Completely subjective... Dave might also think you talk too much at happy hour... other people not so much. You can't please everyone so F*** it and just be yourself.
- Brian Roy
Since I don't read all FriendFeed entries, there's no such thing as "too much" - unless one person is completely dominating my feed, which is unlikely since I'm following a few hundred people.
- Ontario Emperor
There's a right amount? I guess it depends on how many people you're following. I am following close to 400 I think and your posts don't drown other people out... If I were only following you maybe it would seem like you posted "too much"... Everyone has a different tolerance, I think.
- Lindsay
There is no too much and there is no not enough. One man's noise is another woman's community. ;) Or something...
- Erin @queenofspain
Robert, you certainly seem active but certainly nowhere near too much. I make plenty of good discoveries through your Likes. Don't stop.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
The right amount is apparently the amount Dave can follow in the time he's allotted.
- Ken Sheppardson
Dosent bother me either. You don't boycot the newspaper becuase its got too many pages to it. You buy it cause you know thers gonna be some useful pieces of insight - i rarely read every article in my Sunday Times, but I always will find a few really intersting articles in there.
- Roberto Bonini
"Don't let the [cyber] door hit you on the way out" :{>
- Andy Leonard
Robert, I just looked at your feed. Doesn't look like an overburdensome amount to me.
- Ontario Emperor
Frankly, Robert, you aren't doing enough. KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF US. :)
- Steven Perez
FriendFeed too much? No such thing. Too much for Winer? Completely subjective. (Yes! I left out the silly puns!)
- Rahsheen?
I found out that I would rather use FriendFeed as my capture, muse, and announce entry and let it echo to twitter rather than the other way around. Biggest reason is avoiding the SMS limit and having one RSS feed that captures all of my activity. I go to twitter from my phone, but I only accept directs there.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
That is the point... I want to miss about 98% of it. I just want to engage in conversations with people I find interesting. We act like this is somehow different than any other conversation venue...
- Brian Roy
Good 'ol Dave Winer really knows how to make friends and influence people. He blocked me on Twitter when he didn't like what I said in reply to him. Considering the source, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Keep it coming!
- Scott Maentz
I just had a small altercation with Dave as well -- maybe to quote Mona N "he had some bad oatmeal" ?
- Brian Sullivan
And you have pretty erratic habits, RS. By that I mean you will be off doing the Scobleizer thing and then get a few moments and "slam" FF with your time and focus. I'm guessing if there was some sort of chart for activity on FF to time, you're activities would be pretty spikey, but not more or less than most other "active" folks. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong ;)
- jamesdkirk
Dave just has it in for FF because his 140 character pearls of wisdom often don't stand up to the scrutiny that a conversation on FF surrounding the comment can sometimes provide.
- Aaron Krug
@Scott Maentz now, now, then, then - usually the truth lies somewhere in between ;-) This is part of the larger conversation around walled/open, access and influence vs. (what's the opposite of that?), etc. @Bria Roy reflects what we probably all do - "it does not matter until it becomes important" is the new "I'll know it when I see it" :D
- Valeria Maltoni
You are only allowed 12.370 posts per day according to posting.limits.on.friendfeed.makes.no.sense.com... :-)
- Seagate
Just taken a look at your feed and frankly don't think it's enough. You having an off day?
- Nicola Quinn
Nicola: I just got up! Give me a few more minutes! :-) Jamesdkirk: I'm spiky because I'm not always online. I do sleep and yesterday I was off doing interviews.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, I agree... it's a bit too much. When I'm on FriendFeed, it's several pages of Scoble before I see anything else.
- Mason Blake
@Scobleizer - "Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list."... exactly. Being unfollowed by someone who provides valuable content to a content powered site, regardless of quantity, is done simply by lack of understanding of the application.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Wilma: no, I don't need those. I do want to have conversations with smart people and Dave's one of the people I love having conversations with.
- Robert Scoble
the comments you are getting says it all, there can't be too much FFding!!
- Devakishor
scoble is a noise maker and evangelist by profession. njoy or leave him alone :)
- George Tziralis
The best thing about these tools is that they adapt to whatever each user wants - I'm not saying anything groundbreaking by saying that its up to each user to decide for themselves what role they want something like FriendFeed to play in their lives. I don't know why he didn't just file you into your own list and yank you out of his main stream
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I agree with Enrique, FriendFeeds lists allow you to create interesting subsets of your full follow cloud. Now if you could only add track terms to lists-- you might have something.
- Cliff Gerrish
Mason: funny, when I start FriendFeed I don't see any Scoble posts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
There is no such thing as too much. Grouping our connections is necessary to keep data and connections meaningful, actionable and manageable. I think folks are struggling with that piece, and will continue to until we find better aggregation techs/methods. FriendFeed is a step in the right direction... but hardly a silver bullet.
- Paul Daigle
Marco: that's the right way to handle someone who goes noisy. Just put them in their own little folder, er, list, and remove them from your main feed. Of course I do the opposite. I keep all the noisy people in my main feed and put all the high signal, low-noise people on my tech list.
- Robert Scoble
It is completely down to the individual what they think is too much, I wouldn't worry too much if someone unfollows you because of it.
- Richard
dave has personal issue of some kind, unless he can clarify his point by explaining in detail, it holds no substance.
- imran
Richard: am I worried? No. I just used it to start a conversation. 45 comments in 18 minutes. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
you cannot friendfeed too much. We don't have good filters to find what the 5% of your updates most relevant to me.
- Phil Wolff
from Alert Thingy
i just check and see whether there is any value being added to what i already know or want to know .. if none or insignificant, i unfollow as well..as a rule, i dont follow those recommends most of whom have little more than personal/insider twitts...i dont really care how famous/savvy/rich FFer is. i only care about his/her contents..that simple.
- Hayk
Phil: yeah, it's hard to know what in FriendFeed really will be interesting to us individually but I've found that a high percentage of the time my interests actually align with those of the crowd. Well, except when it comes to manboobs. I hid all those, even though they all started a ton of conversation and got lots of likes.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer - also easier to follow international stuff here vs. Twitter where it gets drowned. There's multi sensory info - images, comments, likes and you can see "communities of conversation" more easily (more 360).
- Valeria Maltoni
I like your activity on FriendFeed much more than Twitter. Twitter is a 10-20 time a day MAX activity... FF is a 20-200x a day system. I think that is how it will hash out.
- Jason Calacanis
I quite like it. I don't follow a huge amount of people so there is quite a lot of quiet time for me when you're busy doing other things. Gives me stuff to go back and look at in the mornings too as youre on a different time shift.
- Simon Wicks
Oh, he's just crabby. You are quite clear both on FF and Twitter that you're a very active user, so followers should caveat emptor and learn to deal.
- Sheila Scarborough
In regards to how do you can personally gauge what is 'too much' - this is something Ive been working on via http://TweepleTwak.com. Having visibility of spikes in "unfollows" has been helpful in identifying the causes within tweets. Still there is no perfect science :-)
- Josh
It would also be different if the content you post was uninteresting... Like Simon, I don't follow too many, so my feed is pretty under control.
- Victoria Plautia
Josh: I get lots of unfollows, but they usually are included with 10x as many follows. So, maybe pissing off some of your audience some of the time is a good thing?
- Robert Scoble
Following for me is more about volume and value. If there are too many low value posts, I'm going to unfollow. At the moment, you seem to have hit the right balance for me. True, lots of posts, but most are interesting.
- Chris Rogers
I tend to ignore Twitter for the same reasons. Too much noise and hard to get the context. Friendfeed is much better and usually the content is more valuable. Your content onFriendfeed is actually relatively informative. Keep posting.
- Jeremy Chone
There is no perfect amount and you'll never please everyone. I'm typically interested in what you post on FriendFeed and Twitter - I will say that I did prefer them to be separate. Since I follow you on both services - I don't necessarily want to see your FriendFeed items on Twitter.
- Kasey
Isn't Dave the one who always says "If you don't like what I say, just unfollow, but don't slam the door behind you?" hmmm
- Bill Kellogg
with all the filters that Friendfeed has, there is really no need to unfollow anybody
- Nikos Anagnostou
Bill: Dave didn't say anything. I noticed he unfollowed and I asked him why.
- Robert Scoble
There is no right or wrong amount as everyone has different tolerance levels!
- Joe Dawson
I'd like to see the top ff users make a list of the top tricks to use with ff to get it working the way you see best.
- Pete Barry
That's not an accurate quote -- I would never say that, and people, imho have a right to sign off or on at will. Joe Dawson gets it exactly right, you should keep doing what you want and don't worry about people who unfollow. I don't like it when people send a nastygram when they unfollow, and I also don't like to be called out when I unfollow.
- Dave Winer
Re Bill Kellogg, I hope he checks back here. People really pay attention to this stuff. You gotta be more careful with the quotes.(Just read the whole thread, what an embarassment.)
- Dave Winer
Dave, here's the quote: http://friendfeed.com/e... "I stopped following you for the same reason a lot of people stop following me -- you're so prolific! You're half the traffic I'd see on Twitter or FF. I was OD'ing on Scoble! I've already been Scobleized. It's time for other people to get the Treatment."
- Robert Scoble
Dave, oh, I see you're talking about the quote that Bill Kellogg attributed to you. Yeah, I've never seen you say that. As for my part in calling you out when you unfollowed me? I'm sorry, but I think that unfollowing behavior is interesting to study for a whole lot of reasons. This is a public social network and behavior here is fair game, seems to me. Maybe FriendFeed should have a feature where you can block people from seeing whether you are following them or not. Sort of an "invisible follower."
- Robert Scoble
And it was a legitimate question, but I do agree that too many of the commenters got snarky toward you personally and I'm sorry for that.
- Robert Scoble
I had some people unfollow me too for too much posting, honestly I'm not to bothered. Then again I Tweet everything I FF. @Scobleizer I don't think you should worry about too little or too much. You wouldn't be the source of information that you are if you didn't share it. Right?
- Daniel W. Crompton
Cool share, thanks! (have you seen Nutshell - similar idea (Orli told me about it here on FF)... creating my Fuser account now...thanks!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Last time that I used Fuser it was extremely slow (and without Twitter support) Maybe I should give them a second try.
- Orli Yakuel
Hi Orli! I'd like your feedback on Fuser
- Susan Beebe
Orli, thanks that was fast - awesome...reading now! Great post! Thanks for showing those cool screenshots - that Fuser Leaderboard feature is hawt!
- Susan Beebe
I like Fuser, glad they came and showed it to me.
- Robert Scoble
Cheers Susan...shame they have a rubbish site though eh Robert?
- Zee.
Looks neat, but it's unfortunate that we have yet another service that immediately asks you to trust them with all the passwords for your other services.
- Ken Sheppardson
So my only issue is that when working with social media tools like Flock, Fuser, and others, I need something where I can interact with a somewhat full list of components for each of the sites - status, comments, inbox, updates, photos, video...I have no use for an app where I only check my msgs from all sites. I end up having to login anyway to FB/MS to add the new content that matters and keeps things fresh and compelling....not just to check my inbox.
- Rich Harris
depends on what you're asking Roberto - they're up front about it, but I'd say with the crowd they're targeting I'm bound not to be the only one using Chrome
- Jan Dawson
Oh and guys, especially you hot shot Twitterers...(ahem... Scoble, Gray, Winer, Rubel), if you could tweet about this rather than re-share in friendfeed, that'd be awesome...it's the outside folks that need to read this mofo.
- Zee.
can someone flippin' get Scoble to share this thing. Scoble, if you're reading this. Can you? Yes it brings us traffic but it also helps people who haven't a clue how to get the ball rolling on friendfeed.
- Zee.
cheers for the support with this one guys - got great number of views and the same with the 1st one. Part 3 is gonna be my favorite...ways to use Friendfeed.
- Zee.
this is really great zee. grade-a piece!
- Cee Bee
Cheers Cee Bee - and thanks a million for the kind words on the post too
- Zee.
Even when these extreme discounts mean selling shoes for less than Zappos.com paid for them, it is better to recoup some cash than none, said Tony Hsieh, the company’s chief executive. The discounting is not just drastic, but is also occurring unusually early in the season. Kmart, a division of Sears Holding, initiated Black Friday prices on electronics — 40 to 50 percent off — on Nov. 2, nearly four weeks before the real Black Friday, the busy shopping day just after Thanksgiving that usually marks the beginning of the holiday buying season.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
It is about cashflow in this economy...product sitting in a warehouse is worse than anything in retail.
- Seagate
I can tell you first hand, currently 'living' in this retail world, it's changing DAILY and you best deal 'could' be in the store, rather than online.
- Charlie Anzman
Twitter has been up and down over the last hour so I thought this would be a good time to revisit the good 'ol Twitter Down Art Collection.
- Andrew Baron
from Bookmarklet
Agree... I always find myself clicking on nonexistent links to find more info.
- Juan Pablo González
I wonder about this also. I seem to get these spikes all the time and the views of the top viewed pix don't seem to correspond with the spike.
- gfurry
this happened to me last week as well. my most recent public photo has been viewed over 800 times, but none of them have been credited to my total view count. perplexing. : )
- carlotta fancypants
Hopefully Flickr will extend their analytics package -- need more numbers plz!
- Shey
I could never figure out Flickr stats -- there seem to be a whole bunch of conflicting, irreconcilable numbers. That being said -- isn' t there enough info in the referring stats to tell you where the traffic comes from?
- Brian Sullivan
the flickr referrer list might give you a hint - any surprise referrer?
- Iphigenie
I would like to see better stats/analytics for PRO members too...make me feel like I'm getting more for my $--even if it's artificial differentiation.
- Josh
omg that's so true... i found out that this pic of my cat licking his balls was quoted on some really random japanese blog amongst other cat pics resulting in a spike. WTF internet ... WTF!
- Snipergirl
doesn't the referring link on that photo show you where the large number of views are coming in from?
- Thomas Hawk
It only does so for the last day. The analytics package is very weak compared to say what Google Analytics can do. Heck, if Flickr allowed Pro users to enter an Analytics account number for their pages, that would be a huge win.
- jho
We all just gotta remember that Flickr's first and foremost priority is their site/app. They've never been the go to guy for analytics software.
- Rich Harris
Are you kidding? Google will be cannibalizing its Picasa product (though who cares any more about Picasa) by enhancing Flickr, a Yahoo product. Unfortunately for Google, Yahoo does own some nice intellectual property which suffers from some Yahooness in terms of anemic features.
- Glenn Batuyong
It seems to be spread across a lot of my photos. Only a handful of my pics have had this amount of views in total.
- Chris Nixon
Not a heavy flickr user but I totally agree with you
- AJ Batac
I think it must be a glitch. None of my most popular photos had particularly large views on that date,
- Chris Nixon
the overall referrals should show a spike of that size. Very doubtful it was internal within flickr.
- Ryan Brenizer
My thing is: everyone is so quick to put in their two cents, but when there are actual action items, a lot of people look the other way... Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but practice what your preach. You said it best at the end, "And if I want to be offended, then I’m entitled to be. Just as you are entitled to continue posting your LOLcats and clogging my feeds."
- Mona Nomura
What's cracking me up is that a good portion of those mocking it are those who don't have children. Am I to believe that if it was turned around with the childfree being snarked at for being selfish and DINK-trendy, that would be fine as an example of how to treat a demographic? The whole point of marketing is to win people over.
- Cyndy
I mostly agree with you here Cyndy. Though I thought the moms response was overkill, I do agree that we can't dictate what others are offended by. But I have to ask - weren't you holding Rizzn's feet to the fire several weeks ago for his taking offense at the political conversations on FriendFeed? What's the difference?
- Carla Thompson
It wasn't the being offended by that I took umbrage at, but the same mentality I'm railing against here: If you aren't going to agree with me, I'm going to stomp around like a petulant child, take my toys, and go home. If you remember, that was a huge tantrum about how he was quitting FriendFeed because no one agreed with him and we were all a bunch of pinko commies. Supposedly, the best thing about social media is supposed to be the conersation, but no one wants to hear voices of dissent.
- Cyndy
Fair enough. But it's all semantics to me. Whether it's "you don't agree with me so I'm going home," or "I want to be mad about this and you better let me" - two sides of the same coin. While the conversation is supposed to be (one of) the best things about social media, you can't pretend that we're not all looking for validation, no matter what shape it takes.
- Carla Thompson
I'm not looking for validation so much as intelligent debate. Outright dismissal of an opinion and the "I'm taking my toys" bit both fail in that regard. I don't want sycophants, but I do expect some intelligent defense rather than "You are a whiny granola mom who is over-reacting." Personally, I didn't like the ad. Professionally, I realized right away that would be an enormous PR mistake and addressed my article from that perspective.
- Cyndy
Makes perfect sense, Cyndy. I wasn't offended, I thought the movement was overkill, but I can't dismiss the fact that people were actually offended. The thing that kept going through my mind was that that energy could be used toward other more important issues. Mona said it best above, I think.
- Rahsheen?
Well said, knee-jerk reactions are bad on any side. Mainly, I agree with Mona on this one, I don't care about how much attention anyone puts on Motrin ads. (By the way, you certainly have the right to feel however you want, and I hope my minor contribution to the whole Motrin discussion hasn't made you feel as if you are being called dumb or ridiculous for how you feel.) It's their right to say what they have to say.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I just wish communities would drum up as much excitement to change the world as they do to change your aspirin brand. In a way, I feel like there is only so much effort each person has, and I'd rather they put it into doing good than LOLcatz or brand bashing.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Rahsheen, from my perspective, I sent one Tweet. I didn't expend nearly as much effort as I have into other causes, and I'm sure I have a file somewhere in the gubmint for my regular missives to my representatives. I certainly don't consider a Twitter campaign to be a partcularly large expenditure of energy, although the time to put that video together was a bit much, IMHO. Does that make sense?
- Cyndy
Aram, I don't see it as one or the other. Did my Tweet about my offense at the ad take away from other issues I care about? Not even close. See comment to Rahsheen. :)
- Cyndy
Yep that is actually possible. Marketing. Reconnecting with people you care about.
- Seagate
frankly unless you are in a b2c consumer marketing role, cant see how facebook can be useful professionally. It's not meant for that. Not enough content.
- Iphigenie
To the title: yes. To the question "is a site worth a phone?": no - but the android-clone-distro war hasn't started yet - and *an OS* could be a good reason to choose a phone (not a *additional* one. *The* one). Even today each Linux distro got its own "ambience" and "folklore": default/additional app selection, GUI themes, preinstalled bookmarks, etc. Mix greed, gadgets and hype into this and you've got Balloon 3.0
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
Yeppers! I suffer from a terminal addiction to social networks. I just can't get enough, so I think I'll join 190 of them. Nineteen down so far - 171 more to go!
- J. D. Ebberly