Myself I get blamed for using invite lists on facebook and for breaking the architecture of twitter. Scoble gets blamed for using a script that takes people's contact information. He gets thrown off and argues his way back and I am guilty of the same issues, but because I'm not Alist I do not get the same leverage. He never speaks out about others that go through his own situations. He...
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- Noah David Simon
I love Twitters's raw simplicity yet Friendfeed has better features, especially the agrigation of all my web content. If Friendfeed had a killer iPhone client and I could easily import all my Twitter connections, I would switch.
- David Jacobs
when Twitter is working well, it doesn't take that long for the tweet to show up here. I agree, though, they are different, and they work well together. I don't filter Twitter because I don't like it, I do it because the tweets take over the page.
- Alejandro
Good stuff Loic. I love both services. I think they are very complementary and I think they will both succeed. Regarding the time lag of the tweets on FF raised by Mr. Gillmor - I don't think that's such a bad thing. If there is a tweet worth commenting on we can probably use a few minutes to think about it and prepare a response on FriendFeed.
- Mike Doeff
if there would be a good IM service or mobile client on FF i would switch totaly to FF.
- Mathias H.
@Mathias - check out http://fftogo.com for mobile access to FF. :-) this cool app was recently created by FF master user Benjamin Golub.
- Susan Beebe
@Susan Wow, FFToGo is great. If @Benjamin sees this, please incorporate the smart compaction of long comment threads. Then it's perfect!
- Carter Rabasa
There isn't an ideal way to compact comments right now because you can't get the details for an individual entry through the FF API (for instance I couldn't just say, give me the comments for this entry, I have to "happen" upon it in list of entries) and I can't use Javascript. I have a few ideas though. I'm also accepting feedback here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Benjamin Golub
This is so right, brilliant! Scobleizer uses his followers as leverage for popularity, now his Followers can leverage him for some Fun! A bit off reversal of fortune, if you ask me! IMHO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
except Scoble deserves to be blamed. Problem is that so does Chris Brogan and the rest of the Alist. These dudes did not deliver a higher authority of morality. The best they can do is say "Be Nice"? Fuck them... you have that kind of pull on a network and you do nothing but talk about technology. These dudes are a waste and we deserve better then this shit. Scoble is one person... but...
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- Noah David Simon
not saying the the rich should be punished. http://xrl.us/bmazc I'm saying that till the ecology of a social network gets better (and it wasn't that big a pond on twitter)that the Alisters should be guides to the landscape. They function as community leaders and they rarely get involved or if they do then they're sense of morality is warped. I don't mind someone like Scoble and Brogan...
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- Noah David Simon
For the most part the Alist is unacceptable and incapable of being social mover and changers.These dudes are marketing people.They only know how to market a revolution,not actually have any ideas about what needs to change. If you get thrown off of facebook do you post a video about how Iraq being an illegitimate war?No you post relevant videos to your situation, but Robert Scoble is a...
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- Noah David Simon
Myself I get blamed for using invite lists on facebook and for breaking the architecture of twitter. Scoble gets blamed for using a script that takes people's contact information. He gets thrown off and argues his way back and I am guilty of the same issues, but because I'm not Alist I do not get the same leverage. He never speaks out about others that go through his own situations. He...
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- Noah David Simon
i'm using it less and less everyday. i wonder why...
- maique
ill be creating twitter clone soon yet I tested with over 1.500.000 hits didn't break down...I think its going to be awesome can't tell much more!
- Live Crunch Blog
from twhirl
is twitter back via IM? if not, its still down
- Nathan Eckenrode
Now it's the broken hand (claw) robot, then it's the whale and birds, Now it's technical difficulties, thanks for noticing, then it's: Twitter is over capacity. Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again. And yet we keep coming back again and again, like crackheads! ;) And Stockholm syndrome also seem to float around on the waves somewhere...! Dunno, Imjussayinisall...! There oughtta be a law! ;)
- Mario Olckers
Twitter's worse than my 110-baud acoustic modems. At least those were a consistent 110-baud... I often argued to people that the Web never would have succeeded before the 9600-baud modem. We needed pictures at a half-reasonable speed to grab the masses. How's Twitter going to grab anyone new in this condition?
- Mitchell Tsai
I have noticed a trend toward more openness since the last major outage. Twitter seems to be getting better about letting people know about problems and what action is being taken. This seems to have calmed people down a bit for now.
- Kevin D. White
Seriously guys, time to move on to FF. Those of you who use the twitter IM bot, all you have to do is add im@mojipage.com to your GTalk/XMPP client and then start "fweeting" (to a specific room if you don't want to pollute your main feed with short blurbs) More info: http://mojipage.com/pages/bot/
- Wil
I heard that a lollercopter may have been involved
- Eric Berlin
not a problem for me, i guess they need to work on it, but it's not like i'v paid for it and need it 24h/24, give those guys 1000 chance, they kind of deserve it !
- Ben Borges
Oh I love twitter, not giving up on it anytime soon
- Eric Berlin
"I don't disagree with the statement that they are both different things, but I'd still argue (as I did earlier) that of any company or startup, FriendFeed is best placed to move into that space and kill Twitter. They aren't the same now, but like FF Rooms it wouldn't be a huge leap for FF to start offering a Twitter style clean, simple, short messaging service as an option; think the current FF messaging/ direct posting but refined and delivered quasi-standalone for those who just want the Twitter-type experience. On this "FriendFeed on the other hand is a pure aggregation tool"...well it started this way, but I'm seeing more and more direct conversations on it, particularly when Twitter is down. If FF follows a similar path to Twitter (remember Twitter was originally a mobile/SMS style service) users will start demanding more refined messaging tools, so perhaps FF becomes more Twitter like (and eventually a Twitter killer) by evolution."
- Duncan Riley
As soon as all the interesting people I follow on Twitter are here (and it may be soon) I will just turn off twhirl/Twitter and forget about it
- Brian Sullivan
I agree that the two services are complementary rather than competitve. They serve different purposes. Some will use FF as a Twitter replacement, but that isn't where it's going to shine. As you stated in the post, Matthew, Twitter's biggest enemy is itself.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
I think twitter is non-intrusive whereas friendfeed is more engaging so i dont see myself moving out of twitter currently
- Kapil
there's no "block" feature on friend feed. that's major.
- B.L. Ochman
FF appears fast and stable - that, to me is critical - hopefully the features will come - hopefully they are reading their own feedback group comments
- Mot Faerin
I like both, so I'm not going to drop either one.
- Rosana Kooymans
BL I can hide things here which is far better than block.
- Robert Scoble
Early adopters do what what all early adopters do... whether it trickles down to the masses is a different story. Twitter is more cognitively ergonomic than FriendFeed, which is a combination of too many things. Twitter it is for the rest of us.
- Kevin Lim
@Brian the majority of my Twitter friends are on FriendFeed, I don't use Twhirl as much as I used to now jut leaving the web page open and refreshing!
- Joe Dawson
it's about the users and the data, I think people should be more concerned about how to monetize it (VC and waiting for acquisition doesn't count)
- francis dupuis
from Alert Thingy
FriendFeed has cool features, but I don't see it replacing Twitter for me any time soon. I like both, but use Twitter much more (when it's actually online :) ).
- Daniel Shaw
I wish FF woujld make the font darker in this comment box, and the box as large as Twitter. It's harder to read and comment as quickly as Twitter. If FriendFeed did that, they would totally challenge Twitter.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
FriendFeed is different things to different people. One thing it is though, is useful.
- Tanath
Outstanding. I wish more people would follow suit.
- EricaJoy
I've been playing with it being off and on. On brings the data here, off lets me use Twhirl. But if the XMPP version of Twirl is coming soon, then all will be good an joyous in the world. Of course this might blow twitter completely out of the water.
- Tris Hussey
I have all tweets hidden in FriendFeed anyway. I may do the same, actually.
- Phil G
@Phil - I personally like getting the tweets. They really are microblogs, just as worthy of Likes and Comments as full blogs. I'm not terribly active on Twitter anyway, so I don't feel the duplication issue.
- Hutch Carpenter
I hide twitter posts unless they've been commented on. That is such a nice nuanced feature. That said, I'm already over all the twitter/friendfeed posts that dominate the overall friendfeed content stream. Fascinating, sure, but talk about a circle jerk :-)
- Jason Toney
Some of us don't know the subtleties of FriendFeed's "hide" feature. How about a tutorial?
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
pretty simple, actually, in your "friends" feed, you should see "hide" as an option on certain types of entries. Click it. When you do so, the content for that entry will dissapear and then you'll see two new menu items - "undo" and "more options" (or something to that effect). In that "more options" menu, you'll get more control over the types of things you've hidden.
- Jason Toney
The problem with Friendfeed's HIDE feature is very subtle. There's not a downward arrow/triangle to imply that this is a drop down menu. I used to be scared to click "Hide" because it didn't look like there were MORE options (kinda like how More has the arrow, you know there's more options). Once you click "Hide", you'll see that you have a good selection of choices-- by user, service, just one post, etc. Pretty easy. UI needs a tweak. (I'm an old design/UI person/product person so I obsess on this stuff) :
- Eric Rice
I have been told I'm more coherent in some mediums over others. I have to hack the social norm of Twitter and work around 140 chars, causing spam.Anything threaded, I can get to the point faster, without obsessing about having to delete spaces or type like a 12 yo who's in ur feed lol. Other trivia: I'm not a raging lunatic in video as can be perceived in print; I hardly generate data on Facebook, etc. One size does not fit all.
- Eric Rice
maybe this is what it is need for the twitter folks to get out of denial about their horrid uptime ... I honestly can't believe they got any funding
- John Blanton
from twhirl
It's a slippery slope. Then what? AT&T's dropped iPhone calls?
- Jonathan Leavitt
Twitter has become an ugly, ugly mess. I hope their chief engineer has a Scottish accent... I just can't take the strain.
- Bill Sodeman