What do you know? Valleywag got everything wrong. Google is hiring, not laying off. Also, our interview scores actually correlate very well with on-the-job performance. Peter Seibel asked me if there was anything counterintuitive about the process and I said that people who got one low score but were hired anyway did well on-the-job. To me, that means the interview process is doing very well, not that it is broken. It means that we don't let one bad interview blackball a candidate. We'll keep interviewing, keep hiring, and keep analyzing the results to improve the process. And I guess Valleywag will keep doing what they do...
- Peter Norvig
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Further, while you hired a rare few people who got "1" scores on one their interviews, you rejected 99 percent of those people, and you have no idea how they would have performed. Those you did hire turned out to be top performers. Sounds broken to me. (I am the author of the Valleywag post in question.)
- Ryan Tate
Hi Ryan, thanks for commenting. First: we get over 1000 resumes a day. We can't hire all of them. I am painfully aware that a few of the people we don't hire would be as good or better than a few of the people we do. I feel bad for the people we have to reject who are equally qualified, but that is the nature of uncertain decision-making. Now what I said in the Seibel interview: we try...
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- Peter Norvig
It's a great shirt. Google is tops. No system is perfect -- so long as there's a weighting for intangibles and accounting for style differences between interviewer and interviewee, all should be fine.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Bump. Maybe Ryan didn't get a chance to see that you'd responded, Peter.
- Matt Cutts
Could you recommend any literature on data driven hiring practices? Google seems to use many analogical reasoning questions for screening applicants. It would be interesting if there was a relationship between analogical reasoning and productivity.
- Brandon Smietana
Peter, did you ever read Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink? Seems to me the other piece of the hiring process to analyze is the cost-benefit analysis - is it worth doing so many interviews and so much testing if people's first hunch is often the best indicator? (Which isn't exactly what Gladwell said, but partially).
- Laura Norvig
I'm very suspicious of relying on the first hunch. If you hired everyone based on your first hunches, you would discover that most of the time you are wrong. I've lost count of the number of times I've interviewed someone (either on-site or as a second phone interview), and learned that the previous interviewer did not ask them to write code, despite the position being one that required...
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- Piaw Na
Yeah! Always go with the _second_ hunch.
- Andrew C
I'll have to do some tests to see if this is any faster than my local ISP DNS.
- Benjamin Golub
hmmm... and the reason behind this offer?
- MikeAmundsen
They will then know every single domain name that every user is trying to resolve, and how often, etc.
- Mistletoe Glen
DeWitt that doesn't mean they aren't copied elsewhere or they will actually follow through with the policy.
- Todd Hoff
anyone know what appears when the domain request is invalid? i.e. will i see a google search page w/ ads?
- MikeAmundsen
Yay! This is super cool. I'm using it to work around my ISP (Comcast) hijacking DNS requests.
- Joe Beda ()
Another cool thing are the vanity IP addresses that were obtained for this: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. '8' is a lucky number, you know.
- Joe Beda ()
@Todd: Actually, the privacy policy is pretty clear about what's temporary and what's permanent. If temporary logs were "copied elsewhere" as you suggest, it would be a pretty obvious violation of this policy. And I think it's pretty unreasonable to suggest that Google wouldn't "actually follow through" on its own privacy policy.
- Joel Webber
Joe, do you know who had 8.8.8.8 prior?
- Micah Wittman
Fast, doesn't seem to hijack 404s in any way. But I will have to go over the privacy policy carefully, in the context of Google's broader privacy policy. I wish we knew if the NSA had direct access to Google's traffic like they do for ISPs. This will certainly give Google a lot of data about web use.
- LogEx
Joel, it's just a policy. If the NSA or some other agency says Google won't get this slice of spectrum etc then don't be surprised of all that traffic is split off some switch somewhere into total information awareness.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd - half the company would quit in protest on the spot if Google even contemplated doing something like that. Including our own founders. But here's a question -- what could a company do that would reduce your fear? Clearly you use the Internet, and DNS, today. What assurances did your ISP make that cause you to trust them? Personally speaking, I find the Google DNS privacy policy a heck of a lot more reassuring than my ISP's. At least Google is promising in writing to do the right thing.
- DeWitt Clinton
People don't know DeWitt. All those fat internet pipes hook into switches that have tap lines on them. And are there any examples of people quitting en masse in protest? I've not seen it. There's nothing people can do to reduce my fear because I know too much about it. Those promises don't matter. They can change at anytime and there's no external verification and as I said, the data is...
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- Todd Hoff
I wonder how much this gets traction beyond things like Chrome OS where Google can require the client to use their name servers. DNS is an abstract concept to most people, and for businesses, Google Public DNS doesn't offer the level of control other managed DNS services offer (like OpenDNS, for example). As an IT guy, one thing that I see missing is the ability to manually refresh the cache. I'm also interested to see how Google respects TTLs.
- Mark Trapp
BTW, here's the Speakeasy Privacy Policy: http://www.speakeasy.net/tos.... Here is Comcast's: http://www.comcast.net/privacy.... Here is AT&T/SBC's: http://www.att.com/gen.... Guess what? None of them publish a log deletion policy and ALL of them reserve the right to do nearly whatever they want (even sell) your personally identifiable information, including IP addresses. Those ISPs are seeing every bit of traffic from our machines today.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, I went through that, and I'm still left wondering what Google's caching does. It doesn't explicitly say that Google will always respect the TTL on a record, and I don't see a remedy to resolve an outdated cache (for example, if Google fetches a record with a TTL of 86400 10 minutes before I change that record, if there's no way to force a manual lookup, even changing the TTL to...
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- Mark Trapp
@Mark -- I can't see how to force a manual refresh either, but I'll find out. I agree that it's necessary in some situations.
- DeWitt Clinton
Mark, that page DeWitt linked to seems to infer that they respect TTL for prefetches: "The complexity of the name selection problem makes it impossible to solve online, so we have separated the prefetch system into two components: a pipeline component, which runs as an external, offline, periodic process that selects the names to commit to the prefetch system; and a runtime component, that regularly resolves the selected names according to their TTL windows."
- Matt Mastracci
@micah Level3 owns 8.0.0.0/8 and Google has 8.8.8.0/24. BTW, 7.7.7.7 is owned by the US Dept. of Defense.
- Joe Beda ()
Matt, what concerns me about that is it seems they interpret the TTL as a range of times they're allowed to ask for a new record; that is, if they automatically refresh records faster than the TTL, that's okay, as long as they don't hold onto it for longer than the TTL. A TTL shouldn't be a guideline: if I set a TTL to 86400, unless I manually tell you to fetch it again, you shouldn't...
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- Mark Trapp
Cool, added them to my list of servers that dnsmasq is to use.
- Grant Bierman
The RFC does specify TTLs as "a 32 bit unsigned integer that specifies the time interval ... that the resource record *may be* cached before it should be discarded" I don't know if there's ever going to be a rock-solid guarantee that a resolver will cache your records (its cache could always overflow or become corrupted). Jumping TTLs isn't half as annoying as the broken resolvers that cache one of your round-robin DNS responses for all their customers for days, though. ;)
- Matt Mastracci
Oh yes, checking too quickly is definitely a better problem than checking too slowly. One of the things we used to deal with was managed DNS that charged by the record lookup; in cases like that, you absolutely want people to respect the TTLs you specify or it can wind up costing you dearly. I don't really know if companies still get away with that (we get managed DNS for free now), but...
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- Mark Trapp
I'm not happy with this. I feel it is a step too far. They could know and control way too much... from the OS Chrome to DNS/ mweh! And then what about a system fail! Laugh! I'm sure Murphy is working on it. How much of the network could go down with it. #don't-put-all-your-eggs-in-one-basket
- DC Crowley
If you are in an abusive relationship, GET THE HELL OUT! If you have a friend needing help to get out of an abusive relationship, lend a hand! Thanks, -danny
- Danny Howard
Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox.
- Tudor Bosman
That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys!
- Zackatoustra
FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!!
- Renchin(Reina)
So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-))
- ianf ⌘
TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality.
- AJ Kohn
Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house!
- Brian Solis
(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...)
- Louis Gray
علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعیه؟ :)))
- Mehran
:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم
- Aly
Been using it for months. It's getting pretty good.
- Sean O'Connor
adblock? when it is as good as ff, i am there
- Gregory Lent
I tried to switch from FF a couple weeks ago but it still seemed buggy to me. I couldn't get the bookmark manager to run and I couldn't reorder the icons on my bookmark toolbar which in FF is simple drag and drop.
- Ed Millard
There are still a few little hitches here and there, but it's really coming together overall. The only reason I open Safari these days is to run Wave (there is still an irritating scroll-hitching bug in Chrome that affects Wave; I'm sure it'll go away soon). Oh, and I'll take fast over adblock any day :)
- Joel Webber
I've been running it as my main browser for a few months now. Works great and I wouldn't go back to the others.
- Diego Barros