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hello, i have just subscribed to the group but as i see, there is no any messaging here since january. is it closed? do you reccomend more active and beneficial groups to share information and experiences...
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Browse Items by Hiro Sheridan on Xstreet SL Marketplace - https://xstreetsl.com/modules...
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Peter Miller and ovigia liked this
xstreetsl is probably the largest in-world item seller, which is now run by linden labs. there are still a few popular player-run systems and many small retailers
- Mike Chelen
Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, secondlife4educators, 3D Virtual Worlds, Sculpted Proteins SL, The Life Scientists, Science 2.0, Chemistry
UsefulChem - Chemistry in Second Life - http://usefulchem.wikispaces.com/SLchemP...
Steve Koch, Andrew Perry, Sung W. Lim and 13 other people liked this
"This article reviews chemistry related content in Second Life, a popular virtual world. Examples include the construction of 3D molecules, spectroscopy, data visualization, networking, conferences, games and other educational resources."
- Mike Chelen
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the final article should be available soon - editors checking final formatting now
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Cool! We are planning something similar about the embryo physics course ( http://www.embryophysics.org/ ) and will thankfully step on your shoulders.
- Daniel Mietchen
wow Daniel embryo physics in Second Life... that should make the content fun
- Jean-Claude Bradley
How can I find this in 'second life' ?
- joergkurtwegner
joerg: check out drexel island http://slurl.com/secondl... to see some of the chem stuff and nature island http://slurl.com/secondl... had some of the sculpted proteins last time i was there
- Mike Chelen
I want to give a demo of SL to my class, but I'm a noob. Any professor care to meet me & my class in SL during our regular class time soon?
Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, FF-for-scientists, education 2.0, Future of Education, secondlife4educators
Fwd: Using social networking tools a la carte for organic chemistry education: wikis, blogs, Second Life, and more - http://www.scivee.tv/node... (via http://friendfeed.com/jcbradl...)
Richard Hudak and Peter Miller liked this
Noel O'Blog: Now open for submissions - Symposium on Visual Analysis of Chemical Data (ACS Spring 2010) - http://baoilleach.blogspot.com/2009...
Richard Klancer, Mitsuteru N and Jean-Claude Bradley liked this
"Recently, virtual worlds 3D such as Second Life have presented new opportunities and challenges for the representation of chemical data. What is the potential of such a medium in education and communicating with the chemistry community?"
- Mike Chelen
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Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, Sculpted Proteins SL, Second Life, secondlife4educators, 3D Virtual Worlds, Virtual Worlds Opensource
Second Life Sculpted Proteins experimental TIFF output on GitHub - http://github.com/mchelen...
Peter Miller and Andrew Lang liked this
Fwd: Science Learning Opportunities in Second Life - http://www.youtube.com/watch... (via http://friendfeed.com/pansapi...)
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Peter Miller liked this
The Music of Proteins - Science in the Metaverse - T. Troy McConaghy's blog on Nature Network - http://network.nature.com/people...
Mickey Schafer, Fossil Huntress, Peter Miller and Deepak Singh liked this
I know nobody else cares but I first met Max when she was getting ready for this -- memories...
- Peter Miller
How to live stream from your webcam into Second Life | Librarians Matter - http://librariansmatter.com/blog...
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uses an RSTP video streaming service
- Mike Chelen
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Fwd: "KIRA INTERDISCIPLINARY SCIENCE SEMINAR (KISS)" http://thegreatslexpedition.blogspot.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/malburn...)
Dimitrios Diamantaras liked this
Vic Michalak: series inspired by presentation from Dr. Piet Hut (Pema Pera) head of http://kira.org institute, and interdisciplinary studies at Institute of Advanced Studies, gave to Nymf's Science Circle in february
- Mike Chelen
where it was suggested that many current problems in scientific research require interdisciplinary collaboration between specialists
- Mike Chelen
barriers exist due to culture and methodology
- Mike Chelen
broadly interdisciplinary studies require not only increase in knowledge, but also focus on "knowledge of knowledge"
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: everyone is specialist in something, any communications are "interdisciplinary"
- Mike Chelen
Vic: agree, everyone sees world through different experiences, science tries to set some ground rules for objectivity
- Mike Chelen
Kyx Magic: phenomenology tries to reconcile that set of experiences with science
- Mike Chelen
Salamanca Congrejo: students hardly ever taught about "knowledge of knowledge"
- Mike Chelen
Vic: Pema had workshop recently on phenomenology
- Mike Chelen
Vic: concur with Salamanca, one of reasons for this seminar
- Mike Chelen
Vic: last semester conducted experiment with students to test data rate of computer networks & to determine what factors affect it
- Mike Chelen
Vic: appeared students were unable to set up experiment, most being not math, science, or engineering students per se, did not know much about science & scientific method
- Mike Chelen
Troy: scientists make, test, and use models to make predictions
- Mike Chelen
Salamanca: many science, math, and engineering students know about that either. traditional education is formulaic
- Mike Chelen
Vic: when asked students said they did step by step experiments in science classes and did not understand basic reasons of why
- Mike Chelen
Imaze Rhiano: education also business - work oriented, engineers meant to design phones are not taught scientific method
- Mike Chelen
Vic: education sometimes "result" oriented
- Mike Chelen
Kyx: education serves demand of industry and gov't responds by tayloring curricula for specialists
- Mike Chelen
Vic: asked students why they want a degree, it is to get job & make money
- Mike Chelen
Mojito Sorbet: job descriptions ask if they have used certain technologies in last 4 years
- Mike Chelen
Vic: also found math or statistics students at other universities plugging in numbers to find answer, without knowing why to use a certain formula
- Mike Chelen
Fox: follows enlightenment idea of knowledge as linear progress
- Mike Chelen
Marion Diabolito: think calculators will replace calculus soon. some science friends say thats okay.
- Mike Chelen
Vic: find that my students cannot do simple math in their heads anymore
- Mike Chelen
Vic: some people think science is a sort of belief system. concept of theory is poorly understood, versus fact, guess, or belief
- Mike Chelen
Mojito: best teacher i had used socratic method to get class to understand esoteric subject through mental experiments, then followed by deriving the math behind it
- Mike Chelen
Marion: it may be those of us who did calculus the old fashion way are like people complaining about kids not knowing how to do arithmetic or multiplication in their heads
- Mike Chelen
Troy: scientists make useful provisional models, and open to being replaced by something that works better
- Mike Chelen
Salamanca: teachers delve into formulas without defining & discussing subject, origins, and uses
- Mike Chelen
Ruby Ormenthal: abacus should be taught in schools because it enhances mental calculation
- Mike Chelen
Mojito: Stephen Hawking's recent book argues that models are useful it explains and accurately predicts observed phenomena, regardless if it is "true" or not
- Mike Chelen
slack7639 Gigamon: why no consenus on global warming?
- Mike Chelen
Marion: there is agreement
- Mike Chelen
Salamanca: some systems like climate are complicated and full understanding takes a while, if ever
- Mike Chelen
Vic: historical concept of natural philosophy as reasoned and systematic study, while science was systematically recorded knowledge
- Mike Chelen
Vic: science that involved "scientific method" became known as "experimental science" while science that applied what was learned became "applied science"
- Mike Chelen
Vic: tools and languages used to describe science such as math, statistics, and logic became known as "formal science"
- Mike Chelen
Kyx: disagreement and contradiction on climate change is common because of data from different disciplines, agendas, models, and angles, therefore failing to find common ground or even clearly contradictory conclusions
- Mike Chelen
Salamanca: formal science is easily tested in current classroom structure, so that is the basis for curricula
- Mike Chelen
Vic: scientists observe world and collect evidence, and seek to minimize collection bias
- Mike Chelen
Troy: possible for inaccurate data to lead to good models, an ellipse worked with Tycho's observations of Mars and a better model was not felt necessary at the time
- Mike Chelen
Kyx: advancement of science depends on improving models that become obsolete over time. not to say original science was "wrong" because it served purpose of explaining phenomena at that point in time with available methods and knowledge
- Mike Chelen
Troy: for cases requiring lesser degree of accuracy, Kepler's model of planetary motion is still used
- Mike Chelen
Vic: data must be measurable, either quantitatively or qualitatively, and collected and recorded for analysis
- Mike Chelen
Kyx: gravitational and Shapiro time delay effects are examples of how historical dates are approximations
- Mike Chelen
Vic: discussion of scientific method will continue next Thursday
- Mike Chelen
Vic: next week Constructivist Solo from SciLands will start off our discussion. in RL she deals with interdisciplinary science education
- Mike Chelen
3F5T - X-ray Structure of H5N1 NS1 Sculpted Protein in Second Life - http://www.rcsb.org/pdb...
Andrew Perry, Peter Miller, Andrew Lang and Jean-Claude Bradley liked this
Going to try using Flickr because uploading to Friendfeed seems to convert to JPEG resulting in compression artifacts in the Scultpy map :D
- Mike Chelen
Actually it looks as though the original images are being generated as JPEGs :D
- Mike Chelen
Here is what the protein looks like in-world: http://www.flickr.com/photos... and in jmol http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mike Chelen
Seems to be two molecules in the jmol picture. You could make a sculpty of each side and join them together.
- Andrew Lang
I will look for ways to split up the PDBs from multimeric proteins, or find some good examples of those with single domains.
- Mike Chelen
I do it manually using UCSF Chimera -- get some small molecules that way too
- Peter Miller
I'll give Chimera a try, most of my experience is with viewing PDBs, and modifying them is something new. Thanks Peter!
- Mike Chelen
Nature SkyLabs workshops open Second Life meeting - http://slurl.com/secondl...
Peter Miller, Jean-Claude Bradley and Daniel Mietchen liked this
From Joanna Wombat: "We launched the SkyLabs a few weeks ago which are now buzzing with brand new residents and some really exciting and varied projects. Next week we will begin workshops which will be free and open to all. Today (Thursday) at 10am SLT (6pm UK time) we will have a meeting to decide what topics the workshops should be on - if you're at all interested or would just like to see our SkyLabs and meet everyone, do come along! All welcome."
- Mike Chelen
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Residents begin to gather http://friendfeed.com/chelen-...
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic- sculpties are key, Hiro is using them to make low-prim proteins
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx- we need to be started with the basics
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower- thinking of starting with how to rez and shape objects, and texturing
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: http://tidalblog.blogspot.com/2009...
- Mike Chelen
SDL Appletor: Would it be possible to have a little workshop for SL novices so that we can learn about the SL language/abbreviations etc.
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic- start with basic building
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux- show example script and explain how it is built
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx- worried the basics will bore everyone
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: so is it best to separate out building, scripting and texturing into separate classes?
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: how many people have programmed in *some* programming language before? ~ 5 yeses, 1 no
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic- learning scripting requires understanding of building first
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower- start with building class, how long to learn to make basic sculpties?
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux: depends what software you use to make sculpties
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: I think that in one full hour one could cover basic object building including linking prims
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower- what next? Simone Gateaux- basic scripting and how to use scripting editor
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: I agree - a basic primer on LSL
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: I've read a lot about LSL vs. Mono... how does that apply here, if at all?-
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: LSL is the "Linden Scripting Language". You can compile it to Mono or not
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: You don't need to know anything about Mono
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: I agree don't worry about mono
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: One of the original ideas behind Mono was that it would allow other languages yto be used ultimately, such as Python
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower- basic beginners structure then, take no more than 4 weeks
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: it would be really good if each session could start with a 10 min recap of the previous session
- Mike Chelen
Maggie Axelbrad: can the sessions be recorded too in case we can't attend?
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower- the ultimate aim is to make an archive
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: Obama is coming to campus next week!
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: get him to join in ;-)
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: I thought I saw a press relese with his avatar
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007...
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: yeah. but it's probably an intern who is controlling him.
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: ok, so is recording the best way to archive things?
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: the idea was to use the top floor of auriga - as a repository for learning tools
- Mike Chelen
SDL Appletor: when you say recording do you mean just the transcript or the video?
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: either
- Mike Chelen
SDL Appletor: Will the classes be held with voice?
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: oh, voice would be better... Eightball Magic: I would vote for using voice
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: is everyone happy with voice? ~ yes, sure
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: but then we have no transcript... SDL Appletor: however, then we will have to rely on the video
- Mike Chelen
Maggie Axelbrad: but we could record couldn't we? Eightball Magic: yes
- Mike Chelen
SDL Appletor: of course some of the class may be in text (e.g. sharing a link, script etc)
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: Voice can be unreliable too, esp in large groups
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux: seems we tried voice here and it didnt work all that well
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: we use it ok for our lecture series
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic- having to type everything for a whole lesson would be cumbersome for teachers
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: maybe the primary speaker should speak only
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: One person speaking and even then 8ball had problems
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux: another voice option is skype
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: I think the best thing is we try to get the teacher to use voice ... and we all ask questions etc in local chat
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: conference calls for 10 people on Skype are also problematic
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: I'll try to arrange to have the voice recorded, and also post the transcripts so we have some record of the sessions
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: after we've completed the intro, how do you want to proceed with the workshops?
- Mike Chelen
Maggie Axelbrad: perhaps people could request specific subjects, and see if others are interested
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: "workshop clinics"?
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: have people go through concrete examples and explain how they work
- Mike Chelen
SDL Appletor- after intro can we set aside part time to discuss current issues & help each other out
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: question-answer sessions would also be good
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: to summarize - we'll start with a set of intro talks - maximum of 4 - get us all up to speed with basic object creation and scripting - each talk will start with a 10 min recap of the previous workshop - factor in 15 mins at the end of each workshop for questions
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: 35 minutes ?
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: I'd drop the 15 min Q&A sessions for the 4 introductory lessons
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: One can always go to free classes at places like New Citizens Incorporated to learn more basics
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: 10 mins recap, 50 mins lesson - max 4 lessons
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux: torley linden's videos are useful and lots of fun
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: then we move onto more clinic-based workshops - e.g. pick a topic, get someone to demo it and then have a trouble-shooting session?
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: I think that would be good - by then people are ready to get started on their own projects and will thus have specific questions that they need answered
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: one small issue: is it clever to run the introductory course during the period when many people might be on vacation?
- Mike Chelen
Maggie Axelbrad: well if we wait until after the summer it will be quite a delay
- Mike Chelen
kat Clarity: i think if you start worrying about that we are never going to find a time to suit everyone
- Mike Chelen
Maggie Axelbrad: that's why we need to record the sessions
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: ok, so we start next wekk
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux: we might try voice just before next week
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: Maybe put out some links to places with tutorials like the Ivory Tower Library of Prims
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: Well, someone mentioned animation. There is a nice tool called Puppeteer that might be worth showing
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: yes, we used that for the tortosies I think!
- Mike Chelen
Neviah Jinx: animation would be neat for protein too
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: Animation in SL is tricky, but certainly not impossible
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: Graham, how would people manage to show a tool in SL?
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: does the tool run in-world?
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: It follows naturally from rezzing and linking prims - You just add scripts to the prims, move them and take a "snapshot"
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: ok, maybe we do that as one of the first "clinics" - a focus on animating objects
- Mike Chelen
Eightball Magic: ok - I thought it might be a tool running outside of SL (like some other animation tools) - then it would be hard to show
- Mike Chelen
Graham Mills: No, inworld - It is manual animation btw
- Mike Chelen
Troy McLuhan: Animation of prims, like changing a cube's position or rotation
- Mike Chelen
Simone Gateaux: I have a photosynthesis model where the parts are scripted to move
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: graham, I should invit you to the google group - then you can see the transcripts from the past 2 weeks - everyone's been discussing their projects
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower- would like to have the "who's who" sign give out notecards about each group/project when you clcik their name feel free to write something and drop it in my inventory e.g. SecondLou works for Nature and is a complete novice
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: JO and I are re-doing the Elucian Islands website http://www.nature.com/elucian... and we want to include a page on the skylabs projects as well as updating pics of what's happening here
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: If you'd like to send some suggestions of text for a little bio as one of the residents (or helpers) please email it to me
- Mike Chelen
Blue Renfort: or send you a note?... SecondLou Skytower: sure
- Mike Chelen
SecondLou Skytower: so we'll get the workshops started same time, same place next week
- Mike Chelen
Sculpted Proteins in Second Life - import from .PDB file to sculpted prim - http://slusage.com/sculpties/
Chemistry activities in Second Life - http://slusage.com/chemist...
Open SLedware - Open course content for Second Life - http://opensledware.wikispaces.com/
Am hoping this Friendfeed room may save energy and time as an aggregator - http://www.shambles.net/secondl...
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