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FriendFeed API v2 officially launching - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"Two weeks ago, we launched version 2 of the FriendFeed API in beta. Since then, we've watched how developers have been using the API and collected a lot of their feedback. We've implemented some changes, and now, we're ready to remove the beta label!"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
A two weeks beta in the 2.0 era sounds almost blasphem! Congrats!
- Simone Ruffilli
Congrats to Ben and Gary for all their hard work getting this out the door. And thanks to all the developers who have been sending us great feedback the past couple weeks.
- Bret Taylor
now.we.play /-)
- Nicolas Voisin
Bret - Think we'd all be interested in a longer list as more apps make use of the API. Great stuff
- Charlie Anzman
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 12:30 pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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hiya
- Kevin Marks
I have a place to sit and bandwidth at the w3c TPAC meeting; but I ned to nip to the bathroom for a couple of mins.
- Kevin Marks
back
- Kevin Marks
We will start shortly
- Robert Scoble
passing people like my microphone and comment on it... o_O
- Kevin Marks
you can't short GroupOn until it's been trading a while too
- Kevin Marks
maybe I should go outside by the pool now this lobby is full of people from the chatty people conference
- Kevin Marks
Hey guys
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian.
- Robert Scoble
what is klout's purpose ... who really cares ?
- studentforce
I know I have Klout when John Taschek returns my call
- studentforce
Tim Berners-Lee has 51 klout. mm-hm.
- Kevin Marks
how do they measure it ?? Quantity; quality ??
- studentforce
the problem with klout is that there really aren't many alternatives.
- Danny Starr
lol if you are basing anything like pay or hiring on klout, you're nuts and desire what you got when they changed it
- Danny Starr
ripples
- Christian Burns
an attempt at klout is worthless without incorporating personas.
- Jerry Schuman
Justin Bieber has a Klout score of 100.
- Alex de Soto
ripples - that sounds interesting
- studentforce
klout is fun for people that like their ego boosted :)
- Christian Burns
there is no specificity for klout scores...
- Jerry Schuman
define high score
- Christian Burns
Beyonce used to be the big case against Klout because she had a huge klout score and a bunch of followers but never tweeted once
- Danny Starr
actually Hanson was 2000
- Jerry Schuman
how does one access 'ripples'
- studentforce
ripples are only available on Public posts in Plus... access them from the down arrow on the right of each post
- Jerry Schuman
the fact that Neilsen has never been a player in online analytics speaks volumes
- Jerry Schuman
I thought they owned one of the web tracking co's
- Kevin Marks
played is the verb
- Kevin Marks
script kiddies
- Jerry Schuman
sensor networks are the future...
- Jerry Schuman
Jawbone's new UP bracelet...
- Jerry Schuman
there's an XKCD fro that: http://xkcd.com/300/
- Kevin Marks
tied to a mobility platform
- Jerry Schuman
Aggregation 2.0 is going to be the next big disruption
- Jerry Schuman
Hanson - MMMMMM Bop - 1997 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... / Jerry
- John Taschek
I'm going to the "real" movies tonight. Tower Heist
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Netflix doesn't have 10% of the worlds movies, Obama needs to legalize piracy, then all the movies can just go up on YouTube or any other servers and you can get any movie for just paying $10/month through taxes
- Charbax
Amazon Prime type of yearly pricing should provide unlimited access to all ebooks, articles, text etc
- Charbax
Guess they started a bit earlier... time gets fuzzy. They came to birthday party for one of my daughters band mates which was around 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jerry Schuman
Hanson still performs - they've actually matured as a band -- they are not bad.
- John Taschek
I heard they were actually very talented musicians
- Jerry Schuman
nice guys in person too...
- Jerry Schuman
Apple made it buggy
- Charbax
I never used Google Reader sharing features, now I will share lots of RSS stuff from Google Reader to Google+
- Charbax
expedient
- studentforce
Never touch Google reader since my Ipad with the Reeder app.... I've never consumed RSS more efficiently
- Jerry Schuman
and they have AWS which lowers their TCO for deploying those services and new offerings
- Jerry Schuman
Google Reader Trends are cool.
- Alex de Soto
the netflix price hike is because movie studios wanted more money. Why should netflix sell the subscription at a loss?
- Charbax
AWS is Amazon's equivalent to Apple's hoarding cash.
- Jerry Schuman
Have you seen the new BloombergTV app on iPad?
- Jerry Schuman
It's pitiful that Amtrak is just getting around to putting it on trains.
- Jerry Schuman
they have a nice iPad app for Hipmunk, Steve.
- Jerry Schuman
Arrived late, enjoi reading comments
- cliveb
Thanks! Jerry: yeah, the Bloomberg app is quite nice.
- Robert Scoble
was a real good show. Thanks Gang and thanks chat room guests. We all create a dynamic show togehter.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie. http://www.mensjournal.com/everyth...
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Nerd Venn Diagram
!lker yoldas. )°(, Shevonne, Bruce Lewis and 42 other people liked this
I think I'm just a dweeb, LOL. I don't really have any unhealthy obsessions. :)
- rowlikeagirl
I don't think the diagram makes a distinction between unhealthy and healthy obsessions, so...
- Vicarbott
I think that makes me a geek?
- LANjackal
Only a Nerd could have analysed this concept, drawn that diagram, and posted it here. Go Nerds!
- Bob Hitching
Nerds FTW!
- Mr. Gunn
Prediction: ChromeOS will be killed next year (or "merged" with Android)
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Sure! iPad changed the game
- Guy Vander Heyden
maybe it would stay and grow like android did ipad is nowhere near chrome OS notebooks
- testbeta
Why? Couldn't ChromeOS and Android become the equivalents to Apple's Mac OS and iOS?
- Pablo Melchor
ChromeOS feels structurally cleaner, more futuristic. I mean, it's so... thin!
- Toph Tucker
Because ChromeOS has no purpose that isn't better served by Android (perhaps with a few mods to support a non-touch display).
- Paul Buchheit
also predicted: bear sh!ts in woods. even eric schmidt has said publicly that chromeOS was a side-bet against its own android. as for Mac OS and iOS, eventually we'll see a unified iOS on those, too.
- Patrick Keys
Yeah, I was thinking, "is this too obvious to even state?", but then I see people taking ChromeOS seriously, and Google is even shipping devices for some reason.
- Paul Buchheit
If Google were to take the "activity model" of Android and add it to Chrome as a way for different apps to interact/share data than from a developer perpective, there is not much value in using a proprietary Android dev model versus using HTML5++ (unless may be for games). So from a developer/programming model, Google would be better off killing Android - Chrome/ChromeOS is a better WebOS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
ChromeOS = 1 Laptop Per Child / dumb terminals. If that works, then yes. If it sucks, then your OP is correct
- Johnny
That or like the dream of a lot of Apple users (iOS sitting on OSX so you can select either), ChromeOS could be the browser-based corporate solution for road warriors on the Android system.
- Johnny
If it has no purpose, then why does it have competition? It's true competition is from MeeGo/ JoliCloud/ Win-7 Basic/ Ubuntu. Its undoing could be Intel Atom vs. Dual Core ARM Cortex A9. So currently the purpose is to be the the Android equivalent for x86 machines.
- Umang Saini
Hah, TechCrunch has already picked up this prediction: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Bruce Lewis
I think that a lot of people are seeing the browser as the one and only future app platform, and given that, I think that Google is hoping the need for native apps will simply go away. They're in the position to influence that through Chrome (the browser). Chrome has been built to speed up overall market innovation. On the app side, they make sure that all "basics" can be done on the...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel...
- FullSite
In the end, Google might not even care that much whether people use Chrome OS or not. Just like Amazon doesn't care if you use the Kindle (the hardware). Google just wants to be the full-service middle-man in your overall "computing" experience, just like Amazon wants to be the middle-man for books (or reading). But like Amazon ensures there's a superior end-user experience for their...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel - Good one alex
- PXLated
That the "simplified" user experience is qualitatively different than the "regular" or "traditional" user experience is a common mistake developer-in-a-bubble organizations make. It really is a matter of degree, not quality: there's no reason why, with minor modifications to the interface, certain devices couldn't just boot up Android's browser by default and give the same benefits...
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- Mark Trapp
To be honest, Chrome OS sounds more like the product Google wants rather than the product that's actually successful (Android), and that alone is its raison d'être.
- Mark Trapp
like friendfeed last year
- Ibrahim Ozturkcan
Whether they are merged or not, I am happy, as a consumer, that Google has taken the pains to put out two champion products - Android rocks (on the phone) and Chrome the browser rocks (can't talk about the OS since I don't have access to it yet). From the UX perspective, if they could make the COS work on tablets, it would be a bigger win than Android running on tablets.
- Suresh R Iyer
well, numbers will decide ;-) => millions of smartphones +tablets
- JacopoGio
Possible Google Strategy:- Own-up Java with Android, Own-up Linux further with Chrome OS.
- Vinod
If this is the Sun terminal revistited, then there is no reason to keep it around. I want my free laptop before it's all over though.
- Eric
Having used the closest (refined) product out there to it, Jolicloud, I have to say it's (VERY) fast, highly addictive...and actually a time saver for me. Agree the 'merger' is likely but Linux still has a huge base of developers that don't cost Google a dime. Think a better question (any predictions?) might be ... What's going to happen to Firefox? (and the huge Google infusion that goes along with it).
- Charlie Anzman
Mark - Yes, probably because it's Schmidt's long running wet dream, the network computer.
- PXLated
ChromeOS is little late.
- Ashish
Chrome OS greatest achievement is bringing full web browser to ARM Processors, so we can have $99 ARM Powered laptops soon. Sure it would probably be possible to add Android functionality to Chrome OS (an extra icon in the task bar) and vice-versa add a Chrome browser icon in Android as well. The main thing is the web browser needs to be optimized for embedded Linux devices that are ARM Powered.
- Charbax
mind sharing a prediction as to when they kill friendfeed?
- солнышок
I think it'll kickstart HTML5 if anything. I don't think it'll outright die though. There will be a use for secure terminals and kiosks. For normal consumers, a cheaper netbook that only browses the web without really worrying about the OS is appealing.
- Rodfather
If I'm hearing Meryn correctly, I like the idea that Chrome could push things away from app-happy land and back into browser land. I think apps are kind of a novelty that needs to eventually go away or, at least, be reined in. I hate apps that don't do anything different than what a browser can do.
- Laura Norvig
hi paul, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about your opinion for wired.it, may I have your contact by private message?
- Silvio Gulizia
ChromeOS to Android - Yes. Browser based OS in the mainstream long past overdue and really a reality today with Windows - just track my wife's usage. I could though plop a well configured ChromeOS notebook or tablet down in front of her and she wouldn't lose a beat and nor would probably about 75% of her world(friends, family, etc) and we geeks would love not to have to deal with more...
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- Brad Nickel
Laura, I think ChromeOS apps will push sites to go toward 'app-happy land' in the beginning. The current site will be the standard website where everything will work. Then an app-like site using HTML5 to prep for the mobile app. A UI that would work well with the common denominator of mobile devices, the browser.
- Rodfather
Charbax - Go to Walgreens(if in US) and you can buy a $99 ARM based Windows CE device by Sylvania today. It probably sucks, but they have em.
- Brad Nickel
What about Linux? Any predictions there? Figured I'd ask while everyone is feeling "predictive". Was an Ubuntu mention, but it seems like the Linux conversation has been muted lately.
- Liza + = ?
I would prefer Android to merged with ChromeOS, not the other way round
- Ian
I hope so!
- Naceron
Spanish leading newspaper El Pais has also picked this prediction:) http://www.elpais.com/articul...
- Gabriel Aldamiz-echevarri
@Paul Buchheit (TeamFrank), what you're failing to see is that Web 3.0 is the world trend now, is not something google suddenly invented. Also, the Chrome Web app store will be the one who defines if cOS is successful or not, just like in android. I think google has learned lots in this area, thanks to androids app marketplace. and remember even if you like it or not, web apps will...
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- manny
@Liza hollers, actually chromeOS is based on linux (i think ubuntu). So all progress made either way the other one will benefit from. Specially on the Kernel and web technologies.
- manny
Manny - didn't know that it was based on ubuntu. I love being called @liza hollers:)
- Liza + = ?
Great, now Slashdot even has a link to this thread: http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
- Gabe
And I predict: You would have stayed at Google if you got it ;)
- HateBadDesign
I predict: you're just bitter about anything Google does at this point because Friendfeed has been such a colossal failure.
- xxdesmus
Wow, slashdot is still around? Is that where the crazy haters are coming from?
- Paul Buchheit
I am not really sure why there are two operating systems from Google in the first place. Has anybody supplied a rational explanation for the duplication of effort? Is this likely to be a costly mistake for Google?
- Brian Sullivan
the best combo would be for the android browser to continue to import features from chrome, including the ability to install a web app on an android device, have its icon show up in the apps list, etc.
- Karl Rosaen
any predictions on Yahoo? After their announcement about delicious I'm in the mood to hear a hideous and nasty prognosis.
- JSLeFanu
Yahoo is already dead :)
- Paul Buchheit
You mean tonight's.
- Micah
Spotted this on Slashdot by an anonymous source. Silly birds.
- Liza + = ?
"Yahoo: Where startups go to die."
- Gabe
Karl: I'm sure somebody will point you to this, sooner or later: http://android.git.kernel.org/...
- Marcos Marado
So everything in android runs on a java virtual machine, which in turn runs on linux. Chrome has a blazing fast conscript engine and it to runs on a modified linux. Chrome must also have a basic jvm to support java applets in the web. So realistically all we need is google to as the android jvm backbone into chrome os! Then we get super efficient chrome is baseline that can launch any...
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- Sean
from Android
10 days left to kill or merge!
- Jérôme
Niagara Falls ran dry: Photos show moment iconic waterfall came to standstilll - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
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"It's taken 41 years, but a previously unseen set of photos of the mighty Niagara Falls reduced to nothing more than a barren cliff-top have finally surfaced. The stark images reveal North America's iconic - and most powerful - waterfall to be almost as dry as a desert. In June 1969, U.S. engineers diverted the flow of the Niagara River away from the American side of the falls for several months."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
And THAT is why you don't want to fall off the side.
- Eric
Doesn't it freeze up in the winter some times?
- Gabe
Gabe: it can't freeze due to the amount of water flowing, but there have been mitigating factors in the past (like ice dams forming upstream) that have created walkable parts. Trivia: they control the precise amount of water that flows over the falls, and throttle it back at night for hydropower.
- Mark Trapp
Wow looks like Super 8 footage
- Rodfather
Mark: Apparently ice dams can stop water flow altogether, but it hasn't happened since maybe 1848. What happens is that ice ends up covering the river and the falls (such that you were allowed to walk on it up to about 100 years ago), but the water still flows underneath it.
- Gabe
Well that's amusing. I'm surprised that an os with approximately zero users would have so many fans. For the record, I'm a big believer in the "instant on, cloud-based os" future, but that platform will be known as Android (and iOS).
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I'm on your side Paul! :)
- Oguz Serdar
It's certainly a strangely positioned product, but having used one, I find it oddly "good". It's much less crufty than my Android phone. Very clean and simple, and that can speak volumes.
- Steve and 3 other people
There are some who call it... Tim.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I didn't read any of those articles. Did any of their authors seem to be "fans"?
- Gabe
No, but many of the comments were from people who said that I "didn't get it", or that I'm ugly.
- Paul Buchheit
I don't get that Paul is ugly. Wait. What?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Google fans are at times, and increasingly, more insufferable than Apple fans ever were. It must be weird to have an off-hand comment on FriendFeed blown into such a huge story. Unless that's what you were intending; if so: well played.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I've had innocuous posts blow up like that before. It usually starts with a single person tweeting the post with a @techmeme at-reply, and it snowballs from there.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: someone actually used something you said a year ago as a flame on the initial TechCrunch story: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Mark Trapp
Oh shit. Okay Paul, apparently the Internet has decided that IT IS ON between us. Fight!
- Kevin Fox
The irony is that I'm currently working on the Open Web Apps initiative at Mozilla Labs, which if wildly successful will mean that apps are installed and used across devices irrespective of the device's OS, rendering the difference between a tablet-sized ChromeOS and a tablet-sized AndroidOS device largely moot.
- Kevin Fox
I'm looking forward to the days of moot.
- Micah
New TechCrunch headline: "Mozilla working on Chrome OS killer"
- Mark Trapp
Micah, if I had some butcher paper I'd make you a Jump to Conclusions mat with a single 'moot' square.
- Kevin Fox
New TechMeme headline: "Mark Trapp newest editor at TechCrunch"
- Kevin Fox
Forget stock pumping-and-dumping: social media pump-and-dumps are where it's at. Quick, someone who used to work at Google say I'm Steve Jobs's successor! It'll have to be true!
- Mark Trapp
Why are you eating popcorn, Johnny? You're supposed to me MCing this momunental showdown!!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
The name of that "instant on, cloud-based OS" does not matter. What matters is the application model and the glue between those applications. Are you saying that in the future developers will be coding Java Apps, using a proprietary markup, no URLs, no introspection and searchability?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I wonder how long before people realize that the cloud is just the mainframe of the future and decide that we should own our apps and data...
- Gabe
my thoughts :) http://techcrunch.com/2010... great discussions, BTW. except for the shots at TC :)
- MG Siegler
wow, MG Siegler is still on FF. that's huge. BTW, you were amazing @LeWeb! :)
- Oguz Serdar
I prefer the more web-based development model, but that will undoubtably be supported by Android.
- Paul Buchheit
My favorite is the one that calls you "gmail's daddy" o_0
- Laura Norvig
Laura, that's it. I will now solely refer to SJobs as the 'Mac Daddy' (And David Atkison, and Larry Tessler. There are a lot of Mac Daddies.
- Kevin Fox
It's an obvious branding issue, but what I'm not sure about is the enterprise market. Releasing with citrix support was a surprise, not that I think our current network system can support that.
- Todd Hoff
The question is native apps or no native apps. If Android loses its native apps, it could as well be called ChromeOS. But maybe the Android brand wins. Me personally I'm more fond of the Chrome brand, also because it's available without special hardware on Windows and Mac. Much like Kindle.
- Meryn Stol
BTW I don't believe Android will go away any time soon. It's a great competitor to iOS. Heck, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of Android coming to pc's. Google has plenty of developer resources available to please *any* constituency, whether they like a traditional OS like Android or a "web os" like ChromeOS.
- Meryn Stol
What would be logical if both iOS and Android gain the ability to make web apps first-class citizens of their OS. Much like Fluid on the Mac, and the new taskbar pinning of IE9. I think there comes a time where only geeks can tell the difference between native and web on these platforms. ChromeOS would by definition have less apps than Android, because it lacks the native Android apps, but less than many is still a lot. And still enough for many. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: that already exists in iOS. Mobile Safari allows users to create icons to web apps on the home screen that act just like normal app icons, and Mobile Safari takes full advantage of everything that makes HTML5 apps "apps". A perfect example of an app taking full advantage of what Mobile Safari has to offer is Glyphboard: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post... After "installation" there is no difference between it and a regular app.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I didn't know. Actually got my first iOS device today (iPad). But, making icons is only the very first step. For example, would a web-app be able to use iOS multitasking api's? I think not. That would need to be supported by Safari (one hell of a challenge I would guess... practically rocket science). I'll check out glyphboard. I have much to learn. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: actually, they do. Web apps have all the support Mobile Safari has, including multitasking. The web as a platform on iOS enjoys first-class support from Apple, and is currently mostly limited to people's imaginations.
- Mark Trapp
I wonder if Apple would let Chrome on iOS? If my analogy with Kindle is correct, Google would want Chrome everywhere. There, they can add support for their app store. But I think Apple would hate that. I think Amazon has been forced to do payments through Safari.
- Meryn Stol
Now I don't understand what your point is, other than to move the goalposts. What does Apple allowing Chrome on iOS have to do with making the web a first-class citizen? Mobile Safari arguably has better support than even Android's bundled browser, and allows web apps *now* to interact with much of the device.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, actually nothing. I was addressing two different subjects at the same time. My bad. Both Apple and Google are the only ones able to make web apps seem native on their respective mobile platforms.
- Meryn Stol
But the competitive landscape that is emerging in my head looks very interesting... I really wonder what Apple's web strategy will be... They can't simply let Google have it all in the future. They'll need to try to be a middle man on the web too. They're positioned fine...
- Meryn Stol
In the short term, they might be content with just people buying through the chrome web store. But long-term? OTOH I think Jobs has claimed that the app store is not a profit center for Apple. I'd be fine with Apple in the long term receding to making just absolutely superior, "lickable" hardware.
- Meryn Stol
Apple's been at the forefront at pushing the web forward: they spearheaded WebKit and were telling developers in 2007 the future of apps was the web. It wasn't until much later that they built the App Store after developers insisted that apps were the way to go. The App Store turned out to be wildly successful, but there's no doubt the web is incredibly important to companies like Apple...
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- Mark Trapp
I agree. But I'm still wondering about whether Apple sometimes does want to be a middle man. They had beef with Amazon (and perhaps others?) re in-app payments. I don't know the details of the story though.
- Meryn Stol
There is no evidence to suggest, and Apple has published everything one could possibly publish to the contrary, that they want to get in the middle of the user and the web; they regulate the App Store, iOS, and the physical devices for their business interests and quality control. In app payments are exactly that: payments within apps that have been distributed through the...
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- Mark Trapp
I'm just thinking that maybe Apple's beef with Amazon was a fairness consideration. Jobs has said that they take a cut from app purchases to pay for the app store infrastructure (and sponsoring the free apps). Kindle app is free, so would be sponsored, yet each install would probably result in substantial money flows (one book is more expensive than a lot of apps). Maybe they should...
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- Meryn Stol
Paul is right. I don't see how Chrome OS can get anywhere. It's like they are trying to solve a 1999 problem. Too bad it's 10 years too late. Now, leave me alone while I play with my connected watch and my new Nexus S.
- Robert Scoble
don't know what to say
- testbeta
I love lamp.
- Mark J
remember android too wasn't taken seriously by many in its initial stages it was expected to fade away, but then google gave nexus with help from manufacturers, chrome os comes with a hardware it mght be difficult but lets see how laptop companies see it do they bring out chrome os based notebooks? because it ight actually cut costs, a chrome os notebook is expected to be cheaper than usual win or iOS based notebooks even netbooks lets see how asus sees it
- testbeta
Please stop using ISP email (Gmail is free!). I just discovered that one relatively common ISP seems to be blocking some of our emails because they include the url http://groups.google.com/group... (with that removed, the message gets delivered).
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Spam filtering is too complex to be left up to random perl scripts or whatever these people use. Several months back, a different ISP was blocking our email because the from address included the word "friend" (as in "friendfeed.com").
- Paul Buchheit
i've noted a similar trend as well. most people on isp email (ahem, comcast & earthlink) have a setting that kickbacks anything that isn't coming from an approved list...and the default msg manages to come off as both retarded and pretentious in a "i need to stock shelves of canned food in preparation for y2k" kind of way. i think earthlink's notice even suggests you to CALL the person you're trying to contact so they can add you to their approved list. very annoying.
- James Miao
Sadly, for most people, using email that isn't provided by their ISP is like using a phone that wasn't provided by the phone company before Carterphone. You're playing with dangerous wiring, and 'who do you call if the bell doesn't ring?'.
- Robin Barooah
Big deal, Gmail is currently blocking yahoo-inc.com addresses. It is a hard problem and no one does it perfectly.
- Sam Pullara
Sam, it's very unlikely that they are blocking all of yahoo-inc.com. Perhaps you did a "Report Spam" on that address previously? (which could cause blocking for your account) Regardless, the fact that nobody is perfect does not excuse those that are awful.
- Paul Buchheit
Maybe it wasn't obvious, but just because an ISP is blocking some email messages with that URL in them it doesn't imply that the spam filter that it has is awful. It probably has just gotten a lot of spam with google groups urls in them.
- Sam Pullara
it is interesting how many people stick with their ISP email service. I guess it is hard to change your email identity especially if you have used the one you already have for long.
- Davide D'Incau
I was just going to post a question about best practices re: startups sending email. I am sending email directly from a server with SPF, domainkeys and DKIM all setup correctly. Yahoo still seems to want to put our emails into spam folders for some users. Any pointers on what to avoid (the emails I am sending are very short and contain only some text, a link and a unsubscribe link)/how to debug?
- Arvind Sundararajan
As far as I can tell, there aren't any great options. Some startups that don't have to send much mail just route it through Google. I think there are also some equivalent paid services, but I don't know how good any of them are. As you recall, even Gmail had trouble getting past broken spam filters sometimes.
- Paul Buchheit
I haven't used ISP mail for the best part of ten years. I've changed ISP three times in that time, so it would have been a pain in the ass and expense to keep telling everyone and reprinting cards etc. It's worth paying for a domain for that reason alone, or, nowadays using reliable spam-free email like Gmail. (I gave up on Hotmail and Yahoo way back).
- Ian May
gmail works great for me. I do not see any spam on it. Only stuff I am expecting to find there.
- Davide D'Incau
For our 20-person company, we've been using Google Apps + IMAP very happily for over a year.
- Jeremy Dunck
Even people in my own relatively tech-savvy family still use @aol and @earthlink addresses. It's not that they don't want to use Gmail or similar upgrade, its that they don't want to give up an address that they've had for 10, 15, 20 years. Weird when compared to a few generations later (kids today), when email addresses are treated as disposable identities. However, comcast and earthlink should just outsource email to someone more ... modern.
- DeWitt Clinton
I find it strange that people use ISP e-mail because they want to keep their e-mail address. My parents have changed their e-mail address at least once when they changed providers. Also, their ISP only offers POP3 access. No IMAP. Of course, of the free e-mail out there, only gmail offers IMAP (that I know of).
- Robert Felty
The only reason I haven't completely chucked my AOL mail is because I want to keep those screen names for IMing since I've had them for forever and a day. Unfortunately some family members only know me by those e-mail addys, so it's been a slow uphill battle to get them to start switching to either my hotmail or gmail accounts. I'll win one of these days...
- Hookuh Tinypants
Amanda: you can login as your AOL screen name in Gmail and chat there http://mail.google.com/support...
- Benjamin Golub
Oh I don't use the AOL app for anything anymore. I'm all web-based anyway, and I use Digsby for chat. But the problem is that if I cancel my AOL account, they will cancel my screen names. Which means I will have to get all new screen names because they don't release canceled names back into the wild for like six months.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Not sure what you are saying -- that everybody should only use Gmail? There is a whole range of email providers out there -- free, not free, self managed, outsourced with varying degrees of spam management. Gmail is better than most, but still screws up.
- Brian Sullivan
Back when we got our service from Verizon, they not only included a Verizon email address, but also bundled in MSN, including an msn.com (hotmail) account. I haven't checked the former address in years, but use the latter for my IRL personal communications.
- Ontario Emperor
I son't see any problem with a FFer promoting a given web service in their posts. Happens all the time in fact. Gmail is free and ISP email usually sucks. If you don't like gmail there are other options and you're free to post about them. And if Paul's talking about the same ISP that I have, they pull this kind of crap all the time.
- Vicarbott
Point taken, but the tangential question is why do you use a google group as your main vehicle for user support?
- Laura Norvig
Laura, I actually just replaced the groups link with a link to the friendfeed-feedback room. My point however is that I should not have to worry about a groups.google.com url or some other random detail causing email to get blocked by some dumb filter. I noticed another ISP that blocks our daily-summary emails whenever they include amazon.com links (from someone's wishlist). FriendFeed is full of links, so these naive filters will always cause problems for our users.
- Paul Buchheit
As an aside, I'm not quite sure that FF is yet profiting from our data. Google certainly is because of the ads, but FF isn't quite there yet...
- FFing Enigma
V, I would bet that Gmail protects your privacy better than your ISP does. That said, I agree that there should be multiple competent email providers. I wish that Gmail would open up their sender reputation data, since that's the most powerful and reliable bit in the spam filtering equation. However, even if they do that, most ISPs will still suck because they don't know better, don't care, and their customers don't realize what's going on.
- Paul Buchheit
Are there really ISPs who don't give end users control over whether to use the ISPs spam filters or not? I have ATT, which uses Yahoo Mail, and I can choose whether to use Yahoo filters or get the raw feed (and I do both, on different accounts). I do wish Gmail would let me POP/IMAP my spam folder, if I so chose, some of my Gmail accounts are obscure enough to never get spam and I don't want to miss anything.
- Tinfoil 2.0
"I would bet that Gmail protects your privacy better than your ISP does". Having worked at an ISP all I have to say is "here here!". People think Gmail is evil because they "read" your email to put some ads on it but don't care if your ISP sends your email through something like an IronPort to detect spam.
- Benjamin Golub
The irony is that those same heavyhanded span filters can't be particularly effective otherwise span would have been rendered cost ineffective by now.
- Robin Barooah
I said the same to mum in email tonight... she uses aol she sent pictures of her and dad on holinday in texas...they never showed..crap... i set up a gmail account for her..hopefully she will use it. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Every time Verizon/Yahoo gets a twich, my Mozilla Thunderbird goes down and cannot access the servers. But my Gmail still works. So I would like to go with GMail, completely, but, would I still be using the Verizon/Yahoo servers? Is GMail available through its own servers? Not completely savvy about this. Chris
- Chris Conner
Well, in defense of that ISP... Even Google doesn't use Google Groups, for some of its products because of the spam presumably.
- Space Cowboy
Google's Secret Social Initiative Delayed Until Spring 2011 - http://mashable.com/2010...
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"So what is causing the delay? The likely culprit is disagreement on the design, purpose and execution of the project. One of our sources told us that he/she has heard “tales of disorganization and too many different teams working parallel or in conflict.”"
- Paul Buchheit
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Meanwhile, http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Paul Buchheit
cant wait :-)
- philsmirnov
Paul it must be a relief that you can post on these matters now that you are no longer associated with Facebook or Google.
- Shakeel Mahate
Well obviously, they need to throw more people at it :)
- Private Sanjeev
Around the same time you posted this, Peter posted a link to a blog post praising the culture of engineers at Google http://friendfeed.com/peterno... But I think that culture can also be a problem. Engineers can make the coolest products in the world, but do they understand how the masses are using social? How frictionless it needs to be? How, as...
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- Laura Norvig
Hanging out in the backyard
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Paul was busy fixing Friendfeed while the kids did their thing. Now that the weather is getting nicer, we can spend more time in the backyard in the evenings and at dinnertime.
- April Buchheit
from email
Ah, the phrase 'Paul was busy fixing FriendFeed' makes me feel so pleasant.
- Akiva
Me too, Akiva.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
*sniff*
- WoH: Minding her Steves
So April, is it really because of the good weather, or is it that you wouldn't let him back into the house until FriendFeed got fixed? ;-)
- Bruce Lewis
I can see myself in Paul's screen! LOL j/k
- Jorge Escobar
I'm torn between Paul missing time with the kids and FF getting fixed. Two incredibly important ways of spending his time. My wife is an excellent nanny if you guys need help. ;)
- SAM
BEST. PIC. EVAR. because of what it means, especially after this week of FF bashing from the infidels. And yes, Paul and family, thank you very much.
- Josh Haley
Sam, we have other photo/video evidence that Paul does indeed spend time with his kids.
- Bruce Lewis
Yay! :) Thanks, Paul! And April. :)
- LB so u no it's real
hanging out online you mean Paul LOL
- Thomas Power
Thanks Paul! And April & Camilla & Thomas!
- Ruchira S. Datta
thank you, :)
- chaz2b
April, Johnny linked here from a thread of Akiva's – http://friendfeed.com/akiva... - Thank you guys again for rescuing us last night and this morning.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
:)
- April Buchheit
Ha, is that a baseball bat near Paul's chair. :)
- Space Cowboy
Why yes, it is, Space Cowboy. :)
- April Buchheit
All that backyard space and everyones at or on the table. :)
- SteVe C
My wife goes bonkers if I'm doing anything except watching the kid when I'm watching the kid. No phone tinkering, no laptop, no nothing. In many ways, she's right though. I see so many parents when I go out that are too involved in their gadgets to hang with their kids. So many parents on their phones at the children's museum, using the museum as their babysitter. Look, this is an opportunity to interact with your child, not an opportunity to get your tweets in.
- Fleagle
Fleagle: the only thing worse than parents who think their kid needs constant interaction with them is parents who think their kid needs no interaction with them. I can't imagine what it would be like to grow up never being allowed outside of my parents' sight.
- Gabe
Those two sentences seem to contradict themselves, unless I misunderstood you. Granted, my son is 2 now, so my interaction is based on that. Things change with age, of course. And he actually gets tons of interaction/stimulation from other people...especially kids...on a daily basis. My wife is one amazing mother. She's an inspiration.
- Fleagle
Proof that Google is racist.
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holy shit...
- Rafael
Uh.. WHOA!
- Linda Lawrey
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the people at Google put this in there on purpose.
- Akiva
lol - conspiracy!
- Jesse Stay
They may want to add an exception for that, though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
are u serious thomas? wtf?
- teymur madjderey
annoying popup, but... http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-bi...
- motownmutt
If you're banking on Google to recover your car after a grand thief auto, you might want to try other resources. Bing?
- Micah
Me and my family just picked ourselves up off the floor and dried our eyes after ROFL'ing profusely at this...
- Rah-PM 2012
LOL! <sarcasm>I am going to go talk to the Race Czar's about this immediately!</sarcasm>
- EricaJoy
if you search for "blakc peolpestole my car" you can see the same result.. just change for the correct one and take a print screen... hahaha this is hell funny
- Rafael
FAIL!
- Wayne Sutton
huh...I tried both and neither gave a 'did you mean....' Why the difference?
- George Gray
George, this was from earlier. I think it's probably been fixed by now.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't reproduce the results either. Even more proof that Google's damage control department works real f-a-s-t
- BLOGBloke
I can reproduce these results (as it's fake). 1 - Do a google search for 'balck people stole my car' 2 - when the results come back, in the search box type 'white people stole my car'. 3 - Screenshot and fool everyone.
- Will Higgins™
Thomas...ah...I was catching up on my feed and didn't notice when the message posted. Still, I have noticed different results when using Google from: the browser search bar, going right to google.com and when logged into google via iGoogle. Weird.
- George Gray
This reminds me of how commercials for home alarm systems always feature white criminals.
- Akiva
Dude, you win 1000 times over for use of the word 'colored'. I'm about as far from a racist as you can get but that shit cracks me up every time.
- Akiva
これはひどい
- as365n2
i think that google isnt racist, but people that use it yes..infact google shows firstly the most popular results.....this is my opinion..and please apologize me formy english..i'm italian!w La pizza!
- Lyssa
they did it as the Chinese government did.
- xia
seems they fix it somehow.
- Mike
Lyssa's right. Google is a mirror.
- Vicarbott
*Now* "white people stole my car" beats "black people stole my car" in a Google Duel, 3:1
- Tim Tyler
I sense a really nasty meme being created :-(
- Ian D. Nock
That's it, I'm going to Ask.com! lol
- Bryan R. Adams
paranoid approaches.
- takmaz
I posted that a couple days ago and someone debunked it almost immediately.
- Ben Hanten
再現できないが.....
- jx0
google is funny! i stole the car
- HansVanRock
Oh wowwww ... SMH lol
- Iesha G
old wives tale http://www.inquisitr.com/34819...
- Laura Norvig
RT @hum_ph: Yeehaw! Optus cable broadband speed just increased another 3x - making it now about 50x faster than our TPG ADSL2+ service!
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Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 11:00AM PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I'm standing by waiting for the usual call.
- Robert Scoble
Cool!
- Stephen Pickering
Hey Scoble, it's not that Paul.
- Cliff Gerrish
Oh, crap. It's Paul Carr then?
- Robert Scoble
Which Paul will it be....
- Chris Aldrich
It's a mystery Paul, you'll need to tune in to see.
- Cliff Gerrish
McCartney? :-))))
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: now THAT would be a show!
- Robert Scoble
Heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
We will be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
http://twitter.com/brianstorms is our special guest. Brian Dear.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang recording session live with Brian Dear, Paul Carr, Kevin Marks & Scoble- http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Ahhh, cool, thanks for the link
- Stephen Pickering
The Plato birthday party will be at the Computer History Museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/events...
- Cliff Gerrish
They did a great job
- Stephen Pickering
hmmm. Friendfeed isn't letting me post. trying from a different place.
- Karoli
Karoli: that worked.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli, I'm seeing your post saying you aren't able to post.
- Cliff Gerrish
This is a classic battle of who has the most leverage. Happens in every industry
- Stephen Pickering
It's sort of like when Apple got rid of the disk drive.
- Cliff Gerrish
Bah. Buy the 3G. The iPad's all about convenience.
- Ken Sheppardson
yes, posting from the NGL beta window works.
- Karoli
Re: iPad - interesting post by Fred Wilson changing his opinion about the iPad: http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
- Mike Doeff
the Evo has lasted me for 2 days without plugging in
- David Robit Chen
It's really a format question... why isn't there more cross interaction between my three screens: television, computer, and phone/mobile device?
- Chris Aldrich
We're going to buy the 3G. It makes sense to have one that goes on the road.
- Karoli
I'm really annoyed that I pay AT&T $120/mo and not tethering
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, the smaller screens need to control the bigger screens.
- Cliff Gerrish
And I can't hear my phone calls
- Stephen Pickering
Task killer? Now that just reminds me horribly of my days prior to iPhone, aka when I suffered with Windows Mobile.
- Nick Wade
I think it's the other way around, the big screens need to allow the smaller screens in for interaction.
- Chris Aldrich
3G is the fill in network. Filling in the cracks between wifi signals.
- Cliff Gerrish
Karoli: Do it. I messed with a tethered WiFi for a bit, then got a 3G... 3G rulez. Not having to worry about another device is worth it.
- Ken Sheppardson
I got the 3G iPad last week. I haven't activated it yet but I like knowing it's there.
- Mike Doeff
Yeah, but why won't AT&T let me get the 3G off my iPhone for my iPad?
- Stephen Pickering
Berkeley/Oakland, no iPad sighting for me yet
- Da
I can't see paying an extra $30 a month for signal if you already have an iPhone. Spend the 20 seconds it takes to run Spirit on the iPhone, then install MyWi, and voila. Easy WiFi Tethering for your cheaper iPad.
- Otto
But then Apple doesn't make as much Brian if they don't tether you to the iTunes store.... That's the real tethering issue.
- Chris Aldrich
I think we'll see iPad sync via wifi fairly soon. That's what the Lala.com acquisition was about.
- Cliff Gerrish
And now Google has a UI Expert!
- Stephen Pickering
Yep. Just like my Palm Pre. Apple could do it if they wanted to. It's not unique to Android.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like Google eats UI experts alive.
- Cliff Gerrish
And open source advocates, and startups...
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian Dear has Androids new slogan: 'A phone that a sysadmin would love...'
- Cliff Gerrish
Kind of like the Hollywood mantra... Porn directors drive old cheap Corollas so they can save money for liquor and drugs.
- Chris Aldrich
Brian makes a good point. The iTunes synch makes the whole iPad experience too complex for novice users.
- Mike Doeff
Buying a computer at Target or Walmart is a different experience
- Da
The problem with that argument is that there aren't 11 fake versions of me on Facebook.
- Chris Aldrich
Yes, but there may be more than one Chris Aldrich
- Stephen Pickering
If you want to be found, yes, you make things public. That shouldn't be his call.
- Ken Sheppardson
Who's call should it be?
- Cliff Gerrish
there are over 10k versions of me on Facebook :) - until you start narrowing in on my nicknames
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What about the issue Leo has about that Facebook is making a "grab" to control the web?
- Stephen Pickering
Didn't we have this same convo last week? And the week before? And the week before that?
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook has 500 million co-conspirators in its 'grab' for the web
- Cliff Gerrish
I've argued that you should have two separate pages, one public facing the other totally private
- Stephen Pickering
I'm having trouble understanding how Facebook opening up more is a grab for the web. The more public it is, the easier to scrape & repurpose.
- Ian McGee
sounds like Facebook is trying to make the same change that sites like Geocities tried - the move from hobby/personal to hobby/personal/business
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But even my flower shop should be able to post up drunken photos and have privacy settings to prevent all of my Mormon customers from seeing them.
- Chris Aldrich
I think Leo is talking about the "Like" implementation
- Stephen Pickering
So what do we do when the bad starts to creep up? When the porn sites, smashers, hackers and unethical users begin to leverage this power and blame it on Facebook?
- Jeff Madlock
calling us dumb isn't really great for getting us to listen. do you think we're not aware they sell data?
- Karoli
Banking and Airlines operate in a very strict regulatory regime. Europe has started that regime.
- Cliff Gerrish
Adding a like button is opt in.
- Cliff Gerrish
I like the "like" button myself but I'm just re iterating Leo's argument. What happens when you like something? Do the users know their data is being collected and funneled through third parties when they "like" something?
- Stephen Pickering
With Facebook and privacy, one can use the cigarette analogy: doing it is bad for you in the long term, but a smoke today feels pretty good. The giving away of privacy today may not have consequences until it kills us 50 years from now.
- Chris Aldrich
Great analogy Chris, I heard someone else make that argument earlier this week. Can't remember who.
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, depending how old you are -- that's not a problem.
- Cliff Gerrish
The "like button" will be an incredible tool for cultural anthropologists at least...
- Chris Aldrich
perpetual beta
- Da
Jay Rosen said Zuck's WP Editorial was "a bunch of crap"
- Stephen Pickering
I love the expectation of public roadmaps now. Can't think of anyone doing it 5-10 years ago, but it's incredibly useful. Little hard to mesh with constant iteration though.
- Ian McGee
I'm starting to feel like a rat who gets a treat for clicking on ads... Who is it that's doing the research on us?
- Chris Aldrich
Yes, but he build his network on privacy and then pulled the rug
- Stephen Pickering
I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Free stuff has a price.
- Karoli
Tungle.me rocks
- Ian McGee
Yes, Karoli, but TV and Radio don't share are data surreptiously
- Stephen Pickering
just be selective with what you put on the internet
- Da
Stephen, TV and Radio made assumptions, reached a small fraction of who they could reach. I like seeing ads that I might be interested in.
- Karoli
Somebody needs to have a long talk with Robert about self-selection. People who don't want their calendars public don't sign up for public calendar services. The fact that those who do make their calendar's public doesn't speak to what "we" want.
- Ken Sheppardson
Now I do agree that Flippy or whatever it is, is silly. No way would I do that.
- Karoli
Oh sure, Karoli, I'm all in favor of the Google model
- Stephen Pickering
Public signaling is playing with masks. It doesn't represent a true state of affairs.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, I heard you laughing Scoble!
- Stephen Pickering
@stevegillmor can you skype me in now? calliflower won't let me rejoin
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, stand by.
- Cliff Gerrish
Anyone else lose audio?
- thestaticfrost
re:Blippy - isn't it interesting that Orwell et al.'s visions are coming true, only it's in the guise of cute/whimsical Web 2.0 names and Facebook games about sheep...
- Alex Schleber
NM, had to reload.
- thestaticfrost
Yahoo is an online media company?
- Da
Fixing culture in a company that big is a huge problem.
- Chris Aldrich
They've got Flickr and Finance. Does anyone use anything else there?
- Stephen Pickering
Delicious.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yahoo news
- Da
I consider Facebook the new AOL
- Karoli
Way too many people are still using their email client...
- Chris Aldrich
no facebook is not the new yahoo
- Wayne Sutton
But far more people spend far more time on Facebook than Yahoo...
- Ian McGee
Yahoo Buzz gets large volumes of traffic too... I'm not sure why though.
- Chris Aldrich
People spend 7hours a month on Facebook, no other site is even close, the problem is they can't monetize it and that's why they haven't gone public and had to take DST's money
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook doesn't have a mobile OS
- Da
BTW, for me UStream is constantly re-caching when I have the browser tab in focus (my connection is plenty fast); works OK as just audio in the background.
- Alex Schleber
Why doesn't Yahoo build a great social network? Did you see that POS they tried a few years back? Build one that's cool and works and does everything FB does
- Stephen Pickering
Will Yahoo buy a location-based platform?
- Wayne Sutton
yahoo answer to get homework answered is great
- Da
Sooner or later the individual user will have the tools to control and maintain their own infrastructure on the web and will link out into the world instead of relying on FB and other social media sites.
- Chris Aldrich
Facebook NewsFeed is getting meatier iwth all the new-media news groups I've been adding to my stream -- TechCrunch, VentureBeat, etc. plus a bunch of affiliation groups. I'm finding more stories there and on Twittertim.es lately..
- Ian McGee
Chris, totally agreed, everyday there are new tools for "average" users to build there own sites with advanced features. Scoble interviewed Buzzr which is a usability layer on top of Drupal
- Stephen Pickering
I was just watching that Buzzr interview just before this started. It's definitely a good start...
- Chris Aldrich
All this talk about user built apps makes me miss hypercard...
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, that kind of thing I believe could disrupt a Facebook in the next 5-10 years, maybe less
- Stephen Pickering
I mean Drupal just rocks, but its so hard, give the average person that kind of power easily, and I feel something new developing
- Stephen Pickering
The central social index gives facebook an advantage over distributed systems.
- Cliff Gerrish
HyperCard is locked in Steve Jobs's basement; thats the trouble with building on one company's code
- Kevin Marks
I love the potential of projects like Webfinger to be one of the enabling strategies for all of this.
- Chris Aldrich
Hypercard turned into javascript and then jquery...
- Cliff Gerrish
The only reason Facebook is important is because we have a dearth of connectivity. When everyone has a fiber connection a totally new peer to peer type of revolution will happen, I believe, decentralized, with the intelligence at the edges of the network
- Stephen Pickering
there is an architectural imperative because of NAT against distributed clients; My hope is that IPv6 will change this again
- Kevin Marks
We will each be our own facebook page, connected to each other with the same or even better features
- Stephen Pickering
I also think FB has removed a lot of the "force" behind someone's desire to build their own page. They're effectively already doing it with FB, so something new has to have real benefits.
- Ian McGee
Ian, it will
- Stephen Pickering
It has to do with easy usability layers on top of real power, just as OSX is a usability layer on top of Unix
- Stephen Pickering
And when that finally appears. we'll all be glad so much of the social graph is open for us to leverage.
- Ian McGee
Just as computing became decentralized, so will social networking
- Stephen Pickering
Ian, Right!
- Stephen Pickering
as time goes on, are non-tech people gonna be reluctant to develop iPhone apps because they have to submit it for approval from Apple?
- Da
Da, Yes
- Stephen Pickering
Great show.
- Mike Doeff
Da, that's already going on. Many developers are taking a close look at Android to replace; just takes more Android units out there to make it clear.
- Ian McGee
And most of all, THANK YOU Steve for always putting these together!
- Chris Aldrich
thanks to all of you. good show. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, Steve and Gang
- Stephen Pickering
Good stuff.
- Ian McGee
Nice show - thanks much everyone!
- Rob La Gesse
Thanks Rob!
- Stephen Pickering
I'm going to start writing about startups a la early TechCrunch. If you want me to write about yours, say hello: hi@dustincurtis.com.
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The iPad doesn’t need to do everything http://ff.im/-kwcJt
- Mitch Wagner
iPhone Apps on iPad Smack of Mac OS 9 on OS X - http://blog.louisgray.com/2010...
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How to protect your privacy online. Step 1: STOP SHARING SHIT YOU DON'T WANT THE WORLD TO DISCOVER. Step 2: See Step 1.
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In other words, trust no company, trust no person.
- Akiva
Side Bar: If you are going to share shit, make sure you know who can see it and take full advantage of any privacy tools. If you can't lock it down to your liking, see somewhere you can and share there. Failing that, see Step 1. Never assume, it makes an ASS out of U and ME
- Johnny
I've been saying this for years
- Jesse Stay
Not that what I say matters
- Jesse Stay
Or: Even vaults and safety deposit boxes can be broken into. It's about risk and trust... and know each of them
- Johnny
It's not about the Sharing. It's about the Basic Personal Info.
- Christopher Galtenberg
If you don't want Basic Personal Info shared online, don't put it there. Again, it's about risk. There is risk in leaving your credit card statements sitting in your letterbox or leaving your wallet on a counter for more that a sec. Risk Assessment.
- Johnny
If the internet can't deal with personal private data, it won't work. I thought you felt this way too, JW.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, the phone company can't guarantee 100% security on calls (fixed lines or cellular), the mail can be tampered with, offices can be bugged, your baggage is scanned at the airport and your wallet can be stolen. No system, physical or digital, is 100% secure. China hacked Gmail. Shit, courier pigeons can be shot down. Since EVERYTHING is <100%, each person must undertake a risk...
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- Johnny
By your logic, JW, everything is actually safe (equally trustworthy, relatively)
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Not exactly. I trust my bank more than I do Facebook or Gmail... but I don't assume my bank is just 100% safe. Levels of trust. I have performed risk assessments on each online entity and determined what I would feel comfortable about disclosing.
- Johnny
Anything can be hacked. Anything can leak. Trust is a risk and some levels adjust over time, usually down to lower levels.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Back to the original post: that's how I've always treated the Internet. Those MySpace/Facebook kiddies who have to show the whole world the most embarrassing stuff they do always appalled me. I've always been careful what I share online, even if I sometimes use my blogs or Twitter as a soapbox.
- Dennis Jernberg
The Internet doesn't have an undo button, unfortunately.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
Indeed! *thinks back to the DYSP video*
- Johnny
@Chris: And that, of course, is why we have to be so careful. Forethought...
- Dennis Jernberg
i blogged about this without being angry and in a social way that is all about sharing thigns worth knowing - here you go. i hope you like it:http://miteshsolanki.wordpress.com/2010...
- Mitesh Solanki
Oh, please. You're all supporting off-shore drilling every time you hit the pump.
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So you support it too?
- JCunwired
RT @johnjwall: RT @ChrisPirillo: How to protect your privacy online. Step 1: STOP SHARING SH*T YOU DON'T WANT THE WORLD TO DISCOVER. Step 2: See Step 1.
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The world can't handle the truth.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
I nominate @jowyang or @charleneli as Google's "Head of Social" - can't think of anyone better with real-world experience
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- Louis Gray
Is Louis speechless?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
What does that mean Louis?
- Jesse Stay
I nominate myself as Overlord of Huma.. ...I mean Head of Social at Google
- Mo Kargas
...
- Louis Gray
Did it make Louis speechless?
- imabonehead
...
- Louis Gray
Louis is having trouble typing? Or is waiting to add to the list?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Is....ASLEEP?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
His keyboard is stuck.
- imabonehead
Louis, it's *cough* - *cough*
- Johnny
...
- Louis Gray
I nominate @louisgray
- Johnny
...
- Louis Gray
I think Louis is doing a FF version of 'Telephone' using his AT&T service
- WoH: Minding her Steves
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- Mo Kargas
S?
- Jesse Stay
Ah, Sarah's typing
- Jesse Stay
Either that, or does Louis not like @jowyang or @charleneli? What is he saying?
- Jesse Stay
Or he thinks you were remiss in not mentioning some other person, Jesse?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
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- Spidra Webster
...
- Louis Gray
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Joe The Sausage
☃
- Louis Gray
۞
- Joe The Sausage
≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡
- Joe The Sausage
BOMB BOMB... SHAKE THE ROOM
- Johnny
♀♂
- Joe The Sausage
♪♫♫♪♫♫♪♫♪♪♪♫
- Joe The Sausage
FTR, I have nothing but great admiration for those two. I've met both and always come away enlightened. Those two have made incredible impact in some of the largest companies in the industry.
- Jesse Stay
Or does Louis want the job? If that's really the case I'm happy to nominate him as well, although I predict I'll get the same response.
- Jesse Stay
Not that my recommendation has any impact
- Jesse Stay
No.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
He speaks :-) (and that was my assumption)
- Jesse Stay
And here I was thinking that autoerotica was sex with cars...
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I wish it was...
- Jonathan Hardesty
I don't think that is necessarily excluded.
- Rochelle
See: crash
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
from iPod
Oh, cool. Thanks Rochelle... *grabs keys*
- Johnny
Watch out, I might get a novel out of that idea... (Edit: Oh yeah, J.G. Ballard already did...)
- Dennis Jernberg
I've seen a pic of a dinosaur having it's way with a car. Very...educational.
- Jonathan Hardesty
Loic Le Meur Blog: F*CK you naysayers. Twitter did NOT f*ck us and just rocks. - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
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You guys are WRONG Twitter will keep getting huge and growing WITH its developers. It’s been a really stressful few days for the Twitter developers from the announcements of Friday to this decisive day of Chirp. Chirp started really with...
- Loic Le Meur
I guess I didn't explain properly: we now own three iPads. I quickly got tired of having mine "borrowed." It is a family-changer @pquodling
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Reading iPad reviews while @maryamie drives me through Cupertino is sorta weird but sort of fitting too. Read on my iPad Nano AKA iPhone.
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Observations after three days of iPad usage including a cross-country plane trip. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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If you can't handle me yelling and screaming about cool tech, whether it be from Apple or Pip.io or any other startup unfollow me now please
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wait, who are you ;) *wink wink* /me ducks
- Scott (Honey Boo-Boo!)
But they are not stone tablets, they can be edited.
- Eric
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