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Re: Working on new editorial tools. (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"For one thing, an archive. I want the benefits of being able to scatter stuff all over the place *and* the benefits of having it all being in one place. Also needed to synch up editorial tools, if I move from my desktop to my netbook or laptop or whatever. There has to be a single place where my work environment lives. But the archive is the most important thing."
- Dave Winer
Looking for a netbook. And if any of you tell me to wait for the Apple tablet, the answer is NO THANKS. #GettingSickOfApple
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ASUS Eee PC 1005HA is one of the best these days, with over 10 hours of battery life http://bit.ly/2gGqX
- Nir Ben Yona
Agree with Nir Ben on this one. Don't get sold on a CULV laptop (more than a netbook with larger screen). Small size is easier to take with you.f
- JR Holmes
The Nokia is sooo pretty though. As is the Vaio. But 10hour battery life is pretty sweet.
- Mona Nomura
The Nokia isn't out yet and boy, its price is so disproportional (700 Euros for a netbook?).
- Nir Ben Yona
Just got one of these, my fourth netbook. It's lovely. Nicest so far. http://www.amazon.com/gp...
- Dave Winer
Dave, why do you have so many netbooks...if you don't mind me inquiring.
- Mona Nomura
Because he's DAVE WINER! Sheesh. :D
- Internet's Tad
Lindsay has a super cute black Asus Eee that she totally loves.
- Internet's Tad
Ya I'm using this EeePC that is small and black. Super cute. I don't even know the model number.
- Mona Nomura
Another vote for EeePc. Mine is blue.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Ya - I have three browsers and Digsby running. Still no lags / problems.
- Mona Nomura
I dunno if they do it in the US, but here in the UK there are mobile operators that offer a netbook with a USB 3G dongle and contract (so you're paying for the netbook over the course of your contract). Giving you a netbook *and* a means of connecting to the net anywhere.
- alphaxion
Yaarrr... If ye can be getting a Dell Mini 9, ye can hackintosh it to run both Windows 7 and Mac OS... so ye have a choice... YAARRRRR
- Johnny Worthington
Hahahahhaha it's your day, Johnny!
- Mona Nomura
Yaarrrr
- Johnny Worthington
I'd go with the Asus 1005HA, Samsung NC10, or Toshiba Mini NB205
- Rodfather
Rodfather :) I'm trying to figure out which Eee PC this is. Do I have to take out the battery? #flashbacks *edit: it's a 1008HA. Super cute.
- Mona Nomura
Mine is the Asus 1005HA as has been recommended and I LOVE it. http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...
- Her Lindsay-ness
The 1008HA is the seashell with the non-removable battery. The 1005HA is basically the same with a removable battery.
- Rodfather
It really does last a freaking long time on the battery. I have been very pleased with mine.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Am I going to need to take out the battery? Lindsay - I love it so far...it's mainly for email and browsing so I'm not even worried it's XP. Though I am very very VERY drawn to the Vaio P
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Well, the 1008HA has a 6 hour battery life vs 10.5 hrs on the 1005HA. It is sleek and pretty though. The Sony is too expensive for what you get compared to the others. They are all basically the same when it comes down to it. I'm really happy with Asus' build quality. They make rock solid netbooks.
- Rodfather
Which one do you have Rodfather?
- Mona Nomura
I'm using an Asus 1000H. It's 1 year 2 days old now :). I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and harddrive to 320GB the day I got it. I love it. I use it everyday and it's my main computer.
- Rodfather
That's awesome - I think I'm going back to a Windows machine, too. Getting a little sick of Macs.
- Mona Nomura
We have some Toshiba netbooks at school (not sure of the model) they run okay and the battery life is excellent.
- Bryce Roney
Either the Eee 1000 series or a Lenovo S10. I'm partial to the S10's myself but the Eee is widely used so you're more likely to find support for it.
- EricaJoy
I have not had to take out the battery, though I admit that I haven't tried to use it for 10 straight hours either... but I think it would last that long if I tried. I have not had any issues with it so far. It's great for checking email and browsing, especially at places I don't want to take a big laptop, like coffee shops or... Gnomedex... Oh, and we upgraded the RAM on mine when we got it too...
- Her Lindsay-ness
Ya I think I might upgrade the RAM too...but so far so good. Actually, Chrome runs faster on here than on my Macbook (which has 4gigs of RAM LOL)
- Mona Nomura
I'm probably going to wait until Windows 7 is preinstalled on netbooks before grabbing another. The performance is probably better with XP, but I'm ready for Windows 7, and would rather have preinstalled drivers than worry about upgrading. Plus, I want to see if there's any good convertible tablet netbooks coming with Windows 7. Hopefully the Asus T101 will be good if it comes out.
- Rodfather
That is totally what I was waiting for too (preinstalled Win7) but man, I'm getting tired of lugging monstrous laptops around. Can't wait until Office goes online!
- Mona Nomura
Actually right now, I'm keeping my eye on the Lenovo x200 tablet. It's pricey, but still fairly small with a 12" screen. It has both an active digitizer and multitouch capacitive screen. There's an option for a bright outdoor viewable screen too.
- Rodfather
Samsung N120 -- comfortable keyboard, sturdy construction, better than average speakers... Will snatch up the Samsung N510 when it comes to market. Laptops are gone for good in my world.
- Sean McBride
Sean - Samsung...really? I've had really bad experiences with Samsung devices so I tend to stay away (especially cell phones). I dunno about tablets...still on the fence. (more to do with usability and practicality)
- Mona Nomura
I think you would be happy with any of the recommended netbooks. Cheap, light, and great battery life. It's been the best bang for the buck device I've had ever. It's provided so much value for so little money.
- Rodfather
I'm actually really digging the Eee 1008HA. Netbooks are such a steal and Chrome seriously runs faster on this.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Wait for the Apple tablet.
- Louis Gray
No i think you should not wait for Apple, because, naturally, apple netbook will be very expensive and it is not logical for me. I think nowadays, Asus Eee Pc 1101HA seems good- http://bit.ly/CNiyu - http://www.amazon.com/gp...
- Mehmet Ali Akyol
+1 on the Apple tablet (if it ever happens) being too expensive.
- EricaJoy
Ya - it'll just be an oversized iPhone. read: battery suck.
- Mona Nomura
Over 80 reviews of the Samsung N120 here, mostly positive: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung... Usually it's a good idea to visit a local Best Buy, Staples or whatever to physically interact with these machines, hands on, before deciding.
- Sean McBride
Really? I'd be surprised if Fry's didn't have a good selection of netbooks. Mona, there's a Fry's in Renton.
- Rochelle
I'm sticking with the Eee 1008HA until a netbook with Win7 preloaded comes out. I've been on it all day and I really like it - only issue is I have to use Firefox or IE to post stuff to FriendFeed / Facebook, etc. GoogleReader looks kinda funky in Chrome.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I don't think I'd invest in Lenovo or Samsung... :( And Rodfather? The Lenovo tablet is omg expensive.
- Mona Nomura
That's a shame. I did. :) I loves it. http://lh3.ggpht.com/_W6mjt7...
- EricaJoy
Yep, the x200 isn't cheap.
- Rodfather
I still have my Eee 1000HD, so I would vouch for anything along that line. I would recommend the Acer Aspire One, but I'm not a big fan of the Atom processor.
- Helen Sventitsky
Samsung is selling a lot of netbooks: "Samsung Electronics is expected to surpass Asustek Computer and Hewlett-Packard (HP) to become the second largest netbook player in Europe in the third quarter of 2009, trailing only Acer, according to Taiwan-based makers." (Honest -- I'm not a paid Samsung representative. :) I'm just impressed by their netbook technology, and think that netbooks in general are going to be huge, huge, huge... Ubiquitous)
- Sean McBride
Don't worry too much about which netbook you buy today -- it will be outdated in a few months, and it will be inexpensive to replace it. This technology is going to evolve very rapidly for the foreseeable future -- there is a massive convergence from every angle on this form factor and platform.
- Sean McBride
I'm in love with the 1008HA - seriously snappy and perfect for browsing needs. Now all I need is MS Office to go online (Cloud or whatever). Can't WAIT to rid all my bulkier laptops!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I'm not doing anything until Windows 7 comes out.
- John E. Bredehoft
Actually, I'm on XP Home and it's fine. Though I'm not going to lie, once a preloaded Asus with Win7 comes out, I am straight on. it.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
If you want Snow Leopard, Dell Mini 10v works brilliantly (using it to post this). Nice size keyboard, too. Battery life is only so-so.
- Jan Ole Peek
Thank you for the info but there is no way I will Hackintosh a netbook. OS X is not fit for the form factor. : )
- Mona Nomura
from IM
im drooling over the asus eee and dell mini, trying to hold out for one with nvidia 3d accel or dual core cpu
- Mike Chelen
Nvidia 3D Accel or Dual Core CPU + 4gig ram + Win7 in Eee 1008HA form factor = dream Netbook. I'm looking into RAM upgrades but it sounds like a total hassle. Bummer.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
upgrading the ram shouldn't be too difficult on the mini-9 at least http://www.laptopmag.com/advice... though 2gb is the max
- Mike Chelen
LOL Mona! My "computer name" is Asus EEE Pc 1008HA - It's very nice, but it really would benefit from at least 2G mem. I'm srsly pushing it at 1G.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Whoa this thread turned bigger. Anyway, I run Windows 7 on my Asus N10 with 2GB of RAM and it works awesome. Asus did great when added a small shutter at the back with direct access to both hard drive and memory parts, so replacing them is just a matter of minutes.
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm planning on getting an Acer 1410 in October unless a better alternative comes along. (I won't need one till Nov.) It's because I want full-screen video without hiccups. I hear it can't do full screen Flash video smoothly until Adobe finally rolls out GPU-accelerated video. Still, for the time frame I'm looking at, and for my needs (I don't need long battery life, but do want an 11.6" screen, full-sized keyboard, 3 lb or lighter weight), I think it fits nearly perfectly.
- Andrew C
I have a Dell Mini 9 and I'm pretty content with it. There are other options for the same price with bigger HD's, but you need to know if you actually need one. If you don't, I recommend Mini9. <3
- Olivia Lovag
You have low-tier (< 300$) or High Tier (>600$) don't choose anything in the middle.
- anaborg
No, I'm with you @angry. We bought a Lenovo S10 for my daughter. While it is nice, it's nearly impossible for me to type on it. And the 10 inch screen is too small for my aging eyes.
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Have you actually tried using the latest generation of netbooks? For most apps that most people use, they are adequately powered and the display is readable. It is easy to boost the font size on smartphones, not to mention netbooks (I read ebooks on my smartphone comfortably). Laptops look like clumsy dinosaurs to me now. I will never purchase or use another laptop.
- Sean McBride
Back Nir Ben's suggestion. Up the memory to 2gb though and buy an external Bluetooth mouse. The only bad thing about the 1005HA is the mouse on it.
- CW™
I love my Acer Aspire
- Brian Appleby
Four useful feeds for tracking netbook developments: 1. Amazon Netbook Bestsellers http://www.amazon.com/gp... 2. Liliputing http://www.liliputing.com 3. MyNetbookWorld http://www.mynetbookworld.com 4. Netbook Updates http://netbookupdates.com
- Sean McBride
And Netbook Ratings http://www.netbookcrunch.com/ratings... is indispensable for detailed netbook spec comparisons.
- Sean McBride
Wow everyone, thanks so much for all the helpful advice. I need to bookmark this thread. Y'all rule. Liliputing, huh? Never heard of it...lame. Btw Reeeechard, I def. agree. This guy (1008HA) can use another gig of RAM.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Liliputing is also my favorite feed for netbook developments. :) (And I read it in Feedly.)
- Sean McBride
A Friendfeed discussion about the future of netbooks here: https://friendfeed.com/seanmcb...
- Sean McBride
As for netbook focused FF'ers, hit up Sascha (http://friendfeed.com/saschap...) and (JKK http://friendfeed.com/jkkmobi...). I can't leave out Steve 'Chippy' Paine (http://friendfeed.com/chippy) of UMPCPortal (http://www.umpcportal.com/)
- Rodfather
I read JK on the run - Kevin Tofel is one of my favorite gadget writers!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
This is JKK (http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/) , not JK (James Kendrick) ontherun, but ya, James and Kevin are great.
- Rodfather
Rodfather - oh, ok. Oops. Hey so this might be a general Windows thing but my screen has a blue hue to it. How do I fix this?
- Mona Nomura
Not sure what's going on there..
- Rodfather
Run like hell from any Sony note/netbook. I've had 3 and mother-in-law had 1 and they ALL had hard drive failures just out of warranty. This is over a 6 year period as recent as this year.
- Brad Nickel
Brad, we have an ongoing joke in Japan: "Sony Timer" - for all their products crap out RIGHT after the warranty expires.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Toshiba NB205 is a very worthy competitor to the recommended Asus 1005. I have both right now (own the Tosh, Asus is on loan) and they compete well. I like the massive trackpad on the Tosh though. :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
from iPhone
Brad, I've had the total opposite experience. I have had three Sony Vaios (upgrading, not replacing because of problems) with the first being in 2000 and the most recent was purchased less than a year ago. I've had nothing but great luck with them. In fact, I'm on one right now as it's my primary computer. Plus, it's PINK. :)
- Rochelle
Kevin - I've had nothing but good luck with Toshibas. My Satellite (super old) still works and runs like a dream. I would definitely invest in their netbook. : )
- Mona Nomura
from IM
It's absolutely amazing how well they engineer their timers. Brilliant! ;)
- Brad Nickel
from email
Good for you Rochelle. My own and other's experience has been much different. Sounds like you've been lucky and bought 3 without the "timers" see Mona's comment. ;)
- Brad Nickel
from email
It was actually a scandal in the early 90s (hold on, Googling now)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
There's a Wiki for it LOL http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki... (sorry - had to enable Japanese up on hurrr and took a while since I haven't been using Windows for so long lol)
- Mona Nomura
What about Apple's existing netbook, the MacBook Air? I owned one for a while but needed more of a workhorse. Still, that's one of the best notebooks ever made; exceptional construction, great performance, huge screen, full keyboard.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
Erica, Sony does have a netbook entry besides the Vaio P (if you can call the P a netbook), it's called the Vaio W http://bit.ly/2ddkJp
- Nir Ben Yona
my top 3 netbooks right now are (i reviewed around 150 different ones in the last 2 years) - Toshiba NB200, Samsung N150 and Eee PC 1005HA. I can really recommend all of them when you wanta good build quality, great keyboards and last but not least some 8-9 hours of batterylife.
- Sascha Pallenberg
you might also wanna wait until January when all the new Pine-Trail netbooks are available. Pretty much the same performance compared to the Intel Atom netbooks that are available right now but much more batterylife. Check out my youtube channel for my netbook reviews: http://www.youtube.com/minipcp...
- Sascha Pallenberg
Crapbook or netbook, same $279 price? Hmmm. CNET still doesn't have a clue. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
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Laptop any day. I've got fat fingers, and no use for a netbook.
- Will Higgins™
Bet my fingers are fatter. But I love to travel light, the lighter the better.
- Dave Winer
I don't like my MacBook weight/risk - I take my Acer Aspire One (UNR installed), hardly notice it in the bag.
- Ian Tindale
Acer Aspire One keyboard is fine. Some netbooks have too small a keyboard - you'd keep mistyping passwords.
- Ian Tindale
In my opinion a huge disruption is due when we shift from landscape, to portrait 'clipboard'-oriented devices
- Ian Tindale
*shrug* get both. That's a nice deal
- Rodfather
Real-time contest. Who is doing the geekiest thing right now? Answer on FriendFeed here:
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Following FF live feed :-)
- Bo Stern
I'm unboxing and reboxing an Atari 2600
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Converting some values on my HP-16C.
- LogEx
Setting up signatures in Thunderbird.
- John Fox
Trying to make a Google Latitude mashup - first attempt
- Pon
Watching old Dr Who on streaming Netflix.
- Michael Groner
Installing Windows 7 RTM in a virtual machine on my MacBook running Snow Leopard.
- BeauGiles
watching a twit-vid of @amandapalmer singing 'creep' with a ukelele on one screen whilst reading blogs in the other
- Rob Clark
running diff's on about 1.5 million rows of data and piping to another perl script for scrubbing
- Erik Boles
Reading @techcrunch post on iPhone Apps and downloading them. :)
- emon hassan
I am not geeky enough.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
watching old filmation cartoons on hulu. (more nerd than geek though)
- Jason Phillips
I'm working on my own development project management tool in Emacs, doing some documentation and cleaning up Emacs Lisp Code. http://github.com/Nafai77...
- Travis B. Hartwell
Erik wins so far!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Sharing a mash-up of Rick Astley ("never gonna give you up") and Nine Inch Nails ("The hand that feeds") with all my friends! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Alex Linebrink
Reading a Klingon blog - http://bologh.blogspot.com/
- Derrich
Q: How many of you are here on the East Coast? I'm in NY.
- emon hassan
Remoting into a computer that's less than ten feet away, because i can!
- Joshua Odneal
Watching old WWF Royal Rumble 1991 and playing club bing for prizes.
- David R
Derrich wins hands down
- Jodi Church
ironing work shirts - getting ready for work tomorrow *sigh* (ultra geeky ey!!)
- Mr K
Streaming old SNES Batman games, playing TF2, and listening to Twit.tv
- Carlton Prest
David R - Royal Rumble RAWKS!!!
- Erik Boles
Watching how the Earth was formed and reading Louis Gray's blog post about FriendFeed. Why am I not getting drunk at a strip bar?
- Stephen Pickering
Indexing mysql databases
- Mike
I thought my answer was good, but Derrich kills it.
- Michael Groner
watching buffy & angel, lmao
- Brendon Wadey
Stephen: then you could be 'On FriendFeed at a strip bar'!
- BeauGiles
Setting up my roommate's new Airport Express so he can use Airtunes, and potentially hack it to play Spotify over it as well.
- Daniel Zarick
Helping someone set up an IRC client.
- Danny Minick
I'm trying to get someone to shoot me a Google Voice invite, just because the geek in me wants to try it.
- Scott Voss
Dang, has Emacs and Lisp hacking lost its geek cred? :(
- Travis B. Hartwell
Agreed. Derrich is a uber geek.
- Fred
And with the iphone still geeking out!
- Stephen Pickering
Google Voice no longer uses invites, just from google directly
- David R
I am watching Fox News Channel. <--- WIN.
- Rob Sterling
@Travis Lisp never loses geek cred. As far as Emacs goes, I'm a vi guy. :)
- Michael Groner
TRAVIS -- not at all, I just like VIM over emacs, much more flexibility, but you be a geek my man, for shizzy
- Erik Boles
:)
- Travis B. Hartwell
getting hands on writing the Windows Sidebar gadget...
- esaarem
Defending Blue Bell ice cream and telling church jokes.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Learning and trying Slinkset ,listening to cafe del mar 5 :-)
- Johni Fisher
Editing pics on my iPhone and posting them to social sites.…plus checking FF
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
writing an iPhone app and listing to leo laporte
- Jeremy Lane
Discussing reference audio and A/V surround-sound set-ups with your brother.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Scoble: Whats the prize for this contest?
- David R
David, you get punched in the throat with a deflated football.
- Akiva Moskovitz
watching systm on how to build a combat robot
- Sean Montgomery
@David R: FriendFeed fridge magnet,
- Derrich
I'm watching Youtube videos on how to emulate Mac OS 9 on an Intel Mac, full screen so I can run old apps for old time's sake, while listening to Chris Pirillo talk about being a geek.
- Justin Lowery
ill take that magnet
- David R
watching Big Brother feeds. Jordan won HOH. Natalie still a nutjob.
- geoff hines
Playing World of Warcraft and watching FriendFeed's stream at the same time.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
rebooting PC after BSD
- Phani Raj Kuchibhotla
Making a map of a fictional city (in a fictional country) while listening to JoCo
- imperator3733
Installin Expression Bleand while listening to TWIT
- Rohit Harshvardhan
@SEAN M. - Watch the one on kegbot, pure awesomeness.
- Erik Boles
Playing Wow!
- Bill Skoros
installin uber twitter beta 4 on my BB 8900 from Mexico City! cheers
- Carlos
changing my friendfeed theme to custom
- thegeniusfiles
@Justin check out 'Classic on Intel (COI)' - have had luck with it in the past when trying to play SimTower!
- BeauGiles
EB: that's in the queue to be watched next...gotta start on step one of robot building
- Sean Montgomery
researching why the USS Voyager's warp nacelles fold up
- Justin Ruckman
first iteration done, more scrubbing to do, so more perl to write, maybe some awk, peace kids.
- Erik Boles
@BeauGiles I was looking into SheepSaver. I'll have to take a look at COI also…
- Justin Lowery
You're all *nuts* - it's Saturday night, and you (me too) are in front of the computer. <sigh> I'm reminded of my horrible high school art teacher who said artists never have "week-ends." Bastard. Damn fool was right. Substitute "geek" for "artist" and Bob's your uncle - or auntie, depending on how she swings.
- Yule Heibel
watching the syfy channel (alien agent), while surfing the internet and playing the enchanted ds game - half a level to go and i've beaten the game!
- ann glenn
Writing a fiction futuristic piece for my final in Tech in Society class. Cyborgs and robotic secretariats. My favorite line so far is when my main character tells his house bot to go screw a toaster.
- Kenny Rayl
@BeauGiles Oh duh, same thing. Looks like I just finished downloading it.
- Justin Lowery
This weekend geek: robot building...next weekend non geek: Vegas baby....
- Sean Montgomery
and i'm watching the very end of the Seahawks/Chargers pre-season game.
- geoff hines
David: prize? My undying respect!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Here you go, David R - http://bit.ly/a7eGF
- Derrich
• The Geekiest Thing? Well — I'm reading micro-blog posts from Robert Scoble! How can you possibly do anything geekier than that? ☺
- Richard Merritt
Reconfiguring MythTV on my HTPC.
- Edward Coffey
Reading FF instead of going to bed. Probably should be writing copy of some sort, but this is the time of night where I'll start to babble if I get sleepy.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Installing apps for the new 3Gs
- Denverken
Keeping up with this thread
- Reyna Carlos
Babbling in writing is just pathetic.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Checking Tweets while at GenCon - can'tget much geekier than that...
- Dean Browell
Go Denverken!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
I am watching Conan O'Brien on TiVo and Reading Scoble's FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Reyna Carlos wins
- Jeremy Lane
@Yule H. Having a lazy sunday afternoon over here in Australia - almost 3pm :)
- BeauGiles
Trying to get inspired to design a web site for a client so I can get my geek on. Instead, sitting here reading Robert Scoble's FriendFeed! Much more entertaining... :)
- Laura Zickus
digging deep into xml/css for start-up site... working on new web software that is like a next-generation friendfeed... grabbit.net
- Fred Davis
Building out the infrastructure to setup 500 live web cams across the US to let people like me and you report crimes on the street in real time! (2-5 second delay). Someone starts a fight, cops are called within 10 seconds. 500 cameras are going up by December. 10,000 more in 2010. Yes. it's effing hard!
- Adam Jackson
Using new de-soldering station to repair a bad MB to use in another dedicated system for climate prediction or seti@home...or some other grid computing project.
- Jimmy
On the loosers side: having a drink of JW Gold and reading this at an strippers bar while I wait for the next performance!
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
...actually, grabbit is really much more than just a next-generation friendfeed... but since that's one of the closest things so far, the comparisons are inevitable... even if they don't do grabbit justice ;-)
- Fred Davis
Did a brand new install of a family tree / genealogy web app, then imported the GEDCOM file from the previous install (which was an older version of the same app: http://www.phpgedview.net/ ). #ShinyNewVersion
- Micah Wittman
Tweeting back to @IvankaTrump about her Thunder Cats movie request [http://twitter.com/mjcarra...]
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Watching Season 4.5 of BSG
- lisa padilla
...usually I'm the geek of the week every week, so I hope someone is doing something nerdier than tweaking CSS style sheets! Especially on a saturday night! Sheesh! Good thing my GF (@lisapadilla) is a geeky girl, so she understands... in fact, she's nerding out on some grabbit stuff, too, right now ;-)
- Fred Davis
My God, Doc Searls was right, we're all living in Scoble's butt!
- Stephen Pickering
hehe, thx Mary Baum!, really love it so far
- Denverken
Was smoking a cigar, tweeting from iPod touch and thinking about buddha. Does that count? Or should I have also been coding in PHP & reading slashdot?
- Jerry Garcia
yes, Robert's friends all need to get a life! Ha!
- Fred Davis
Watching Android get ported onto an MID
- Netbooknews
watching a bad movie with about 15 other people on IRC.. movie is "Frankenstein Island"
- monkeystick
Lodging DMCA takedown against a scraper.
- Sheila Scarborough
I guess biting the head off of a chicken doesn't count for geeky any longer? Early last century it would have been a huge draw in Kansas.
- Jerry Garcia
I made a red necktie for my Brain (Pinky and the Brain) action figure. Now he's not only not naked, but looks even smarter.
- Fred Jones
Going thru 104 comments on this thread.
- Winston Teo
Shape Collaging FF followees http://friendfeed.com/glongma...
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Playing with TwitPaint and editing a video
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I was wondering why my Android phone couldn't find Jupiter on Skymap, when I knew exactly where it was
- Kevin Marks
reading scoble FF
- Ruchit Garg
hmm, watching two long running procs on vm's, running a couple rsyncs to a new terabyte server, monitoring FF/IRC/IM, farming on WoW, preparing two servers with NGINX and i'm always keeping an eye on munin/monit/screen sessions -- but that's not geeky really, just a normal weekend
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Checking frienfeed at a wedding while everone else is dancing
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Sean: thanks, I just wanted to see if something were happening on Twitter that wasn't here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'm writing blog posts in gmail and saving them under the label "Posterous Drafts". And something something circuit board something thermal something capacitor.
- Brett Kelly
zeroing the hard drive of an old G4 that's going to be recycled.
- David Newman
Writing a paper about Artificial Intelligence in Expert systems :D
- Yahya
playing with django framework
- vinod
playing with Facebook FBML and pages (and hating it)
- Keith - @tsudo
Just chilling with an ice cold Bud and listening to a live Jimmy Buffett concert online. And smiling reading all the posts.
- lily taylor
Sitting at the keyboard in my jammies and reading FF.
- Sandra Large
reading FF & shooting my duck hunt background (just 'cause); listening to music on blip.fm; picking out fall fashion (posting to delicio.us/polyvore/blogspot...) & texting my son. Not sure what I would do w/out connection =)
- Charl Pearce
Listening to Bob Seger, Janis Joplin and The Who on vinyl. Guess that would be contra geek?
- John Nissim
Doing open source development in C++.
- Dean Michael Berris
checking out laptops on pc mag. #
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
trying to set-up Streamy (the "new Friendfeed')
- Bill Powell
Reading friendfeed on one monitor with 50 tabs open and watching the Second Life Citizen's Convention live music stream in Second Life on the other monitor.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
LOl @Stephen P.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
to the wedding geek: sounds like sth. I'd be doing. lol
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Franc. I'm still reading this thread... Uber geek LOL
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Playing with Google Wave
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Upgrading my desktop computer to Windows 7
- RobinDotNet
Setting up a Linux server and giving it a static IP address, manually assigned DNS server settings, restarting the networking stack, and pinging the router on my local network all via the command line in the Terminal. Also doing a traceroute from this Linux server inside a virtual machine on my MacBook Pro to my website at www.thebrentcameron.com to see how many hops it takes and the time it takes for each of those hops. So do I win or what?
- Brent Cameron
My idea of optimizing Firefox is by uninstalling it.
- Alex Knight
running macros on my G15 to bulk process 500 kids soccer pictures, while browsing friendfeed, listening to techno on headphones while my son watches star wars episode IV
- Robert Higgins
Making my 4th LEGO city model of the day while watching 2 screens of FriendFeed (main feed + this thread). My wife is on Facebook on our hackint0shed netwbook while my 3 year old daughter plays games on the iPhone
- Johnny Worthington
Just got my new iPhone 3GS. Recorded video and uploaded to youtube http://youtube.com/bryansays then used qik app to upload video as well http://qik.com/bryansays then took a pic and uploaded to my blog via posterous. :)
- Bryan Lee
from iPhone
Watching Conan the Barbarian, quoting far too much of it, analyzing too much of it altogether (like did they get all of the out of work Star Trek (original show) musicians together to do the score? It's way too similar.)
- Lucretia Pruitt
Coding an iPhone application which connects to Facebook, Twitter, FriendFeed, and fetches RSS feeds off the web :)
- Fahim
I dont know if this comes under the "tech" category! I am currently thinking ;-) Thinking if the human mind is really an illusion!
- rampantheart
Taking some downtime from the SLCC as an opportunity to work on writing for my blog.
- Tim Maly
Figuring out if I can get android running on a dell axim.
- Jim Connolly
Scampering between sites/browser-tabs like a headless chicken is hardly geeky but that's what I've been doing this Sunday morning. Google Reader, Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter, Social Median, Lazy Feed, et. al.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Setting my Ruby on Rails environment up on my new Windows Laptop. I know it's the easiest platform to do it on, with InstantRails, but might install it on Linux, just for the crack :) And checking out the Mosso plans.
- Steve Farnworth
running a twitter experiment #chromeexperiment to see if I could actually replace firefox with chrome.
- Rohit
Writing a custom extension module for vTiger CRM which combines data from two other modules and working on my custom Layout Management & Authentication Libraries for the CodeIgniter MVC framework which I intend to release as open source when complete.
- Usman Bashir
Umm, searching for iPhone formatted porn. Does that count as geeky?
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
Making a few more custom buttons for firefox.
- April Russo (app103)
Answering stupid real-time contests on friendfeed.
- Ben Pashkoff
from twhirl
I am listening to Randal Schwartz and Leo Laporte interview Michael Foord about Iron Python.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
fighting the headache with some reader and friendfeed...and maybe twitter...maybe not
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Drinking my morning coffee.....
- Roberto Bonini
it's unlikely to be me - checking friendfeed while things compile (contributing to a linux distro this week), reading up on vtiger (coincidence? someone is vtigering above), and wondering what's for lunch
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Reading Robert's friendfeed updates IS the geekiest thing one can do ^^
- Paul Papadimitriou
from iPhone
And Coffee is the spring of all good ideas :) So it IS geeky :)
- Roberto Bonini
I'm out on this one. Relaxing 'computer off' Sunday planned with my wife :)
- Charlie Anzman
When this was posted? Sleeping. Hows that for geeky?
- DGentry
Joelle: It has to be coincidence what else can it be. :)
- Usman Bashir
changing the links under my flickr photos from my personal website to my twitter and facebook fan page. You've got to go where the traffic is! </geekiness>
- Edward Barnieh
Trying to use lynx to browse the web, most sites fail
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
reading all the comments above;p
- zʍıɔ
Editing videos from my holiday - not geeky enough - and 8 hours late for this post!
- Martin Bryant
We'll, when this was posted I was cutting some zzzs. Now I'm coding the privacy component for BuddyPress--a nice relaxing activity for a Sunday morning. Hum?
- Jeff Sayre
Compressing and archiving a load of files on JungleDisk, trying to convert a Drupal module intended for use with the Twitter OAuth API to work with FriendFeed, and drafting the OpenStream specification...
- Tyson Key
I'm organizing CloneFeed/OpenFF, the open source alternative to FF. Early stages though.
- Jason Huebel
from iPhone
Geeky/cultural - going through my favorite Woodstock performances on blip.fm.
- jcunwired
....multi-tasking between sourcing UI icons for a new app, scanning FF live feed, coding PHP, browsing Seesmic and now commenting on a thread where i appear not to be geekiest person here on a Sunday. Oh, and now i have too many tabs open in firefox, so i'm using Safari as a fill-in.
- Matthew Ogston
everyon'es working around me and im on friendfeed. lol
- nivcalderon
Browsing Google Reader, Friendfeed best of day, Twitter, Facebook, Digg, Social Median, Twine while copying a video off my Flip & uploading to Viddler... and on my iPhone: getting the Kindle & audible format of a @TedDekker book (Showdown) to take along on my kayaking trip down the Juniata river this afternoon. In the background, Mythbusters is busy figuring out how the Hindenburg blew up.
- Courtney Engle
ohhhh.. i forgot: downloading my entire list of domains for backup before moving servers. Add FTP to the list. and drinking freshly ground coffee in my french press travel mug. The coffee was purchased from a Guatemalan farmer my sister met while there.
- Courtney Engle
A couple of people have mentioned coffee. I just had my tea (I'm not from England). I think that may be even more geeky than drinking coffee!
- Jeff Sayre
Playing Super Mario Bros. on NES.
- ashish
I'm singing a song about robots with my one year old daughter ... "Robot parade... Robot parade .... Robots obey what the children say!"
- Trent Hamm
from iPod
Selecting photos + editing videos from the U2 360° Tour - I went to see last nite! Every geek will love the high-tech specs of the tour: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - stunning visuals!
- Frank Da Silva
Reading FriendFeed to see what geeky things everyone is doing
- Cathleen Rittereiser
Backing my computer up to my home network, while using regedit and preparing to install Win7. Oh +Twitter and FriendFeed are running in the background :P
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
I'm backing up The Internet. And storing it in the cloud.
- Micah Wittman
Micah +1!. Better than me - sister in law just dropped of HP laptop with Vista and said "it's slower now." so I get to play with the cleaning of spyware and the uninstalling of a billion little apps that HP feels are so necessary that they should be part of startup just to ensure that it takes a full 5-10 minutes before you can use the machine. But I'm not bitter.
- Michael Pardee
I'm commenting on this post. Can life get more "geeky?"
- Jimmy Walker
Don't know if this counts but I plan on pulling an all-nighter so I an get Avatar Day tickets.
- PJ Edwards
Configuring a Sonicwall router.
- Norm McKenzie
Writing code in Scala.
- Joey Gibson
I'm crocheting but I don't think that counts. I'm ripping out am old unfinished to use the yarn in a new project. Next up: a slouchy beret using DPNs then circular knitting needles.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
I am redesigning some code for my intelligent search engine which I have been working on for over 12 years now! http://www.cleversearchengine.com
- Benjy Felsham
reading friendfeed and catching up on my rss feed on google reader.
- Fuad Arshad
OK - and now - in English! WOW - I only "get" about a third of the comments! feeling very ungeeky!
- Robyn Hawk
I am wasting my time by writing comments on FF .. it's slightly after midnight in Central Europe now. Shower and bed next!
- Jan Horna
Ditched my wife at the airport to get free wifi. I'm flying virgin she's flying southwest. You snooze you lose LOL
- Jim Goldstein
Trying to decide about paying for Tweet Spinner . . .
- MikeEllsworth
Writing custom PHP code that will pull data from a MySQL database to present a technical class schedule in WordPress.
- Michael Carnell
Ripping Hogan's Hereos DVDs to make H.264 files for later playing on Apple TV. It's good to carry on in comments here as it shows FF that there is a continuing need and use of the FF ways of doing things. If this was on Facebook, I could not send a comment to Robert unless he friended me. Things are just so much tighter and efficient here.
- Keith Rowland
About the only other thing we could ask for in comments, is comments on comments.
- Keith Rowland
playing Ikariam and WoW while on FF and watching Nature
- Heather
Using my phone to Skype, Friendfeeding on a netbook, playing sudoku on my ipod while watching Pulp Fiction.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Converting/Creating Direct Response Television Ads to Direct Response Web Video and distribution http://www.directresponsetelev... closing deals before the site is even populated.
- Jim Peake
I think Robert should announce the winners of the contest now:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Is there anything geekier than organizing a tech conference? Yes, organizing a science+tech conference: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
following Scobleizer is pretty geeky
- Shari Weiss
working on new version of picollator.com
- Irina Yakhneeva
Installing IE8.
- Rob Schieber
Reading on FF instead of working...
- DAL
compiling Erlang
- Brian Hendrickson
Define "real-time."
- l0ckergn0me
_as if_ you can beat me :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
Hey Chris - How are your Twitter ads going? Would be interested in the feedback you are getting.
- Jim Connolly
OSgrid
- paniaguai
FriendFeed on a Saturday afternoon isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang.
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Do your own on TinyChat
- Chris Saad
Really?
- Jim Connolly
Scoble Gang
- Mark
You really should go back to doing it audio only, easier and better.
- Mason Lee
Yeah - what about a 'Scoble's gang?' You know everyone worth talking to.
- Jim Connolly
But yeah, I agree-- I miss that podcast, especially when it went somewhat deeper into things like "track" and the future of communications
- Mason Lee
Scoble's Gang reporting sir!
- Özgür D. Cyric
I'll get the Scoble Snacks! (Sorry, someone had to.)
- Darren Landrum
Darren: Loved that! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Heh. Thanks everyone! Gives me something to think about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll help you folks out. Steve: "If we can just get track back, then the gesture economy will finally take hold" Arrington: "Mufflers again, let's talk sports cars." Doc: "Is VRM a muffler or sports car?" Jason: "This show was sponsored by Building 43." Scoble: "Heehee."
- Matt Terenzio
Matt: add some drama and that is pretty close.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow. Only a little? Can't wait for Scoble Gang
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: I can't wait either but I already have Scoble Gang. It is called FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I thought we were a mob... now i'm confused
- Chris Heath
HAHAhahahaha yea! =] It's called FF!
- Özgür D. Cyric
C'mon Robert. The yearning mob awaits
- Steve Gillmor
Chris: gang, mob, what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
but steve, the mob awaits you too!
- Chris Heath
semantics
- Chris Heath
and spelling
- Chris Heath
the mob can [redacted] itself
- Steve Gillmor
that's funny steve, cuz i just [redacted] myself moments ago... and plan to [redact] later tonight as well :-P
- Chris Heath
may cause blindness
- Steve Gillmor
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mob
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed is a gateway drug to Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
"can't we all just get along?"
- Chris Heath
I've listened to several back episodes of Gillmor Gang over the last few days. They were surprisingly good. Steve comes across as cranky, yes, but underneath he is usually making valid points.
- Laura Norvig
I miss Gilmore Gang :(
- Robert Burgin
I agree Laura, and I also miss the GG
- Chris Heath
How far back did you go Laura?
- Chris Heath
Agree with Laura, I miss the gang, steve tells it like he sees it and doesn't just jump onto the newest thing just because its new .. Bring back the Gang !
- Aaron Dyer
Best part of GG were the inevitable meltdowns every few weeks
- Mark
Give the order Scoble Sir! I'll have their... well... keyboards!! :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
Sometimes meltdowns need to happen to re-focus us all, strong and differing opinions are a GOOD thing
- Aaron Dyer
GG reminded me of an open mic night where everyone ends up playing 12-bar blues.... but sometimes you get a jazz guy in there that mixes things up a bit.
- Jay Cuthrell
Chris, I listened to 3 episodes from March. I'm just going through all the ones that happen to be on my iPod that I never had a chance to listen to.
- Laura Norvig
Scoble -- Do it. The Scoble Mob.
- Dave Winer
"The Scoble Mob(ile)" would make a neat logo and imply the disjointed and anywhere anytime nature of the "mob"
- Jay Cuthrell
The Gillmor Gang was the best show on the internet in my opinion. I miss it tremendously. Scoble Gang wouldn't be the same even though he still could make a good show. You need Steve at the helm to set the tone.
- Wo
so wheres the link to "The Scoble Mob"? Who's going to be on today?
- BryanSchuetz
I'm sure Leo would let you put it on the TWIT Robert
- BryanSchuetz
Yeah I agree GG was great, and I miss it alot. Scoble is great and was great addition to the gang. But not many can do what Steve did so well. Cut into the bone of the conversation with just one "cranky" rant. I'm pretty sure I would subscribe to a scobleshow also though. I wasn't fond of the change over to Twit, it kinda changed the dynamics of the show. Nothing bad about Leo, the show just wasn't the same with him co holding the reins.
- Ras - Dago-Baadass! of FF
I for one, would love to see Leo [redacted] arrington in the mouth with his mighty "mob", over and over again
- Michael Thomas
Indeed, bring back The Gang...
- Richard Eckel
In a few days I think Arrington is going to announce he worked with twitter and the police to track the hacker down.
- Mark
Steve's a sweet teddybear with strong opinions...just not a great fit on TWiT. I'm sure a new iteration will appear when the time is right.
- Web Pixie
I guess nature does not abhor a vacuum.
- Jim Posner
FriendFeed on a Sunday morning, very early, so early in fact my ass is still in bed and not listening to a podcast isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang :P
- Johnny Worthington
What does Gillmor do for a day job? I mean, he posts maybe 1 article a week, a couple of tweets. What does he *do* ?
- Mark
He comes up with ideas for the schmuck with the puppets
- Dave Winer
Hahaha
- Mark
lol
- Aaron Thorn
I wonder sometimes how Tech people make their living. I mean, your financial past Dave is known (you made some nice bucks back in the day), Leo Laporte has his network, Scoble has his paying gigs with rackspace, but the likes of Feldman and Gillmor and a bunch of others make me wonder what pays the bills!
- Mark
Heck, Shel Isreal has a new book coming out! baby needs a new pair of shoes
- Mark
Mark: Steve Gillmor's RealTIme Crunchup had 500 people at it. You don't think he figured out how to get paid for that? And why do you need to get paid to talk on the Internet? I did this before I got paid for it. I'm just very fortunate to have found a way to do it all the time.
- Robert Scoble
anybody know how blocking works on friendfeed? Is it bidirectional or does it merely silence the idiots?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: if you block someone you no longer can see their stuff and they can no longer see your stuff. The rest of us are unaffected.
- Robert Scoble
600, Robert.
- Steve Gillmor
Actually, that's not completely true, because the folks you block can't see you anymore they can't comment on your stuff, so we'll notice that over time your items have fewer and fewer idiots commenting on them. That will increase your personal brand. On the other hand, if you block someone who has a lot of engagement (an idiot like me, for instance) then you'll see the artifacts of their interactions with other people.
- Robert Scoble
... I do miss it as well.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I'm sure that if you did a Gillmor Gang, you would all say that Chrome OS is in fact Android 2.0 and it's going to kill Microsoft, Intel and Apple.
- Charbax
Charbax: whenever a blogger says something kills something else that just means it's more interesting than something else. Nothing more. So, if that's true, you'd be right.
- Robert Scoble
ok, but isn't new tech supposed to sometimes really cannibalize established tech. If Google OS powers $100 laptops with ARM processors all of a sudden, then who's going to buy Windows/OSX stuff anymore. And how can the old Silicon Valley giants then still make money.
- Charbax
Charbax: it's pretty rare that new stuff actually "kills" old stuff and when it does it takes years to happen. Heck, the Web has been killing AOL now for about a decade and AOL still is around. I don't think Google Chrome will get me to stop buying OSX or Windows but it could change my behavior and that is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
All major laptop OEMs showed 50 sub-$200 ARM netbook designs at Computex last month, I filmed them all http://techvideoblog.com/... (my Computex videos were on Engadget a dozen times in that week). I think Chrome OS is actually just Google optimizing the browser for all these new cheaper embedded Linux laptops.
- Charbax
scoble's definition may work for him, but when I say something's dead, it has a specific meaning -- and it's not that is no longer interesting. RSS has always been and continues to be interesting. But it's still dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Charbax: right. Hi Steve. Someday I'll get the Gillmor translation guide figured all out.
- Robert Scoble
I miss the Gillmor Gang! The industry is very dull without it...
- Michael Pinto
start with Saturday Night Live first 2 seasons
- Steve Gillmor
Keep Arrington away and it'll be fine. He killed The Gillmor Gang. Office is dead. Now The Gillmor Gang is dead. "Well now everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back" haha I make myself laugh, that's what's really important here.
- Diego Barros
Diego: I figure Gillmor Gang will come back right around the same time we stop talking about it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I disagree, Arrington's a tool and the perfect foil on Gillmor Gang. Renew it, intact. Saturdays on FF, TC & Twitter are a bore now...
- Thom Kennon
Robert: I'm sure it will, and I think we are all sure it will come back. Just need the dust to settle. Maybe the Gang needs a new home away from TechCrunch (or it may stay there). But yes, it will be back, Steve can't stay away. Oh and BTW, I love Steve's work. That's why I'm here talking about it.
- Diego Barros
They will be back Just will take time
- Aaron Thorn
Thom: You think he's the tool every show needs?
- Diego Barros
That's worth elaborating. Respectively, I hear the same broad sweeping, provocative statements that don't include anything in support of that statement as to why. I understand it's the only way to make a point effectively in a short window of time but I've heard too many people say "RSS is Dead" without much to support that claim/point of view. It's like someone trying to drive fashion.
- Benjamin Taylor
The iphone represents less than 1% of the global mobile phone market, yet Apple amasses $20 Billion treasury, so I guess you are right. it'll probably take them at least a few years to burn up all that money unless they quickly fire most of their 85 thousand employees.
- Charbax
Diego, yep. It keeps things interesting and makes the less toolish look (and act) more brill.
- Thom Kennon
Is there any way to listen to the old shows?
- Robert D'Alesio
RSS is Dead. RSS is live. RSS lives.
- Matt Terenzio
It's alive. Alive!
- Matt Terenzio
Like others have said, definitely miss it. My podcast lineup's not the same with iTunes showing my GG feed broken.
- Micah Wittman
I second the motion to set up the Scoble Mob!
- Adrian Scicluna
I agree
- Robert Burgin
i want GillmorGang back in real-time
- HansVanRock
I think there are such things as netbooks. I travel with one and love it. Easy on the shoulders. Long battery life. Who cares if it breaks.
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"Who cares if it breaks." <---LOL
- Mona Nomura
I would care if it breaks. I don't consider a $300 device to be disposable.
- Gunny Just Gunny
Hi Mona!
- Dave Winer
Gunnyman, sorry if I offended your sensibility. I live in California where netbooks are cheaper ($250) and everything else is much much more expensive.
- Dave Winer
Dave, thankfully you "get" netbooks. I wrote a GigaOm post today quoting an NPD survey where most netbook customers *don't* get them. Even though they have them. Heh... ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
Hi Dave!! I love your Tweets, they make me smile :)
- Mona Nomura
*is still waiting for _truly_ disposable computing*
- Joe Silence is not dead
Kevin - The funny thing about that survey was that it was only of 600 people. That, in my opionion is hardly enough to make some of the comments that were in that study...
- Robert
Robert, I agree and mentioned that in my post. 600 new netbook customers were surveyed out of the 10s of millions that own them. However, based on commentary from folks that see my netbook, they have pre-conceived notions that these are at least as powerful as today's notebooks, which the study did identify. Folks want it all and they don't want to pay for it; that applies to many markets, not just netbooks.
- Kevin C. Tofel
My netbook costs as much as one night at a hotel in Berlin. To put things in perspective.
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Which netbook do you have? I have the Asus eee PC 900A, and I love it.
- Joey Gibson
I have the Asus 1000HA.
- Dave Winer
oh
- maxilprof
I have the Asus 1000H. Wonderful personal experience
- maxilprof
so little, so smart
- maxilprof
In Italy, 299 euros
- maxilprof
Something weird happened to MS, Intel and probably Apple. They went too far. Netbooks are all most of us need. Scale back.
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isn't it pretty typical to reach excess before you find balance? netbooks evolved from bigger tech. with time they can retain their simplicity and power. hopefully :)
- Derek Chilcoat
Respectfully, I have to disagree. These things are barely usable today. Maybe, if all you want to do is email and browse the web, then, yeah, they are fine. But, to do real work and more, you need a real computer, not these crippled and stripped down things with smallish keyboards and tiny screens. If I want that, I'll use my Pre instead.
- George Gray
what's needed now is refinement and i see that best coming from apple, but also from open source - it's easier for apple since they're closed but the open source route is the ideal (imho) - MS has definitely been left in the dust, but we'll see how win7 does over the next couple years ... but refinement in the UI/UX and overall OS areas are what is most needed now, not performance enhancements - totally agree dave
- Chris Heath
There are 6 billion people on the planet and most of them aren't like us and for most of them what a netbook does is just right and the cost is just right too. That's why there's so much pressure on these companies. They had everyone snookered into thinking you couldn't make a good-enough computer for $500, well it turns out you can make one for $250. For most people a Honda Civic is plenty of car. The netbooks are that kind of computer.
- Dave Winer
I'm not quite sure whether to agree or disagree with Dave. Netbooks aren't particularly good for 3D gaming, and I'm not aware how good they are for watching movies. I think it would be safest to say that if netbooks are not all that *most* of us need, they are just slightly below that.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Rishabh, what kind of processor do you think is in a dvd player? movies are fine on netbooks (if you can get a dvd drive) - and what percentage of the laptop market is 3d gamers?
- Chris Heath
Huh...I'm not sure Dave comes from, but most families I know need more than a Honda Civic. Try stuffing two adults and kids into a Civic. Doesn't work. I want more than a 'good-enough' computer. My laptop has a 17 inch screen that I can use for than a few minutes. It has a real keyboard that won't cramp my hands after a few minutes use. Where I do agree, though, is that a 'netbook' is...
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- George Gray
Chris: About the DVD players, good point. I didn't think of it that way. About the gaming, I think that many younger computer users most likely would engage in some 3D gaming on their laptop.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
MS may have lost share but they're still close to 90%. Fact is most of 6B don't have fast internet so SAS is meaningless and main reason, imho, that MS isn't losing share faster is b/c it's not the PC its the software. I have 1/2 apps that I can't economically replace with Open Source or web based that's why I'm still on PC plus who has the time to master 1/2 dozen learning curves?
- Tom Gray
You're right Dave, Netbooks are like the Honda Civic, only from 1973. They had a 3-cylinder engine and were a basic 2-seater that got you from point A to point B. Netbooks basically do the same thing but they aren't for everybody, kind of like the original Civic. Great cars though, and ran forever. http://tr.im/nRsK
- Perry Cortell
Disagree. I have a netbook and I like it quite a lot but it's not a daily driver by any stretch of the imagination.
- Rachel Luxemburg
I actually agree with Dave and then some. My primary computer is a Blackberry Curve. It's easily augmented with a Nokia N800 and/or iPod Touch. For many mobile professionals today, a Netbook coupled with smaller, ligher tools really are all we need. I use a Dell laptop that's way overpowered for what I use and need it for today. I think there's a balance point we haven't found yet, but...
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- Ken Camp
Dave, I'm curious about this. I'm not a netbook user though would like one. How is that all we need? What about our mobile phones? I'm certainly not saying we necessarily need a macbook pro, but as a podcaster of a fairly well listened to series, I think I need more than a netbook offers. Can you explain what you mean so I can better understand? Thank you.
- Sheryl
Apple cannot refine a product it chooses not to sell. The netbook is the child of SE Asia, not the US, and look at their push into imac style all-in-ones. Maybe they are farther along the form factor and usage model than given credit.
- Hayes Haugen
Re: Before the storm (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Well I love my netbook, and I look forward to more cool stuff. Your mileage may vary (and I too remember when lowercase characters were cool)."
- Dave Winer
Microsoft's problem, they employ billions of dollars worth of engineers who produce stuff no one wants. http://www.bit-tech.net/news...
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They should concentrate on what they do best (operating systems and business software).
- Bryan Lee
Which is the essence of the difference between MS and Apple. Apple thinks about a real user problem and then finds the technology to solve it elegantly. MS thinks of a technology and then tries to figure out how to make it profitable.
- Kevin Pedraja
There's nothing wrong with creating software to make a profit. Dave, your premise is wrong. If nobody wanted Microsoft's software then nobody would buy it. People are still buying... so obviously somebody wants it. This is like Gilmor's argument that RSS is dead. You can't make broad generalizations like that.
- Joshua Hayworth
There are hundreds (if not thousands?) of companies with vested interests in seeing Microsoft products succeed (.NET, Biztalk, Exchange, SQL Server, etc.)
- Joshua Hayworth
I would argue that Kevin, Apple has often though about form over function.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
And they tell their users that they didn't have time to put in the features we've been asking for, like the ability to close--not minimize--apps in WinMo. And I really need to read up on 6.5 to see what changes they've made there.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
You STILL can't close apps in WinMo (without going to the task manager)? I remember that being an issue more than 5 years ago!
- invariant - farewell FF
Joshua, I'd bet anything you didn't read the article I linked to.
- Dave Winer
Anyway, here's the problem. If Microsoft created software everyone wanted or even a lot of people wanted, they wouldn't have to force netbook makers to cripple their machines so they could sell an OS that they created 10 years ago. Since XP was finished they've spent many billions creating two new OSes. And sadly, XP is everything anyone wants from them. I use XP and find it wanting in no way. That's what I'm saying (limited to 140 chars, thanks to Twitter!)...
- Dave Winer
BTW, I have a hunch this isn't Microsoft's fault -- exactly. It could well be that PC operating systems were finished in 1999 or thereabouts. Apple hasn't shipped anything anyone wants recently either. Imho. YMMV. MMLM (my mother loves me). IANAL.
- Dave Winer
And as far as Steve Gillmor is concerned -- I give up. He can be an dummy if he wants to be. No law against that. :-) He's come up with some good concepts over the years, like attention and gestures. But this time he's dead wrong (not dead, just dead wrong). Dead dead dead dead dead. See I can say it too. :-) Dead. One more time. Dead. Dead. I lied I said it twice. Dead dead dead. Oh man.
- Dave Winer
Remember when it worked the other way around? Thirty years ago, if you wanted to use VisiCalc, you had to buy an Apple II. These days, if you want to use a netbook, you have to get XP.
- Pat Rice
come on now, the 140 characters is on SMS's shoulders, not Twitter's. Twitter is just playing by SMS's rules. Twitter is the netbook and SMS is Microsoft, i guess :-) and, yes the full limit is 160 for SMS
- Derek Chilcoat
Pat, I like XP. I've learned how to sysadmin it. How about that!
- Dave Winer
aren't netbooks kind of crippled by design to begin with? all the ones i've looked at are more like net toys. not intended for the audience who likes to tweak everything out the nth degree.
- Derek Chilcoat
Eric, you are absolutely right. But if you think about the two companies from the perspective of user experience, Apple tends to make that the centerpiece of their innovation strategy. That's not to say they don't fall in love with certain things and lose sight of their key differentiator.
- Kevin Pedraja
Guilty as charged. I had not read the story at the time I responded to your post. Maybe that's the problem that you (you specifically, or software developers in general) should work on!
- Joshua Hayworth
Derek, you are right-'netbooks' ARE inherently limited by design. Weak processors and little memory, cramped keyboards, many have no optical drive, small screens and did I say weak processors? C'mon...They are barely better than the computers that we got XP on to begin with. Why is it that, here in 2009, people fret over technology that is barely better than what we had almost ten years...
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- George Gray
And yet, people have problems with MS putting those guidelines in place when other companies get a free pass. I am not going to mention that fruity company by name. They won't let the operating system go on any hardware other than theirs.
- George Gray
I like XP, too. I'm just amused that this time the hardware determines the software, not the other way around. (And it's pointless to compare netbooks against machines that are larger & more expensive. A Honda can't go as fast as a Lamborghini, but that doesn't mean the Honda is underpowered & useless.)
- Pat Rice
Re: Before the storm (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"You're quite welcome! I thought of another reason I like netbooks, and am suspicious of the motives of people who put them down. My netbook runs my software, which runs on Windows. So far Apple isn't offering a super-portable machine that does that. The iPhone has a very restrictive development model, and you have to get your software approved by a censor, who doesn't approve of Adolf Hitler satires (come on, get the stick out of your butt!) among other things. I'd pay a lot extra for the ability to write scripts that work on the net. Apple doesn't understand how I work on the net, and I don't see why I should have to wait for them to figure it out (could take a long long time, if they ever do)."
- Dave Winer
Re: New iPhone (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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"I'm totally with you -- that's why I carry a netbook, because I can run my development environment on it, and create my own worlds, not just the one Apple envisions for me. But I love the way the iPhone and its camera work. In the end I couldn't not use it. I really considered it. Would have saved a bunch of money."
- Dave Winer
Re: Conflicts of interest in tech (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Perhaps. But I was shocked to see a laptop I could buy for $600 a year ago, and that was a shadow of what I'm buying now for $400. Maybe now they're achieving the economy of scale, but I doubt they were at the beginning. It's also possible they sell them at a loss. But if I had to bet, I'd bet there was price-fixing going on too. I think the Chinese figured it out, or maybe it was common knowledge, and they just decided to burst the bubble and grab market share, which they certainly are doing."
- Dave Winer
Can you get a full scale laptop in the US for $400? (as opposed to a netbook)
- Barak B
Okay you guys wanted me to take a picture with the netbook's webcam out the window of the plane -- so here it is! (Wasn't easy, but it's kind of fun..)
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Woah - I'm looking at myself from up above, but down below
- Jesse Stay
Don't get dizzy!! :-)
- Dave Winer
nice, Thanks for taking us with you ob this flight :-)
- zsafwan
Actually, per your flightstats link you're way south of me so I'm probably way over there on the horizon
- Jesse Stay
It's nice to have some company. The guy in the seat next to me is sleeping.
- Dave Winer
Take a picture of him ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Go Dave!
- Mike Doeff
BTW, pathetically, I just realized it's cloudy outside from your picture instead of going outside and noticing
- Jesse Stay
Inflight internet? Sweet!
- You.
Not just "in the cloud," but "above the clouds"! Amazing thing, wifi on planes... (nice shot, too).
- Yule Heibel
Nice shot and pretty good quality to, that is truly a good shot being above the clouds like it's own space away from mainstream, `cept for the the jet engine :)
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
Theres something on the wing!
- Joe "Bust-Ass" Pierce
Dave, how is the quality of your airborne connectivity?
- Dave Martin
Does this count as "cloud computing"
- William Mougayar
Which airline?
- Steve Rubel
American Airlines
- Roberto Bonini
what Netbook are you using Dave?
- nouhad
Flying over Boulder, Colorado now. Greetings to @bfeld! :-) 15 http://www.flightstats.com/go...
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Are you Tweeting from the plane?
- Jesse Stay
Yes, of course.
- Dave Winer
Dave, please take a pic of ground below and post. TY
- Dave Martin
Dave, nothing but clouds out the window.
- Dave Winer
And it wouldn't be easy. My iPhone doesn't have a net connection, only my netbook.
- Dave Winer
this will make flying enjoyable :-)
- zsafwan
Dave, can you hold your netbook up to the window and take the picture? : )
- Mike Doeff
Dave's a rebel :-)
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I'm waving from down below in Salt Lake
- Jesse Stay
Gillmor Gang will record Monday 4PM Pacific w/ FriendFeed founders
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Great timing. Big day for FriendFeed Monday. I'll definitely be tuned in.
- Rolf Schewe
Awesome!
- Susan Beebe
Great! I may actually be able to catch that one due to the time! Thanks!
- ursi
I will be in the air, unfortunately. Bummer.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. A good time for that.
- Thomas Hawk
Gillmor, is anyone from the FF team on your show this afternoon?
- Thomas Hawk
My guess would be he's probably been tired since Friday or so, Chris. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Paul Buchheit will be on Gilmor Gang at 4PM Pacific streamed on Twit.TV live
- Steve Gillmor
I can barely hear what Leo is saying.
- Dave Winer
Leo's spent the last few days trying to recover from a tricaster failure and has been tweaking levels on different services, getting resolutions reset on feeds, etc. The ustream feed seems to have the best audio at the moment: http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
- Ken Sheppardson
50min till Gillmor Gang right?
- Wo
Cris: yes
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Ken. This real time thing is pretty neat!
- Wo
Live now at http://live.twit.tv
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul Buchheit, Mike Arrington, Scoble, Dan Farber, Andrew Keen, and Kevin Marks.
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike says he's writing an article right now: "FriendFeed is in danger of becoming the coolest app no one uses"
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike sorta declares FF missed the boat and won't be able to overcome Twitter's lead/network effects. Paul's trying to defend the fact that they can/should be more than one company in the space.
- Ken Sheppardson
I disagree with Arrington
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a short term shift en masse to FriendFeed
- Ken Sheppardson
Has Andrew used the beta?
- Ken Sheppardson
Andrew seems like he doesn't understand the beta.
- Thomas Hawk
Talking heads are mentioning Twitter because it is a fad
- Bwana ☠
the idea of twitter storing my images and video on their site gives me the willies.
- Karoli
Half of them don't even know what they're saying
- Bwana ☠
I wish they'd stop talking about twitter...
- Adnan
yeah it seems like some of the people on the call really don't understand how the new FriendFeed even really works.
- Thomas Hawk
I just brought my friends timeline into Friendfeed as a custom RSS feed.
- Karoli
Bwana: Yeah, this is a whole lot more about how the standard market dynamics stuff than what FriendFeed's done
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought this was going to be a "Twitter free" edition...I guess I was wrong.
- Ahmed
I can't understand some of these guys because they are talking over each other.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Ahmed: You can't really talk about FriendFeed after today without also talking about Twitter and Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey, yeah... let's talk to Paul about this...
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: They have to go through the usual suspects before they can settle in and talk about FriendFeed :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris, don't take it personally.
- Kevin Fox
live updating on the new beta really works well for this type of back channel.
- Thomas Hawk
Ken : True...
- Ahmed
This realtime discussion is amazing... instant realtime chat room!
- Adnan
Mike is missing the standards conversation
- Kevin Marks
Thomas, it's great. I did turn off the replies to Twitter feature though...
- Karoli
Live blogging events pretty much changed overnight.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to ask Paul, will there be any chance to give people the choice for run-Time instead of forcing it onto people. That's what I didn't like. Leave it an option.
- Mol, Santa Claws
That's actually a really good point: "Celebrities aren't coming to Twitter for conversation."
- Kevin Fox
Thomas: opening up an entry page (this one for instance: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) works really well in the beta. It's like a chat room :)
- Benjamin Golub
I agree with Paul, personally I'm not interested in celebrities and Twitter has very little appeal for me. I'm far more interested in interesting tech and photography and for that FF is far more interesting a place.
- Thomas Hawk
Molly, just hit pause and manually refresh
- Karoli
Neither is Steve Gillmor, for that matter.
- Kent
Benjamin: Only little kink is the page doesn't scroll to keep up. The convo keeps walking off the bottom of the screen.
- Ken Sheppardson
If I post a comment, does it leave the post input open and focused? No. :(
- Michael Leggett
Are the comments to this post from Steve just an analog to an IRC chat? Looks darned familiar!
- Calgary Guru
I love FF over Twitter.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Michael: It does if you're on a single-item page.
- Kevin Fox
Calgary: Absolutly, but it's persistent, searchable, linkable...
- Ken Sheppardson
RT is great for these fast-moving conversations, but if only the comment button was down at the bottom.
- j1m
Michael: when on an entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) if you post a comment it immediately refocuses the comment box. Edit: Kevin beat me!
- Benjamin Golub
It makes it pretty much a group IM chat.
- Kevin Fox
yeah this is nice.
- MG Siegler
...and when I see somebody say something interesting here, I can jump off an link to everything they've ever written.
- Ken Sheppardson
J1m if you click the link and come into this post only, the comment button is at the bottom.
- Simon Wicks
Facebook. ugh.
- Karoli
Can I go slap Mike Arrington?
- Mol, Santa Claws
Molly, get in line behind me.
- Karoli
Molly: Ask Kevin to.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed pro tip: once on an entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) click on the entry timestamp again :)
- Benjamin Golub
Mike was pretty hilarious at the FF demo on Friday. He was wandering around the office looking at whiteboards and stuff...
- Ken Sheppardson
Why should I use FriendFeed when I'm happy on Twitter? <-- Use Twitter. Duh.
- Bwana ☠
Facebook's UGI is crap now, but I still use it. :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Benjamin: That's sweet!
- Sam Grover
Thanks Benjamin
- Phil Maxwell
oops UI not UGI
- Mol, Santa Claws
I like the way these comments are turning into an irc room
- Kevin Marks
Twitter is a broadcasting channel now. The real exchange of ideas is going to be here.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed has photos, Twitter does not, I think that's huge right there and very disruptive.
- Thomas Hawk
oh, that's very cool Benjamin
- Karoli
FF is good for the conversation.
- Mol, Santa Claws
I think with the feedback FF is getting, they will improve their UI.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Friendfeed is pretty cool with the update.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
It's lots of things. It's adaptable. It's sorta infinitely extensible. The trick is making it simple at the same time.
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul seems like a really understanding person.
- Mol, Santa Claws
The comment box needs to be above the comment stream so it doesn't get pushed of the bottom of the window if a couple of people post comments while you're typing.
- Phil Maxwell
Kevin: Ask what FF's runway looks like, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
Can't wait to hear it. When will it post to the web.
- Tom Parish
I am not giving Twitter or Facebook my content. They keep it
- Karoli
It would be interesting to pick any two: FriendFeed, Facebook, or Twitter, and assign those two arbitrary user counts where one had 10x the other, and then try to make the argument of how the underdog was doomed, or would eclipse the larger site.
- Kevin Fox
I can't understand why it's always a choice between FriendFeed or Twitter and not a choice between Facebook or Twitter. Boggles my mind
- Bwana ☠
When FriendFeed will tip: When people get sick of duplicating themselves across FB, Twitter, Flickr, Disqus, BackType, etc.
- Karoli
There are tautological arguments. Twitter is superior to Friendfeed because it's simple, but Facebook is superior to Twitter because it has more functionality.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think a direct 1-to-1 comparison of users is fair. Does a twitter user have the same value as a FF user under all the possible monitization schemes you can imagine?
- Ken Sheppardson
*sarcastic tone* Yeah get Paul off the line so we can trash FF. *rolls eyes*
- Mol, Santa Claws
FF is far superior to either for two simple reasons. 1. It's far better for conversations. 2. Visual representation is significant and in many ways can be more relevant than text alone.
- Thomas Hawk
I prefer friendfeed over twitter because it allows a conversation to beuch less fragmented. I can see the whole conversation rather than having to jump all over the place to pick up what is being said. Twitter is one on one im and not the group chat I prefer
- Iain
Scoble speaks truth.
- Bwana ☠
The most telling argument is probably that this dicussion we're having here simply couldn't happen on Twitter as it currently exists.
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin @Bravada Agreed! Discussion here is much easier to follow than on Twitter
- Pat Hawks
Scoble rocks
- Mol, Santa Claws
I'm on the call and reading this
- Kevin Marks
nice. hi Kevin.
- Thomas Hawk
Hi Kevin :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Kevin: Hi! Are you reading via the entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...)?
- Benjamin Golub
Much better than the 'real chat rooms'
- Amyloo
Mike has a very typical biz/VC approach to this it seems. Sorta limits the scope of what one sees it seems.
- Ken Sheppardson
We have real-time web around a real-time video show...
- Bwana ☠
When Paul says multiple services converging... does that mean he sees friendfeed, facebook and twitter eventually having the same functionality?
- Adnan
Adnon: No, it means he sees interoperability and a free flow of data between them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Adnan, since Facebook seems to copy everything FriendFeed does anyway... :)
- Karoli
Back in my day, we called this IRC... kinda cool it's on the web now
- Bwana ☠
"Why would you want a private room?" Because some people have friends in real life that they want to share with and not worry about random people on the internets messing it up
- Pat Hawks
Bwana: And we can search it, link to it, hop off form it into peoples' other stuff, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, I'm off. Bye :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Bwana, on the web and going out to anyone who follows you if you want it to.
- Karoli
Someone should get Scoble in this thread.
- Thomas Hawk
Scoble speaks for the drunken folk. yay!
- Bwana ☠
Kevin: Suggest Andrew actually try it, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Kevin it would be great to let the others on the call know that this is going on.
- Thomas Hawk
Beta tweak: Put a comment link a the bottom of an active thread. I keep having to scroll up to get the comment box to come back up :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: go directly to the item. It expands automatically, and you always have a comment box open: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana, are you on the permalinked (and beta) page of this thread? If so, I think the box should always show.
- Philipp Lenssen
Oh ok, I was on Steve's page
- Bwana ☠
IM should be a component of Twitter, except that they don't give a shit about their users.
- Karoli
Is friendfeed doing anything with opensocial?
- Adnan
I think FriendFeed might kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia
- MG Siegler
Chris: Some folks on this call (e.g. Steve) think email's dying, yes.
- Ken Sheppardson
I hate email. I like FF direct messaging.
- Thomas Hawk
Compare this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... to this: http://search.twitter.com/search... Which is actually more meaningful?
- Kevin Fox
Chris White: maybe that's why Twitter removed their IM functionality?
- Phil Maxwell
Friend feed is all about the databasing and the search!!
- Ed Dale
@Kevin Yes! FriendFeed search ftw
- Pat Hawks
Because you're using it Leo LOL
- Bwana ☠
Adnan: Matt Cutts and Paul were talking about OpenSocial last Friday night... keep your eyes open.
- Ken Sheppardson
On Twitter, I know 50 people are telling other people to listen to Gillmore Gang. On Friendfeed there are several active conversations in realtime *about* the things that are being discussed on the show right now.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: perfect example
- Bwana ☠
The search is the most powerful I've seen, particularly when it starts updating in real time
- Karoli
Which is why I'm so excited about Filters
- Bwana ☠
My company uses friendfeed as a group repository for niches we are researching - fully searchable - people can comment and it's permanent
- Ed Dale
ken: I was in the middle of watching scobles video of the event when the gillmorgang started... :)
- Adnan
Kevin Fox: Would be nice if there were someway to know/see what other convos are going.
- Ken Sheppardson
bwana: I can't wait till when they make filters realtime!
- Adnan
twitter is broadcast - friendfeed is a destination
- Ed Dale
Not *everybody* uses Google, but they're doing all right
- Pat Hawks
Adnan: It was after the demo, over a beer.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken Sheppardson: That's what I linked to: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Kevin Fox
Google at one point was far smaller than Yahoo. And then Google came along with better tech. Sometimes you actually can build a better mousetrap.
- Thomas Hawk
Adnan: seriously
- Bwana ☠
It's a search for "Gillmor Gang' entries with more than 5 comments.
- Kevin Fox
Leo speaks for the common man
- Bwana ☠
Aha... cool. I've been trying to funnel everybody here. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike is wrong about network effects and disruption.
- Kevin Marks
friendfeed needs an api period - not what they are currently calling an api
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Some superset of the Twitter API, yes
- Ken Sheppardson
the trouble with twitter is the follow you follow me problem - by making it to "rude" not to follow people - they create a mess
- Ed Dale
I agree with those who say the API for FF needs to be more robust. Developers won't build if they don't get an API they can work with.
- Karoli
yes, follow too many people on twitter it's a total mess. FriendFeed is far more manageable.
- Thomas Hawk
let him finish a sentence, mike
- Ken Sheppardson
not true @chris White - anyone can send you an @ message
- Ed Dale
Scoble and Mike, like a married couple :)
- Simon Wicks
FF is vastly superior for realtime search.
- Thomas Hawk
it isn't real time search, Mike. it's TRACK
- Karoli
The metadata's much, much richer on FF than Twitter.
- Ken Sheppardson
with the real time push, it becomes track
- Karoli
I gree with that -
- Ed Dale
impossible
- Ed Dale
Thomas: Agreed! Robert really has a point... even Arrington agrees! realtime search is important.
- Adnan
This real-time chat is one of the reasons why FF new UI is so much relevant
- Martin Añazco
Martin - But it's tooo faaaaaaaast </whine> :P
- Bwana ☠
Likes are much richer than Favorites
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana, you crack me up.
- Kevin Fox
this chat is excellent.
- Ed Dale
see how this realtime is limited to this thread....Guess what else can do that... LISTS!!
- Bwana ☠
friendfeed has metadata because they don't strip it from the incoming sources - twitter strips all of it but the source and the 140 characters
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Lists of comments provide much more semantic connectivity than @ signs on Twitter
- Ken Sheppardson
@Bwana we will get use to it or find better ways to use it. It's just day 1 on this.
- Martin Añazco
someone in the chat room just said short statement metadata is useless. LOL.
- Karoli
Martin - yup you're right
- Bwana ☠
hang with the hashtags, then
- Karoli
Likes are the new retweets
- Karoli
Scoble is a FFholic!! best ever..
- Ahmed
oh dear the meta data of likes and comments alone is immense for the search engine
- Ed Dale
He said Plurk!! hahah
- Bwana ☠
If this permalinked thread is IRC, then I would want the comment box to always be scrolled into sight/ be at the bottom, tho.
- Philipp Lenssen
Twitter and FF can and will coexist.
- Pat Hawks
Yeah, Laconica/Jaiku are the biggest losers here.
- Ken Sheppardson
Philipp, agree. frustrating to keep having to retrieve the comment box.
- Karoli
Philip it is here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Bwana ☠
Robert just nailed it.
- Thomas Hawk
Yes. Needles out of the haystack ftw
- Pat Hawks
Ken, why isn't there a bridge into Laconica like there is to Twitter?
- Karoli
That's why they're shutting him up Thomas
- Bwana ☠
Right on Scoble!!
- Ed Dale
You have all the same friends you had yesterday, you just see them now. You're just seeing everything you used to miss.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert is on top of it tonight
- Bwana ☠
Mike Arrington is an asshole today.
- Karoli
Mike! See this forum! THIS IS WHY!
- Pat Hawks
@Karoli only today?
- Ahmed
Karoli: You mean a little checkbox to post to Identica? Because nobody uses Identica.
- Ken Sheppardson
I just realized..my FriendFeed stats are going to be weird this month... Steve Gillmor will be my #1 guy
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: He has to be to deal with Mike.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ahmed I was hoping someone would say that.
- Karoli
Scoble's really on today. Making very good points.
- Thomas Hawk
Bwana, that is where I am, but old comments perhaps should be pushed away by new comments... right now, new comments push away the comment box instead.
- Philipp Lenssen
Here it is again...Explain again Robert lol
- Bwana ☠
if you have comments and likes!! you can filter!!!!!
- Ed Dale
Scoble knows how FF works far more than Arrington does.
- Thomas Hawk
meta data is sadly not a celebrity word :-)
- Ed Dale
Ken...but still, what if we want to communicate from FF. I have to leave to reply, can't send likes there. Even if it's not huge, it would center everything on FF
- Karoli
SOMEBODY get this link in front of Mike!
- Pat Hawks
Scobles been put on the spot so many times, he's improved all his arguments over time! :)
- Adnan
Ed - Let's make a cute name for it.. "Meta Meta" or "MoMeta"
- Bwana ☠
I like how the company founder just sits back and let's Scoble explain stuff. Robert is FriendFeed's "Goose", re the Top Gun analogy earlier today.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Karoli I think he is just on the show to make people angry...
- Ahmed
Fluffy kitten meta
- Ed Dale
also group messaging, Filters...
- Ken Sheppardson
how do I make a filter of only this comment stream? (sorry if it's a stupid question)
- Michael Breslin
FF = the dream of social search realized. Twitter = one big search mess.
- Thomas Hawk
DITTO SCOBLE!!!
- Ed Dale
awkward silence of "I'm right you're wrong"
- Bwana ☠
Fuck you, Mike Arrington. Just sayin'.
- Karoli
sorry about the ditto!
- Ed Dale
:)
- Thomas Hawk
but its searchable!!!!
- Ed Dale
This could never happen on Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
its permanent!!!
- Ed Dale