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The future of the Palestinians
You know, there is a major factor in the Palestinian situation that I don't see many people noticing or commenting on: the Arab world overall seems to be showing decreasing interest in the plight of the Palestinians and in fighting for their rights. - Sean McBride
Many Americans and Europeans may be thinking, if Arab governments themselves aren't up in arms about the suffering of the Palestinians, why should we be? - Sean McBride
The future of the Palestinians could be very bleak indeed. Israel and the Israel lobby are determined to crush their spirit, and possibly to spirit them out of them of Greater Israel in large numbers. Power elites in the United States and Europe seem to be unwilling to get into a real fight with Israel and the Israel lobby over these policies and plans -- the personal costs of doing so... more... - Sean McBride
They had an "Arab boycott." And it's important to Middle Easterners. But it's not an issue in front of their faces. They care about their own countries too. - WJones
Yeah. In case of a war, what is stopping them from driving out the Pals? I think some people left in the Nakba because they thought it might be a total genocide, but it didn't happen, so they didn't all leave. It will be tough for the Israelis to kill or deport most Palestinians logistically and in terms of politics. They were not so open about the Nakba when it happened and they still aren't, and that makes it harder to implement in the face of opposing factors. - WJones
How many Iraqis did we kill, maim or displace in the Iraq War? How many Americans care? - Sean McBride
Destroying the shrines on the Temple Mount and ethnic cleansing the West Bank are two things that would be difficult to achieve. - WJones
Easy to achieve under the cover of a generalized war between the West and Islam. - Sean McBride
The Israel lobby, through an endless stream of propaganda in popular culture, has largely succeeded in dehumanizing and demonizing Arabs and Muslims in the minds of most Americans. - Sean McBride
There are what, 5 million Palestinians? They would have to kill and expel maybe 4 million of them to replicate the 5-1 ratio Slater had in mind for the land inside the Green Line. It will be harder to expel them than the Nakba. That is why the Naksa didn't work. hey realized the israelis weren't going to kill them all like the Turks did to the Armenians. - WJones
They've been dehumanized, but not enough that Americans would be OK with the deaths. They would not like it. Now would they actually stop it? If the elites were OK with it, probably not. I don't know if the Elites are mostly OK with such a genocide, and I think most Israelis aren't. - WJones
Bush said privately that the occupation was really bad. - WJones
Where was the American concern over Iraqi deaths? Madeleine Albright: the deaths of a half million Iraqi children were worth it (regarding sanctions). Americans are being primed to commit or accept genocide. - Sean McBride
Weak concern by a minority. - WJones
I see you are being realistic. I want to too. - WJones
There would have to be generalized war and a desire by enough Israelis to kill them and the US elites "OK-ing" it. - WJones
I am not saying it is going to happen, but there is a chance that it could happen. - Sean McBride
An observer, maybe Finkelstein, said they are looking for the chance. - WJones
They were not always proactive. They waited for the chance and then took it in 1967 to seize the land. - WJones
The chance would have to present itself. It would require a big operation to deport or kill 4 million people when they will be less willing to leave. They left because they thought the Nakba was going to be temporary in 1947. - WJones
Where there is a will there is a way. - Sean McBride
Privately Netanyahu spoke of killing them like sick animals. Publicly he has said that ethnic cleansing is not acceptable. - WJones
You know how these things work -- there are the public statements and there are the actual thoughts and deeds. - Sean McBride
Ok, so Yes, like I said, the US elites would have to OK it because they rely on the US. Granted, they did not need anyone's OK in 1947-48. - WJones
Someone should collect genocidal statements by modern Israeli leaders to show this. - WJones
Off to a restaurant -- will pick this up later. - Sean McBride
No, stay. - WJones
My wife is nagging me. :) Hold that thought. - Sean McBride
Yeah, I guess your right. If they get into a war with Egypt and Lebanon, they could expel them. But I dont think they will fight Egypt again. They already fought Lebanon in the 1980's and didnt do the expulsion then. - WJones
Herzl's plan was to deny them jobs and get them to leave that way. - WJones
This seems to be what they do- deny them opportunities to stay and get along. - WJones
W. Jones - you better believe that day and night the brilliant Jewish minds of israel - and not too few outside - are trying to figure out a way in which they could "get rid" of the Palestinians. They don't yet have an answer, but like Sean says, they are waiting for an opportunity. The shocking thing is that most israelis (say, 80%, to be generous?) would find a way to sleep OK if all... more... - Danaa
What's stopping it all? actually, believe it or not, it is partly the American Jews. The majority of whom, including those who care little about I/P just are not ready to stomach a real genocide or even a serious exile. The American jews, unlike the israelis, will NOT be able to get a good night sleep, while their bretherns do the evil deeds. That, you might say, is the positive role... more... - Danaa
But that's only now. Tomorrow, who knows? and therein lies the trouble. I believe that's why the shenanigans of humanitarian intervention a-la-Syria and Libya play such an important role. they serve to split that progressive gatekeeping community. Ukraine too. Throw a stink bomb right in the midst of this crowd - have them turn on each other. isn't that what happened on MW when the... more... - Danaa
OK, I am not saying that it's ONLY "progressive" jews that are preventing israel from doing ewhat it so desires to do. There are the Christian denominations, and the real humanists, jewish and not, around the world. Trouble is, to israel, it is only the Jews that count. And you better believe that too. There's hardly a universal bone to be found in the entirety of the Holy land among the so-called chosen. - Danaa
And speaking of "chosen", I have it on good authority that 'choseness' has been kind of redefined by them that chose in the first place. All myths have an expiration date and the stamp for this one is drawing near.... - Danaa
"They don't yet have an answer, but like Sean says, they are waiting for an opportunity. The shocking thing is that most israelis (say, 80%, to be generous?) would find a way to sleep OK if all the palestinians somehow disappeared tomorrow."..."As long as there are enough jewish Americans who won't be able to sleep on genocide, Israel will not be able to proceed as it wishes." Wishful... more... - pepsi
If America's Jews didn't support genocide of palestinians and arabs generally, the mondojews wouldn't be silent on Syria, Ukraine, and the obvious plan to cleanse the west bank as soon as a war can be started with iran. Lebanon will get genocided too, and the strong majority of us jews knows all of this when they demonize iran like jon stewart does regularly. - pepsi
When Leb 06 and Cast Lead 08 were going down, most american jews were in Kahane mode. Facts were details to be twisted to support the mass murder. Same thing when they framed assad for the gas attack in syria last fall, and the millions of syrian, iraqi, and palestinian refugees. America's jews overwhelmingly couldn't care less, at best, and mostly relish this 20 year ongoing genocide, which Danaa likes to pretend are separate 'wars'. - pepsi
And probably the real reason most american jews support toppling Iran, Russia, and Ukraine is because those places were/are no longer controlled by Jews. The same overwhelming majority that thinks jewish rule of the US and the media are good things, also resents that Putin and the Iranians are bastards for limiting the jewish power over those countries. The Shah's secret police were trained by mossad, after all. - pepsi
The Iranian people and government have not abandoned the Palestinians, and are paying the price for it. Last summer the American Iranian Council hosted an event in NYC. Among others, former ambassador Robert Hunter spoke, and said that "Iran should get over its Israel thing; they don't care about the Palestinians, they should just stay out of it." - ChasMark
The predominantly Iranian-American audience was unambiguous and highly assertive in contradicting Hunter's poorly thought out declamations. An Iranian-American professor at a university in Connecticut summarized the consensus view: Israel is abusing Palestinians and Muslims; Iranians find that behavior intolerable. Among the factors that Iranians protested as early as 1973 and thru 1978 was the treatment of Palestinian Muslims and the failure of the Shah to speak out on their behalf. - ChasMark
Iraq paid the price for supporting palestine as well. 1.5 million+ dead, and millions of refugees. - pepsi
the ottoman empire paid the price for supporting palestine 100 years ago. The jewish led and financed young turks genocided the armenian christians to empower the court jews. - pepsi
how do you know the young turks were Jewish? At least, the people who did the killing were generally not Jewish. - WJones
Pepsi, I'm afraid you didn't quite get my point, which was about a subset of American jews, ie, those that consider themselves "progressives" AND voice opinions on matters of foreign policy and I/P. All I said is that their opinions and positions do matter to israel, if only because Israeli powers understand the influence members of this group have within the Democrat American... more... - Danaa
IMO, pepsi you are generalizing to the point that can only lead to a complete paralysis of action. Personally I have no interest in defending Jews as a class or feeding them to the wolves. But I do have great interest in seeing more voices speak out against evil carried out and still greater evil planned. So, Democracy Now cannot go everywhere (like 9/11 or 7/7) and remain on the air.... more... - Danaa
As you can see Pepsi, your direction and mine, are kind of on different plains. You spend much time parsing blame for malfeasance (of which there is plenty) and fortelling repercussions. I look at the tactics and strategies Israel is likely to employ - along with its like-minded tribal enablers, of left and right - in the hope that some of those could at least be blunted or delayed by... more... - Danaa
Danaa, you still think it is okay for Chomsky to say it doesn't matter if 911 was an inside/outside job. And then you pretend to want to minimize and delay the next one. You like to bs and wring your fingers, but you still have some massive red lines that are more important to you than seeing the world as it is. I can understand how depressing it all must be, but their are other things in the world that matter, like genocide and shock doctrine based world wars. - pepsi
The problem with you pepsi is that you care more about the "who done it" of 9/11 than about the fate of the palestinians, or for that matter, the fate of the Syrian people subjected now to destruction by the PTB of the US/Britain/French/Turkish/saudi Arabian axis of evil. Or the fate of the east Ukrainians, or that of the people subjected to torture and mayhem by an unholy combination... more... - Danaa
As for Chomsky - he may have said all kinds of things over the years, many of which I would no doubt not agree with. he may have been more of a liberal zionist than he admits and he may have tortured all kind of truths to make them yield something more to his liking. But he is over 80 years old now, and If I ever reach his age and find myself guilty of just one major fib or sidelining... more... - Danaa
It wouldn't occur to you to research what chomsky said about 911, how many times he said it, and with what sophisticated linguistic diabolicality. You come from the same sociopathic cult ideology as him, where all is forgiven for the right people. Choose your own reality and pretend there's nothing sociopathic about that. - pepsi
I bust you not really giving a shit about 9/11, and you cheaply and defensively and baselessly accuse me of not caring about the genocide in syria, iraq, and ukraine. Only in magical danaa land. - pepsi
Yes, Chomsky deserves credit for speaking out about Gaza. He is very outspoken on IP. But I question some of his positions, and Finkelstein said Chomsky is his main mentor. Finkelstein talks about how we must rally around International Law. International law says refugees get to return to their homes. But Chomsky and Finkelstein are against that. - WJones
Unfortunately, the world has seen psychopathic rulers like in Chile, Indonesia, Germany, and 1918 Turkey who do not care much about what other rulers or other countries' publics think. Turkey has a really hard time recognizing the Armenian genocide, and I am sure that most Germans would not have supported genocide. It of course helps tremendously the more that Americans and American Jews are opposed to ethnic cleansing. - WJones
Finkelstein's blueprint for success is retarded, no offense to retards. He says that we should not look for the Palestinian solidarity to be a main force, equality can only happen if Palestinians lead the way. Excuse me, but is that the attitude we have toward prison reform? That prisoners must be the main force of resistance if they are to be treated like people with basic rights? - WJones
Hello, Pepsi. You said to Danaa: " You come from the same sociopathic cult ideology as him." Please give her break. Thanks. - WJones
Not sure why you are tearing into Danaa, Pepsi. She isn't Chomsky and she doesn't admire him like say Keith of whomever. This last Finklestein thing made me really sick. What the fuck is wrong with this guy to say these things about BDS? I feel like all the decades he was making noise and drawing attention in the USA to the conflict, and now he is shitting on a plan that would work that... more... - Chu_
Finkelstein said that after no longer being a Maoist, he turned to Chomsky. It's cool if you are talking about SE Asia or South America, bu Chomsky has a bias, he admits he may have, about he Holy Land. - WJones
I am appalled by the attacks on Danaa but I am staying out of it this time around -- previously Danaa has expressed the view that I have been exaggerating the degree of antisemitism and Judeophobia in some sectors of the anti-Zionist camp. Ok. - Sean McBride
Danaa, you understand that Israel did 9/11, correct? - JustTheFactsPlease
There is no firm proof that Israel was involved in 9/11 -- only circumstantial evidence and speculation. In the cases of Watergate and Iran-Contra we had concrete and solid evidence. In any case, there is no way that Israel could have participated in a 9/11 false flag op without the full cooperation of powerful factions within the American government that are dominated by non-Jews. - Sean McBride
So its the fault of the goyim that Israel did 9/11, gotcha - JustTheFactsPlease
We still don't know who was behind 9/11 -- it's shrouded behind an iron wall of obfuscation. - Sean McBride
All the evidence available points to Israel, fact. - JustTheFactsPlease
The *circumstantial* evidence points in numerous directions -- including towards Saudi Arabia. - Sean McBride
I respect Alan Sabrosky, but there is no concrete proof or evidence in that article to support the claim that Israel was behind 9/11, either as the sole actor or as a team player. He is speculating -- and speculations can be dangerous when pushed forward without sufficient grounding in the real world. The circumstantial evidence pointing to Saudi Arabia as the culprit is at least as strong as that pointing to Israel or the American military-industrial-intelligence complex. - Sean McBride
One good guess? 9/11 was a neocon op involving elements of the American, Israeli, Saudi and British governments -- but that is still just a guess, not a nailed-down case. - Sean McBride
"The circumstantial evidence pointing to Saudi Arabia as the culprit is at least as strong as that pointing to Israel " List it - JustTheFactsPlease
nope, i want a McBride style list - JustTheFactsPlease
All the info you need is available in the top 100 hits for that search -- explore on your own. I am working on other matters at the moment. - Sean McBride
McBride is a just a common man, workin hard with his hands, he's AMERICAN DREAM! - JustTheFactsPlease
"After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors. But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals. It was kept secret and remains so today. President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of... more... - Sean McBride
28 censored pages weigh more than the combined mass of the five dancing Israelis, surely.... - JustTheFactsPlease
*Smart* people look at *all* the data and try to figure out how it fits together. They don't pick and choose among the data or try to jam it into a predefined conspiracy theory. Perhaps Dusty Rhodes hasn't instructed you in these basic truth-seeking methods. - Sean McBride
"The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in... more... - Sean McBride
I have wined and dined with kings and queens and I’ve slept in alleys and dined on pork and beans, but I must admit that I am having a hard time seeing how the Saudis look to be implictaed MORE than the Israelis, given the available evidence. - JustTheFactsPlease
We don't know the more or less yet -- not enough data. But we have good reason to suspect that multiple high-level players were involved. - Sean McBride
Admit it, you've been watching wrestling clips on youtube the last few days - JustTheFactsPlease
"LOS ANGELES: Saudi consulate official Fahad al-Thumairy allegedly arranged for an advance team to receive two of the Saudi hijackers — Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — as they arrived at LAX in 2000. One of the advance men, Omar al-Bayoumi, a suspected Saudi intelligence agent, left the LA consulate and met the hijackers at a local restaurant. (Bayoumi left the United States two months before the attacks, while Thumairy was deported back to Saudi Arabia after 9/11.)" - Sean McBride
"SAN DIEGO: Bayoumi and another suspected Saudi agent, Osama Bassnan, set up essentially a forward operating base in San Diego for the hijackers after leaving LA. They were provided rooms, rent and phones, as well as private meetings with an American al Qaeda cleric who would later become notorious, Anwar al-Awlaki, at a Saudi-funded mosque he ran in a nearby suburb. They were also feted at a welcoming party. (Bassnan also fled the United States just before the attacks.)" - Sean McBride
"WASHINGTON: Then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar and his wife sent checks totaling some $130,000 to Bassnan while he was handling the hijackers. Though the Bandars claim the checks were “welfare” for Bassnan’s supposedly ill wife, the money nonetheless made its way into the hijackers’ hands." - Sean McBride
What does Alan Sabrosky have to say about these facts? - Sean McBride
"they needed local help within America (and perhaps elsewhere) and they had it, principally from some alumni of PNAC (the misnamed Project for a New American Century) and their affiliates within and outside of the US Government (USG), who in the 9/11 attacks got the “catalytic event” they needed and craved to take the US to war on Israel’s behalf, only eight months after coming into office." - JustTheFactsPlease
Haven't seen anything new from him since last september, I will do a more thorough search later. You keep on keepin on with that common man boogie daddy - JustTheFactsPlease
Bottom line on my best guess: there is a better than even chance that 9/11 was a neocon op that involved factions within multiple governments. But I can't go beyond that speculation based on the current available information. About the 9/11 anthrax attacks, I don't have the slightest doubt: they were a false flag op. - Sean McBride
Glad you brought up the anthrax attacks, Sean. Those were so totally obviously a false flag, yet, for some strange reason the 9/11 people seem to ignore it. Why? may be biological mysteries are less intriguing than missiles and bombs? or may be it's too much of a foregone conclusion to give enough material? or may be just not enough people died and some were "just" postal workers? - Danaa
Also, I agree that whatever went down on 9/11 would have required multiple agencies to co-operate. Israel (mossad) would be just one. They would however have to have had logistics and tactical support by an American agency or two. Which could be rogue cliques in the CIA/FBI, among others, supported/aided by the Cheney office. Plus, of course, Saudi Arabia for providing the terrorists... more... - Danaa
Naturally, my interests would be unsatisfactory for pepsi and the like. For whom the "Israel done it" is enough. For me it's no more enough than saying that Mossad was involved in the kennedy assassination (which I believe it was). But the emphasis is on "involved" and "More than one agency", in which case, the "how could they pull it off" becomes the overriding question. - Danaa
Where i come up against the largest obstacle - the US military. If we, out in the world, speculate, so do they. Possible for some or another military agency to have been involved but they couldn't possibly swear all the branches into silence. I am quite certain there are many military people speculating and wondering and likely asking questions. But I'm having serious issues figuring... more... - Danaa
There, I divided my original lengthy comment into two parts. just to make you happy Sean :) - Danaa
Danaa -- our thinking seems to be in sync on this issue. I agree that if there was an insider plot, only very few people (from multiple nations) were in on it. As to why so many high-level patriots have remained silent on the controversy (many haven't, by the way), one assumes that the conspirators are so powerful that they could destroy the lives of troublemakers -- cut them down the moment they raised their heads. - Sean McBride
People who push this controversy into "the Jews did it" meme -- completely off their rockers. Much worse than charging that "the Jews" were behind the Iraq War. Unhinged. - Sean McBride
When it comes to conspiracy speculations, my approach is relatively simple - once the Qui Bono allows whittling down of the perpetrators to just a few key players, then it's all about the ability to execute, the complexity of the job and the power to provide effective post-operation cover-up. Which almost invariably requires multiple players, all acting in unison. So, for example, the... more... - Danaa
So, now we have a whole new major conspiracy tale unfolding: MH370. Alas, here we still have not a clue about the Qui Bono. Another one: hastings' auto "accident". My gut tells me he was done away with. In which case the interesting part is why have the conspiracy buffs been so quiet about this lately? it is this kind of silence that makes me wonder sometimes about who some of those on-line conspiracy buffs really are. - Danaa
Danaa, you admit the obvious that jews control our media, and then you ask why goy whistleblowers havent come forward, lol. Too cute. - pepsi
And if a handful of goyim assisted in 9/11, you jump at the chance to describe it as really complicated and complex, just like a zio talking about the latest ritual mass murder in khazarstan. - pepsi
Jews are the biggest opponents of conspiracy theories whenever they dominate a country. Nobody wants to give up the jewish vice-grip on our media and 'democracy'. Ask a thousand jews about 911, and 950+ will tell you the official zelikow prewritten narrative is legit. - pepsi
the plot was underway as far back as the late 70s, danaa, with the founding of the jonathan (netanyahu) institute. Research it. Hw bush brought the neos into power in 1980, and the jewish mafia replaced bush with clinton in 92, and two months later we got the 93 wtc bombing, with jews and helper goys in all key positions of power. - pepsi
louis freh, fbi director. Albright, secstate. Cohen secdefense. Martin indyck, rahm emanuel, dennis ross, 911 commission co-author jamie gorelick, aka the mistress of disaster, sandy berger, on and on it goes, and that was just the clinton white house, before zelikow led the bush transition 8 months before 9/11. - pepsi
the next thing you'll be telling us is that saudi controls israel, and the jewish media monopoly in the us is really working for the saudis. Anything to spread the blame around, and to run interference for chomsky and greenwald and mondoweiss and all the other gatekeeper heroes of yours who run interference for jewish power and jewish tribal warfare. - pepsi
checkmate, sean and danaa. You lose again. http://theinfounderground.com/smf... - pepsi
As usual, pepsi, you don't get my point. I didn't ask about the players. I asked about how the play was executed. You tell me (and no, planning from 70's won't help a bit in figuring out how exactly it was pulled off, who needed to be in the know, what the logistics might have been, etc etc. I want to have an idea of the plan on the days and weeks before the attack - not the years of... more... - Danaa
This is not a a "game" for me, pepsi, though may be it is for you. It's a matter of life and death. You may not care about the many dead on that day, but may be some of us do. As we do about the Anthrax victims, a plot which really does point to a conspiracy and which, for some reason you don't want to touch. What, not exciting enough for you? biological warfare not your gig? - Danaa
In case you didn't notice, I care about tactics more than grand geo-political alignments. I am too limited to comment knowledgeably enough on those so a certain refrain may be the better part of valor. - Danaa
I do find it kind of funny that you'd bring up Rahm emanuel and Indik. What, did they train the saudi hijackers? did they provide funding and back-up support? safe houses? what exactly was Emanuel's role on 9/11? sit on a deck for a suntan? please give me instead the names of the military commanders that HAD to be in the know to pull it off, and the units that would need to be informed.... more... - Danaa
pepsi -- I carefully sifted through all this material years ago -- there is not a single concrete fact or solid piece of evidence here that proves that Israel was the mastermind of 9/11 -- just sloppy speculations and wild allegations. You really need to up your truth standards if you want to play with the big boys. - Sean McBride
By the way, I was one of the very first people on the Internet to wonder if Mossad might be involved in 9/11 -- you can look it up (it was published on Rense.com) -- but wondering is one thing, coming to certain and strident conclusions quite another. The Saudi angle on 9/11 has been looking especially promising over the last year or two -- that might be the best line of attack to blow the case open. - Sean McBride
Not Jews: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, John Ashcroft, George Tenet, Tom Ridge, Robert Gates, George Schultz, etc. Perhaps you dismiss them all as dumb goyim who had no idea about what was going on right under their noses. And what about JCS (the Joint Chiefs of Staff) -- it's not exactly a Jewish club. - Sean McBride
Danaa, still with the cheapshots, and the subect change. Of course i care about the anthrax, and the biologicals that will be released on the nazi goyim as soon as we stop serving israel. This is why 911 and holocaust truth are so important. But 99% of jews are appointed or selfappointed gatekeepers for hebrew nation international. Help us goyim fight the good fight, and leave chomsky, greenwald and the other tribal warriors in your past. - pepsi
Here is a homework exercise for you, Pepsi - the military, for the most part is non-Jewish - at every level - from high to low. Jewish americans do not serve in the military in any substantial numbers. Yet, there HAD to be military participation in the plot somehow. Much was made for example of those jets that were not scrambled on time. So why would any military man, non-Jewish most... more... - Danaa
Note carefully: I am not ruling out the possibility that a faction in Israel may have been involved in 9/11 -- in fact, I stated that I think there is a greater than even chance that 9/11 was a neocon op. But I am not leaping to certain conclusions without solid evidence. - Sean McBride
Sean, I agree about the Saudi angle being a promising one. Though if it is, surely the PTBs can't afford to let it out into the open. I do, BTW< believe that with the saudis in, the mossad involvement is not far behind. In fact, it should be in tandem. - Danaa
yeah, in tandem. With the jews leading the way, as always. - pepsi
Danaa -- I think the PTB are obstructing an honest investigation into the Saudi angle on 9/11 not to protect the Saudis -- but to conceal the involvement of other players. Once the cover-up begins to unravel, everything will come out. - Sean McBride
Also, I do have a vaguish idea of how 9/11 could have been pulled of, with minimal collateral involvement by those who could not be trusted to keep a secret. That's why I keep bringing up the London 7/7 - that's what gave me some ideas. My own interests remain, as always, tactical and strategic. I live the geo-political conflagrations to others with more expertise than myself.... more... - Danaa
Danaa, read my link in the checkmate post above. - pepsi
Well, Sean, we kind of agree on that. The Saudis is what will lead to the others. So now, pretend to be a PTB member-in-good-standing for a second. What will they be willing to do to prevent this thread from unraveling? who will have to be sacrificed? - Danaa
OOps, not to disappoint you humans 9assuming you are) but I got some kitties that are calling to be attended to. Sorry, first things first... - Danaa
Phillip Zelikow was in charge of the counter-terrorism aspects of the bush transition team. He set it all up, making sure plotters were in every key position to make 911 happen. He was the 911 Commission Director Danaa!! He prewrote the 911 report and never changed a thing. He also wrote the Bush Doctrine, which was Clean Break/pnac reworded. - pepsi
Danaa -- like you, I think it's all about the *operational details*. But the US government has prevented the 9/11 "masterminds" from testifying about what precisely those details are. Highly suspicious. Few Americans seem to have noticed that there has been no satisfactory resolution to this case. - Sean McBride
Rumsfeld, Wolfie, and Feith were the top 3 command of the pentagon. Jews don't serve in the military, but they sure are well represented in civilian leadership of pentagon. And Michael Chertoff was Assistant Attorney General in charge of enforcement, which put him above even the fbi director and allowed everything to be covered up in colab with the media cabal. - pepsi
Do you really think that Philip Zelikow could operate independently from the US military-industrial-intelligence complex in the engineering of a direct attack on Manhattan? That is a preposterous scenario -- it doesn't pass the smell test. - Sean McBride
Rumsfeld is not Jewish -- and he was in charge of the Defense Department. - Sean McBride
"Few Americans seem to have noticed that there has been no satisfactory resolution to this case. - Sean McJew" ... Bullshit sean. It just doesnt get reported by the cabal, which every single jewish media personality seems to serve when it comes to 911. Jews couldnt possibly be this stupid and uncritical, unless it was good for Hebrew Nation. - pepsi
McJew, you don't pass the smell test. Another gatekeeper. Self appointed. - pepsi
Rummy, Cheney, and a small number of other shabbas goyim sold out their country for a few pieces of silver. - pepsi
lucky larry was on the phone with netanyahu every single sunday. - pepsi
pepsi -- if you want to continue to post in this group, you will need to expunge all the abusive language from your posts and write like a civil and rational adult. You come across as someone who is perpetually on the verge of going postal -- that style of communication is not conducive to useful discussions. You have your own group, so no one is denying you your right of free speech. - Sean McBride
Once again, in these last comments of yours there is not a single fact or piece of evidence that proves that Israel was behind 9/11. Your brain is much too overheated and inflamed by your congenital hatred of Jews to think clearly about any issue. - Sean McBride
Okay sean, keep playing dumb in your truthful seach for real truth seeking and the prophetic. And danaa can feed the cats and read her chomsky. Then she can head over to the intercept, lol, and then get a ukraine update from mondoweiss and call it a night. - pepsi
danaa doesnt even know about wtc7 or the israeli 'art students' handling the 'hijackers' all across the country. She doesn't know about the dancing israelis or the 150+ israeli spies rounded up just before and after 911, and released by israeli michael chertoff. - pepsi
I was on top of all that info while it was being released. You are still left with the problem of explaining why the US government, which is largely controlled by non-Jews and non-Israelis, would let all this pass without notice or objection. - Sean McBride
keep playing dumb McJew. - pepsi
What is your explanation? Spell it out. - Sean McBride
Pepsi couldn't stop using abusive language -- he will have to develop his ideas about 9/11 in his own group. I made my best effort to accommodate him, but no go. - Sean McBride
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Why is the US government trying to cover up the Saudi role in 9/11? - Sean McBride
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