suppose to READ Inquisitr stories? I thought it was just the headlines :P - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Jimminy, I read the story. - Louis Gray

TL;DR your comment Louis. :D - Jimminy Fuller

Louis, what was fail about it, I'd like to at least know when the service ends, prior to it ending. - Jimminy Fuller

The article suggests that the only way out is to pick a date it closes. - Louis Gray

Ah well that is true, I'm trying to archive the service now, but I don't think that's going to get anywhere, far too many legal restrictions. So it all depends on how the deal was structured and if any of the team are still in control of the service. *sigh* - Jimminy Fuller

I guess it's time to rejuvenate, er .. I mean transform the old Facebook account. - BLOGBloke

I thought it was Zuckerberg who gets to shoot the old dog. Buchheit & co. sold it to him. Remember? - Dennis Jernberg

Dennis, no one knows who is actually in charge of the decision, and Buchheit can let us know prior. They won't have an abrupt shutdown, I'd assume. - Jimminy Fuller

But I don't think that if they do shut it down (and for all we know they likely will), it'll be anytime soon. And of course it won't be abrupt; Yahoo's shutdowns of 360 and Geocities weren't. If FB shut down FF abruptly, they'd have to face a whole lot of angry FriendFeeders. - Dennis Jernberg

I don't understand all this "friendfeed is over, pick a date" stuff. friendfeed has hit pause on the evolution of features, but it was always the community that brought me here. The world will eventually move on to the point that it will no longer make sense to have a separate site here, but that will likely be a popularity vote made by us (and measured in traffic), not some arbitrary... more... - Clare Dibble

Clare, I don't mind hitting pause on new features. I think EVERYBODY expected that, to some extent. But when I look at http://ff.im/74ECA where current advertised functionality has been broken for almost two months and they haven't yet taken the time to fix it, THAT (to me) says volumes. This place has been given up for dead and nobody's bothered to notify the users. (Also, FF was... more... - Scott of Two Countries

Comment WIN, Louis. - Roberto Bonini

Death "Throws"? Dictionary FAIL - Iain Baker

UGH. - Joe Silence is not Santa

AGREED, Iain. - Joe Silence is not Santa

Duncan wants it killed, and has blocked the most important members of the community.....why does he even spout an opinion about the service? He wants it killed and just used it to piss on when it thriving.... - Matthew DeVries

I don't see where this idea of us being given fair notice of the shutdown comes from. Kevin Rose gave Pownce users what, an hour to get their shit and get out? - Matthew DeVries

Perhaps all of Facebook will be transitioned to FriendFeed. If so, how will I access Farm Town? :) I commented more fully at the post itself, after seeing a link to the post on Rahsheen's feed. And no, you're not seeing this level of conversation in Google Reader's social features, and if you are, you can't find the comments. Google Reader's a good sharing mechanism (I'm with Louis on that one), but it's socially awkward. - John E. Bredehoft

Google reader's Comments engine and sharing engine are fracking perfect, but where it fails is in the conversation searches, and the "What/who the fuck was I talking about/to" and the "what are my friends talking about" function. - Matthew DeVries

+1 Iain - Daniel J. Pritchett

I will miss the FF search when it's gone. It's been an extension of my memory for a good year now. Oh well, I'll always have GMail... right? - Daniel J. Pritchett

Burak Çelebi to Burak's feed, Android

Google Working on Their Own Phone for 2009 Release? - http://www.androidguys.com/2009...

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Robert Scoble

The most damning thing is that no one from the FriendFeed team or Facebook has joined the community here that is talking about it to tell us what's happening in the future. That, more than anything I've written or said communicates the future of FriendFeed.

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So true - nail in the coffin! :(... - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

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I keep hoping someone will tell me I'm wrong and will post a slide deck about the future of FriendFeed. But the lack of information is confirming what I'm hearing from my sources. - Robert Scoble

It's Sunday. - Admiral Anika

Anika: geeks in both companies are online and working on a Sunday and last night is NOT the first time I've been talking about the lack of direction here. Also, over the last week lots of blogs have been posting about the traffic hit that FriendFeed has already seen. - Robert Scoble

If there really was a team working on FriendFeed you BET they would contact us on a Sunday. They used to in this old days. - Robert Scoble

Remember, Facebook has a PR team of more than 10 people. You think they aren't watching what people are saying about Facebook nearly 24/7? Not in my experience. They are the most engaged PR team in a new company I know of. - Robert Scoble

The reality is that this is still a very useful service, and people stay because of the functionality and the community. There is no other service out there that accomplishes what this one does. There is still nowhere else to go. - LogEx

LogEx: that's true, but it's also true that most people will go places where there's a clear future. Unless it's just to post non-consequential things. Me? This is both my fun time (which is why I'm still here) as well as my business (I won't be betting any of my business decisions on doing stuff here because of this lack of direction which tells me that no one is really working on FriendFeed actively anymore). - Robert Scoble

FriendFeed is like an old dying dog left out in the pasture alone; abandoned by its Master to die in the silence. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Robert, I understand the perhaps reasonable conclusions you're reaching, but breaking the silence could send too much signal to FB's competition when they'd rather send more silence which ends up, really, being noise. - Micah Wittman

Most social network content is ephemeral. If people really want their stuff to have a clear future, they should own and host it on their own domains. - LogEx

Robert, so maybe you're not giving their PR _enough_ credit. It's speculation on my part, granted. - Micah Wittman

Micah: sorry, that dog don't run. Healthy companies signal future directions, even under NDA. It would be pretty easy to meet with a few members of the community, NDA them, and tell them what's going on. If Louis Gray came on here and told me he's under NDA and that I'm wrong then I'd feel much better. The truth is I've talked with people inside Facebook and I know what the former FriendFeed team is working on. Hint: it isn't FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Logex - yup! - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

I still wish they'd make it open source or something so that people could continue to develop on it. :S - Fa La La La Lindsay

Susan, I don't think "human master - canine pooch" analogy really applies to Friendfeed team - community that's formed. - Micah Wittman

By the way, Facebook meets with bloggers/journalists all the time to give us secret hints at what's coming. I've been to Facebook several times this year for just that. Facebook has no serious competition, by the way, so they don't make PR decisions based on what Twitter is doing. - Robert Scoble

I guess I'm not most people then. If I find something that works, I prefer to stay put as long as it meets my needs. New things are nice, but I don't have time to constantly try out new services to see if they are better that what I am presently using. (That's why I follow people like Robert ;-)) The new shiny service would have to be significantly better than what I presenlty use to make me want to switch. - Jeff P. Henderson

Do you have any services that offer the same functionality, are widely available, and actually have a future, Robert? How about offering a solution for once instead of just bitching? - LANjackal

Robert. Can you reveal the information you have from your sources. Discussions where one person has information they won't reveal is frankly frustrating. If you have some inside knowledge yet continue to make statements like this and FriendFeed is dead? then it really is frustrating to the community. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

If your business is posting to social media, and you think your content is "consequential" based on how long it will be around on the web ... I think you've misunderstood the current moment in social media. - Joel Bennett

There's much less interaction than there used to be - but I still have faith in the users. This (was) is a vibrant and interesting place to be - and that's testament not only to the people that made the site, but also to the people who breathed life into it. I'll be following friendfeed still, but i'll also be following the friendfeeders i've met here. I'm not sure where the future is, but it'll be something to do with the people here. I'm sure of that. - Iain Baker

+1 - LANjackal from IM

Micah - lack of innovation and development on FF platform will cause obsolesence soon. Social web apps must innovate or die. When Facebook acquired FF, we all knew that FF would wind down due to this. Communities will migrate to current platforms that meet their needs. I am sensing a large contingent of the FF community is about to leave FF, myself included. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Re Tina: IIRC she got laid off and is prolly busy trying to find new employment - LANjackal from IM

@Susan: "social web apps must innovate or die" really? tell that to Twitter, lol - LANjackal from IM

Robert, did Wolfram-Alpha indicate their future direction being a $50 iphone app? All I'm saying is Facebook's strategy may include support to FF that's not in a time-frame worth pushing through PR yet. - Micah Wittman

My favorite thing about this whole "Facebook is dead, move on" campaign is that these guys are basically just trying to shoe you BACK to the service they talked most of you OFF of in the first place: Twitter. I'm still looking for their motivation. - Joel Bennett

Only one thing to say. Jaiku - Moved to Facebook

FB is dead? Anyone who's saying that in view of their soaring stats and the roaring success that FB Connect has been needs their head examined - LANjackal from IM

The way I see it, Robert, your constant bitching and declaring friendfeed dead is what is killing the community. While the software it runs on may be dead, the community is not. I have to separate it and explain it to you, because you don't seem to understand the difference and how being a vocal part of this community affects it. The more you put it down, the more people won't come here... more... - April Russo (app103)

^ My thoughts exactly. http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - LANjackal from IM

Susan, social web apps need utility/affection by a set of users. If cutting/bleeding edge aficionados is the particular user set in question, then what you said generally holds true. But it's not the general case unless a true replacement (in this case for FF) is available. - Micah Wittman

I don't think he's killing the community, he's just killing the community's participation with him. - Alex Scoble

Robert. Can you advise the information you have from your sources? - Johnny Worthington

I am stuck in the middle on this one... - Allen Stern

Fair point, Alex. I think this issue needs the two Scobles to put their heads together and clear the air. - Micah Wittman

http://ff.im/6HqPf - Chris Lasher

Naw...I like friendfeed. I'm not going anywhere as long as my friends are here. - Alex Scoble

Me neither :) - LANjackal from IM

Amen, Alex. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Is Friendfeed dying ( if it is) because of it being purchase by Facebook, or by members reaction to that purchase? Did people forecast the death of Friendfeed and then leave, therefore creating the exact scenario they predicted. - Kim Landwehr

That's exactly what happened - LANjackal from IM

Robert, doesn't this put the denouement on the donkey for all those who thought it too sharp a call to say what was going on in that sale and before it? It seemed fairly clear to me what had been going on mainly from seeing the actions at the time of the sale and "doing the math". As Aristotle said: "Plot is character" - Melanie Reed

Some times the lab rats do understand and stop sniffing for the cheese, looking up at the lab coats above them with a knowing twitch of the whisker. - Melanie Reed

Can FriendFeed be another StumbleUpon two years later? http://stumbleupon.com/sublog... EDIT: "I don't want it happen though. I hope FFers let me entertain us again on FB" (excerpted from http://ff.im/6pO0a in Japanese) - NaHi from f2p

I'm more of a social media *consumer* than I am a participant. From a consumer's point of view, FF is more interesting than its competitors. A nice place to hang out, enjoy, learn, and sometimes discuss. Less guesswork is involved in deciding whether to click through to sources. From a consumer's perspective, as long as it remains interesting there won't be a reason to move on. - howard shippin from BuddyFeed

Johnny: yes, my sources inside Facebook tell me that the FriendFeed team has been split apart and is working on Facebook items only. So far no one has refuted that. - Robert Scoble

April: you can believe that I'm personally killing the community but that really is giving me far more power than I actually have. The community has dramatically changed in the last two months. The alpha geeks I follow and that I build my business around have largely left. Everytime I meet geeks at conferences they tell me they are not spending as much time on FriendFeed as they did before the sale to Facebook and that the lack of direction from the team is largely responsible for that. - Robert Scoble

And, April, if you read my blog post you'll see that I believe a new community is already moving in here -- one that doesn't care if the technology will see new features. - Robert Scoble

I'm not on FB that much, but do people from their team actually get involved on the site? Is that even possible, with the privacy controls? I said it on another thread: you can't serve two masters. If FB is paying the bills now, that's probably where erstwhile FF staff must spend their time. - .LAG liked that

I agree with Robert here - Matthew DeVries

.LAG: yes. I have dozens of Facebook employees as friends over on Facebook and they do engage all over the place. - Robert Scoble

.LAG: the head of PR at Facebook, Brandee Barker, even has a Twitter account: http://twitter.com/faceboo... and there are TONS of employees who hang out on both Twitter and Facebook like Dave Morin, head of Facebook's platform team. - Robert Scoble

Kim: I did one of the first interviews with the FriendFeed and Facebook teams after the sale was announced (within the first hour) and even then you could tell that Facebook had no plans for FriendFeed's technology and mostly wanted the team. The fact that Gary Burd (who ran the Google Talk team and is VERY influential in Seattle technology) has already left speaks VOLUMES to what is going on behind the scenes. Guys like Gary don't leave if they are having fun and making a huge impact. - Robert Scoble

April - Robert actions and Roberts threads have nothing to do with the death of Friendfeed. Robert's threads still have traffic and activity. The place where I see, where Robert would probably not ever be able to appreciate is the fact that there was once a time when a postless thread was impossible. Every single one of my threads had traffic. Even if it was one or 2 silly posts of... more... - Matthew DeVries

http://friendfeed.com/bwana that right there.....that is the saddest thing. That was once what I considered to be the most important account on Friendfeed. - Matthew DeVries

That's a stupid call he made for himself - LANjackal from IM

I'm a new user. i quite enjoy what's here, at the moment. I can't say that I'm a sophisticated social networker, but I have already grown to trust many of the folk i've met here. Like someone earlier in the thread said, if enough of my friends on friendfeed decide to move on, i'll likely follow. i don't suspect that that kind of 'distant early warning' would arrive via Facebook. - T. Brent, technopeasant

My experience on FF does not hinge on Robert. The community of thinkers and feelers will find a way to interact, here or somewhere else. By the way, some of us are left out of the loop 99% of the time when it comes to knowing what's next. Welcome to the club. - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

Matthew: you aren't the only one to notice this or tell me the same thing. Many won't point it out in public, either, because they just don't want to piss off those who are still here. Me? Being public with what I'm hearing, experiencing, deciding, etc is the way I deal with life and the conversations with others tend to either confirm the direction I'm aiming in, or they pull me back from the brink. So far not much has changed my opinion, and, in fact, has augmented it. - Robert Scoble

Aron: Twitter is about to turn on lists. That's one feature FriendFeed had over it. Within six weeks they will turn on a new retweet feature that looks more like FriendFeed's "likes" than it looks like RTs, so that's another feature. Twitter is working on real time search and I'd expect them to turn on a much better search within six months. So, what's left? Comments. Those are added on... more... - Robert Scoble

I still get a lot of activity on my posts but it's not what it used to be. The big thing I've noticed is a rarely get new subscriptions yet I'm still quite active here. Going from getting several or more a day to one or so a week is a big indicator to me of FriendFeed's decline. - Akiva Moskovitz

It's time to open source FF. Start the chant. - Todd Hoff

is it possible that things are levelling off, naturally? can growth, here or elsewhere, expect to be exponential forever and ever? - T. Brent, technopeasant

Brent, you bring up a salient point. For some, the constant movement is what they are really excited about more than the community. This is not to say that these ones don't enjoy the community, they obviously do. But they enjoy the "building" up of it. It's like getting trapped in the "I always want to be falling in love" feeling and never, as you bring out, get to and enjoy the natural leveling off. Some do enjoy that part. And there may be enough of them to keep this version of FF going. - Melanie Reed

There's a problem with stasis, though. For one, it almost always leads to entropy and, for two, it means that there isn't an influx of new blood. It's the same people doing the same things having the same conversations. It decreases how dynamic the experience is. It becomes stale. - Akiva Moskovitz

I'm not saying that FriendFeed's hit that stage yet but it most likely will. I'm still having a great time here but it's not nearly as exciting as it used to be and, no, that's just because the honeymoon period's worn off. - Akiva Moskovitz

Akiva, I respectfully disagree. It's like exploring a new path in an old garden. This is the place most people are either afraid to traverse or have not developed the discipline to want to go there. There are always new things yet to be discovered in the same relationship. We just get "ants in our pants" not wanting to sit still long enough to discover it. ;) - Melanie Reed

Melanie, oh yeah? Well, you're WRONG! In all seriousness, I think it's two sides of the same coin. And I want both. It's why I hang out both on Twitter and FriendFeed. I get different (but good!) experiences out of both. - Akiva Moskovitz

Matt - Yup, I've experienced the same thing as I have over 2,500 FF followers and now see a very low user engagement; whereas, in the past, I could get a ton of likes / comments on any topic. Now I see only crickets!! FF is dying. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Akiva, Its more about learning to "exult in monotony". ;) - Melanie Reed

Hah. Sorry, Melanie, but when it comes to social networking, I'm definitely polyamorous. - Akiva Moskovitz

Akiva, I've just come to appreciate the wisdom of Solomon: that there is "nothing new under the sun". lol Or as Shania Twain would say: "That don't impress me much." - Melanie Reed

With Friend Feed I can go to the site, and watch in realtime all the action going on with those I follow. I see Likes, Comments, Pictures, Nicely grouped and can type more than 140 characters if I want to. With Twitter, it's all a kludge to add on this and that and this client or that client and I just don't see how Twitter compares technically to FriendFeed at this time. Twitter was... more... - Keith Rowland

Yeah, the 140 character cap is the most baffleing thing that makes me wish FF wouldn't die and Twitter become king. I want more than 140 characters, I want it in real time, I want it in conversation, and I want it 100% free of super poke and my highschool neighbor's grand mother following me. - Matthew DeVries

It is the weekend and some people sleep :) At least that's how I'm looking at it ..for now.. plus I'm begging: Friendfeed please don't go away.. - http://new2me.posterous.com/friendf... (via http://ff.im/a57K2). - Chris Myles

FF activity is like the Bears defense tonight... far less vibrant than you'd expect - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

sorry 2 say that Scoble friendfeed is slowing down 2 :( - polou/indigo_bow

Not dead yet. Thank goodness. - Aron Michalski

The truth is we know nothing more than a few weeks after the sale when the team commented that they will keep it going as long as they could. We all knew development would stop. We all knew it would run on auto-pilot. No one here seriously expects FriendFeed to continue forever but a lot of us aren't pulling the plug and walking out the door. Interaction is down, to be expected, and I'm... more... - Johnny Worthington

well-put, Johnny. - T. Brent, technopeasant

Agree Johnny.. - Chris Myles

Here we go again... - BLOGBloke

OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FRIENDFEED TEAM ISN'T INSTANTLY AVAILABLE ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS! ALERT THE MEDIA! - Mistletoe Glen

Glen, the last 13 words took your statement from accurate to inaccurate - Matthew DeVries

What Twitter client are you using these hours anyway Robert? Have you checked out CoTweet? - Matthew DeVries

Regardless of the Friendfeed team's lack of comments, the volume on some threads like this does prove to me that life still exists on FF. I will agree that the volume is lighter but nothing has officially shown me that Friendfeed is dead, only bogus news articles trying to create news... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Look at FriendFeed. Look at Facebook. Which one needs improvement? Of course the team isn't working on FriendFeed now. But they're still using it, and would be upset if Facebook killed it. Facebook values them. They won't kill FriendFeed. - Bruce Lewis

strictly speaking, since the time of the sale facefeed staff have added new features http://friendfeed.com/friendf... posted news about technology development http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and responded to user support http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Mike Chelen

Mathew: I use Tweetie on iPhone for almost all Twitter tasks. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

You also started it at 3am in the morning on Sunday - kind of a bad time to get their attention, don't you think? - Jesse Stay

Social Media Epertistes are vampires, they'd shrivel up and die otherwise after a night full of exsanguination orrrrrrrrr we could just fwd. this to the Feedback Room [done] - sofarsoShawn

Great, so its over? I wonder how many times the community is going to be willing to put themselves into something like this before we realise that all this stuff needs to move over to an open platform. I have a few great great communities die because of financially/politically motivated owners. shitty. - Jason Strachan

Which reminds me: Anybody know how the OpenFF project's going? - Dennis Jernberg

We had this discussion about the future of Friendfeed back when the buyout was first confirmed. We assume it's treading water, and maybe some day we'll be surprised by an update. - Raphael, Raphael

Shawn, well done - Jesse Stay

Vezquex, yeah - how many more times do you predict this will come up again? FriendFeed just gave an excuse for people to say something's dead. I predict this will happen many more times until it is actually dead or they start really vamping it up again. No one in this thread has the authority to know that. - Jesse Stay

Maybe we will just roll our own waves. - Sean Oliver

Re: Shawn http://bit.ly/g7zYA - Matthew DeVries

Let's stop comparing elephants to fleas. Even if having 10 PR people allowed Facebook to be the "most engaged" new company, adjusted against the number of inquiries originating from members, 10 people cannot support that volume. With 250 million (or how ever many more) members, the right level of PR staffing would have to be closer to 250 (one PR person per 1 million members) to get... more... - Rich Reader

Wow, I hadn't realized Bwana had completely left. Did he blog about it? - Laura Norvig

I'm not sure if he blogged about it, Laura, but he certainly did talk about it...I'm surprised that he made his feed go dark as abruptly as he did. - Alex Scoble

Laura, Alex, yeah that abruptness took me by surprise too. My iphone shed a pixelated tear. - Micah Wittman

screw this thread.... Robert Scoble crushed my friendfeed fantasy... and you people are still talking about friendfeed being dead, Now let the damn thing die quietly thank you...... - Cjay

Start using Hide, Cjay - Alex Scoble

All Hail FriendFeed. FriendFeed is dead. Long Live FriendFeed. I like it better than wave, twitter, fb. If anything the signal to noise ratio has improved. - Robert Higgins

Paul's Response on Read Write http://thenextweb.com/2009... - Robert Higgins

You guys do know that Paul did post about this,right ?? Rendering Roberts shock a moot point. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Paul Buchheit speaks up! http://ff.im/a8LNU - Susan Beebe

Every time I see this, I keep thinking that "damning" is entirely too strong of a word... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

The walrus replied - Steve Gillmor from iPhone

Roberto (and the walrus): oh, really? Did you READ what Paul wrote? How does that differ from anything I've said? - Robert Scoble

Robert, you said FriendFeed is dead and Paul said it isn't. Keep in mind you're using said "dead" site to respond. - Allred

Twitter is undernourished FF is chronically ill. FB is fat with clogged arteries and 10% of its users have disabled accounts including me. - Darrell Hudson

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