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WHOA! Cool!
- AJ Batac
awesome!
- siniradam
you just made my color blind self cry tears of joy - I can now click that to discover all of the links that some crazy color mad designer has "hidden" from me by their color choices
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wow neat trick
- Onur Gündüz
is there a bookmarklet to make hackernews look good on the iphone?
- Ivan Kirigin
Add this to FriendFeed and you've got Wave :-)
- Jesse Stay
Reminds me somewhat of ClutterMe http://www.clutterme.com/ - they figured out how to make a whole page in-place-editable (javascript of course) - just click anywhere and start typing: http://www.clutterme.com/pages...
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice, discover links obscured by CSS
- Orlando Pozo
Cute trick. Not being familiar with java script (at all) what is the void%200 statement there for?
- Eric Borisch
Without the void 0, the browser will navigate to a page showing the result of the computation.
- Paul Buchheit
Not grasping the %200, though
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
But that's not the case when I just execute it in the (safari) address bar. I take it that's expected?
- Eric Borisch
%20 is a space. I'm not sure about safari -- I use ff.
- Paul Buchheit
Cool. This + FB + malcontents + screenshots = ???
- Eric Borisch
What is this supposed to do again ?-- it does nothing that I can discern in IE, FF or Chrome (on Vista).
- Brian Sullivan
OK I see what it does on FF.
- Brian Sullivan
But only in FireFox presumably?
- Brian Sullivan
It works on IE
- AJ Batac
So it does -- first time I tried IE8 crashed.
- Brian Sullivan
Works in Chrome, too
- Jan Ole Peek
It doesn't seem to work in 4.0.223.11
- Brian Sullivan
I'm still on Chrome 3.0.195.27 but it says no update detected... this is in Win7. Pretty sure my OSX Chrome is 4.0.223.11 though.
- Jan Ole Peek
4.0.223.11 is the latest in the dev stream.
- Brian Sullivan
Works on Chrome Mac version here. I added the script as a new bookmark in the menu.
- Jesper Lind
Try this instead to avoid the %20 weirdness: javascript:void(document.body.contentEditable=(document.body.contentEditable!='true'))
- Matt Mastracci
Doesn't seem to work either -- maybe a bug in the dev version?
- Brian Sullivan
World's coolest bookmarklet, especially those who are creating demo apps.
- Mike Reynolds
Wow, this is awesome (works perfectly for me in Firefox 3.5). Simple Bookmarklet code that makes Web pages "editable". Now if only there were save + back buttons or something = Instant Wiki.
- Alex Schleber
I realized after playing for a while, some of the keyboard events stop working, like submitting form by hitting Enter .. (FF 3.5.3)
- Onur Gündüz
this is the fundamental line of every wysiwyg editor you use. for IE use allowEdit
- Tzury Bar Yochay
Clicking it a second time makes it un-editable (and therefore it should respond to events and such).
- Paul Buchheit
So how do you discover 'hidden' links.?
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Cool, worked for me (the box is Windows Chrome 3.0.195.27)
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
I mean in all open tabs and windows, not just in editable mode. It stayed that way, still no keyboard events (not restarted ff yet) :)
- Onur Gündüz
Figured how to make it but what's it good for - pretending to rip other people's stuff to sh*t?
- Michael Slattery
Michael - I'm thinking about possible use as a minor webdesign tool. Of course other tools are more powerful, but this is a nice simple one.
- Deborah Fitchett
Ok, I finally get it
- Michael Slattery
this is the worlds best website
- Grant Rhoades
Almost nobody understood my earlier webapp idea, so I'll try again. Imagine you were looking at a website such as FriendFeed and you wanted to create a near pixel-perfect copy but in a way that you could move things around, adjust shadows, etc. I want a tool that makes that easy.
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And without taking screenshots or copying the html, since the point is that it should have the power to quickly create something that looks just like our current ui. Also, it should be web based, because then fonts, etc will be right, and also I hate installing things. My previous attempt at explaining this: http://friendfeed.com/e... (Balsamiq is not what I want). It does not need to produce html though, so it can cheat anyway it likes.
- Paul Buchheit
So you wanna something like "html to png/psd"? Editable graphical interface with layers and stuff?
- Selim Yoruk
No, not at all. My point is that you could look at the the FriendFeed ui (with your eyes) and then create something that looked just like it.
- Paul Buchheit
Fireworks is pixel perfect, correct font sizes and previews image in browser. Yes/No?
- Toby Graham
Are you looking for something like what is mentioned in this article - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
- Atul Arora
Are you want something like web-based rich page editor which works with objects in manner the human see them and want change them?
- gmarketer
I guess it's difficult to explain something that doesn't exist :(
- Paul Buchheit
thats piracy!!!
- Arjun
Paul, I like the idea, it's got merit. There's plenty of tools that do half the job, that is, snip the page. The second part, i'm not overly familiar with the tools out there. The manipulation. I guess you could snip the page, and embed into your tool a js library, like scriptaculous, and attach special event significance to the controls/tags, for moving, dropping, dragging.
- Stu Andrews
I think I get what you mean now and I agree. That's not very helpful but hey. In the mean time you could edit the page live using firebug maybe?
- Toby Graham
It seems to me like you want the Visual Studio Win Forms designer for web apps hosted and served to designers as a web app. Drag and drop elements onto the page and adjust their properties in a property grid. Then send a link to others so you can share your concept.
- Eric Schoonover
For this, I use simple vector graphics editing app, like Xara or InkScape - I just make screenshots and use them as raw building blocks - usually I cut out from them small elements like controls/text-blocks/images/etc... In vector graphics enironment managing such kind of blocks is much more easier than in photoshop.
- Phil Smirnov
remembers that this idea has been described by David Siegel in 1997 in his book : Creating Killer Web Sites (http://tinyurl.com/5skw63)
- Oaksun
Paul, i think the edit-page command on ubiquity with the ability to: visually edit css and publish the changes is close to what you are describing.
- Ian
Eric pretty much nailed the description of the dream tool that I think Paul was asking for. In my dream the web app is truly collaborative and has an active GUI. So you can adjust those properties using a mouse or tablet and anyone else on your design team can watch as you do it so they can make suggestions and modifications as you work.
- David Muir
Let's say you want to make a mockup of FriendFeed called "FriendFood". You want it to generally have the same layout, only the top blue bar will actually have a background made of lasagna and a font that is made of French fries, and what shows on the page is everything people write about food on the regular FF, like "pasta OR bean OR potato OR steak". But you'd like someone to be able to do that from the web and without messing into much coding. Is that it?
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I use OmniGraffle for this purpose.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Could you achieve it by using Firebug and tweaking the CSS?
- Shakeel Mahate
So something with the usability of say, omnigraffle, but that only used webkit for its rendering. With text controlled and positioned by actual css so that line spacing etc were correct, although again with a simpler UI than CSS has.
- Robin Barooah
Paul - I _just_ came across a site that did exactly that. Unfortunately, Safari's browser history is failing me and I can't find it anymore. Doh!
- Patrick Lightbody
Paul, not sure if you're still reading, but are you looking for interaction design changes as well, or just appearance?
- Mark Trapp
Did you try "PENCIL" an add-on for Firefox http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/
- Francois Lamotte
I had never heard of Pencil, but it sure looks a lot like what I think Paul is describing.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I use ScrapBook Firefox extension to capture the page as is, and then edit that using Firebug.
- Jughead
Paul, I totally got you first time - anyone who thinks it's not a good idea has plainly misunderstood :-) It's the next step up from sketching out your UI on paper, n'est pas?
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Thanks @Francois. Pencil looks quite promising...
- Ashwin Bharambe
Firefox Webchunks? Does only the snipping part though. Perhaps an add-on to webchunks that will let us use all those chunks together.
- Vamsee
it'd be kind of like pushing edit on a wiki, right. like, firefox would have an edit button then you could visually redo the page
- Coleman Foley
There's also Axure RP, something I found a while ago. http://www.google.com/search...
- Jauder Ho
Dosen't ASP.Net do that already???
- Roberto Bonini
One quick tip in Photoshop is to turn off anti-aliasing and use your various web fonts (Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, etc.) and use your preferred font size in pixels/points... This will provide you with screen accurate font appearances and sizes. The biggest problem with a "pixel-perfect" browser rendering is that it will never be consistent from browser to browser. They all render ever...
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- Nathan Chase
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Vezquex: God of FF
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Her Lindsay-ness
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
Ok, thanks to mspaint running in vmware, here's my Gmail suggest (see http://beta.friendfeed.com/keith...)
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I am honored to be included in your Gmail suggestions.
- Gary Burd
Paul, try Skitch (skitch.com) to take screenshots and edit the images easily. And it's free.
- Diego Barros
Skitch looks pretty nice Diego. Does it support posting images to FriendFeed?
- Paul Buchheit
+! for Skitch. It's one of the best programs I've ever used for any purpose.
- Ted Roden
Can't post to FF from it though. MobileMe, webdav, flickr, sftp, ftp and their own service are the only options. I'd love to see twitpic and FF though.
- Ted Roden
Yeah, I'm continually posting screen-shots. My current process is Command-Shift-4 (on osx), then click "Add: Photos" on FriendFeed, scroll down to the most recent "Picture X" file on my desktop, then double-click that. It would be nice to go direct to FriendFeed.
- Paul Buchheit
With skitch, it's just grab like did. Then "add photos" and drag from the window. No looking around on your desktop or wherever. Still too many steps, but not so bad.
- Ted Roden
I did not know about Cmd-Shift-4. I previously was opening up Preview, File->Grab->Selection, save as PNG, then upload.
- Benjamin Golub
Ben, after Cmd-Shift-4, hit the space bar and you can hover over a window to take a snapshot of the entire window. Doing Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-4 copies the image to the clipboard instead of saving it as a file on your desktop.
- Dan Hsiao
Benjamin, I've found this mac keyboard shortcut cheatsheet helpful: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Micah Wittman
for vista folks, you have built-in Snipping Tool which you can just assign a shortcut key. it's much better than prntscreen and has more options that macos x's cntrl shift 4. but... how many ppl here actually use vista?
- Christopher Chung
use vista and print screen all the time. i completely forgot about the snipping tool
- Elliott
I discovered the snipping tool a few weeks ago and now use that full time :)
- Roberto Bonini
Snipping Tool should be in accessories or something; I read somewhere that earliest versions of Vista may not have it, for some reason. Elliott, use Snipping Tool!
- Christopher Chung
Print Screen and Alt + Print Screen have worked in Windows since at least Win95.
- xero
Paul, you can just drag an image from Skitch. So you can place it on your desktop, for example. In the non-beta version of FriendFeed you can also just drag from Skitch on to the "Browse" button when you're entering a comment and want to add a photo to a FF post. The drag does not work on the FF Beta, because there's no browse button on the page, just the "Add Photo" link. So for the Beta you'd need to save the image by dragging from Skitch to the open file dialog shown when you click "Add Photo".
- Diego Barros
Paul: Still, the process is quick to go from screen shot. Annotate the screenshot (if you wish). To adding it to your FF post.
- Diego Barros
Did you end up trying Skitch, Paul? If so, liked it?
- Diego Barros
No, I haven't tried Skitch yet because I generally just want to take a screenshot and post it on ff, and Cmd-Shift-4 is still the fastest way to do that. If it could post directly to FriendFeed, then I think it would be faster.
- Paul Buchheit
Skitch is awesome. Paul, I would think that you have the power to add Skitch -> FF. =)
- Jauder Ho
I added my skitch feed, but friendfeed won't show images from it. Do we need better metadata standards, or do you want to keep doing per-site hacks, Paul?
- Kevin Marks
MediaRSS works very well Kevin -- I don't think we need a new standard. Skitch doesn't include any media info in their feeds though.
- Paul Buchheit
GMAIL suggestion, lab: how about, in address field, to send dm to Twitter- @dm:<twitteruser>, @tw:(<twitteruser>) to post to Twitter /preset with password/, @fb:(<facebookuser>), etc ... its the new age, right? :]
- Petr Buben
We will be adding MediaRSS info to our feeds for skitch.com for sure. We were not aware this was needed or that was the correct thing to add for images to display in friendfeed. Paul, What kind of direct 'post to friendfeed' is recommended however? (btw, thanks for the heads up on this thread Kevin Marks and Chris Messina!)
- Cris Pearson
Ah, so I assumed MediaRSS could be an extension to atom, which is what we currently support. Should we scrap atom and use RSS + MediaRSS extension? Also, how can skitch become an option in the presented 'add service' UI? :)
- Cris Pearson
re: Gmail Lab Suggest More Recipients ..... well, good... now, how about, Suggest what they will reply with, and, most importantly, am I going to like it?? .. but, that is already a different story ... :]
- Petr Buben
how about now, also for FriendFeed the same, "suggest you might want to post to these groups also" .. ... :-:]
- Petr Buben
Bret is demoing the new FriendFeed ui
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- Paul Buchheit
Hey there
- Bret Taylor
Hey, this is cool
- Bret Taylor
Or a like
- Paul Buchheit
Hey
- Casey Muller
Hello from FriendFeed East Coast HQ!
- Benjamin Golub
YOU ARE A GIANT TEASE.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
how do i look?
- MG Siegler
Ho from the FFundercats!
- Josh Haley
Hello! :)
- Alvin Lai
Can you hear me?
- Jim Norris
Howdy howdy howdy!
- Matt Cutts
The new FriendFeed looks exactly like the old one. Nothing to see here.
- Louis Gray
stop it now, stop it!
- Jim Hearts FF
Bring it!
- Chris Baskind
Watching these on bret's demo
- Thomas Hawk
It's only fun if you live-blog it with secret screen caps!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The Cavs are playing the Wizards!
- Mona Nomura
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video or it didn't happen ;)
- timepilot
timepilot++++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I love FF! </generic comment>
- Mo Kargas
# this is a comment
- directeur
this is torture
- Russ Jackson
^o^ [woot!]
- April Buchheit
This is very unfair!
- Andrew
I love the new FriendFeed!
- Rachel Lea Fox
look at me!!!
- Jesse Stay
I see Jesse
- Rachel Lea Fox
Hi Rachel!
- Jesse Stay
anyone what to pony up there predictions on what changes are coming?
- Russ Jackson
Hi Bret, hi Paul. How's things?
- Derrick
...and doing a great job, btw. :)
- April Buchheit
wait, when we comment do you see us over some secret webcam script or something? If so, O HAI! *waves*
- Josh Haley
is this a complete overhaul of the UI? I hate when sites do that. Minor changes at a time a can handle. Think Facebook's first version to the previous version they had and the outcry. For some reason, I trust FF to do a better job redesigning a UI than FB :P
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
*wonders how many GreaseMonkeys will break* O_O
- Micah Wittman
@Micah, none should break.
- Louis Gray
We need a countdown clock...
- Johnny Worthington
Gracias, Louis. Working on a new one ~ under emborgo [sic] right here :()
- Micah Wittman
wait wha??
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
curious and excited!
- vijay
Glad you aren't teasing us with promises of even shinier things!
- WorldofHiglet
Will this include an iPhone overhaul?
- Johnny Worthington
Wanna throw in a vote for a native iPhone app as long as we're on the subject of UI.
- vijay
well as long as we're on that topic....native Android app? Please? with sugar ontop? No? how about bacon? :P
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I second the native android app.
- Russ Jackson
+ 1 for native iPhone app please
- Patrick Jordan
Good :)
- Bwana ☠
Build the buzz. Love it!!!!
- Charlie Anzman
awesome .. can't wait
- Jay
Don't tase me, bro!
- Alex Scoble
Screenshots or it didn't happen.
- Rochelle
Wow, Iove how you have incoporated track, realtime, and more context to the conversation. This is awesome! Way to go guys!
- Christian Burns
Paul: I just realized I forgot to drop off my 3D glasses on the way out. Do I need to return them or will this same set work once things go live?
- Ken Sheppardson
a comment
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
What did I miss?
- AJ Kohn
tease!
- Brandon
AJ: you missed the new friendfeed feature called "stun." And a few others, too! Can't show you them until Monday morning, though. I have more than an hour's worth of video to get up from what they showed us. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
I think they said it was ok to post the video now! :)
- Jay Neff
Jay: nice try! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Can the new UI be implemented in such a way that Europe automatically gets it at 00:01am on Friday morning, local time? CET
- Richard A.
Go Friendfeed! You are making the weekend wait a torture :-)
- Martin Añazco
I want to see the new UI now...
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
no more tease!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
So excited about new product redesign being released on Monday - can't wait!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Lol, I got a leaked screenshot of new FriendFeed :) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Alp
what?
- Tony
Is there an easy way to take screenshots in an Android phone? I want to show how it's randomly scrambling favicons in the bookmarks dialog.
If you have the SDK, the "ddms" app can do it. (Not sure if that works on a non-root device.)
- ⓞnor
I actually took photos of my device. It's been reported though, and the team tells me it's "fixed" with the next update...
- Jennie Lin
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Hack of Palin e-mail makes case for sticking with .gov account - http://arstechnica.com/news...
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"A hacker claiming affiliation with the group Anonymous has broken into GOP vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin's Yahoo e-mail account, subsequently posting the account password to an online chat forum. Information from the hacked account, including screenshots of several individual e-mails, a pair of family photographs, Palin's contact list, and header information from her inbox, were posted on the site Wikileaks earlier Wednesday. The break-in comes amid controversy over the Alaska governor's use of the Yahoo e-mail account for state business. Internal documents obtained by reporters allegedly show Palin staffers discussing the possibility of using unofficial channels, such as personal e-mail accounts, as a means of evading subpoenas and requests under the state's open records law targeting her official account."
- Paul Buchheit
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Very odd that Anonymous claimed responsibility. Anonymous has spent most of their time focused on the Scientology.
- Greg
From what I've seen, Anonymous ISN'T claiming responsibility. The person who sent the screencaps to Wikileaks claimed to be with Anonymous, but every Anonymous board I checked said they had nothing to do with it. They really are pretty loose-knit, and anyone can join, but it definitely wasn't planned or something the "group" as a whole is claiming credit for.
- Cyndy
Gregory, it was a non-published email account and they simply GUESSED her password. Good case for using secure passwords as well.
- Cyndy
Cyndy: Yeah, my wife snorted when the news referred to it as "hacking". Someone probably just typed "trig4ever" into the password field and away they went.
- Roger Benningfield
I think they guessed the answers to security questions and set a new password.
- Joel
I just attempted a reset of mine, and, since I'm not a complete and utter git, use a password reset question that isn't searchable. One would ASSUME a public figure would as well, but then again, we know what happens when we assume.
- Cyndy
Microsoft Enviroment video reveals datacenter server numbers and power consumption? - istartedsomething - http://www.istartedsomething.com/2008081...
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Apparently Microsoft only has about 200,000 servers. (and Hotmail only 20,000)
- Paul Buchheit
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Apparently Gmail had more, didn't it?
- Alex Kapranoff
Who let them to take those screenshots :D ?
- Harun Baris Bulut
How old is this? Who knows hows Chicago doing!??
- Jigar Mehta
It should be from Jan 2008.
- Ionut
Didn't Google Calendar have just 113? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google...
- Tony Ruscoe
How many does Google have?
- Ian
is it really 113 ? then google receives a big WOW from me :D
- Harun Baris Bulut
Even Google Reader had around 200 servers one year ago.
- Ionut
@Harun: I said *had* 113. That was almost two years ago and it's wasn't confirmed.
- Tony Ruscoe
If this is accurate, each server consumes ~490W on average. Also 8 machines / rack. So these are pretty conventional data centers (~30A / rack) , holding pretty big machines.
- Sanjeev Singh
The Evolution of Pre-Launch Gmail In Screenshots - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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I'm so glad that these screenshots have survived and (sort of) been released. I wish the content weren't blurred though -- I'm pretty sure it wasn't super-personal or anything -- I was usually careful to avoid that. It would also be nice to have the actual screenshots instead of photos of screenshots.
- Paul Buchheit
We should ask Keith if we can get real screenshots since they've made them available for photographing anyhow.
- Kevin Fox
I'd love to see the pre-release logos TechCrunch blurred out. Would that violate some policy?
- Voyagerfan5761
crossing fingers that the real screenshots make their way onto FF
- Adam Kazwell
I love how they started off looking like other web-based mail readers and then quickly moved to the trademark UI. Very, very neat.
- jakebf
This is great! All of those interface changes were crazy!
- Brandon Titus
The logos were just random placeholders (such as the trout, which wasn't blurred out for some reason). They really weren't particularly interesting or meaningful.
- Paul Buchheit
I think Gmail has always been missing something since it eliminated the trout...
- Chris Reed
There are great, especially given what Kevin said in Philipp's recent interview about not being able to discuss what Gmail looked like before release. Now, the trout... does that have any relation to TroutBoard.com? ;-)
- Tony Ruscoe
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Yes, I was inspired by the "Trout Farm" in eXistenZ
- Paul Buchheit
i like some of these layouts better than the current one :)
- Tim Hoeck
Trout, fail whales, something's fishy.
- Alex Haar
lol@Alex :D
- Voyagerfan5761
very cool
- john conroy
Paul -- another Cronenberg fan! Glad to know there are a few of us oddballs out there.
- Phil G
I'm being honest when I say "inspiring"... I've built some homemade Intranet stuff at work and I love to see the evolution of the design. I want to go back and redesign everything now! Fantastic stuff.
- Vince DeGeorge
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