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Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble
What is real time search? Join us live at http://www.kyte.tv/channel... and comment here:
May 12 - Comment - Share
This is the official back channel, we'll watch this during the panel discussion. - Robert Scoble
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Real-time search, sounds cool. How much bandwidth does it use? - Charbax
Why does realtime search matter? Isn't accurate search more important? - David Damore
I have this on in my headphones but never opened anything! weird! Scoble is invading my brain with search! :-) (guess it must be important so I'll stay...but really weird - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How much time does it really use? - ledretch
matters because i want to know what is happening RIGHT NOW! I want to know what's happened in the last hour, day, and so on - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How do you filter through the noise in real-time? - Charbax
that's the really big issue Charbax, how do you filter the noise, and how do you filter for relevance - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's scoopler.com .. and many more ! - MiKE from twhirl
real time search is largely a different beast than indexed searches in google - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
doesn't replace it it augments it - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
google does something similar noe doesnt it? - goutham
one riot sounds exciting with the searching the links and the content - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Google just added "Recent results" in Google Search Options - Charbax
Google will be real-time in 2010, see the math here: http://www.satine.org/archive... - Charles Ying
I especially like how the one riot scheme seems to be protected against spam, and against gaming the system as one can game trending topics on twitter or digg stories etc. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The more I'm hearing, the more I like the idea. Not necessarily about Britney Spears though. :P - David Cook
VERY good point about the monetization by serving ads against real-time searches - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
checking out oneriot.....a lot of my queries dont get any results..is this because theres nothing recent related to my query ? - goutham
Facebook is holding me back with their manual refresh - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Real time search is great for on going events, such as sports, crisis, event related, but it is only a single part of the search dynamic - Kim Landwehr
related news article: http://edition.cnn.com/2009... - goutham
Since when is Real Time the new trend to focus on? - Charbax
What % of searchers [people] require data that can only be derived from a "Real Time" search? - David Damore
What has made Real Time search possible recently, I couldn't hear what he said. - Kim Landwehr
It's only been a week or so that I have been more and more excited about friendfeed, I don't know what really triggered it for me. I'm still not interested in twitter though. - Charbax
Holden: Mine isn't live - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Charbax Same here.... the streaming of posts....like Twitter.... but live drew me in. - David Damore
David: At the very least journalists, and politicians and similar need data that's real time for sure....people in general are also interested in the real time news - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yup the real-time ajaxy features of friendfeed are pretty cool. But friendfeed is still a huge mess in my opinion. But I see the potential for huge improvements just around the corner - Charbax
People in general watch 5 hours of CNN in average each day, they are very hungry for real-time - Charbax
Does Friendfeed create a unique number, like an IP address? this would allow for some sort of search to link sites to a person... think of people named Mike Smith.... which Twitter etc accounts are linked to the one I am looking for? A unique ID number would allow searches to be more accurate - David Damore
there's a lot that people are working on about "localized relevance" like that "the john smith that knows Robert Scoble" was robert's example a couple days ago - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Charbax: Exactly re: CNN - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and then with 5 CNN's going on, I want to be able to drill down on that content in real-time as well - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yup as soon as they figure it out, it'll be like a real-time CNN about all topics and involving all users on the web - Charbax
Twitter and Friendfeed had the best real time search as far as I know. - Steve Chou
Cnn Headline news is realtime for the masses. - Kim Landwehr
It should predit value in the items based on previous ratings on each source - Charbax
the problem with the twitter search is that it only searches the conversation...this is what I liked about the oneriot scheme....they go beyond the conversation - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So if I "Like" a lot of Scoble items, his comments, likes and items should be highlighted on my view automatically. Without me having to manually subscribe to each user, each feed and stuff and then manually filtering through my subscriptions and activities within that - Charbax
"Like" should be like little votes of confidence in a users posts.... those are interesting to me... Computer.... give them higher relevance. kthxbai ;) - David Damore
For example, if you find my comments aren't relevant, there should be a "Hide" icon which then more likely hides my comments to the 1000 people in this real-time conversation about this event- At least hides them for yourself and other people that rate like you. - Charbax
the problem with that David, is that in the quest for internet stardom, people game those likes (just like on digg) -therefore it becomes nothing like a vote of confidence, but a vote of popularty first, and later a vote of who has the biggest bot - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It wouldnt vote the person up for others, but for self - David Damore
I think it can be made safe for gaming. Likes/Hides only affect other users that have Liked or confirmed the relevancy of your activity. - Charbax
That is the correct tweet, is it not? - David Damore
Took 3 searches.... First on Seach.twitter.com... that was a fail. Link is > http://search.twitter.com/search... - David Damore
It probably took Google a while to get that as the top result... might have been harder to find for days and weeks after the event - David Damore
IRC was invented in 1988 - Charbax
Seems that Search.Twitter is not pulling tweets more than a month old now - David Damore
foobar - Robert Scoble
It doesn't exist until google says so! - Geoff Schultz
last I saw they were saying 50days or so - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
doesn't the hashtag help exclude for words that are common? - David Damore
@guruvan (Rob Nelson): tried a search for the url of the twitpic... not going back a month. Here is the search > http://search.twitter.com/search... - David Damore
wouldn't surprise me that they can't keep even that together. too much oprah not enough geeks ---- This just in from Jesse Stay: Did Twitter Just Kill #followfriday? http://friendfeed.com/jessest... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Why Didn't PubSub Become Twitter? - Charbax
Real-time will reach a large audience with Android - Charbax
if you are looking for an interesting way of looking at geographic movement of Twitter users.... see text and video here > http://heyitsnoah.tumblr.com/post... - David Damore
After people see an ad on a billboard... do they tweet or post about it anywhere... way to measure ROI of that billboard and location... - David Damore
HAve you seen how websites that put ads on TV sometimes have some special characters after the .com part? Like > .com/offer55c - David Damore
It's to try to track effectiveness of the ad - Charbax
right. WHere are we getting good ROI... the ad I was referring to was for was for pajamagram... they had heavy ad rotation just before Feb 14 - David Damore
David: have you seen how many people are posting the audi-bmw billboard feud? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and David: re: hashtags Yes, that's one of my arguments for them that actually shows they can be useful (albieit in a limited number of circumstances) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Do you guys have any questions? - Robert Scoble
How much extra bandwidth/processing is required for real-time versus slower static search? (Twitter/friendfeed crashing, who knows how much they pay for server/bandwidth?) Is it sustainable and scalable as a free service with millions of simultaneous users? Will people have to pay for high bandwidth/processing real-time services (like real-time stock info technology)? - Charbax
I have a question for the oneriot rep: m...same as above, basically, how is it that you can index more, and more times than google in a day...where is the economy coming in that you can process what appears on the surface to be more data? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan Thanks. Re: Hashtags - David Damore
One of the problem I have when doing a real time search during a crisis is knowing where the person reporting from, are they located where the crisis is or are they 1,000 miles away and just repeating something they saw some where, that why I think location is important. How is that problem being dealt with - Kim Landwehr
@guruvan: Had not seen the "audi-bmw billboard feud" perhaps we can discuss outside this chat later.... - David Damore
Does the Twitter API have or can it contain GPS location information? - David Damore
David: it has at least some location info. But I think it's global based on the setting in the Twitterer's account, not based on the tweet itself. - Robert Scoble
Rock on, is this still live?!?!? =) - Colin
yup live - Charbax
why can't we just have a smart enough search to mix in realtime and standard (deeper) search? - James Ostheimer
@Scobleizer: Thanks - David Damore
It still is live. I'll try to get to these. - Robert Scoble
http://search.twitter.com/advance... "Places Near this place Within this distance miles kilometers" - David Damore
tha'ts the real question James. for the short term I think we see both alternatives, and in the longer run, the more successful companies will absorb the opposite end-of-spectrum and integrate (ie. the standard search company will absorb some real-time companies) then you'll have what you want.....the issue is probably the fact that the innovation is going to come from smaller companies in most any market, and the long term stability comes from the old-hands buying them up - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan, I ask b/c I am trying to do this w/ one of my projects (http://www.re-searchr.com), but all focus is on realtime now, not sure if that is a good thing or short-sighted - James Ostheimer
James: as a small player, you have to bite off what you can chew. No I don't think its short sighted at all. I think it's realistic. It would be shortsighted to think that "just real time" is a "forever" business. the business is search, and the two will converge, but not until it happens naturally - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan, amazing what a small player can chew w/ all the API's available now, just a few years ago it was much harder (if not impossible) - James Ostheimer
How do tag clouds come into this? TweetStats has tag clouds... perhaps they would be used to see what topics a user talks about a lot... making them a sort of expert.... do tweets that contain one of their top tags get RTed a lot...by who? What are the tag clouds of the people RTing? - David Damore
David: just because someone tweets about a topic a great deal doens't make them an expert. Think of how many "twitter experts" you see on twitter. it's very easy to game these trends it you want to. RT's are user for gaming stats too. it's a difficult problem to solve - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just wondering if there is a way to create an algorithm to sort that out... - David Damore
everybody cannont be on the first page of Google results... There is a way of sorting the wheat from the chaff - David Damore
Goole needs to buy friendfeed - Charbax
surely there is, but it's way beyond me. Everyone that I've seen so far, I've soon after met someone who can work the algorithm to their own advantage. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Admore, the answer is Yes, you can look at the links they tweet, how many times they are retweeted, the content of their tweets, and do some sort of expertise determination, it won't be perfect... again my project (see above) tries to do that as well - James Ostheimer
@Charbax: Think you are on the $ with that. Re: Google + Friendfeed. Perhaps: Ads to the right of the stream. - David Damore
@James Ostheimer Checking your link from above out. Thanks. - David Damore
I'd love to see more of you project. (I'm definitely against the part about how many times it gets retweeted though, I know the RT crowd, and how they're playing the game) but nonetheless it sounds like an interesting project - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
feeds.google.com it could be called - Charbax
Agreed, I prefer tunkrank (google that :) ) to # retweets, I actually don't use RT as a metric, just mentioning one could... the url to look at is: http://www.re-searchr.com/recomme... I am not in love w/ the results yet, but it is a start. - James Ostheimer
chekcing it now :-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
should I get proper response to any other than the search you sent me to? the first one I did failed with an error - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sometimes I have been getting proxy errors, when twitter takes forever to return, but technically it should work... what was the query? - James Ostheimer
"social media" -No surprise that twitter takes forever. especially after they pissed everyone off tonight - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
To really make this work well I need to start sucking down the firehose, not even sure how to start that process :) - James Ostheimer
that's apparently reserved for "trusted partners" you might see if you can ask Robert or Paul - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
wow, loads of great comments here. i should have had my laptopo open while we were talking! hit me up @tobiaspeggs if you have any more specific questions about OneRiot - i'd be delighted to respond! - Tobias Peggs
tobias: I will be hitting you up. I'm going to run a piece on the new search battle that's heating up, and would love to chat. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
great job hosting this Robert. I posted about it on SiliconAngle.com - this little event has a huge meaning especially in light of google's searchology.. check out the post. Robert we are developing real time search stuff in SiliconAngle Labs - I haven't officially announced it but SiliconAngle Labs has been operational for over 6 months.. love to tell you about it.. it's a group of entrepreneurs and developers just hanging around in the garage... - John Furrier
Here is the link on SiliconAngle.com http://www.siliconangle.com/ver2... Google is further along in search than most people think - John Furrier
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