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I'm looking for a non-affiliated site to be a repository my open courseware. However, there doesn't seem to be any of them. Any suggestions?
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@sebpaquet suggested @howardrheingold 's social media classroom, however, I'm looking for a place that is the open courseware equivalent of github. Independent, has a variety of topics (not just social media).
- Christopher Allen
Have you looked at Connexions? http://cnx.org/
- Seb Paquet
There might be OpenOCW too - http://openocw.ed.usu.edu/
- Seb Paquet
OK, think I hit paydirt. http://wikieducator.org/OER_Han...
- Seb Paquet
So, what did you pick?
- Seb Paquet
Citizen Science online?
Jim Craig, Pierre Lindenbaum, Richard Akerman and 14 other people liked this
Cameron is interested in FriendFeed examples: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Bora Zivkovic
To submit an article here: http://jcom.sissa.it/call
- Bora Zivkovic
Is there an example of "citizen science" on FF? Not scientists collaborating, but non-scientists or amateur scientists pulling data about some aspect of nature together here?
- Bora Zivkovic
Related to that (and that can be a separate submission to the same issue of the journal), what are the online social networks that put together data collected by amateur scientists?
- Bora Zivkovic
I am aware of a few projects, for instance:
- Bora Zivkovic
Using Twitter to collect data on fish catch: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
There is GalaxyZoo: https://www.galaxyzoo.org/
- Bora Zivkovic
Then, The USA National Phenology Network: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
A number of naturalist sites http://scienceblogs.com/clock... including iNaturalist: http://inaturalist.org/
- Bora Zivkovic
Darwin Core: http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki...
- Bora Zivkovic
Faunapolis: http://faunapolis.org/
- Bora Zivkovic
Scratchpads: http://scratchpads.eu/
- Bora Zivkovic
Are the Christmas Bird Count and Backyard Bird Count social: http://www.birdsource.org/
- Bora Zivkovic
Are the SETI data collected somewhere for everyone to see?
- Bora Zivkovic
any other examples?
- Bora Zivkovic
Wow - a great collection of projects here: http://www.thetakeaway.org/stories...
- Bora Zivkovic
Bluebells! http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-...
- Karen James
Metagenome Annotation Using a Distributed Grid of Undergraduate Students http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlser...
- Karen James
Nature's calendar http://www.naturescalendar.org.uk/
- Karen James
Stargazing, from all longitudes: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatc...
- Bora Zivkovic
Grassroots Science: An Article Wishlist For The Journal of Scientific Communication: http://www.scientificblogging.com/run_and...
- Bora Zivkovic
Bioweathermap Initiative: www.bioweathermap.org
- Jason Bobe
The eBiosphere Real-Time Citizen Science Challenge! http://spire.umbc.edu/ebio/
- Bora Zivkovic
I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but there's a DIY Biology google group that's pretty active.
- Mr. Gunn
Not sure if this is related to the one Karen posted (about 8 posts up): http://www.greatsunflower.org/ (Sunflower bee project) Also not sure if it's what you're looking for.
- Steve Koch
(It was linked on friendfeed a couple months ago.)
- Steve Koch
More on eBio: http://openresearch.sebpaquet.net/2009...
- Seb Paquet
The Twitter/fish-catch study has been published: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
Also, there was a session on Citizen Science at the Science Online London earlier today - does anyone have a good transcript/blogpost about that session?
- Bora Zivkovic
In a few weeks time, I'll be appearing as a guest on Science Hour with Dr Kiki http://www.kirstensanford.com/ to talk about citizen science. This to me seems like an appropriate thread on FF to mention during the show. I'll update the thread once a date has been formally scheduled for the show which like the last one http://is.gd/2UPZk, will be broadcast live on the web.
- Graham Steel
That is fantastic, Graham. Keep us posted.
- Bora Zivkovic
Open Dinosaur Project: http://opendino.wordpress.com/
- Jason Bobe
A FriendFeed group: http://friendfeed.com/citizen...
- Bora Zivkovic
Well spotted.
- Graham Steel
New Blog Post: I'm embarrassed, upset and sad by those trending topic tweets! Does a race have a brand? http://socialwayne.com/2009...
Seb Paquet, vrjbln, Anthony Citrano and 14 other people liked this
Excellent. If you remember, last year, I needed to get rid of my Blogging While Brown ticket and you hooked me up with Corvida. I think this is a topic that the BWB conference would love to have presented.
- Admiral Anika
thanks, sorry I couldn't make it to Blogging While Brown the last 2 years
- Wayne Sutton
Neither could I. Still, I think Gina would appreciate a panel on this. I'll forward her the link.
- Admiral Anika
Yeah, I was suppose to and asked to go this year but I couldn't make it. Thanks
- Wayne Sutton
Good read, although I honestly feel like you are being a little nice. Still...good read.
- Reggie L.
I'm with you brother. Nice post. I'll RT it too.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Thanks, I really try to stay away from talking about race or anything controversial but oh well.
- Wayne Sutton
as i commented on Anika's post of this piece, I can't believe something like this got further on Twitter than a few ignorant people. I used to think the Twitter community was, by and large, a more aware subset than most. I guess that aspect shrinks as the Twitter populace grows.
- edythe
I don't keep up with the trending topics often, but this is ridiculous. I hate people sometimes. That's about as deep as I can get.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I TOTALLY agree with you on this. I'm SO sick of the pointless trending topics that I've been ignoring them. So I didn't even know this was going on til reading your post. This is very sad indeed.
- ChaCha Fance
That is an interesting question something that Wayne and i have talked about over the course of my short life on Twitter almost 1 year in 2 weeks it will be 1 year. I am iluvblackwomen on twitter along with whatblkmenthink, kulturefirst, urbanlitreview and other Black oriented Brands. I make money marketing strictly to African Americans and i have Major Black Brands for whom i manage...
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- iluvblackwomen
Really strong writing Wayne. Seriously.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks Jay
- Wayne Sutton
So FriendFeed's growth is flat, why do you think that is and how do you think that could be improved?
Fake Name, Nilesh, Seb Paquet and 30 other people liked this
It's a shame that FF is not growing yet has all better features over the likes of Twitter and Facebook but what is causing the lack of growth and what could be done to increase growth in FriendFeed?
- Kol Tregaskes
FF is too much work. Consumes time, needs a lot of effort and most people are happy with one-to-one than one-to many interactions. Twitter wins.
- vijay
FriendFeed fits in a space in between Twitter and Facebook. There is very little reason to join FF if you are already using both Twitter and FB.
- Daniel Sims
Is it down to 'missing' features? Is the poor introduction for new users to blame?
- Kol Tregaskes
Also what Daniel said.
- vijay
Daniel, I did. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Vijay, yeah it can be pretty complicated for the new user, how would you make is simpler?
- Kol Tregaskes
if you make it any simpler it becomes twitter. Only way to go is to get users to replace their Blogs with FF. I think that's what they are working towards.
- vijay
Vijay, you meant for writing your own blog articles? Yep, that would be great. All I'd really need it a few HTML options in the first comment to do this. Nothing too fancy. Then I could blog from FF, embed it on my site and everything is synced, comments and all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Svartling, I've done the same thing also.
- Ashikur Rahman
I think what needs to be done is have a clear "walk-through" example of setting up one's full social media life on FriendFeed. It's a great box of toys for exploring and tinkering -- but trust me, new users will be quite daunted at first unless they have some hand-holding
- Ashikur Rahman
It only targets content producers
- Genaro Bardy
Ashikur, I see this all the time as I seek out new users to welcome them each day. A lot post their first entry as "what do I do now?". Once new users have completed the registration process they are put on friendfeed.com with no other explanation. A nice Flash anim is needed here to show the new user the basic features of the service.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF should go all the way and become a fully-featured Twitter client. People will join and stay for that, then eventually fall in love with FF. Right now, FF's integration with Twitter is just half-way done and causes more confusion.
- Daniel Sims
Make it a fully-featured Twitter client with better blogging functionality.
- Svartling
If I could import my non-FF Twitter friends, keep it refreshed if I unfollow them and swap them to FF users if they join, then I'd use FF as my Twitter client. But the likes of Seesmic Desktop provide all sorts of useful features like RT and tabs for replies for multiple Twitter accounts and DMs.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF requires more time to enjoy. Many of the features are probably difficult for new visitors to see or find. The interface may be overwhelming and it may be a bit too "Zen" in appearance for most people. People used to Twitter may find it harder to connect to others (they may find the lack of @ replies as a communication hurdle). The API isn't exploited as widely as Twitter's. Mobile...
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- phil baumann
FF hasn't gotten the buzz Twitter has. It's seems harder to find like minded people on FF. Maybe, I just don't know how to do it. I love the pictures and the ability to have real conversations. I hate 140 character rule of Twitter. Twitter more people are just talking. Not as many listeners. Lots of marketers and life coaches on Twitter. Don't like that. I like "rooms" on FF. I like...
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- Kimber Scott
Kimber, absolutely agree with you.
- Ashikur Rahman
What I dont like is to properly track watch my friends, I have to follow FF, twiter, and facebook.
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
Kimber, interesting points there. Twitter is definitely a broadcast tool whereas FF is a discussion tool.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have noticed with friends that FF requires some usage on the part of the individual, so it's a hard sell and steep learning curve that way. Most of my friends I introduce here see a relatively blank page, with just my posts. They're timid to subscribe, and thus see a really whitewashed space.
- anna sauce
Anna, agree about it being a hard-sell. I think the email features should be plugged more. I think there is a big market of users that I used to emails and know nothing about social media beyond Facebook. I'm trying to tempt a few friends onto FF via the email features, to them it's a matter of registration then emailing me to a different address. Eventually they may move onto the site and use all the regular features.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think FF is too much for people new to social media I don't know. I think the realtime thing kinda pushed a lot of people away as well. I'm finding myself finding more people I'd rather interact with on Twitter and Facebook than FF. Discussions are nice, but they are time consuming. For anyone with a job that doesn't allow them to be online, a family to take care, a house to take care...
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I'd also like to see it pushed as a collaborative tool. It works really well in this sense. Businesses could use FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Another thing that bothers me on FF is a user issue, but I think with some encouragement from FF is could be improved: There are too many blank profiles. People should be encouraged to say 'something.' It takes a lot of work to see if you want to follow somebody, if they have a blank profile. Also, private feeds are so off putting. I know they should be an option, but it's very hard to...
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- Kimber Scott
from email
Personally I like the rate of growth, after all a good wine needs time to reach its full potential.
- Kevin J Hatton
Heh, Kevin. I'm not after Twitter or FB like growth but any growth would be nice. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Some of it is habit. And herding behavior. If their friends use it, then they want to. Maybe FF should be all about quality rather than quantity. I stepped through many people to help them start up. Showed them how to use the bookmarklet. None of them wanted to use it. It's a new technology in its own right. Sometimes peeps are just set in their ways?
- Marg Uerite
Peeps have to have a certain level of computer literacy sophistication, just to appreciate it!
- Marg Uerite
Kimber, the user settings page is presented to new users when they register but the description is only optional. I'd like to see an explanation of how and the benefits to why to fill in this be displayed with the tutorial.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, exactly what I was thinking - a little education will solve so many issues.
- Kimber Scott
from BuddyFeed
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
FriendFeed needs to think through its use cases, & survey users for their preferences between them. Examples are FF as feed reader (needs a "Subscribe to this blog" bookmarklet), or the FF as Twitter client++ mentioned above by several people, which I'm also big on. Then, once decided, make it clear for new users through usage videos, UI "obviousness" improvements, etc. how it works....
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- Alex Schleber
the main reason why friendfeed doesnt catch fire is its lack of complete profiles...i cant search for people from munich,...or from my schools, etc, etc,... FAIL
- Chris Hofmann
Good point, Chris!
- Ashikur Rahman
from iPod
... and, why do I have to go all the way up to the start of a conversation to comment? Especially when it's a long one?
- Ashikur Rahman
from iPod
Chris makes a very good point and so does Ashikur. No complete profiles. On FB you can pretty much trust that the person is a real person by looking at the profile, you get a sense of community, you can find people you know, or used to know, etc., etc. Ashikur's point should be very easy to fix.
- Kimber Scott
from email
Mass media is driving twitter adoption nothing else.
- Geoff Schultz
Odd, isn't it. Traditional media pushing the latest "new media" trend.
- Jason Nunnelley
Having just switched over to using Friendfeed for all my social networking, I can say that making this a full-featured Twitter client would bring more people in. Once here they'd realize that's not what it's really about. But the halfway method that exists now is a major deterrent.
- John Ladd
Kol, IMHO: 1) The barrier to entry increases with the character limit and inversely to the photo count. 2) Let's face it, the biggest differentiation from twitter is not comments (twitter has @ replies) or the better search (although, that's big) or attachments (twitter has 3rd parties for that) -- the differentiation is groups, yet the process of finding a group is still pretty awful (by searching - the results are cluttered at best) or non-obvious (by clicking on someone's subscribers and scrolling down).
- tollie williams
The easiest thing about FF is the aggregation. The harder elements at first are saved searches and building up new friends on FF. overcome these two harder elements and it should move better.
- George Hall (Australia)
from BuddyFeed
We all need to be hiding more people
- Charlie Anzman
biggest reason is publicity. no Oprah, no plusk. no MarkZ.
- MikeAmundsen
Better RSS reading-support would be great - I use FF instead of GReader now for simplicitiy but it's not ideal. Searchable profiles too. Searching by location would be great. I'd love to sub to more people in the UK, London or even locally in Kent but that's hard unless that stated they are from that place or join a local-based group.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ashikur, yeah little, basic things like that are still missing.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a "complete profile" what would you like to see included?
- Kol Tregaskes
Should FF should status updates, e.g. on our profiles?
- Kol Tregaskes
tollie, agree that group search results need a lot of work, what would you like to see on such searches? Number of subscribers, group description?
- Kol Tregaskes
George, how could FF overcome those two issues?
- Kol Tregaskes
Read FriendFeed Feedback, there's loads of ideas there...
- Marlin Forbes
Marlin, what suggestions have you seen in FF-Feedback that you think would help FF in growing?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, Re: improving group search. I think the Find groups page should look a lot like WeFollow.com, except where WeFollow has category titles, FF should be organizing the groups by "Most (subscribed/active) among (friends/everyone) (today/this week/this quarter/this year/all time)."
- tollie williams
(Yes, that's 2*2*5=20 possible groups. But you would design it to show 3 categories, with the switches I put in parenthesis as interface elements.)
- tollie williams
Oh, and I forgot to say: the text visible should be "subscribers", but clicking on the INFO button would reveal the group's description and an estimated activity count (similar to the new subscriber emails- "about 10 posts a day" eg).
- tollie williams
We don't tolerate trolls. Hence, flat.
- Steven Perez
Steve's point is most likely it. Trolls don't have an outlet here, which limits traffic to truely useful and entertaining content, rather than purely emotionally focused content. FF may have uncovered one of the core reasons for lack of traffic on any social site, in tandem with xkcd's "someone is wrong on the internet": users empowered to effectively ignore trolls limits rate of growth.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
Turn FriendFeed into an embedded comment system and information stream for websites. Make the fact that it's a widget less obvious, replace the commenting system of the host. Host the conversation outside of FF, and bring it back.
- Marlin Forbes
Post, Kimber added you as a friend on Goodreads. We need you to confirm that you are, in fact, friends with Kimber. To confirm this friend request, follow the below link: http://www.goodreads.com/friend... &utm_medium=email&utm_source=invite - Kimber (kimberscott.art@gmail.com)
- پـرستووو
from email
Interesting idea, Marlin.
- Kol Tregaskes
It's almost impossible to be a 'casual' friendfeed user. You either go all in and comment like crazy and spend A LOT of time reading and posting and being witty, and if you're really good you might start to get some subscribers. If you don't invest a lot of time, you don't get anything out of it and your feed sits in obscurity with very little social interaction and you wonder whats the...
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- veo
I agree with veo, and with anna http://friendfeed.com/friendf... it happened the same to me when I joined. I thought it was just another MyBlogLog.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
..which reminds me, ff needs to adopt @reply model to be more engaging. :/
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
I think it just needs to be more traditional. Comments start out very compact in my monitor here. Very unlike a forum and has tinier fonts. The post also feels too grayed out. The rest could be improved by discovery. Related posts like blogs. Better integration of services. Finally better unification of comments from all the things it aggregates. For ex. Posterous really won me over...
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- Fake Name
@daveman692 re: buried in email: gmail's filters are your friend. Remember @cshirky "It's not information overload. It's filter failure."
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Academic Evolution: The Open Scholar - http://www.academicevolution.com/2009...
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Apart from the existing, resisting structures I also still see a lack of easy to use solutions. And easy to use it has to be, because otherwise scientists will feel they waste some of their precious time. I for my part don't have the time and/or the knowledge to go out there and program a wiki with all the desired functionalities a modern electronic lab notebook has. Who does?
- Oliver Schuster
If you don't need sophisticated permission options a regular wiki is as simple to use as paper.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I'm not sure it's that simple, Jean-Claude, because a regular wiki will succumb quickly to entropy if it's not well thought through from the start and occasionally reorganized. I think this fits with Oliver's point: it takes skull-sweat and real work to make a general-purpose tool like a wiki operate as well as a specialized tool like an e-lab-notebook.
- D0r0th34
We've been using a simple wiki as a lab notebook for 3 years and it has met all of our needs so far. Of course we link to other tools like Google Spreadsheets, JSpecView and ChemSpider but the core "notebook" functionality works extremely well. Yes, the PI and other stakeholders need to go in there and maintain order and comment but that won't disappear if you use any other tool.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Well. I want first and foremost an interactive reaction scheme. At the moment it's a hassle. I dont want to export it from ChemDraw and find out it's wrong and then I have to do it again. And if I go through the hassle of drawing structures on the computer (which IS slowish) I want the molecular mass and sum formula calculated automatically. And if I change equivalents or mass or...
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- Oliver Schuster
Another thing is spectra, chromatograms and such. I dont want to export and upload them. Every analytic machine needs a client that makes the spectra available, e.g. by uploading to a central database or just by a webserver. And if you use the right identifier on all computers, the notebook will we updated and interlinked automatically: "6:36 *** 13C-NMR recorded". THEN we would be talking. At the moment it's just faster to print everything and stack it in piles on my desk.
- Oliver Schuster
If you are interested in automatic lookup of MW, density and related calculations to plan chemistry experiments I think calling web services from within Google Spreadsheets (or whatever you prefer) is a versatile way to go. Rajarshi Guha built these for us in the past (see http://rguha.wordpress.com/2008... and the spreadsheet image at...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
Concerning streamlining spectra, you can do much better than paper already without any automation at all. My students simply export their NMR spectra to the open JCAMP-DX format and drop them in a folder on our server running the OS JSpecView. That lets us expand and integrate any regions without losing resolution at any point in the future - and no paper. Plus we have web services can...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
Traditional scholars are open minded but encounter communication and collaboration limits. Printed articles were embraced because they help address these issues, and digital formats hold the same promise.
- Mike Chelen
update: Rajarshi has just updated the chemistry info spreadsheet web services http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... Just type the common name for the chemical and the number of millimoles and it gives you mg and if possible microliters
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I do see that all this is possible in principle, but it is far from easy. And my point was that as long as it's not easy, people won't do it. Concerning the spectra, it does not help if NMR works easyish but the rest of my data still needs fiddling around. It's all or nothing! I feel like I am in need for as many computer science students as chemistry students...
- Oliver Schuster
Thanks for the spreadsheet, Rajarshi!
- Oliver Schuster
Until there is a distributed social interchange protocol which allows us to have a local client tool taking a backup of all our interactions, we will have this uncertainty that our writings and interactions can vanish overnight, with bad luck, bankrupcies or whatever.
Ahsan Ali aka. Slick, James Furlo, Maitani and 20 other people liked this
i have no control over my comments in friendfeed, if someone deletes their main post my comments vanish
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
sites I bookmark can of course disappear - some bookmarking systems say they take cache copies (diigo, yahoo, others?), but it is not systematic, and I have no control over their policy. After lycos' tripod went offline, i found out that diigo had not taken cache copies of those pages I had bookmarked.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Have you checked out http://activitystrea.ms, Joelle?
- Ken Sheppardson
some of the things I wrote in friendfeed I always intended to go back, take out and craft into a post. Now I notice it is near impossible to find them again, and of course if friendfeed goes away...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
ken: no I hadn't - enlighten us :)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Chris Messina does a much better job of explaining it than I can :-) http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
- Ken Sheppardson
ok, you're off the hook!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I think my comments actually get backed up by backtype, though I'm not sure. I'm gonna check. Yes, checkout my profile here: http://www.backtype.com/meryn
- Meryn Stol
webapps are going to have to be a lot more clear about their retention policies, their exit paths for data
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
From last June -- "By marking up social activities and social objects, delivered in standard feeds with microformats, I think we enable anyone to run a FriendFeed-like service that innovates and offers value based on how well it understands what’s going on and what’s relevant, rather than on its compatibility with any and every service." http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
- Ken Sheppardson
...so true. it would be nice to have a desktop app that could manage this.
- .LAG liked that
Ken ...cool. that's good knowledge.
- .LAG liked that
I'm wondering whether friendfeed would authorize a respectful app which uses their API to do a trickle backup of foaf information as well as some form of feed backup - although as far as I see it it is only a small amount of my interactions I really want to mark up for future safekeeping, rather than the whole thing. Shouldnt be too hard to do on top of their python library. Not sure...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
ah, it's loosely realted to DiSo then - not heard anything on the Diso front for so long! That is exactly the kind of approach needed - DiSo, Wave, OpenID, OpenSocial - overlapping pieces out of which the right ecosystem might develop
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Yup
- Ken Sheppardson
Pubsub would work well as a channel over which to suck our data out. Everything we do could be pubbed and a backup service could sub for it and store it away. Though the data lacks something without the richness of the UI interpreting it.
- Todd Hoff
Joelle, DISO hasn't got much momentum as of yet. People are to spoiled with centralized services. Maybe now, its spirit comes back - perhaps under another name. (openff?)
- Meryn Stol
Todd, the UI isn't rocket science. The hardest problem is having fast communication between the various nodes.
- Meryn Stol
I guess that's why Joelle said interchange protocol. Otherwise there's no definition for things like likes, posts, comment threads, profiles, URL shortener services, images, etc etc.
- Todd Hoff
I'd say users are way to accustomed to thinking of "services" as a web UI on top of a local data store. The current approach, i.e. "The service you liked went away and you can't use the UI you're familiar with to access some set of data? Oh well, time to learn a new UI and move the data" needs to get shaken up a bit. I should be able to pick/develop whatever method of creating and viewing data works best for the way I think, and access whatever content I have rights to.
- Ken Sheppardson
Perhaps we need to go back to thinking of "clients" on top of data caches, even if the "client" is a web app. Seesmic is a good example here: a web-based client that sits on top of a Twitter+Facebook data cache.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, yes. But in the end, the best data cache is a distributed one I think. The first step to get massive adoption for a new piece of software is to make it actually compatible with the existing Twitter and FriendFeed networks of course. You don't want to wait for organic growth. FF didn't grow that well organically either. Especially full Twitter compatibility is important for broad adoption.
- Meryn Stol
I'm thinking of a "cache" more like the literal local cache behind your web brower that stores content you've already seen... or pre-loads content you're about to view... the purpose of which is simply to improve the efficiency (i.e. reduce latency) of the client. As with the browser, the real "data store" is the web itself, but instead of dealing with HTML files, we're slinging around little XML snippets and JSON objects.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, you say "Seesmic is a good example here: a web-based client that sits on top of a Twitter+Facebook data cache." - How did you mean that then? You mean they have some data abstraction layer above the Twitter and Facebook API? A kind of abstraction layer makes sense. For such a big service, of course it makes sense to cache data they have taken from Twitter or Facebook. Ideally, clients that runs on the same server would have access to the same local cache.
- Meryn Stol
I meant cache of Twitter+Facebook data, sorry. What'd be slick is a system of connectors of sorts that take data via each system's native API (i.e. tweets, Facebook status updates, comments on FF or Google Reader), translates them into a standard format (e.g. activitystrea.ms) and dumps them into some big web-wide, federated pool. Fan it out via pubsub, let nodes filter stuff out and present it in whatever format the users of that nodes wants to present.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like your thinking Ken. Indeed, we need to work towards something like you describe. One world, many different "views", ways of interacting. Actually a bit like the MVC philosophy I'd say. Model contains all social data, views are the clients. Controller makes sure the clients can update the model and vice-versa. But, you have to translate it to web technologies... Easier said than done. :)
- Meryn Stol
open standards, distributed nodes, interoperable and agnostic front ends and back ends - you called me idealist for outlining this, and now you're there yourself :D Of course it presents a problem - I have a bias against bandwagons, a natural "once something is getting dominant value and quality get lost in the rush" type mistrust. What do I do when this one becomes a bandwagon, jump off like I have always done or try to play along?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
That's quite a big question Joelle. Maybe discuss in some other thread?
- Meryn Stol
"open standards, distributed nodes, interoperable and agnostic front ends and back ends" -- in other words, email ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
kind of, but updated for the real time, semantic, multi media, asymmetric, group sharing world (email standards are monsters and nearly nothing implements them correctly, lets stay away from that kind of muddle!)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
geeky puns are the win!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Email is really just as real-time. The path looks like: sending MUA → MSA → sending MTA → receiving MTA → MDA → Mailstore for retrieval by MUA. In practice since these functions are often collapsed, it's really the same path as any other message.
- Todd Hoff
it is time to start work on reliable/robust "home server" aka extended NAS - to carry on that job without reliance on 3rd party service
- A.T.
email as service? with 78% of email traffic being spam? what you were smoking recently, guys?
- A.T.
There are things in the email architecture that are interesting, that was all. Just like the NNTP or jabber XCCD or irc - how they deal with a loose confederation of nodes, deal with some being offline at times, deal with "catching up" when a node comes back up, and how it still feels like one service at the top (most people assume their email and their friends' email are one service)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
most every respectful service has an RSS/Atom feed. a custom feed retriever + a VCS should store everything you and your friends do, in the sequence they are doing it. in more stubborn cases, the retriever might parse raw html to scavenge bits not coming to the RSS. this all may run on your home machine or on a trusted third-party server. then, backup your VCS repository offsite, encrypted, and you're all set. time to recollect how often do you read your logs 5 or 10 years old. (I do this once in a while.)
- 9000
Run your own Usenet server?
- Bruce Lewis
Also, if you started or answered a thread in Friendfeed, there seems to be not a way to get updated via email - like if somebody answered your post.
- TrafficBug
@trafficbug check settings->notifications
- Michael Bravo
from IM
recursion - Google Search - http://www.google.com/search...
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Science 2.0: What every scientist needs to know about how the web is changing the way they work - http://scienceblogs.com/confess...
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how can you miss this omg?! SO JEALOUS and would love to be there.
- D0r0th34
Sadly, I'll be hundreds of kilometers away at the cottage we rent during the summer. Wait, that's happily, not sadly. Anyway, it's just not going to work out.
- John Dupuis
argh how can you STAND it, though?
- D0r0th34
[Pssst. Dorothea? You are probably not helping. ;) ]
- s t e v e
Well, the whole staying married incentive is helping me come to terms with it ;-)
- John Dupuis
Um, sorry to do this, but it really should be a lot of fun. Fuhgedabout the speakers (who is this Nielsen guy, anyway?), the audience already signed up is absolutely awesome, too - http://science20.eventbrite.com/. Starting to get the unconference itch. Sorry you won't be there, although I guess that if the cottage calls.. :-)
- Michael Nielsen
No worries, Michael. I'd love to be there but sometimes the timing doesn't work. Of course, one of the fun parts of my summer vacation is spending a few days at the World SF Convention in Montreal, which will be a blast. BTW, none of the names look familiar -- are there any York people registered? I'll send something to the science faculty listserv and hopefully it'll get some interest.
- John Dupuis
Haven't noticed any York people. It'd be great if you could send it to the list. There are a bunch of SciBarCampers (Mark Tovey, Paul Bloore, Jamie McQuay, Robin Blume-Kohout and more) who you probably know.
- Michael Nielsen
How do people find Google Docs?
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I've only fooled around with it on test files, but am considering using it for a large project. Anybody have any major gotchas to report? Or does it work well?
- Michael Nielsen
I really like it. I use it almost exclusively for word processing, although I haven't used it for a large project yet. Detailed formatting can be a bit wonky and largish files can be slow to load. The sharing and collaborative features also work very well.
- John Dupuis
Thanks, John. How large can the files get before you start to notice the speed?
- Michael Nielsen
Search the web? Oh right, I see what you mean :) I like it a lot, my colleagues at work hate it. One of their issues is lack of features - especially citation/bibliography - as compared with their word processors. Their other issues are too numerous and depressing to mention :)
- Neil Saunders
Install Gears so you can have offline access too.
- Paulo Nuin
Neil: heh. (And thanks for the comments, they're very helpful!) The spectrum of opinions on Docs online seems to range from utter hatred to thinking Docs is the greatest invention in the history of humanity. Tough work slogging through that.
- Michael Nielsen
Paulo - Thanks for the suggestion. I'll hold off a bit, and try it out online first, to see what I think, and then install Gears if it works well. I must admit I'd be happier having local control over my data.
- Michael Nielsen
I am using for grant writing and people are liking it. Of course it lacks a lot of features but it can be a good start for collaborative work.
- Paulo Nuin
Michael, I've only seen it be slow on large spreadsheets -- maybe several hundred rows. As for lack of feature, yeah, it's pretty minimalistic that way. However, they did just add a bare-bones footnote feature which I haven't had a chance to play with yet.
- John Dupuis
Very nice to get an initial draft of a multi-person paper or grant going - in the end it needs to go out to Word to get formating etc correct. If only they could include bib mgmt via Google
- Rajarshi Guha
On the feature issue: I'm happy enough (for now) with a pretty minimal feature set. My testing shows it's got most of what I need, although the lack of bibliography management will be a bit of a pain. I'll give it a real go.
- Michael Nielsen
Thankyou, everyone, for the feedback. I put this up 28 minutes (!) ago, figuring I'd go to bed, and with luck a few people would comment by morning. Little did I know :-) So thankyou all - I'm going to head off to bed in a few minutes, but if anyone has more comments, I'll read and reply in the morning. Cheers!
- Michael Nielsen
Agree with Rajarshi. It works really well for collaborative drafts. As you approach the final version, you need to go to a local copy to clean it up and format. The problem I have is that my peers (at work) can't get past the unfamiliarity, need to sign up, login, learn something new etc. etc. to see the collaborative benefits.
- Neil Saunders
Like said above, very useful to collaborate with, my wife and I organized our wedding basically using google docs. Only downside is when you need proper formatting for printing. If you are happy with rough formatting, that's fine, but precision printing (like address labels) is very hard, much better to export to word or excel.
- Nick Boucart
agree with what everyone else has said. Just to add it seems to scale well to large numbers of authors in a way that wikis do not - at least with simultaneous editing. In my experience tech phobic people prefer it to wikis but formatting has to be done elsewhere. Bibliography is a major weakness
- Cameron Neylon
from fftogo
I've only used it for small things where I want my doc in the cloud.
- Richard Akerman
Thanks for all the extra comments, especially the comments on how it compares to wikis, and the limitations with formatting.
- Michael Nielsen
Kambiz - That's a really interesting idea, which I may play with. How well do you find it works with large documents?
- Michael Nielsen
Spreadsheets are nice but not for massive datasets - the formatting issue for the text docs is annoying and puzzling as to why it hasn't been solved - also strange that GoogleDocs don't tend to show up on Google searches
- Jean-Claude Bradley
using Gdocs last 2 years, can't live without it today, amazing tool, but Presentations part still bad tho
- Alexey
I've only used the forms part to develop a survey. The forms feature is extremely limited. No edit after submission, no complex field types, no skinning, editing the form rearranges fields etc. But it does have nice features for doing stuff with the data once collected, so it's a tradeoff.
- Todd Hoff
I have been using it to draft papers, and bibliography works fine if you use BibTeX and have different documents for the .tex and the .bib files. Problem for some collaborators (and for chasing bugs introduced by them): TeX syntax highlighting is not available, and compiling has to be done offline.
- Daniel Mietchen
I have a comment on the presentation module -- I first used it about a year ago for a fairly important presentation that I was collaborating on with someone from the other side of the continent. The collaborative parts worked very well, but the presentation module itself was barely adequate for even a simple presentation. They have improved it quite a bit since then including being able to export to PowerPoint format.
- John Dupuis
I have used to collaborate on draft documents. It works much better than emailing around a copy of a document to different authors. The problem is usually more getting other people to use it. The spreadsheets are not useful enough for what I need. The presentations app is nice but so far I use it mostly to hold backup copies of presentations in case all else fails.
- Pedro Beltrao
John - Does the presentation module support basic animations? I'd be pretty tempted to try a collaborative presentation, which I've never done before.
- Michael Nielsen
Michael. I recently blogged about my in context usage of Google Docs here:- http://mcblawg.blogspot.com/2008...
- Graham Steel
Thanks for the pointer, Graham. I've got about a thousand unread blogposts in Google Reader, and I guess yours is in that batch...
- Michael Nielsen
I have used Google Docs and Google Spreadsheets for a large collaboration on a book, with five authors. The book was done in LaTeX with BibTeX, so compiling the files had to be done on a local machine. However, the ease of simultaneous editing by many people was very useful. Also very useful for us was the addition of the "upload-and-share--PDF" feature to Google Docs, which happened near the end of our project. I used this feature to upload the compiled document to share with all coauthors.
- Dimitrios Diamantaras
Google Docs is a better notepad than Yahoo Notepad, plus is helpful in data spreadsheets that go everywhere.
- Mike Reynolds
Dimitrios - it's very helpful to know it can be used for a very large project like that.
- Michael Nielsen
More: we also used Google Spreadsheets to do a collaborative proofreading exercise, for which Spreadsheets was fine. I can suggest zoho.com as an alternative, with even more features, such as a graphical front-end for equations, which then runs LaTeX on the server that makes a beautiful equation graphic. It is a graphic, though, and its alignment with text presents problems. I have not checked out bib management on Google Docs or Zoho, as I don't need it.
- Dimitrios Diamantaras
They did just implement something called "incremental reveal" but AFAIK nothing beyond that.
- John Dupuis
Yet one more note: we also used a wiki in the early stages of the project, and kept using it for activity updates. However, had we started on Google Docs from the beginning, there would have been little reason to use a wiki.
- Dimitrios Diamantaras
Oh yes, if you post a PDF file with more than 100 pages, Google Docs will only display the first 100. However, if you share it, those you share it with will be able to download the whole file.
- Dimitrios Diamantaras
Very irritating. I use it mainly because I have no better option. Printing is a poorly-integrated joke, I can't get the stupid thing to write in one font, and Google Gears never quite works right with it.
- i80and
I see Google Docs as a gateway drug to wikis. I felt the word processor starting to slow down around 10k words. My main beef with it is that while my kids use it routinely, several of my colleagues apparently can't figure it out. But I've used it successfully with several clueful collaborators. The Table of Contents feature rulez.
- Seb Paquet
For small informal text docs it seems to work reasonably well. There's a limit on the length / size of individual documents, which can be a pain if you're writing something big. 'help' tells you the details. Also, if you export to WORD you get a bunch of embedded styles that are tricky to get rid of. Collaborative editing of spreadsheets whilst on the phone trying to agree budget details for proposals works effectively.
- hardisty
I rather like the non-fancy look of simple programs like this. If I can only write in arial with minimal formatting, I tend to focus on what I'm saying more than if I have formatted the text to look fancy. Once colleagues and I are happy with the words, then export to Word and prettify. Used it to write the main text of several grant apps in recent months, including Bjoern's. Insertion of pictures is the only annoying thing that came up - has to be of specific formats and small-ish.
- Matthew Todd
I've found it easier to move the docs to Word by exporting to RTF. Etherpad.com has to be mentioned in this thread; it's useful for people who want up-to-the-second sync between editors.
- Seb Paquet
I use GDocs quite a bit. As Pedro said it's great to do collaborative work but usually that hard part is getting the collaborators on board with the idea. The spreadsheets are OK, but anything a little more complex and it becomes a bit of an ordeal to work with. Specially with very large and complex spreadsheets that pan over multiple sheets. Although I love the graphs :-)
- Ricardo Vidal
Spreadsheet features are useful when pulling XML or CSV data from other websites, and for making the results easily accessible online in multiple formats. Performance suffers relative to standalone programs, although FF 3.5 and Chrome help a bit.
- Mike Chelen
Recently coauthored a paper using Google Docs: http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.0910
- Daniel Lemire
I use Docs as my lab notebook. Of course, I also back up all my docs to my hard drive with a nightly script. As I've said before, use the cloud, love the cloud, just don't trust the cloud.
- Chris Miller
I like Google Docs mainly because of the integration with Gmail. I use it for reading Microsoft Word .doc email attachments. Reading in Google docs is just one click away and is much simpler than downloading the attachment. As a Mac user with no Microsoft products installed it is a godsend, as I no longer have to send annoying emails to people reminding them to send .rtf, .pdf or plain...
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- Matt Leifer
Same here, Matt, though I write collaborative TeX documents in Google Docs, too.
- Daniel Mietchen
Is scientific publishing about to be disrupted? - http://michaelnielsen.org/blog...
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Essay based on a talk I gave on June 11, 2009, at the American Physical Society Editorial Offices. The one-word abridgement: "Yes".
- Michael Nielsen
Why the teasing then? ;)
- Meryn Stol
Extremely interesting article, Michael. Three thoughts: 1) You mention poor execution - this is important. There can be a communication breakdown between programmers and scientists - scientists are generally not tech-savvy and don't understand the tools being provided for them, and may be unwilling to spend time designing tools when they should be doing something else. There needs to be...
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- Matthew Todd
"If a person inside an industry needs to frequently explain why it’s not dead, they’re almost certainly wrong."
- Jodi Schneider
Mattew - on point 1, absolutely. On point 2, it's a really interesting question. I think you can break it up into two parts. There's the immediate economic question: in our society, with our current legal and governmental setup, what's going to happen to the news? That's a purely factual question, devoid of values, and it's the question my essay addresses. But there's a normative...
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- Michael Nielsen
It certainly looks little different in life sciences, where dynamics of the change is mainly directed by funding bodies (and their requirements to publish in Nature instead of PLoS One), not technological advancement. For that reason I'm also not sure how examples from media industry can be applied to science - if NYT editors were NIH grant reviewers, TechCrunch at some point would stop getting grants, right? So, any news whether and how science funding industry is about to be disrupted? :)
- Pawel Szczesny
Great essay! One comment: I don't think there is a general feeling that companies fail _because_ they are evil. There may be a feeling that companies _are evil while they fail_. Most people can see that OpenAccess is globally much better for science and society. But the local business decisions of Toll Access companies are at odds with the global good. That alone is bad. And TA companies then try to delay their decline with dishonest PR campaigns like PRISM that is even worse. Right?
- Anders Norgaard
Agree it's a great essay. You didn't mention anything about publications semantically linked to the primary data, workflows, evidence they are based on. This seems to be an area attracting lots of interest in several disciplines.
- hardisty
Google Insights for Search - http://www.google.com/insight...
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"With Google Insights for Search, you can compare search volume patterns across specific regions, categories, time frames and properties. See examples of how you can use Google Insights for Search."
- Michael Nielsen
WJW Fox 8 Cleveland does a ridiculous story on a bear in a lady's backyard - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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yo everybody is mocking this segment, but, COME ON, IT IS AMAZING. i watch my local tv news as much as possible in the hopes of stumbling on something half as great as this. WJW Fox 8 FTW.
- Zach Seward
Has anyone ever written a History of Collaboration?
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I think there is quite a large literature in social sciences on this but I don't know anything much about it or who would.
- Cameron Neylon
when you say history - do you mean in general, in science, or in computer mediated communication?
- Christina Pikas
There's a very short summary, plus prospective by Saveri, Rheingold and Vian at http://www.rheingold.com/coopera...
- Seb Paquet
and a fragmentary timeline of social software on the Many-to-Many wiki at http://www.socialtext.net/m2m...
- Seb Paquet
Nice links Seb. I was thinking actually less of the computer-mediated emphasis, and more on the story of how people have worked together to solve problems. Naturally the modern age part would be concerned with technical developments. But how did people in Ancient Greece collaborate? How did people work together to siege castles - i.e. the planning and the execution? How did people publish collaborative science in the 18th Century? etc.
- Matthew Todd
Yeah, I thought so. I think a lot of it boils down to what we would call today info sharing, deliberation and decision-making practices. If you do find such a history, please share! The closest I can think of is Bloom's Global Brain - http://www.amazon.com/exec...
- Seb Paquet
you get great support when you bitch about a product on Twitter. So why should you ever use a hidden/private support forum?
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Wish that was always true. Ever tried to twitter your way into a response from Native Instruments' support? Terrible on every platform.
- Mike Baker
LOL! Well, ok, some companies excel at bad service. But it's always better for the consumer to have the conversation in public, especially in a searchable service.
- Lucas Gonze
The open, social web | FactoryCity - http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
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"a few concepts [...] necessary to defeat monopolies in social networks and cloud-based markets: data portability: related to switching costs; an example of this is phone number portability (which require government intervention to achieve); multi-homing: increasing reliability through parallelization; the example I used was ping.fm, which allows you to publish content simultaneously to multiple destinations, thereby defeating network exclusivity and lock-in; roaming: have access to and using other people’s networks; I showed a text message that I received from AT&T explaining how they wanted to charge me $20/MB while roaming in Europe. Clearly networks don’t like it when their customers roam! disaggregation: service substitutability; in this case the photo-editing service Picnik imports photos from a multitude of sources, avoiding tightly coupling itself an any one particular service, unlike Facebook’s photo-sharing service, which can only be used and accessed on facebook.com."
- Michael Nielsen
Nathaniel is give 'em what they need, dressed up as what they think they want.
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Tightest Parallel Parking - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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It's the only way to do it, really. :) Why does japanese TV always have "spectator heads" in a corner?
- Seb Paquet
Drawball: from Chaos to Community - http://crissxross.net/wilx...
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Amazing
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
It looks much easier to destroy than to undo the damage. If that is not changed it takes an amazing amount of dedication to get something done.
- Pedro Beltrao
Help us with a massively collaborative artpiece at: http://two.drawball.com/63kipho (no sign in required, just start colouring the triangular formation near the bottom left)
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The Penrose triangle is pretty much completed.
- Seb Paquet
Something a little larger and more complex would be fun...
- Michael Nielsen
OK. Operation Sierpinski Gasket started a little to the northwest. Sky's the limit.
- Seb Paquet
Okay... colouring.
- Michael Nielsen
The first drawball seems much, well, neater. Is that a comment on the power of sign-in before contribution?
- Matthew Todd
Matthew - Interesting idea. Might possibly be that it had more time to evolve. Or maybe some other explanation.
- Michael Nielsen
Drawball One has protected areas (with the cordoning being done post-facto by admins where they see good art). Over time the editable portion has shrunk to a tiny fraction of the total area. It doesn't look like db2 has protected areas.
- Seb Paquet
Very roughly outlining stuff seems to encourage others to help fill it in. Much like creating stubs on Wikipedia gets more work done!
- Michael Nielsen
Had to waste my ink removing racist messages - sad.
- Chris Miller
One fascinating thing: it's a lot easier to do damage than to undo it. In this sense, it's very different from Wikipedia. Also, no analogue to the watch page on Wikipedia. These two things make a big difference...
- Michael Nielsen
Does anyone know how the beautiful programmatic part of the gasket is being drawn? Looks like someone has a script running...
- Michael Nielsen
I was wondering that myself - It's gotta be computer-generated. It's great looking, but annoyingly, doesn't fit correctly into the fractal pattern. The big center triangle should be blank :)
- Chris Miller
faint text from the "trying to draw here would be a mistake" area: "art painting drawing morons drawing swastikas nazis racists hitler lovers will never go away this is why we can't have nice things on drawball two" Oh, and I'm sure it was none of you who wrote "penis" in the lower left.
- Mr. Gunn
cool ... my little bit has been cleaned up around the edges by someone (or many someones). It's already expanded since yesterday. There seems to be lots of activity around the Korean flags .. I wonder if this is because they are still being improved, or part of a continuing edit war between the nationalists and 'vandals'.
- Andrew Perry
The Penrose impossible tribar is still intact...
- Michael Nielsen
The color gradient is nice, but green and red together don't work well. Feel like it should be Red, Yellow, Blue for the central three (primary colors) , then outer triangles as intermediates (R+Y = orange, R+B = purple, Y+B = green)
- Chris Miller
The fractal curve was drawn using the AHK auto-drawing tool. Drawball tries to detect and ban drawbots, but presumably this a mutation of AHK that passes under the radar.
- Seb Paquet
While damage is more easily done than undone, damage doesn't self-repair... So far progress has been pretty smooth; one interesting thing to watch for is what will happen when the pattern reaches the giant 12. Edit war? Abdication? Peaceful compromise?
- Seb Paquet
Some wit has replaced one of our triangles by a circle :-)
- Michael Nielsen
Some other nitwit has drawn swastikas all over it. Sigh. "This is why we can't have nice things", indeed.
- Chris Miller
Don't worry Chris, it's just decoration.
- Seb Paquet
The fractal got large enough that some bodybuilders actually organized a raid against it: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthr...
- Seb Paquet
Drawball Wiki - http://drawball.wikia.com/wiki...
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J'ai du té verte, du beurre, de fromage et une baguette. And a hellova lot of slides to make.
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"thé vert"
- Jérôme Flipo
Hmm. Teh Google didn't catch that!
- Chris Messina
Peter Suber Appointed Berkman Fellow at Harvard - Open Access Archivangelism - http://openaccess.eprints.org/index...
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Good call.
- Jonathan Eisen
from Bookmarklet
Most excellent.
- Bill Hooker
Seb's Open Research - http://openresearch.sebpaquet.net/
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Seb was an early blogger who ran an excellent blog called "Seb's Open Research". He's recently started up blogging again.
- Michael Nielsen
I like the most recent post a lot - definitely makes me want to stay tuned!
- Shirley Wu
i'm happy to see him back publishing again - I still refer to his personal knowledge publishing post from 2002
- Christina Pikas
Personal knowledge publishing and its uses in research http://bit.ly/4wGqi1
- Polly Potter
Thanks for the encouragements folks! Feel free to link :))
- Seb Paquet
9 Ways to Face the Perils of Cloud Computing - http://openresearch.sebpaquet.net/2009...
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yup i like these strategies, thats why diigo is my favorite bookmark tool, and friendfeed automatically condenses the redundant entries
- Mike Chelen
The future of science - http://michaelnielsen.org/blog...
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This essay describes some of the benefits and promise of open science. It's intended for a broad audience. Comments and suggestions would be most welcome!
- Michael Nielsen
Great essay. My first comment is concerning participation of scientists in commenting system: I wonder if the rule 90-9-1 applies here? When we look at the activity in the LS room it's clear that majority of members are rather passive.
- Pawel Szczesny
Lots of good stuff here - what is it with shoes though? People in barcelona were also on about selling shoes...and books to be fair
- Cameron Neylon
What's the shoe story from Barcelona, Cameron?
- Michael Nielsen
Great essay... Might be food for discussion at BarCamb-2.
- Jan Aerts
Pawel - It'd be interesting to have some data on that question, e.g., for PLoS ONE, and comparison to other sites, like Slashdot.
- Michael Nielsen
This is going to be required reading the first week in my science classes!
- LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH - I'd be very interested to hear what your classes make of it!
- Michael Nielsen
Absolutely
- LPH™ and his dog P™
It seems like a special case of the general class of intellectual property problems? Short term, you can have some kind of rights management that facilitates the kind of trust networks mentioned in the essay. Shoe stores sell commodities... whereas a brilliant idea could be worth nothing, or billions. Long term, you would need to radically change the economics. People might give away a certain amount for free, but they want to be able to pay their rent too, and profit from their ideas.
- Karim
If you can solve the problem for music, movies, books, and software, you can solve it for science ;-)
- Karim
Karim - You're certainly right that it is a special case of the general class of intellectual property problems. Unfortunately, the analysis of IP problems that people like Lawrence Lessig and Yochai Benkler have done for popular culture (e.g., music, movies, books etc) does not hold in the case of science, because of the very different economic model used to support scientists...
- Michael Nielsen
No? I'm ignorant of how it does, but then again I haven't given it much thought either. :-) I know a grant isn't *strictly* equivalent to a book deal ;-) but there are some similarities...
- Karim
It's the long term economics that are significantly different. And who owns and controls the rights.
- Deepak Singh
@Michael the shoe story from Barcelona was 'The internet is better for selling shoes than doing science. What we need to realise is all the issues that made that possible. Perhaps seeing the fully web based science as 'impossible' is just the same situation as e.g. Amazon would have faced ten years ago' slightly paraphrasing John Wilbanks but the point was think back to no method of delivery, no secure online payments, no appropriate stock managements systems etc etc
- Cameron Neylon
excellent essay - posted my comment there! Thanks!
- Björn Brembs
This may be very useful in explaining the vision to those not operating directly in STM activities but providing support through services, tools, etc..
- Jill O'Neill
Jill - I hope so. If you do use it in this context, I'd be very interested to hear how it goes.
- Michael Nielsen
Bjoern - Thanks for the thoughtful comment, will try to respond in the next 24 hours.
- Michael Nielsen
Excellent article with lots of food for thought!
- Jo Vermeulen
Hoping to have well chosen my first like on your (actually beautiful) feed ;) Love :)
- Valentina*
Google is now telling me about all active sessions on my Gmail account by IP address: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Smart feature.
- Wade Dorrell
Here's the blog post announcing it: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008...
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