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hackernewsbot: The problem with taking seed money from big VCs... http://cdixon.org/?p=256 - http://twitter.com/hackern...
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Digging Chris' blog
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Please clue me in: what do Tweetdeck/Seesmic/etc. offer that I can't get by separately visiting FB & Twitter sites?
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Perhaps immediacy? But I don't need that. Anything else?
- Adam Lasnik
The false sense of security that a million cats have successfully been wrangled?
- Bill Strathearn
For twitter, I know lots of people created lists with Tweetdeck. Now that Twitter has it's own lists, that's not as important. But Tweetdeck lets you do more with your lists, I think.
- Laura Norvig
Plus, Tweetdeck has nice looking column layout so you can see your lists, replies, full stream all at once.
- Laura Norvig
Grouping a subset of users is the major benefit.
- Louis Gray
I use Seesmic (although recently it hasn't been working, so I temporarily switched to Mixero) and for me the biggest benefit is to be able to manage 2 separate Twitter accounts in a practical way. Overall, I just find that these clients are more practical in terms of filtering people and content.
- Patricia Müller
Bill... heh! Laura, I'm almost afraid to ask what more is needed ;). But nicer views, okay, that I can understand. Louis, isn't that grouping now unnecessary, given Twitter's Lists? Patricia, I can't even seem to manage one twitter account :P. But you raise a good point re: filtering content -- I guess that's re: saved searches, right? But can't you also do that via Twitter? I guess it comes down to the able-to-see-more-at-once, right?
- Adam Lasnik
Exactly. My primary reason for using a client was the double account issue (and yes, it's a little overwhelming, but I need to keep connections in both languages). So that reason alone justified using a client for me. Now, filtering content came as a secondary benefit as I started having to sort through everything a lot of Twitter users usually do, but in 2 different languages. (both...
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- Patricia Müller
Ah, okay, that makes sense Patricia. Thanks for the info!
- Adam Lasnik
Tweetdeck has retweet and direct message buttons, Twitter doesn't. (Although it has buggy pull-down menus for DMs)
- Spidra Webster
I lean towards Tweetie2 and SimplyTweet (iPhone apps)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
hmm... just tried both Tweetdeck and Seesmic. Neither of them utilize the Friend Groups built into FB; TD invites users to completely recreate new TD-only FB Friend Groups. No thanks. :(
- Adam Lasnik
Columns are key, even if you mostly handle just one account. You can see the tweets mentioning you or replying to you without switching back and forth.
- Paola Bonomo
I can absolutely see how that stuff is useful for at-a-glancing, but I also feel it's a massive distraction and major info-overload. I am a curmudgeon for the most part when it comes to real-timing. There's very little in life that I need to know Right Now, very little that can't wait for a nightly (or even weekly) browse-through.
- Adam Lasnik
I think it's more important for people who manage a social media presence for a brand. They need to know right away if someone mentions them or @replies them.
- Laura Norvig
I use Twhirl and it's only because of multiple accounts and easy of posting to Twitter and identi.ca. The Twitter website has always been crap for me. In Twhirlw with just one click, I can retweet, reply, DM, lookup a user, see all tweets from a user, etc. Bonus is that it's fast. The Twitter website is slow and unfunctional.
- Anika
Seesmic & TweetDeck were both built as Twitter apps. FB is an add-on and not nearly as developed. I use Seesmic to manage multiple accounts (about me, work, & interest-specific), user lists, and to handle saved searches.
- Cianna Stewart
you just answered your own question...it lets you not have to visit both sites separately
- brainno722 (Peter)
oh yeah, everyone else has "retweet" except twitter.com (well, they gave it to selected users)...
- brainno722 (Peter)
Peter makes a point. My browser (Flock) has FB and Twitter built-in. I can post, reply, DM and retweet, right from my broswer without going to the Twitter website (YAY). Only problem is that there are sometimes day long delays of seeing updated tweets from others. The FB sucks. I can see what my friends post, but to reply I'm forced to FB. BUT...if I want to share blog posts, Flicker, tweets or chat with FB, I can do all of that without visiting the FB website.
- Anika
Infodensity. I can look at my screen with Seesmic running on it and get a lot more information than just running twitter.com.
- Robert Scoble
I think it depends on how you want to use Twitter. As a tool then you would use Tweetdeck etc and if just for casual following .com does the job
- Khuram Hussain
Hey everyone, I appreciate the clue'ing in. Now the benefits are much more clear to me. Once again, the FF community shines through :-)
- Adam Lasnik
you can use columns in tweetdeck to setup searchs based on keywords, that is not possible in twitter currently, you would have to manually search each keyword separately if using twitter, also you can log in to your twitter and facebook accounts and see all updates from one interface, also, haven't tried it in tweetdeck but with seismic desktop you can log into multiple accounts at the...
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- Loc
My 23 year-old sister signs up for Twitter, cancels. "Saw no point in the account."
Daniel Schildt, Mark Douglass, Sandra Large and 55 other people liked this
From this evening. Another thrilling Friday night.
- Louis Gray
Whenever I am on Twitter my gf never fails to remind me how stupid and pointless she thinks it is
- Holden Page
So someone in *your* family doesn't grok Twitter either. My brother says he'll never even set up a Twitter account at all; he sees no point either. Apparently these people see the words "What are you doing?" above the text box and think it's nothing but the Facebook status update without Facebook. Some people just don't get it at all...
- Dennis Jernberg
In *my* family (asterisks per Dennis), most of them use Facebook. Nobody else uses Twitter at all.
- Louis Gray
in my family everyone uses Facebook as well, my mom has a twitter account, she never touches it, she thinks it is dumb.
- Holden Page
Sure enough, Facebook is exactly what everybody in my family but me uses, too! Well, I'm on Facebook too, but I don't use it like they do. For one thing, I don't play any of the games; I hide them instead. And none of them has even heard of FriendFeed...
- Dennis Jernberg
hahaha that is epic!! Twittter got dissed by Ms Gray :D
- Susan Beebe
My family is the same. Twitter is pointless to them. There's so much more than just status updates to them.
- Jesse Stay
Well, I don't get Twitter either. Anyone want to explain it to me?
- Cristo
It's not fun when you sign up and have no friends / people to interact with...and all the interesting people only talk to each other. All my friends didn't "see a point" until they built their own network(s). Just sayin'
- Mona Nomura
My wife is also that way, btw - I may *just* be able to get her to join FourSquare though.
- Jesse Stay
Social media circle jerk.
- Cristo
Jesse, it took a lot of work, but i got my gf to join FriendFeed haha
- Holden Page
As if Twitter is some brilliant thing that only a certain so-called tech crowd gets.
- Cristo
My sister has known that I've used Twitter for several years now. Whenever I brought it up, that was her reaction, "Don't get it. Don't see the point." She created an account a month or so ago and she's totally into it now. When I asked her what made the difference, she shrugged and said she wasn't sure. "Your friends started using it, didn't they?" I asked her. "Yes." heh. :D
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Why don't you guys go have this conversation on Twitter? :)
- Cristo
Pfff. Cristo, you know full well twitter can't deal with the c word. :)
- Micah Wittman
I will make the bold prediction that most of my brothers and sisters will never join or use Twitter. I have one brother that does, occasionally, but the rest will never, ever use it. There's no point when they can get the same thing from Facebook and more.
- Jesse Stay
Mona - nailed it! :)
- Susan Beebe
Re Mona: I myself didn't even bother to sign up for Twitter till this last June, when I discovered an existing online songwriting community I belong to had a Twitter presence. That's when I set up my account and started to use Twitter. Then I found that some of the NaNoWriMo offshoots I take part in also had a Twitter presence. That was the beginning. Since then I've built up a much...
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- Dennis Jernberg
my girlfriend has no interest in it either. she uses facebook for all her net communication needs and is quite happy...
- Terry O'Fee
I got all my friends to sign up for Twitter, all found it pointless. So, I really don't get the point either. I'll delete mine too. :D
- Faraz Mullick
This is why I am on most social networks.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Only a few of my real-life friends are even on Facebook, and the ones that are rarely update. The social web can be pretty disappointing sometimes.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
Most everyone I know is on Facebook now, with a few exceptions that refuse to use much of anything on the internet except for youtube and blogs. Nobody gets the point of twitter, especially with facebook/friendfeed offering the same type of communication options, if not more. However, the nice thing about twitter/friendfeed is that it's searchable. The other day I was watching the events from Fort Hood unfold on twitter. I couldn't do that easily on facebook. That's where twitter shines.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
My Second Life avatar started on Twitter in the good old days, when everyone you followed followed you back. But my real life account has about 20 followers, so it only really works as a reader - and that rocks.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
second life.. i read books like snow crash, get excited and find SL nothing like it ;)
- Terry O'Fee
If new users have no followers and fail to get the reader part, of course they stop. And the statistics confirm that.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
I do agree. It is really difficult to convince someone to use twitter. And even if I do, they don't stay active on the service. They too state "I don't see any point in the service". Often are the times when they are convincing me it is nothing but a blog platform with 140 characters limit.
- Amit
I've learned that it's not a good idea to try to convince friends to join Twitter. Unless they get it, they will simply annoy you with Facebook style Tweets. Better to seek out Twitter users who have learned the knack of posting interesting Tweets.
- Jimmy Walker
If she doesn't get it, or anyone else for that matter, be glad they're on their way. Twitter never worked for me either and I'm happily not participating as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I just realized I've been forgetting to tell them to start by following interesting people and not even think about posting their own tweets for the first little while (Robert's advice) - I wonder if that would make more of a difference.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
My 25 year old brother said the same thing.
- Rochelle
My family is a Facebook family as well.
- Trish R
She's ahead of the curve. Take note.
- EBrewer
I see Twitter as another information portal, and a social channel (albeit limited). For those things it's great. I don't use facebook all that much, but it's good to chat with old friends to say howdy and share current happenings. I'm me no matter what social hub I'm on, but the local laws/rules/community etiquette fits my preferences better in some virtual hangouts.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
My daughter of about the same age also got and shortly thereafter canceled a twitter account.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Twitter is useful as a minimalist news broadcasting system. Twitter is worse than useless as a medium for conversation. I mostly use Twitter in combination with Topsy searches to pluck off the most interesting news stories of the day on selected topics. Without Topsy, I would stop using Twitter entirely because of the information overload.
- Sean McBride
Mona's point is pretty much spot on. I kind of "imported" a Revision 3 forum network into Twitter, which led to FriendFeed, which had sort of a recursive bend back into Twitter, which led to finding Twitter recommendations, which then opened me up to following people from IRL, and then...ah crap. I've stopped using Twitter as much, though, because Facebook is where the people I CARE about really are. And in case you're wondering, I'm friends with Mona on Facebook ;)
- Mike Nayyar
I've hit a wall trying to get my friends to sign up for Twitter. It's like they've got an image issue. Whenever I try to explain it's value for news and as RSS replacement, people sort of stop listening. They're left thinking it's Facebook without the "fun stuff," which is lesser and redundant for them.
- Jeremiah Green
Is it fair to say that the tweets related to tech news that some folks think are so wonderful and important are primarily links to web sites, blogs, new articles, and so on produced by someone other than the tweeter? So far as I've seen, subscribing to, say, all the employees of a company doesn't produce much news about the company; instead you see posts about where the employees ate lunch and stuff like that. Of course I may just not be looking at the right people.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Unless you have a defined business strategy, there really is not much point to Twitter, unless you just want to connect for fun, which is under my business strategy :)
- Steve Borgman
Actually I don't see the point either, but I'm still here :)
- scott willeke
I keep a Twitter account just for a case of emergency, because it gets translated everywhere, and their mobile client is the lightest.
- 9000
Young people don't get Twitter so much.
- Hutch Carpenter
I am old Hutch and I don't get it
- VAL D.
I have all three FB, FF and Twitter - FB is for people I know personally save very few exceptions, FF & Twiiter overlap and are people I tend to follow but I dont know from adam - I prefer FF tho . I now have GW as of last night but am still struggling to get the hang of it- will lose my twitter acct I think
- viki saigal
SuezanneC has summed twitter up quite well. None of my family use twitter, took me ages to 'get it' but although my family all use Facebook, I don't like it. I stay to keep in touch with them.
- Sandra Large
Dude, that's my Mom! Not cool!
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Your mom's silhouette is... never mind.
- Stephen Mack
Funny stuff
- Nate
Oh my Kevin, oh my...
- Hutch Carpenter
I have sat on this since Kevin posted this... But I can wait no longer........... "der ner ner der ner ner ner... Foxy Lady"
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
You guys: Twitter is hiring a CRAP LOAD of people! - http://twitter.com/jobs
Kol Tregaskes, anjelina, Sean Kelly and 13 other people liked this
All of those are in San Francisco. No remoting then. :(
- Roberto Bonini
What, they don't want a doula? Isn't anyone pregnant over there?
- Rochelle
Whale poo takes a lot to clean off
- Johnny Worthington
ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
Don't be haters - this is an AMAZING opportunity and a great resume builder. Heck, I'd apply.
- Mona Nomura
Aside from not knowing scala and Ruby, I have most of what they want. Wonder if I can remote in from the UK.
- Roberto Bonini
I'm not hating :) But I don't live in the States, have anything to offer them or use the service frequently... There's nothing left for me to do but make funnies
- Johnny Worthington
Too bad I'm not interested in moving.
- joey
Google Redefines Disruption: The “Less Than Free” Business Model - http://abovethecrowd.com/2009...
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less than free is better than free... whee....
- Jeremy Zawodny
For some reason this move by Google raises hair on the back of my neck.
- Sean Kelly
Amazing stuff indeed!
- Paulo Gaspar
if Twitter lists = the new authority & Obama is only person more "important" than Pete Cashmore, then all hope is lost. http://www.bivingsreport.com/2009...
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Ha. :)
- Louis Gray
Authority is NOT how many lists you are on.
- Robert Scoble
hmm...some cases WISHING that DID = authority!~ imagine what that would be like...
- Heather O'Sullivan Canney
hahaha! (Robert - THANK YOU for clarifying that!)
- Susan Beebe
Using the XMPP service - Google App Engine - Google Code - http://code.google.com/intl...
Sean Kelly liked this
I was on EconTalk with Russ Roberts last week: http://www.econtalk.org/archive... Finally got a chance to listen, and think it came out pretty good :) Let me know what you think.
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Cool, checking it out now...
- Susan Beebe
I agree that it came out pretty good. Is that the raw conversation, or is it edited?
- Gary Burd
Thanks Gary. It's the raw conversation, I believe.
- Paul Buchheit
this is really good... :) that's because Paul is uber smart and that makes this really fun
- Susan Beebe
I was pleasantly surprised to see it show up on my iPhone. Great conversation.
- Cliff Gerrish
I listened earlier this week and liked it.
- Bruce Lewis
Russ rocks! I'm an avid Econtalk viewer . I thought the interview was good and useful considering I work on the product you championed.
- Hareesh Nagarajan
I was listening to the show while running some errands this afternoon. Had to give friend feed a try and more importantly see the toe shoes.
- Eric Nelson
very good Paul so open and honest
- Thomas Power
Just got to listen. Nice podcast, I liked the perspective on Google, on mindshare problems, and how you got your "toe shoes" in there :) Thanks!
- Vincent van Wylick
Great interview Paul.
- τorƍue
We're having some network problems at the moment, but are working bring FriendFeed back as soon as possible.
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Thanks, Paul. it's back and working fine!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
yay :)
- Holden Page
oh finally!.. i guess i cant live without it. internet seemed useless :(
- orkun[:]tiramisuadam
i didn't really notice any problems, but then again i just sat down here about a half hour ago
- Chris Heath
I'm getting error messages still .
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Guys, I was just joking with that comment I made to Jennifer: http://friendfeed.com/mediaph...
- Bruce Lewis
THE LAST DAYS OF THE POLYMATH - http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content...
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"The monomaths do not only swarm over a specialism, they also play dirty. In each new area that Posner picks—policy or science—the experts start to erect barricades. “Even in relatively soft fields, specialists tend to develop a specialised vocabulary which creates barriers to entry,” Posner says with his economic hat pulled down over his head. “Specialists want to fend off the generalists. They may also want to convince themselves that what they are doing is really very difficult and challenging. One of the ways they do that is to develop what they regard a rigorous methodology—often mathematical. “The specialist will always be able to nail the generalists by pointing out that they don’t use the vocabulary quite right and they make mistakes that an insider would never make. It’s a defence mechanism. They don’t like people invading their turf, especially outsiders criticising insiders."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
There is definitely a place for polymaths in some form: someone needs to be that people-person guy from Office Space who takes information from two or more disparate groups to form a coherent picture. But the requirement of an agreed lexicon from specialists isn't a defense mechanism: there's a lot of time that can be spent on trying to flesh out terms which could be better spent...
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- Mark Trapp
I do think there is a tendency for specialists to overcomplicate things though. Even though I know quite a bit about computers, I still don't know what people are talking about half of the time (and it usually turns out to be something simple). Making up fancy terms makes the work seem so much more magical and important, like you're on the Star Trek or something. Now go realign the tachyon beams with the anti-matter stabilizers :)
- Paul Buchheit
Haha. My background is in philosophy, where everything one can talk about probably has an -ism or a -ness or a -itude attached to it. The terms lock out people who only dabble in the hard problems, but they are great shorthand for those who are versed in it. Descartes writes about a philosophy of mind in his Meditations on First Philosophy, and a bunch of people over the course of 300...
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- Mark Trapp
Me likey
- Michael Ehline
"The question is whether their loss has affected the course of human thought. Polymaths possess something that monomaths do not. Time and again, innovations come from a fresh eye or from another discipline. Most scientists devote their careers to solving the everyday problems in their specialism. Everyone knows what they are and it takes ingenuity and perseverance to crack them. But breakthroughs—the sort of idea that opens up whole sets of new problems—often come from other fields."
- Clare Dibble
The problem with specialization is that when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Then if you encounter a screw, and hammering a screw is precisely the wrong thing to do. That's why you need generalists.
- Piaw Na
it's axiomatic that: a specialist is someone who knows more and more about less and less, until he finally knows everything about nothing
- Ervin
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert A Heinlein
- Bill de hÓra
I have to disagree with you Mark, as also having a background in philosophy, I find it is just as easy to get locked into a semantic argument about some term as it is a possible shortcut to a broader discussion. Most of time time I find people who throw around -isms would prefer not to discuss things deeply because they don't want to ever re-evaluate the basics, it's too frightening,...
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- Ňicķ
@joewilcox yes but Android doesn't have the rest of iphone's experience and 85,000 apps.
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Robert, it doesn't now. But give it time. It's not like the IPhone launch with 85000 apps.
- archaictree
archaictree: Android is definitely best in class to take on the iPhone, so far. But we still need to see an inspiring device running it. So far? No.
- Robert Scoble
The iphone launched with no apps, no sdk. Have a little faith in Android.
- Roberto Bonini
What rbonini said.
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
even with sub-technology devices, android phones are so much more fun and interesting than iPhones. I never for a second considered returning my G1, while the iPhone went back inside 2 weeks.
- Matthew DeVries
I always feel like Al on Quantum Leap with mine, constantly driving/pushing it to do way more than it's really capable of, smacking it around and shaking it. I can turn on every antenna, radio, processor, sensor and camera at one time if I want to and watch the battery just drain faster than a power supply can charge it. It's glorious. It's mine, and I can do what ever I want with it. There's never a second of frustration of "oh, but I can't, with it."
- Matthew DeVries
I think it may end up being a nice alternative to the iphone provided enough early adapters and developers warm up to it.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
the iPhone is a locked down, limited featurephone. Without Apple's marketing, it's just another featurephone. Other featurephones, such as the Samsung Eternity can do the same things for less money. Of the apps getting downloaded, only a few are being used. I mean, how many different Twitter apps does a user need? People are starting to say that the iPhone's getting old. A smartphone is so much more powerful, flexible and capable. Why use an app, when you can go just bookmark a site in a smartphone browser?
- Tim Jones
big number of apps... now how many are actually... apps?
- Holden Page
I wrote you all a post about apps and iPHones: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Ding ding ding ding. Holden has a brilliant point. I can think of a few examples, that shall remain nameless in the intrests of keeping this thread SFW, off the top of my head.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Holden: it's a bit hard to count all the apps. But everytime I go to Appsfire I see many many more apps than I can count.
- Robert Scoble
Yet.Though of the majority of iPhone apps I've seen, I'd say roughly 83,000 of those 85,000 are useless and the result of someone wanting to jump on the iphone-app-get-rich-quick bandwagon.
- Ciaoenrico
Exactly. Give Android time.
- Rodney Taylor
apple has 200 million itunes users with credit card details
- Loc
Robert: What is a must have app that is missing on Android?
- scott anderson
What I keep wondering is: Is iPhone better simply because it was there first? Sure it has a lot of apps - it also had a good long head start. I don't think that puts the Pre or Android at as much of a disadvantage, as they can learn from the iPhone's mistakes. (Mistakes like using AT&T as a carrier, for example.)
- Ciaoenrico
scott: it's not one app. It's the grouping of them. And NONE of my cool apps were on the Android last time I looked. Yes, there were copies, but they weren't as good.
- Robert Scoble
The nice thing about Android is that the apps are evolving into features that work together. I doubt that you will see this anytime soon on the iDon't devices. Apple's architecture is approaching a point of diminishing returns. Android is just getting started on demonstrating the possibilities of openness and collaboration at the software component level.
- scott anderson
At some point Robert, you reach a point of what us in the optics word call empty magnification. Great. 85,000. Is it different from 60,000? From 20,000? The real question/test? Name ONE you have that isn't replicated in WebOS, Android, or WinMo.
- Matthew DeVries
That's a good point Hisham - I was just thinking that the other day, that I can't believe iPhone still hasn't deployed any of the drug interactions apps, or the stuff that Vets and Psychologists use, the patient intake software. That keeps the entire biotech/biomed world on Blackberry.
- Matthew DeVries
It would be interesting if someone could count how many actual apps are on iPhone, how many are games, and how many in that 85,000 are garbage(content posing as apps). As I recall that company in Pakistan alone had nearly a thousand garbage content apps for $5. Shows you how flawed the app store is that Apple kept approving them. Another company had a similar number.
- Ed Millard
A better argument to make is the one you made here Robert, that there are a number of very good apps which make the iPhone, not that there are 85,000, most of which are junk.
- Ed Millard
Robert I am very happy with my HTC Hero and I believe in Android :) You forget that Europe is not USA Consider these events http://androidcamp-berlin.mixxt.de/ and http://droidcon.de/de... Germany believe in Android
- Roldano De Persio of FF
Roldano: when I go to Europe and even Israel I see iPHones EVERYWHERE.
- Robert Scoble
85.000 apps, yes. 80.000 stupid games, and 4.500 unuseful apps :P
- Alessio ~ Bl@ster
That is funny but not true.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Whilst folks are saying give Android time it has no apps. The iPhone Store is one of those first mover advantage situations that Robert clearly points out will be very hard to budge.
- Sean Kelly
iPhones are the dominant product in a niche market. They're the winners now, but there will always be room for someone else to come in and do it better.
- Ciaoenrico
Andriod apps are based on Java. Just count the number of developers and very stable applications (most open source) are available for them. It is very likely that Andriod apps would scale iphone when this developer lot will take a look.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
There's more to the mobile phone sector than the top-end app-oriented devices.
- Bernie Goldbach
iPhone had already gained such great traction that others will have to work hard to catch up, but just as TechCrunch (and other commenters here) had written, Android is probably the closest to compete than Windows Mobile. I like the idea of open source platform since the users will be able to dictate what goes on the device (within the limitation of Android), instead of living with what...
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- brainno722 (Peter)
Robert here in Rome, Italy I see Nokia EVERYWHERE ;) Seriously now: many italian business man use BlackBerry and only geeks, Apple fans and fashion people use iPhone. Here Nokia rules! I think that Android on Samsung or LG phones ( I mean little, cheap and coloured phones) could be a good choice for many italian people.
- Roldano De Persio of FF
I'm still waiting to hear about a single game-breaking app that is on iPhone that EACH of the other platforms doesn't have. (I suppose Mint.com could be one)
- Matthew DeVries
1. iPhone app developers need only develop for a well-defined collection of hardware with well-defined capabilities all nicely coordinated with the SDK. Not so for Android developers.
- Stephen M. Otto
2. iPhone is an iPod. Android phones will never be iPods.
- Stephen M. Otto
O.o Android is already an iPod. Faster/better music player/browser. Integration with AmazonMP3 buy/search. A non-proprietary output jack that can plug into your 1985 Ghetto Blaster with no need for an "iPod interface". More video playback codecs. MUCH larger storage capacity (infinite if you want to swap 30GB SD's). --this post generated 3 Oops errors.
- Matthew DeVries
For that matter, there are ~10,000% more music players/browser available on Android, as compared to iPhones whopping..... 1
- Matthew DeVries
I own an iPhone and also uses it like an iPod, but hate iTunes...Even though I would never buy a Zune or other MP3 player (hideous compared to iPods), I welcome any other innovation smartphones so that I can move away from iPhone. But then again, I'm a gadget fanatic...Ooh shiny!
- brainno722 (Peter)
iPhone sucks. Android phones will never suck
- Alessio ~ Bl@ster
from IM
85,000 reasons why Apple’s iPhone isn’t going to be disrupted - http://www.facebook.com/note...
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just takes me to the Facebook home page
- Chris Rogers
maybe you need to sign in it might not be public
- ffcode
I'm signed in, so it appears to be private - may be that Facebook friending is required
- Chris Rogers
Read it at http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Joel
thanks joel
- Chris Rogers
scary. I actually agree with Scoble. Monumental moment
- Holden Page
More interesting to me is that this seems to contradict the early adopter we all expect Robert to be. What happens when he just gets too tired to use the second SIM to try out the new flashy device and operating system?
- Joel
Just took me to the home page as well... if this requires you to friend Scoble to read it, then it's not really an effective way of sharing. If not and it's just broken then... well, also not so effective.
- Jan Ole Peek
Sorry. My Facebook stuff should be open to the public. EIther way, it was autoposted to my friends from http://scobleizer.com -- I will remove Facebook from FriendFeed anyway to reduce the noise.
- Robert Scoble
Great systems presentation by Jeff Dean: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/project... (I especially like slides 23-35)
Sean Kelly, Bruce Lewis, Andres Montano and 114 other people liked this
really liked the numbers, much better than just saying "registers < memory < disk"
- Ertuğ Karamatlı
I liked this part: ---Users specify high-level desires: *“99%ile latency for accessing this data should be <50ms” *“Store this data on at least 2 disks in EU, 2 in U.S. & 1 in Asia”
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
really good document thx
- Nicolas Dufour
Don't just like it - read it.
- Hayes Haugen
I would love to see more information like this :) Ideas on where I should be looking (other than FF of course!)
- Susan Beebe
Interesting stuff. I'm downloading the PDF now...
- Tyson Key
AdamThought for the day: Do not attribute to malice what may instead an honest mistake. Do not attribute to incompetence what may actually be true constraints, bad luck or an accident. Give both organizations and people a generous amount of trust and kindness, and you will be a happier person.
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hmmmm
- Charlie Anzman
Distrust is a cost. Sometimes it's worth paying. Knowing when can be tricky.
- Bruce Lewis
Yes, Bruce. I think there comes a time when, well, "fool me twice, shame on me," right? The problem is that I think people are *too* quick to judge. And too quick, in particular, to judge someone or something as evil or stupid when the realities are far more boring but innocent. And the internet, mobwise, has amplified the pitchfork mentality... often to great detriment.
- Adam Lasnik
That definitely does happen.
- Bruce Lewis
djbigdaddy: @Scobleizer twitter really has replaced G Reader & it hurts me to say that. I went from checking G Reader twice a day to 3 times a week. - http://twitter.com/djbigda...
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^Hunt, i couldn't have said it better myself.
- Turner Burns
from iPod
I use it though Feedly. Every single day.
- Roberto Bonini
My only problem with Friendfeed that it doesn't have a great iPhone app like Tweetie. I do most of my tweeting on the go.
- Hunt
Hunt: I totally agree with you. I've moved almost all of my reading over to my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
davewiner: Duncan Riley has a point when he says: "For the love of God Paul Buchheit, be a man and put FriendFeed out of its misery." http://r2.ly/mp82 - http://twitter.com/davewin...
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Actually, FF isn't Buchheit's to kill anymore. It's Zuckerberg's, and Zuckerberg alone has the power to kill FF now that it's his. And kill it he will; the only question is when. Buchheit was merely saying (in code) that Facebook's getting some of FF's technology etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Sidekick Friendfeed So tell me again why aquisition is good?
- WarLord
And why does DW care about what goes on here?
- Eric @ CS Techcast
WarLord: it's good for humanity. Facebook is way behind FriendFeed's feature set in real time search, DMs, interactions, etc. This will bring the features we're used to to 300 million people instead of less than a million.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: Dave Winer has just as much right to be interested in the future of FriendFeed or have an opinion on it as you or I do.
- Robert Scoble
Why all the calls to kill a horse who didn't break its leg? I just don't get it, if you don't want to be here, don't be here.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
+1 Eric
- Amit Morson
I've been quietly watching all of this talking back and forth, but now I'm starting to get pissed off about it. We all are fully aware of how vulnerable FF is right now. All this blather from you people with some clout in the social networking world will only possibly kill it a few days sooner. Yes, I'm talking directly to you, Robert, and also indirectly to DW and DR and the rest of the people going on and on about this.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah: hint: traffic is way down. Note. We are all still here. So what's killing FriendFeed is NOT us. Just because we're talking about the facts and you don't like the facts shoved in your face does NOT mean the messenger is responsible.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, so what IS "killing" FriendFeed if it's not the users?
- Amit Morson
Amit: we've been over this before. But it's the lack of future direction. That has NOT changed. Facebook is not willing, or able yet, to tell us there's a future here. So people leave. Most of those who leave do so without posting anything. They just have something better to do.
- Robert Scoble
Keyword: SHOVED. What do you hope to accomplish with all of this shoving, Robert? I don't need hints, I know all of this, I've read it hundreds of times, I'm on here every day. So you're all still here... I don't get your point.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah: there's a way to hide any item that bugs you. That's one of FriendFeed's killer features.
- Robert Scoble
You are being really... It's not just about things bugging me!!! I'm not some idiot that you need to talk down to!! I have been on FF since about May 2008, so pretty darned close to being an early adopter. I frigging know how this thing works, and you don't need to tell me to hide anything. You did not answer my question. Maybe you don't have an answer. What do you hope to accomplish by repeating yourself over and over that Friendfeed is about to die??
- Kamilah Gill
We put our stuff here... They can't shut it down. Why can't a site just keep running as it is? Hotmail has been upgraded like two times in its entire existence.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Well you know, if FF is dead it's one less place he has to spread his resources at.
- Amit Morson
Christopher: Hotmail has 300 million people on it.
- Robert Scoble
Kamilah: where in this item did I say FriendFeed is dying. I think you are projecting your anger that everyone is leaving and beating up the community here onto me. Unfairly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you did imply in the OP that you agree with the sentiment that FF should be "put out of its misery." Not exactly a positive sentiment. At least, that's what I took from your posting of it without comment that indicates otherwise.
- Katy S
Katy: what? How did you get that I agreed with it. I clicked "favorite" on it which brought it over here because I thought that Duncan's point was an interesting one and was worth discussing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ok, then nix my Hotmail comment. If Paul or Zuckerberg said they were shutting FF down, is that something you'd seriously get behind? Or would you think it incredibly unfair to tens/hundreds of thousands of people who thought they could put their stuff here?
- Christopher Galtenberg
If Paul shut friendfeed down I bet you it would light up as a trending topic right away. This would be no surprise though; it is common for deaths to trend.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Robert - I hit enter before I finished the last post - you can see the rest of it now.
- Katy S
I didn't see Robert say anything of the kind. He simply posted what Winer said and responded pretty reasonably since.
- Ken Camp
Guys I invested a lot in FriendFeed too.
- Dave Winer
Christopher: no. Because there's not a replacement for it yet. But what about in 2012? After Facebook has a TON more features? They will shut it down just like Google shut down Geocities.
- Robert Scoble
Garin, to Robert's point, FF isn't Pauls to shut down. It belongs to FB.
- Ken Camp
Anyway, Robert, it was your lack of commentary that led me to believe that you advocated that position. I wouldn't be surprised if others read it the same way. It's a matter of effect being different than intent, something that can happen when we present material to an audience.
- Katy S
I meant to say Mark instead of Paul, but the post specifies Paul.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Dave, so the solution is to self host everything? We both know it's not the solution.
- Amit Morson
Katy: lots of things I bring in here is to discuss what people's opinions are and to form my own. To tell you the truth I'm a lot more negative on the community today than I was a week ago. Why? Because of how people discuss things here and how they beat up the messenger. There is VERY GOOD REASONS why I'm bringing this up over and over again. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... should scare the freaking hell out of you if you think there's a long term future here.
- Robert Scoble
Companies don't keep investing in things if everyone leaves.
- Robert Scoble
Amit don't tell me what "we both know" -- that's a really weak and powerless thing to say. Then we start arguing about what I know. Feh. We both know I'm not going to bother. :-)
- Dave Winer
I'm not leaving :)
- Simon Hicks
Scoble, they've already said they're not investing in FF. And look at the graph on Duncan's piece. Everyone's leaving. The graph shows it.
- Dave Winer
Hey, no need to lecture me. I was just relaying the way this reads to some people. I didn't think I was "beating up the messenger" so much as clarifying how the post could be read. Maybe it's the English teacher in me, but it's a tendency of mine to address how I, as an audience member, read the discourse. If that annoys you - and it seems that it did - I'm sorry.
- Katy S
Katy: well, I don't agree with Duncan. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll defend shot-at messengers, but the role you're playing (or widely perceived to be) is not just messenger, but harbinger. As Marshall McCluan would remind us: the medium is the message!
- Micah Wittman
Here's what I mean by defend: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
Micah: well, that is ascribing to me more power than I have. If I had that much power all the Twitter users would have listened to me when I told them FriendFeed was the place to hang out. The fact that I couldn't make FriendFeed popular makes you wrong here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - ok - I like clarity. So, are you starting to feel as if you've become Cassandra?
- Katy S
FriendFeed won't die until Facebook replicates most or all of its functionality (and very likely when that day comes, Facebook will provide some mode of transfer).
- Acrylic Style Music Group
I always have my phone number on my blog. +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Acrylic: that's actually not true. CompuServe had more features than other things but CompuServe is gone today because the users left for a whole lot of reasons (many of which we are seeing in THIS VERY THREAD).
- Robert Scoble
What I'm saying is, it doesn't make sense to kill off a service in favor of another when the other doesn't provide for those that have used this service.
- Acrylic Style Music Group
That's like saying Apple should kill off the iPod Touch in favor of the Nano because the Nano sells more (not real stats, just an example). I say wait till Facebook catches up, that's all.
- Acrylic Style Music Group
Robert, you'll see in my link (right above your comment) I precisely don't ascribe it. What I'm also saying is there's all this panic and the perception that you're driving people away. There's a PR problem if you will. Who cares about blame - it's reverberating strongly, it's the negativity you mentioned feeling. You don't like it, nobody likes it. I don't know what the answer is, but a lot of people are venting the frustration and I'm writing this to acknowledge it.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: thanks. That's what I wanted to have happen. The community needs to come at this the way you did. There is a MAJOR PR problem and not one that's solvable because, well, it's not solveable. But, at least it can be fun if everyone took the tactic you did.
- Robert Scoble
Robert is reflecting peoples' already extant biases, like a mirror. He's providing confirmation for those who already wanted to give up on FF. For the rest of us, he's still here wanting to chat, stirring up activity :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: I'm trying to do my part to get that line to stop trending down and move up.
- Robert Scoble
It's an odd kind of love :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: well, truth brings the best community.
- Robert Scoble
I am, indeed, a technopeasant. I also play the bagpipes: a backwards, ancient, strange instrument that has a total hold on my heart. And a devoted minority of people keep this art alive. Is it conceivable that something like friendfeed, small (and smaller) though it is, could and should persist?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
*attempts to stretch a comparison*
- T. Brent, technopeasant
btw... Riley misspelled 'throes' in the first sentence of his post.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
It's possible the Friendfeed usage dip on the chart Riley showed doesn't reflect a drop in community size at all. It may reflect developers who are moving their FF mashups to other services in anticipation of an uncertain future. I recently changed a widget that outputs topical Tweets from using an FF imaginary friends feed to a Y!Pipes feed.
- Amyloo
I'm not going anywhere, moreover, I'm willing to pay a small amount to keep FF up. It's still my #2 starting tab after Gmail, I'm still enjoying using it and I just don't get it - who left?
- Kirill Bolgarov
The reason why Friendfeed users aren't convinced by arguments that FB will acquire all of FF's capabilities is about brand: who owns the brand, and whether you can trust them. FF is a feed aggregator, FB is mostly a power aggregator -- for Zuckerberg.
- Tim Ostler
Someone tell me what can replace FF now? The people that are leaving must not be using the FF enhanced feature set. I like what FF can do, I can't find it anywhere else.
- Keith Rowland
Keith: who said that you need to replace your usage here 1:1? Maybe people just are gettting lives again and living offline? Or maybe they are, like me, living with the limitations of other systems and working within those constraints? Or maybe they are blogging again? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or, maybe, the real drop here is because most of the users here are just playing Farmville?
- Robert Scoble
louisgray: New Blog Post: Can Twitter Replace RSS for Sharing the Best of the Web? http://bit.ly/3zqtOE @scobleizer - http://twitter.com/louisgr...
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Freaking awesome run down of information filtering/curating methods. I dream of building the automattic LouisGray, but it's not going to happen. My backup plan, building tools that help Robert and Louis manage information flow
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
adamloving: @foursquare @DustyReagan I'm noticing the same people adopting foursquare that adopted twitter and facebook before that. a good indicator. - http://twitter.com/adamlov...
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I have it on my iphone just hoping for an update with Orlando.
- shaun mclane
the trend of awesome, what a great group to be clustered with :)
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
The real question isn't whether FriendFeed is dead or not. It's very much alive. The real question is why is Louis Gray using a dead product? More...
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The product? Google Reader. It is dead. Be back in a second to explain why.
- Robert Scoble
Here's why...
- Robert Scoble
Speaking of Reader, Friendfeed doesn't seem to be getting shares on time. Tweets are late too :( Still using Reader but thru Feedly :)
- RK
...The new lists feature is totally making Twitter FAR BETTER than Google Reader. The only thing Twitter doesn't have yet is full text. But I've gotten over that. So, why is Louis Gray still holding onto Google Reader, even though Google Reader is slower and lamer than Twitter is (combined with FriendFeed)?
- Robert Scoble
Cause people use what works, not always what is new...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Off topic question on Twitter lists: Sometimes when I try to add someone to a list of mine using the dropdown, I click the checkbox, the little icon spins, but the click doesn't take and the person isn't added. This happens a lot but not always. Anyone else getting this?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Reader and Twitter are very different tools. Virtually every blog and news site has RSS/Atom feeds. Most don't have their own Twitter feed. And 140 characters, with URL shorteners? Get real.
- LogEx
You are comparing apple and oranges. Using twitter as an RSS reader is almost as bad as following everyone back
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I still bookmark websites. Cause it works for me. But what do I know?
- Derrick
I still use Google Reader all day long, love the state save between mobile and desktop. I use it for the "hard news" stream, sans crowd commentary and noisy/redundant mashup of "friends'" likes. Great for following a multitude of obscure blogs.
- Allred
I see a pattern here: Tomorrow's provocative tweet is going to be: Ok, Google Reader is very much alive. The real question is when will Robert Scoble get back to blogging!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin. Twitter is my RSS, has been for months. I have not gone to Google Reader in months.
- Paramendra Bhagat
Dear Jesus, here we goez again! WHEEEeee, would this be it's 3rd Life or reincarnation if you're a practicing Buddhist? Or maybe see what's up, give em call...
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble - Have you tried to use Email notifications or their Adobe Air desktop notifications? They are sorely lagging by 15 minutes or longer. No longer "real time"
- joebrooks
Ok, that's just a bit too provocative -- I can't think of a single major service that Twitter can claim to replace, and Reader, one of the best apps on the web, certainly ain't one -- maybe if Reader had a "random crap" feature, that's where Twitter would encroach
- Christopher Galtenberg
I agree. Google Reader *is* dead. It's certainly been very dead for me. I use it basically only to post articles to Twitter and FriendFeed. Lately I've been doing less GReader sharing and more favorites on Twitter.
- Dennis Jernberg
Or rather, GReader's dead as a social network type thing. It remains very good at what it is: a Web-based RSS reader. But I do like the fact that you can share articles to Twitter, FF, Facebook, etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hmm? Google Reader and RSS are fantastic. I am not impressed by Twitter favorites. Also not impressed by comment bait. :) Carry on.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is only a meta-stream. You give up comprehensiveness for sheer popularity and randomness.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I will stop using Google Reader when blogs and Web sites start publishing, replaced outright by Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Poor Louis - he keeps getting picked on today :-( (sorry - I started it)
- Jesse Stay
I want a better tool for the job - nothing does what Reader does for me right now. I wish Reader would focus on that aspect and not the comments or likes or such. Build a solid (not slow) platform for sharing and reading the news. Make the UI less confusing. Then maybe they could socialize it. Regardless I won't switch because there's nothing that gives me news and lets me share it like Google Reader does now. I just wish it was better.
- Jesse Stay
Now Twitter is better than Google Reader? I guess I'm using all these technologies the wrong way because I use Google Reader waaaay differently than Twitter. I'm starting to wonder if someone brainwashed Scoble at the last Twitter event or something... it's getting a little bizarre.
- Jan Ole Peek
Welp, I'm using it so it's not dead to me.
- Shawn Farner
The recent spike in the 'dead' meme is just plain odd. Is it an expression of having too many things to do? The need to have some losers, and hence a desire to be on the side that does the killing? Would we prefer a Microsoft-like monopoly, or a limited Microsoft/Apple/Linux-like menu? Is attention too frazzled to tolerate and even enjoy a wide ecosystem of tools?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, it's just a slow news week I think. As Scoble said, we're kind of in an in-between period right now and it's frustrating.
- Jesse Stay
I still use Google Reader the same way that I've been using Google Reader for months - namely, to share items of interest to my Google Reader and FriendFeed followers (and now, my Facebook followers who see my FriendFeed entries). Perhaps it's worthwhile to note that I don't use Google Reader as a social network; I can't ever find the comments that are attached to Google Reader items.
- John E. Bredehoft
Big shrug. Feeds are feeds. I don't love any of the interfaces. Growing fonder (sigh) of FB, though, as a hub for all of it. (No pink sheep though. Please.)
- Kathy Fitch
I never really use the Google Reader interface. But integrating with feedly is great.
- Nils Sandin
What are your guy's thoughts on bloglines.com?
- Eric Vreeland
I consider that del.ici.ous should move towards twitter-like or friendfeed-like functionality. Or perhaps google's equivalent of del.ici.ous (could never figure out what that is actually called and how to get back to it each time) should blend in a jaiku layer.
- Ian Tindale
+ to Louis G calling it...approximately, more accurately though: load deflection disguised as link bait,
- sofarsoShawn
Consider how "retweeting" would have turned out if "twitter favorites" were listed in your own twitter timeline/feed. Twitter favorites are the greatest example of a feature that never was.
- Andy Bakun
retweeting has found me many folks to follow I almost never check favorites counter intutive use of time an attention as the flow of tweets go by and I'm holding a conversations
- WarLord
Of course you never check twitter favorites, it's has like zero social utility on twitter, they only ever show up if you click on someone's favorites list.
- Andy Bakun
well as long as everyone agrees ff is alive :D
- Mike Chelen
Another question: Why are you using Louis Gray as a model?
- Amit Morson
Amit: Because we all agree that Louis Gray is our perennial model. Obviously. :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Google reader is an information option for me as well. Different channels give me diverse looks on the stream. 2D plots are dead because 3D plots exist, not in this reality Robert.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I find this interesting that Scoble wonders why people use an RSS reader, but wants more human curation. People need to seed the sharing, and those people are using RSS readers. Twitter would be helpful if there are a group of people curating news for you, then the most popular items continue to get shared.
- Rob Diana
@Diana, I totally agree. There's not enough information density on Twitter when compared to the compact layout of Google Reader. I can see which feeds have new items, I then select a feed and scan headlines, drill in and read one or two stories from each, mark the rest as read. Twitter is just a pile of noise compared to the organization that comes with RSS. I do share a ton of links out of Reader into my Twitter stream though.
- Crutis
Robert, Not everyone cares so much about real-time .. some of us actually want to find something other than what's hot today or last week. We might even want to have a "conversation" that's semi-organized.
- Chris Myles
It's not about information density for me. It's also about quality of content. There are a lot of great writers who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
another one of those incredibly naive " x technology/service is dead article". Sure the social aspect of Greader may be "dead" but that wasn't Greader's real focus...Greader will keep on going because certain people use it in a way that can't be replicated by twitter/friendfeed or facebook...and people will keep on using twitter, friendfeed and facebook because as similar as they are can be they can be used in very different ways.
- David Rodriguez
Chris: me too. But I've been watching how Louis uses Google Reader. It's EXACTLY how I use Twitter (and we often find the same kind of stuff. Only I usually beat him in speed. But you can't see yet what I'm talking about because you don't have Twitter's lists feature.) See my favorites at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... -- a lot of what is there is what shows up in Google Reader too. But only Google Reader is slower, harder to deal with on the iPhone, and doesn't have a lot of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Amit: I used Louis Gray as an example because I like his Google Reader shares the most. They are very much like mine. Plus he's the guy who got me to come to FriendFeed so he usually is early in seeing things and it's fun to debate early early adopters. Just look at this thread!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was early adopter on GReader, then got bored.. once we get the low downs on a new software then it becomes boring and (a) we look for other stuff elsewhere ; (b) create community around the S/w component or just (C) just drop the product / software
- Peter Dawson
Unrelated question,sort of. Robert, why does your Twitter profile show friendfeed.com/scobleizer as your web page?
- Kenton
Seriously? No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us? We don't have that feature available, and, what's more, when we try to view someone else's lists, we get a 404 error. Hmm. Google Reader works for everyone. Maybe that's why people are still using it.
- Curtiss Grymala
I haven't explored much of the social interactions of GReader. If I comment on or like someone's shared feed, it's most likely through FriendFeed. I don't see myself using Twitter for what I use GReader.
- Arlan Koizumi
"No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us?" - LISTS are still in pvt beta mode only.
- Peter Dawson
Exactly my point, Peter.
- Curtiss Grymala
Kenton: FriendFeed is still the best aggregator in the business. That's why.
- Robert Scoble
Curtiss: that's why I specifically called out Louis. He has access to the new list feature. So, it will be interesting to see if it changes his view of Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Arlan: I think you will, especially when you see lists. I have a list of just major news brands, for instance, and it's a better RSS reader than Google Reader is except if you want full text feeds.
- Robert Scoble
Of course many people want full text feeds. I get very irked at partial or headline-only RSS feeds, they usually get booted from my Reader subs. Twitter, with or without lists, has different purposes and different use cases than Google Reader.
- LogEx
omg. UNFOLLOW
- Joel Bennett
LogEx: I used to be like that but then I freed my mind and got over the full text stuff. Mostly because Google Reader got to be VERY SLOW for me.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: see ya!
- Robert Scoble
Joel: people who unfollow just because they disagree just seem to be weak souls to me and I'd rather not hang around someone so weak. So, have a good one!
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader isn't a good social tool now, but it's the best tool for me for getting feeds from many sites, many of which are not represented on Twitter.
- LogEx
It's already done. You've stopped providing valuable previews of cool stuff and are now providing nothing but silly arguments about why x is better than y
- Joel Bennett
I didn't unfollow ya because I disagree with you (I *never* thought Google Reader was interesting), I unfollowed you because lately your signal:noise ratio is the wrong way up.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: bullshit you are wrong. http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer is where I show off Twitter lists just this afternoon.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: and over on http://scobleizer.blip.tv you'll see me talking to PayPal about their new functionality (among many other companies).
- Robert Scoble
Twitter Lists. I don't even have them yet, and I'm already tired of hearing about them :-p
- Joel Bennett
Well Robert, maybe I'm just following you in the wrong place.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: and over on http://www.building43.com I have a ton of videos where I show off new things and new ideas. Tomorrow Tapulous, who has the #1 iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Tapulous has my kids' favorite iPhone game
- Jesse Stay
Joel: all this stuff comes to my FriendFeed account at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (only one out of about 1,000 things I bring in there is negative). Oh, and the best value stuff is my Favorites: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- no noise there.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: I just went to your account and all I see is noise, no signal. So? Should I unfollow? No. Because personally noise is important.
- Robert Scoble
Heh, follow, don't follow - either way, makes no difference to me: I'm no social media "influencer," just a plain old dev. I follow people for news or because I know them, and I post to share or converse...
- Joel Bennett
I'll just put you on my noisy dorks list who threaten to unfollow because they are too lazy to look for the signal that obviously is there in the first place. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
It wasn't a threat, it was a done deal :-P Maybe it was lazy. Maybe it was just annoyance at the way this whole dead-not-dead crap is burying all the signal on FriendFeed lately.
- Joel Bennett
Robert. I just watched your kyte video. Good Q&A. I see how the lists can generate interesting metadata about people and sources, leading to a new "authority" race. To be fair how ever, I think that delicious has a lot of the similar metadata/tag information/count when it comes to sources. Do you mashable vs techcrunch comparison on delicious and you will see. So I guess you are right...
more...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, this is fun watching and listening to you about the Twitter Lists but actually without being able to make a list, it's like a carrot... http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer
- Myrna
OK, so, I looked over your feed ... and I've realized that YOU don't actually cause the noise, per-se ... it's just that lately, the stuff that seems like noise to me are the ones that get bumped over and over with likes and comments from people defending FF against ya. Maybe I need to find a client that doesn't show the "bump" effect.
- Joel Bennett
Yup, he causes it alright, measured reaction ensues
- sofarsoShawn
Joel: that's called Twitter. OK, I'm outta here now! Running...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: maybe GReader is slow because you are attempting to feed too much into it? Funny, I have been a bloglines lover for a long time and finally 'got' GReader only to be told it's dead. Say it ain't so! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: I feed a LOT more into Twitter and it is a lot faster than Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
LOL. Robert, when I was personally impacted by divestiture in 1984, I observed that AT&T was dead. I also said, like a shot elephant it would run for miles and miles before it fell over. That's proven true. That dead elephant is still trying to escape. But it is a dead elephant. If GR is dead, it won't keel over any time soon.
- Ken Camp
Robert, you may feed more to Twitter and it's faster, but you're the metadata guy. GR and the GOOG have horsepower, momentum, computing and network resources that Twitter can't match for several years. They have the ability, like any real 800 pound gorilla, to overcome that.
- Ken Camp
Robert - All that said, I do agree that RSS readers like GR, are a phase that is on the way out. It's peaked.
- Ken Camp
I like the 'more...' to comment approach.
- Holly Rae, FFer
I don't agree Robert. Google reader fills a need for some people when it comes to consuming content. This is not saying that Twitter isn't a good consumption too.
- Seth Goldstein
i wish there were a "disagree' button :(
- zʍıɔ
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Vezquex: God of FF
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- Bicentennial (Franc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Her Lindsay-ness
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
Man I am tired of hearing the proclamations of FriendFeed's death. I'm still here, you're still here... If you don't want to be here, leave. If you want to stay then talk to me. If all you want to talk about is how FriendFeed is dying, save us all some trouble: STFU and go play with Twitter or FB instead. When FF's really dead we won't care.
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... We'll have moved on to bigger and better things. Until then there are much more interesting things to talk about....
- Her Lindsay-ness
Thank you.
- Rochelle
Amen Sister!!
- John Tastad
Adobe Launches an Official Photoshop iPhone App - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Facebook Just Made It Super Easy To Put Connect On Your Site - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Will give it a bash!
- Sean Kelly
Hmmm, Just tried this, but keep getting an error on Step 2 when I "Test Setup"... I'd better get Googling..
- Andrew Terry
The process doesn't really work on wordpress.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
I see no reason that it wouldn't work on WordPress. I integrated FB Connect into my theme a while back, and it's easy enough to do. This would just take the "create a FB App" out of the process.
- Otto
I don't know how to do the upload file part. Would be better to have a way to do this via WordPress.
- Thomas Hawk
Google Friend Connect had this process for a while, now they improved over FC again by eliminating the file-upload part. No uploads needed now.
- Ray Cromwell
The whole file upload thing is necessary for allowing FB to set cookies on your site (cross-domain). It's not hard, just upload the file to your web host in the normal manner, like FTP or what have you. I mean, you had to upload WordPress to the site the first time, right? Google gets around it by not storing cookies on your domain, they just call back to their servers on every hit instead.
- Otto
actually Otto somebody else uploaded WordPress to my site for the first time. I'm not sure how to upload files to my domain. It would be nice if they had a WP widget that you could just install that did all of this for you.
- Thomas Hawk
Unfortunately, it just doesn't work that way, Thomas. WordPress doesn't really have the same kind of control over your website that you do, in many cases. And if you don't have the ability to put files on and off your site, then it's really questionable as to whether it's "your" site at all. I'd highly recommend getting that level of control, ASAP.
- Otto
I'm sure I have the ability. I just don't have the know how.
- Thomas Hawk
That's why we have documentation: http://codex.wordpress.org/FTP_Cli...
- Otto
Depending on your host Thomas... they might have a flash based ftp client. I know Godaddy does.
- Jason Williams
"Much more important than working hard is knowing how to find the right thing to work on" by @caterina http://www.caterina.net/archive...
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How many times is he going to fall off the bike??
- Jemm
Jemm: What count are you up to?
- sebastian☆rocket brother
Got tired after 114.
- Jemm
It's tiring to do that all day long! Hope he get some rest for lunch.
- Didier Lahely
LOLOLOLOL
- Cyber Eddie
"You wouldn't believe the lousy commute I had this morning!"
- Mark Jepsen
Welcome Ryan!
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Congrats Robert... best wishes to all
- Rhys Amos
Congrats. Now the fun begins!!!
- Mike Shields
Awesome!
- dstamand
Congratulations!
- Stephan Planken
Congratulations! Welcome, Ryan!
- Lance M. Brown
Awesome
- RetiredTeacherD
Yay! Congratulations!
- Jesse Stay
YAYAYAYAYAY! Congrats to you and Maryam!@#!@#!
- drew olanoff
congrats Robert and Maryam, Welcome Ryan.
- rick
Welcome to the world.
- Dave Mora
Congratulations!!!
- Mike Doeff
!!!
- sean percival
Born 11:32.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
LOL He was keepin ya'll on yer toes. CONGRATS!
- Danny Minick
Yay! Congratulations to you and your wife! Now off to buy RSS and iPhone
- Lise
Congrats!!!!!
- Mark Evans
Congratulations!
- Kenneth
I hope you're well rested, Robert ... ;-)
- Hieronymus Murphy
Congrats Robert!
- Charlie Anzman
Congratulations!
- 321
He looks like you.
- Cjay
Congratulations!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Congrats to you all
- JanLawrence
Congrats Robert and welcome RSS!
- Robb Brock
Congratulations! Happy Birthday Ryan! Lots of love to the whole family.
- Jodi Church
SUBSCRIBED!
- drew olanoff
Hello World!
- CannonGod
Congratulations!! Welcome to the world Ryan!! :)
- Laura Zickus
<rss> awesome! </rss>
- sean percival
welcome to the new world little one! all hail our pink squirming screaming overlord!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL at CannonGod's comment. It's like he started a Wordpress blog. XD
- Danny Minick
When does he start micro blogging?
- Cjay
20.5 inches long. 7 lbs. 13 oz.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
nice alpha version. welcome RSS !
- Kaïs Miled
congrats!! welcome rss!
- barbarars
Ryan is no longer in beta! LOL :D Congrats, Scoble!
- Danny Minick
oww congrats.. welcome ryan.. be happy forever sweety(:
- Cherry Mei Chan♥
Congratulations :)
- امیرعباس
RSS is finally here! Congrats Robert & Maryam
- Dennis Jernberg
Congrats Robert... best wishes to all
- joupy
Congratulations!
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Blessings, and the best Robert!
- Nakeva Corothers
Cute!
- Charlie Anzman
مبارک باشه Congratulations
- حضرت لپ
Congrats!!!
- Jim Williams
Grats!
- Denverken
مبارکه رفیق رابرت . خدا حفظش کنه
- جـوان ایرانی
If Dave Winer comes on here and claims to have invented RSS I will smack him.
- drew olanoff
Congratulations!
- joey
Congratulations and all the best.
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
Welcome Ryan!!!
- Phil
Welcome Ryan :)
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
Awesome. Congratulations!
- John McCrea
Congratulations :-)
- ѕнαнιη
Congratulations!
- anna sauce
Congratulations :) Welcome Ryan :)
- Mohamed Marwen Meddah
Congrats, Imagine where RSS and the web will be when he turns 30!
- James Watters
Congratulations to you both.
- Don McAllister
congrats Robert and Maryam :)))))
- Conformist بـی نظرگـاه ™
congrats to the family!!
- erik yuzwa
Welcome to RSS in Pubsubhub mode :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
Congrats to you all!! We had our second child, a boy, on Tuesday. Enjoy!!
- Alex Cordiner
from iPhone
Yay! Congrats to you, but mostly congrats to your wife for doing all of the hard work. ;-) xo
- Jennifer Leggio
Mazel Tov!
- Robb Vaules
Congrats Robert....wishing all the best to your family....
- Carlos
Congratulations! Wow! Seems like we were there just the other day! Looking forward to your late-night feeds and tweets and blog posts!
- Louis Gray
You rock! Congrats. Thanks for sharing. How's mum doing?
- Steve Lacey
from iPhone
congrats! and welcome ryan
- Daniel Levine
Congrats Robert - It is a fine family....
- Simarprit Singh
"beautiful new baby" by Robert Scoble, photojournalist. I stepped away for coffee and bang! RSS
- Brian Hendrickson
nice!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Thank you so much for sharing
- Sherrie Belken
:) congrats
- Shandiz
Born on Talk like a Pirate Day, too! Yarrrr!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
congrads ms & mr scoble, :)
- chaz2b
Thanks to the good Docs!
- Keith Rowland
congrats!! ^_^
- Christine Lu
Congrats!
- Mycaptain
Steve: mum is sleeping but got to hold Ryan. Instant love!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Welcome, Guest dear to our world / Now the world is on your own
- Conformist بـی نظرگـاه ™
that feels good
- Brian Hendrickson
Gonna have to learn to operate that iPhone with one hand.
- Keith Rowland
Congratulations!
- Parth Awasthi
Congratulations. Hope Maryam iis doing well
- Rachel Clarke
Congrats man
- Holden Page
Congratulations! Wish him all the best!
- philos
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
Congrats, Robert and Maryam.
- Derrick
Congratulations Robert, and well done Maryam! You are truly blessed :)
- Nicola Quinn
So happy for you Robert and Maryam. Yeay...another FF baby!
- Mark Krynsky
Congratulations!
- Surachart Opun
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations
- testbeta
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
he's so cute...
- Sinem Vural
Robert, Congratulations to you and Maryamie!
- Mike Fruchter
Wow, congrats to all of you!
- Paul Salzman
Congratulations to you both!
- Forrest W. Kobayashi
Great news guys! All the best!
- Chris Nixon
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
congratulations!!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Congratulations to you and your wife Robert!
- Randy
Congrats Robert!
- Terry Jones
congratz and welcome RSS!
- Jon Winters
Congrats Maryam :-)
- Terry Jones
Felicitations and humble prayers for your new son.
- Victor Panlilio
congrats and best wishes!
- Mike Chelen
Congratulations Robert! Welcome Ryan!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Congrats!!
- Tan Kaiquan
congrats and best wishes to all. :)
- Naor Mark
Congratulations
- Meral Alabaz
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Congratulations to you and Maryam!
- Elwin Witzke
AmazinG!! congratulations :)
- Nakul
cutie pie baby
- Debby Bruck
Congratulations :)
- Baard @ Pixum
Ryan, good to see you.
- Burçak Çubukçu
تولدش مبارک ^_^ Congratulations!
- Emad
Warm wishes and congratulations. Love that you posted him crying.
- Irene Koehler
Congratulation to all of you! All the best for baby ryan!!!
- Arne Krueger
Congrats to both of you :)
- zephyrlily
Congratulation....best wishes to all
- Opium
woooow like :)
- کلیشه
Congrats M. & R.
- Giuseppe M.
ووووی مبارکه، به مریم خانوم هم تبریک ما رو بگو
- Zahra (raoros)
Congrats Robert and Maryam, Welcome to geekdom Ryan!
- Andrew Wardlaw
Contrats!!! I'm so excited!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Congrats.That pic brings back memories of my own baby's birth only ten months ago. C-section baby boys rock!
- Georgiana Comsa
Mazel Tov to you and Maryam.
- Michael Markman
Congrats... a few more Scobles make the world a better place ;-)
- Aad 't Hart
Congrats!
- George Mitsopoulos
Congrats... and Welcome Ryan. Good to have you among us.
- fatima
Congratulations! I
- Michael Fidler
Wonderful news. Congrats.
- Keri
Congrats Robert, and the best to you, Maryam, and of course Ryan!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Congratulations Congratulations !!
- Farzad
Congrats
- Sandeep Swaminathan
looking to to the same in 3 weeks
- ROBIN SMITH
Congrats on the blessed event! :D
- Joel Lovato
Congrats Robert and Maryam. Welcome Ryan !!!!!!!!!
- Nir Ben Yona
Congratulations, Robert!
- Mark Trapp
Congratulations to Robert and Maryam.
- George Hall (Australia)
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congratulations!
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Daddy Scobleizer!!!!!!!!!! First things first....when will he be signed up for Twitter and FF?
- krystyl
Congrats!!!
- eric susch
welcome Ryan, it's a beautiful world
- Michele Costabile
Congrats!!
- Olivia Lovag
Congrats to the Scoble family from South Africa! Welcome to the world @RSS
- Shaun Trennery
Congratulations to you all.
- Roland Harvey
Good luck beatiful baby.
- Oğulcan Selçuk Akbulut
Congrats, Robert! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Congratulations Robert, and welcome Ryan!
- Giorgio Zarrelli
Congratulations Robert and R.S.S.: "Hello World" Cheers!
- Louis Trapani
warmest congratulations
- Peter Holland
what a beautiful baby=)Congratulations=)
- Candan Celik
Such a miracle and a blessing - Congratulations to you and Maryam and "big" brothers!
- Marla Schulman
Congrats, Robert. Amazing pictures!
- Jordi Soler
Congratulations to all of your family! Enjoy!
- Ed Richardson
Congratulations ... enjoy!
- Hitesh Parashar
Congratulations!!!! He's beautiful! Welcome little one! I'm proud to share a birthday with you!
- Martha
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! Welcome to the world Ryan :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
happy birthday BABY
- ≤ M@RzI
Best congratulations!!!! :)
- Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF
Congrat Robert. It is wonderful what this new media could do to share your joy!
- Gianto Widianto
congrats!
- Pradhap Nirmal Natarajan
Congratulations!
- Steve Garfield
به به . قدم نو رسیده مبارک مریم جان . خیلی نازه :)
- RokhSaare
Hope the baby and mum are well. Congratz. Happy Ied Mubarak =)
- zʍıɔ
Congrats on the blessed event! Welcome to the world, Ryan
- Jazz Baker
Congratulations!
- Jim Hearts FF
appena nato e già dal dentista?
- paolo beneforti
Congrats :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
He was delivered by a Blue Man?
- paul mooney
Congrats Robert. It's allways a special moment. I still have my child birth in my memory!
- Rui
What a happy day! A healthy new Scoble and mom.
- Dave Winer
آخي ، بچته ؟؟؟ مبارك باشه تو روز به اين عزيزي به دنيا اومده ، بت نميخوره بچه انقدري داشته باشي شيطون
- mohammad
My goodness, congratulations!
- DGentry
Congrats!
- Ivo Mortani
Congratulations!! and best wishes
- Johni Fisher
congrats!
- masstrovato
Congratulations! I hope everyone's ok?!
- Holger Eilhard
حاجي خانومت ايرانيه جدي ؟؟؟ پس خيلي مباركه ديگه
- mohammad
Congratulations, Scoble family!
- Bill Scherer
wonderfull
- braciolanet
from BuddyFeed
Congratulations to you and your family Robert! A very handsome baby boy! Cant wait to see more pictures!
- TiffanyCarr
Congratulations, Robert.
- motownmutt
Congratulations!
- :: Kim Sherrell ::::
congrats :)
- £lham
مبارکه :)
- خیزران Has gone
Congrats!
- Roozbeh
Congrats to Robert and Maryam!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
WooHoo! My best to the whole family. I hope Maryam is getting some rest after all that hard work!
- Robert Couture
Congrats to you and your fam, Robert :)
- LANjackal
Ryan was born when the Berlin Marathon was finishing. Perhaps he'll be a long-distance runner. Congrats.
- Carl Jacobsen
Congratulations to you and the wife, Robert! Job well done. I see he is gonna take after his Daddy! ;-0 ,hehe:-)
- Duliece
One more congrats won't hurt, right? Thanks for sharing the pics.
- Kevin Sablan
Congratulations :)
- A35G
Congrats - Exciting & now the fun begins :-)
- PXLated
Wishing you and yours the best on this wonderful day! Congratulations!
- Steve
Congrats on the RSS feed update :) I hope you've pinged both rsscloud and pubsubhubbahubba !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Starting today. Sleep will be nothing more than a fond memory. :) Congrats.
- Richard
Congrats!
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Congrats!
- YusufOzanTasdemir
Congrats Robert!!
- Taehoon Kim
Congratulations!
- Thomas Hawk
Congratulations to you both :)
- 1x29
Congratulations to all!
- malackey
fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- michele ficara
Awe!! Congrats =)
- Brodie Beta
Congratulazioni!! ^______^
- Andrea | amnesiak1978
congrats!!
- Clarita
Congratulations to your whole family, Robert :-)
- Glen Campbell
Welcome Ryan! Congratulations Robert and family!
- Tim Probst
from iPhone
Congratulations!!! God bless....
- Bob DeMarco
Congrats!
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Congratulations Robert, Maryam and Milan! All the best to the four of you.
- Eiso Kant
Congratulations :-)
- Jalada
Congrats! Enjoy.
- Jim Peake
Congrats
- BeeLing
Congratulations!!
- Paolo Leonardi
Congratulations, Robert and Maryam!
- Helen Sventitsky
Congratulations!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Congratulations.
- ashish
Congrats
- Brian Appleby
oooww wonderfulll :))
- Ucandepik
Well done, my son's name as well.
- Robert Kenney
Congratulations
- Caleb Scribner
Congrats
- Manuel Mas
Congrats! Best wishes to you, Ryan and all your family!
- Lenny Post
congrats ^_^
- Furkan Tunalı
Conga Rats!
- Michael R. Bernstein
Wonderful! Enjoy!
- Alan Morris
Hello!
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
Absolutely wonderful. Welcome to the world Ryan!
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Congrats :)
- Hasan Al Shehabi
Congratulations to both of you.
- Roberto Bonini
OMG Congrats to both of you, he looks healthy and promising.
- Jeunelle Foster
Congratulations to everyone! He looks healthy! I am sure you must all be very happy! ;)
- Altan Khendup
Congratulations! May your tribe ever increase in happiness, joy, and fulfilment.
- trey pennington
Congrats!
- Ben Parr
what would be ryan's reaction when he would read this post someday, so many folks who knew dad congratulating him!
- testbeta
Congratulations!
- Anne Bouey
hiya RSS!
- Laura Norvig
Yah!! Congratulations.
- Micah Wittman
Congratulations to the whole Scoble family!
- WorldofHiglet
Congratulations to the whole family! Enjoy these most precious times.
- Marylene Delbourg-Delphis
best wishes to all
- Hamza Şamlıoğlu
congrats Robert and Maryam
- Kevin Tunis
Congratulations, Robert!
- Sabri Küstür
from FreshFeed
Wonderful. Best wishes to Ryan...
- Mitchell Tsai
Congratulations to the whole family :)
- Chris Saad
Congratulations
- Samaneh
Congratulations. cute :)
- FFTornado
Congratulations. First picture on twitter!
- Cindy Makonin
I just came to make sure you were getting a proper congratulations
- Sherrie Belken
Welcome :)))
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
congrats;)
- خاتون
Congratulations to the Scobles!
- Carlton Prest
Congrats Robert!
- Jorge Escobar
congratulations, Robert and Maryam.
- Valeria Maltoni
congrats!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
WOW - what a miracle - congrats!
- Mark Harai
Congratulations Robert & Maryam!
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
Congrats from Italy, Ryan!
- Federico Bolsoman
from iPhone
Congratulations Robert and sorry for delay, Best wishes
- erfan
He is crying: "I want an iPhone". Felicitations!
- William Mougayar
May he be blessed throughout his life! God bless you, Robert and Maryam!
- Melanie Reed
CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!
- Greg Ness
congrats :)
- Erdinc [bilimdiyari.com]
Congrats Robert & your family :)
- Sampad Swain
what a beautiful little guy! congratulations! rock on!
- B.L. Ochman
great day, congrats
- imran
Wow congratulations to both you and Maryam you must be so proud :)
- David Richardson
from Android
Congratulations
- Eric Logan
Wow, Congratulations, Robert and Maryam!! Ryan looks beautiful.:-)
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Congrats man. That's so awesome.
- Got Love For DB™?
Happy Babbie Day!
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Congrats!
- Zachary TG
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
Welcome, Ryan - you picked a good family!
- Matthew Blaisdell
congrats to you and Maryam! And welcome, RSS!
- Joshua Allen
from fftogo
congrats!!! Welcome to Ryan
- Dario Salvelli
Congratulations to you and Maryam! E benvenuto Ryan!
- Marco Fabbri
Congrats! :)
- Emmanuel Anumonwo
Congratulations!
- mlazopoulou
Such auspicious times... Welcome, Ryan!
- Red Label
O HAI, Ryan! Congratulations to Daddy and Mommy, too!
- Ladybug Heather
What's Ryan's Twitter address?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
قدم نو رسیده مبارک!congratulations
- Jan Valjan
Congrats, best wishes. :)
- Hunt
حوزه جان بیا در گوشش اذان بگو
- مـــــــــمد
woohoo! congrats!
- Tyson
That is a wonderful moment! All the best to momma, baby and the family!
- Mary Gilmour
Congrats Robert! Welcome Ryan!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Awesome, Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome to the world Ryan.
- Mitch Baldwin
Happy parenting! Congrats!
- Natallini
Groovy + one geek on the planet
- Yann Ropars
Congrats!!! Robert
- Steve Chou
To the proud Papa.....Congratulations!!
- Bonnie Foster
Congratulations Team Scoble. Best of good wishes to all of you.
- Morrie Johnston
Congrats Robert and family!!! Welcome Ryan :)
- buvanesh
congrats Robert!
- Joshua Guffey
Congratulations! RS
- Sean Kelly
Congrats :D
- Emre Misvaklı
Congratulations. he's so cute :)
- Armando Grati
Beautiful!
- Ryan Sholin
Congratulations
- Kreg Steppe
Congratulations!
- Gordon Saunders
Congratulations!
- Hamid Reza
Congrats Robert....How amny more before you have your baseball team :-)
- Alex Marrow
Seriously, Best whishes.............God Bless......
- Alex Marrow
Mazal Tov!
- Raanan Avidor
All the best! Fun Times!!!!
- Jim Turner
congrads now the fun starts, beautiful baby
- Debra Moore
congrads !
- ★ Soner Gönül
Congrats and Best Wishes!
- Tracy Benham
Looks like the baby's first trip to the dentist
- Steve Borgman
Welcome, Ryan! Congrats, Robert!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
The Future of the Social Web: In Five Eras - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Rajif Krobat, Baytech, Björn Klose and 113 other people liked this
Interesting stuff...thanks for sharing
- Hugo Guzman
Great info! I agree fish where the fish are :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Agree on the whole. I always find these categories a little artificial: Really "Forrester-speak". :) I think the recommendations are the most interesting. I'd make a separate post out of that.
- Meryn Stol
You say it yourself: "What’s interesting isn’t this vision for the future, but what it holds in store for brands, " . I'd like these recommendations to be fleshed out with concrete first steps to take. Doesn't have to be more than links to relevant resources.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn The recommendations are fleshed out in the actual reports. Our clients (brands) have access to see them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hmm ok... Then I'll need to get the details elsewhere I guess. :)
- Meryn Stol
Interesting categorization of the development into eras. Any consideration to the impact of scale on the 5th era? Just as a recent example with Facebook, their format evolution was not well received by what is not an insignificant number of members, and yet the reality is - that change - negative impact not withstanding is not rolling back.
- Patrick Boegel
There will be a give and take between communities and brands. The thing is, Facebook doesn't have a competitive alternative that users could go to. In my report, we suggest that active communities could define specs for products, and bid MULTIPLE companies to build it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I completely understand that Jeremiah, just wondering if the nature of scale impacted or perhaps better said impacts the thought process for very complex long term brand relationships, ie Health Insurance, Financial Services, a college/university choice, where consversation and user invovlement can be complicated. Very interested in the full report either way. Thx.
- Patrick Boegel
good stuff Jeremiah, enjoyed and some good thought provokers there for the future
- Richard Binhammer
Nice paper but really expensive for young people. $750 means $41 for page.
- Alp
Great information, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Interesting, but very general and hard to apply. I see companies more as å provide of tools/stage for conversation, aka the gold rush mining vs selling tools
- Anders Dahlberg
Alp, Many of Forrester's clients are large brands who have a subscription. We're still sharing a great deal on this blog, and have given the report to bloggers to cover, so there's value to be had there.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah (and the team), a great piece of work and, I imagine, a labour of both love and loathing at times! I have been very interested in this area as I have looked at the shift in skills to deliver social media activity changes from one of basic coding knowledge to much more human, interactive skills.
- Paul Fabretti
Fantastic article! I found it SO intriguing that I've even printed it out!
- J. D. Ebberly
"How Brands Should Prepare" is a great bit of information. Jeremiah, it would be nice (i'd be reading) if you expanded in future blog posts about the "How Brands Should Prepare".
- frank barry
That's likely to be a research report I'm thinking about writing Frank
- Jeremiah Owyang
Probably correct in assuming that most online social networks will neither spawn nor solidify to the point of being considered ‘affinity groups’ with the level of cohesion, unified budgetary authority or organized implementation capability of NGOs, churches, or employee aggregations. Even in the era of social commerce. I hope I’m wrong.
- A Mitchell
Great post, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Vlad Hrouda
Just found this... great stuff!
- Gerd Leonhard
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