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Sean McBride
Zionism isn't a deviation from Judaism -- it's the natural and organic expression of the core beliefs and values of Judaism.
And who is the leading authority on this subject? -- the worldwide Jewish religious establishment -- the most respected Jewish spokespersons for the most influential institutions in Judaism -- member organizations of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. - Sean McBride
The ACJ (American Council for Judaism) and JVP (Jewish Voice for Peace) carry no weight on these matters -- they occupy the fringe of Jewish institutional life. - Sean McBride
Progressive anti-Zionists who are obstructing a discussion about the role of Judaism in Zionism are spinning their wheels and going nowhere -- in the same way that liberal Zionists who have obstructed effective opposition to Israel's settlements program are spinning their wheels and going nowhere. Progressive anti-Zionists and liberal Zionists -- two peas in a pod. Both groups are more enablers of Likud Zionism and Greater Israelism than effective opponents. - Sean McBride
# In the merger and fusion of Judaism and Zionism, these are some of the key concepts and terms that keep coming up in the language of pro-Israel activists: 1. Amalek 2. blood libel 3. Eretz Yisrael 4. G-d 5. Haman 6. Hashem 7. Judea and Samaria 8. the chosen people 9. the enemies of the Jews 10. the Jewish people 11. the Land of Israel 12. the nations 13. the promised land 14. the Third Temple - Sean McBride
There is an endless and ever-increasing torrent of this language in the articles and comments of leading Israeli and Jewish publications. The main ideological themes are not difficult to pick out. - Sean McBride
Disagree to a degree. Zionism has subsumed Judaism, but it is not the natural and organic expression. Even cellular biology depends on variables. Zionism is the opportunistic admixture of myth and technological narcissism. It is a kind of remorseless self-promotion at the expense of murder. A form of psychopathy but not madness for its proponents are aware and responsible for their actions. In liberal Zionist terms shoot and cry and shoot again. - peacefly
why do you think the jews got kicked out of 100 countries? - pepsi
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The Woman at the Center of the C.I.A.'s Torture Report (Jane Mayer) -
"The NBC News investigative reporter Matthew Cole has pieced together a remarkable story revealing that a single senior officer, who is still in a position of high authority over counterterrorism at the C.I.A.—a woman who he does not name—appears to have been a source of years’ worth of terrible judgment, with tragic consequences for the United States. Her story runs through the entire report. She dropped the ball when the C.I.A. was given information that might very well have prevented the 9/11 attacks; she gleefully participated in torture sessions afterward; she misinterpreted intelligence in such a way that it sent the C.I.A. on an absurd chase for Al Qaeda sleeper cells in Montana. And then she falsely told congressional overseers that the torture worked." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Had the Senate Intelligence Committee been permitted to use pseudonyms for the central characters in its report, as all previous congressional studies of intelligence failures, including the widely heralded Church Committee report in 1975, have done, it might not have taken a painstaking, and still somewhat cryptic, investigation after the fact in order for the American public to hold... more... - Sean McBride
"Instead, however, she has been promoted to the rank of a general in the military, most recently working as the head of the C.I.A.’s global-jihad unit. In that perch, she oversees the targeting of terror suspects around the world. (She was also, in part, the model for the lead character in “Zero Dark Thirty.”)" - Sean McBride
Disgust and moral outrage is the only possible response to Mayer's article. - Sean McBride
Zero Dark Thirty's Bigelow has been described as a sadist and fetishist. Explains what attracted her to make the film with another real life sadist as the protagonist. - peacefly
What other social networking/Web 2.0 sites do you use besides FriendFeed?
Bumblr, Snickr, YouTuba, but nowhere any good. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Or anywhere no good. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Nothing you haven't heard of. :) (Twitter, Flickr, FB...need to spend more time learning Quora and Reddit). - Spidra Webster
Flickr - WarLord
I tried out Ello. - Stephen Mack
Twitter, Twitter, and more Twitter. Also Github. - Mike Chelen
FB and Twitter. Very occasionally G+. - Jenny H. from Android
What Jenny said - Laura Norvig from iPhone
FB and rarely G+. - Anne Bouey
Twitter and FB, a little bit of G+ and Tumblr. - Melly Claus
Livejournal. - bentley
not sure what you mean by web 2.0 but I hit twitter every morning for a quick scan of the news, feedly for the blogs I want to read, and tumblr is a distraction for my increasingly fractured mind. I think of tumblr as a glossy magazine where I flip through the pages. - MoTO: #TeamMarina
Feedly, Twitter, Tumblr and Facebook. Oh, and Ello, from time to time. - Steven Perez from Android
Yeah I guess I should add that I do use Facebook to interact generally with family and a few friends. But Facebook's noise to signal ratio is too high for me to use it for much else. - MoTO: #TeamMarina, I keep intending to use facebook but don't generally get to it. I caught up with Instagram yesterday, thanks to the fact that I'm only following something like 4 people there. - Bruce Lewis
g+ and feedly. - imabonehead
G+ daily, Twitter 2-3 times a day, FB once or twice a day, but only really active on FF. (As with MoTO, FB's mostly for family. - Walt Crawford
Twitter and Google+. - Louis Gray
None. I'm a purist. - Steve C Team Marina
Barry, I'm not sure what I meant by Web 2.0, other than there are sites that have some social component to them, but are not really thought of as social networks, e.g. Yelp. - Heisenberg
What are people's impressions of Ello? - Heisenberg
Wasn't ready for beta. Very few features at beta. More now, but no users. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Just Twitter (for light use) -- not Facebook or Google+. Still waiting for any other service to catch up with Friendfeed -- and for the next generation of a Friendfeed-like service to appear -- someone is bound to develop it. - Sean McBride
Any interesting features that FriendFeed doesn't have? - Heisenberg
screensaver. - imabonehead
I've got a huge list of features to add to Friendfeed that I've collected since 2007. I need to pull those notes together and post them as a single document. - Sean McBride
Facebook - Ozgur Demir
I just checked out the latest Twitter analytics features -- great stuff. A future version of a Friendfeed-style social media platform should include analytics at this level (and better) for all individual and group feeds (*especially* group feeds, which are ripe for hundreds of analytic snapshots). - Sean McBride
Sean, I'm interested in your feaure list. - Heisenberg
Italian Friendfeed like service: - miki
Geocities - Maurizio
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Comment to Annie Robbins on the American Council for Judaism (ACJ) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP)
Once again, Annie directed a critique at me, in her usual rambling and disorganized way, here: She sought out and initiated the exchange, not me -- which is how this always goes. I composed a civil and substantive reply -- which is still sitting in moderation -- which means that her post has still gone unanswered. This is no way for a moderator to run a forum. This is the way dictators and depots conduct debates -- muzzle your opponent while you deliver speeches. - Sean McBride
Annie, - Sean McBride
When we begin to see organizations like the American Council for Judaism (ACJ) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) start to move the political needle in a significant way -- especially to exert a significant impact on the US Congress -- then we will all stand up, take note and applaud. But the ACJ has been around since the 1950s, and during the last half century its impact on American Mideast policy has been negligible -- non-existent really. - Sean McBride
I recently turned up this fascinating article in JTA from **May 7, 1956**: - Sean McBride
"1,350 U.S. Rabbis Denounce the American Council for Judaism" | Jewish Telegraphic Agency - Sean McBride
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Some 1,350 American rabbis of all three branches of the Jewish faith–Orthodox, Conservative and Reform-this week-end scored the American Council for Judaism in one of the sharpest denunciations of the Council voiced. The statement was released by the New York Board of Rabbis, which circularized 1,500 rabbis in all parts of the country with the document. - Sean McBride
The joint declaration hit the American Council for Judaism, asserting that it has “consistently misrepresented the Jewish people before the bar of public opinion” and “has consistently maligned and impugned the integrity of Jewish institutions, organizations and causes, and has consistently distorted the precepts of Judaism which it purports to serve. The joint declaration reprimanded the anti-Zionist organization for what it termed “slanders” against American Jews “who adhere to the ideals of Zionism.” - Sean McBride
Asserting that the Council’s “real goal is the complete disappearance of the Jewish people,” the declaration stressed that the Council represents numerically “an infinitesimal fraction” of American Jewry. “we view with contempt the Council’s attempt to dissuade Americans from helping their fellow Jews and the State of Israel through contributions to the United Jewish Appeal and the... more... - Sean McBride
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Notice that the Jewish religious establishment -- Orthodox, Conservative and Reform -- was overwhelmingly lined up against the ACJ back in 1956 -- and even then was conflating Judaism with Zionism. Since then this situation hasn't improved -- it has only become worse. - Sean McBride
One needs to be a realist about these matters, even while holding on strongly to idealistic beliefs and objectives. - Sean McBride
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There is no good reason not to clear this comment. I think the problem is that Annie can't figure out how to answer the points and handle the discussion. - Sean McBride
New comment: - Sean McBride
The ACJ (American Council for Judaism) was challenging the Jewish/Zionist establishment back in 1956: - Sean McBride
"1,350 U.S. Rabbis Denounce the American Council for Judaism" | Jewish Telegraphic Agency - Sean McBride
So why is that establishment much stronger now in 2014 than it was in 1956? - Sean McBride
One might come to the reasonable conclusion, based on solid facts, that the Jewish community as a whole is constitutionally incapable of reforming the Jewish establishment on the issues of Israel and Zionism -- that is what the long historical track record reveals. Lots of idealistic talk and promises, no effective action. The game goes on and on with no change. Fool me once, shame on... more... - Sean McBride
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I actually agree with you Sean, on the substance. Unlike phil, who continues to hope against hope, I actually don't believe the American jewish community - as a community - has it in them to change. Some young people push the debate forward, some other young people become activists, a few good people raise their voices and call it like it is (Stieglitz comes to mind). And yet, this... more... - Danaa
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# once again on the limitations of Mondoweiss and all blog systems as social media platforms
1. can't communicate privately with other users - Sean McBride
2. can't continue discussions indefinitely - Sean McBride
3. can't create new groups and subgroups - Sean McBride
4. can't edit or delete your comments indefinitely - Sean McBride
5. can't filter the comments of selected users - Sean McBride
6. can't perform complex searches on past articles and comments - Sean McBride
7. can't post comments immediately - Sean McBride
8. can't post new main articles - Sean McBride
9. can't view multiple articles with comments on a single page - Sean McBride
The main point: blog platforms don't enable complex multidirectional and decentralized communications among users -- and this is a concept which many people find difficult to grasp and appreciate. They are accustomed to being herded through a single and centralized channel. - Sean McBride
When I go back and forth between here and Mondoweiss, I feel much more comfortable here -- the interface is much more able. No friction. Smooth as silk. - Sean McBride
Multidirectional: you can communicate with any number of other users, in any combination, in public or private. That's power. - Sean McBride
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That whole JVP scene seems so cozy, insular and tribal. Strong minds don't coagulate in groups. They don't operate according to a party line. They think for themselves.
Groupthink fosters mediocrity -- and collective misreadings of the world. - Sean McBride
Summer camp. - Sean McBride
Liberal Zionism is a vanity project -- ditto for major swathes of progressive anti-Zionism. Say the right things, feel good, spin your wheels. It's a feel-good thing. - Sean McBride
Circling the wagons around Noam Chomsky is a good example of groupthink and tribal coziness. - Sean McBride
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What Will Search Look Like In Mobile? A Visit With Jack - John Battelle's Search Blog -
What Will Search Look Like In Mobile? A Visit With Jack - John Battelle's Search Blog
"I’d link to something about Jack – but there’s pretty much nothing save a single page asking “What Is Jack?” Now that Charles and Mike have given me a peek into what Jack is in fact all about, I can report that it’s fascinating stuff, and at its heart is the problem of search in a post web world, followed quite directly by the problem of search’s UI overall. Whn you break free from the assumptions of sitting at a desk in front of a PC, what might search look like? What is search when your device is a phone, or a watch, or embedded in your clothing or the air around you?" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
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Report: Google wants to build Android Auto directly into cars
Report: Google wants to build Android Auto directly into cars
I have OnStar in my Buick I love it. I would not trade it for any Google app so NO just no. - WarLord
Much like Windows-based car computers? - 9000
This technology will be evolving rapidly over the next few years -- let's see which company develops the best system and features. - Sean McBride
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Report: FBI's Anthrax Investigation Was Flawed - ABC News -
"Flawed" doesn't begin to cover it -- it was utter nonsense -- and obviously part of a deliberate coverup. What, precisely, has been covered up? - Sean McBride
The Jewish Col. who had worked at the lab and was let go or left who was seen entering the lab and being let into it after hours at night by his girlfriend who still worked there was the most obvious suspect. But the obvious was ignored. You would think the FBI would have asked why that Col. and his friends, who had harassed the Arab doctor at the lab, had sent a letter to the FBI accusing him of being the anthrax guy - American
Everything obvious about the case was deliberately buried. - Sean McBride
Philip Zack. - Sean McBride
Some pointers into the controversy: - Sean McBride
# Google; 9/11 anthrax * 1. "allah is great" 2. "death to america" 3. "death to israel" 4. advance warning 5. ayaad assaad 6. barbara hatch rosenberg 7. barbara hatch rosenberg jdo 8. bentonite 9. bruce ivins 10. bruce ivins fbi 11. bruce ivins meryl nass 12. bruce ivins paul kemp 13. bruce ivins wife 14. camel club 15. cipro 16. cipro richard cohen 17. cipro white house 18. dick cheney... more... - Sean McBride
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Likely US presidential candidate: Egyptian option should be examined to solve Israeli-Arab conflict - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post -
Likely US presidential candidate: Egyptian option should be examined to solve Israeli-Arab conflict - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
"Ben Carson, on his first visit here, tells ‘Post’ he is not sure that a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria ‘makes sense,’ and that Israeli settlement construction is ‘blown out of proportion.’" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Carson's use of the expression "Judea and Samaria" reveals that his mind has already been invaded and taken over by Likud Zionism and Greater Israelism -- as has the Republican Party in general. - Sean McBride
"Asked what would change in the US -Israel relations if he did ever come to power, he replied that he “would want it to be very clear that people who are allies are allies. They are our friends, they are not people who should ever be questioning our relationship and our loyalty.”" - Sean McBride
The notion that the United States should ever declare its "loyalty" to *any* foreign government would cause the American Founders to turn over in their graves. The concept is absurd -- nations have ever-shifting interests -- not "loyalties" to other nations. This is America on Zionism. - Sean McBride
My bet is that Ben Carson will be a strong candidate in 2016. - Sean McBride
I don't think so. I think he will be seen as a black man trying to ride the coat tails of our first black President. The racist wing of the GOP isnt going to go for him and the fringe fanatic wing of the Dems are likely going to line up behind Hillary. The 45% of registered voters that are independents could go any which way but I doubt it would be for this guy. My prediction is we wont have another black president for a while. - American
I have a slim ray of hope that Jim Webb will run...very slim. - American
I don't think he will win the presidency or candidacy -- but he may perform well in the primaries -- be a disruptive force in the GOP. - Sean McBride
Jim Webb would be my candidate. - Sean McBride
Yep, we desperately need a common sense America Firster. - American
And that's the problem: any candidate who puts American interests and values first is going to be savaged by the Israel lobby. Loyalty to Israel and Zionism trumps all other issues in contemporary American politics. Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban are the ruling billionaire monarchs behind the scenes. - Sean McBride
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seafoid: "“Blood libel” is rich coming from a Zionist. How many Gazans does the god YESHA need in sacrifice to make Israel prosperous?"
Is this the same seafoid who has disclaimed any connections between Judaism and Zionism? But there it is -- in his own comment. - Sean McBride
"Yesha is a Hebrew acronym for "Judea, Samaria Gaza" (also known as the West Bank and Gaza Strip), and is one of a number of terms used to describe the areas occupied by Israel as a result of the Six-Day War of June 1967." Yesha is completely dominated by Jewish religious Zionists who are using the Torah (and Judaism) as their script. - Sean McBride
The thinking of many progressive anti-Zionists is incredibly confused -- the problem is that they are in denial. - Sean McBride
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Harvard’s president stops an anti-Israel boycott against SodaStream - Opinion - Jerusalem Post (Alan Dershowtiz) -
Harvard’s president stops an anti-Israel boycott against SodaStream - Opinion - Jerusalem Post (Alan Dershowtiz)
"The Harvard University Dining Service has been rebuffed in its efforts to join the Boycott Movement against Israel. A group of radical anti-Israel Harvard students and faculty had persuaded the dining service to boycott SodaStream, an Israeli company that manufactures soda machines that produce a product that is both healthy and economical. But Harvard President Drew Faust rebuffed this boycott and decided to investigate the unilateral action of the Harvard University Dining Services." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Check out the comments. - Sean McBride
[Wikipedia; Drew Gilpin Faust] - Sean McBride
The CIA official who is the subject of the NBC article - protected by the torture report - has a Wikipedia page
Good catch. - Sean McBride
"Despite the CIA's insistence on the professionalism of its interrogation program, according to two well-informed Agency sources, one particularly overzealous female officer had to be reprimanded for her role. After Mohammed was captured, the woman, who headed the Al Qaeda unit in the CTC, was so excited she flew at government expense to the black site where Mohammed was held so that... more... - Sean McBride
"In January 2004, Bikowsky, as head of the Bin Laden Issue Station, made the decision to extraordinarily render Khalid El-Masri to Afghanistan for five months without any evidence in hand. El-Masri's name was a different transliteration of Khalid al-Masri, the name of a person who had supposedly met Ramzi bin al-Shibh and Marwan al-Shehhi on a train in Germany. Even after El-Masri's... more... - Sean McBride
What an incredible blot on the CIA. - Sean McBride
"certain CIA officials blocked information on future 9/11 hijackers from reaching the FBI" - Sean McBride
And why did they block that information? - Sean McBride
[Google; alfreda bikowsky] - Sean McBride
One is reminded that all the many important unanswered questions about 9/11 loom larger than ever. - Sean McBride
"Alfreda Frances Bikowsky is a CIA analyst who is partially responsible for intelligence lapses that led to 9/11." - Sean McBride
"Former counter-terrorism “Czar” Richard Clarke has let the cat out of the bag. The CIA top leadership all knew that Al Qaeda hijackers were living in the US, and for 16 months, they let them. Even one week before 9/11 this info was kept hidden from high-level people like Richard Clarke and the head of FBI." - Sean McBride
"A growing number of former government insiders — all responsible officials who served in a number of federal posts — are now on record as doubting ex-CIA director George Tenet’s account of events leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Among them are several special agents of the FBI, the former counterterrorism head in the Clinton and Bush administrations, and... more... - Sean McBride
What is this woman's personal background? I cant find a thing on it---its well hidden for some reason. Birth? school? ,married? religion?....what produced her? - American
I've been searching -- without success. It's probably safe to say that she is a neocon. One is curious to know what type of neocon in particular. - Sean McBride
Bikowsky is a very common jewish name....I wonder if she had in for arabs and liked to see them tortured. - American
I wouldn't speculate without hard facts. - Sean McBride
I dont think we are going to get any hard that she's been outed she probably has to have bodyguards. - American
More on Bikowsky------- "NBC News is withholding her name at the request of the CIA, which cited a climate of fear" ------- -----But one former intelligence officer who worked directly with her at the time said the expert bears direct responsibility for the... more... - American
This is one of the biggest stories in American politics for the last decade or two -- and the mainstream media are covering it up. - Sean McBride
Google turned up the fact that Bikowsky is often a Jewish surname -- but there are surely numerous exceptions. What would be interesting to know is the complete history of her political statements and affiliations. Americans have a right to know. - Sean McBride
My theory on 911 has always been that it wasn't a big' Bush Adm" plot as some want to think. . What is was was a 'let it happen" plot---and the people involved in the "let it happen' were certain people in strategic positions like Bikowsky who could 'withhold' vital info and shut down other agents who were pursuing leads on suspicious people entering the US. There were numerous FBI... more... - American
Your theory is highly plausible -- it would be easy to build a powerful case supporting it, based on the available evidence. - Sean McBride
If you want a bridge to collapse all you have to do is remove or weaken a few structural supports and wait for the time when there is a heavy enough traffic on it to collapse it. - American
The agonizing creaking and squealing sounds from the 9/11 official story keep getting louder, even though the mainstream media are doing their best to look the other way. At some point the entire edifice is going to collapse. On the Internet, the official story has already been exhaustively torn apart. Eventually the mainstream media will be forced to catch up. - Sean McBride
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Comment to Sibiriak on religious Zionism and the neocon campaign against Russia
Another comment sitting in moderation: - Sean McBride
Sibiriak, - Sean McBride
You wrote: - Sean McBride
"As you know, I’m quite sympathetic to your points and think most of them are valid. I was only wondering (not arguing) whether focusing on the ideological roots of Zionism in (Classical) Judaism (ala Shahak for example), however insightful, might be counterproductive in a *practical* sense–because its too touchy." - Sean McBride
You are right that the subject is touchy -- in large part because even many liberal Zionists and **progressive anti-Zionists** are terrified of stating the simple facts and truth of the case. But we live in a world in which Israelis and pro-Israel activists (including Christian Zionists) are citing themes and memes from the Torah/Old Testament with ever greater stridency. How can one... more... - Sean McBride
Trying to analyze and critique Zionism outside the tradition and context of Judaism would be like trying analyze and critique Islamism outside the tradition and context of Islam. It is simply not possible. - Sean McBride
Because the subject is so touchy for a few people on Mondoweiss, I keep this forum open for discussing it (and other hot button subjects) with no holds barred: - Sean McBride
You wrote: - Sean McBride
"In any case, at the moment I spending a lot time on other issues—Ukraine, the conflict of “the West” with Russia, geo-economics etc.– so my posts here have not been as fully thought out as I would like them to be." - Sean McBride
What -- you mean that there are issues, problems and conflicts in play on planet Earth besides Israel? :) My take on the current campaign against Russia -- it's yet another neocon op -- same old, same old -- that is what links it to Israel and the activities of the Israel lobby. In part the neocons are punishing Russia for its support of Iran. - Sean McBride
I've always appreciated your posts, btw -- they are as thoughtful and reasonable as ever. - Sean McBride
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Sibiriak is one of those high quality commenters who have gradually been disengaging from MW. Meanwhile the flood of poor quality comments from Mooser and others like him continues unabated. The moderators are responsible for creating this situation. - Sean McBride
The Evidence That North Korea Hacked Sony Is Flimsy
The highest level hacking is nearly impossible to trace -- this arena is a fertile ground for false flag ops. - Sean McBride
But I will say this: when I first saw the trailer for The Interview, before the hack attack, I thought to myself, are the people behind and in this film out of their minds? They were basically issuing an assassination threat against a living and major world leader, using his *real name*. It just goes to show you how Aspergery segments of Hollywood are. Those who associated themselves... more... - Sean McBride
The neocons are relentlessly trying to stir up conflict and violence between the United States and nearly every other nation in the world. They have Zionized American foreign policy in all domains -- not just in Mideast politics. They are aggressive, confrontational, belligerent and messianic -- they suffer from a personality disorder. - Sean McBride
Seth Rogen, btw, is a Jewish Zionist and pro-Israel activist. He's a member of CCFP: - Sean McBride
Notice how much more efficiently one can search for and browse past comments on Friendfeed than on blog platforms like Mondoweiss. If your mind moves fast, you want powerful tools -- as swift as thought. - Sean McBride
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Obama: I’m Jewish ‘in my soul’ | David Suissa | Jewish Journal -
Obama: I’m Jewish ‘in my soul’ | David Suissa | Jewish Journal
You *must* check out the comments -- overwhelmingly vicious. - Sean McBride
Wow. Obama has a soul? - peacefly
Yes comments are vicious. Obama is a liberal Zionist star after all. - peacefly
Still having computer problem, comments wont load....what do they say? - American
Does Obama have Christian celebration at the WH also,,,or didnt they give him enough money? - American
Does he have one for Catholics and Muslims?...or didnt they give him enough money either? - American
Obama=Amalek. That's the main drift of the comments, many of which carry the distinct whiff of racism. - Sean McBride
Mondoweiss on Friendfeed
JVP offers bold universalist Hanukkah message in the wake of Gaza slaughter -
Hold Jewish institutions accountable, Jewish Voice for Peace declares in a moving Hanukkah message that shows Jews how to celebrate tradition in the wake of the Gaza slaughter.
CitizenC to Annie: "You didn’t re-read the earlier Mondo posts. A “bold universalist hanukkah message” is a contradiction in terms. We urgently need to deconstruct such mythology, not sentimentalize it." - Sean McBride
That should go over well. :) Imagine -- actually applying critical thinking to these issues. - Sean McBride
[Google; hanukkah] - Sean McBride
Worth rereading (which I just did): [Avigail Abarbanel: Happy Hanukkah? Thanks, but not for me] - Sean McBride
One can envision a situation developing in which quotes from previous Mondoweiss lead articles are banned on Mondoweiss on the grounds that they insult religion (and Judaism especially). :) I am only half-joking. Phil won't even dare to quote himself. - Sean McBride
Check out this Google Trends graph, comparing interest in AIPAC, Jewish Voice for Peace and American Council for Judaism: ACJ is flatlining. JVP is showing a bit of life -- but overall appears to be boxed in. More valuable for analysis would be membership numbers and budgets over time. - Sean McBride
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Apparently Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine are now banned on Mondoweiss
The following two comments were cleared on Mondoweiss earlier today in this thread -- -- and now they seem to have been deleted after appearing on the site for a few hours: - Sean McBride
Mooser, - Sean McBride
Most (or all) pre-Enlightenment cultures (including Old Testament culture) practiced or endorsed slavery -- but Enlightenment culture was especially well-equipped to reform European culture on this issue and many other issues. The Bible, of course, is rich with pro-slavery passages. - Sean McBride
What distinguishes the Enlightenment is its emphasis on reason, science and individualism -- and its hostility to superstition and the rule of self-appointed priesthoods based on those superstitions. - Sean McBride
Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason): - Sean McBride
"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man." - Sean McBride
and: - Sean McBride
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. - Sean McBride
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Sean McBride
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Mooser, - Sean McBride
Thomas Jefferson on the Bible: - Sean McBride
"There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by Moses. That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel,... more... - Sean McBride
You've expressed your hostility and contempt towards the Enlightenment tradition. With which cultural tradition do you most strongly identify? Who are the thought leaders of that tradition? - Sean McBride
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Has it come to this -- do progressive anti-Zionists now find the writings of Enlightenment leaders and American Founding Visionaries too hot to handle -- material that must be censored? One wonders who applied pressure on Mondoweiss to remove the posts that it had cleared. - Sean McBride
Also, once again, someone at Mondoweiss is trying to protect Mooser from dealing with the give and take of fair and open debate. - Sean McBride
What could be more hostile to the Enlightenment spirit (and more *ironic*) than censoring discussion about the actual beliefs and writings of Enlightenment thought leaders? And on a progressive and supposedly free-thinking site? Really -- it's amazing -- 1984 Orwellian -- perhaps we should scrub the Internet of the writings of Jefferson, Paine, Voltaire, Diderot, etc. - Sean McBride
Btw, the mainstream media remarks of Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins on religion are very much in this stream of the Enlightenment tradition. With regard to many problematic (and appalling) attitudes in the Old Testament, mainstream Judaism itself has openly wrestled with these difficulties -- that is why Judaism has produced numerous reform movements (not just Reform Judaism) since the Enlightenment. - Sean McBride
When "progressive anti-Zionists" try to censor discussion about the central role of Judaism in Zionism, they are running interfence for and empowering Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists. In other words, they are essentially in the same camp as "liberal Zionists" in terms of their bizarre self-contradictions and hypocrisy -- and they look quite ridiculous. The game here:... more... - Sean McBride
What has created some confusion about Mondoweiss is that Phil is clearly very smart about these issues -- he has addressed them directly several times in his lead articles with insight and nuance -- but apparently there are a few people hovering around him who are not nearly as developed in their thinking as he is. They come to "the war of ideas" unarmed -- and still in the grip of narrow tribalism -- curled up in the fetal position. - Sean McBride
Well with the Jefferson quote you just blew the Jews favorite claim that they and the Jewish Exodus and the OT was actually responsible for the founding of What is the Jewish equivalent of Catholic Holy Water?....they're probably running to get whatever it is to throw on you next time you show up. - American
Apparently Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine -- the two most influential minds among the brilliant American Founders -- failed to get the AIPAC handout. :) - Sean McBride
The notion of censoring Jefferson and Paine on an allegedly bold and free-thinking voice for progressive values boggles the mind. Actually, when you think about it, the neocons have already done everything in their power to destroy and erase the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. There is a pattern here. - Sean McBride
I just reposted the Jefferson post to make sure its disappearance wasn't an accident or glitch -- wiped again. Someone at Mondoweiss is very upset about the views of Thomas Jefferson on religion and is determined to bury them -- really -- the situation is laughable -- pitiable. Or scary -- it has a "Soviet" feel to it. - Sean McBride
Jefferson like Moses and Jesus was just a man. His caricature of both Jewish and Christian figureheads is more suited to literary than realist descriptions. Jesus was not a hippie of any sorts. And Jefferson was very much outside the norms of his society. The Enlightenment was not a European group project; it was diverse intellects, even eccentrics seizing the day. The civic structure was already in place for it to take place. - peacefly
Diverse intellects, but with a distinct center of gravity. They created the modern world. - Sean McBride
Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Dawkins would all be levelled by Jefferson, Blake and Kant. The former are morons. - peacefly
I agree -- they are not nearly in the same class -- certainly not geniuses. - Sean McBride
Christopher Hitchens should be added to that list, with Maher, Harris and Dawkins. - Sean McBride
At least two of the three are ethnocentric Zionists. Hitchens was a disgrace, fomenter of war and chaos in the name of civilization. How is he diff from Al-Zawahiri? The Enlightenment I'd like to think curtailed such zealous bloodthirsty habits as expressed by Hitchens and Harris. - peacefly
Also when I said "morons" it had little to do with the false concept of iq and everything to do with morality. - peacefly
At least three are ethnocentric Zionists -- and their understanding of Enlightenment values is highly warped. - Sean McBride
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Two positive developments at Mondoweiss
One can edit one's comments again -- at least for a brief time. (Here you have unlimited time in which to edit or delete your comments -- you have full control over your own writing -- which is the way I like it.) - Sean McBride
Conversations are being permitted to develop over greater time again -- which makes them much more interesting and useful. - Sean McBride
Regarding getting a natural conversational flow going -- with spontaneous sparks of mental energy -- catching thoughts while they're hot -- difficult to impossible. The blog medium in general is looking so last century. - Sean McBride
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Mooser asked: what can be done to uncouple Judaism from Zionism?
One thing that can be done: encourage Jewish religious leaders in *public conversations* to begin drawing clear lines between Judaism and Zionism -- to explain to the world where they differ. But have we reached a point in which those leaders no longer believe that there any differences between Judaism and Zionism? Game over? - Sean McBride
Censoring the debate over this issue is probably not going to solve the problem. - Sean McBride
Btw, Mooser just posted a surprising batch of smart comments in which he reveals that he *does* understand -- fully -- the problematic relations between Judaism and Zionism. One wonders why he spent so much effort pretending that he didn't understand. - Sean McBride
In reply to your puzzlement - Mooser understands quite a bit. He just didn't like you personally because of your over-aggressive and condescending on-line persona in debates. I told you before like three dozen times that Mooser has the zionism/Judaism angle figured out just fine. It's just that you haven't been reading his posts to others with the attention they deserved, even as you... more... - Danaa
Danaa -- I couldn't begin to match Mooser for aggression, bullying, insults, arrogance, etc. -- that's his specialty. But for some reason you are willing to overlook that behavior. And you continue to get it backwards -- Mooser pursued me -- I didn't pursue him. When the critique of Jewish religious Zionism first emerged on MW, Mooser lost his wit and humor and went all Terminator --grim as death. The archives tell the tale. - Sean McBride
Danaa, sorry but Mooser is a asshole imo. And his witty little attacks on people have gotten old and arent amusing any more. He literally 'stalks' people he doesn't like with his' interpretations' on what they've said. So it doesnt matter what he understands, its his mouth and attitude that makes him an asshole. He's had his three strikes with me and I never respond to him and ignore... more... - American
American, understand you don't care for Mooser and neither does Sean. All I'm saying is to just avoid engaging with him, that's all. Some on-line personas rub people the wrong way and frankly, it would be surprising if they didn't as that's what happens in 'real" life too. There are lots of people i don't care to engage with. So what else is new? All I was saying is that sean and Mooser... more... - Danaa
Danaa -- I tried to avoid exchanges with Mooser, but he kept coming at me -- and he is still doing so now -- as of today -- he just called me a "right-wing mouth-breather" on MW. I never called him "stupid" -- I pointed out that he rarely posts interesting documentary material in his posts, with cites -- as do most of the best commenters on MW. I most prize *knowledge-based* commenters like Hostage, whose posts are sorely missed. - Sean McBride
Danaa, let me say again that "I dont engage with Mooser'' or even respond to him-- BUT that does not prevent his addressing and stalking my comments. So in my case the problem is in him. I scanned MW articles and 100 comments this am for any developments and noticed his comment on my comment that the Judaism is or isnt Zionism debate is best left to the Jews to settle . This was his... more... - American
American -- since Danaa hasn't been the target of obsessive stalking by Mooser, as we have been, she may not have noticed what is going on. And we are not the only targets who have been subjected to this abusive treatment -- other users have complained about it. - Sean McBride
My personal policy is to avoid all feuds with other commenters -- they are a waste of time -- that is why I stopped engaging with hophmi. The only reason I keep engaging with Annie is because time and again she has interfered in my conversations with other MW users in a highly aggressive way. I have definitely had the feeling of being stalked by her -- often by her in combination with Mooser -- they act as a tag team. - Sean McBride
American -- quickly scanning the most recent 100 comments on MW -- I see at least 15 by Mooser. Total comments posted by Mooser to date: nearly 20,000. A high percentage of them have insulted the intelligence of other MW commenters -- essentially dismissing them as morons. - Sean McBride
Just quit commenting. I think I've made 3 comments in 2 weeks on MW anyway. I really have nothing much to add to MW and I am not that into all the Jewish debates. I've started relying more on twitter with Max, Greenwald, Walt and others, to pick up on news blips. I noticed some important news about Hamas this am on Max's twitter, I'll post it above. - American
American -- that is a *smart* use of Twitter -- you are quickly skimming the cream of daily commentary on Israel and Mideast politics. Many of those Twitter links point to valuable long-form articles and essays -- one click and voila. The trick is to find the best feeds to follow. - Sean McBride
Regarding Mooser's style of argument -- most recently he has accused me of being a "right-wing mouth-breather," a supporter of slavery and someone who is "frightened of Jews." And Danaa thinks he's smart? :) Check out his attempts to discuss the Enlightenment tradition in this thread - Sean McBride
sean, danaa should be applauding you for finally getting that rat fink Mooser to engage in the key issues of the Jewish Question, when mooser asks, "what can be done to uncouple Judaism from Zionism?" - pepsi
unfortunately, danaa doesn't want to have that conversation either. She'd rather play pat-e-cake with her fellow Jews than to ask, "what can be done?" - pepsi
one minute danaa tells sean and american they should take mooser's supremacist bigotry personally, and the next she tells sean to back off, so her jewish circle-jerk party isn't threatened. Better a supremacist, bigoted, gatekeeping comments section than none at all, she insists, jewishly. - pepsi
I just scanned the 100 most recent comments on MW. It stinks. - American
Mooser has managed to anger Keith (along with quite a few other MW commenters). Check out this exchange: - Sean McBride
KEITH: Listen Jerk, that isn’t what I said and I resent you implying that it was. Perhaps you have more in common with Hophmi than either of you would care to admit. - Sean McBride
MOOSER: Look Keith, I can’t help my DNA! I was born with it, and so far, although it is possible (or so I have read) to get your foreskin replaced, I’m stuck with the Jewish DNA, not that I mind. And if Hophmi was ever short, and needed a DNA transfusion I would volunteer. We don’t agree on stuff, but I won’t see him wither and die for lack of Jewish DNA. - Sean McBride
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Mooser used to be a popular figure on MW -- he's gone off the rails -- attacking all and sundry -- usually by maliciously mischaracterizing their words, which he doesn't seem to take the trouble to read and understand. It's a weird and uncomfortable social situation, to say the least. - Sean McBride
With regard to the ethnocentrism angle on this, the comment speaks for itself -- mocking and jesting on the surface, dead serious at the core. - Sean McBride
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# today's 5:2 fast day by calories
1. apple=100 2. egg=70 3. egg whites=50 4. fish=90 5. potato=70 6. soup=120 7. /total=525 8. /free=75 - Sean McBride
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The current state of Sisi
On Arab uprising anniversary, US back to business as usual with Egypt's military - Sean McBride
'Sisi regime is more authoritarian than that of Hosni Mubarak' - Sean McBride
Most MW commenters predicted this outcome. - Sean McBride
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Israel severely rebuked, as PM warns 'spirit of appeasement' blowing through Europe - Israel News - Jerusalem Post -
Israel severely rebuked, as PM warns 'spirit of appeasement' blowing through Europe - Israel News - Jerusalem Post
"PM slams moves in Geneva, Luxembourg, Strasbourg, as focus on Palestinian statehood turns to New York." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
There is that word again: SLAMS - Sean McBride
"At the end of a day in which international organizations in Europe severely rebuked Israel, and the French were poised to submit a joint resolution with the Jordanians and Palestinians to the UN Security Council calling for a Palestinian state in two years, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said a “spirit of appeasement” is blowing through Europe." - Sean McBride
"Speaking Wednesday evening at a reception for foreign journalists, Netanyahu cited three decisions – the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg’s taking Hamas off the EU’s terrorist list, the European Parliament’s resolution backing Palestinian statehood, and the call at a meeting of the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention to investigate Israel for supposed violations of that convention – as indicating Europe’s interest in appeasing the “very forces that threaten Europe itself.”" - Sean McBride
“Because Israel is the forward position of European civilization." Really? London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Stockholm, Zurich and Amersterdam can't do quite nicely without Tel Aviv and Zionism? And they are not capable of seeing through this propaganda and crude and self-serving psychological manipulation? - Sean McBride
"In a related development, Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman has rejected requests to meet with Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallström when she visits Jerusalem next month, because of the way Sweden went about recognizing “Palestine.”" That will teach Sweden a lesson. - Sean McBride
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"The Best Way To Take Notes"
"The Best Way To Take Notes"
I've been doing this for years -- the flashcard approach, with many items in two associated columns on single pages. - Sean McBride
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Naftali Bennett Hipster Ad: What It Really Mocks | The New Republic -
"It is the mentality of the second Jew, now dressed up as a Tel Avivian hipster, that Israeli politician Naftali Bennett pillories in a new ad in advance of the upcoming Israeli elections. Bennett, an erstwhile tech entrepreneur who turned to politics after selling his company and making millions, is the leader of the right-wing party Habayit Hayehudi, the Jewish Home. The party is against the creation of a Palestinian state, and Bennett himself is a controversial figure, not least for his penchant for making off-color remarks, such as the time he told The New Yorker: “You can’t teach a monkey to speak and you can’t teach an Arab to be democratic.” Or the time he told an Arab MK, “When you were still swinging from trees, we had a Jewish state here,” or the time he suggested that Palestinian terrorists should be shot, seeing as “I already killed lots of Arabs in my life, and there is absolutely no problem with that.”" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"But the ad’s target is not really a Tel-Avivian hipster; rather, it is anyone who feels that Israel has ever done anything wrong—be it the Flotilla, the war in Gaza, or the occupation more generally. The ad casts such nay-sayers as effete layabouts who walk little dogs and wear jewelry. Bennett is using this feminized male as a characterization of leftist thought—weak, image-conscious, fearful." - Sean McBride
o; Naftali Bennett; quote by; You can’t teach a monkey to speak and you can’t teach an Arab to be democratic. - Sean McBride
o; Naftali Bennett; quote by; When you were still swinging from trees, we had a Jewish state here. - Sean McBride
o; Naftali Bennett; quote by; I already killed lots of Arabs in my life, and there is absolutely no problem with that. - Sean McBride
Israeli leaders are making it incredibly easy for the United States and Europe to cut the cord with a clear conscience. - Sean McBride
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Experts to Scrutinize Israel Lobby During April 10 Conference at National Press Club -
""The Israel Lobby: Is It Good for the US?" is an all-day conference which will take place April 10 in the National Press Club ballroom in Washington, DC. Questions will be addressed by experts of all ages and backgrounds from academia, government, independent research organizations and alternative news media shut out of public discourse. The conference is co-sponsored by the American Educational Trust's publication Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) and the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy, Inc (IRmep)." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"How did Israel lobbying organizations become so influential in America? Are U.S. and Israeli interests, as claimed by the lobby, truly "the same"? Does Israel's strategic value drive massive U.S. aid, or is it mostly the influence of Israel's lobby in this country? What laws govern lobbying for a foreign government, and are they enforced? Why is ongoing economic, military, industrial and nuclear espionage by Israeli spies working with American supporters almost never punished?" - Sean McBride
"How big, in terms of revenue, activists and organizations, is the lobby today? How are lobby operatives targeting critics and pro-Palestinian activists on campus? Are qualified government appointees blacklisted if they do not espouse sufficiently pro-Israel views? How can Americans who do not believe in massive aid, pro-Israel slogans, activities and policies become enfranchised?" - Sean McBride
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Crack open your Bible: 929 day study project begins in Jerusalem - Israel News - Jerusalem Post -
Crack open your Bible: 929 day study project begins in Jerusalem - Israel News - Jerusalem Post
"The last verse scheduled to be read on the 70th anniversary of Israel’s Declaration of Independence." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"929, the brainchild of Bayit Yehudi MK and Deputy Education Minister Avi Wortzman, is the daily study -five days a week- of a Biblical verse. The project which officially begins on Sunday, December 21, aims at being a primarily Jewish all inclusive and accessible experience whereby Jews from every imaginable background will come together to study the verse of the day, derive their own... more... - Sean McBride
Re: the Judaism/Zionism issue. - Sean McBride
"President Reuven Rivlin who together with his wife Nechama hosts a regular Bible circle, as have his predecessors before him, said that he was excited at the prospect of embarking on something that was a little different, and in fact unique. The presidents of Israel all saw a value in studying the Bible he said, but in connecting with 929, he personally was studying the Bible not only... more... - Sean McBride
The identity card of all humanity? On what grounds? - Sean McBride
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# a few data mining tools in everyday use by many people
1. recommendations 2. Bing search recommendations 3. Flipboard recommendations 4. Google News recommendations 5. Google Now recommendations 6. Google Play Store recommendations 7. Google search recommendations 8. Netflix recommendations 9. Pandora recommendations 10. Prismatic recommendations 11. Smartnews recommendations 12. Topsy recommendations 13. Twitter recommendations 14. Twitter search recommendations 15. Youtube recommendations 16. Zite recommendations - Sean McBride
In reference to the discussion with Danaa. I love this technology -- it's still in its infancy -- it has a big future. - Sean McBride
# data mining tools: recommender systems: domains 1. apps 2. articles 3. books 4. dates 5. events 6. film 7. hotel rooms 8. investments 9. investors 10. job seekers 11. jobs 12. music 13. news 14. patents 15. people 16. products 17. projects 18. routes 19. services 20. shopping 21. topics 22. TV 23. tweets 24. videos - Sean McBride
# this feed relies heavily on data mining tools, including 1. Flipboard 2. Google Alerts 3. Google News 4. Prismatic 5. Smartnews 6. Topsy 7. Twitter - Sean McBride
The human mind, without machine augmentation, is highly limited in processing, prioritizing and making sense of the billions (or trillions) of pieces of new information that enter the world every day. It's a pattern recognition problem of the greatest difficulty. - Sean McBride
The human race is now immersed and enmeshed in a rapidly evolving web of data mining technologies - Sean McBride
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David Frum: Harvard University over-rules attempts by left-wing students to impose Israel boycott on dining halls
[Alan M. Garber Appointed Provost] - Sean McBride
Does Alan Garber have any ties to Israel? There is a potential Mondoweiss article here. - Sean McBride
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Annie Robbins finally shows her hand on censoring discussion on the relations between Judaism and Zionism
Annie Robbins: - Sean McBride
"hi sean, i’m done moderating your comments in this thread because i’m not qualified to judge where attacking a religion (or claiming it’s insignificant and completely consumed by a political construct) crosses the line into attacking the worshipers of a that religion given my repulsion for your determination to insist judaism is completely consumed by zionism, or whatever it is you... more... - Sean McBride
She is trying to moderate a topic about which she is completely ignorant -- she can't put together two coherent ideas on it. - Sean McBride
We'll see if this clears: - Sean McBride
oldgeezer wrote: - Sean McBride
"It’s a bit silly to see adherents of Judaism as a monolithic block, and say their religion is the problem, just as it is silly to lump Protestants and Catholics together as one." - Sean McBride
No one here has said that all adherents of Judaism comprise a monolithic block that supports Zionism. The argument is that *all* of the leading organizations of the Jewish religious establishment strongly support Zionism (apparently, now, even including the American Council of Judaism) -- and that they have combined Judaism and Zionism into a single ideological package. It's a gigantic... more... - Sean McBride
These religious organizations and leaders merit as much reasonable criticism as Christian Zionist groups. - Sean McBride
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Not yet cleared: - Sean McBride
lysias, - Sean McBride
<blockquote> Two roads diverged in a wood… One descendant of ancient Judaism, Christianity, gave the Old Testament a universalist interpretation. The other major one, Rabbinic Judaism, gave it a tribal, exclusivist interpretation until the Enlightenment, when it too gave the Bible a universalist interpretation. Until Israel was founded and Zionism swamped universalizing Judaism. </blockquote> - Sean McBride
That is one of the best brief summaries I've seen of the history of Judaism yet. - Sean McBride
Judaism had a brief moment of universalism during its Enlightenment phase (which was inspired primarily by European, not Jewish thought leaders, like Voltaire, Diderot and Jefferson), and then, with the emergence of Zionism, quickly sank back into narrow ethnocentrism and tribalism -- which is where Judaism stands in the year 2014. Even the formerly anti-Zionist American Council of... more... - Sean McBride
The crisis of Zionism is really the crisis of Judaism and Jewish civilization in general. The ability of Zionists to communicate with the rest of the world is rapidly deteriorating because, in an Aspergery way, they have little respect or empathy for the concerns of outgroups -- for the human race at large -- for modern universalism. - Sean McBride
Quite a few progressives seem to be in denial about what is going on -- including progressive Jewish anti-Zionists. They really don't differ that much from liberal Zionists in their insistence on clinging on to sentimental beliefs that don't match up with reality. - Sean McBride
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Ah, it turns out that Annie deleted this comment outright -- she can't hold up her end of the debate, per usual -- so she relies on censorship to try to muddle through: - Sean McBride
Annie, - Sean McBride
I pointed out to jon s that the racist, bigoted, violent, ethnocentric, nationalist and genocidal passages in the Torah/Old Testament greatly outnumber the vague, feel-good universalist passages, and that many contemporary religious AND secular Zionists use those hate-filled passages (certainly hate-filled by the standards of contemporary civilization) to rationalize and justify Israeli and Zionist policies. - Sean McBride
When you read texts, you need to study them *whole*, with all the parts in context and in proportion. I've read the Old Testament carefully from beginning to end at least five times, in combination with a great deal of critical analysis. I urge everyone here to read it all the way through at least *once* to understand why that work acquired such a bad reputation among Enlightenment and universalist thinkers -- they were appalled by it. - Sean McBride
Many people who haven't actually read the Old Testament, but who have only heard bits and snatches of it from popular culture, are shocked and horrified when they do. - Sean McBride
Christianity arose as a universalist and progressive revolt against the narrow tribalism and nationalism of the Judaism of that era. Compare the flavor and tone of the Old Testament and New Testament regarding tribalism and universalism. Reform Judaism, which was an Enlightenment product, emerged from a similar perspective on ancient Judaism -- like Christianity, it was created in the... more... - Sean McBride
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And Annie Robbins is now also deleting my replies to Mooser -- giving him an open field to engage in attacks without rebuttal: - Sean McBride
Mooser, - Sean McBride
I told you clearly that I don't think there are any available solutions to the problem of Zionism in a historical era in which Zionism and Judaism have merged into a single ethno-religious nationalist ideology and captured the minds and emotions of Jewish establishment leaders lock, stock and barrel, with little effective resistance or opposition from the Jewish community at large. - Sean McBride
All one can do is try to make reasonable predictions. What I foresee is an increasing collapse of relations between the Zionist world and the rest of the world -- there is nothing I can do about it. What do you propose? What do you foresee? - Sean McBride
As I mentioned before, I would expect a fair number of Jews to disaffiliate from the Zionist organizations (nearly *all* Jewish organizations) which are creating so much social and political friction with "the nations." Many of them just want to get along like the rest of us in modern Western democratic nations which care about universalist values. - Sean McBride
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So much for the vigorous and informed "war of ideas" on Mondoweiss -- it's a rigged game. - Sean McBride
I just noticed that Annie has deleted yet another comment that had already been cleared: - Sean McBride
jon s, - Sean McBride
Don't the passages commanding ethnic cleansing or genocide outnumber the universalist passages to a considerable degree? - Sean McBride
For instance: - Sean McBride
Deuteronomy, chapter 7: <blockquote> When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy... more... - Sean McBride
Surely you must see the parallels here with the attitudes of quite a few Israeli settlers and religious Zionists? - Sean McBride
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It's fascinating that Bill Maher on mainstream TV (HBO) discusses (and roasts) the violent themes in the Bible on a regular basis -- but that conversation is too hot to handle for Mondoweiss. - Sean McBride
Been decades since I read the Old Testament and New Testament (in school theology classes) but my impression was God in Old Testament was a violent and punishing God whereas in the New Testament God was forgiving and merciful. The Old was jewish scriptures, the New was Jesus. The Old Testament was Jews as tribe and against the nations - and God in OT very vengeful and violent against enemies---- sounds lot like zionism. - American
I had to laugh at the guy who said the Exodus could be seen as a 'universal' theme of Judaism. Liberation and all that. LOL. - American
American -- of course, what you say is precisely true -- but even these simple concepts, which anyone with even a passing familiarity with the history of Judaism and Christianity understands, are going right over the head of Annie Robbins. If Phil Weiss and Adam Horowitz back up Annie's charge that discussing these issues is "antisemitic," I think it will be time to write off Mondoweiss as a lost cause. Perhaps Jerry Slater had it right about Robbins all along -- the basic complaint: not very bright. - Sean McBride
What did Slater say about her? - American
Slater had problems with the generally mediocre, sloppy and uninformed quality of her thinking and writing, as I recall. One wonders why Phil Weiss and Adam Horowitz permit her to represent Mondoweiss so prominently. Her posts are a mess -- and usually angry and overwrought. - Sean McBride
Everything you really need to know about Zionism can be found in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua -- it's all there -- the basic ultra-nationalist myths, memes and themes -- fleshed out by the other books in the Old Testament. I strongly doubt that Robbins has read a single book in the lot. - Sean McBride
A moderator should not let their 'personal opinions' and 'personalities' dictate what they moderate. - American
Robbins has corrupted and degraded the comments section. She is using it as her soapbox, exercising control and censorship to prop up her personal (and often uninformed) opinions. But the buck stops with Phil Weiss -- he has permitted this situation to go on and fester for quite a few months now. - Sean McBride
In the golden age of MW, no one got in the way of vigorous debates expressing a wide range of views -- moderators were careful not to interfere with the natural flow of conversation of commenters. They didn't try to impose their point of view on the comments section as a whole. She is rather a despot and tyrant by temperament -- she revels in wielding what little power MW affords her. - Sean McBride
I wrote this last Saturday in a private message: "Annie has gradually come to believe that Mondoweiss is her personal blog -- and she has become increasingly bossy, opinionated and erratic in her management of the comments section." - Sean McBride
I am totally not joining you Sean in this tirade against Annie. frankly, if not for her, there would probably be no comment section at all at MW. If you want to rail against Annie, you will lose me. vendettas by anyone against anything are not my cup of tea. We lost over time many comment sections. haaretz's Talkback was one of the best ever and it's gone. The Guardian CiF was excellent and it's now severly curtailed. If MW will go by the way of HuffPo et al, that's something we have all expected. - Danaa
No one, as in NO ONE awes any of us a platform fro carrying out our favorite discourses/debates etc. IF MW does not wish you to carry on, especially in light of the OBVIOUS disinclination of the site to be a vehicle for any one particular debate, then you may just have to accept this and move on. - Danaa
On this feed, you can exercise whatever editorial control you wish. You can block people, you can engage with them on any topic, or not. It6's your feed and your choice. But on MW you are one commenter out of many., and if they don't want to go on and on in one particular direction that's important to you, then that's their choice. You can complain to the editors, and you can complain... more... - Danaa
I will repeat again - without Annie there's no comment section, period. She does the lion share of moderating for virtually no compensation. They'll never find another one like her willing to work countless hours on a thankless task for nearly nothing. That's the reality. It seems to me, sean, that you would rather destroy what's left of the comment section than to have your special... more... - Danaa
One more thing - I took note of your second comment above, the one you said was deleted. At some future time of my choosing I will make a similar comment, just as I have in the past. I bet you it'll clear. I told you it's personal - it's you personally they don't want to engage with on this topic. may be the way you approach it is a bit pointed and ascerbic. may be you telegraph too... more... - Danaa
Several times you described Mooser here as "not very bright" also. It could be he took note of that and decided engaging with you is for the birds. Now you called Annie all but "stupid", even dusting off good old Slater to back your denigration (why, if Slater said it he must be right, eh? after all, we all admired Slater, didn't we?). Now I'm beginning to wonder about things. Lots of things. But one thing i won't wonder about is why Annie prefers to give you a pass. - Danaa
I can't help but wonder now - was it your purpose to derail the MW comment section altogether just because it did not live up to your expectations? if it'll be no more, will you feel vindicated? is that what you were after all along? - Danaa
I have settled the argument for everyone ----->American December 17, 2014, 12:45 am '' Judaism is Zionism- Zionism is Judaism Yes it is– No its not. Anyone can find 1000s of articles by Jews and Rabbis claiming it is and claiming it isn’t. And all of them on both sides quoting this and that from the Old Testament to prove it. So its crystal clear that Judaism is Zionism for some of them... more... - American
Cause that's the - American
<<We lost over time many comment sections. haaretz's Talkback was one of the best ever and it's gone. The Guardian CiF was excellent and it's now severly curtailed. If MW will go by the way of HuffPo et al, that's something we have all expected.>> ~Danaa. ....... ;....... It's nice that MW restored the comment period's length.. Too bad they had the unwieldy redesign though. - WJones
Danaa -- the Mondoweiss comments section could easily survive the departure of Annie Robbins -- there are any number of people out there who are better educated than Annie, more literate, have more analytical minds and better editorial judgment, and who would be eager to lend a hand. Annie more than anyone else is responsible for the steep decline of the quality of MW comments -- she is... more... - Sean McBride
One begins to wonder: are there any significant differences between many Likud Zionists, liberal Zionists and progressive anti-Zionists? Many progressive anti-Zionists are no more able to deal honestly and objectively with the ideological roots of Zionism than Elliott Abrams, Michael Ledeen or Benjamin Netanyahu. It's all about emotionally circling the tribal wagon in all circumstances. - Sean McBride
To the main questions I addressed to Phil Weiss and Allan Brownfeld in the "Yes, Virginia" post, still no answers, no serious thinking of any kind. It's no wonder that progressive anti-Zionists have not made the slightest impact on affecting the power of the Israel lobby -- they are afraid to address the question of what sustains that power. In their gatekeeping function on this issue they are as much enablers of Zionism and the Israeli government as liberal Zionists (and even Likud Zionists). - Sean McBride
Danaa -- your instinctive inclination repeatedly has been to side with Mooser and Annie Robbins in their efforts to censor informed discussion about the role of Judaism and the Jewish religious establishment in empowering Zionism. It's difficult to reconcile this behavior with your many critiques of Judaism and support for Gilad Atzmon. I am still trying to understand the strange self-contradictions here. - Sean McBride
Danaa -- Annie has severely damaged the comments section by flooding it with her opinions (most of them written in mangled and confused prose), while at the same time moderating the section with a heavy hand to manipulate and rig discussions and debates in her favor. Really -- the situation is ridiculous. Phil sets high standards for MW in his lead articles. Annie has muddled and muddied the MW brand. I am surprised you can't see it. - Sean McBride
Danaa -- Phil in his lead articles has often shown a strong curiosity and open-mindedness about discussing the Judaism/Zionism issue in a bold and frank way. Instead of encouraging Annie Robbins and Mooser in their worst tendencies you should instead be encouraging Phil Weiss in his best tendencies. After all, it's his blog -- not Annie's or Mooser's. This is a conversation he has the... more... - Sean McBride
Annie is making a bit of progress: "anyway, i am rambling. i’m in the odd position of protecting judaism or islam or whatever. i’ve asked someone else to step in and make these decisions on this thread. it’s over my head." The operative words: "it's over my head." - Sean McBride
Sean, your personal vendetta is kind of getting a bit stale. It's all about you being "smarter" than others and has absolutely nothing to do with whatever issue you are into. If you were arguing about the fact that night follows day and insisting the people debate the issue with you, it would be the same. You came across as obssessive with an ax to grind. Given your over-aggressive tactics, I am not sure I would want you to be the one carrying on the argument. - Danaa
I honestly think the issue of Judaism vs zionism matters to you a hill of beans. Only being right matters to you. I hope you enjoy the thin airs of your eternal scintillating brilliance. keep calling everyone stupid and see how far that gets you on the popularity scale. I now see you are, in fact, much like pepsi in argumentation style - keep beating the same theme to death long after everyone else left to find greener pastures. perhaps the two of you are not so different after all. - Danaa
Danaa -- you've got this backwards -- Annie and Mooser have consistently been the aggressors in these exchanges -- and you have consistently defended them. Regarding the range of my interests concerning Mideast politics -- look at this feed -- it covers a wide variety of angles on the subject, not just the religious angle. In fact, I think the cyber angle is much more interesting than the religious angle -- but few people at MW are equipped to discuss it. - Sean McBride
The only side I am siding with is civility and knowing when you are hurting rather than helping your side of the argument. As I said before - IT IS NOT THE TOPIC BUT YOU PERSONALLY that people don't wish to debate or carry on with because your style is too obssessive compulsive. Just like our debates about Twitter - you never heard or acknowledged a thing I said about the pointlessness... more... - Danaa
There is no Judaism vs. Zionism issue now -- they are one and the same thing, according to the leading authorities on Judaism. Anyone involved in debates about Israel is now involved in controversies about Zionism and Judaism simultaneously whether they know it or not or like it or not. - Sean McBride
There you are again, describing people at MW as "not equipped" with this that or the other. most of us believe that if you think MW is not "up to your lofty standards" then perhaps another venue is what the doctor ordered. You should find people who share your standards to debate with. If they are not at MW I'm sure they are somewhere. May be you could start your own blog and call it... more... - Danaa
Danaa -- regarding Twitter and Big Data: I addressed your remarks in a substantive way and you never replied to my points. Sophisticated Internet users know how to mine Twitter and other social media to automatically extract high-quality editorial content with minimum effort. It's a powerful tool for those who know how to use it. It greatly reduces noise and increases signal -- it... more... - Sean McBride
I confess -- I like bright minds and bright people. That is what drew me to Glenn Greenwald's and Philip Weiss's blogs, and their early communities of commenters -- lots of fascinating and useful conversations there. I suspect you were drawn to those blogs for the same reasons. What has been disappointing is to see the gradual decline in the quality of conversation on MW. But this may be the fate of all great discussion forums -- they eventually lose steam and burn out. - Sean McBride
It's the simple truth: if the MW folks were "well-equipped" regarding cutting-edge information technologies, they wouldn't have permitted an outside company to degrade the quality of the Mondoweiss site. And generally I've noticed that Phil and Adam haven't taken much interest in the details of the Greenwald/Snowden revelations about the technologies being currently wielded by NSA,... more... - Sean McBride
That is why I posted this article today -- "National Cybersecurity Center of Excellence improving security in US, Israel" -- which one of my data mining tools pushed to the top of the queue for me. - Sean McBride
What I like about Glenn Greenwald, among other things -- he's not a gearhead by nature, but he has worked hard to wrap his mind around important technical issues that are foundational for contemporary politics. Good for him -- that lad has grit. That is why his collaboration with Edward Snowden produced powerful revelations that shook the world. He dug in and learned about the technology. (One can imagine how much it hurt his head to master the personal cryptographic system that Snowden taught him. :)) - Sean McBride
Well I'll be damned....Mooser is still stalking and making unsolicited comments on my 'one' comment regarding letting Jews settle the Zionism -Judaism divide/question. And he's getting uglier and uglier. He even has to slam Presbyterians ------------->Mooser.December 17, 2014, 2:17 pm....''....And oh yeah, I forgot to mention, all kinds of different Protestants, so many I certainly... more... - American
I noticed -- rolled my eyes. - Sean McBride
There is a quality of out-of-control dementia in many of these posts -- the endless stream of drivel -- and of course the over-the-top narcissism -- the voices in his head are always clattering away -- the tone is usually mean and cutting. Psychological issues. Tics. - Sean McBride
In every case of my 3 run ins with Mooser his attack on me on the basis of my 'gentile' opinions and implying I am anti Semitic or stereotyping Jews.As I said before it is impossible for people like that to understand that people can regard Jews as differing 'individuals' and still recognize that they often act as a 'collective' force. I see nothing contradictory in holding those two... more... - American
The vibe he puts out when he goes into Terminator mode is that he has sniffed out Amalek. - Sean McBride
Sean "Sophisticated Internet users know how to mine Twitter and other social media to automatically extract high-quality editorial content with minimum effort. It's a powerful tool for those who know how to use it.". You say I don't get "it", and I'm telling you the "it" does not interest me. I have you to mine the news for me, and if it weren't you it'd be someone else. I am not a paid... more... - Danaa
OK, interlude over. Gotta go back to what's pressing..... - Danaa
Well I am just going to say one more thing about Mooser then i am done with him. The first run in I ever had with him was on a thread where people were discussing something about Jews, how they were kept down in ancient days, and someone said something about Jews being in the financial world, on WS, etc... I made the comment that more Jews going into banking, WS and etc instead of... more... - American
American, everything you said about the reasons Jewish people were in the money trade is true. That is exactly How I learnt about the history of the Jews. Also no one in Europe would object to your statements at all. the problem with Mooser was on two levels; (1) he figured out you were not jewish so therefore saying "Jewish" and "money" in the same sentence was verbotten, and (2) he is... more... - Danaa
Sorry for the history "lesson" - I didn't mean to lecture, but I am sharing my experience as a one who came to this country as a foreigner and was astounded to find out how little people knew about history of, say, Europe. And that included some of the most learned jews I met. That includes Phil himself. Only in history departments you find knowledgeable people. So Mooser, to bring the... more... - Danaa
Anyways, i take all this into account when I talk to people like Annie or mooser or keith or even Slater. I see no point (though once i may have) of denouncing people as ignoramuses, having become cognizant of just how ignorant I am about things I learnt nothing about. that being said, it's true that I get treated better than you or Sean. Benefit of the doubt, tribal "status" and all... more... - Danaa
My own suggestion is: get a blog going that's run by a mix of jewish and not jewish editors. Not easy but all it takes is two, one on each side who are open minded and have the kind of non-ascerbic personality on-line that would attract others. Phil, whatever people think about him, simply brought an attractive personality to the I/P debates - who wouldn't want to have dinner with him? who wouldn't be willing to even pay for dinner. So there - this is what it's all about. personality first, debates later. - Danaa
Danaa -- I hear you loud and clear on your views on social media mining, and I respect them. We all process information in our unique and idiosyncratic ways -- and thank God for that. I like social media mining precisely because I value my time -- it permits me to scoop up the most valuable new information for me personally in the least amount of time and with the least amount of... more... - Sean McBride
Danaa -- I also appreciate you being so forthright and forceful in expressing your opinions about the Annie/Mooser situation -- why beat around the bush about your views? :) Neither of us is shy about expressing our opinions and I like that -- it cuts through the bullshit nice and quick -- and eventually things get sorted out one way or the other. I wouldn't waste time in discussions... more... - Sean McBride
Wrt to the tug of war with Annie, my held-up posts were cleared -- I assume either by Phil or Adam -- which is what I expected would happen. - Sean McBride
Danaa, no I dont mind the imput. But it mystifies me that so many Jews on MW who are so into the Jewish subject seem to have no real historical knowledge at all about actual Jewish history. Next to my fiction addiction, I am a history fan, not expert, but read a lot about different eras and countries that come up on my radar screen--so when I got involved on MW, where the theme is very... more... - American
Tragedy is that the opportunity for a Jewish Renaissance in the US has ended in capitulation to tribalism. This tribalism also ties it to the "diasporic". The term "diaspora" of course is a Zionist one; it predates Herzl. The immense wealth and influence has not served the core ideals of equity and fairness but a neurotic worldview that bristles against and blames the outsider in the... more... - peacefly
peacefly -- great comment -- overloaded with content ("overloaded" is a compliment) -- you packed many powerful ideas into that single paragraph. The key challenge facing Jewish civilization in the 21st century: solving the problem you described. I'm an optimist -- I think it can be solved in a positive way to the satisfaction and benefit of everyone. - Sean McBride
Jewish messianism is a powerful force that can evolve in both negative and positive directions. Let's figure out how to nudge forward the positive impulses -- the universalist strains in the culture rather than the tribalist and xenophobic strains -- but without abandoning the culture as a whole. But doing that will require ruthless honesty in trying to figure out what elements in the culture have often gone wrong. This is not a project for the timid. - Sean McBride
I cant find anything positive about Jewish messianism. And I havent been able to find any universal strains in the culture either. Every time I ask for some examples of the universalism all I get is quotes from Jewish writings. What I want is real world 'examples' of how they have 'practiced' universal principles. - American
Jews have often been in the forefront in the battle for social justice, human rights, civil rights and civil liberties. But Zionism has created enormous confusion about which values Jewish civilization really stands for. - Sean McBride
What is most problematic in Jewish civilization: mystical ethnic collectivism. That meme is at the core of both ancient Judaism and contemporary Zionism. - Sean McBride
'' Jews have often been in the forefront in the battle for social justice, human rights, civil rights and civil liberties'..sean)......Still, give me some examples in history, countries, movements other than some Jews involvement in Civil Rights. I am looking for specific examples. In all my research i cant find any movements by Jews in human social issues prior to their involvement in... more... - American
Cant find any Jewish movement against SA Apartheid either---->Search Results History of the Jews in South Africa - Wikipedia, the free ... Wikipedia The early patterns of Jewish South African history are almost identical with ..... The majority of South African Jews were unsupportive of the anti-apartheid cause. ‎History - ‎Today... more... - American
That's because there was no such movement. Vast majority of these movements were supported in the U.S. out of self-interest or safe emotional ways to exercise responses to Holocaust - hence no outrage against own tribe in Occupied Palestine - and not overarching universalism. That's why its quoted, first they came for the [fill in the blanks]. Jews in SA had no fear as "whites", many of... more... - peacefly
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