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Josh Haley

Happy 15th Anniversary, Trish! It's been non-stop laughs and good times! :D

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<3 - Josh Haley

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Happy anniversary you two! - Admiral Anika

Happy anniversary! - Mary Carmen

Happy anniversary! :) - josh neff, geek at large

Happy anniversary! - Joe Silence is not dead

Congratulations :) - Pete

Congrats, Haleys! - Laura Lou Who

Happy Anniversary! - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

Yay! Happy anniversary. :) - Rochelle

epic! Happy anniversary! - Jim Hearts FF

(Josh, you remind me of Bill Murray in this pic.) - Laura Lou Who

Wow, a lot of you are awake and alive! Show this to someone who thinks FF is dead. - Josh Haley

Happy Anniversary Haley's!! <3 <3 - aden

Laura, you would be person #3,672 to say so. ;) I just wish I still looked like I did in this picture from 15 years ago. :p - Josh Haley

Laura, I was thinking the same. Happy Anniversary Josh & Trish!!!! - Jimminy

3,673 - Josh Haley

Also: AWESOME picture of you two! :D - aden

Happy Anniversary! Great picture. :-) - Trish R

Thanks, everyone! You get 1 guess as to what is in that cup. - Josh Haley

Friendfeed may not be dead but nobody has conversations here anymore. Wait, what? - Jim Hearts FF

Happy Anniversary! :) - अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das

Diet Coke is in the cup. - Jimminy

1up, Jimminy - Josh Haley

Happy Anniversary you guys! - AJ Batac

Huzzah! - Miriella

Happy Anniversary! - Michelle Martinez

Happy Anniversary to those eternally young fresh faces! - Christopher Harley

Happy Anniversary, you awesome people, you! - Bren -- Not Grinchy

You guys are all awesome, thank you. :D - Josh Haley

Congrats, both! Happy Anniversary! - Andrew Terry

OMG you guys are SO cute. Congratulations, Haleys!!! - Holly Rae

I love this pic a lot. - Mary Carmen

"Were", Holly Rae. "Were". ;) That pic is 15 years old. - Josh Haley

*poke* you are both still so cute. Don't make me come over there. - aden

thats Awsome...Cong'rat !! Nice Pic and btw you remind me of Bill Murray (had to throw it.. I want a number too ) LOL - Peter Dawson

3,674 ;) - Josh Haley

Aww I adore this photo. Happy Anniversary! - joey

Happy Anniversary! - vicster needs a nap

Hau`oli la ho`omana`o Trish and Josh! - CW™

Way to step it up, there CW! Thanks! Thanks, joey. I really like this pic, too. :) - Josh Haley

btw, Trish is still asleep. She and I (mostly she) were up almost all night with sick baby Zoe, who wouldn't stop crying. Trish is the best. THE BEST, I TELL YA! - Josh Haley

Happy 15th Josh and Trish. You guys are the best couple I know (other than Mom and Dad....and Tom and Katie....and Ren and Stimpy). Congrats to you both! Good job raising 4 great kids too! - Morgan Haley

^----Best man at our wedding - Josh Haley

well, 3rd best actually, when you count dad and the groom....well, maybe 5th best when you throw in some of the other guys....but i was skinny and had long hair, which was nich. - Morgan Haley

or nice, if you are a stickler for spelling.... - Morgan Haley

Happy anniversary. - Eric Logan

Happy Anniversary! - Spidra Webster

Happy Anniversary you two! - Arlan Koizumi from FreshFeed

and isn't it quicker to type '2' thank <3'? - Morgan Haley

I'm awake! Laughs and good times, indeed... Zoe seems fine this morning with none of the tearful monster in sight. Thanks for all the congrats. Josh is still cute after 15 years and will be in 15 more. I love you, Honey! - Trish Haley from iPhone

*swoon* - Josh Haley

congats you too! - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Happy 15th, guys! Ain't it grand? - Jeremy (cropmarks)

Happiest congratulations! Love rocks. - Ayşe E.

Congrats :) - Rodfather

Look at you guys!! Happy Anniversary :) - Charlotte M

I love that photo. Happy Anniversary! - Toby Graham

Josh, were/are in the digital sense it is a huge continuum. - Holly Rae

<3 - Derrick

Congratulations - Ian May

Happy Anniversary you two!!!! <3 Love the photo! - Carmen

Happy Anniversary!!!! You two are so sweet and cute! - Rachel Lea Fox

Happy Anniversary to you both! <3 - Penny

Congratulations! - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Josh - what's that stuff on your head? :-) - Morgan Haley

Caption this photo time! Josh: Dude, take the picture....Trish: I need to make toffee brittle and send some to Morgan! Happy 15th you kids! - Morgan Haley

Dude, you were kind of a badass back in the day with your Hawaiian print and Jurassic Park cup. What happened? ;-) - Jason Huebel

Still got the Hawaiian print and the movie-themed cups. - Josh Haley

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY! We're only a couple of years behind you (our 13th was last month). We'll catch up eventually, though. ;-) - Jason Huebel

You two are such an amazing couple -- and who in the world is that smokin' hot dude on the left! ;) - Mona Nomura

Ha! That's the dude I had to fight and kill to win over Trish. ;) Thanks, Mona - Josh Haley

You and Trish give me hope that there is such a thing as happily ever afters :) All you need is a sense of humor and tons of love. Thanks for sharing your lives with us and happy anniversary! - Mona Nomura

what's amazing is that they really are happy. like clams. like really happy clams. and it's pure joy silly happiness. this couple, along with their wonderful 4 kids, are proof that this world isn't doomed yet. i am lucky to be linked to these clowns. keep it up josh and trish. show the world that it really will be ok in the end. much love. and tell the kids that uncle morgan says 'shut up!'. - Morgan Haley

Derrick

OMG, I LOVE WORDS.

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(said the writer) - Derrick

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uh huh - Glen Mistletoe

Since I began studying, kinda sorta, for the GRE, I can't stop looking at the dictionary and thesaurus.. - Derrick

Word! - Betsy (bentley) Vera

Tasty, tasty words. - s t e v e

But are there words you don't like? I can't stand the word "copacetic" *shudder* - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF

"shudder"? "Copacetic" I can see, but why "shudder"? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

I love having access to the OED online. It makes me unreasonably happy. - Katy S

And I subbed to a word of the day thingee that arrives in my email every morning. - Derrick

Derrick, you're definitely my #1 imaginary boyfriend now! <3 - josh neff, geek at large

:)))))))) - Derrick

well, not all of them apparently - Morgan Haley

SORRY I DON'T LIKE TO BE CALLED FAGGOT, MORGAN. - Derrick

whoa! - Bren -- Not Grinchy

I love faggots for dinner, accompanied by pease pudding. - Ian May

Clearly not all words have the same meaning everywhere, Ian. [Insert diminished sigh] - Derrick

good grief. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

This thread went thataway. :( - Derrick

The original point was great, though. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Thank you Bren. I'm trying to be positive and focus on that. - Derrick

conundrum - Glen Mistletoe

livid - Glen Mistletoe

translucent - Glen Mistletoe

pelvic - Glen Mistletoe

Distasteful - Bren -- Not Grinchy

orts - Glen Mistletoe

pelf - Glen Mistletoe

supernumerary - Glen Mistletoe

maleficent - Bren -- Not Grinchy

abrogate - Bren -- Not Grinchy

prurient - Glen Mistletoe

marsupial - Bren -- Not Grinchy

kvetch - Glen Mistletoe

its only words and words are all I have to take...................... - VAL D. Zone

diletante - Bren -- Not Grinchy

bulbous bouffant: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (give it time to warm up) - DJF

radish - Glen Mistletoe

don't sell yourself short, Glen. you are fully rad, not just radish. :) - Bren -- Not Grinchy

putrescence - Glen Mistletoe

minion - Bren -- Not Grinchy

zeugma - Katy S

Widdershins - Katy S

transmogrify - Katy S

spork - Katy S

Mukluks! - Great Scott!

quare - Katy S

mollycoddle - Katy S

haberdashery - Katy S

frippery - Katy S

crapulence - Katy S

cremains - Katy S

I'm going to write all of these down and their definitions in a notebook. - Derrick

bromidic - Katy S

anaphora - Katy S

cuckold - Katy S

I am a geek - Katy S

eldritch - Katy S

fuckery - Matthew DeVries

asshat - Katy S

bukkake - Joe Silence is not dead

diaspora - Joe Silence is not dead

bitchslapotential - Morgan Haley

elbow (see the 1986 version of "The Singing Detective" starring Michael Gambon for details) - Joe Silence is not dead

Kwyjibo - Laura Lou Who

suq - Katy S

poltroon - Katy S

cromulent - Laura Lou Who

fucktonne - Joe Silence is not dead

pulchritude - Joe Silence is not dead

pompatus - Laura Lou Who

Cellar door - Arlan Koizumi

That's what they put in them books, ain't it? I hate those. - Christopher A Carr

have you seen savetthewords.org yet? mine are boreism and frutescent. - Lo

++ arlan! - Lo

fructivore - Laura Lou Who

deixis - Christopher A Carr

chrysanthemum - Derrick

lexicography - Christopher A Carr

Mellifluous - Bren -- Not Grinchy from iPhone

fluoresce - Laura Lou Who

Hatchibombotar - Derrick

discooperate (yes, that is my own creation) - holly

badonkashein - Morgan Haley

Fancypants - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

defenestrate - s t e v e

"First, I'd like to say a few words. They are: Nitwit! blubber! oddment! tweak!" - Jeremy (cropmarks)

when did i call you a faggot Derrick? - Morgan Haley

cachexia - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

anatiferous - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

beriberi - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

borborygmi - Victor Ganata

borbetomagus - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

hammerdown - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

rabbitears - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

hammerdown - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

concupiscence - Tofu De la Moore from BuddyFeed

voluptuous - Tofu De la Moore from BuddyFeed

insatiable ....k, I'm done. - Tofu De la Moore from BuddyFeed

"insatiable ....k, I'm done." There is something wrong with that sentence. - s t e v e

You didn't, Morgan, but you brought up a Spanish variant in another thread. - Derrick

yeah, and if you noticed, it was a joke that had nothing to do with you. so if you take things in other threads personally, especially when they are not offensive to anyone else in context, then I guess I need to apologize for everything I've ever posted because either I'm a fucking insensitive prick, or you are a bit too defensive about shit that was never directed at you in any way, shape or form. either way, if you were hurt by something i did or said, i sincerely apologize for that result. - Morgan Haley

Litotes. - Katy S

Uh, thanks? - Derrick

Periphrasis - Katy S

Metonymy - Katy S

Isocolon (I love schemes and tropes) - Katy S

lexeme - Christopher A Carr

Misunderstanding :P - Lo

Mulomedic - Brad Greer

Michael W. May to Michael's feed, Foods

sketi with sausage and zucchini marinara (aka Lunch) - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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I was going to make it all uniform and professional but the ones trying to sneak away make me want to eat them first (again) so I left them. - Michael W. May

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"the ones trying to sneak away" hee. :D - Yolanda

sketi is sneaky like that *grin* - Michael W. May

I want to go to there. I just put my leftover Popeye's in the frig. - Derrick

Johnny Worthington

I am enjoying the Beard/Sunglasses combo I'm rocking...

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looks like it's working for you there. - Joe Silence is not dead

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Glad it's not at the ... Joaquin ... level - Mo Kargas

Just like me, I get the red beard too, awesome! - Scott

Fierce. - Mellissa Claus

I need sunnies - Will Higgins™

BBBBBAYD....BAYD TO THE BONE... - Mo Kargas

wait a second...I already said that before .. http://friendfeed.com/jworthi... - Mo Kargas

I'll still take it Mo :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

TWSS - Mo Kargas

Derrick

Dear Hip Hop... - http://geekandahalf.posterous.com/dear-hi...

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Posterous can suck it. WTF is going on with the formating? EFF EMM ELL. - Derrick

Great post Derrick--Thanks for saying something about Posterous' formating issues. I've been having all KINDS of trouble there. Thought I was just doing it wrong. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Meh, whatever. I'll try to fix it later. Hopefully you can still read it and it makes sense. - Derrick

Posterous usually involves you tweaking the HTML - Shevonne

Awesome piece, D. Let's make babies. :D - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

#oohtinypants! (and thank you, sugar) - Derrick

LOVE! - Tamara

YAY! I have my own hashtag now! :D - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

Great post. - Jeremy (cropmarks)

Mike Nencetti

I AM EXCUSED FROM JURY DUTY!!! (in a way, I almost wanted to go....) I have never sat on a jury.

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i've gotten out of it twice, both times when I was in college. i always wanted to do it too. especially now, my company continues to pay full salary while on it. would be a nice paid break. - Bill Kinney

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I had planned to bring a book or two. no phones, no pc, just read. - Mike Nencetti

I was called for a few ......they did not need me on one and I cannot do it now...........but if I had any I saw on courttv in session I would bring along a pin to keep poking myself to stay awake with all the babbling that goes on..... - VAL D. Zone

why cant you sit on a jury - Mike Nencetti

I am crippled with arthritis and I cannot sit for long periods at a time..especially in those chairs............sucks - VAL D. Zone

sorry to hear about the arthritis. i know nothing about arthritis..... sends a long distance hug to help :) - Mike Nencetti

I have never been called. I think I'm on a "list" somewhere - sjjh

I have only received 2 summons in my entire life. I've moved a lot over the years. Maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe it's just luck. I doubt it's personal - Mike Nencetti

thank you Mike....... - VAL D. Zone

RAPatton to RAPatton's feed, Foods

Domino's Changes Pizza Recipe - Slashfood - http://www.slashfood.com/2009...

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"Like many middle-agers, Domino's Pizza is undergoing a bit of cosmetic surgery. The world's largest pizza delivery chain, celebrating its 50th year in the business in 2010, announced today it will be entirely changing its core pizza recipe. "The fact is, we love our pizza, but as times change, so do consumer tastes," said Russell Weiner, Domino's chief marketing officer, in a statement. "We've created a pizza to reflect what consumers are looking for. We're not talking about a slightly altered version of our previous pizza. It's a completely new pizza reinvented from the crust up, and we are proud of it." After 18 months testing dozens of cheeses, 15 sauces and 50 crust-seasoning blends, Domino's decided on the new components of the pizza." - RAPatton from Bookmarklet

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"The new crust will be seasoned with garlic, butter and parsley. While the new tomato sauce will be sweeter, made with a variety of herbs and a kick of red pepper. The cheese is shredded mozzarella, versus diced, with a hint of provolone." - RAPatton

I feel like I'm reading the Onion here. - Andrew C

I had Domino's once, when i was like 12. I liked it. I had been meaning to try it again. I guess I better do it soon! - Christopher Chung

Bring back the Noid! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Rick Schmidt

I love all the melodrama in the comments. I don't know about other people, but I can't be bothered to be brand loyal to a pizza chain. There are so many pizza places out there why would you narrow focus like that? With that said, I've long disliked Domino's so I'm kinda interested to try the new recipe. - James

Tomato sauce? What tomato sauce? They've been skimping on the sauce for years now. - ronin

I'm good. - Derrick

I've haven't had Dominos since I was in college - RAPatton from iPhone

WorldofHiglet

Looking at maybe retraining. DO ANYBODY NO A GOOD TEACH-YOURSELF PHP BOOK/ONLINE COURSE?

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Anybody? - WorldofHiglet

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Anyone? - WorldofHiglet

I dig ditches. Sorry... - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod

I sell beds. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

try this link (Louis Simoneau here, on FF, works for them): www.sitepoint.com - T. Brent, technopeasant

Ok, well I hadn't considered retraining for either of these professions, but at this stage I'm willing to be flexible. Bren: I like sleeping, so maybe a careers selling beds awaits me? MVB: I usually like to stay out of ditches - will this count against me if I wanted to look into ditches? - WorldofHiglet

Oh - thanks, T. Brent - I'm looking at that now :) - WorldofHiglet

Well, we try to keep from falling in them ourselves. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod

Good to know, MVB. I shall investigate further. - WorldofHiglet

Hi WoH, one of the SitePoint books (Kevin Yank's "Data Driven Web Site w/ PHP and MySQL) is a great introduction...there's a Christmas advent sale on now: http://sale.sitepoint.com/ ... I can't see into the future, but I'd bet that one of the upcoming deals might include that book ... ;-) You can also get a PDF sample of it that's something like 4 chapters worth: http://www.sitepoint.com/books... - Louis Simoneau

I always just go back to php.net. But it's really mostly reference. - Josh Haley

Thanks, Louis, I will keep an eye out and check out the sample. Josh: good to know, too. - WorldofHiglet

Thanks Higlet for asking this, thanks other folks for answering. Needed this info today. - Amber, Random Time Lord

Mladen Srdić

Christopher Walken's Three Little Pigs - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Awesome - Josh Haley

Where you from Mladen? Just curious on my part - Morgan Haley

Derrick

I blame Kamilah!!

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WANT. *whimper* - holly

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Love that chicken from - Josh Haley

Dang nabbit that looks GOOD! - Morgan Haley

oh my god - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

DAMN! I'm craving fried chicken too...specifically Miss Peaches... - Anna Lynn M.

Spiceys on LI - VAL D. Zone

Steven Perez

Steampunk menorah | Boing Boing - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...

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"My pal Roger Wood, the mad clock sculptor of Klockwerks.com, really puts the "Ch" back in "Channukah" with this steampunk menorah." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet

Shevonne

RIP: Jennifer Jones, they don’t make actresses like you anymore - http://www.dcfemella.com/reviews...

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via powell-pressburger.org I remember when I first saw Jennifer Jones in the “The Song of Bernadette.” I was mesmerized. She had this beautiful quality about her that left me wanting to see more of her. After that, I watched any film that she was in, including: The Towering Inferno A Farewell [...] - Shevonne

I've long adored Jennifer Jones. RIP. - vicster needs a nap

Same here. She was 90, so she lived a long life. <3 - Shevonne

Mary Carmen

Just like I would date a dude based on his record collection, I would also break-up with him because of his lack of it. #iamshallow #musicsnobbery

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data? - Joe Silence is not dead

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date- i think faster than I type. - Mary Carmen

Gotta be vinyl? - s t e v e

it does not have to be vinyl, but I will always appreciate vinyl. - Mary Carmen

What'll you do in the future -- check out his iPod? - John Dupuis

Actually I do check out his ipod, his blip and last streams. I ask about what he is loving at the moment. I would break up with someone if they had little to no passion about music, more than what they are listening to. I have pretty broad and eclectic tastes. More than anything, I want them to be passionate about it. - Mary Carmen

What type of bands would be a deal breaker for you? Is this more genre specific or are they're certain acts that turn you off? - Davis Freeberg

I think for me, popular country would be a deal breaker. - Mary Carmen

I have to say that I used to say this, but had to forgive my wife for her love of John Denver. Sometimes upbringing leaves lifetime scars. - Jeremy (cropmarks)

Mary, I'm right there with you. Oh, and I need some vinyl. Like 10+? Not much, but enough. - Kendra <3 Three Lions

Please dont break up with me because of my shitty music collection! - ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet

lol...Colleen is there something you should tell me? Are you a dude? Is our homance totally fake? - Mary Carmen

Oh, as long as music doesnt enter into the homance, that's okay. I keep my country tunes far from you :) - ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet

except when im in your car.....lol. no worries, i still love you. - Mary Carmen

don't hate me for my lack of affection for country music. - Morgan Haley

*hopes Creed and Nickelback would be deal breakers* - Joe Silence is not dead

*nods at Joe* - Mary Carmen

*cleans up music collection* - ha3rvey, not a sweetheart

I lie a little....there is a Creed song or two I like. - Mary Carmen

0_o *TOTALLY breaks up with you* - Joe Silence is not dead

And I had to forgive my husband his strange love of both the Pixies and Static X... there's worse things than bad taste in music ;-) - Jenthemum

lol....s'ok. you're wife will be happy! - Mary Carmen

HEY ... you forgot The Cure. You hate them too. - Jeremy (cropmarks)

I am not really as concerned with bad taste, as I am with no taste at all. For many reasons, music is incredibly important to me. I grew up literally surrounded by it, it has always helped me through my treatments and illness, and almost every fun time I have had has centered around it in some way. I must have someone who enjoys it as much as I do. - Mary Carmen

I went for the worst of the worst.... The Cure has at least grown on me. - Jenthemum

One day you will love the Pixies as well. Muahahahha. - Jeremy (cropmarks)

I could see that... I used to work with a lady whose husband hated to have music playing. That would be difficult for a music lover. - Jenthemum

Jer- don't bet on it. My repulsion has only grown. - Jenthemum

i married someone for whom music is aural wallpaper. for her, the perfect volume is the edge of perceptibility! :( - Joe Silence is not dead

*side hugs Joe sympathetically* - Jenthemum

So I'm guessing my chipmunks christmas album prolly... - WarLord

I like the Chipmunks Christmas album.....in December. - Mary Carmen

one of the reasons i got with my SO was that he collected CRASS records (and OpIvy) as obsessively as i collect stupid punk bands. mutual appreciation, baby. - Kendra <3 Three Lions

*weeps openly* - Joe Silence is not dead

there is no crying in MUSIC! - Mary Carmen

You don't listen to Morrissey, do you? - Kendra <3 Three Lions

KK , be nice! ;-) - Mary Carmen

nope, tho i do rate Johnny Marr as a guitarist. but i don't think they've collaborated in ages. - Joe Silence is not dead

I'm a music freak and used to feel the same way about dating men with bad/no taste in music, but I got over it. When R and I started dating, he wasn't really into music much, but some of my taste rubbed off on him and he actually got into some bands and started bringing cool music to me. Win. - Kaijsa Calkins

Mathew A. Koeneker

We all need encouragement from time to time. Some times all the time. None of us are immune to depressions.

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((Mathew)) - VAL D. Zone

Thank you! ((HUGZ)) :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

:) - VAL D. Zone

Charlotte M

Looks like the BBC need to hire people who know the difference between an explicit version and non-explicit version of a song!

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Christopher Harris

having to resist writing a blog post about free will, how ironic

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As you said the other day, it's not science. Or do you have a philosophy blog? - Alexander Kruel

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My blog is a little bit of everything but nevermind, the point is that free will IS entering the scientific language. It's not the free will we're used to (it's not necessarily conscious, it's fully brain based etc) but it's certainly getting in: on the brain science podcast just the other day they embraced it, and a paper I read this weekend is full of intentional concepts despite... more... - Christopher Harris

Yeah, it IS entering the scientific language. But wait, it's not what you think it is. It's really banana juice. Sorry people for the deception. Well, I'm not going to read it. Up next: the reintroduction of evil into the legal system. Again, not what you think, it's just free people doing bad things. Phew... - Alexander Kruel

I think I know why you're so adamant about this. I was raised Christian too and the stress of spending many young years realizing how much of what I'd been told was false and irrational still to this day predisposes me to attack anything that smells like scientifically naive, wishful thinking. Free will used to be a prime target of this anger and frustration as late as a few years ago.... more... - Christopher Harris

Seriously, scientists are also just humans. I've been amazed lately of how dumb educated people can be. Ever heard of Nassim Taleb? What a crank. Anyway, it's really sad to hear this. Free will is the creationism of neuroscience. And if it's true what you're saying, then woo is winning in that field. It's also not ignorance not to read some mathematical musings you may provide underpinning your notion of free will. I don't do it for the same reasons that I don't read papers by Jehovah's Witnesses. - Alexander Kruel

It's not just religious opposition. I'm saying the same when it comes to all the bullshit about consciousness. Or take Roger Penrose, I'd tell him he's making up bs there any time. It's dancing around rainbows end. You don't need expertise for this stuff. It's just flawed reasoning. An oxymoron. Of course, that there is something rather than nothing is a problem that also conflicts with... more... - Alexander Kruel

Well, sometimes there ARE reasons to assume things. For instance we don't know that other people are conscious but the way they talk and act make us assume they are. With recent advances in brain imaging we're starting to be able to distinguish conscious from unconscious brain states which gives us more reason to assume other people are conscious, even though the evidence is not... more... - Christopher Harris

What I meant about bs regarding consciousness is the opinion of some that we cannot tackle this concept with science. The sacrosanct of subjectivity and the first-person perspective. I've written something on topic here: http://friendfeed.com/minds... - Alexander Kruel

"If I cut my throat I may disover that I was dreaming or that I have been playing some advanced virtual reality game all along. Everything is possible. But right now there are safer and more promising options of gaining knowledge. How can I be sure? I can't, but there is evidence which proved to be reliable so far. I have to suspect that it will continue to be reliable based on... more... - Alexander Kruel

Assume free will? No reason. It's a concept that should at best be examined by psychology or the social sciences. It's a cultural idea. - Alexander Kruel

Hey don't despair about free will being studied by scientists, consider this: Even if science truly incorporates free will, such that there are centers for The Neuroscientific Study of Free Will popping up everywhere the way they do around consciousness studies at the moment, then we may still get to a point were we understand the operation of free will in human brains so thoroughly as to be able to predict free decisions. At that point science will truly have killed any traditional notions of free will. - Christopher Harris

I don't despair. I'm just worried about the underlying reasons people have to introduce it in the first place. Suspicious. And it may slow down discovery. It highlights a fundamental error in reasoning in that field. That is bad. At the very least, it will always act as a semantic obfuscation for calling randomness, unpredictability and spontaneous behaviour 'free will' when there obviously exist other, more descriptive terms. - Alexander Kruel

blah..."for calling" not not ;-) - Alexander Kruel

We can't know whether there "obviously exist other, more descriptive terms" until we know more about the phenomenon we're naming. 'Random' doesn't cut it, that was the point of Brembs' 2008 paper. 'Spontaneous' doesn't cut it because behaviour is spontaneous even in disease states where autonomous agency is impaired. This is why I want to write a blog post, to list the similarities and... more... - Christopher Harris

Well, nobody can stake a claim to natural language. If you actually want to create your own definition of 'free will', I'll refer to "'free will' as defined by Harris" (or "Free Harris") thenceforward. But what do you say isn't 'cutting it'? What phenomenon? I know that randomness is poriferous. Spontaneous is fatuitous. I commited the mistake to name those terms for the ease of not... more... - Alexander Kruel

Oh no no, I've gone along with trying to articulate and defend the new free will here but I haven't yet decided what I really think about it and it's certainly not my idea. - Christopher Harris

The phenomenon is the generation of will and behaviour by nervous systems - Christopher Harris

I think you're confusing a naive mind over matter attitude with a dynamical systems attitude where emergent properties are important - Christopher Harris

Just forget what I said. Was maybe all bs. A blog post on emergent properties would be cool. Sorry. Thanks. - Alexander Kruel

I think you should write a blog post about free will after all. I'd like you to unravel the following points: 1. To what does the word 'free' in 'free will' apply? 2. What would be the difference between a being (i.e. fruit fly) which posses free will and one that doesn't? 3. Does free will apply to a certain entity or behavior? 4. Is there a borderline between free and not free? 5. How... more... - Alexander Kruel

well I'll have to so something, just got this comment on my 'What is dopamine?' video: "i love this video. i too think that we're just one big chemical machine with no free will. just the playing out of molecules in a bigger scale." - Christopher Harris

those are good questions though, hope I can address some of them when i'm done reading (still going through the papers Bjorn Brems recommended.. this Vladimir Brezina guy is vicious on the maths, hard to keep up) - Christopher Harris

Well, that's completely obvious to me since I first thought about it when being much younger. That's why I'm commenting here and elsewhere. Out of sheer incredulity that anybody in his right mind could contemplate about free will for long. I don't want to be derogatory here. I could be wrong, I could suffer some neurological deficit. As I said above, I can't wrap my mind around the... more... - Alexander Kruel

And about math, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Alexander Kruel

You can show all kind of stuff with math. Just take string theory. If you want to prove 'free will' with math, simple answer: 'Not even wrong' - Alexander Kruel

On the other hand: http://www.marginalrevolution.com/margina... - That would rock, I'd love that to be the case. - Alexander Kruel

I don't actually care about the philosophical/semantic arguments around free will all that much. what matters to me are the cases where free will most obviously breaks down. how can we learn to control ourselves better? that's my real concern. - Christopher Harris

Where 'free will' breaks down is really when volition breaks down. Anyway, self-control is the enemy of diversity. I'm here, doing this for a lack of control. If I had enough control I'd still be religious today, ignoring everything that might shatter my desire to believe. -- Always reminds of this quote: “If we could deliberately seize control of our pleasure systems, we could... more... - Alexander Kruel

This is just in: When Situations Not Personality Dictate Our Behaviour - http://www.spring.org.uk/2009... "Contrary to our instincts, however, studies such as this one demonstrate that it is frequently the situation that controls our actions more strongly than personality." - Alexander Kruel

Full list of publications by Vladimir Brezina http://146.203.52.26/Neurosc... - Alexander Kruel

That's something for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Alexander Kruel

Just Exactly What Is Determinism? http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog... / Forget free will and get on with empirical psychology. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog... / Free will is not a question for science. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog... - Alexander Kruel

Good question: "The will is thought to be free if a person manages to overcome a short-term temptation for the sake of a greater, but later, value. Self-regulation raises a final asymmetry. Suppose you have a choice between slapping a misbehaving child and patiently discussing her behavior. Will you get free-will credit only for patient self-regulation?" - Alexander Kruel

How would one differentiate between a system with "genuine" free-will, and a deterministic system whose future states can not be predicted/calculated short of running the system? - Christopher A Carr

@Christopher: What's 'genuine' free will? The last serious thinkers to take dualism seriously probably were Popper and Eccles in the 1970s. Since then, dualism has been dead. I don't see any professional neuroscientist claiming that anything other than the brain is everything we are, as people, identities, self. So apart from a ghost in our heads, what's 'genuine' free will? - Björn Brembs

@Christopher You'd better ask him if a fruit fly without spontaneous variations in its behavior would be in any meaningful way different, from one which possess a spontaneous variation generator, regarding the notion of free will. To me it is a laughable resurrection of a obsolete concept by twisting its meaning beyond recognition. In other words, a "free will of the gaps" approach.... more... - Alexander Kruel

By the way, Brembs' paper is very good and important work. Something I admire. I'm just calling bullshit on its interpretation. Just so that is clear, some people are easily upset :-) - Alexander Kruel

The brain as system that 'transforms sensory input into motor output' is a working defintion but has nothing to do with the reality of physical interactions. It cannot be used to call willful action free contrary to deliberate acts that are purely deterministic. In no meaningful way, regarding the concept of free will, are internal interactions within a brain different from interactions... more... - Alexander Kruel

Possibility and Could-ness http://lesswrong.com/lw... - "The statement, "I could jump off the cliff, if I chose to" is entirely compatible with "It is physically impossible that I will jump off that cliff". It need only be physically impossible for you to choose to jump off a cliff - not physically impossible for any simple reason, perhaps, just a complex fact about what your brain will and will not choose." - Alexander Kruel

Didn't know about this: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki... - Alexander Kruel

One of the easiest hard questions, as millennia-old philosophical dilemmas go. Though this impossible question is fully and completely dissolved on Less Wrong... http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki... - Alexander Kruel

@Christopher many chaotic systems in nature (e.g. the weather) are deterministic systems whose future states cannot (as far as we know) be predicted/calculated short of running the system, but we don't think of them as having will; we don't think of them as agents. even a willful agent might not be considered capable of free will however if his/her/its will expresses itself merely as... more... - Christopher Harris

@Alex "The notion of free will has a lot to do with choice and control, neither of which can be used to describe how your brain processes its decisions." This is simply incorrect: choice and control are the subjects of countless rigorous investigations, the terms are used in the neuroscientific litterature every day. Stop saying these things cannot be studied scientifically, they can,... more... - Christopher Harris

OK, Christopher, let me rephrase that: How would one differentiate between a brain with "genuine" free-will, and a deterministic brain whose future states can not be predicted/calculated short of running the system? - Christopher A Carr

Björn: Indeed. So why is the term "free-will" used? - Christopher A Carr

@Christopher (awesome name by the way) I'm not sure what you mean by "genuine", people have always struggled with the definiotion of free will, from Hume's compatibilism to Kant's transcendental freedom. I'm interested in this new intepretation of free will because it may finally give us something more solid to work with, something I can study in the lab and do statistics on. I think... more... - Christopher Harris

I only use the term "genuine" (and in quotes) to note that one can't tell the difference between the two cases I offered, at least as I understand the meaning of "free-will." I guess I'm with Alex in not comprehending why you bother with the term at all. - Christopher A Carr

What is your definition of Free Will, Christopher A. Carr? Apart from any philosopher's interpretation, what do you say it is or rather, what would you like it to be? - Melanie Reed

Melanie: You would be the only one in the thread now to define it as that thing which is beamed into heads by Yahweh, the Semitic mountain deity. Your inclusion in the discussion can only effect a hijacking of the thread. - Christopher A Carr

That is not for you to judge. I asked a question. It is pertinent to the subject matter. It is your choice (free will) to answer it. - Melanie Reed

Christopher, my reason for considering using that term is that most people have an experience of free will, and it may be that the process underlying that experience is very interesting and important. I'd like to understand the workings of that process in a small neural network and maybe one day reproduce it computationally. Also, people stress about free will with regards to the iPlant and dopamine in general, so this re-intepretation may be fruitful to that side of what I do too. - Christopher Harris

Melanie: Actually, I think it would have to be accounted for by some metaphysical woo-woo along those lines, which is why I think it's nonsense. Were we to talk about the subject, it would devolve into the omniscient creator, pre-determination/self-determination paradox, which is not the subject of this thread. - Christopher A Carr

Christopher: How would the subjective experience differ between those two options I offered? - Christopher A Carr

Thou mayest, Christopher. Not a microbe. Not quark. Thou. - Melanie Reed

Christopher Carr: I think you're right, you can't really tell if we actually have free will, or if it's just an illusion due to the underlying mechanisms of consciousness. But, the sensation of free-will--the feeling that we have to make choices--is surely something we've all experienced, and if it's something we experience, then the underlying mechanisms can be elucidated. - Victor Ganata

Victor: I agree. I'm all for the study of neural correlates of the sensation of free-will, or however you might want to phrase that... - Christopher A Carr

Melanie: "Thou" is a second person singular pronoun. So? Appealing to those texts you worship cuts no ice with me. - Christopher A Carr

Christopher: It comes from a very famous quote out of John Steinbeck's novel East of Eden. The main character of the Chinese Housekeeper, Lee, who despite his position is a meticulous researcher of language. He explains to Cal at the end the fruit of his lifetime research which covers the main theme of Steinbeck's novel: Choice: “Don’t you see? . . . The American Standard translation... more... - Melanie Reed

Melanie: Is any of that supposed to constitute evidence of anything? - Christopher A Carr

Christopher: Prove to me that you love someone. Show me some evidence. - Melanie Reed

Yeah, I saw _Contact_ too. - Eph Zero

Melanie: In fact -- and Christopher H could speak to this -- I bet it's possible to recognize romantic love in patterns of activity shown via fMRI. - Christopher A Carr

Ah, I get it now. The discussion regarding the existence of free will is just another insult to you, Melanie. It took me a few minutes to understand your presence in this thread. - Eivind

Christopher: How then did people recognize love before there was MRI? How could they be sure? There was no evidence, if evidence is only obtained from technology. Can you name anything that is self-evident? - Melanie Reed

Not at all, Elvind. I just want to make sure you have been given the opportunity to consider all the evidence. We can become "prisoners of one idea." The concept of Free Will was not originated from the scientific field. - Melanie Reed

Melanie: Having a sense of self doesn't mean that the brain is not a deterministic system. ...as to your reply to Eivind, since when are you concerned with "evidence?" - Christopher A Carr

"We hold these truths to be self-evident..." - Melanie Reed

Melanie: I suggest that if you would like to contribute to this thread, go back through and read it all in order to understand what it is that's being discussed. If you would like to talk about something else, feel free to start your own thread. - Christopher A Carr

Christopher, If you want to study something that did not come from your field, I agree with the originator of this thread that it is helpful to listen to those who espouse what you are trying to gain knowledge about. There is a connective tissue, indeed, a fabric that is essential to your pursuit. - Melanie Reed

If someone said they loved me but didn't show me "evidence" of such (e.g., treating me well, showing affection, etc.), the word itself would be meaningless. In fact, it's a very vague term to begin with. What exactly do you mean by it, anyway? - Eph Zero

Wait, no need to answer that and go further off-topic. - Eph Zero

Determinism in the fundamental sense has ceased to be a viable concept with the discovery of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Determinism in the sense of predictability has ceased to be a viable concept since our understanding of deterministic chaos started happening. Dualism (aka 'genuine' free will, magic-man-done-it, or ghost in my head) has ceased to be a viable concept since... more... - Björn Brembs

Our sense of free will, the personal experience of it - much of this is usually referred to as agency - is an entirely different matter, although there is some tentative evidence that the brain functions subserving both may overlap. - Björn Brembs

@Christopher Harris You are incorrect. You don't control how you think or when you are thinking. I don't know how you understood what I said, but it's a simple fact backed by such rigorous proves as Gödel's incompleteness theorems. - Alexander Kruel

Brembs doesn't get that just by adding complexity and uncertainty you do not verify freedom :-( - Alexander Kruel

As I said above (nobody replied), endogenous processes generating behavioral variability and thus non-linearity are working-definitions. This has nothing to do with the overall physical reality of causal chains. At no point the freedom of a system, in itself or from the environment in which it is embedded, can be derived from any conclusion that was attained in reference to that... more... - Alexander Kruel

I might have to clarify what exactly I mean by 'working definitions'. Every system and its boundaries are arbitrary or biased definitions. You can extent the variables of any open system beyond its defined boundaries. Thus it is just unreasonable to talk about freedom in open systems. Endogenous actions are ultimately depend on outside factors. And talking about the freedom of a closed... more... - Alexander Kruel

Christopher: I don't know how to discuss that difference if by "genuine" free will you mean a dualistic, magical power endowed to the souls of men by God Almighty. Like Bjorn said, no scientist would argue for the kind of dualistic, supracausal free will you and Alex seem to be refering to. If however you're asking about the subjective difference between a person with free will and a... more... - Christopher Harris

As regards abulia, free-will is merely the ability to initiate a behavior? Free-will is that which exist in agents who aren't suffering from particular sorts of DDM? - Christopher A Carr

Aboulia is characterized by a lack of will, not a lack of free will. And it is not an ability to 'initiate' action. This would imply that you perceive your ability to 'initiate' action but not the initiative itself, which would mean that your thoughts are perceived as non-actions. That's where the free in free will collides with reality. We do not perceive freedom of choice, we think about options on an intellectual level and confuse ability with possiblity. - Alexander Kruel

Christopher: Something like that. Patrick Haggardd writes an excellent review of the distinct brain systems that mediate volontary and non-volontary behaviour http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed... and then there's the controlled variability, the adaptivity, the intentionality and the relative independence from environmental stimuli. - Christopher Harris

What is it that does possess free will then, the entity or the 'distinct brain systems that mediate volontary and non-volontary behaviour'? That's exactly the point, relative independence from the environment is as good as no independence when it comes to freedom. It ignores the fact that we are part of the environment, an environment that includes other supposedly free agents that are... more... - Alexander Kruel

Alex: no one here argues for a free will that implies that things 'could have been otherwise' or that the causal chain stretching back to the Big Bang can be subverted. the claim here is simply that the processes by which the brain makes different decisions in the same situation can be thought of as free will. - Christopher Harris

Making different decisions in similar situations is the difference between 'mechanical' and intelligent systems. It is the difference between static systems and the flexibility of adaptive systems due to feedback and learning that allows for situational variability. I argue that it is not reasonable to use free will to describe anything physical as long as you are not willing to... more... - Alexander Kruel

Given that the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics is a valid interpretation of reality, I don't think the idea of choice has been completely ruled out. The equations really do allow other events than what have already occurred. But I also realize this doesn't necessarily require free-will either. - Victor Ganata

"This universe is constantly splitting into a stupendous number of branches, all resulting from the measurementlike interactions between its myriads of components. Moreover, every quantum transition taking place on every star, in every galaxy, in every corner of the universe is splitting our local world into myriads of copies of itself." (Bryce De Witt, 1970) - Alexander Kruel

Even if that was the case. "Doing everything", or a Permutation City approach, does not account for free will. Although I guess we'll be a bit closer to something you could call freedom... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Alexander Kruel

@cristophder carr; if we grant for a moment that it is not possible to distinguish between a system with 'genuine' free will and a deterministic system whose future states can not be predicted/calculated short of running the system, why is making the difference important? If suppose that subjectively we cannot conclude either way, that is no proof in support of wither way too. So that... more... - Sandeep Gautam

@Alexender human or animal agents that are believed to have free will are not closed systems. all living beings are open systems and thus by your own admission can be free and have free will. Free will is important when thinking about agents and living things and a whole theory of mind or folk psychology module that is different from mechansistic or folk physics module has evolved in... more... - Sandeep Gautam

"Maybe the sum total of universe is not free or has a free will or a will at all; but a single organism (an open system) definetly has will, moreover will that is not tightly constrained, but relatively free and endowing with choice and control." +++ Sandeep Gautam This is a closer explication of what can be stated from other disciplines, if you will, couched in terms other than scientific ones, yet saying the same thing. In these areas it takes cross-discipline understanding, - Melanie Reed

For example take Sandeep's first posit: "Maybe the sum total of universe is not free or has a free will or a will at all;" keeping in mind the following statement allows for the exception to it "..but a single organism (an open system) definetly has will,.." This is exactly what this statement is referring to: "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose [will] that prevails." Proverbs 19:21 It allows for what Sandeep's possiblity has hit upon: a lesser will within a larger context. - Melanie Reed

@Sandeep Gautam: Huh? When have I said that? I said it doesn't matter, either way there is no free will. - Alexander Kruel

Is there no concept that a greater will can set up deterministic systems (for safety purposes) that allow for the fluidity of lesser free wills in which to act? - Melanie Reed

You're not going to get a hearing here for your "Yahweh did it" hypothesis, Melanie. - Christopher A Carr

Then with all due respect to you Christopher, you're not being very scientific. You cannot disprove it and so you must allow for it. There is a danger in not allowing for thinking and possibilities that are beyond our measure of intelligence. We will go round in circles or continue to arrive at imperfect destinations. A good scientist listens and is open to possibilities. - Melanie Reed

@Melanie Reed: Sandeep Gautam already made that point, sadly it's false. Read up on falsifiability and Occam's razor. Maybe some Wittgenstein would be good too. - Alexander Kruel

To take the analogy with open systems further, everyone knows the second law of thermodynamics that the entropy increases as time flies theorem; but that is applicable to closed systems. One cannot argue that open systems like living beings would not exist that sort of defy the entropy principle (move towards more organization) as long as they live. Living beings , that are open... more... - Sandeep Gautam

"You cannot disprove it and so you must allow for it." That is not at all correct. I can't disprove that free-will derives from an invisible pixie dust-farting homunculus in my head. Supernatural explanations are methodologically excluded... - Christopher A Carr

Alex: In Melanie's case, entertaining contrary beliefs is a slippery slope to a firey pit. ...it's the genius of the memeplex. - Christopher A Carr

@xixidiu @cristopher that is what Melaine is saying that if you cannot prove it , allow it; that is not my position. My position is that given two non-falsifiable/non-provable alternatives, believe in one that is good for everyone. - Sandeep Gautam

One can't (at least I can't) simply choose to believe the more implausible of two explanations. - Christopher A Carr

@crsitopher you are on slippery grounds here...to most of people free will is intuitive and not implausible...of course intuitiveness and folk concepts doesn't count as scientific proof,; but it is pertinent to what is plausible to believe and what is not. - Sandeep Gautam

At any rate, Christopher H's definition of free-will just sounds like "intelligence" to me. I continue to fail to see what's useful about employing a term with so much philosophical baggage. @Sandeep From whence derives this "freedom?" I can't figure that out, hence it seems implausible. - Christopher A Carr

No Christopher. I started not believing. I simply arrived (and I did not get there by one dull and morbid route) at the discovery that there was no other alternative. "I continue to fail to see what's useful about employing a term with so much philosophical baggage", Because Christopher, you are more than what you think you are. Connect the dots. They are there. - Melanie Reed

well freedom from immediate environmental influences or past learning history. room for behavior variability (bot operant behavior and conditioned behavior) - Sandeep Gautam

All interpretations of quantum mechanics describe an indeterministic universe, though. Again, this doesn't prove free-will, but arguing for a deterministic universe defies our current understanding of reality. - Victor Ganata

Victor: You aren't suggesting that the brain taps into that foundational indeterminacy via quantum computing in the microtubules? :-) - Christopher A Carr

Melanie: You're the only one here who is trying to talk about Jesus. And just making vague assertions ("you are more than what you think you are"..."connect the dots...they are there") is not even remotely persuasive. - Christopher A Carr

Christopher: heh, I'll leave that to a certain renowned physicist to argue. But once you remove determinism from the discussion, I think it does become useful to examine the phenomenon of free-will. Sure, it's not the same thing as what we intuit free-will to be, and it doesn't meet the classical philosophical definitions, but there's still something there to study. - Victor Ganata

Christopher, I wasn't hoping that you would make the connection today. ;) First, the anger must go. But I think one day you will. And on that day, the click of machinery will be one of relief. - Melanie Reed

Victor: I can think of one renowned physicist/cosmologist who argues persuasively against the possibility, or perhaps that's what you meant. - Christopher A Carr

Melanie: People with agendas as constant as yours are not pleasant people to interact with, particularly when the agenda is to infect others with a memeplex as nasty as Christianity. You might as well be chasing me around with a syringe full of smallpox. - Christopher A Carr

Melanie: What do you think I'm angry at? - Christopher A Carr

I think the term "free-will" is nothing more than short-hand for an ill-defined phenomenon that we all have some vague intuition about, but which appears distinct from sentience, and perhaps even from consciousness. I think it's unnecessarily confusing to just fold it into other neurological phenomenon. As Christopher H points out, the phenomenon of volition is something that has... more... - Victor Ganata

And what of the evidence for the preparation of decisions prior to one becoming conscious of the decision? - Christopher A Carr

@Christopher yea this new free will isn't necessarily conscious, big change from the traditional version - Christopher Harris

@cristopher I concur, the new free will need not be conscious; it can , and most probably is to a large extent unconscious. - Sandeep Gautam

Christopher, I have no agenda where you (or anyone else) are/is concerned that is in the least bit as violent as your metaphor proposes. :) Quite the opposite. It is and will always be your choice to act upon it or not. I am not a virus nor is what I am telling you a virus or memplex. Indeed, if you want to pursue that thinking, you might as well turn it around and ask yourself if... more... - Melanie Reed

Melanie: Pascal's wager is bullshit. - Christopher A Carr

Consciousness seems to me a necessary condition. Without it, what does the "free" mean in "free-will?" - Christopher A Carr

I don't think the evidence that some decisions are made before your consciousness perceives them necessarily precludes free-will, though. I'd like to see them test other scenarios other than just giving a volunteer an instruction, and watching how the brain processes that instruction. - Victor Ganata

If we're thinking of the same study, it just shows that there's a lot of unconscious activity when an instruction from another person gets processed by your brain. There's no indication that the consciousness can or can't override the unconscious activity. That leaves room for another experiment. - Victor Ganata

@christopher I have already answered that. freedom from immediacy. freedom from histrory - Sandeep Gautam

After all, it at least appears we can temporarily override certain otherwise involuntary functions of the body. - Victor Ganata

Would a p-zombie have free will? - Christopher A Carr

yes, if it (p-zombie) was acting as an agent showing behavioral flexibility and variability, our minds would model it as an agent and grant it free will . It might not be conscious but is both willful and without being sentient free in the sense that its unconscious could still have chosen otherwise - Sandeep Gautam

Sandeep: Wait, one's theory of mind bequeaths to other ostensible agents free-will? - Christopher A Carr

to elaborate on p-zombie, supposing that intoxication (inhaling alcohol) makes you a p-zombie momentarily, you would still be held accountable in thtis real world as the prior decision to take alcohol was perhaps mistaken and lead to the outcome. To use analogy of Jon Haidt, if you train your unconscious (elephant) incorrectly your conscious (the rider/trainer / mahout) is also equally... more... - Sandeep Gautam

People on a black-out drunk have free-will? - Christopher A Carr

not on a black out, but supposing that their conscious is overtaken by unconscious and they cannot remember what they are doing, law and I would still hold them accountable and having free will (as they had freely decided to enter into that state) - Sandeep Gautam

Legality is a separate issue. - Christopher A Carr

to take further the case of drunkenness, a drunken person does not just react, he/.she acts by loosening of inhibitions, free rein of impulses ..and acts freely - Sandeep Gautam

Impulsivity is an increase in free-will? - Christopher A Carr

I guess free will has two parts...impulsivity contributes to freeness...freedom from history or immediacy...wilfulnness comes from ability to keep impulsivity in check. - Sandeep Gautam

ok to better rephrase it ...impulsivity - freedom from immediacy....impluses not driven by stimulus necessarily; willfulness - freedom from history- actions not governed by past operant rewards necessarily. - Sandeep Gautam

Regarding "could have," does Google Voice's speech-to-text algorithm have free-will? ...well, I guess Google Voice uses lots of statistical analysis. Suppose you have a speech-to-text algorithm that attempts to assign phonemes to acoustic data segments. If a section is ambiguous between a /p/ and a /b/, and the algorithm assigns /b/, do we say it "could have" assigned /p/? - Christopher A Carr

"could have" is not my position. counterfactuls do not prove the point of free will in my opinion. I think more of given the same conditions different responses at different times that are goal-directed, spontaneous, exhibit choice of form and timing and procedure; google algo doesn't choose when to substitute /ba/ as /pa/; whether to substitue or not and if so when to substitute and why? It doesn't pass the volition test - Sandeep Gautam

Christopher: Your last emphatic vulgarism answered your own question about anger. I may persuade with my arguments. I may plead with my heart. But getting angry undermines your stand. What is left is that marvel for something that to many appears a standard of intelligence and perception to which they must attain. You want the answer couched only in the terms which you have defined. Your stance would lock out the very thing you claim to pursue. Even Richard Feynman didn't do that. - Melanie Reed

Sandeep: I'm hearing something like Ben Goertzel's definition of intelligence. Is free-will necessary to effect "..the ability to achieve complex goals in complex environments?" - Christopher A Carr

Melanie: Feynman also thought that Pascal's Wager was bullshit. - Christopher A Carr

to take the google voice algo example further, if the algo had hidden urges that would spontaneously and in unambiguous situations too, tweak the translation so as to favor /ba/ over /da/ sometimes and /da/ over /ba/ other times, then I would grant it willfulness or some freedom (it is not constrained by the text, but can decide on its own to translate a given text to sound; if it... more... - Sandeep Gautam

We're talking sound-to-text here. Text-to-speech is becoming trivial, except for things like prosody. - Christopher A Carr

ok whatever, you get the idea... - Sandeep Gautam

basically if after hearing ba correctly, if google algo still mischeveiously decidedtro code it as p or d, I owuld grant it some freedom. - Sandeep Gautam

Melanie: "I may plead with my heart." You would be better off pleading with your information processing organ. - Christopher A Carr

actually our folk notions may be appropriate here...we do attribute intentionality to products like google voice when they consistently f**k up in a particular way...we say what an idiot that application is and grant it sort of agency and purpose. - Sandeep Gautam

Sandeep: Indeed. Humans suffer from hyperactive agency detection, Melanie being a case in point. :-) - Christopher A Carr

Christopher: You're right. I am a very poor example of a robot. I am to the depth, to the last, human. - Melanie Reed

Melanie: High levels of rationality do not make one a "robot," in the sense of the word you're using. - Christopher A Carr

Ben's definition of intelligence (on a cursory read) to me seems wide ranging ...his 'task independent pragmatic understanding of itself and the world' borders on sentience, so not surprised if he takes volition also in its stride. BTW, its 3 am in morning india, time to signoff. will continue discussion tomorrow:-) - Sandeep Gautam

Been lovely conversing with you Sandeep. Good evening. - Christopher A Carr

my pleasure too! - Sandeep Gautam

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The 9 worst tech movies of all time~ Weird Science? - http://www.cnn.com/2009...

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1. Antitrust (2001) 2. Feardotcom (2002) 3. Hackers (1995) 4. Independence Day (1996) 5. Johnny Mnemonic (1995) 6. The Lawnmower Man (1992) 7. The Net (1995) 8. Swordfish (2001) 9. Weird Science (1985) - Shevonne from Bookmarklet

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Best comment, regarding THE NET: "If you don't want your parents or grandparents on the Web, have them watch this movie and they'll be terrified," - Steven Perez

Hackers!!!!????? - Kenton

THE NET is pretty much the worst movie about the internet ever. But for sheer cheesetasticness, that scene in JURASSIC PARK where the girl navigates around a "UNIX" system by flying around a digital city of blocks really had me on the floor and gasping for air. - Steven Perez from IM

Independence Day isn't a 'tech movie', but it does have one of the worst tech-related scenes in it. - Michael R. Bernstein

However, here are a few additions you should consider: Lawnmower Man 2, Cherry 3000, Firewall. - Michael R. Bernstein

Johnny Mnemonic wasn't the greatest of movies in general, but it shouldn't be on this worst list. - jcunwired

Re: Independence Day -- what, they didn't like the virus with the skull and crossbones? - Brian Chang

I stopped reading at "bad movies, bad tech" and saw Antitrust at the top of the list. The movie may not have been great, but it had some good tech in it. Promoting Linux and even used a handspring palm device (<3). As for Jurassic Park, as lame as it was, I stumbled across a project around 1996-97 that had been trying to do something like that and in homage to William Gibson's concept of Cyberspace. I forgot what the project was called but I doubt it worked out. But still! - Arlan Koizumi

Arlan, there were a lot of VRML projects in 96-97. - Michael R. Bernstein

And incidentally, Jurassic Park was using an *actual* program called FSN: http://www.siliconbunny.com/fsn-the... - Michael R. Bernstein

Johnny Mnemonic was a William Gibson short story. Just goes to show, Hollywood can ruin anything. - Victor Ganata

Michael: I only saw one (didn't have search skills), it's good to know there were more! But, did they all die? :( And yeah, William Gibson was disappointed with how Johnny Mnemonic ended up. I'm ashamed to admit this, but I bought New Rose Hotel. :( Don't do it. - Arlan Koizumi

I liked the Hackers soundtrack - Andrew Leyden

Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Robert Scoble didn't make FriendFeed. FriendFeed was already here. People were using it. Scoble showed up and brought thousands of his minions. They clogged up the feed for a few months. Some of them weren't total Scobleites and stuck around. The rest bounced when he did.

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To hear people talk about FriendFeed's high point being related to Scoble really bothers me. I think R. Scoble is a cool dude, but he isn't and wasn't the God of FriendFeed by any useful measure in my book. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

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Plus, I think I've had more meaningful discussion and engagement from his brother here. :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Totally agree. - Mathew™ one of a kind

I also think it's important to note that I don't think Scoble ever claimed to 'make' FriendFeed himself. That idea was placed on him by others that did not understand his evangalism. I like Robert, don't always agree with him, but I like him and what he did for FriendFeed :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

But, ever since he pretty much declared Friendfeed dead he has been saying that since he "left" friendfeed has gone down hill. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Mathew, people left before Scoble made that statement. It was at least a month inbetween the sale and that post. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Thanks Rah! I do understand Scoble's (apparent) complaint, though: the alpha-geeks and uber-nerds (and people that orbit around them) that **he** follows -- because he's a tech blogger/media person and that's how he makes a living -- aren't participating here as much, nor are the founders, who also happen to be part of that alpha-geek set, participating here as much as they once did, if at all. - .LAG liked that

Johnny I realize that, but I'm trying to say that the way he acts makes it seem like he thinks he put the nail in the non-existent coffin of Friendfeed. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Mathew, I am willing to give Robert the benefit of the doubt on this one. 140 characters is a difficult medium to explain oneself. He calls it as he sees it, he may not be seeing much past his own nose, but he makes statements and reacts to the reaction. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

i dont know why he just doesnt make a discussion board for himself and getting all his fans join that.. solve his problem then... - Terry O'Fee

Wait. You mean Scoble didn't invent Friendfeed? Doesn't the fact that he invented the Internet mean, by extension, that Friendfeed exists because of him? :) - Curtiss Grymala

Agreed Johnny. I'm not really blaming Scoble, it's comments from others that get on my nerves. I should have clarified that initially. I can't say that he's ever called himself the master of FriendFeed or anything.... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

I guess for me it is just his actions as they appear through the tubes. - Mathew™ one of a kind

...haha! no, silly, he didn't invent Friendfeed, but as with many things, some people have a great talent for popularizing stuff and launching trends. In the Silicon Valley tech world, Scoble has a huge audience and some level of influence, and he certainly brought a lot more attention to Friendfeed than it was generating on its own. I guess the question is: can he take away just as much attention by pronouncing its last rites? Rahsheen doesn't seem to think so. - .LAG liked that

Not wanting to be a Scoble lover but I have come to realise that Robert isn't a normal user. His job and personality drive him to be where the biggest audience is. He promotes his sponsors and discovers small things and tries to promote them. He has to be cut throat because he is pitching to a cut throat audience of early adopters and techies. The key is not to take it personally, because it's not about users, it's about new, popular and promotions. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

With Scoble gone, I think FF is back where it was before he came. For many users who have stuck around, nothing has changed. For some, they're feed is less cluttered from Scoble's huge following. No, he can't kill FF by pronouncing it dead. Let's say I frequent a bar and some celeb brings his entourage. The bar will probably make a lot of money that night, possibly get some publicity or something, but when he leaves...it's business as usual. Doesn't really matter if he liked the drinks or not. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Johnny W... well-said. For me, it just makes me realize how strange the world of "technology media" really is. On the one hand, Scoble is a sort of journalist, and if that's true then it would be reasonable to expect complete objectivity on his part: when he says something perhaps it should be fact-based and not an opinion. But on the other hand he, and the Techcrunches, ad infinitums... more... - .LAG liked that

I agree. I like Robert Scoble, and I actually find his comments here and on other sites to be far less self-absorbed than some others I could name (but won't.) I didn't come here because of Robert Scoble or any other individual, so I won't be leaving on that basis either. - Mark "DerBingle" J

Rahsheen... I like the bar/celebrity analogy. Also, similar to Mark DBJ, I actually enjoy Scoble's contributions to the techmediascape, and I have no problem with him speaking his mind, but his participation (or not) never affected what I'm doing here, what I will do here, or even how I found FF in the first place. - .LAG liked that

To be fair, Robert was following people away from FriendFeed, not leading them. - Bruce Lewis

Exactly, .LAG! I like to see him around and usually read/listen to what he says, but I'm not one of his sheep. He has quite a few of those and I wonder how he feels about that :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

I think Robert's ego often gets in the way of any value he provides. I know he's usually creating controversy to link bait, but his vanity tries my patience more often than not. - Mark Davidson

:-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

LOL, Using vitriol for a good cause ==> http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Eric Logan

<- Not a 'Scobleite', unless it's an AlexScobleite, he's an ok guy. - Will Higgins™

Robert is so "mignon" ;-)))) - Desirade

Bruce is the most right on this thread. Since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've gotten 14,000 new followers on Twitter. That alone would put me at #6 on FriendFeed's user list, which is a great demonstration of why I'm investing a lot more of my time on Twitter now. FriendFeed is fun for a small group of people and that's OK. But I am spending my time where the geeks are and that's mostly on Twitter or Facebook (which I'm ramping up time on too). - Robert Scoble

Many of those who have been paying attention do share one observation about why people have migrated to Twitter: it's so we can post links to drive traffic back to our own sites or employer's sites. This, I continue to advance, is because neither FF or FB or anyone else has yet got it through their thick skulls that WE ARE THE CONTENT ... or, if they do understand that basic fact,... more... - michael silverton

michael: good point! The real problem here is that conversations that are interesting to each of us are buried amongst conversations that really aren't. - Robert Scoble

Clearly, your usage of social media is going to vary significantly if you're not actually trying to sell anything. - Victor Ganata

Good point, Victor. Many people just want to chat, have fun, maybe meet someone or learn something new. Yet, even in those cases, I'm of the mind that we're all selling something: our thoughts, our perspectives, our ideas, our sincerity. However, one need not share this perspective to see that you and I and Rah and everyone here create the value of sites like FB and FF. It's the... more... - michael silverton

Robert: as so often, you nail it. Mozilla Raindrop? :-) - michael silverton

*shrug* I also don't expect to make money off of everything I do. (If I did, I certainly wouldn't be in the field I'm in.) - Victor Ganata

APARTMENT TO SHARE - I WILL LIVE IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA, AND YOU WILL USE THE BEDROOM... AFTER SOME MONTHS, YOU WILL HAVE SAVED SOME EXTRA MONEY THAT YOU DID NOT WASTE IN RENT EXPENSES. This is the funniest Craigslist ad for a roommate ever. Highlights from "what I demand from you" below. - http://tallahassee.craigslist.org/roo...

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NO PETS ALLOWED! NO DRINKING. NO SMOKING. - Lo from Bookmarklet

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NO PROBLEMS OF ANY SORT. (probably my favorite part) - Lo

NO FRIENDS COMING TO BOTHER, MAKE NOISE, AND/OR DISTURB. - Lo

NO BOYFRIEND/GIRLFRIEND STAYING OVERNIGHT OR MOMENTARILY. (I love the "or momentarily.") - Lo

WE HAVE TO DEFEND THIS PLACE LIKE OUR OWN HOME AND OUR BELONGINGS LIKE THEY ARE THE LAST THING WE HAVE. ONE OF THE NEGATIVE SIDES OF SHARING SPACE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING STOLEN - Lo

REMEMBER, YOU AND I MAY BECOME FRIENDS EVENTUALLY, BUT THIS IS BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO RESPECT MY SIDE AND I HAVE TO RESPECT YOURS. - Lo

He wraps up by explaining that if you choose to take this amazing opportunity, he's willing to share his vast knowledge that will improve your life & teach you Spanish. And also offers to help you with any problems, which seems a bit odd given that all problems were forbidden in all caps earlier in the post. It's really cheap, but no. - Lo

Oooh, Spanish! All over it! NOT!!! Actually I lived in a situation similar to that where my roommate had the living room and I had the bedroom in a 1 bedroom apartment. Only thing is the place was 1 block away from the beach in Santa Monica, and he was like super mellow hesher metal dude and we got along famously. He was a bit on the dirty side but it was all good. Met Anika in that place too. :D - Adrian

Ooh, I love when a story has an unexpected happy ending! - Lo

I have flagged for "best of craigslist" - Brian Johns

Good idea, Brian, I did too. - Lo

Johnny Worthington

[INSERT PROFOUND STATEMENT HERE]

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That is so DEEP! You've completely changed the way I think about [ABSTRACT ISSUE]! - josh neff, geek at large

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[INSERT SYCOPHANTIC DROOLING RESPONSE HERE] - Jeremy (cropmarks)

[INSERT COMMENT THAT HAS 85% CHANCE OF KILLING THREAD STONE DEAD HERE] - Mark H

Hey - that's my job! - Jeremy (cropmarks)

I'm not able to insert anything between any of the square brackets :( - Eivind

That's what she said? - Johnny Worthington

I KNOW, hence the sad face. - Eivind

Damnit! - Jordi Soler

[GENERAL DISAGREEMENT] - Morgan Haley

[INSERT REMARK GUARANTEED TO GENERATE LOL @MIKE] - Mike Nencetti

[INSERT FAWNING ADORATION OF J. WORTHINGTON AND HEATED CONDEMNATION OF DISAGREEMENT HERE] - Bette Cooper

[INSERT A 1UP OR +++ FOR CLEVER PERSON I LIKED IN THE COMMENTS] - aden

[MORGAN IS CUTE AND A VERY GOOD KISSER] - Morgan Haley

[pedantic nitpicking of word that appears minor but in my mind markedly affects the meaning of the post] - Andrew C

[INSERT THREAD HIJACKING CLAIM @MORGAN HERE, FOR TRYING TO DETRACT FROM THE WISDOM OF THE JOHNNY] - Bette Cooper

[INSERT PROFANE STATEMENT HERE] - Laura Lou Who

LOL@LB - Jeremy (cropmarks)

I find this to be [SNARKY PUN] LOL - Glen Mistletoe

[ACRONYM TO SHOW I AM LAUGHING...OUT LOUD] - Josh Haley

I can't fit ......... - VAL D. Zone

[INSERT MESSAGE EXPRESSING LOVE FOR ALL THREAD PARTICIPANTS] - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

[INSERT ONOMATOPOEIA EXPRESSING TENDER EMOTIONS] - Eivind

[INSERT EMPTY INSINCERE APOLOGY FOR HIJACK ATTEMPT HERE] - Morgan Haley

[INSERT FOOT IN MOUTH. PROCEED TO SUCK TOES INAPPROPRIATELY] - Morgan Haley

[INSERT STATEMENT ON CONDITION OF FEET] [INSERT EDIT] [INSERT APOLOGIES FOR POSTING TO THE WRONG THREAD] - Glen Mistletoe

CAPS ARE FUN - Caroline from iPhone

[INSERT PENIS INTO SHEEP'S BUTT] oops, wrong thread.... - Morgan Haley

[INSERT TAB A INTO SLOT B] - josh neff, geek at large

that trick never works! - Morgan Haley

[MORGAN IS SINGLE, HETEROSEXUAL AND CAN TOUCH HIS NOSE WITH HIS TONGUE] - Morgan Haley

[INSERT COMPLIMENT OF JOHNNY HERE "Johnny Rocks Like A Hair Band on Speed!"] - Morgan Haley

[insert small lettered compliment of Jeremy's use of the word 'Sycophantic'] - Morgan Haley

lawl@morgan X 3 - Jeremy (cropmarks)

[INSERT EXPRESSION OF SHOCK AT DIRECTION THREAD HAS TAKEN HERE with appropriate emoticon] - Bette Cooper

X+1 - Mo Kargas

[ADD QUAINT COLLOQUIALISM HERE] - Joe Pierce

Word. - Mark "DerBingle" J

[RETURNS THREAD TO IT'S ORIGINS - COMPLIMENTARY STATEMENT REGARDING JOHNNY HERE] - Morgan Haley

[MAKES REMARK ABOUT PARLEY P. PRATT AND SOMEHOW WORKS IN REFERENCE TO LEGO] - Joe Silence is not dead

Mary Carmen

My eyes shouldn't be allowed to roll this much.

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Steven Perez

Why, thank you, little car. I needed another expense right now.

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Boo! : ( - Jezmynne Dene

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:( - Michelle Martinez

*beats up car* oh, that didn't help :-/ - Anna Haro

Boooo... I hope it's not too much of a Brit-reference to say that I'm picturing John Cleese beating your car with a bit of tree... - Andrew Terry

Shevonne

Love Letter to My Slow Cooker - http://dcfemella.com/blog...

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Dear Slow Cooker, I don’t know why it took me so long to understand how wonderful you are. You have helped me save money, time, and lose weight. This project I’m on is tiring, and I now don’t have any excuses to head to a restaurant 5 days a week because I am too tired [...] - Shevonne

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I want a man with a slow cooker, I want a lover that is easy to clean - RAPatton from iPhone

I'm a big fan of mine, but I wish I could find a cookbook with recipes for smaller serving sizes. My crock pot is only 4qt. - cecily

Not Your Mother's Slow Cooker Cookbook has a version for cooking for 2 - Alex Scoble

Alex have you used that NYMSC cookbook? I've been thinking about getting it. - Andrizzle Gizzle

Not yet...been too busy with the wedding stuff. - Alex Scoble

Andrizzle: I have NYMSC cookbook and it is awesome. I've only made 3 or 4 of the recipes but they all appear good and easy! - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF

I LOVE my slow cooker! Using it as I type for dinner tonight! - Paulette Garcia Morris

I'll have to check out the NYMSC cookbook. @Paulette What are you making? I'm making lasagna! - Shevonne

Just a regular roast but it's never made a bad one. Lasagna? I need to find a recipe for that in the cooker. I need to branch out! - Paulette Garcia Morris

This is the one I'm using: http://www.bettycrocker.com/recipes... - Shevonne

I have chicken stew from last night re-heating in the crock pot right now.. I really need to use it more in the next semester because we ate junk too often. - Andrizzle Gizzle

Which is the best? Our old cheap one keeps the heat to hot so I don't want that again. I was thinking of: http://www.amazon.com/Hamilto... - Todd Hoff

Amazon has a free download of the NYMSC for entertaining today. See: http://freebies4mom.blogspot.com/2009... - Michelle Martinez

I have the one pictured above, but my brother has the one where you can use it on the stove top, if I bought a new one that is what I would get. You can cook ground beef and stuff and not have to use 2 pants. - Andrizzle Gizzle

@Michelle Thanks! Downloading it now. - Shevonne

Thanks for the links - I will branch out yet! :-D - Paulette Garcia Morris

Colour me whatever you want, but when I list the books, I see the free kindle book - but when I click on the link it says 2$. - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF

Andrea, Have you seen this one? http://friendfeed.com/foods... WANT! - Michelle Martinez

@Nathalie Really? I just downloaded it for free. - Shevonne

I also just downloaded it for free - Andrizzle Gizzle

wow Michelle that is nice! - Andrizzle Gizzle

I wonder if it's because Nathalie is in Canada? - Rochelle

I think it is. *grumble* - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF

Nathalie - do you have the Kindle for PC or the real Kindle? I think you might need it before download. - Paulette Garcia Morris

Big up to the crockpot! - Nicholas Kreidberg

I have a Pulled Pork Recipe .. if you want ,,, - johnpiercy

I do - thanks! - Paulette Garcia Morris

http://friendfeed.com/johnpie... - johnpiercy

Oooh... thanks for the tip, Alex! - cecily

Anyone know a good site for slow cooker recipes? - Bryan Lee

Nevermind the first result on google looks fairly promising http://www.slowandsimple.com - Bryan Lee

ha3rvey, not a sweetheart

I'm in ur data center, messin' wif yo wires.

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*smacks at Ha3rvey wif a broom* Get outta there! - Laura Lou Who

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80's music >> Pop music. Unless it's 80's Pop Music.

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<3 - Shevonne

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:) - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I heard a song this morning, that started off like Whodini. Then some chick started singing over it, ruining it. I'm going to assume it was this Lady Gaga person I've seen people talk about. - Admiral Anika

lol that sucks - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I was all ready to start popping and locking too! - Admiral Anika

COSIGN!! - Cheryl

Shevonne

Humans Brought Monkeys to St. Kitts and Inadvertently Turned Them Into Alcoholics (Video) - http://www.treehugger.com/files...

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We are such bad influences - Shevonne

Mathew™ one of a kind

Just found out that a person who contact me to do some Photoshop work found me through Google. Didn't find my website, just my name & email.

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How'd that work? - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

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She told me that she just Googled for a freelance designer in Louisville and I came up. I told her it must be all that social networking I do. lol! Great thing is, it could lead to a lot more work then just this one job. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Hey, that's sweet! Now that you have a social media success story, you can write a book and rake in the bucks between PS gigs :-D - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ from iPhone

Dude! Your right! I'm set now! - Mathew™ one of a kind

Shevonne

Good First Date Outfit? - http://www.refinery29.com/the_goo...

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After reading that article about how different men and women tastes are, I want to know...is this a good first date outfit for winter time? - Shevonne from Bookmarklet

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I would never wear it, but I'm sure there's someone who'd like it. The blue jacket is okay. - Admiral Anika

I wouldn't wear it, either, but I'm not exactly known for my fashion sense. - Michelle Martinez

Now that I've seen the rest of the outfits on the site, this one isn't that ugly any more. It's still unattractive (to me; too badly done 80s throwback) and high-maintainence (that medal? really?) but like I said, someone will like it. - Admiral Anika

Gloves and medal are a bit much. - Amber, Random Time Lord

The gloves...No. It's like 30 degrees outside, so I want to wear something that will keep me warm. Will be wearing a coat though. How about something like this outfit? http://www.forever21.com/images... - Shevonne

I'd wear #4 (with less-clunky shoes) but none of the rest of them, but then that's just me. http://www.refinery29.com/pipelin... - Amy

Or this: http://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse... - Shevonne

@Amy I like that outfit, but I could go with another shirt. - Shevonne

I like the Banana Republic one. Especially the boots. - Michelle Martinez

Think your date won't be upset either way. - Amber, Random Time Lord

@Michelle That's what I'm thinking. And it goes with my red coat that looks like this: http://www1.macys.com/catalog... - Shevonne

Oooh, nice coat! :) - Amy

Thanks! My mom picked it out. She said that "It's better to stand out in the crowd" ;) Now I have a red coat and a lime-green one. haha - Shevonne

Love the coat! - Michelle Martinez

=) - Shevonne

I'm with Michelle on the boots in that BR pic. - Admiral Anika

It is, but only if you want a second and third date with the same guy. It's very nice. - Morgan Haley

Ian May

Oh yes, it has to be the most overused word in business - "Urgent". Thing is one can cry wolf too often....

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I particularly enjoy my Outlook being laced with the red exclamation point all day long. - Miriella

Miriella, I don't use Outlook myself. So anyone putting that flag on emails they send me does nothing at all! - Ian May

Mary Carmen

Good morning, friends. One more day closer to vacation. It is so close I can feel it!

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O HAI PRETTY MARY! - Steven Perez

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good morning Mary........ - VAL D. Zone

Set controls for the heart of the fun! And good morning. - Pete

That smiling face is exactly what I needed to see right now. :) - josh neff, geek at large

Hi Mary! - joe is...

Hi, y'all. I hope you are having good days so far. - Mary Carmen

Hooray for vacation! - Michelle Martinez

@Pete: bad Pink Floyd puns FTW. - Joe Silence is not dead

Enjoy ur vacations! :) - अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das

woohoo!! Me too! Actually, I've been on vacation since the beginning of December, but I'll be actually GOING on vacation on Friday. Can't wait! - Chad McCoskey

vacations are the best! - Mary Carmen

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