steve friendfeed was not available this morning...the message refers to that. not seeing any appreciable break in the twitter blockade.
- Karoli
I actually got a complaint from someone who follows me on Twitter about link flooding coming from Friendfeed, so it's good the blockade is there, for now at least.
- Mr. Gunn
Ben, while you're at it, can you fix whatever broke Amazon wishlists? Thanks!
- Michael R. Bernstein
The blockade is in the other direction. If Twitter won't acknowlege it then Facebook is effectively killing the service.
- Steve Gillmor
from iPhone
Give full support and resources to Mr. Golub!! We all want a thing from that post, even without its context 8).
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
What's up with FF links not showing up on Twitter? It's been that way for about a week. The FF link interface has always confused me. And now it doesn't work.
- A Mitchell
Seems to be working here but Twitter posta are delayed by 20 minutes to two hours due to legal issues
- Steve Gillmor
from iPhone
I have had some problems with pages fully loading since it came back, Home feed and Best of Day in particular. Posts at the bottom of the page are cut off and like, comments, and expanding to read comments is impossible unless I open the individual posts in a new window. Very frustrating.
- April Russo (app103)
Links are still not coming through from FriendFeed to Twitter. I'm not making this up.
- A Mitchell
"How has consumer spending changed over the past 15 years? Do we spend more on some things and spend less on other than we did in the early 80s? In this interactive, based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you can explore just that."
- Tom Stocky
from Bookmarklet
Hm.. looks like the insurance companies are getting rich. THe amount spent on personal insurance and healthcare has gone way up!
- Piaw Na
What's interesting is that personal insurance growth is non-linear. There was a huge 2% jump around 2000. What explains this? Besides the recession, was there some big legislative change that year? 9/11?
- Ray Cromwell
Knowing Julien, he didn't make these numbers up.
- David Recordon
The numbers obviously depend on what feeds you're consuming. For example, SUP is enabled on YouTube and Reddit, which are a significant fraction of the feeds on on FriendFeed, but are presumably less common on superfeedr.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul's comment is totally right. I think all this proves that we need to improve our 'communication' around these numbers and how they have been calculated. I will emphasize more on that in the future.
- Julien
And if someone were pulling a lot of WordPress.com feeds then they'd be using RSSCloud (unless of course they were using Superfeedr's PSHB proxy: http://wordpress.superfeedr.com/).
- David Recordon
In a that case, we'd be using RSSCloud to poll... As we actually do for the few wp feeds that we have.
- Julien
Unfortunately PSHB is using Feedeburner numbers and Feedburner enabled PSHB feeds are NOT realtime (for the most part), because of the latency from blog to Feedburner updating. No one cares about the technology, just whether it's realtime or not. And a vast majority of that 26% are not realtime, I'd say.
- Matt Terenzio
I'd also like to see some other aggregators (like Gnip) publish their numbers. Uncorroborated and without volume, it's hard to judge these, even if they are accurate.
- Chris Messina
What matters is how much faster the web is. Not which protcol is a rounding error. Paul and Matt, thanks for bringing this back to reality. And btw, there are millions of sites that achieve their realtime-ness through rssCloud. As Matt says, the Feedburner feeds have a delay built into them that the rssCloud ones don't have. So it's a good question whether or not the really are realtime. The whole point is updating quickly, and they could take as much as 1/2 hour to update.
- Dave Winer
Dave: Generally as long as the web is getting faster and more responsive, I don't care what protocols are used to do it. I worry, however, that if RSSCloud and PubSubHubBub were reversed in Julien's chart, that you wouldn't be discounting his findings. If so, that seems intellectually dishonest to me. Are you more upset about what Julien's numbers show or about his data collection method?
- Chris Messina
Here's what I wrote about this for the community in October. "I see adoption of PubSubHubBub as a win for the Internet, and believe strongly their advocates should see adoption of rssCloud the same way. If they feel pressure from rssCloud, it should result in them more fully embracing RSS, which I felt they weren't doing when I first reviewed their efforts. Once that happens the...
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- Dave Winer
Julien, perhaps if you're publishing data like this in the future, you might want to drop the step where you "try to determine what is the best way to get [a feed's] content" and simply publish the raw stats. That is, looking at the feeds you're dealing with, which ones support which protocols? Some might support more than one, and you could illustrate that in some sort of (non-pie) chart. It seems like determining the "best" way is what opens you up to accusations of bias, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
The raw numbers do have value, IMHO, simply because as a developer I have to make choices about which protocol(s) to support. It's nice to have adoption data to feed the decision process.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, if it would help you, let's get the adoption data. Start from the other end, what numbers do you want? Let's see if we can get them.
- Dave Winer
Heh. Yeah, that's the chart I was imagining when I wrote "(non-pie) chart" above. :-) What numbers do I want? Well, I've seen the announcement-based stats, e.g. "Service X has now enabled Protocol Y on N feeds" and while I suppose those have value from a marketing standpoint, I don't think it translates directly into real, meaningful usage. The fact that some blog somebody started on some blog hosting service in 2005 that only had one post is now "real time" enabled doesn't really mean anything to me...
- Ken Sheppardson
... Looking at something like Superfeedr considers a sample of feeds that people really want to follow in real time. That is, the fact that someone has said "Please tell me when Feed X updates as soon as possible" is important to me. Given a sample like that, I'd like to know which feeds support which protocols.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right on. I think the fact that CNN, GigaOm and TechCrunch have realtime feeds is important (they do). And with all possible humility I think it matters that Scripting News does as well. (They all support rssCloud, btw.) I'd like to know if Chris Messina's blog is realtime. I don't care how it got to be realtime, btw. And I'd like to see FF support all the popular protocols. These things will all help boost adoption adn that's what I want to see.
- Dave Winer
I hope it is! I installed the PubSubHubBub WordPress plugin (since I self-host) and seems to be working!
- Chris Messina
Again, I think the main point of the blog post was : real-time feeds (in general) are gaining traction. I will publish more details on how we measure the (raw) numbers in our December status.
- Julien
It would be nice if Gmail filters could match on "sender in contact group X" (e.g. fromgroup:friends). It would help Fred Wilson and others filter/label mail from important people. re: http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
This is similar to the list: operator in FriendFeed - http://friendfeed.com/search.... It's a little tricky to implement because it requires dynamic expansion of query terms, but is obviously doable.
- Paul Buchheit
There are so many places I wish search was like FriendFeed's. Thanks for your contributions, Paul - my hope is either Facebook gets what you've done here or we're able to see more over here from you and the rest of the old team (with Facebook's own talent force behind you). The tools you've created are really appreciated.
- Jesse Stay
Paul - do you have any way to "suggest" cool ideas like this to the Gmail team? Personally, I'd love to see this feature implemented :)
- Susan Beebe
I set up some Address Book groups and then Smart Folders in Mail.app to do stuff like this. It's quite painful to do though.
- David Recordon
The only problem I see is that advertising may not be the best way to make money from it.
- Brian Sullivan
@paul, Is it correct to replace email?
- Hasan Ozgan
Hasan, I don't understand your question.
- Paul Buchheit
A wave-gmail integration sounds like quite the challenge. Perhaps the real-time text updates will happen and will be useful, but I can't see the conversation fragmentation of Wave being a good thing for Gmail.
- Mitch
While I admire the approach of releasing something that's pre-beta, it seems there is quite a risk that people will think, "oh, I tried Wave and didn't get it," and they will not come back to it for a long time.
- Laura Norvig
Laura - Google wants developers in there making cool stuff in the lead-up to the public release. If it were only developers trying out each others tools, things would be stagnant.
- Mitch
I live and work in Gwave - business partner could not access wave due to inferior connections in Manchester and working in docs again was such a backward step!
- Callie O Farrell
That's true, Mitchell, I forgot about all the gadgets people are developing. Also, Gina Trapani pointed out that the one interface that most of us see when we opt in to "try wave" is not the only interface available. I would love to see some samples of simpler/different interfaces.
- Laura Norvig
The fact that Google Wave was not part of Gmail's roadmap and in fact is positioned as "the future of e-mail" was a sign to me that Google is now large enough to suffer the kind of organizational dysfunction that has done in its predecessors. As you mentioned, e-mail will be with us for a long time. It would have been better to position it as "the future of collaboration" and indicate...
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- Dare Obasanjo
There was shortage of wave invites when it came out but now people are waiting to give wave invites. I didn't see any of my friends returning to wave after they used it once. I log into wave everyday just to see if there are any improvements.
- ashish
Paul - Great insights! I too feel Wave is most suited as a team collaboration / productivity tool. The biggest hurdle is loss of context and convo structure. Once the wave team better organizes the UI, then it can go mainstream. Wave integration with gmail would be super cool and highly useful, plus it greatly would speed up user adoption.
- Susan Beebe
I just posted my comment above on your blog, facebook and here - LOL :)
- Susan Beebe
"The chronological flow of the conversation is lost." That's exactly the issue. Playback tries to address it but doesn't quite. I think there are other ways to do this, that will be tried both inside and outside Google. I'm thrilled that Google didn't force the Wave team to be part of Gmail from the start, because that would have added all kinds of unnecessary constraints. This way Wave can try lots of new stuff and Gmail can adopt what sticks.
- Daniel Dulitz
It's Sharepoint started from the web side instead of Office
- Nick Lothian
I had assumed that at some point Google would merge Wave and Gmail. It seems the natural progression. Also, I think the linearity problem will be addressed when they can figure a way to easily mark the new replies so that you can quickly see them - maybe in some from of selectable overlay or view of the wave
- Martha
Don't we think they should merge Gmail and Wave because we don't check our waves as often as our emails? What if we all had a cross-browser and mobile notification system for both Wave and email? Since I have installed the Chrome checker extensions for Wave and Gmail, the question of a merger doesn't make any sense. I can easily email and wave the same way I use Facebook, Friendfeed and...
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- Jérôme Flipo
No, I think Google should merge Gmail and Wave because many times in the middle of an email conversation I wish I had wave functionality. Because the conversation has gotten hard to understand and I want to play it back. Because different subthreads have different people on them for no good reason. Because an idea has turned into a proposal and the words aren't quite right.
- Daniel Dulitz
Here's a specific type of merger I think could work. Wave "merges" with Gmail, GChat, and Docs, in that whenever you create an email/IM/doc you are creating a wave. Anyone can see that wave in its full realtime nonlinear glory from the product Wave. Any wave you have (whether started from Docs or email or...) can be seen in Wave. But Gmail, GChat, Docs, etc. provide only some functions...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@Daniel Dulitz sounds somewhat like how social networking aggregator such as friendfeed works. This way Google wave will aggregate all the activities of gmail,Gchat, docs and other "google activity" in one place.
- ashish
I am not so sure about Gmail or Gchat and how you would integrate them-- as Wave seems to have similar and some cases superior functionality that supplants them but being able to collaborate on the production/editing of Google docs in real time perhaps using Google voice conferencing would be nearing a game changer.
- Brian Sullivan
That would be great, Daniel. But I think it would require *a lot* of work for some teams at Google and some good explanations to users. I'm sure we'll find specific usages for Wave. Personally, I would let the service grow by itself, without complicating other services. Imagine if I start a Wave and some of my friends participate in it through Docs, some other from Gmail: many troubles...
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- Jérôme Flipo
@Dare: I disagree that Wave is evidence of organizational dysfunction (not saying there *is* not such dysfunction, but Wave certainly doesn't prove it). Whether you love it or hate it, and whether or not you think it will be successful, I believe it's evidence of a company that wants to continue to take risks and innovate in the face of organizational momentum. Why wasn't Wave part of...
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- Joel Webber
It seems like the only big issue is the non-linearity of Wave. So, instead of merging other products to offer alternative (somehow), why not let the creator/owner of a Wave choose if blips should be linear?
- Jérôme Flipo
Well Paul, I also think Wave is very clever. Yet I see a few problems regarding the launch process: 1. They launched it exactly like Gmail, by reducing invitation supply & delaying invitation delivery. Yet, unlike an e-mail account and a web based e-mail client this is a collaborative tool that you can not use alone. That's the main reason most influencers and early adopters are...
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- Cem ARGUN
Regarding my proposed merger... I think part of the problem of Wave is that it has too much capability for many people, but real experts (may) like the full-on experience. So let's make everything a wave. Experts interact with those things in Wave or some other full-on experience. But people in the slow lane can interact with _the same wave_ using "views" they are more familiar with --...
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- Daniel Dulitz
Jérôme, in addition to "linearity" there is also the issue of edits versus replies. Also, what do you mean by allowing the creator to choose if blips should be linear? Transforms are sequential today; the whole question is how to extract "(conversational) linearity" from "mere sequence." Linearity is a UI issue. Why allow the creator to specify the reader's UI, instead of leaving it up...
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- Daniel Dulitz
My definition of linearity is rather basic, as is my English :) I meant "non-threaded" conversation, just like here. I think most of the confusion comes from realtime hierarchical conversations: we can't determine easily where the discussion is going at a given moment. As a doc, a Wave must support sub-threads, but as a conversation it may be helpful to oblige participants to respond to...
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- Jérôme Flipo
Keep in mind that's there's a difference between the Wave Protocol/Architecture, and the Wave client, just like there's a difference between SMTP/IMAP and Outlook (vs Gmail). If the UI is not streamlined for a particular use case, then perhaps other clients can be designed which leverage Wave infrastructure, but provide a more optimal experience for a given problem space.
- Ray Cromwell
Jérôme, in my view not even email obliges people to respond only to the most recent email in the thread. Maybe Wave should always show a compressed "timeline" view of every event. Perhaps a very zoomed-out icon of the whole wave in the upper-left corner of the wave, showing its blip structure, nesting, etc., with hotspots everywhere there's a change you haven't read yet. To the right of...
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- Daniel Dulitz
"Professor Morfill and his colleagues have worked out the precise details of the plasma production that effectively kills off such bugs without doing harm to skin, and demonstrated a number of prototype devices that do the job efficiently. "To produce plasmas efficiently at low cost so you can really mass produce these things for hospitals, that's the big breakthrough of the last year," Professor Morfill said. The team says that an exposure to the plasma of only about 12 seconds reduces the incidence of bacteria, viruses, and fungi on hands by a factor of a million - a number that stands in sharp contrast to the several minutes hospital staff can take to wash using traditional soap and water. Professor Morfill said that the approach can be used to kill the bacteria that lead to everything from gum disease to body odour. "The idea is scalable to any size, it can be produced in any shape; it's very flexible," he said. "You can even make it battery-operated so you can use small devices -...
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- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Can we get a shower sized version?? Would be let sleep in an extra half hour in the mornings :)
- Roberto Bonini
Good thing there is more than one Internets! MWHAHAHAHAH! You fail at banning me! Too late to fix it now!
- pea
Everyone on friendfeed has an iphone except for the ones who have android phones. Everyone else can be categorised under "other" :-)
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
I don't. I have some cheap-o mobile that doesn't even have a camera. That's going to change in a month when I leave the evil AT&T and switch to the evil Verizon.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I don't have a iPhone. I have a Android as well.
- CW™
LOL...Andrizzle, I have the *exact* same phone. LET'S UNITE BEFORE WE ARE SHUNNED BY ALL THOSE ON FF.
- Anna Haro
Why do I feel like you're using a non-standard definition of "cute"? :p But I'll chime in and claim cuteness, since all the other iPhone users seem to be avoiding the thread. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I actually hate cell phones. i have one as an emergency but I don't want people knowing stuff about stuffs.
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I don't. I have an LG Versa. It's kind of crappy, but it does what I need it to do. Eventually (i.e. in two years, when I'm eligible) I plan on upgrading to a Blackberry, though.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Wait... you guys didn't get your free iPhone and MacBooks when you signed up for Friendfeed? Oh you poor things need to contact FF customer care immediately and claim your prizes!!
- Adrian
I have a cell phone that I never turn on. It makes and receives calls. It's for Emergencies only.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I don't have an iphone. I don't have a cell phone. I do have a Jornada 548, though. You can think of that as an antique predecessor to the modern smart phone, without the phone capabilities...and no damn app store. I have a full sized keyboard that folds up really small for it, it has pretty good handwriting recognition software, plays mp3's, surfs the web, plays games, runs all kinds of software. My primary use for it is reading ebooks.
- April Russo (app103)
I have an HTC Magic (basically like a MyTouch 3G). I got it because I didn't want to go to the hassle to get an unlocked iPhone. And I totally love it even if my cheapness has (long story short) effectively made me a wifi hobo.
- Andrew C
hmm, should I be afraid and mention that I have an iPhone and a Blackberry? or should I just go sign up for over-connected-geek anonymous?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I don't because I refuse to leave Verizon and put up with AT&T B.S....so I use an iPod Touch and my LG Envy Touch phone.
- Bonnie Foster
iPhone SchmiPhone. I had a Symbian-powered Nokia, until I misplaced/lost it somewhere...
- Tyson Key
I don't have nor want. Right now I'd get HTC HD2 (WM 6.5 -phone)
- Jemm
Mine improves my life, so I'm cool with it. Don't want to have to mess around with OS stuff actually.
- Rick Cogley
I use an ancient DumbPhone. Meh, it works. Mostly.
- DGentry
I have an iPod nano. I think. Somewhere. Unless I left it in a bag with some fruit and then discovered the fruit had gone off and threw the bag out without noticing that the iPod was also there. But I'm hopeful that it'll turn up somewhere that doesn't involve fruit. I also have a cellphone but I mostly use it as an alarm clock.
- Deborah Fitchett
"Exclusive to Dick Smith until December 1, 2009 You don’t need to plug it in to USB port with a Wi-Fi range of 15 metres. Up to 3 users can share the connection via WiFi which connects with WiFi devices such as; games consoles, televisions and cameras."
- ben barren
from Bookmarklet
Wow, that's a stumper of a question! :)
- Susan Beebe
Learn all that you can, be noble, true, humble, love much. Seek wisdom from your family and friends
- Susan Beebe
I would say: pls take a picture of me using your iPhone and post it to Posterous and capture that 12sec video of reincarnation process : )
- victed
from iPhone
I wouldn't need 140 characters: "in whatever you do, strive to do it as well as you possibly can." 64.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Never stop learning, enjoy the little things, cherish friends & family, try your best, keep an open mind, and indulge yourself occasionally.
- Nathan Chase
chase your passions, the rest follows. observe everything. work, love and play hard. change happens. live full and balanced. 3
- Charles Ying
Risk is not an option. And eat your vegetables.
- Micah Wittman
Study Thomas, he has more answers than anyone else you will read.
- Alex Scrivener
Number to a Swiss bank safe containing cash, guns and numerous passports. Yes, it is from a movie.
- Peng-Toh
.....so are we trying to guess the meaning of life here? essentially I think that's what this question boils down to. I only need two characters:
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Let's git rid of 140 chars nonsense limid.
- Petr Buben
"Reasonable men adapt to the world around them; unreasonable men make the world adapt to them. The world is changed by unreasonable men."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, try telling April that next time she is frustrated with you; I'm sure it will help ;)
- Clare Dibble
Just told my son this tonight -- Leave the earth better than the way you found it.
- joe is...
"Its not that bad, stop sh*tting yourself, ;)"
- chaz2b
++Leo, that sounds like very useful advice. :)
- Ruchira S. Datta
In the end it really doesn't matter, enjoy it while it lasts, do what makes you happy, try not to sabotage the happiness of others.
- April Russo (app103)
Don’t sweat the small stuff. It’s all small stuff.
- Laura Norvig
"Dear Reincarnated Self: my head is frozen with the Life Extension Foundation. To get cool advice pls unfreeze me at ur earliest convenience."
- Philipp Lenssen
"Dont be afraid to take chances or march to a different beat. In the end only the soul counts, don't sweat the small stuff. Listen, learn."
- Grant Bierman
"Please ask the next generation to increase maximum message length."
- Ray Cromwell
BTW, Commander Data was able to get away with sending only 2 *bits* of information into the future/past to break out of a 'groundhog day' scenario. The message: 3
- Ray Cromwell
There once was a site called Twitter. It was worth a billion dollars...
- Sean Kelly
Exercise every day, learn to program asap. I have discovered a truly marvellous proof that these are the right things to do which this twee
- j1m
"I've finally discovered the secret to a contented and effective life, which for you, begins now. This joy can be yours. Just claim it by t" <snipped by character limit>
- Kurtiss Hare
Search for the will of the creator. Prefer the heaven of love to the hell of power.Every moment is unique.Train empathy. Give. [ yeah, I kept in the character limit! Twitter is like life sometimes, only, hu, more limitted :-]
- Willi Schroll
L^2>∞ love of life is greater then time and space. Compassion destroys the destroyer peace above me below me around me down me radiate peace
- Robert Higgins
That's easy: Join friendfeed as soon as possible.
- Jim Hearts FF
don't sweat it kid, you just got a do over...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
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- Edward Coffey
"Propose multiple solutions to every problem. Or choose your own life."
- Ivo Danihelka
Love always wins. Don't sweat happiness: find joy. (ponders how to translate the "becoming a man" speech from Secondhand Lions into 140 characters...)
- Ladybug Heather
Remember to save often...data and money. Live life like you have a reset button.
- Brian Merriman
It's not just you, they're all crazy. Make as many friends outside the family as you can. You'll want to leave home. Do it. Don't look back. (this is a seriously awesome topic!)
- Lo is a Quitter
Follow your heart. Don't worry about failure because apparently reincarnation is real. Snooches!
- Kevin Fox
Dont let others decide for you what is good and right for you. Not even this message.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Learn your math. Especially Geometry. It will make your coding SO much more compelling!
- Joe Nickence
Well I won't list all 140 but 1 I will is: Do not live your life to live..Live it to die. In other words, prepare for death because all life is about is another chance to get it right so you can end Samsara.
- Merlyn Seeley
"In your past life, you never understood why people liked Twitter."
- Ryan Kaisoglus
Dear new self: whatever you do, don't make all the same mistakes with your life that I did with mine. For example, you should never ever try [MAXIMUM MESSAGE LENGTH REACHED]
- s t e v e
You, are fine. To hell w' 'em if they think you're not pretty/funny/smart/rich enough.
- Summer
Find Stuart Diamond and take his negotiation course when you're 16. Love yourself so you can love others. Also, reincarnation exists, and you were a geek in your previous life.
- Daniel Dulitz
Don't wish for what you aren't. Life will be far more interesting than you could ever expect. Play with the cards you're dealt, and have fun
- Bette Cooper
Call me Stewie, bow now and pay later. Put another coal in the power plant so you can continue watching this homage and choke on the fumes. [140 and referenced Family Guy, ideology, commerce, ecology, choice, and lost will.]
- William 'Bill' McPhe
"Tom Cruise must be stopped. By any means necessary."
- Otto
Otto, you have room to add "--your mission, if you choose to accept it."
- Micah Wittman
Life is all about ass. You're either covering it, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, laughing it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
- Mona Nomura
Be kind to animals, nature, others & yourself. Do what you love. Love what you do. Never stop learning about the world around you.
- Bronson Harrington
Try to find the 140 characters you would pass along to your reincarnation.
- Eszter Susánszky
The false sense of security that a million cats have successfully been wrangled?
- Bill Strathearn
For twitter, I know lots of people created lists with Tweetdeck. Now that Twitter has it's own lists, that's not as important. But Tweetdeck lets you do more with your lists, I think.
- Laura Norvig
Plus, Tweetdeck has nice looking column layout so you can see your lists, replies, full stream all at once.
- Laura Norvig
Grouping a subset of users is the major benefit.
- Louis Gray
I use Seesmic (although recently it hasn't been working, so I temporarily switched to Mixero) and for me the biggest benefit is to be able to manage 2 separate Twitter accounts in a practical way. Overall, I just find that these clients are more practical in terms of filtering people and content.
- Patricia Müller
Bill... heh! Laura, I'm almost afraid to ask what more is needed ;). But nicer views, okay, that I can understand. Louis, isn't that grouping now unnecessary, given Twitter's Lists? Patricia, I can't even seem to manage one twitter account :P. But you raise a good point re: filtering content -- I guess that's re: saved searches, right? But can't you also do that via Twitter? I guess it comes down to the able-to-see-more-at-once, right?
- Adam Lasnik
Exactly. My primary reason for using a client was the double account issue (and yes, it's a little overwhelming, but I need to keep connections in both languages). So that reason alone justified using a client for me. Now, filtering content came as a secondary benefit as I started having to sort through everything a lot of Twitter users usually do, but in 2 different languages. (both...
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- Patricia Müller
Ah, okay, that makes sense Patricia. Thanks for the info!
- Adam Lasnik
Tweetdeck has retweet and direct message buttons, Twitter doesn't. (Although it has buggy pull-down menus for DMs)
- Spidra Webster
I lean towards Tweetie2 and SimplyTweet (iPhone apps)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
hmm... just tried both Tweetdeck and Seesmic. Neither of them utilize the Friend Groups built into FB; TD invites users to completely recreate new TD-only FB Friend Groups. No thanks. :(
- Adam Lasnik
Columns are key, even if you mostly handle just one account. You can see the tweets mentioning you or replying to you without switching back and forth.
- Paola Bonomo
I can absolutely see how that stuff is useful for at-a-glancing, but I also feel it's a massive distraction and major info-overload. I am a curmudgeon for the most part when it comes to real-timing. There's very little in life that I need to know Right Now, very little that can't wait for a nightly (or even weekly) browse-through.
- Adam Lasnik
I think it's more important for people who manage a social media presence for a brand. They need to know right away if someone mentions them or @replies them.
- Laura Norvig
I use Twhirl and it's only because of multiple accounts and easy of posting to Twitter and identi.ca. The Twitter website has always been crap for me. In Twhirlw with just one click, I can retweet, reply, DM, lookup a user, see all tweets from a user, etc. Bonus is that it's fast. The Twitter website is slow and unfunctional.
- Captain Bubbles
Seesmic & TweetDeck were both built as Twitter apps. FB is an add-on and not nearly as developed. I use Seesmic to manage multiple accounts (about me, work, & interest-specific), user lists, and to handle saved searches.
- Cianna Stewart
you just answered your own question...it lets you not have to visit both sites separately
- brainno722 (Peter)
oh yeah, everyone else has "retweet" except twitter.com (well, they gave it to selected users)...
- brainno722 (Peter)
Peter makes a point. My browser (Flock) has FB and Twitter built-in. I can post, reply, DM and retweet, right from my broswer without going to the Twitter website (YAY). Only problem is that there are sometimes day long delays of seeing updated tweets from others. The FB sucks. I can see what my friends post, but to reply I'm forced to FB. BUT...if I want to share blog posts, Flicker, tweets or chat with FB, I can do all of that without visiting the FB website.
- Captain Bubbles
Infodensity. I can look at my screen with Seesmic running on it and get a lot more information than just running twitter.com.
- Robert Scoble
I think it depends on how you want to use Twitter. As a tool then you would use Tweetdeck etc and if just for casual following .com does the job
- Khuram Hussain
Hey everyone, I appreciate the clue'ing in. Now the benefits are much more clear to me. Once again, the FF community shines through :-)
- Adam Lasnik
you can use columns in tweetdeck to setup searchs based on keywords, that is not possible in twitter currently, you would have to manually search each keyword separately if using twitter, also you can log in to your twitter and facebook accounts and see all updates from one interface, also, haven't tried it in tweetdeck but with seismic desktop you can log into multiple accounts at the...
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- Loc
So someone in *your* family doesn't grok Twitter either. My brother says he'll never even set up a Twitter account at all; he sees no point either. Apparently these people see the words "What are you doing?" above the text box and think it's nothing but the Facebook status update without Facebook. Some people just don't get it at all...
- Dennis Jernberg
In *my* family (asterisks per Dennis), most of them use Facebook. Nobody else uses Twitter at all.
- Louis Gray
Sure enough, Facebook is exactly what everybody in my family but me uses, too! Well, I'm on Facebook too, but I don't use it like they do. For one thing, I don't play any of the games; I hide them instead. And none of them has even heard of FriendFeed...
- Dennis Jernberg
hahaha that is epic!! Twittter got dissed by Ms Gray :D
- Susan Beebe
My family is the same. Twitter is pointless to them. There's so much more than just status updates to them.
- Jesse Stay
Well, I don't get Twitter either. Anyone want to explain it to me?
- Cristo
It's not fun when you sign up and have no friends / people to interact with...and all the interesting people only talk to each other. All my friends didn't "see a point" until they built their own network(s). Just sayin'
- Mona Nomura
My wife is also that way, btw - I may *just* be able to get her to join FourSquare though.
- Jesse Stay
As if Twitter is some brilliant thing that only a certain so-called tech crowd gets.
- Cristo
My sister has known that I've used Twitter for several years now. Whenever I brought it up, that was her reaction, "Don't get it. Don't see the point." She created an account a month or so ago and she's totally into it now. When I asked her what made the difference, she shrugged and said she wasn't sure. "Your friends started using it, didn't they?" I asked her. "Yes." heh. :D
- pea
Why don't you guys go have this conversation on Twitter? :)
- Cristo
Pfff. Cristo, you know full well twitter can't deal with the c word. :)
- Micah Wittman
I will make the bold prediction that most of my brothers and sisters will never join or use Twitter. I have one brother that does, occasionally, but the rest will never, ever use it. There's no point when they can get the same thing from Facebook and more.
- Jesse Stay
Re Mona: I myself didn't even bother to sign up for Twitter till this last June, when I discovered an existing online songwriting community I belong to had a Twitter presence. That's when I set up my account and started to use Twitter. Then I found that some of the NaNoWriMo offshoots I take part in also had a Twitter presence. That was the beginning. Since then I've built up a much...
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- Dennis Jernberg
my girlfriend has no interest in it either. she uses facebook for all her net communication needs and is quite happy...
- Terry O'Fee
I got all my friends to sign up for Twitter, all found it pointless. So, I really don't get the point either. I'll delete mine too. :D
- Faraz Mullick
Only a few of my real-life friends are even on Facebook, and the ones that are rarely update. The social web can be pretty disappointing sometimes.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
Most everyone I know is on Facebook now, with a few exceptions that refuse to use much of anything on the internet except for youtube and blogs. Nobody gets the point of twitter, especially with facebook/friendfeed offering the same type of communication options, if not more. However, the nice thing about twitter/friendfeed is that it's searchable. The other day I was watching the events from Fort Hood unfold on twitter. I couldn't do that easily on facebook. That's where twitter shines.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
My Second Life avatar started on Twitter in the good old days, when everyone you followed followed you back. But my real life account has about 20 followers, so it only really works as a reader - and that rocks.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
second life.. i read books like snow crash, get excited and find SL nothing like it ;)
- Terry O'Fee
If new users have no followers and fail to get the reader part, of course they stop. And the statistics confirm that.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
I do agree. It is really difficult to convince someone to use twitter. And even if I do, they don't stay active on the service. They too state "I don't see any point in the service". Often are the times when they are convincing me it is nothing but a blog platform with 140 characters limit.
- Amit
I've learned that it's not a good idea to try to convince friends to join Twitter. Unless they get it, they will simply annoy you with Facebook style Tweets. Better to seek out Twitter users who have learned the knack of posting interesting Tweets.
- Jimmy Walker
If she doesn't get it, or anyone else for that matter, be glad they're on their way. Twitter never worked for me either and I'm happily not participating as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I just realized I've been forgetting to tell them to start by following interesting people and not even think about posting their own tweets for the first little while (Robert's advice) - I wonder if that would make more of a difference.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
My 25 year old brother said the same thing.
- Rochelle
+Mona I think there is a follower critical mass that needs to be achieved (of real interacting/interesting people) before anyone 'gets' Twitter
- JSNFLMNG
from iPod
I see Twitter as another information portal, and a social channel (albeit limited). For those things it's great. I don't use facebook all that much, but it's good to chat with old friends to say howdy and share current happenings. I'm me no matter what social hub I'm on, but the local laws/rules/community etiquette fits my preferences better in some virtual hangouts.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
My daughter of about the same age also got and shortly thereafter canceled a twitter account.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Twitter is useful as a minimalist news broadcasting system. Twitter is worse than useless as a medium for conversation. I mostly use Twitter in combination with Topsy searches to pluck off the most interesting news stories of the day on selected topics. Without Topsy, I would stop using Twitter entirely because of the information overload.
- Sean McBride
Mona's point is pretty much spot on. I kind of "imported" a Revision 3 forum network into Twitter, which led to FriendFeed, which had sort of a recursive bend back into Twitter, which led to finding Twitter recommendations, which then opened me up to following people from IRL, and then...ah crap. I've stopped using Twitter as much, though, because Facebook is where the people I CARE about really are. And in case you're wondering, I'm friends with Mona on Facebook ;)
- Mike Nayyar
I've hit a wall trying to get my friends to sign up for Twitter. It's like they've got an image issue. Whenever I try to explain it's value for news and as RSS replacement, people sort of stop listening. They're left thinking it's Facebook without the "fun stuff," which is lesser and redundant for them.
- Jeremiah Green
Is it fair to say that the tweets related to tech news that some folks think are so wonderful and important are primarily links to web sites, blogs, new articles, and so on produced by someone other than the tweeter? So far as I've seen, subscribing to, say, all the employees of a company doesn't produce much news about the company; instead you see posts about where the employees ate lunch and stuff like that. Of course I may just not be looking at the right people.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Unless you have a defined business strategy, there really is not much point to Twitter, unless you just want to connect for fun, which is under my business strategy :)
- Steve Borgman
Actually I don't see the point either, but I'm still here :)
- scott willeke
I keep a Twitter account just for a case of emergency, because it gets translated everywhere, and their mobile client is the lightest.
- 9000
I have all three FB, FF and Twitter - FB is for people I know personally save very few exceptions, FF & Twiiter overlap and are people I tend to follow but I dont know from adam - I prefer FF tho . I now have GW as of last night but am still struggling to get the hang of it- will lose my twitter acct I think
- viki saigal
SuezanneC has summed twitter up quite well. None of my family use twitter, took me ages to 'get it' but although my family all use Facebook, I don't like it. I stay to keep in touch with them.
- Sandra Large
It is very hard to keep motivated with all the bots, spam, ads, slaves and etc. Don't feel bad if you make mistakes because this is a new thing that is evolving underneath the feet of everyone on it. Like a quick sand that none of my family understand and I'm finding month to month that the growth of twitter it is getting more chaotic and the numbers of fake profiles is increasing, but...
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- Christopher Scott Ostini
I have sat on this since Kevin posted this... But I can wait no longer........... "der ner ner der ner ner ner... Foxy Lady"
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Don't be haters - this is an AMAZING opportunity and a great resume builder. Heck, I'd apply.
- Mona Nomura
Aside from not knowing scala and Ruby, I have most of what they want. Wonder if I can remote in from the UK.
- Roberto Bonini
I'm not hating :) But I don't live in the States, have anything to offer them or use the service frequently... There's nothing left for me to do but make funnies
- Johnny Worthington
if Twitter lists = the new authority & Obama is only person more "important" than Pete Cashmore, then all hope is lost. http://www.bivingsreport.com/2009...