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Now, now. So FriendFeed was down for six minutes. You may all resume using the network to discuss Twitter's planned downtime.
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heh
- Kamilah Gill
LOL ;)
- Shane
:D
- Vinit Sharma
:-D
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Thanks for the info. The streams are really moving fast!
- Ziona Etzion
HAH! If FF and Twitter are down at the same time does that mean we'd have to use Facebook?
- Heidi Cool
Heidi lol
- Myrna
We might want to consider posting our mobile numbers in case something that drastic happens Heidi, we can all share our panic via SMS
- jcunwired
@Heidi - MySpace, probably. :( ;)
- Tyson Key
jcunwired: My mobile number is listed on Facebook! ;) Redundancy R Us.
- Sheryl
How about moving over to Plurk? After all, nobody uses it. so it shouldn't go down. ;)
- Tyson Key
Tyson: that was funny!
- Myrna
For what it's worth, has anyone seen Identi.ca go down yet? After all, it seemed like a popular destination for folks making an exodus from Twitter, for a while.
- Tyson Key
i used to think identi.ca was a canadian site
- Mike Nencetti
And Twitter has returned!
- Tyson Key
Poll: Do you use Google Reader?
Brian Moore, Mike Bracco, Brian Bufalo and 101 other people liked this
I clearly do. Scoble believes that few people do...I just think that few people socialize within Google Reader
- Zee.
Only via Feedly (in Flock). Does that count as a no?
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
no
- Farshad
Yup.
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah, for sure that counts Ruud
- Zee.
Absolutely -- and sticking with it -- Google can do big things with it
- Christopher Galtenberg
Indirectly, through Feedly.
- Grey Drane
Rarely
- Baard @ Pixum
I use it for the few valuable feeds that I can't receive anywhere else...But overall, FF and Twitter have replaced it.
- Chris Rossini
Yep. I agree, few socialize in GReader.
- Tanath
Yup, but through its API in Eventbox. I understand R Scoble says a lot of things.
- Thomas Bøhm
Yep!
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
yes
- Alfredo
Yes, I do!
- Filipe Rodrigues
Yep, but I don't really connect with people there. I just read stuff. If I want to talk about something, I share it here.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Using more and more FriendFeed, Twitter, Facebook and less Google Reader
- Ralph
Clearly my most used online app, so yes. All the other tools revolve around it in my world. My dad read the newspaper every morning, I read Google Reader all day.
- Bwana ☠
Yes, it's still the best way to track blogs that write about stuff I like.
- arjo
Yes, but only from feedly
- Philippe Mongeau
YEah. I used to use Feeddemon but I like having my feeds synced over multiple devices with the least amount of hassle. Google Reader works perfectly for that.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I use it, but I don't use it in a social way.
- Alix Whitmire
Of course! I also use FF a lot, but it didn't actually reduce my activity on Greader
- Stanislas Jourdan
Yup
- Simon Wicks
I use Google Reader almost every day
- Peter Stuifzand
Yes. I used to use Bloglines, but I like Google Reader much better.
- Joey Gibson
Yes, by far the best RSS reader I've tried.
- Martin Bryant
All day long.
- Graham English
yes all the time :)
- martha
No.
- امیر؟
Yes, I do :)
- María A.
how do you you read your news Amir?
- Zee.
no
- Steven Hodson
yes
- CW™
Yes, but not directly, I skim entries via my program ( http://ff.im/38Yl8 ), if I am interested I click. So to FF/twitter/gmail/and other urgent feeds
- Yu-Jie Lin
Without a doubt.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Occasionally.
- Gordon Herd
If anyone wants to share feeds; feel free. http://www.google.com/reader...
- © b e e n s w a n k
Yep. Still use Google Reader.
- Beau Liening
Yes, quite a bit.
- Dustin Sallings
Yes, since 2006. I used Bloglines and Sage (Firefox add-on) before.
- LouCypher
No. I stopped using it a long time ago when I switched to FeedDemon, then I stopped using that too (keeping up with 200+ feeds was just too much). Now, I use Gmail's Web Clips with 14 feeds (including the feed for popular bookmarks on Delicious). If the item is new and the title is interesting enough, I click. Still, I keep saying to myself: "I should go back to FeedDemon someday."
- Yaser Sulaiman
yep
- Rich
yes
- AJ Kohn
the best app to read news and keep track of favorite blogs ~ Google reader
- Srikanth AD
Duh.
- Louis Gray
Yes a lot
- M F
yes sure, most of the time via feedly though
- Naor Mark
Yes..it's the only RSS reader I use.
- Bill Johnson
yup, Tried a few others but always went back to Greader, now using Feedly to read my feeds with.
- Tony C.
No, never.
- Ton Zijp
@Louis Gray you say 'Duh' but Scoble doesn't believe so
- Zee.
@Zee It's Scoble. Go figure.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Yes, I do. Not regularly though.
- Nurse Katie
Yes, usually daily.
- 321
Occasionally
- Lu Liu
Yes. It's one of the few things I can access from work so sometimes it's my only contact with the outside world.
- Michael Hocter
I use it quite often. Have a widget on my iGoogle home page and still really like the iPhone interface.
- David Imielski
Yes, I read from several different computers. GReader is great.
- David Slattery
Tried it, don't use it.
- Bruce Lewis
I use Bloglines.
- Alex Scoble
Use it occasionally.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Daily. I love it.
- Andrew
yup
- vijay
I use it on a daily basis. It is my primary means of keeping up with all the latest news.
- Bob Blunk
I setup google reader with a few local news links, so if I share something it's sent to friendfeed and then twitter. dont use it alot, forget to. I have FF, I let other people find interesting links for me to read.
- Mike Nencetti
Yep. No other readers sync with the iPhone as well. Sure, there's NetNewsWire, but I don't like it.
- Larry Hudson
Yes
- matthew john ernisse
@Alex Keeping it old school.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Yes, love it. Also the mobile version and with feedly.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Yes, former Netvibes user, but Google Reader is much better for RSS feeds
- Kristian Salonen
Yes via Feedly, which shakes it up and presents it magazine style.
- Kate Foy
Yes, sort of
- Will Higgins™
yes every day.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Yes. Best. Feed reader. Ever.
- Jason Mayoff
from Nambu
Via Feedly
- Grant Bierman
Yes, but am really searching for an alternative that allows me to have smarter results... some blogs have posts I am not interested in. Today I just started trying out bytagg.
- Sid Burgess
Yup from me. Love GR.
- Roger Benningfield
now where's Scoble at? I wanna gloat... :P
- Zee.
Most people say RSS is dead because Twitter takes over by being real time. The issue with that is that we ourselves cannot be available real time, all the time. RSS helps you cache that information to make it available when you cannot be in the stream.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
well said Bhavishya
- Zee.
I use it, but don't socialize with it
- xero
Zee: gloat? With a few dozen comments? Come on, please do be real. I have 89,000 followers on Twitter, 5,000 on facebook, 38,000 on friendfeed. When you get close to those numbers let me know. Then I'll let you gloat.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble How do you mean "what I get close to those numbers?" - can you clarify
- Zee.
Use it, but not as a social tool.
- invariant - farewell FF
Robert: I don't think he wants to gloat about his numbers. It's about the fact that a lot of people still do use Google Reader or other RSS Readers; they just don't socialise with it as much as they do with Twitter or FF.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Yes, but I feel I'm wasting to much time with it. Browsing entire RSS feeds is not really targeted and Google Reader doesn't filter.
- Oliver Bouchard
I use it for my feedreading, but not socially.
- Scott Bulloch
Yes I do, keep it opened in a firefox tab almost all day.
- Vineet Bhatnagar
from Nambu
I'm still waiting to hear what Scoble's crap about "89,000 followers on Twitter, 5000 on facebook and 38,000 on Friendfeed" was about.
- Zee.
Yes I do!
- Victor Ryden
@Zee Don't hold your breath.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Nope
- RAPatton
naa, he'll respond - at least i hope so. Because I'm really hoping i'm wrong about what i think he was implying there.
- Zee.
yes I do = but I am quickly finding FriendFeed and Twitter replacing some of the feeds I used to subscribe to.
- Tony
Yes! I use Google Reader constantly, in my web browser and on my iPhone. I have RSS feeds set up for my common Twitter searches, too. I also use Yahoo Pipes that I've developed over time to have very targeted RSS feeds. But I don't socialize via Reader.
- Kurt Rosenkranz
Yes, I still use Google Reader, voraciously. It has NOTHING to do with comments/followers. Rather, GReader is a tool for being better informed. Sometimes I use my GReader learnings in the real world - in conversation - where we don't formally have followers and such.
- Mike Reynolds
R.Scoble: What do follower numbers have to say in this matter, or at all ? I thought you had a statement about quantity vs quality some time ago as well ?
- Thomas Bøhm
I use NewsFire, and occasionally Resc Newws! on my PalmOS phone. I guess I haven't joined the "everything's in the cloud" revolution yet.
- Joshua Lee
<whisper> I've never used it. </whisper>
- Derrick
Thomas: follower users tell you how many people use a service and map pretty closely how many people are using a service, if you can see them in aggregate.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: it's not what 80+ people on friendfeed say. It's how many people ACTUALLY use these services. Google Reader just doesn't have the numbers. My follower numbers are a very accurate indicator of that.
- Robert Scoble
R. Scoble: people follow more people on Twitter than on Facebook because Facebook means you share a lot of information, so I'm not sure if those numbers mean much in the way of that.
- Joshua Lee
@Scoble But how do you know how many people use Google Reader?
- Zee.
I don't use google reader, and I use twitter, facebook, and a bit of friendfeed. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
But Robert, I use GReader EVERY DAY, but I'm not really socially connected with anyone on it. GReader's main function can be used without any social integration at all - so how many people follow you or vice versa isn't really relevant. Even leaving aside the issue of whether number of followers is relevant at all - it certainly isn't relevant when the core function of a service isn't connecting with other people, but consuming content.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yes: it is a convenient tracking system and I like the email alerts
- Anita Hunt
I use google alerts without GReader
- Joshua Lee
GReader != social
- Mike Reynolds
Yes. It's an essential daily tool for must-read feeds, as well as for discovery. Social media does not give me the same content as my must-read feeds.
- LogEx
Sometimes feeds generate data for social media.... I share a lot of links via email and occasionally facebook or twitter.
- Joshua Lee
No. Currently it does not cater for my feed reader needs.
- Vidar Andersen
I used to use a similar online newsreader, bloglines I think it is called, but after a while I found having to check a website unweildy - the whole point to RSS is to not have to play with your browser to read information.
- Joshua Lee
If you want to follow blogs directly on their site, at least for Blogger, you pretty much have to do use Google Reader. I know I've had that feedback from my followers.
- Fossil Huntress
Yeah, blogger is a bit of a closed ecosystem. Very ungooglelike.
- Joshua Lee
/me uses his best Ronald Reagan impression "Mr. Brin - tear down this wall"
- Joshua Lee
every day for real work needs. for all the rest, FF, Twitter and Facebook
- Giovanni De Stefano
Yes. Daily. But I overlay it with Feedly - www.feedly.com - which makes it rather prettier.
- Stephen Collins
Much ado about nothing.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Clearly Scoble doesn't really want to get too involved with this discussion. Which is disappointing considering he was the motivation for the post in the first place.
- Zee.
Google will eventually add real-time and social networking stuff to Google Reader, and especially with algorithms to suggest the best posts to read, then all will use that most
- Charbax
I use it. But I don't share anything with it. I just use it to keep on top of a few news sites and forums.
- Jan Ole Peek
no, but I'm ashamed to admit it. I used to use bloglines.
- Laura Norvig
I live in Google Reader. It's my life line for discovery, digestion and distribution.
- Mike Fruchter
Yes.
- Deborah Fitchett
I do. I could live without FF, Twitter et al but Google Reader is a time/life saver.
- Murray Barton
Not much anymore. I push most of my rss feeds through FF. That way I still get RSS goodness without constantly fighting an unread count.
- Tech Introvert
Yup.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Yes
- Shevonne
Sometimes.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
I do.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I do w/feedly
- Dave Martin
I do when I'm bored. It's more a bookmarking spot for me than anything.
- Mitch
Yes, I use google reader and RSS is not going anywhere
- Wayne Sutton
yes, daily
- Brian
well clearly according to Scoble, all of you guys saying that you use it are not part of the majority...and Google Reader is actually a very quiet place
- Zee.
Went from Google Reader to NetNewsWire simply because of the syncing ability between the Mac client and the iPhone app.
- Mike Bracco
Yes - constantly
- Threepwood
Zee: sorry, I had to drive Patrick home. There are a variety of ways to see how popular Google Reader is. Look at Quantcast. Alexa. Compete. Compare referee logs with others, etc. I have kept on top of the usage numbers and Google Reader isn't keeping up with growth in other agregator types like Facebook and friendfeed andthe people I compare numbers with see a lot more traffic from...
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- Robert Scoble
Yes, I love it.
- Kate
Absolutely! Key tool 4 R&D.
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
@Scoble thanks for the clearer and less agro response. I'm really going to dig in and do some research into it because although I definitely believe that Facebook & Co. are growing much faster...as a news source/tool - i still believe it's number 1 and has huge potential for further growth
- Zee.
i do and love its integration into everything
- Zach Scott
I use it a lot. Get and collect most of my "news" there.
- kilbuda
Yes. Ugly as it is.
- Robin Barooah
from Nambu
@Robin check this out http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- Zee.
Sure. Save the good stuff with Read It Later & Evernote.
- David Hayes
Yes.
- David Cook
Yes - just to read
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Yes. I've been using it less because of FriendFeed and Reader's content/ attention data lock-in. If Reader: 1) allowed us access to our attention stats, labels etc. through interactive UI or flat file export (Diigo), I'd use it more. 2) added a simple WYSIWYG editor to the comments feature to improve it as a blogging platform, I'd use it more. 3) allowed for Gtalk chat's around articles with chats that could be appended to the articles (think Gmail with appended Gtalk chats), that would be useful as well.
- Jack Frizzell
Yes. Recently I love to use GReader via feedly.com
- yezi
Yes, especially to share
- Janaree Nore
I'm a long-time Reader fan.
- Kevin Fox
Yes, though a lot less since Friendfeed came along
- jcunwired
I stopped a few months ago...but now I'm back to using Feedly - love the magazine layout, just a cleaner better way to read (for me that is ;)
- Aline Ohannessian
Religiously.
- Steven Perez
Off and on.
- Parth Awasthi
Yeah
- Nicholas James
Yes, at least twice a day... every day.
- CJ Guest
no, only a handful of times
- Chris Heath
I just import Robert Scoble's and Louis Gray's .... it's much easier
- Charlie Anzman
don't know how i would get all the rich data w/ out gReader and Feedly.
- michael sean wright
Yes - I don't always read it, but yes.
- Brent - Loving Life
i don't feedread anymore. tired of the echo
- Richard A.
Everyday
- Roger Teh
Yes, probably my second most-visited site after FriendFeed.
- John E. Bredehoft
yes
- Duane
sure
- Alper Umut Çimen
Yes, love it.
- Mark Krynsky
yup
- Alejandro
yes!
- Randy
Yes, every day!
- Jonathan
Yep, I'm an avid user.
- Lode Nachtergaele
Almost as much as gmail. Don't view or need it to be 'social'.
- Adi
yes. :)
- Laurentiu
extended firefox with feedly this evening -- thank you all for that recommendation, gReader looks so much better, especially where the folders can be customized with different views: magazine stylesheet enhances the readability of content. [I'm looking into the exposure of private feeds when feedly services are used. Comments? It was surprising how they got to my subscriptions without my password.]
- Adriano
Adriano: Feedly is well done, isn't it? It's the only thing these days keeping me from abandoning FF completely for Chrome.
- Christopher A Carr
[off-topic @cacarr : ditto, cf. extensions like Zotero, It's All Text (w/ vim ;-), or even Read It Later]
- Adriano
Yeap feeds and alerts all in there.
- Jonathan Kong
Yes I do, and I'm also pretty impressed with feedly/firefox, but I use that in addition to slogging through my greader feeds. I'm in the process of re-organizing my feeds so I can "mark all as read" without concern I'm missing something I need to see. "a1_events a2_casts b1_techblogs x9_other" etc.
- Richard pnc8haus Walker
Sure do, but a little les frequently than in the past
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
I do.
- Roshan Ramachandran
& my shared items get routed to Friendfeed+Facebook & from FF to Twitter... :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
I do use Google Reader but just to read news feeds not sharing or whatever. The number of updates is getting a bit unmanageable now and I end up bulk-marking a lot as read, but it's good to skim through the headlines or less active feeds.
- By_tor
Yes, but must admit my usage of it has dropped off a cliff since I started using Twitter more (mainly because it was easier to digest content on a mobile), but think the noise ratio is greater on Twitter, so may go back to Reader when I get the next iPhone.
- Paul M Evans
I experience the entire internet through google reader - even twitter and friendfeed are read in google reader.
- Ian Tindale
If I share stuff in Feedly it ends up in FriendFeed and Twitter. Someone has to put the good stuff up there to retweet...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Absolutely! Google Reader is still the first webpage i hit in the morning to read my "a-list" tagged feeds.
- Niklas Sjostrom
absolutely!
- Goktug Gedik
yes i do! but less and less
- Michael
yes i do but since friendfeed came on the scene it gets less and less
- (jeff)isageek
yes but mostly through Feedly, and i do use Friendfeed to replace some stuff too.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Yes.. I would never socialize on it as well, the tool is of course, fantastic..
- Daniel Tal
Yes. I hate to admit it but Google did a great job with Reader. At first I didn't share anything but after some tweaking I got addicted to it. The gadget is great too (when it refreshes of course)
- Carlos Lorenzo
Yes
- Martin Liechti
from fftogo
Yes. the only RSS reader I use. Haven't checked out feedly yet.
- Ravindran Navaneethan
yes, a lot!
- Thomas Lemberger
Yes -- mostly for local/major news sources. I don't really read too many blogs (but do have a handful in there too)
- mark
Fuk yea and how !
- viki saigal
yes
- Seltoon
Bloglines seems to be less reliable than Google Reader, but I stick with it because it's much easier to use. Complete navigation with single key strokes. Google Reader forces me to use the mouse. Too fussy. I'd prefer a desktop client, but haven't found one that is as good as Bloglines (on Linux).
- Peter
Yes I do
- Sampad Swain
Yes. I have hundreds of RSS feeds that I read via Reader. I haven't found a better Web-based replacement. I do not use Reader for it's social networking aspects though.
- Glenn J. Ward
No, I prefer Bloglines.
- Dimitar Vesselinov
Yes
- Spencer
Yes, for all of the sites I follow.
- Robert Kenney
yes
- Sarah Peterman
Yup. Everyday.
- Stephen
Nope.
- Rochelle
Yep
- Mustafa Tan
Nope.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I was just checking Feedburner actually and noticed that 60% of our subscribers (8000+) at TheNextWeb.com use Google Reader....
- Boris
Yes, every day!
- Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik
Yep!
- Adnan Taşkıran
yes
- clarke thomas
I use it and Feedly
- Nathan Chase
yep
- Jayavasanthan J
y, don't get to read everything tho
- Artyom
It's the only RSS reader I use. I've tried several RSS apps on my phone and a couple on my computer and none are anywhere near as good as the web based Google Reader, either on my phone or on the computer. So I just stick with it.
- Nathan Mylott
Zee - thanks for the link - I followed it and found 'helveitreader' which is nicer still. However, I have issues with the interaction as well as the style. (http://ff.im/3d9Np [http://ff.im/3d9Np] is real)
- Robin Barooah
from IM
Every day - on iPhone and Mac ...
- Patrick Jordan
Yes..I push out my shared feeds to a Google Reader widget published on my blog.
- George Dearing
from BuddyFeed
everyday - me also having a dedicated widget on my blogs.
- diego morelli
yes daily
- Lu Tao
yes, daily, for now Twitter and twitter-like services are not replacing it...
- roland legrand
Yes, daily.
- George Brickner
Daily, it is a complement for specialized interests.
- scottnewell
Yes.
- Mark H
Everyday, all the time!
- Patrik Johansson
Yes. only way to keep track of 250blogs, and its the only remotely Social media style site that isn't blocked by my work IT department. I share stuff not in Greader but on here more so.
- Yant
I use reader, but keep looking for ways to cut myself off from it. I hate feeling that I have to read everything.
- Daniel Zarick
Zee, why don't you use ffpolls? :) http://www.ffpolls.com/
- bilge kagan
ffpolls is broken for me
- Robin Barooah
from IM
@Robin Barooah; It's working correctly now.
- bilge kagan
Yes.
- Blake
@Bilge: Not for me: http://screencast.com/t...
- Robin Barooah
Thanks Robin, i told about failure to founder.
- bilge kagan
Yes, weekly
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Robin can you tell me poll title and poll answers?
- F. Batuhan Icoz
Yes, and I love it.
- Amy H.
I use it every day to skim what is going on but don't use it to socialize
- Sandra
part of my core tool set...
- Richard Zeidel
yup
- docrivs
Sure do
- Andrew Leahey
I use it all the time.
- Pete Gilbert
every day
- chrisofspades
Yes
- OnuRC
yes. (btw @robin: it's fixed i think. can you please try again?)
- Yusuf Güzel
Yes, but not actively. I use it to aggregate my favorite newsfeeds into one giant RSS feed, which I feed into Wizz RSS reader (Firefox plugin). Wizz automatically checks for updates at specified intervals, so I stay on top of the latest news from all services. I also use it to search mp3/filesharing RSS feeds that I subscribe to, and to bookmark useful posts.
- LANjackal
Used to use it all the time, but I still check on my feeds from time to time through it.
- i80and
@Yusuf yes - works for me now: http://ff.im/3eQqx
- Robin Barooah
Yes
- Yavuz Karakişi
Nope, i mean i used to but than came FriendFeed
- Majento
All day every day, yes.
- Ms_Krista
Everyday!
- Anthony DCosta
Yes, everyday.
- Cristian
I used to use bloglines, but once google added the ability to search only my feeds, they had me hooked.
- Davis Freeberg
Yes, its my central information repository.Where i aggregate all interesting RSS ( from almost 150 different sources) so i never miss a beat. There are certain desktop apps which are better then Google Reader but whats great about it is its online repository which works for every device i use to access it. Though i clearly think there is a hell lot of improvement needed. In its current avatar it can be pretty unmanagable specially if you read a lot and you can't be online 24*7.
- Abhishek
jah
- Furkan Tunalı
Everyday. I have it set up so a can create keyword specific feeds to selectively send items to other sites.
- Kevin Shannon
Yes and I cannot live without it :)
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
Yes. The best reader out there.
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
Yes, everyday.
- Peter Kruit
yes, I do everyday. I do sharing too. It works like a champ for me.
- Mitchell Hislop
only with feedly otherwise it's clumsy and ugly looking
- Cee Bee
love google reader and sometimes use feedly
- sean808080
via Sharaholic only (to share, and seldom), I've never been to the official site, I don't do browser based RSS/Atom
- Michael W. May
yup its taking over bookmarking....
- cysko
Nope
- Vincent van Wylick
Nope.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
No.
- l0ckergn0me
love it, but wish there were more people on my google social graph
- Saul Howard
I'm inclined to agree about the socializing in the reader. Otherwise, as a reader, it's ace.
- Bronson Harrington
I do however so few of my friends do I do not socialize there.
- Brian Bufalo
yep and I use it with feedly firefox addon
- Adrian
No, I don't use Google Reader.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
yep!
- Gio
Yep! I love GR
- jonas
Yes i use it everyday!
- Brian Moore
obsessively
- Chris Rogers
Late night dim sum - what a brilliant idea!
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where at?
- Roshan Vyas
Fu Lam Mum on Castro St in Mountain View.
- Jess Lee
I like their late night dim sum. It's better than their day-time dim sum because its cooked to order
- Roshan Vyas
What's dim sum? It sounds yummy for my tummy
- sofarsoShawn
Late night dim sum at Fu Lam Mum is good, but I think the selection is limited from their usual, lunchtime dim sum repertoire.
- April Buchheit
How late is it open?
- Cristo
It's open till midnight.
- Jess Lee
I made a promise years ago to never use PowerPoint in front of an audience again. So, how do I organize a presentation? Mind Manager.
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It's magic. Frees your mind from the stupid bullet list that bores audiences to death. Every time I see a PowerPoint deck my brain turns off.
- Robert Scoble
I have used this for years, great communication tool
- Mel Buckpitt
i prefer personalbrain. not as easy to use as mind manager but powerful nonetheless.
- Daniel Langendorf
Robert, as a former highschool teacher, I can assure you that Powerpoint is the evil enemy of learning...and yet every school insisted teachers started using it because the schools thought PP "was" technology...yikes. Advice? Tell stories with passion and understanding.
- Daniel Kenney
Daniel: I totally agree. The way schools teach technology just makes me ill.
- Robert Scoble
anyone ever try prezi.com? it's a bit different-- much more visual
- Ted Curran
So instead of Powerpoint™, use a real presentation platform that allows interactive data and tactile response to both you and your audience.
- Eric Martindale
i have been working on a new keynote /powerpoint method I can
- Ted Curran
PowerPoint is only a problem in that it makes it way too easy to just make lists of bullet points. They almost force you to go down that path. If they could somehow turn that off, and just provide the functionality to create a series of slides, each of which had a line or two of text, an image, etc... I don't think it'd get such a bad rap.
- Ken Sheppardson
*call "Attention Method"-- it's a way to use PPT or Apple Keynote not in the way the program wants to be used but in the way people's minds work
- Ted Curran
similar to other software noted is my favorite.. Big Mouth
- Daniel Kenney
What makes Mind Manager the first platform to come to mind? I have never heard of it until right now.
- Amani
I agree Daniel Kenney :(
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Amani: I saw Buzz Bruggeman give a talk with it and was mesmerized.
- Robert Scoble
Try Prezi, and if you have some time to devote to it, Keynote. Both are really pretty impressive.
- Ivan
I came across http://prezi.com last month, worth a look. It has sort of a tv commercial look, like the 2-d Ford pickup commercials.
- Tanner Powell
Too bad Mind Manager on the mac feels utterly abandoned. I switched to mac, but haven't used MindManager since. A real pity.
- Phil Calvin
I kind of like Prezi too. Very visual. Depends on the situation I suppose.
- Kim Feraday
Keynote.
- Jeremy Franklin
sure. try www.prezi.com. its amazing
- gatza
I don't want to get into a PowerPoint bashing thing here, but I agree it's bad. Another thing I've noticed is that the boring speakers usually have the most elaborate PP presentations. Yikes.
- Missionary Broadcasting
I'm a big fan of MindManager as well. Once you're done conceptualizing your presentation, Powerpoint (or any other presentation tool) can obviously be used as an effective tool. Powerpoint isn't innately evil, it's just too easy to miss-use. If you want to try a different tool give sliderocket.com a try. (but I'd stick with Mindmanager)
- Jason Goldberg
Well that's two programs I had no idea existed 15 minutes ago.
- Dean Clark
Do you use iThoughts iPhone app? I use it every day and they just upgraded to allow Mind Manager export
- Dave
Prezi is too difficult to learn for anyone - it is supercool but if you want to get right down to working, forget it - I wish I could use it - for mindmaps to me nothing beats MindMeister both for presentation materials as well for organizing ideas and tools - it is much easier and immediate than any other mindmapping tool I have tried, including having a full revisions history, working...
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- Robin Good
In the end the vote of PowerPoint chastity should really be targeted at avoiding making the "types" of PowerPoint slideshows that are so bad. Bad choice of images, too much text, and you reading them as you show them. It is not the tool so much, but the culture we have built around it. Whether with PowerPoint, Keynote, Sliderocket, OpenOffice or GoogleDocs the power of your presentation...
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- Robin Good
I wholeheartedly agree with you..PP is horrible! I refuse to use it and I've made a point to reject ppt files that colleagues send me with slides re design changes. I'll have to give MindManager a try..sounds great.
- Sufian Siddiqi
from fftogo
Prezi does look cool. I definitely need to take it for a spin.
- Alexander Grundner
Chalk board & elaborate hand gestures
- sofarsoShawn
The issue with powerpoint (and keynote) is that the flow of the presentation is completely locked in, and the presentation environment is unchanging. Mindmanager (or Freemind) allows branching, and the ability to store extra content for questions (only use as needed). Powerpoint or equivalent is good for building a screen when you want one that can dynamically build. An alternative way...
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- Alistair Nicholson
Come on! it's not the tool but the human mind behind the use of it!
- Stefanos Karagos
I used to use Thebrain.com personal brain for the same purpose. I stopped when I moved to multiplatforms (Mac and linux as well as Windows). I just checked back at the site to find that it is now available cross-platform (haven't checked that the data files are yet tho). I might be remaking contact with an old friend! I liked the easy way one could use local files or web resources. By...
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- Alistair Nicholson
@alistair: It is possible to branch PowerPoint -presentations with hyperlinks that jump from slide to another. Never considered it, but interesting idea. For example, after determining audience level, it could skip slides that explain basic things for experienced audience.
- Jemm
I like Mind Manager. Wish i had a reason to use it.
- Rodfather
Mind Manager rocks on a tablet pc
- Mel Buckpitt
Definitely. That was the last time I used it. It integrated with OneNote well too.
- Rodfather
I have been using Mind Manager for almost a year now exclusively for all my presentations. People love the refreshing look .. and so do I ;-)
- Remkus de Vries
Check out the free pptplex from Office Labs which is an add in for PP that gives you a similar zooming interface as Prezi. http://www.officelabs.com/project...
- Jamie
Alistair: That is exactly how I use PersonalBrain. I have it set up in Dropbox and am able to access it with any computer. It's worth a look-see again. It's also worth using to flesh out ideas for presentations, too, no matter what tool you end up using.
- Daniel Langendorf
Use Prezi at Prezi.com! ;) or sliderocket.com
- Csaba Mad
I am adoring Prezi - just the freshness of the look gives you a 50% boost in new biz meetings, and I really haven't found it at all hard to learn to use
- Jamie
Easy, use Keynote.
- Diego Barros
Last week i was thinking how lame PP is and actually did a presentation at college bashing it. The tool i've used for that was Prezi.com, the one mentioned by a lot of ppl in this thread. You should give them some love, definetely a great worth a look tool.
- Diego Sana
I got tired of trying to find the perfect presentation technique and ended up developing my own http://mlx.netii.net/templat... not perfect, but it works for me.
- MLx
Daniel & Jemm - thanks for that. I've just installed personalbrain on the Mac and opened some old brains done in the PC (aahh nostalgia). I really missed it as a tool. I've been using freemind, which does have some very good features, but personalbrain is still a better tool for this sort of work. Thanks.
- Alistair Nicholson
Jemm - in some cases I will just generate one or two slides using ppt or similar. By exporting them they become individual objects that I can mix and match - or call on as I need, without having to consider how to jump to them within the powerpoint package. Powerpoint (or keynote) then becomes a graphic slide authoring tool that just generates some components or objects I use in my...
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- Alistair Nicholson
I have presented for many years with MindManager. Its great for interactive presentations. Tomorrow I will use it present to a conference of independent financial advisers on the subject of mind mapping and mind mapping software. I humbly suggest they will remember my hour more than the 5 other hours of PowerPoint. This is web version summary. http://twurl.nl/24rzyv
- Andrew Wilcox
Final Cut...create a video!
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
Powerpoint is not the problem but how it is used.... take a look at Presentation Zen (book/website) :-)
- Gianfranco Chicco
Powerpoint is a time sink - whenever I have had to use it I ended up using more time fixing the presentation than focusing on the message. Can't remember which company took powerpoint off the systems and said they measured a productivity increase... or if it is a digital legend... but from my experience I can believe it.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"It's a poor workman who blames his tools" -- old proverb
- Karim
Will you post your preso somewhere, would be great to see how you use it in place of powerpoint.
- jcunwired
Meh. Powerpoint is a tool to put stuff on screen. As long as you're not just reading off it...
- Yuvi
Mindmanager is a great App! I love to pull it up in meetings and just capture the ideas as they flow. Afterwards as a team we organize the information and then put it into a outline for others. Its wows the team every time! For presentations I've seen this used pretty well but if you try to print it out for users afterwards it takes more time to do (open all the collapsed trees.) I've...
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- CW™
Just convert powerpoint slides into pdf and present pdf to the audience.Although I am not a great fan of PDF or for that matter any powerpoint like software.
- ashish
ashish: you're not getting it. There's nothing worse to do to an audience than to present a standard powerpoint deck to them. The format is NOT what makes that boring.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Flash is the answer but it's a pain to learn and expensive to outsource, but that's the answer I think. Besides that, Mindjet MindManager is a fantastic peice of software
- Brandon Hall
Keynote.
- Johnny
You're right, it's not the format, nor is it Powerpoint. It is not using it to in an engaging way.
- Dennis Beatty
Robert,Sorry for misinterpreting your question. This one is a really tricky question.
- ashish
I often find slides take away from the message - people are reading the slide text instead of looking at and listening to the speaker, and the speaker is looking at the slides instead of at the audience. I wouldnt mind the speaker looking at the screen if he was demonstrating something (or writing, in the old blackboard style) but in a way slides which were supposed to support the presentation end up taking away from it. Too passive?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Much of my hourly pay job is presentations. Very interested in playing with new tools. Will review prezi, mindmanager, sliderocket, and personal brain
- Mark Essel
prezi is pretty amazing mark. i also use Free Mind but have never used it for a presentation...
- Morgan
wishing for 2nd like or something to bump this up higher amongst my likes and discussions
- metalerik
dream about it http://mindmappingsoftwareblog.com/
- bonuck (e gli associati?)
I have a talk tomorrow morning at my kids' school about technology in education. I was brainstorming it in Curio and Keynote, but I bought Prezi Pro just cuz it looks so cool. It's a little quirky, a little buggy, and not as flexible as, say Keynote, but it sure is a unique look. Mindmapping + Presentations.
- Leo Laporte
Nothing wrong with Powerpoint, it's just a tool. I do just fine with it and Keynote. Sounds like it's a presenter issue if you're bored
- Bwana ☠
I love mindmanager, but its license is toooo stupidly and insanely expensive!!
- Mohamed Salem Korayem
yeah I love using xmind for organizing talking points but I don't normally use them to present - most audiences don't grok them ime
- mike "glemak" dunn
I'm sorry, trying to learn. I have a 30 slide presentation (+-10) that i present to customers around the world usually in a room of about 10 people. What could Mind Manager do that PPT isn't doing?
- Steve C
For everyone looking to learn more about using MindManager for presentations, I have written up a number of posts on the Mindjet blog that talks about how to do it, some best practices and sample maps. The most popular post in the series was from PresentationCamp SF, "Become a Presentation Superhero": http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... while other posts covered using images, colors, and fonts within your mind maps. Check'em out or contact me if you have questions!
- Michael Deutch
thx michael, bookmarked.
- Steve C
ah, michael good to see you here - for those who don't know him michael is mindjet’s chief evangelist & one of the hardest working community engagement folks on the net - i use xmind because i test lots of open source tools but have been a customer of mindjet for years & love mindmanager :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Yeah thanks Michael, I've been wanting to see some examples/how-to's about using MindManager for presentations.
- Justin Hopkins
Actually I spoke too soon. I'm curious to see some video of a person "giving a talk with it" like you said Robert. Do you have any recordings of some of yours of the Buzz Bruggeman talk you mentioned?
- Justin Hopkins
I find using a Mind Map a lot easier for people to follow and sparks a lot more collaboration from the group.
- Jim Lavin
Robert try Prezi:http://prezi.com/
- Dean Kakridas
If you hate Powerpoint, Robert & friends, then you have to check out Edward Tufte's essay "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within." It's brilliant. And the cover still cracks me up: http://tr.im/lXjv
- Alan Mairson
Funny thing for me is that I've always made fun of PP style presentations and have been known as someone who really gets groups interacting, etc. (check out this clip of a game I led at Seattle Mindcamp -http://tinyurl.com/qjathj) BUT, just recently, I've discovered that for my type of improvised, interactive, often scattered, creative style --powerpoint is actually a good (much needed!) balance. So I've been upping the KeyNote. MultiModal is the way :)
- Leif Hansen
Robin Good: great comment on MindMeister.com - present.io is a very interesting app to keep track of, if you are doing a lot of online presentations. I use Skype screen share (Mac) for Coaching and presenting ways and methods to use applications.
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
How about having a standard cheaper version of mindmanager. I dont use all the awesome features version 8
- Mohamed Salem Korayem
Jemm and others - I'm back having been in the most boring presentation today that I have experienced in a very long time - powerpoint slides of the most horrible structure, plus given over a video conferencing tool where the presenter didn't read any of the questions in the typing area! Thebrain has a free version. What I've found is that because I use tiddlywiki (also free) to organise...
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- Alistair Nicholson
just a quick reaction to the person who suggested video - what can video add if you are there in person?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle a video is a way to engage the audience and let the main messages be reminded. Your role there is to give the right introduction to the video and then open and manage the discussion after it. People will partecipate more to teh discussion. That's my personal experience by the way!
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
Robert, I agree & use MindManager for presentations, as well as various project information summaries, trying to stick to a "one sheet" philosophy for reports. One of my pet peeves is presenters who read the bullets on a PPT. Yikes!
- Rick Cogley
Joelle (thanks Michela) another use of video is short interviews or contributions. For example case studies with a manager from the customer explaining their problem, a business analyst explaining their technique around a specific problem, a web designer talking about how they 'imagine' the personality of a site, demonstration of an experimental technique with a patient. It creates...
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- Alistair Nicholson
I also meant to draw attention to Lief's comment about multi modal and how sometimes a powerpoint slide can present the underlying structure or main points of the presentation. I still believe there can be a place for dot points - so long as they are not the sole content. I believe there are few that would suggest Steve Jobs' presentations are boring, for example. Always worth a watch and they can be found on youtube. Other exemplars are the top rated talks on TED.com.It gives me something to aim for.
- Alistair Nicholson
FreeMind is very useful and Open Source. Give it a try!
- Nicola Junior Vitto
just got into Amode 4 project mgmt. same company @MindSystems. imports @MindJet.
- Courtney Engle
IMHO, my best tool is a whiteboard, and second place, a notebook with squares to plan a sort of storyboard. When I switch back to analog planning, I started to get my best results back on PowerPoint (I love 2007 version). Cheers,
- Rolando Peralta
Wow, what a great thread! I explored some best practices for presentations and wrote the following posts on the Mindjet blog. They could apply for any type of presentation but they're primarily focused on mind mapping...The first: 10 Steps to Great Presentation Maps -- http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...
- Michael Deutch
Next, How to Make a Great Presentation: Mapping Your Content -- This one applies to using mind maps to 'think through' your presentation content, regardless of what tool you select for the actual presentation: http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...
- Michael Deutch
Your use of colors will impact the audience. Use them well! The Secrets of Using Colors in Maps - http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...
- Michael Deutch
What’s a Picture Worth? Here's a post about incorporating images into mind map presentations. http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... -- I saw an interesting tweet from Andrew Wilcox earlier today where he suggested placing large images inside 'topic notes'.
- Michael Deutch
Prezi reminds me of microsoft photosynth.
- ashish
And finally, here are a couple of posts about fonts in your mind map presentations: 10 Fixes for Font Foibles! (http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...) and More Fun for Font Fanatics (http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...).
- Michael Deutch
michael: constructive suggestion - you should setup a mindmap group here on ff so these suggestions can be feed in separately and others can participate, they're just going to get lost inside this thread...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Wow what a great discussion. I have never heard of Prezi before and I will have a very imortant presentation to one of MNO next week. I prepared with PP, but now consider to do from scratch via Prezi.com. Thanks guys!
- Jacque
Robert, do you have anything that you can share that you've used Mind manager for? Do you actually use it in presentations or do you use it as a thought organizing tool? Thanks for answering if you have the time!
- Gregg Morris
i was blown away by a preso done in prezi.com. tried it out, the UI takes some getting used to, but w/ patience the zoom in/out approach yields great presos. worth checking out some of the demos. I saw a preso done w/ it that all took place inside the dot of a question mark (that was the reveal at end of preso). cool.
- Adrian Chan
re. TiddlyWiki: should I mention, that there's also a true presentation version?... http://ow.ly/8vMH
- schilke
Or you could emulate Carrot Top and use props from a great big trunk. Problem is you need to be a) really pumped up and b) certifiably nuts.
- bob corrigan
Schilke - thanks for the link to tiddlywiki presentation version. I've bookmarked that and visited the example. With tiddlywiki each 'tiddler' has a specifically adressable URL so that pages can be individually linked from mindmapping software. That way a complete subtopic can be created as a 'deck' but not invoked in the presentation unless we choose to go there. Back to the 'horrible'...
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- Alistair Nicholson
A cool MindMapping alternative is XMind.
- Martin Seibert
The rebirth of the news business - The Economist - http://www.economist.com/display...
Duncan Hull, George Hall (Australia), Muneer Mirza and 22 other people liked this
Amazingly thorough analysis. Among others: "It is not only a matter of people switching from one medium to another. Nearly everybody who obtains news from the internet also commonly watches it on television or reads a newspaper. Only 5% of Americans regularly get their news from the internet alone. Technology has enabled well-informed people to become even better informed but has not broadened the audience for news. The Pew Centre’s most alarming finding, for anybody who works in the trade, is that the share of 18- to 24-year-olds who got no news at all the previous day has risen from 25% to 34% in the past ten years."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Very good article. The penultimate paragraph is probably as revealing as the rest of the well-arranged data. Newspapers are no longer the most important source of news available. That time is over. They will just have to get used to being a part of the mix. Maybe a small part. For people who want to do things and get on with things and where accurate, reliable and fast information is...
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- tom murphy
I still like to read my newspaper mainly due to my habit rather than convenience. People who have not read newspaper would not start reading it, they would instead try newer technologies(' ebook readers') but for majority of us computers+internet have become synonmous with free news, communication and entertainment. Why would they change that habit?
- ashish
My favorite line: ' “Reporters send us their stories all the time,” notes Tina Brown, a magazine veteran who runs the Daily Beast.' Wait, so if aggregators are "parasites", why exactly would reporters be sending them material? Perhaps they're not so parasitic after all...
- Joel Webber
Interestingly, the Economist is one of the only places I get news anymore. It's always delayed by a week or so, which turns out to be enough time to write deep, insightful articles, rather than just spouting raw information. And I'm perfectly happy to pay for it, which I do.
- Joel Webber
btw Bret, you're featured in ffOldAvatars showcase :) http://ff.im/2ZxNJ / try refreshing the page.
- Alp
That's a great point that I think is so often missed, Joel. It's not that people don't want news, it's just that you can't scoop the internet for breaking news. if I had a paper, I'd leave the breaking news to twitter and blogs, who are better at it anyways, and spend my time on analysis and perspective, something people can't get just anywhere and that they might actually pay for.
- Mr. Gunn
Shai Agassi's bold plan for electric cars | Video on TED.com - http://www.ted.com/index...
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I'm thrilled about this presentation and Shai's network solution for zero emissions vehicles
- Simone Lovati
Brilliant talk.
- Kevin D. White
$700 Billion Bailout Celebrated With Lavish $800 Billion Executive Party - The Onion - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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""I'm glad we were all humble enough to recognize that we couldn't do this on our own," said AIG CEO Edward Liddy, sitting in a hot tub filled with Cristal and seven dozen endangered-quail eggs. "Having come so close to disaster, it is crucial that I eat these 24-karat-gold-leaf-wrapped chocolate truffles to boost stockholder morale and show all the critics and naysayers that we are carrying on just as we always have." "Do not worry, America," Liddy added. "It's business as usual at AIG.""
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
When did The Onion begin reporting serious news?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Mark I don't know but they have been right on lately.
- CW™
After the press congress and the general public finish, AIG will spend millions on getting thier asses RE Sleeved.
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
heh at first glance I thought this was real
- grant fox
Nailing the AIG meme
- Hutch Carpenter
Hey, they should be allowed to celebrate the receipt of the 700 billion in bailout funds...They should have kept the party budget below the bailout amount, but come on people! Which one of us HASN'T gone over budget by $100 billion when organizing a special event?? Let's make sure our houses are clean before we go judging the houses of others...
- Morgan Haley
The craziest thing is that this article was written in December 2008. Good to see that AIG is still keepin' it real.
- Ana
Whats especially (not) funny about this is that The Onion's bailout tab is likely to end up closer to the truth than the one being tossed around presently ($180b).
- Anthony Citrano
Leave it to comedians to cut through the BS and tell us how it really is. There's a reason why a king had a court jester. Look it up... (Jester on wikipedia). I nominate Jon Stewart as Secretary of Jester.
- Eric Thompson
I think Liddy is getting a bum rap. He didn't lead AIG into this mess, he was brought on six months ago to fix it. It's just easy to be mad at him even when the overwhelming majority of angry people don't understand what is going on; they just think they do. http://finalcut.newsvine.com/_news...
- Bill Rawlinson
BTW, the one thing in Mike Arrington's "intervention" post yesterday that deserves its own thread is the idea that we're pouring our creativity into someone else's product and getting bupkis for it. He's right and there's so much to say about this. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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Here's the comment: "Meanwhile, all this attention from Robert has certainly helped the valuations of Friendfeed and Twitter. How much of that value does Robert receive? Zilch."
- Dave Winer
One thing I've learned is that when people pay nothing for your help they value it at $0. Ironically, if they pay you a lot of money for your advice, they really listen. That's why I'm not pouring my time into FF. I realized it was a one-way thing, and wasn't going to get any better. I did my own self-intervention.
- Dave Winer
*hands Dave 5 Linden dollars*
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@DaveWiner - It also means you are left out of the conversation if you don't participate.
- Dave Hodson
Awww. That's sweet but there's another way to look at it -- put your time where it's doing the most good. Aside from that I don't think conversation is that important. I think people totally misunderstood the Cluetrain concept of markets as conversations. But.. whatever. I feel like I'm living on time that was a gift -- so everything I get is a dividend. Happy holidays! :-)
- Dave Winer
@Sinterclas too funny!
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
The service is free, and we make all of the data available via the API. I like to think that the relationship between FriendFeed and its users is mutually beneficial. If there's something else that we should do for people (other than improving the product, which we're working on), please let me know.
- Paul Buchheit
I've made a good salary using products from other people, including those of Dave's. My current blog is hosted on wordpress.com which is a free server owned by Matt Mullenweg.
- Robert Scoble
A CHRISTMAS CAROL. Scrooge sat in front of his computer, the pale light lending a sallow cast to his complexion. "A merry Christmas, Mike!" cried a cheerful voice. It was the voice of his friend, Scoble. "I'm off to post on Friendfeed." "Bah!" said Scrooge, "Humbug!" "You don't mean that, Mike, I'm sure," Scoble said.
- Karim
"I do," replied Scrooge. "Friendfeed is a waste of time. You are adding valuation to something and receiving nothing in return. If I could work my will, every idiot who posts on Friendfeed would be shot like a dog in the street."
- Karim
"But Friendfeed is a fun place," Scoble insisted. "It is a good place with interesting people. And therefore, Mike, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"
- Karim
"Humbug!" replied Scrooge.
- Karim
I understand what Dave means. I had an old washer that worked fine, but I wasn't using. I set it out by the road with a sign that said "Free. Works well." The washer sat there for a week. I changed the sign to "$50.00. Works well." The washer was gone the next morning. Humans perceive that they receive more if the price is higher.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
please, dave, start that discussion somewhere, because in a world where everything we do, every action we take, every minute we spend, is for sale, is only with a profit-making motive, then we're all just basically whores. and what a wonderful world it will be... (or already is?)
- .LAG liked that
Didn't Yahoo try that strategy with Microsoft? "$50 billion. Works well." The washer was still there, though... ;-)
- Karim
@Chris I could use the web app, or the built-in mail client, or even Thunderbird, but I choose Outlook. Partly because I paid for it and damn well am going to get my moneys worth!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@LAG ... and after 6 weeks most live-born mamals begin to use their eyes for the first time to explore their surroundings with a new perspective...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Karim but mine wasn't the old ringer-type of washer ;)
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Chris and you feel that way because you did pay for the experience, not the other way around... ;)
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Wow I just followed the top link and found myself reading Posts about Blogs vs. Comments and about Tweets vs FF Posts and I noodled back into Threads about Comments and followed further Wormholes, Rabbitholes, shiiiit. Talk about a circuitous conversation, yet -- all relevant, all entertaining.
- Marko Bon
Touche Chris. You are the exception that proves the theory...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
You aren't average...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
"How much of that value does Robert receive? Zilch." I believe this was better expressed by little Sally Brown at Christmas, when she told her brother Charlie, "All I want is what I have coming to me. All I want is my fair share."
- Karim
FF is a data flow. If you're subscribed correctly you gain from this data flow. The conversations are like annotations and sub-directories on this flow. The only way you get nothing is if you think your contribution is greater than the whole. For the literary types, think of an author without an editor. FF is the ultimate editor.
- AJ Kohn
Chris, not that I ever use that phrase :-) but this might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karim
hmm....t'is an interesting discussion, on the night before christmas. from a branding point of view, if you give something away for free, there's no story to tell, no brand promise to make. it's free. take it or leave it. if you have a story that engages and moves people, you can charge a premium price. of all tech companies, it seems to me that Apple understands this best. maybe scoble should demand a cut for promoting services he likes, maybe FF,TT should start charging (for API at least). i dont know...
- .LAG liked that
I don't see the user-generated content paradigm disappearing anytime soon. Friendfeed provides the elegant interface, the users provide the content, the value is in the synergy between the two. Yes, the words of big name bloggers and other personalities have potential monetary value. If they want to hold their cards close to their chest, no one is stopping them.
- Laura Norvig
FF and Facebook and Twitter are training wheels for what we have to make work on the open Internet. We're creating an environment with the wrong incentives that concentrates power, and no matter how well-intentioned they are, history has shown, that doesn't turn out well. FF is nice, I've said so many times, but it is also a drug. I think Mike was joking, but he stumbled on a true and important insight.
- Dave Winer
I went to bed too soon! Thanks for jumping in Karim. @LAG if you remember the JPeterman catalogue, as skewered so well on Seinfeld, this is exactly to what Dave is referring. Gussy-up a flannel shirt with a fake story about climbing Peruvian mountains and then double the price of the shirt.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
+1 Dave
- Susan Beebe
Craigslist To Charge for “Erotic Services” Ads - http://www.crunchgear.com/2008...
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Yeah, I opted for paper ballot. I don't trust electronic voting machines - AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU.
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why not? It prints out a copy that you can review & approve :(
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Mine didn't print out anything. I voted on a touch screen and it was like ARE YOU SURE?? ARE YOU SURE??! and then I clicked yes a few times and walked away.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
On the occasions I didn't vote absentee, I generally asked for a paper ballot. I used the touchscreens once, and it did have a scrolling printout behind glass. You couldn't take the printout with you as a receipt, though.
- Scott Bulloch
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Wordle from tonight's debate....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... spread the wealth Obama? Joe the Plumber... is getting the Abner Louima treatment with the plunger
- Noah David Simon
Hilarious, Steve.
- Rex Hammock
He's the only one of us whose personal equity went up 1,000% this week :)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I heard one of the commentators say that Joe should be our next pres because he represents the culmination of American morals and virtues! HAH!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Jason, if you are talking about Joe, he wants to own his own business. I don't think he owns one yet.
- ComicList
Is Joe The Plumber complaining because he's an S-Corp? Just change to a C-Corp and not have the business income flow into personal. No sweat.
- LogEx
People miss the morality aspect of taking someones hard earned money. If you punish success, there will be less of it.
- Robert Hafer
@Robert Understood. At a gut level, I thought that's what this was about until I read the book, "Don't Think of an Elephant" which explains the liberal/progressive thought pattern on this: The objective is not to punish the successful for being successful. The objective is to ensure that those who are benefiting more from the US's public infrastructure are paying commensurately larger amounts to support it. The infrastructure makes possible private success.
- Chris Lasher
Joe the plumber is worried about that portion of his potential future income that may go above $250,000 changing from a 36% bracket to a 39% bracket. Warren Buffett even understands.
- LogEx
The same argument holds true for complaining about paying taxes on short-term gains in the market. Just pay the taxes on the wins and be happy you made a profit!
- Louis Gray
Jason, I have heard lower-middle income people who didn't want raises because it would put them in a higher bracket. Good employers will work out a deal to help out those employees.
- LogEx
Most people who fear the "higher tax bracket" don't really understand incremental tax brackets.
- Brian Johns
They also don't understand effective tax rate and itemized deductions.
- Brian Roy
JOE THE PLUMBER MEETS PR AND MEDIA http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.com/2008...
- Noah David Simon
[Politico]: Obama cautious, vague in economic crisis - http://x.techwheat.com/2QF
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"The Democratic nominee is clearly benefiting from the economic turmoil -- despite a hazy understanding of his solutions."
- newsjunk.com
Politically correct sucks. Oh dear, you might offend someone? I'm sure you have and will again. Forget PC. Just talk.
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No, what sucks is people feeling like they have carte blanche to step all over people's feelings. Why is it so hard to think about what you say before you open your mouth, and apologizing if what you say was taken the wrong way?
- cecily
Thinking about what you say before you say it ≠ being politically correct. Thinking about what you say means you are just doing what everyone should do before they speak to another person. However, sitting there fretting over whether you offend a person by saying the wrong term or writing the wrong words is just crazy. You are always going to offend someone.
- Candace
Before this turns into some stupid discussion on FF that I DO NOT WANT (emphasis for meme) let me explain. That came from ping.fm and was not particularly meant for FriendFeed at all. A friend of mine who is an animator made a video poking fun at PETA and hardcore vegans. Someone wrote a response to it, and ended up pissing off a whole slew of people. Why? Because they wrote and...
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- Candace
And Candace, that's the original spirit of political correctness, what you just described in your last comment. Saying what you think in a constructive --but thoughtful -- fashion.
- cecily
It's gotten out of hand though. It's turned into this massive thing where everyone is biting nails "Oh no I might offend someone that makes up .0000001% of the population!" Being constructive and honest has never been a bad thing. I blame anyone from Seattle for this. That's right, if you're from Seattle, I BLAME YOU! (No, I have no idea why)
- Candace
Cecily: Let's say you dislike being called a "lady", and not knowing this, I direct that term at you. When you let me know that it bothers you, I'll likely apologize and try not to bug you in the future. To me, an apology carries with it an implicit promise to try and do something different next time. [cont'd]
- Roger Benningfield
But you're unlikely to convince me that "lady" is generally inappropriate, so I'm not going to remove it entirely from my vocabulary. If I'm writing or speaking to a general audience, I'm gonna go ahead and use that word as I see fit. I can't very well apologize to any random passers-by who are offended because my words weren't directed at them, and unless their arguments are very persuasive, their hurt feelings aren't going to influence my speech going forward. An apology in that case would be a lie.
- Roger Benningfield
Roger, I wouldn't try to convince you "lady" is universally unacceptable. I would only convince you that *I* don't like the term, and that I would prefer that you not use it when referring to me. Again - the original intent of political correctness as it was defined by lesbian feminists of the 70s was to ease tensions between white feminists and feminists of color, and to enhance personal relationships. It was a way of saying "I'm not sure what the right term is in situation X - what word would you prefer?"
- cecily
And I'm going to take a page from Michelle Obama's speech last night - let's stop accepting things the way they are and start talking about the way things should be. If we know the way it's being used is FUBAR, then let's start using it the way it should, and let's not back down from that.
- cecily
Driving Nightmares versus Beauty...Simply Awesome
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During very restless sleep this morning, I dreamt that FriendFeed was going to auto-aggregate my dreams and I was worried that they were too incoherent.
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Coding dreams are the worst! I often wake up after struggling with some damn computer issue all night just to realize it was just a dream, and now I've got to go do it for real at work. Like the ukulele player in "Waking Life" said; They get our days for minimum wage, and our nights for free.
- Jesse Hattabaugh
True that. Coding mindstate modifiers: Shower, Driving, Drugs, Sleep. I do a lot of my best thinking about design and code in the shower. It's almost always high-quality thought. Driving is better for abstract thought, but if I try to think too concretely it starts using the same brainparts I use for driving. (I code/design spatially, and I drive the same way, so I try to avoid doing...
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- Kevin Fox
(cont'd) is superimposed into the real world, with uncomfortable overtones of powerlessness.
- Kevin Fox
True Jesse, very true...coding dreams are horrible
- Varun Mahajan
Driving: maybe it's because spatial centers are occupied that we can think about things in a different way? And what is up with the shower effect, anyway? I've known programmers who will take five showers a day when they're working on a hard problem. Anyway, coding dreams are bad, but try VLSI layout dreams sometime... it's like playing Tetris while drowning.
- ⓞnor
I just woke up from a dream, spent a few minutes reviewing it, then promptly came up with an idea to record and publish my dreams. Something probably best left unimplemented :)
- James Prudente
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