ThirdVoice comes back, from Google. Guess we'll find out if the hellish nightmare cesspool materializes. (Bet it does.) http://paidcontent.org/article...
At least there's an API so services like Disqus and Echo can - in theory - fold the sidewiki back into the comments. I've been very happy with Echo's ability to gather all the activity about a blog post back into the comments. The Third Voice is going to happen thanks to sites like this and Twitter whether we like it or not. We just need to be able to capture and save the content.
- Leo Laporte
It's not evil (I know you're probably kind of kidding, Michael). I do think Google looks out for its own interests more than it pretends to. Whenever you're trying to make something happen with some Google open thing -- gadgets, feeds, whatever -- and it's just not doing exactly what you'd like it to do, you can usually trace the snag for you back to some benefit for Google.
- Amyloo
Amy, I don't throw the word evil around casually, but the problem here is that Google asked to be judged that way when it was a young and idealistic company. It was kind of an insurance policy that Brin took out, in case he lost control of the company, I guess. But they asked for that to be the basis of evaluation. A high standard that nowadays is laughable. A company that benefited...
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- Dave Winer
But I find Google's to be a particularly palatable type of evil, in that they seem to go out of their way not to blow up and destroy the competition, but instead foster it, push it, but keep them alive. From where I sit, they've learned how much the Big Three regrets blowing up Packard, AMC, Tucker, Studebaker, Overland, DeSoto, etc. If your goal is to keep playing, checkmate can't be your goal.
- Matthew DeVries
I agree with Dave, this has to be opt in for the website otherwise I foresee a train wreck of abuse.
- Gilbert Harding
Am I allowed to discuss your website with a colleague around the water cooler without asking your permission?
- Stephen Judd
While Google is claiming that Sidewiki is a commenting tool, I don't really see it as such. It seems to me to be more of a bookmarking/recommendation tool. From a functional standpoint is is about the most worthless thing in terms of commenting. However, if I wanted to share a particular site/article, and include a quick snippet about why I like it I can see this being a great tool for...
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- Sean Brady
I think the opt-out is there isn't it? Can't you set up your website so that Google cannot index it and return it in search results? I thought there were ways to tag your pages telling the Google bots to go away.
- Matthew DeVries
Word on the street is: Google Reader is where it's at! Forget that Streamy garbage! GReader is the closest thing to FF right now. Come join in, everyone! And someone remind me, where's the list of GR people? Kol?
I'm going to sound really dumb here but...I don't get it. Don't get how GR can be another form of FF...
- Katie is STILL hungover
i keep forgetting to use GR, FF is still here.
- Mike Nencetti
Way to early to start the stampede over there. I have a feeling it'll start getting exponentially lot more like FF by the end of this year. I did enjoy them being separate. :(
- Adi
Yes, sort of, Don. I'll admit, though, I didn't actually use Streamy. I watched the video, and I saw lots of people complaining about how buggy it is, so I was like, meh. No time for that.
- Kamilah Gill
In Google Readers left column: Shared Items=Your friendfeed feed, People you follow=Home feed, Comment view is a new thing that's not excist on friendfeed, but it's the coolest thing: It's there it happens, there you see all the comments on shared items from those you follow. Google Reader=New Friendfeed. please come and join us. http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
@Kamilah got it. we weren't quite ready for the traffic, but we're cleaning it up for you. cheers :)
- Don Mosites
Don, do you work for Streamy? :( I'm glad you didn't take offense. It's nothing personal. I apologize for my sort-of crude language. I'm sure Streamy works well for some things, but it doesn't seem much like FF.
- Kamilah Gill
So today, my mom and I went to the local dollar store and bought a crapload of school supplies, which we are boxing up and sending to an inner city first grade class. We are going to keep them in supplies this year. You don't need a fancy organized charity or even a Twitter drive to make a difference. Just Do It.
Great idea. Although it could be a fun thing to organize and do with friends - but definitely bypass "the system." Sending email to "book club" now.
- Amy℠
Thanks guys. It felt totally great to do!
- Martha
AWESOME. Wish I could like this post 10,000 times!
- Trish R
Dave and I had a blast buying school supplies last year: we got all the stuff we wanted and couldn't afford when we were kids...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
School supplies for Zambian children: http://cecilysfund.org/ (Sorry, but I felt this was a good post to promote it.)
- Eivind
Elvind - promote it away! Another thing my mom has been doing for years is making quilts, toys, handcrafts and sending them to an AIDs orphanage in South Africa. She and five of her friends send them to the kids and have sold the stuff stateside and have raised around $25,000 all on their own to send to the orphanages to help the kids. I am not that crafty, but I help with legal, graphic design and the selling of the stuff at their sales. Another thing she just does. There is so much that you can Just Do.
- Martha
Great idea and my congrats. You are making a difference! Good show! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
If you *had* to use Google Reader instead of FriendFeed what would you change about Google Reader? And what are the pros and cons of GReader as it stands now?
For sure, Google Reader has likes and comments, you can share (reshare) whatever you see in your feeds to your followers and there are groups (well can you view by group though?) but there are no DMs and I'm finding the Comment View very chaotic and annoying, for example, I have to expand the post every time (would prefer at least a bigger preview of the post). What the comments system needs, for me, is AJ's very cool commenting highlighting that is on Cleaner FriendFeed. That helps my FF experience hugely. There is no duplicate detector either and lifestreaming is perhaps not the best. What do you think? #alternativetoFF
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd agree with all of those; they also need to clean up the management of your friends / contacts / groups / etc. The way that stuff interacts with GMail Contacts is still rather chaotic and confusing.
- Tristan Seligmann
Personally I'd add GTalk/Chat support
- S.D.Allen
from IM
S.D. built in Gtalk support would be useful or simply made easy to 'DM' followerrs but perhaps this should be toggleable for each user.
- Kol Tregaskes
A cleaner social interface, so I can manage my contacts, etc. as Tristan said.
- phil baumann
The People You Follow view doesn't have to be the exact same as the Subscriptions view. If that interface could be tweaked to be a bit more socially-conducive, that may help.
- phil baumann
I would like to see my friend's friends.
- Damond Nollan
Agreed. Comment view is a mess. If they could get that cleaned up it would be a nice replacement. gTalk integration would be very cool. I have been adding more and more people to my Google Contacts thanks to Google Voice so it makes a lot of sense to have that contact list be my primary list for friends. That makes GR a particularly interesting FF replacement to me.
- Sean Brady
better comments and grouping of friends...need a lot of work
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, what is the issue with groups? I don't use but curious.
- Damond Nollan
I do agree the comments could be better. I notice that in some cases, they are above the story and in others they are below. I wonder if Google is playing with comments now.
- Damond Nollan
Google's in bed with the CIA collecting your personal data to eventually use against you.
- sofarsoShawn
I think that post is farrrrrrrr behind the ball with feedly already doing as much, however I see Greader becoming much more like friendfeed with its new social capabilities
- sofarsoShawn
Agree, it's definitely looking more like FF.
- phil baumann
@damond there are nonexistent :-) [friends grouping I mean]
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
GReader needs a My discussions that only focuses on articles I've Starred, Shared, Liked or Emailed. If someone shares an article I've already read, I don't not want it to resurface. I still say Filtering is needed as well. I may want to auto-hide certain keywords. In Peoples Shared items, I may want to filter a certain RSS feed that they like but has nothing to do with me. Basically they need a way to cut some of the noise down.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Dobromir You can group friends in the contact manager, and decide which groups can comment on yr shared items (odd functionality that I don't see a use for). But yr right, no way right now to group the list of "People you follow"
- Chuck Falzone
Import feeds to shared items (e.g. my own twitter feed, my own delicious bookmarks, etc.); add GReader shared item feeds as "people you follow" instead of regular subscription; overhaul public shared items page - allow folks to comment on items from right there, provide a blurb and a link instead of entire shared item; a tool to find contacts from FF/FB/Twitter who are sharing and...
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- Chuck Falzone
I dont think I COULD use any one service as a replacement for friendfeed, so the only thing google reader could do for me there would be to BECOME friendfeed. Then someone else would have to be Google Reader because, just like with facebook - I use it and friendfeed in different ways already
- Slappy Line
Does commenting put the article back into the unread portion of the feed? I feel like the comments get lost. You need visit comment vie to see if an article received additional comments. This makes it difficult to have a conversation about the article
- Fraser Thompson
I may have missed it above but there is duplicate detection, you will see when multiple friends share the same feed item. I agree with the others on the Comment UI (hard to read, can't tell what you've already read, not sure it's scalable with separate threads on the same item, etc), and Contact management.
- LogEx
I agree with Kol on GReader. Their is potential there, however after having the FF experience it falls far short of what I've grown to expect and want when sharing and commenting on things.
- Bluesun 2600
Damond, you need to use groups if you want your followers to comment on your shares. If there are not in any group they cannot comment.
- Kol Tregaskes
LE,, does the dup detector work in the RSS feeds? And from one folder to another?
- Kol Tregaskes
I notice the dupe detection mainly when I'm viewing All Items, or the aggregate People You Follow.
- LogEx
I think that greader needs groups like here at FF. Some way for articles to share comments with those not being followed by yourself already. Making discovery easier, and discussions more dynamic.
- Bluesun 2600
Groups are there but you cannot view by group yeah. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Can you filter on GReader like we can with FF's saved searches?
- Kol Tregaskes
How about a vanity search on GReader comments?
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm reasonably optimistic... the speed of recent changes indicates to me that the @googlereader team recognizes the opportunity created by FriendFeed's uncertain future and is geared up to make improvements. I don't think it would be a FF on its own, but integrated better with some other Google services it could become quite powerful.
- LogEx
Are there any timestamps on comments?
- Kol Tregaskes
I really wish I didn't need to expand the article in Comments View to show the share/like line. Pointless.
- Kol Tregaskes
One thing I like about the Comment view is that, unlike FriendFeed, is shows more comments before and after the expand link. I wish FF would show at least 2 comments at the bottom of threads. 3 ideally.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes GReader needs a "My Discussions" page. And real-time Comments view.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, you should do a radio show or something and explain all of this... ;-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Google Reader is dreadfully slow for mr because I have 1,000+ friends.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
1. As all you guys said, the comment system is too bad: hard to read, hard to update, limited to only your friends. 2.The contents you read are based on random shared items by people you follow rather than on a theme (like ff groups do). This would make me overloaded by irrelevant information. 3. google reader is way far from real-time, e. g. for a subscription of a twitter RSS feed, the lag is significantly noticeable and timestamps in greader are wrong.
- yezi
from fftogo
They are two totally different things. I don't see how one could replace the other
- Chris Johnston
the fact that what you read is in a frame. Unlike with Friendfeed when one scrolls down the header remains {Gmail, Agenda, ...} which, for me on the netbook or even the 15" screen laptop I use leaves even less room for the news themselves.
- lelapin
open, open, open.. currently you have to be in reader to access comments, likes. etc you ONLY get your friends comments, comments don't appear in your shared feed, there is no API, and you can't embed your content (posts, groups or user summary) back on your blog/site to get a single source for comments etc.. oh yeah and the search sucks (compared to friendfeed), you can't search comments. They seem more like a quick "hack-on" instead of an integrated solution!!
- Chris Myles
We need permalinks for our notes, comments and shared items. That's about it :)
- Svartling
svartling.. sorry but I have to strongly disagree!! Yes it *looks* like they have the same functionality.. but it's the subtle differences and lack of flexibility/api that kill it for me!! Maybe if you combined reader with GFC (or Wave) and search you might start. For example.. I'm on a site and I want to see if there is already any activity (comments etc) that I can join in on.. with...
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- Chris Myles
Yes I miss the embed features too. They are really cool. The other things you are talking about I had never used.
- Svartling
Not only are they cool, they are VERY powerful!! I protyped a more flexible Google Friend Connect (GFC) clone in a half a day using post embeds (via the API) and groups.
- Chris Myles
The "Send To" feature works as advertised, but unfortunately the links all look something like: //feedproxy.google.com/~r. So instead of the actual link or a shortened link, we get a Goo-link which is hideous, but does indeed re-direct to the proper source.
- mrshl
from Bookmarklet
I agree the URL is pretty hideous. Added a new Sendto for Diigo which worked very well. I think it is a good idea, although better with the true URL. BTW... the shortened URL option when you create a custom sendto uses Bit.ly
- Sean Brady
Sean, please tell me how to add sendto item for Diigo. Thanks.
- Roger Chen
Regarding the the feedproxy.google.com links, they;re coming from the feed (which must be using FeedBurner for click tracking). Reader just uses whatever the feed has as the item permalink (and does not follow redirects).
- Mihai Parparita
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim in Real Time
I'm sad, but I'm sticking around. I'm hoping others do to. At some point, the fuss will die down.
- Helen Sventitsky
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- Bryan Lee
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- Tad
I'm not going anywhere Helen...When it goes it goes...I'm sitting tight on the ship
- Bill Heslin
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- Bryan Lee
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
didn't you just just say "FriendFeed is dead. I will keep using it until Paul unplugs the last server, which could be years" ? or i'm missing something
- Liviu Barbat
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Robert: Earlier in the day you were excited for both FriendFeed & Facebook. It didn't sound like you were leaving FriendFeed. What changed? Why not stick around to see what happens?
- Jill Elswick
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
I'm in wait and see mode. It would have to be absolutely sucked in by FB for me to leave it completely.
- pea
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- ashish
I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't want to but if it eventually goes down the way everybody's predicting it will then i'll have to look for alternatives :( .......by the way where do i beg for Wave invites :)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Adi
I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain.
- Cheryl
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate DA FF MVP
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cassidy
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I won't be deleting my account, but signing in and commenting? No. No real point to continue putting data into a service that is gonna get unplugged anyway. Guess we just have to return to blogs and twitter.
- BCK
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Robert your not processing anything from what I see..Your just gonna dump it...thanks...makes us All feel so much better....Salt in a wound?
- Bill Heslin
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- Bryan Lee
Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- Bryan Lee
I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
:) I am what I am Robert...I'm A DRAMA QUEEN? LOL that's funny....even though I'm a much better queen than you I still wuvs ya...Still processing all this as everyone else is...Sorry...might be shooting from the hip and I shouldn't
- Bill Heslin
Am I the only one excited to see how Facebook integrates FF? I have hundreds of FB friends that I know personally, yet know nobody that I am "friends" with on FF or Twitter. FB has my friends but I'd love FF's functionality.
- Chris Nunz
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing
- Jeunelle Foster
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you don't think your time here is an not an investment ;anymore in anything Robert...We still, or at least I do, consider your input valuable. And if you were to jump ship too soon, I think we would all lose something. So, even if things don't look good...please hang around..That's what I meant to say...
- Bill Heslin
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact.
- Neal Jansons
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
As you should. Family is much more important than any of this. And now I have to go fix my wig! LOL
- Bill Heslin
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John C Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
And Leo and Dick Debartolo are on the wine train, missing all this...I envy them...lol
- Bill Heslin
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo (app103)
If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out...
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- Jeunelle Foster
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :)
- Jeunelle Foster
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo (app103)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
I know I am able to post status updates in Facebook to "Everyone" now, but when will we be able to search these open status updates?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
I can't wait till my mom gets one of my "Queenie" updates....that's gonna b fun...lol..
- Bill Heslin
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm confused - on the one hand you've said this is such a great thing for FF as well as FB - but on the other hand you also say you're leaving FF because of of it. Why - if this is such a great thing for FF?
- Matthew Blaisdell
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
LOL...there ya go Robert...I knew you would come around...Drink Drink!!! have a really nice cocktail...
- Bill Heslin
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- Bryan Lee
Robert - Makes sense - except that it still doesn't seem like a great day for Friendfeed - if it just gets abandoned (by FB as well as by leaders like you...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- Bryan Lee
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think I will just stay on twitter, because I can't stand facebook.
- Tomy Thomson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jon, the Beartato of '10
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience
- Jorge Escobar
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps
- Jeunelle Foster
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- Bryan Lee
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring"
- Jeunelle Foster
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
@Stephen, I was alternating between friendfeed and twitter (stones and beatles, respectively :P) but I don't see the point in staying with a dying technology, which unfortunately is where friendfeed is headed. The tech of friendfeed itself will hopefully live on in facebook. I really think facebook has become a slightly less obnoxious version of myspace, and that's being nice.
- Tomy Thomson
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
*eye roll* thread is getting to the point where it's too long and people are now asking questions that have been answered thrice.....Lock down time.
- Matthew DeVries
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, why didn't Ff take over FB? Yeah Facebook has the money, but it's the inferior product.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert: The majority of apps on FB are useless imo. Every time I log on I get bombarded by 'add your relative' and 'blackjack' app requests. And don't get my started on the quizzes and other BS. Ah well, I will join your fan page on facebook!
- Tomy Thomson
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm in it to win it. FF isn't shutting down tomorrow or next week. But it's funny to me that so many dicuss the content... It's the connections made with others that are in jeopardy, not the LOLCat photos...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Soon as I saw FF being purchased by Facebook I knew you would bolt. Not 100% surprising.
- Christopher Mercer
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee
- Jeunelle Foster
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head?
- Jeunelle Foster
Quote of the Day: "Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)" - Robert Scoble
- Diego Barros
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird
- Jeunelle Foster
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I hope FF doesn't go away and fold in to FB. I don't need FB. It's like bringing a machine gun to a knife fight.
- Diego Barros
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well, it's made me think twice about vesting too much into any one service (so has the demise of tr.im). I use Facebook, Twitter, Livejournal, and FF all pretty equally, so I guess I'm not feeling this as much as some.
- Bill Kinney
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Leaving a favorite site isn't always a conscious decision for me. The cool site loses its cool and you just kind of drift off.
- Dale
from email
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :)
- jcunwired
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Kolja
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence is ashes
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- Travis Koger
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- Travis Koger
I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over!
- clarke thomas
Nope, not yet. I still dream about FF and FB to coexist. I think Facebook is even more boring now, after this announcement. Anyone else feels this way?
- Patrik Johansson
Not me. I will be glad when all the people who say they are leaving do so my feed won't be full of people saying they are leaving.
- Alan Simpson
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
won´t leave!!! i LOVE friendfeed. @Mitch i know what you mean. So many stories and this is the one they picked?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
OH NO, I just finish moving all my stuff HERE!
- Terence
Robert: I closed down my embeds today. Sad for my blog.
- Mark Essel
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
Yeah, I'll probably leave Facebook too. If they're going to "steal" the FriendFeed functions and just let FF die, I will not have any sympathies left for Facebook. I'll go "all Google" or something.
- Patrik Johansson
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
I joined posterous for blogging/lifestreaming and will continue to use twitter. I might go on facebook once in a while, which is what I was doing anyway.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there?
- echostreamer
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Dan van Moll
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Internet Strategist
"All you have to do to prevent this is sign in to Facebook and click through to (get ready) -> Settings -> Privacy -> News Feed and Wall -> Facebook Ads -> Appearance in Facebook Ads and click "no one." Unless, of course, you want to be semifamous and have your picture used to push some garbage product or website without your knowledge. (note: when I tried to make this change just now, the site returned an error. oh, and it might not work in Firefox either due to a 'bug.')"
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
Nice... The coming Facebook backlash is going to be interesting to watch. I give it 1 to 1.5 years.
- mikepk
And I was surprised to see my setting set to "Appear on Facebook Ads". x_x Go here---> Settings -> Privacy -> News Feed and Wall -> Facebook Ads -> Appearance in Facebook Ads and click "no one."
- AJ Batac
Interesting ownership of content rules over there, heh?
- Jason Nunnelley
My Facebook Ads page is blank. Maybe because I only have my stuff opened to friends?
- Admiral Anika
I disabled my AdBlock Plus to view that page Anika.
- AJ Batac
Ah, okay let me try that. EDIT: Thanks! That worked. I was already selected to not appear in ads.
- Admiral Anika
Good! Mine was set to appear to friends initially. Changed it to "none".
- AJ Batac
I went to that part of the settings and this is the popup I got... "Worried about privacy? Your photos are safe. There have been misleading rumors recently about the use of your photos in ads. Don't believe them. These rumors were related to third-party applications, and not ads shown by Facebook. Get the whole story at the Facebook Blog, or check out the Help Center."
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Third party content as in FB apps? Big difference there, eh?
- Michael W. May
I run Firefox from my portable install on occasion to get my FF extension fix. I am way to addicted to the Omnibar in Chrome to stop. I did just realize the RiL has added some new features since I last looked at it. Will have to give it another look.
- Sean Brady
Huh, I was noticing yesterday how I much prefer the way Firefox's Awesome Bar works. Why do prefer the Omnibar?
- mrshl
Because when I start typing cnn it will pull up the full URl even though I have never been to the site on that computer before. It just seems to me to make the address bar almost like a bookmark manager in itself...for the whole of Google.
- Sean Brady
from email
One RIL weaknes is this: if you run Firefox on, say, a mac and another windows machine, the RIL bookmarks can get truly out of whack. I've taken to using Delicious with an RIL tag, and checking the Private option to track my read-it-later sites.
- Steven W. Kelly
Serious question - why do I have so little activity on my feed? I try to be a good FFitizen, participating as I have the time, posting what seem to me to be moderately interesting (or completely benign) things. I admit that I don't post as many pictures or external links as others, but I don't feel like my feed is purely a collection of crap. :\
I've tried to figure out the same thing (over time) and don't have any brainstorms about it. Sure, it helps to comment a lot on others' threads (to interact with people), but having good content on your own feed isn't enough. I'm as interested in the answer as Brett is.
- Spidra Webster
I would say that the short updates on Twitter don't often encourage a response? (Just guessing)
- Louis Gray
WoH, from his first comment, I infer activity = comments/likes
- vijay
A few examples that make me gloss over it would be "Missing the mrs. and the kids :\" and "Finally heading home. Pretty damn tired." and "oh, hey dumprep.exe. sup." and "and you had better believe that The Bronx is on the speakers and they're turned *way* up." What am I supposed to do with those? :)
- Louis Gray
WorldofHiglet - for example, Johnny W can post a picture of his breakfast and receive several dozen comments. I'm not saying I want or expect that type of "activity", but I suppose that's what I mean.
- Brett Kelly
Johnny has an established track record of interaction and humor in the community. This is something we don't get from you right away.
- Louis Gray
I'm not justifying it. I don't post pictures of breakfast either. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis - that certainly may be part of it, but I actually go out of my way to post here (and have it forwarded to Twitter) in order to encourage more "local" conversation here. A bit of a puny step, admittedly.
- Brett Kelly
Right, and Johnny is an exceptional case - I was merely providing an example of what I meant by "activity" (and he has tons of it)
- Brett Kelly
I understand that. It's not a Twitter v. Friendfeed issue. Typically, most of what I share includes links or photos. Text-only doesn't usually get a response unless I start off with seed comments.
- Louis Gray
I think some of it is the amt of followers one has. Johnny may get responses to a bkfast picture, but the amt of people responding relative to how many are following is small. You may be getting the same ratio, but have a smaller pool of followers.
- Spidra Webster
If Johnny = Funny Australian guy with beard who does FFundercats, and Scoble equals social media/blogger crazy guy who does everything to the extreme and contradicts himself once a week, what do you equal? :)
- Louis Gray
That's another thing I've noticed recently (images garnering more interest) - probably due to the obvious visual "eye-catcher".
- Brett Kelly
Right. Images and links drive action. Text usually doesn't
- Louis Gray
Louis - I equal occasionally self-deprecating, obsessed with his wife and kids, bad-joke-making code monkey. :) I like to think I'm "greater" than the sum of those parts ;)
- Brett Kelly
Holden - I certainly try to (though, not blindly). I've actually pared down my sub list to people who seem to be active (meaning they comment/like on this site instead of just having their web life dumped here without ever visiting). If you (or anybody) would like to recommend some friends for me, I certainly wouldn't object!
- Brett Kelly
Holden, you get comments on your text because you are always on and send one after another in a desperate cry for help. lol
- Louis Gray
Holden: you post these lists of 5 people to your feed? I'll take a look :)
- Brett Kelly
Maybe I'll buckle down and finish that batch-unsubscribe tool for FF to gain some extra "community cred" :)
- Brett Kelly
Awesome! Yeah, I was already subscribed to most of those folks, but I look forward to future banter with you, as well :) Did I mention that my son is also named Holden? You're the first person I've spoken to with that name (other than him), so it's kinda funny/weird :)
- Brett Kelly
Well, he *is* named after that exact character :)
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
Heard my name dropped so I thought I would check it out. Basically, it's time. It's all about time. I have been here for over a year and I have been extremely open and transparent. As you see me here is how you see me in real life. I am an unusual case as my time zones are completely screwed up compared to the US, and even the European timezones. The thing is I worked at it, almost to...
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- Johnny Worthington
Holden: We already are... but again, it's a lot to do with time. I miss a lot of Brett's content but I make an effort of reading his stuff when it pops up cause he has a few 'Look At This Person' Points in teh bank.
- Johnny Worthington
I think your feed is fine... you're in my regulars list ... promoting you to my Watchlist now ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
If I were you Brett, I wouldn't be so quick to swallow what you've been told. This thread reads like a hundred that I've read over the past 16 months. The truth; FF is just another popularity contest that some will win and some will lose. For example, my feed has all kinds of funny, interesting, educational items posted everday. That does precious little to get any attention at all. Do I care? Fuck no. Why would I? I'm here because this is the funniest place on the interwebs.
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
Brett: no piece of software or Internet "gadget of the moment" is going to make you "popular". (By posting a question like the one you did, I'm assuming that it is popularity that you are worried about). Don't join any type of social networking medium in the hopes of becoming popular. Join to both learn and share. If people don't follow you and you aren't "popular", there's nothing you...
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- ThatJimGuy
I'm with Jim...just be yourself and the rest will all fall in place. My thing is pretty much the same here. Share things I learn/discover and hope to learn more.
- ScottW
A great early look at the completely re-written Evernote Windows client. With a download link to the Alpha build. Thanks to Steve Rubel's Twitter feed for the tip.
- mrshl
from Bookmarklet
Downloading now. I wonder if the upgrade will make me jump to the new pay version once and for all. The windows client is one of the big downsides in my mind.
- Sean Brady
I am impressed with Evernote's array of functions, but with both their Windows and Web clients there is a lack of polish that irritates me and keeps me from being a true fan. Daring Fireball's take on Evernote does ring true to me: http://bulgy.daringfireball.net/linked...
- mrshl
Ok the UI on this new version is a big improvement. I really like the thumbnail view and this version does it well. I dont know if I am ready to commit though. Honestly after Google Notebook went away I have been in a bit of a online note taking rut. Maybe Gmail is good enough for my needs.
- Sean Brady
Gmail might be the easiest, most obvious notebook there is.
- mrshl
from Bookmarklet
Combine one of the Gmail+ addresses with a filter and the Quick Links from the lab and you have a great portable notebook for capturing all sorts of stuff.
- Sean Brady
Almost makes me wish I used iGoogle. But it's so much worse than Netvibes, I can't make the leap.
- mrshl
from Bookmarklet
I was commenting on Twitter earlier that I just cannot get into any of the dashboard/portal pages. I miss the functionality of the actual apps. I do however, have Iron Man adorning the top of my page should I decide to use it.
- Sean Brady
Chart is woefully incomplete without reference to Aliens (especially the queen) or Predator
- LANjackal
The scientific accuracy of this chart is questionable. It looks like the Megatron silhouette is from the Transformer's cartoon. The 50 foot woman is crouching. And the line from Ghostbusters is "killed by a 100-foot marshmallow", which presumably doesn't include the hat.
- Andy Bakun
In my head they were totally the wrong way around! I think they just got bigger the smaller I was!
- Chris Lloyd
"Waiting to get your grubby mitts on Google Wave? You'll have to wait just a little bit longer. While around 6,000 developers got their hands on Wave this Monday, a post on the Google Wave developer blog says that the company isn't planning to open it up everyday users until September 30th. At that time some 100,000 users will be let into the program. To be a part of that first run, users will have had to have signed up to use the service on Google's invite page."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Me please! really looking forward to wave. So many times during the week that I think to myself how something like wave would improve what I am working on.
- Sean Brady
When I signed up, i made little joke...... knock, knock. who's there? i1nb. i1nb who. i1nb べた~r. little japanese katakana means beta. Google should just call it ~ . way cooler than tilda
- Robert Higgins
Hey Google, If you're watching... bless me with a GWave account. Please!
- Fernando Parra
you have to sign up, I signed up. I wrote something silly 2 them
- polou/indigo_bow
One thing. Twitter's value isn't just in the messages, it is in the following/follower graphs. And all the metadata that sits outside the message.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very clever. So would the 140-char message itself BE the link? So the mp3 would be accessed by clicking the message rather than a seperate URL taking up some of the 140 chars?
- Mark
You've seen the Google Social Graph API though yeah? With XFN and FOAF it's easy to declare and determine relationships in a decentralized way. Right now it only works for public relationships though.
- Brett Slatkin
from email
Scoble, and the follower/following graph is the hard part - messaging + the format is nothing without a transport / platform that knows where to push those messages. And when like twitter you have users with 1+ million followers - that is a massive technical challenge that nobody has solved in a distributed fashion
- Nick Halstead
People with 1-million-plus followers are going to have a hefty Amazon EC2 bill. As they should. (Or they can use Twitter, if they can find a way to pay for everyone who uses it.)
- Dave Winer
Why do you want an OPML for Twitter? Where do you want to import it?
- Dave Winer
I think OPML could be good for importing Twitter to Snackr (The latest test version can be synced with Google Reader using OPML) I like using it for the casual glance @ the ticker tape while I work. It's not as immediate (feed refresh is slow) but it would cut down the time suckage if I still wanted to keep a slightly less frenzied eye on twitter.
- BairdWilliamson
The first thing I noticed was how the surrounding XML seemed larger than the message itself. :)
- Ray Cromwell
I wrote a quick and dirty OPML exporter for Twitter. I'll put a little polish on it in the morning and put it up as a web app.
- Dave Winer
I may/must have missed something vital, but there's one thing I don't get. Since the ensuing Twitter-length RSS-item, message + envelope, is well above 140 characters, and thus can not be displayed as-is as an SMS (which, among other things, once was one of Twitter's killer features), why continue with that artificial limit at all? It's not as if the Cloud, be it RssCloud.org's or other, will not support messages where the <description> part is more than that. So what's the justification here?
- ianf ⌘
SMS support for twitter is going to be a dead issue soon enough, glad to see people thinking about metadata and enclosures. I wish all url shortening services would go away, terrible idea which unfortunately got popular despite all the downsides.
- Dave Evans
I barely use Twitter, but I always felt that the very audacity of building a SMS-length global instant messaging service was sheer genius. I understand the cellphone push never worked (or not for long) outside USA/ Canada and perhaps the UK. But the possibility of using SMS for input has a lot of merit whether Twitter streams are then delivered to cell phones, or not.
- ianf ⌘
I'd like to see Twitter foaf'd out.
- barce
from iPhone
@Dave Evans. what makes you say that ("SMS support for twitter is going to be a dead issue soon enough")? In contrast to that, here's what one "VC from NYC" has to say about it: "I believe that Twitter's native implementation of sms is an important part of its success. The 140 character limit was driven by the 160 character limit of sms and the initial design of the service put sms...
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- ianf ⌘