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World's biggest burger weighs 13 stone (185lbs) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
Jens Christian Freund, Kol Tregaskes, Iván Abrego and 25 other people liked this
Comes with 40 pounds of fries.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
NOM NOM NOM
- Chris Heath
"...served on a disc of salted butter with fifteen of our Potato Bacon Bombs."
- Ken Sheppardson
just for perspective, i weigh the same as that burger, & im 6'4", :o
- chaz2b
That's 185lbs worth of heart attacks.
- imabonehead
A stripper jumps out of this, right?
- Andy Bakun
... a midget stripper!
- Chris Heath
+1 @Chris Heath :) Definitely no need for the "Where's the beef?" ladies :) I wonder how long that took to cook?
- Robert Couture
NM, 8 hours to prepare and 15 hours to cook ... $499 to buy? LOL.
- Robert Couture
Ever since RSS got started, the tech industry has been trying to kill it. It's the people's tech, of course they don't like it.
Matt Snoulten, Kirsten Mitchell, Werner Trotter and 23 other people liked this
Good point. Never thought about it that way.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
that's bullshit, Dave. I have supported RSS and you from the beginning.
- Steve Gillmor
You're having an Emily Litella moment Steve. I wasn't talking about you.
- Dave Winer
who then
- Steve Gillmor
I think the wikipedia article on RSS sums up what Dave's trying to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I have been one of Dave's principal allies since those early days. He calls TechCrunch names, he's calling me names.
- Steve Gillmor
like I said Dave, when you say something, stick with it or look like you're faking it
- Steve Gillmor
I don't want to fight with you Steve. I don't want to fight with anyone -- I just want to write code and work with other developers and users.
- Dave Winer
Live now Dr Kiki's Science Hour debut episode. Discuss here.
mark, Michael Hansel, Sean Carmody and 7 other people liked this
Good show, guys. Technical gremlins bedamned
- Devin Baines
it's H1N1 dammit!!! xD
- robby
Leo, you need to set up a suggestion box somewhere so we can suggest things for this new amazing show!
- Dakota O'Neill
Yes ! I would see some astronomy stuff !
- Frank Coburger
Astronomy FTW!
- Dakota O'Neill
is this show going to be a downloadable podcast
- Will
Why are we using TalkShoe? Why not Skype with video for callers ala Call for Help?
- Jude
Phil rocks !
- Frank Coburger
Agree with Jude
- CLC Radio
First show I've been excited about since the launch of Windows Weekly. Dr. Kiki is an amazing addition to the TWiT network. Such passion for science and you can't help but become passionate with her as she gets deep into it. I have a feeling this is going to become my new favourite podcast to look forward to. Now while I think guests are a great idea, Dr. Kiki herself can wax lyrical on...
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- tech pops
pls podcast to download I'm from europe and its too late for me to watch the live show
- Gutsy Heron
I'm looking for a podcast, too. I'd love to subscribe! [Edit] It looks like vidcasts are downloadable, but I'd like some audio-only.
- Jason Miller
please release as podcast. I'm in uk and only get to catch you live when I have a night off work and I can't sleep!!
- Andy
doh! missed it.. plz post us a link Leo!
- Brad
Looking everywhere on iTunes and TWiT.tv trying to find the podcast where can I get my KiKi to go?
- Eric Harris
Eric Harris, there is no podcast for Kiki, it is currently live video only.
- Mister IQ
I am very sad, I always miss it but love This Week in Science. Oh well back to all my other Twit shows. Love the network!
- Eric Harris
Link to TWIS with audio! http://www.twis.org/
- Brad
I'm listening to the twit.am feed, what is the delay after the live show? I haven't listened to this before but I've been a Dr Kiki fan for some time now. I think I am going to need to add this show to my podcast list and ditch some lesser show.
- Paul Jacobson
Interesting mathematics tattoos - http://www.seyvet.com/foto...
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Zeyno_O_o, Burcu Tüzün, Mark Davidson and 5 other people liked this
Adam gibi bir yer yokki yaptıralım şunlardan:(
- Sbl 23-34
i fuckinng hate quadratic equations
- Caroline
Matematik delisinin biri eline kalemi alıp çözmeye kalkmasın üstümüzde :)
- Ömer Ertuğ
e^i + 1 = 0 is all anyone needs.
- Onur Babacan
Fwd: The Force is strong in this one - http://animaexnihilo.tumblr.com/post... (via http://friendfeed.com/bluesun...)
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Picolo, Zeyno_O_o, Clifford Kennedy and 7 other people liked this
Wow
- مرســده گیسگلابتون
Neat.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
"A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, craftsperson, performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000 True Fans to make a living." - http://blog.kickstarter.com/post...
alex_k, Mathew A. Koeneker, Juho Tunkelo and 93 other people liked this
Kickstarter is a site for funding art and music projects. According to their data, if a project reaches 25% of their funding goal, they almost certainly reach 100% eventually. The graph above illustrates the trend - almost no projects have achieved more than 25% and less than 100% of their funding goal. Interesting phenomenon. They argue it is due to those projects reaching a threshold of "true fans" who evangelize the project to "lesser" fans.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
What's the y-axis of the plot? The graph doesn't make any sense to me (could be the cold meds, but yeah)
- LANjackal
I assume it's a histogram of the number of projects according to how far they got before giving up or reaching their deadline or whatever. The shape seems like it would depend highly on the give-up/time-out mechanism and how people set their "goal" targets.
- ⓞnor
Yah, a line graph was not an appropriate representation. It is a histogram, as Dan says. The site is also really new, so the numbers may not be meaningful, and may just reflect unreasonable goals for some projects. It would be interesting to see this graph for different goal segments (i.e., do all the "successful" projects just have lower goals?)
- Bret Taylor
The numbers are interesting, but I have trouble drawing any conclusions about "true fans".
- ⓞnor
Yah, "tipping points" are common, and "true fans" might not be the reason. I agree that the connection is a bit tenuous.
- Bret Taylor
1000 true fans still seems monumental. Especially by that definition.
- Andrew Smith
dunno about true fans, but certainly micro-community dynamics
- Steve Gillmor
Andy is using the site to create "An 8-Bit Tribute to Miles Davis" ~ http://www.kickstarter.com/project... an 8bit recreation of Miles Davis, "Kind of Blue". The striking thing is he got enough money to do it without the risk of his own capital. It is also over-subscribed. An interesting funding alternative for things that require a lot of intensive up-front design & can be distributed as bits (music, software etc).
- Peter Renshaw
When everyone will pay $5 per month in global culture tax to pay for all arts, that'll provide salary for 1 artist full time for every 300 people paying this tax. But no reason all artists need to be full time artists. So consider lots of artists can be pretty happy getting only a few hundred dollars each month for monetizing just a bit of the artistic stuff they do on their free time.
- Charbax
So me being a photographer with over 2k subscribers on FriendFeed, does that mean I should be making a living? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
remenber that Clay Shirky has the similar statement about "1,000 True Fans"
- K.D.
@Kol - The statement is a bout true fans - the die hard fanatics! They are probably only 1 in a 1000 in real life.
- Paul OFlaherty
I synchronized my iPhone address book with GMail but I want to remove all contacts from my iPhone. How can I do that?
Sean Carmody and Kevin Whalen liked this
iPhone includes phonebook names to the auto-correction dictionary and I hate it.
- Alp
damn no one has ideas.
- Alp
You know, I have been wondering this myself. I want that auto-suggestion list to match my iPhone contact list.
- Kevin Whalen
Kevin, is there a way to disabling auto-suggestion or auto-correction?
- Alp
Not that I know of. I'm wondering if a full restore (not from back up) would clear this list.
- Kevin Whalen
alp, i have no idea, but maybe do a search in ff, maybe this subject has come up before.
- Trish Haley
What are you trying to do exactly? Have no contacts at all on your iPhone? There is probably an option in iTunes to stop syncing contacts.
- Brian Sloane
When sending an email using the iPhone mail.app, it will auto-suggest email addresses/contacts as you type in to To: box. This auto suggestion list will still suggest email addresses/contacts that are no longer in your contact list.
- Kevin Whalen
I'm sorry but the more I look at the FF beta color scheme and layout the more I want to claw my eyes out .. please FF team PLEASE rethink it .. seriously ...
AJ Batac, Brandon Mendelson, Andy Bakun and 16 other people liked this
The colors are freaking horrible.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If the background was black it would be perfect.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I don't mind the colors, but I really want to choose my own. Stop forcing me to live with your design!
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, that's why I'm using AJ Batac's script
- Mo Kargas
+1 for user customization
- CharlieWhiskey™
Agreed, Robert. And I'm too lazy to use some 3rd party thing to do it.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
it's like they took a bunch of random crayons out of the box and started doodling...
- Joshua Schnell
Of course, if they added that, they would get accused of copying Twitter since Twitter has a bunch of themes and lets you use a photo as your background.
- Robert Scoble
agreed. a black or charcoal background would be easier on the eyes i think. before the switch i was using a script that had it set to charcoal and was great for me
- Cee Bee
BFD - quit whining! :)
- Donna Payne
AJ's cleanup script: http://friendfeed.com/e... one of the first things I installed
- Mo Kargas
Paul said on the Gillmor Gang on Monday that they would soon have theme-ing available. I would assume either before leaving beta, or at that time.
- Chris Heath
Paul B told me the background will be skinnable, like Twitter
- Chris Nuttall
Robert: you mention that you "don't mind" the new colors, do you prefer them to the old (existing) colors?
- Ted Roden
i hope it becomes skinnable
- andy brudtkuhl
I'm begging for an improvement in graphics.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
could use a new logo too... jus sayin'
- CharlieWhiskey™
@Lindsey I liked your proposal the best plus it helped me with a color problem I was having elsewhere so for that I thank you.
- Steven Hodson
Ted: yes, I like the new look a LOT more than the old one.
- Robert Scoble
I feel like I'm in kindergarten when I see these colours.
- Andrew Trinh
I don't mind them. It needed a redo.
- Larry Hudson
Thanks Steven, I appreciate it. Glad it could be of some use :)
- Lindsey is Fierce!
@Robert Personally I think people are stupid for thinking like that. Having a custom background is something I want with almost every social site I'm on.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Yeah, for some weird reason that stylish script doesn't kick in exactly as planned by AJ and I haven't took the single second needed to go ahead in this investigation, I'll send a screenshot, but at work its infinite paradise to witness it like that. It's almost forgetting it's actually it, represented a bit differently.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I miss the blue/white theme. Orange/green just doesn't look right.
- Alejandro
In December of 2007 http://louisgray.com/live... I asked for "Customization of the Feed Page", which some have listed above. I want to believe it will eventually come, but it has taken quite some time.
- Louis Gray
Agreed. A white background would have been nice.
- Brandon Mendelson
I've shown the video of the new friendfeed (coming Monday) to two groups of people. Both say it's a big step, but (details here):
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They say that the experience of the first two minutes is going to be key and they need to get their hands onto it first before they have good feelings about that.
- Robert Scoble
And... You're planning on posting the link to the video here?
- Brian Partridge
I've watched the video now three times and I'm very excited, but worried that it might be tough to work with on a busy feed. Luckily there are lots of new ways to deal with that problem.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: Monday morning. Yes. 9 a.m. Pacific Time.
- Robert Scoble
a screenshot or two would be even sweeter
- Sean Scott
Neither Robert nor I have our hands on the new interface either.
- Louis Gray
Fun on the video? All of Arrington's comments and Steve Gillmor's comments too.
- Robert Scoble
Saying that the first two minutes are key is like saying that the first single off an album is all that matters. Fuck that.
- Mitch
what do u think of it Louis?
- Zee.
That's why I asked the questions that I did, Robert. When you move in one direction, there will always be those who prefer to go the other way.
- Louis Gray
Sean: we cant share screenshots until Monday at 9 a.m. Pacific Time.
- Robert Scoble
Mitch: I agree with you. Facebook proves that theory wrong (that only the first two minutes matters).
- Robert Scoble
Zee, one of the purposes of the embargo is to not have judgment put on it until it is in users' hands. It's not in my hands, and I'll honor the idea of not passing judgment, favorable or negative. But we'll all see soon!
- Louis Gray
you know what, i just have one question...does it differentiate Friendfeed from Facebook more?
- Zee.
Louis: I'm glad I recorded it. I keep seeing new things I want to explore on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Zee yes.
- Robert Scoble
well that definitely puts a smile on my face...thanks Robert
- Zee.
I can't wait! Thanks for the update Robert!
- Michael Fidler
Its going to be a very interesting Monday. Some very cool features coming out.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Both groups say they are impressed, though, and want to play with it and that it will get them to give friendfeed more of their attention. It'll be interesting to see if it can hold them.
- Robert Scoble
oh and just saw your reply Louis, no probs - i understand
- Zee.
I want to see it
- Zafarali
I find it ironic, Louis, that you just wrote an article on hubris yet here you are writing how you think it's "amusing" that you don't have your hands on the new beta. Take a sip of your own medicine pal.
- Mitch
Mitch, the difference there is that Twitter is telling you the right way to use their product. FriendFeed is developing their product to make it better, and won't limit anybody.
- Louis Gray
Mitch: I just got access and will be writing up my thoughts and doing lots of videos over next day or two. This was my first comment in the new UI.
- Robert Scoble
That doesn't change the fact that you come off sounding like you think you're different and better than your peers.
- Mitch
Mitch: hey, we're just having some fun. By the way, it just went away. So, maybe the friendfeed team is watching here.
- Robert Scoble
Mitch, if I'm sounding that way, I apologize. I don't believe I'm better or different.
- Louis Gray
In an on demand world what's the point of wasting time with something they can't access yet. :-P
- Richard A.
Good to hear. I don't mean to be the jackass but I've been drinking wine all night which brings out my "screw the man" layer which is usually buried deep. Just read Mona's "How to be a Gentleman" ebook and I still have a long way to go.
- Mitch
Robert - If they FriendFeed team is watching this thread they won't dare reply. Me, my comments, and my suggestions are like HIV to them.
- Mitch
Mitch - the best thing about FriendFeed is the HIDE feature. And don't be afraid to use it. It's saved me a couple of times, too. If all else fails, come vent in the bitchfest room. ;)
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
No, sometimes people need to hear that they're stepping over a line. The same line is in different places to different people and I respect Louis for hearing out my opinion on where that line is for me.
- Mitch
I don't believe I've seen a release of anything teased more than this has been over the past few days. Robert - are you on the payroll? You seem to be their one-man PR machine :-)
- Steve Lacey
Steve: Robert is EVERYONE's one-man PR machine. He's an unstoppable force of good hype for future products and services. That's one of the reasons I follow him; if something's going down, Robert will know about it, point out the good sides, and make the whole journey that much more enjoyable.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Steve: they gave me a few pieces of cheese and some wine last night but that's the only things that friendfeed team has given me. Last year I got two T-shirts. I'm genuinely excited. I think that what is going on with friendfeed in particular, but also facebook and Twitter are very important to all of us.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: the new UI has been excited and that's not the tequila talking. Thanks for the support and understanding!
- Robert Scoble
Don't excite the UI too much Robert. If you go to jail again... :-)
- Todd Hoff
I never even considered the tequila, Robert! :D
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Noticed you changed your comment Louis (sixth from the top). May I ask that you state your reason?
- Mitch
You took offense at the word amusingly, so I thought it made sense to make the statement clearer, Mitch.
- Louis Gray
But don't you think it was integral to my complaint? I would have had no qualms if you had not used the word in the first place. By making yourself clearer to other readers you have made my comments less clear. As I have said earlier tonight, please put yourself in others shoes (to a greater extent than you might already be doing).
- Mitch
what about the iPhone and mobile version of the new Friendfeed?
- Cem Dalgic
You guys are killing me with all this teaser talk! :P
- Susan Beebe
Susan, me too! The problem with the fast pace on the web is that you lose all patience waiting for the next big thing and it is heightened for me for a service that I already love, like FF. Looking forward to the release AND the comments from the people on line that I respect.
- Martha
By the way, FriendFeed has said they're not just flipping a switch on Monday. The current and new UIs will both be available to everyone on www and beta.friendfeed.com respectively for some time. It feels like they're very conscious of the need to transition folks in a orderly, gradual way. I don't mean one users at a time, I mean giving you a choice as to how quickly you want to move. [Edit - deleted the embargo talk :-)]
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry Ken - I deleted my comment -- thought that a new post would be more appropriate rather than hijacking this one - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Brian Sullivan
They used the beta vs regular site strategy in the past -- and I agree it is a good strategy to transition in the new features. But I remember quite a few people (regulars I would label them) were caught out/surprised by the final switch when it happened the last time.
- Brian Sullivan
Oh, geez, @repcor did SXSW rap and I play a role. Let this be a lesson not to get drunk at SXSW http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Future Of Social Networks - Charlene Li - http://blog.altimetergroup.com/2009...
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RT @dirkthecow: really interesting, the chalkboard newspaper in Liberia http://whatconsumesme.com/2009... [awesome]
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Re: What will we call a Twitter? (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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"Yeah but what are people really going to call it. I don't think they're going to care about "trademark issues" nor do they have to. Normal people get to call things whatever they want to call them."
- Dave Winer
Greed and hubris bring down Babcock & Brown - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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FriendFeed falters as Twitter explodes - http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
Philip Lei, Marcia Conner, Moses Kpetigo and 86 other people liked this
You can take Compete's numbers with a grain of salt, of course. But if their trending is accurate, FriendFeed is failing to pace Twitter's explosive growth curve. While Twitter put the gas to the floor in January, growing over 30%, FriendFeed actually went in reverse. Twitter is red; StumbleUpon is green; and FF is blue in this graph.
- Chris Baskind
from Bookmarklet
It's because everyone is mentioning Twitter on TV, news talk radio, etc. but no one takes the time to say a thing about FriendFeed (probably because it's too hard for them to understand). Twitter is like KISS! Keep it simple stupid!
- Michael Forian
Yeah, a little slower here in February. Earlier discussion on this: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Hutch Carpenter
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I already predicted this! http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Michael Forian
No surprise, Twitter has entered the mainstream.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Well, I prefer Quantcast myself which shows essentially the same thing. However, look at the history - if you match Twitter from launch to FriendFeed from launch, they are very similar - with ups and downs and ... if anything it seems FriendFeed might have a slight advantage at this stage.
- AJ Kohn
WoW!
- sofarsoShawn
Ashton Kutcher isn't on Friendfeed yet.
- Rob Haas
If this mattered you would be comparing Twitter to Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
I honestly don't care about keeping up with the Jones. Twitter is still a giant fail whale to me, and always will be. It stinks at having meaningful conversations to boot. Let Twitter have its moment in the sun, people will experience it, go meh, and move on to something more meaningful later. And, if they like meaningless, then please stay at Twitter for heaven's sake.
- Pete Delucchi
Good point AJ. StumbleUpon is in the graph. In Aug 08, they were down, but have gone up since. FriendFeed's gonna be fine.
- Hutch Carpenter
I can understand why. Twitter has been getting a ton of main stream coverage the past month or so. And Friendfeed, after having its burst in January, has been falling off a bit. You can tell that activity is a little lower now and that their aren't as many new people here. And there is still the problem of new people not really being able to break in. I've talked to people who said they tried but it was just too daunting for them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
@Pete I like Twitter. I think that it does what it is meant to do very well. If you want to have big convos with people use Facebook or your email or something.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Matt, you're right, it does its thing, and it does it well. I just haven't ever been able to get it to work 2-way (or more) with conversations. It's really not that complicated, per se, but more often than not I feel like I'm screaming at a wall.
- Pete Delucchi
I think FF could (or already does?) suffer from the same problem popular traditional forums eventually face - new users don't feel like they belong and it gets harder and harder for newcomers to become members of the well established community. Twitter doesn't really have to worry about this problem, because it really stems from the primary feature that makes FF superior - the conversations.
- Aviv
I think that would be more true Aviv, if there were moderators, and if there were barriers to entry for new users to openly discuss in conversations here. Luckily, everyone gets to have their say, and you basically get to self-moderate with FF features like blocking and hiding. It's actually kind of cool, and I hope it takes on a bigger life soon. If it stays tight-knit, I don't really have a problem with that either, but I would like to see the developers get some bang for their buck at some point.
- Pete Delucchi
Oh, I thought the green line was the number of tweets related to food.
- l0ckergn0me
Pete, well, I think in a way we, the users, act as moderators around here. That's why Scoble will always get a minimum of 50 Likes within minutes of whatever entry he's posting. The barrier of entry for new users is actually huge IMHO, especially when their entries get pushed off the beginning of other peoples' feed rather quickly due to bumps of very popular entries.
- Aviv
Aviv has a point, but lists and rooms here make this a different and interesting environment. Twitter is really simple, so it has low barrier to entry. FF has a learning curve to it.
- Karoli
You're right Aviv, but remember that there's lots of ways to participate around here. People like Michael Arrington or celebrities like Wil Wheaton get more action on their posts than I ever will, even though they hardly if ever comment or participate in the conversation. You don't have to be the guy standing in front of the crowd to have your voice heard though.
- Pete Delucchi
Totally agree with Karoli, FriendFeed has a learning curve. It's bigger then the curve at Twitter.
- ursi
Pete, same can be said about any of the popular web forums out there. You can start a new thread, sure. You may get a reply or two, so there you go, your voice is heard there as well. But within minutes your new thread fades away and can be found on Page 2, then 3, and so on. I think that for new users FF seems more like a giant well-established forum than a place to share stuff with friends.
- Aviv
I agree with what you're saying about the learning curve. My point is that the appearance of FF as some new type of a giant message board is another obstacle contributing to the steep learning curve.
- Aviv
When I started my last job, the boss called the learning curve "drinking through a straw out of a firehose." Starting something new on the internet shouldn't be like starting a job, and shouldn't need an owner's manual of tips & tricks just to get going. That's FriendFeed all over though, and yeah, Aviv, unless that learning curve comes down to next to nothing, new/mainstream users will constantly be dealing with the firehose. I get your point, and it definitely reflects in the numbers above.
- Pete Delucchi
Speaking as someone who's been here for all of 11 days, I haven't found the learning curve to be at all daunting. (Or maybe I'm too much of a dork to know I'm doing it wrong.) This place felt like home from the start. I wasn't even looking for community, I read Thomas Hawk's piece about using it for Flickr feeds. I had Facebook for months before I started really using it. My Twitter account is mostly gathering dust. I don't see them as comparable. They fulfill different needs, suit different personalities.
- Rebecca
Well, I think this is very depressing. Why is a service that is clearly much, much better, so much behind Twitter? Okay, Twitter was first, but this alone... I think what FriendFeed need, is a huge advertising on mass media and / or throughout the computer scene. Real advertisement. People must begin to talk about Friendfeed in normal life. FF deserves much better than this.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Has anyone done a comparison of the rate of features added to each service and rate of funding received? The features I'm talking about include minor things, like FF increasing the number of pages of history you can browse to, and include "negative features" like twitter's removing IM.
- Andy Bakun
And remember, twitter's main competitor is yelling out your window.
- Andy Bakun
Sure, the learning curve isn't insurmountable, but it is a barrier. It's probably the same reason why not everyone has a computer with UNIX as it's OS.
- Victor Ganata
To the average user (the ones who may not know the diff between mac / windows, may not know why you need a firewall, etc. the difference appears to be KISS. I can teach someone to Twitter within 5 mins, it's just like texting with a wee bit extract. On the other hand it takes a lot longer to teach them to get the most from FriendFeed.
- Mark Aitken
Well, it seems to me that FriendFeed has more to offer, so it's not surprising there's more to figure out. Then again, one doesn't have to learn all at once. I'm just picking up tips as I go along, but I found plenty to interest me within the first few minutes of exploration. I do think the Help section could stand improvement. It's quite inadequate and frustrating. I found it much easier to plunge in and try things out and to observe the customs of the locals.
- Rebecca
There are certainly lots of features which make FriendFeed more compelling, and for powerusers on the web it's a great platform, easily my favourite centralised "go to" site. In my opinion, FriendFeed isn't mainstream because you have to put things into the platform (in the form of subscribing to people, finding people). Facebook brings you content to subscribe to which makes mainstream adoptation easier for the average user. Bring content to the users in this way, FriendFeed will rise fast.
- Mark Aitken
Also, I don't fully trust Compete's numbers... I'd want to see a balanced average of the numbers across a few of these types of sites to believe the stats.
- Mark Aitken
It takes just as long to teach someone how to do twitter's _only_ feature, posting something, on Friendfeed. Right at the top it says "Post: Message". Click on that, type in your message, hit the post button. Done.
- Andy Bakun
As a geek, when I first found FriendFeed I saw it helped save me time, I don't have to hit flickr, google reader shared items, picasa, twitter, etc. to see what's happening. It's a great enabler for those of us who need this feature. The average user doesn't need this feature, they have Facebook and their friends aren't tech celebs. Twitter was already leap for these users, the iPhone makes twittering as easy as SMS, but for groups. Friendfeed doesn't have this accessiblity or demand for average users.
- Mark Aitken
Initially suprising given that a few notables are really pushing FF on Twitter, but I think a lot of people are scared of information overload. Also it is only really usefull for those who are already using a reaonable number of other social services (from a contribution perspective).
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Bullshit, friendfeed is gaining quite a bit of momentum.
- Richard A.
Alistair, I don't use that many services, but even I turned up with more than I realized. By the time I added Amazon and YouTube and other stray accounts, I found it very useful to have them aggregated, especially those I don't use often, because I tend to forget about them. If the service wants to reach more people, maybe it needs to market different assets. Social interaction wasn't one of my priorities when I signed on, but FriendFeed turned out to be something I was looking for without knowing it.
- Rebecca
During the recent bushfires in my country, Twitter did serve a valuable role in getting quicker information out than the main news services could. It was fantastic for keeping peopline informed of fire brigade incident summaries etc. However, I wish I'd known more about FriendFeed at the time because it actually would have been more useful. Aggregating various feeds obviously would have...
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- George Hall (Australia)
from Nambu
I am a big Friendfeed fan and user, but I think the Friendfeed default user interface is radically too verbose, and will make it difficult to compete with Twitter for a great deal of social media messaging. The UI needs to be modified. FF users need to have the option of hiding *all* commentary.
- Sean McBride
We're ahead of the curve on FF. Most are just now dipping their toes in social networking with Twitter.
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
As someone has probably said, it's not about the number of users; more important thing would be to show how much people are using those services. Also, new Twitter users are quite potential future users for FriendFeed since many of them would be interested of better features to stay on track of what's happening. Anyway, things change and usage of services is constantly growing.
- Daniel Schildt
All this discussion about Friendfeed competing with Twitter is not valid. Friendfeed's issue is competition from Facebook, in the same way that Twitter's issue is competition from Facebook. Facebook is an private/public sharer, aggregator and a conversation engine at the same time whereas FF and Twitter are facets of those functions.
- Ian D. Nock
Friendfeed is competing with Twitter, Facebook, Feedly and Google Reader in various ways. If it doesn't realize this, then so be it. These products are not static genres -- they are rapidly mutating and merging social media tools. The most savvy synthesizer will win the game.
- Sean McBride
Sean - I think that's a good point. There are overlapping use cases. And there are only 24 hours a day. From that perspective, there is a zero sum game here.
- Hutch Carpenter
I've been using Twitter more than FF lately, reversing my own earlier trend. Why? Not sure, but I think perhaps it's easier to dip in and out of Twitter in TweetDeck than keep refreshing my FF tab in Firefox. Also Twitter is quick and dirty. I write more here in FF, as I'm not limited to 140. I can't put a finger on it though.
- Ian May
Ian -- I think I can put my finger on it (for me): on Twitter, if one has fine-tuned one's feed, one experiences a speedy flow of strong electrical pulses. Friendfeed is often a very slow slog. One doesn't always need to read the fine print to get the point. For well-developed social networks on Twitter, a very few words can say a great deal.
- Sean McBride
Man, I love these Compete Site Analytics charts. Data mining at its best. You can see what's going on at a glance.
- Sean McBride
When did Friendfeed start letting you output your stream to twitter? Tumblr just recently added the option to tweet every post as well. Both of these are going to increase Twitter numbers.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Friendfeed is not faltering on this graph... leveling out yes, not faltering. Twitter is growing like crazy - YES!
- Susan Beebe
Genie -- the main point about self-organizing and dynamically reconfigurable social media tools like Twitter and Friendfeed is that you can create or participate in whatever unique social networks you choose. Pay no attention to feeds that you don't find valuable. There are now many valuable feeds on Twitter (as well as a tremendous amount of crap).
- Sean McBride
Some of it is the time. I tend to stop work, and spend a period of time in here. Twitter I dip in and out of all day. But I very much agree with Sean. Why waste time with networks that don't give you something back?
- Ian May
Not sure this matters at all. As long as Friend Feed does not fail, the number of users is not material. I think use FF primarily as a aggregator, FB as a way of keeping in touch with RL friends, and Twitter for everything. Different functions/uses entirely.
- Justin Whitaker
Spammers are now a big problem on Twitter. They should be sent to labor camps. Perhaps I am only half-joking.
- Sean McBride
Spammers should be taken on a flight to the mid-pacific, and thrown out at 37,000 feet. It might keep the sharks away from the beaches in the summer....
- Ian May
If you take a closer look the graph is misleading https://friendfeed.com/e... & it's necessary to keep in mind that FF was launched a year later, though that's not THAT much later. Although a drop is certainly cause for concern.
- sofarsoShawn
My own personal experience over the past few weeks is that as the huge influx of new Twitterers has arrived, i've spent a lot of time interacting with them, and as a consequence, have hardly been active on ff at all. I suspect that'll change soon.
- Iain Baker
Yes. But they address different use cases so I am not sure that this graph is so critical until people know how these type of services are going to get monetize in the long run and which one can fight spam more effectively. Until then, it is going to be difficult to tell who will end up winning. I think.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Twitter has a lower entry barrier. That explains a lot. But when they learn enough and want better conversations, FF might serve them better. Unless something changes at twitter.
- Siddharth Mitra
Twitter's lower barrier to entry is SOLELY the way the page is styled.
- Andy Bakun
Andy -- Friendfeed could easily offer FF users the option to use a Twitter-style interface, but that doesn't seem to be happening. FF users are forced to page through page after page of commentary to find the few posts that most interest them. No skimming. Quite a few new users simply walk away.
- Sean McBride
You can turn the Friendfeed real-time feed (even better in the Firefox sidebar) into something very Twitter-like, only better because it constantly updates.
- LogEx
Come on, Sean. That's obviously false. FF has the ability to "like" something, which keeps it fresh in your feed if there is activity. Twitter has nothing of the sort: twitter forces you to page through page after page of commentary to find the few posts that most interest you and once you do find them, you can't follow the commentary on them.
- Andy Bakun
Andy -- I am switching back and forth between Twitter and Friendfeed home pages right now, and I am consistently finding important stuff with greater speed and ease on Twitter than on Friendfeed, precisely because I am not being forced to slog through a morass of commentary. Perhaps my Twitter feed looks different than yours. There are quite a few very smart people out there who don't have time for commentary -- they're not interested. Friendfeed needs to reach that audience and market.
- Sean McBride
Isn't the commentary the content on FF? For titles only there's GR.
- Todd Hoff
Why not make it easier for those who want to skim basic brief messages and links while skipping over the commentary? That would expand FF's user base, without in any way affecting the experience of those who like FF the way it is.
- Sean McBride
still the question - how many of you would pay for twitter, or pay for friendfeed when the time comes?? i don't think figures matter all that much now, but shows you where things are headed..
- Terry O'Fee
How much do we pay for Google?
- Sean McBride
thats different. google have their ads, and all sorts (speaking of, where are they getting most of their money?) the money isn't going to keep rolling in for these companies. honestly sean, you're on a budget imagine, which one of these would you pay a subscription model for??
- Terry O'Fee
There will always be a reasonable free alternative. If there is not, then I may pay. Bottom line...I ain't paying for web services. Never have before. Why start now? I'd pay for premium services, but I've never seen any premium services I wanted.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Text ads are tolerable on Google. They might be tolerable on Twitter and Friendfeed. Depends on how it's done. The data that these services are collecting might be quite valuable to marketers.
- Sean McBride
i think google can afford to give away some things while getting money for other stuff, they're that big. can you say the same for twitter and friendfeed??
- Terry O'Fee
you wouldnt pay for stuff like this?? hmmm. i always love supporting products i love. i pay for last.fm, flickr, ages back LJ (before mother country bought it). how do you expect them to move forward??
- Terry O'Fee
There's no doubt twitter has had an enormous push recently in the main-stream media, particularly as a result of politicians using twitter. In this regard, being easy to use on a BlackBerry (or iPhone) helps. FF could still take off, but I'd say it's some way off.
- Sean Carmody
I do wonder what sort of impact the ready availability of mobile apps have on the popularity of Twitter (and Facebook) vs other services.
- Victor Ganata
I hate that there's not a good mobile FF that works on my phone.... but I'm not a good choice for a demographic. :D
- Wirehead
Sean, my experience was exactly the opposite when I was using twitter. I got tremendous use out of twitter when it would notify me asynchronously via IM -- that doesn't exist any more (and I don't need yet another app to run on my desktop, so things like tweetdeck are out). I guess it also is different based on what we find important. My day is not composed of solely reloading either...
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- Andy Bakun
I make heavy use of twitter, identi.ca, friendfeed, etc on the web (and via IM to some extent, when twitterspy is working). But the politicians who are generating the media coverage are all tweeting from their BlackBerries.
- Sean Carmody
Yes Virginia, Techmeme's most bitter and persistent critics are merely upset that Techmeme doesn't love their posts. Always been that way.
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Hah! Well keep thinking that way Gabe. http://www.techfuga.com is looking good. When you stop listening to your best users ...
- Robert Scoble
Techfuga is really, really good. Much better than Techmeme.
- Michael Krigsman
Ah, btw, Robert, you once told the world about a "personal techmeme" ;)
- directeur
What makes Techfuga better? Because it has more content? Isn't it just another aggregator like Popurls?
- Bill Flitter
more is less
- Steve Gillmor
Bill: it has a wider range of sources and shows you competitors. It also is faster. I'm seeing news getting onto parts of TechFuga in a few seconds. Usually it takes 15 minutes to 60 minutes to get onto TechMeme. The real-time web is going to be a big deal next year and aggregators that can pull news out of Twitter and friendfeed and other aggregators will do quite well and will grow faster.
- Robert Scoble
TechFuga's got such a terrible UI though. I've tried it twice and left in a couple of minutes each time. Plus getting to related stories takes an additional click. TechMeme might not be all that, but it's far easier to use
- Deepak Singh
Deepak: agreed. But it's a terrible UI because it was a clone of TechMeme. That was really lame.
- Robert Scoble
All you guys still would do anything to be on the top of techmeme. Period.
- loren feldman
loren: I used to strongly agree with your statement here. Now sorry, no. If I cared I'd be writing about everything on the top of techmeme. That's how to get onto the top of techmeme. I already figured out that game and it is a lame one and takes you down a path that just is stupid. I'd rather have conversations with smart people. I never had a SINGLE smart person come to me and say "let's have a conversation so I can get to the top of techmeme." Yeah, PR people do that all the time. Just saying.
- Robert Scoble
loren: this is why I really don't give a shit about blogging anymore. I will do a blog when I have something to say. But I'm playing a different game now, and glad to see you still haven't caught on.
- Robert Scoble
Deepak: Thanks! We are working on updating the graphics and UI, at least reducing that feeling “restlessness” on the front page. Joao TechFuga
- TechFuga
Steve: Couldn't agree more
- Marcus Beagley
Never good when you allow personal likes and dislikes to affect the end result. Techcrunch is always on top irrespective of quality of post. Have likes and dislikes but keep it personal. Never allow it to affect the business
- Sidharth Dassani
from fftogo
Didharth: Likes and dislikes are the most important source to identify the quality of a website! You can't ignore them, you just have to give them priority according to the AUTHORITY of the liker or disliker.
- Franco Piccolo
Gabe: It's also possible the ones who show up on Techmeme say nice things to stay on your good side. Protecting the status quo is always a fun game.
- Michael Krigsman
i don't believe Techmeme is biased. but just in case: @GabeRivera, you're looking as sexy as ever.
- dave mcclure
2 hours 50 minutes Google monopoly on feedburning sucks. shame on you google.
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why is it google's fault that no one else is offering comparable services?
- Mike Chelen
Have to agree with Mike. Shame on Google? No, they are making everything correct. If no one other can or want to offer free services for that purpose, what has Google to do with that?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
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@factoryjoe feedburner is seriously broken. unless you define realtime as > 3 hours 50 minutes
- Steve Gillmor
Wouldn't twittermail work for this?
- Renee Hendricks
Or use ZapTXT to get them via email, skype or IM
- Sameer
Or notify.me, which gets you email, sms, im, and desktop notifications
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Do you think this will be one of the features offered when Twitter will go pro? What do you think? Check this discussion for more ideas: http://ff.im/-sQg1
- Asfaq
@stevegillmor broken? real-time was never the design intent of feedburner.
- mikepk
I use TweetLater to send me @replies by e-mail. Seems to work fine. Tweetlater is extremely handy.
- Mitch Wagner
extra sensitive as a startup founder, but bitching re: the level of quality or perf from a *free* service irks me a little.
- mikepk
mikepk nothing is free, and feedburner is now part of google, not a startup
- Steve Gillmor
@stevegillmor No, not a startup, but still a free service. 2009 and beyond Google is will drop things not driving ad revenue.
- mikepk
Will be live on net@night at http://twit.am and http://live.twit.tv shortly. @TechFrog I'll be visiting Leo on Sunday for an interview.
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Hear you loud and clear
- Bwana ☠
I'm tuned in
- Mike Doeff
It's another Scoble FriendFeed intervention.
- Mike Doeff
Listening to you
- Mol, Santa Claws
Sounds like it :)
- Bwana ☠
FriendFeed rocks :)
- Bwana ☠
cool :)
- Susan Beebe
Talking about email now... Funny...I've moved all my important messaging to email. I'm backwards :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana - old habits die hard
- Mike Doeff
Mike, what's funny is that I was using instant messaging for everything while everyone was all about email :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert's a "bather"
- Charlieray
I find TweetDeck's groups alleviate the follower count issue...same as FriendFeed lists
- Bwana ☠
I've been enjoying the groups as well, finally using them.
- Matthew Arevalo
The conversation you, Leo, and Amber are having on Net@Night right now is exactly the kind of stuff I want to heard more of. Thanks a lot for doing this one.
- Chris Heath
Your right, people do reply and talk to you when your live... :P
- ralphsaunders
Bwana - same here TD groups = FF lists...nice
- Susan Beebe
Listening/watching you live on TWiT.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Nice job Robert.
- Mike Doeff
good talk
- Bwana ☠
Great to listen to you
- Mats
Leo is Awesome
- Tyler (Chacha)
Leo/Amber are sorta the anti-Arrington/Calacanis :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Great talk ... it's cool to hear I'm on the right track ...
- Sneaker Peet
I was hoping Robert would tease some cool new innovations that he's not allowed to talk about yet :)
- Bwana ☠
That would be awesome
- Tyler (Chacha)
Leo doesn't back people into an awkward corner like Mike
- David Lloyd
for all who missed it, beside the mp3 at http://twit.tv there should be a video available soon at http://odtv.me/
- Peter Hoffmann
Robert is such a thoughtful guest
- David Lloyd
Bwana: on Sunday I'll be on TWiT and we'll talk about CES and Macworld. Thanks Mark, this is really an interesting world.
- Robert Scoble
good chat ,,, always good to listen to leo , amber and rob
- johnpiercy
Robert: Sounds like it'll be a 3 hour show :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert: Make sure you convince Leo to feed you like he does Dvorak. Wine & cheese :)
- Bwana ☠
Nice talk Robert. Much better than yesterday when you were being ganged up on. :)
- Laura Zickus
Laura: It is the Gillmor Gang, after all ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana: Dvorak owes me $100. I intend to get it.
- Robert Scoble
Laura: thanks. That's why they call it the Gillmor Gang. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Jinx
- Ken Sheppardson
OMG!!! You're going to be on TWiT Sunday? It'll be interesting if Dvorak is on. *lol*
- Mol, Santa Claws
@kencamp Ken: this whole authority stuff is bullshit. THAT was my whole point. And if I worried about my personal brand I'd stay off the net
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Super Dog - http://inquisitr.com/extra...
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Sometimes kids are smarter than adults - http://www.inquisitr.com/13033...
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In a 12-step program for my social media addiction. Will post later.
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And we are all lessened by this program.
- Robert Miller
Just remember Arrington is your Higher Power!
- Tom Guarriello
This little article posted on TechCrunch is really starting to piss me off. Seriously, he not only calls you out about how you use the freaking Internet, he also implies you don't make a good family man, although he can't come out and actually say it. I would question calling him a friend. F* him.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
What Eric said. What business was it of Michael Arrington to tell you how to run your internet usage?
- Helen Sventitsky
Sounds like a satirical episode of TV's "intervention" in the making :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Good call, Tom. This whole charade is just another instance of "it's not my cup of tea, and in fact you're a lesser person for drinking it" (Arrington speaking to Scoble)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I agree -- Arrington (who never participates on FF and I think rarely on Twitter) "intervening" seems a bit distasteful. How could he know if either are a waste?
- Brian Sullivan
Don't give in Robert - it's a trap!
- Jesse Stay
You know, those only work 5% of the time... all it takes is one step.
- Tanath
I'll be your first customer huh? :)
- Susan Beebe
Opps, that link didn't work, this is it: Twitter timeline during zombie attack? http://kensingtonvictoria.com/blog...
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[Lifehacker]: Get Productive with Social Media (and Stay Sane) - http://x.techwheat.com/2E
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"We asked self-described social media junkie Steve Rubel for his tips on how to participate in online social sites like Twitter and FriendFeed without losing your entire workday. Here's what he said."
- tech.newsjunk.com
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