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- Seek Ground
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
ILLA, egza, Ozer Wrzl (EN) and 794 other people liked this
:(
- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- Marina Remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
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- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WorldofHiglet
:(((
- Oğuz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
:(
- Helen Sventitsky
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- Barış (beyn.org)
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
we need a new way
- سِــمیرامیس
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- © D/\\/IIID ℠ ®
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- ramin
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
No words for that...
- Frank
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete Delucchi
:(
- Russ Jackson
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
http://mojipage.com register in this website and add ff widget! twitter is blocked in iran so I am posting twitts by a script or choqok(http://choqok.gnufolks.org/)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- ----
Thnaks :)
- Exir
این چی میگه؟
- hozeh
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ali
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ali
:((
- AJ Batac
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- emin
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
:(
- Caroline
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران Dragon's Father
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't know about email. now I am using freegate or another site like http://mojipage.com
- ★amin.m★
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- مـهدی معتمد
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FKU
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- Steve C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
بیا بالا ای فید من
- egza
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
ای بابا این فید رو شخم زدن :))
- egza
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- ramin
jeddi?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
آره حامد آمارشو قبلا در آورده ام
- egza
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
حامد اینجا رو ببین http://friendfeed.com/amirsem...
- egza
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
بعد از این فید که هستمی این http://friendfeed.com/funny-p... در رده دوم لایکه ,اینجا شش هزار و خورده ای کامنت داره http://friendfeed.com/ideali... این فید از فارسی زبانان فرفر همین نیما خودمون http://friendfeed.com/nimaa... در لایک 204 تا این هم از آیدا http://friendfeed.com/elaheye... بیشتر از 2400 کامنت داره
- egza
Amazon’s final message to its creation - http://fury.com/2009...
Thomas Power, Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF) and Jeffrey Canton liked this
unlike 1984 SNAFU, this can be positive. I have no problems with being pushed corrected / updated versions of book when there are typographical errors
- Bastard Operator From FF
This raises the spectre of censorship. Forget, book burnings, now all the powers that be have to do to control availability of books is to tell one company to jump to make countrywide censorship a done deal. Not a problem now of course, to many other sources but what about the near future? Scary.
- Seek Ground
from email
Lessons learned from a year of Tweeting for the @statesman: http://mediabullseye.com/mb...
Reccomended read: "For years before Twitter, we worked to break down that wall between the newspaper and our community. We included phone numbers on taglines at the end of printed articles. We put e-mail addresses in bylines. We let readers comment on our stories. Those are all good things, but none of them bring the staff member to the community quite the way Twitter does."
- Seek Ground
from email
Side note: I have opted to not share any of the stories that result from the confidential items from Twitter that are being released one by one. That they leaked was newsworthy, yes, but if you want that news, you can get it many other places.
Peggy Gartin, Internet Strategist, Bill Vick and 63 other people liked this
That's because you are a classy person, Louis.
- WorldofHiglet
Louis: did you get the leaked info? I didn't. Makes that decision easy! :-)
- Robert Scoble
louis gray, too nice to be a cut throat publisher but still a really great guy :)
- sean percival
I did not get the leaked info. But those that did are now publishing some of the details, and to share them on Google Reader seems like the wrong thing to do. I may share ValleyWag every once in a while, but I'll skip these.
- Louis Gray
1UP LG.
- Derrick
Sean, you don't have to be cut throat to do a good job. I say stand for something.
- Louis Gray
Good for you.
- Jenna Bilotta
Whoever has that stuff should drop it quickly like a red-hot potato, for what it's worth. But I don't see that happening any time soon, sadly.
- Tyson Key
I admire your work ethics and probably would have done the same, myself. Still, after watching some of the leaked docs, TV show - was already known, future merchandise store - big deal lots of 3rd party companies already sell Twitter stuff, Premium accounts - not a secret we have SUL, GMAIL/GoDaddy accounts - haven't seen something unusual etc. Bottom line, I wouldn't publish a thing...
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- Nir Ben Yona
Good for you! I think that is a great decision.
- Seek Ground
from email
I had been wondering what your thoughts were.
- Anne Bouey
Absolutely stand for something. I say it is a clear golden rule situation. Twitter could release such info if they choose to but if I received it I'd return it. If I were in the media I would definitely want to write about it but the line on not publishing said illegally obtained docs is clear and not grey.
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
Much respect.
- Colby
It is fun though to watch the ethical debate in TC's comments: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Colby
Colby, if you read the comments, and just do a search for "@arrington" to find Mike's comments, he is very level-headed about the situation and makes sense. I understand what he is doing, but am opting out of spreading the results. I was at a dinner with Mike on Monday and enjoyed the CrunchUp Friday, so this is not a personal issue in any way. I hope he makes smart decisions.
- Louis Gray
Yes but he could end up in jail for this and that's not being level headed.
- Thomas Power
Thomas, I am not a legal expert in this case, and think that there are some who are advising him, as well as his own background, so I would guess that is unlikely.
- Louis Gray
bum
- sofarsoShawn
"lol. if we only posted things that companies gave us permission to post this would be a press release site and none of you would be here. News is stuff someone doesn’t want you to write. The rest is advertising." -- Michael Arrington ...I think he's missing the point.
- Christopher A Carr
Unless they were planning on throwing me a surprise party I think I can respect their privacy. Hint hint Twitter
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Yeah I read Arrington's posts and can see his perspective but it seems like he is alienating his readerbase. I suppose that is only a small fraction of the readers though. It will be interesting to see how much they reveal, and if twitter pursues litigation (I assume they have the right...?)
- Colby
Same here. I don't want to spread that nonsense.
- Bwana ☠
Proud to know both of you!
- jcunwired
Louis - this is why I read all your stuff and none of Arrington's
- andy brudtkuhl
How Kevin is spending his birthday!
Paul Wilcox, Aaron Hood, Ayşe E. and 35 other people liked this
Sitting on the deck, looking out on the water, eating homemade chili and cornbread, listening to the band playing on the dock across the water and happily killing time till the fireworks!
- Rachel Lea Fox
from iPhone
Sings: "a little bit louder now, a little bit louder now ... Don't forget to say you will heeeeyy heeeyy..."
- Rachel Lea Fox
from iPhone
What's that on his chest, all I know it can not be an Audrey <http://www.digibarn.com/collect...> (no knobs).
- ianf ⌘
Coincidentally, my Kindle was heavily used today as well.
- Seek Ground
from iPhone
So serene. Happy 4th to you both!!
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Happy birthday (again) and happy 4th!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Happy 4th Birthday, Kevin. Wait, I think I combined that wrong ;)
- Micah Wittman
Happy Birthday! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
can kindle do friendfeed?
- Mike Chelen
@mike kindle 2 and DX can, not sure about how nice it would be because the screen refresh rate is way slow
- mjc
Suicide of the West - http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...
We have gone mad
- Seek Ground
Helen Thomas calls Obama administration out on social media smokescreen - http://www.inquisitr.com/28013...
J. Abdul-Qahhar, Christopher Harley, Laura Norvig and 14 other people liked this
Helen Thomas is getting so OLD! I don't like the way that was conducted, and it was taken out of context. There are definitely questions that should be answered, but I'm not sure this is as big a deal as is being presented.
- Sheryl
So much for openness and transparency
- Seek Ground
from email
Sheryl: BS. The previous administration was excoriated for supposedly letting in only Bush supporters. This administration is taking it to a whole new level; not only are they controlling who the audience is, they are controlling the questions they ask! Obama knows the questions and is scripted when he gives the response. He's not answering legitimate questions from real news people. If that's not a big deal to you, then I suggest you might as well move to Iran.
- Dawn
The really sick thing about this is how unnecessary it is!! The reason Bush used town halls was because the press was so hostile to him. The press, outside of Fox news, has been slobbering all over themselves, giving Obama great, positive coverage. So for them to be so hyper-controlling - more so than anything other administration ever - makes you wonder what the heck they are so afraid of.
- Dawn
Coming from the other side, as an Obama supporter, I have to agree that the Obama administration's policy of requesting questions in advance and giving him a list of reporters approved to call on is concerning. It has bothered me for awhile. Even if a bigger deal is being made of it than should be, as Sheryl said, it does give the appearance of attempting to control the media.
- Trish R
Helen Thomas is right. If a town hall script has to be composed in advance--due away with the theater of pretending it's a meeting.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
And it's not just dealing with the press. Remember the outrage about the Bush administration "cooking the books" in favor of going to war by playing on fear and false facts? The current administration rammed through the largest tax increase in the history of our country via the "cap and trade" bill. And they did it by using global warming as the threat, while Obama's own EPA purposely...
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- Dawn
Dawn: I think you misunderstand what I said. I don't think transparency is unimportant. I do think the conversation never got off the ground properly and I found the whole video a little ridiculous. It was far too disjointed and all it did was point to the lack of transparency. But neither side was very well spoken or really in these circumstances got an opportunity to speak in a way...
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- Sheryl
Facebook Says It Wants You to Be Less Private - But Why? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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dun see how I can be less private on fb
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Now fb has "friends of friends" options too? Why do they keep stealing from Ff? I want facebook to be private and the other stuff to be public. That's why I have separate accounts. People who want to see my public face, follow me on ff.
- Matthew DeVries
"Furthermore, in our testing so far - the new privacy controls are actually quite a challenge to control. Changed defaults don't stick and we shared several messages further than we intended to." In my opinion this destroys user trust. More importantly, I am concerned about the less technological savvy among my friends and family who already think they are sharing in private but aren't. People behave differently in public vs private but thay should at least KNOW which venue they inhabit.
- Seek Ground
from email
see, this is what I'm worried about. people that want privacy aren't going to have it and they'll stop using the service.
- Bill Kinney
Barely cracked open the laptop over the weekend - such is smartphone life. http://www.austin360.com/blogs...
I think the day is here. @omarg
- Seek Ground
from email
Travis County reports its first swine flu death. http://www.statesman.com/blogs...
This is sad. I just found out about the first person that I know who has caught the swine flu. Fortunately for me they live elsewhere so I'm not at risk. Still I must wonder, how long until more people in my circle of family and friends are
- Seek Ground
from email
You have to have a life to life stream - http://techwag.com/index...
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I love it. He makes a really good point.
- Martin Bryant
One person's 'interesting' is another person's 'boring.' Sort of similar to trash and treasure.
- Seek Ground
from email
Poll: How Did You Find Out that Michael Jackson Died? http://socialtoo.com/survey...
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twitter
- Luca Filigheddu
FF
- pea
Friendfeed, duh.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FF
- Shandiz
I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds.
- Louis Gray
twitter...only because I wasn't at my computer and had my twitter app open on my cell phone.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
FriendFeed
- Valeria Maltoni
friendfeed
- Alex Scoble
From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel.
- Fred Yankowski
Twitter
- Roberto Bonini
email alert from a local news station on my phone.
- Steve Lowe
FF
- DAL
I was on a conference call yesterday with the team about to flip the switch and release the project that I've been working on for the last few months to an internal beta and someone blurts out "Michael Jackson is Dead!". I'm not sure how they found out...
- Lindsay
Twitter
- Graham Bunting
FF
- imabonehead
FF
- Panayotis Vryonis
Twitter. More specifically, this tweet -> http://twitter.com/kaitfol...
- Hiro Asari
Call me old fashioned: I heard it on the radio!
- Pablo Melchor
twitter, @breakingnews
- George Tziralis
Twitter
- Rich
twitter, friend posted it, not sure where he learned it from. I confirmed with Google News search, LA Times
- xero
Mona's post, which I saw on fftogo as I was leaving work.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
radio! :) yes it still exists
- Mario
Don't remember if it was Twitter or FF first, but it was probably a tweet either way.
- Grey Drane
Good 'ol FriendFeed :)
- Janice
The nice thing about breaking news on FF is that the number of posts required for everyone to get their OMGz out are decreased by an order of magnitude. On Twitter there's 5 tweets per person about MJ, on Friendfeed there's one post for every few people and then those pile up the comments.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
FriendFeed!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
twitter
- andy brudtkuhl
Twitter
- Brett Kelly
Taken to hospital news on Twitter when only TMZ was reporting then followed newswires until death
- Karen Swim
Radio on the drive home (who read it off TMZ)
- Stuart Miniman
I hate to be a spoilsport but I've read Michael Jackson's death in my TwitterGadget. lols
- jan geronimo
Coworker saw it on TMZ.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Saw the first unverified rumors on Tumblr. Switched to twitter for more info and found a raging torrent of unsubstantiated tweets, most w/out links, announcing his death + a few linking to sources reporting the cardiac arrest and hospitalization. Glanced at FriendFeed and saw less rumor and more links to reports of what was so far known. Turned to Google News and found LA Times live blogging verified news. Kept hitting refresh until they updated with confirmation that Michael Jackson was dead.
- Ben Greenberg
WHAT??? MJ's DEAD??? Just kidding, yeah Twitter.
- Tac Anderson
Twitter
- Kenton
twitter.
- Evan Travers
NBC evening news - my next stop was FF
- Scott of Two Countries
Twitter
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Friendfeed
- Martha
my mother send me an sms this morning.
- Patrik Johansson
Twitter but via FF
- Mike Bracco
@Mike - I think that counts as FF then, unless the tweet you saw had 0 likes and 0 comments. Don't discount the value of community filters!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Friendfeed but then I spent a couple of hours trying to establish whether it was true or not.
- WorldofHiglet
Friendfeed. Specifically, subscription to http://friendfeed.com/breakin...
- Micah Wittman
A rare occurrence, my boss was on Twitter and noticed the tweets and mentioned it. So much for me being on top of real time media. I was working! :p
- Josh Haley
FF
- M F
FF
- Jim Hearts FF
CNN, seriously.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Please do respond on the SocialToo Survey as well if you can get the chance.
- Louis Gray
FF
- Ian May
Twitter
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
My kid. A friend told her, maybe txt.
- Jason Nunnelley
Breaking News Online on Friend Feed
- RAPatton
my brother told me and I read it on friendfeed at just about the same moment
- chrisofspades
Friendfeed
- Alex Scrivener
My gf read it on the news and told me.
- Will Higgins™
FF
- Bogdan Costea
FF
- W_B_K
Twitter
- Mohamed J
Twitter
- Ian D
Smoke signal
- Steve
Twitter
- Jeremy Brooks
Twitter - but waited for it to be confirmed elsewhere
- Keith - @tsudo
Friendfeed told me he was rushed to the hospital. I then was out and about monitoring m.nytimes.com on my G1, where I got the final news.
- Matthew DeVries
FriendFeed
- Seek Ground
from email
co worker said it.
- Chieze Okoye
FF
- Tech Introvert
FF
- martha
Would have been ff, but traveling and in location with limited connectivity, so CNN.
- Steve
I overheard someone who was on the phone and got told that Michael Jackson had died
- Jorge Barba
friendfeed
- zsafwan
Survey as no option for Facebook. I learned it from someone's status update.
- David Spencer
Friendfeed. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
checking in on friendfeed before going to bed last night - i'm on vacation and haven't seen a tv - also haven't been online too much either
- Chris Heath
twitter
- Mary DeSive
twitter
- Bill Sanders
twitter...it wasn't even a search, just everyone i followed was talking about it
- Anthony Farrior
Friendfeed
- Alejandro
friendfeed(tweets included)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
friendfeed
- Ethan
Twitter.
- cecily
Twitter piped through friendfeed.
- mikepk
FriendFeed.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
twitter
- Kiran Patchigolla
My wife got a text from an SMS service provided by People Magazine. When I asked who sent it to her, she was almost too embarrassed to tell me.
- Chip Ramsey
Good one Chip :D
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Yahoo News when I was checking my email.
- Dawn
Friendfeed
- Brome
While in a meeting, I received a frantic call from co-worker who saw it on TMZ.com
- felicious
I saw on igoogle that he had a heart attack, but it wasn't until later talking to my Mother I learned he had died.
- Grant Bierman
Rumor on FF, confirmed by the DJ at a roller rink.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
twitter
- Corbett Barr
FriendFeed
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
Tina: That's fantastic. Were you by chance playing paddle tag or shooting the duck at the time?
- Chip Ramsey
Nope: I was trying to not fall on my arse at a roller derby practice. The last time I skated MJ was in his heyday, so it was weirdly symmetrical.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
A quick hack to script http://wittman.org/project... and so far the stats here are: (Of 101): Friendfeed:39 | Twitter:27 | (?):35
- Micah Wittman
A tweet from Breaking News Online.
- Derrick
Here are the ambiguous per the script: (?): I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds. - Louis Gray (?): From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel. - Fred Yankowski (?): CNN from my dad's Behold - Mohomed Abdullahi (?): email alert from a local news station on my phone. - Steve Lowe (?): I was on a conference call...
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- Micah Wittman
New York Times online
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Friendfeed.
- Joey Gibson
Twitter
- Kevin Pedraja
FriendFeed.
- Christopher Harley
Mainstream Media Online
- Carlo Nasuti
FF
- Davis Freeberg
Offline. I KNOW!!! Crazy.
- Kandeezie
FriendFeed.
- Parth Awasthi
DrudgeReport. Heard about him being rushed to the hospital via MSNBC news alert popup. Was working and wasn't checking twitter/ff at the time.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Wife txt me about the sad news
- Brady
A spam comment on my blog
- Richard Reeve
Twitter. But I saw the tweets running through my FriendFeed Home stream.
- Chris Baskind
Is it bad that I don't remember? Let me get back to you...Facebook, perhaps? I think it was before I was gonna go do some missions and quests and try to get Pyros. My brother sent me an SMS before that, but I didn't see it until after I knew.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
FF
- YoYo_P
Mother told me.
- Burcu Dogan
twitter
- Ekin Arabacioglu
Twitter - on June 25th - Twitter's trending topics told me that 3 celebrities died. They were 2 out of 3. I think Jeff Goldblum is still living....
- Mike Nencetti
FF! duh.
- Frankie Warren
Hah... I saw it on Twitter... sure didn't hear it from CNN. :)
- Sean
Radio, in the car.
- Patricia
My wife told me after hearing about it in TV.
- Glenn Trtanj
Twitter
- Hutch Carpenter
twitter & friendfeed.
- Oğuz Serdar
Wait... He's dead?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
PBS
- Lisa zahara Hopkins
Twitter
- Tyson Key
pillar of fire on the horizon.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Twitter
- Charlotte M
FriendFeed...probably via Twitter
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Twitter
- Bora Zivkovic
FriendFeed, through @Mona
- Mark Aitken
friendfeed
- Alfredo
Friends at CNN.
- Mona Nomura
Friendfeed
- Victor Ganata
Michael Jackson is Dead?!! First I've heard of this! ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
I got the initial notice that he was rushed to the hospital via Cnnbrk that I have sent to my phone, so I guess Twitter (though official word came for me via CNN itself)
- BCK
Facebook, from Mona
- Mike Nayyar
twitter, but immediately went to latimes.com to check
- kelly
facebook
- Alessandro
Veronica on FF
- Stephen Mack
FF, plus checking all possible possibles sources.
- diego morelli
I felt a disturbance in the force
- Geoff Schultz
My friend Missy predicted 10 hours earlier, I found out while making frenchtoast and watching the News, they said Coma, I said bs
- Tsali, The Native of FF
I woke up from a nap to it being on the news. In my groggy state, I saw his picture, and was trying to make sense of it. Finally it clicked, and then it was sort of like, "Huh?! He was only 40 something. That doesn't make any sense. " (He was actually 50) .
- Nimabeckie
My oldest son called me and let me know..
- aerobroken
Twitter.
- Bonnie Foster
Twitter
- Aaron
Twitter...
- Mark Harai
TV News - in Australia regular broadcasting stopped on two channels as they covered the event in LA for most of the day - another station played MJ all night til dawn. Of course once I was online, I could see that even twitter was mourning.
- Chris Loft
A friend IMed me.
- Lu Liu
Facebook, then Twitter a few seconds later.
- Chris Luckhardt
FF.
- Alix Whitmire
XM radio, on the way to my new place.
- David Cook
from fftogo
Friend listening to car radio. He was pulling his car into the garage. Got out of the car and said MJ and Farrah just died.
- David Damore
Fox news
- Russ Jackson
Was delivering coffee to an espresso stand, the barista told me that she heard about 30 min before, she had 4 friends txt it to her.
- Christian Burns
Alix texted it to me.
- Shawn Whitmire
Local news report on TV
- Mol, Santa Claws
Sky News. Since I was away from the PC at the time.
- Nicholas James
Ya'll.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Seesmic Desktop --> Facebook --> from Mona :) I later left to run an errand and listened to "Beat It" playing on the car radio during a tribute. I felt it was very fitting I found out the news from a combination of social media but actually sort of accepted it as true by hearing it on the radio - as opposed to something like YouTube. It just goes to show how long he's been around and how much has changed since The Jackson 5 days. The word revolutionary comes to mind.
- TheMacMommy
(Of 169): friendfeed:56 | twitter:45 | (?):69
- Micah Wittman
Twitter, just cuz that was the tab I had visible. Wait...when did I find out he was in the hospital, or when did I find out he was actually dead? Two diff questions.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Associated Press's iPhone app pushed breaking news to my phone. So "other".
- Rob Haas
FriendFeed (there were 57 votes for FriendFeed when I voted)
- Miss Elle
Text. (I was outside and away from a computer. Subsequently informed everyone at the call center with which I do business, since I'm pretty sure they don't have Internet access there.)
- Sue Radd
Google News
- Nikhil Dandekar
Duh..Twitter
- Saad Kamal
on friendfeed...
- K.D.
Email from a friend in the US so I saw it morning my time in Europe
- Krishna De
Friendfeed, but had to go to LA Times and CNN to believe it.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Do you mean "how did you find out that he'd died?" or "how did you find out that some people were saying he'd died?". The answer to the first is "on the BBC". The second is "FriendFeed" - although what I saw on FF was a feed through of Twitter.
- Ian Betteridge
Heard that MJ fell ill on Japanese TV. Saw that he died on FriendFeed. Checked CNN et al, and eventually they confirmed it.
- Rick Cogley
Email from a friend
- Diego Barros
Twitter, when MJ's death was a rumour or unconfirmed
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
CELEB text alert from 4info
- Tim Connors
office chatter
- Thom Kennon
The people behind me at the Red Sox game were talking about it.
- Leslie Carbone
Twitter retweet of TMZ article
- Manuel Mas
What is this TMZ that you speak of. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Via Facebook. I was surprised I learned about it there...
- Samuel Driessen
The News. I walked into my Boss's office and he had it on TV. I'd been in meetings all day at that point and hadn't had access to any of my connected devices.
- Jason Toney
When my wife told me. Same way I found out he had gone to hospital. I continued to not care.
- Eoghann Irving
Facebook. Tim Cuprisin posted the TMZ scoop: http://bit.ly/MppYm
- Mark Czerniec
friendfeed....
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Plurk. Funny thing was that on FF I saw a slew of MJ posts paying tribute, but didn't understand why everyone on FF was so MJ crazy. A friend on Plurk directly commented that he and Farrah had died.
- Criz
I found out Michael Jackson had been hospitalized on Twitter. then rumors started that me may be / might not be dead, so I tried searching the web for confirmation and found nothing. Soon, there were links on Twitter to the CBS UStream broadcast which confirmed his death for me.
- jbrotherlove
I told about it in this post: http://friendfeed.com/kmeelah...
- Kamilah Gill
Twitter.
- Curt Mercadante
Local news of his cardia arrest. Twitter of his death. And all within minutes of it hitting the air.
- Graham English
f2f
- j1m
my son verbally told me about mj's death after he found out on twitter
- mike "glemak" dunn
Twitter
- Svartling
gmail status message of a coworker
- ta√i
facebook
- howard shippin
FF first. Confirmed through multiple traditional sources.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
facebook...i saw "RIP Jacko"
- constance taft
can i change my vote?...
- Thom Kennon
Jason Calacanis on Twitter.
- timedalkat
I'm currently in the hospital and i suddenly woke up in the middle of the night at 3:30 AM and couldn't fall a sleep again, so i turned on my cell phone and in the magic of that quite hospital night i found out from Facebook's statuses of my friends that he's dead. It was a very sad and strange feeling.
- Tibor Holoda
Got a txt msg just after 2p (MJ Cardiac Arrest 911) - Turned to my friend and said what the msg said and "He is goinna die" due to Ed McMahon dying earlier this week and that whole 'dying in 3s" thing. I didn't know about Farrah Fawcett until around 5pm. I was away from my computer al day and don't have a 'smartphone.'
- RAD Moose
Saw it in a Swedish tabloid (?) in a Coöp Nara (grocery) in Stockholm. It was in Swedish, but Michael Jackson 1958-2009 was clear enough.
- Ruchira S. Datta
twitter
- Jeffrey Marsh
From a sports radio show
- Yiorgos Adamopoulos
overheard at Whole Foods. Mistrusted, unable to hear on radio (at 6:30 EST); confirmed at 7:10 via the New York Times who had just reported it.
- Stephanie_Thankful
MJ died?
- Keith - @tsudo
haha - haven't you heard!
- Mark Harai
from email
Twitter/FriendFeed. Way before the media.
- Amit Morson
Facebook
- Bob Blunk
friendfeed
- John Black
twitter
- Chad
Facebook
- Scott Gould
Facebook
- Sai
A tweet from Mona on FriendFeed.
- Kol Tregaskes
my friendfeed friends told me
- Mike Chelen
Michael who?
- Nick B.
From a friend....trur word-of-mouth. I was in the Sierras at the Northern California Dance Collective with no internet or TV access.
- Mitchell Tsai
friendfeed
- Bren, Not Grinchy
If he were happy, balanced, and well-adjusted, would he still be a super-star? Perhaps it was the same demon driving both sides.
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You're right, I probably wouldn't be.
- Jim Norris
Are you talking about Jim Morrison? Jimi Hendrix? John Belushi? Vincent Van Gogh?
- Gabe
Yes Gabe.
- Paul Buchheit
Doubtful. History gives many that were great but also outside the norm of their time.
- Seek Ground
from email
Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Chet Baker, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
A hand surgeon once told me there is a fine line between genius and insanity, but maybe there is no line after all.
- Victor Ganata
Per _The Creative Brain_, there does seem to be some correlation between creativity and bipolar disorder. But, contrary to what some might think, depressive periods do *not* tend to be creative--creativity and positive mood go together.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I don't think bipolar is the only factor. There are other things that can make people unbalanced.
- Paul Buchheit
On the other hand, I was just at the Van Gogh museum yesterday and I liked some of the work he did after the onset of his mental illness the best.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Paul, yes, definitely.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Who do you mean? Bernie Madoff, Mark Sanford, or Mahmoud Ahmedinijad?
- Peter Norvig
+1 peternorvig
- Ginger Makela Riker
This is something I've wondered too Paul. It's the extremes that propel.
- Hutch Carpenter
I got the distinct impression this was in reference to Michael Jackson
- Angus Burton
So some say in order to become happy, well balanced and adjusted, he was on so many meds that his heart just gave out.
- Rafat Alvi
Tornado warning! http://forecast.weather.gov/showsig... Sirens blaring! Don't think we're in any actual danger, but sheltering in basement just in case.
Stay safe!
- Seek Ground
from email
The day online news took over - http://www.austin360.com/blogs...
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One day perhaps, but not the first and not for everyone.
- Seek Ground
from email
It's already the fifth-warmest June in Austin since 1854, with little relief in sight: http://www.statesman.com/blogs...
How did people survive before air conditioning?
- Seek Ground
from email
Would you give up your spouse, car, Internet, iPhone or DVD player in order to keep your TiVo? Survey says...
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BTW - I didn't REALLY say I would give up my spouse for TiVo. I just wanted it for the screen cap.
- Louis Gray
I would only give up my DVD player for TiVo.
- felix
Guy walks into a Best Buy and says, "I'd like a TiVo for my wife." "Sorry, sir, no trades."
- Stephen Mack
I could live without DVD, now if I only had a HD TiVo, that would really up the ante
- Rick Bucich
I've never owned a TiVo
- Jesse Stay
Hey Jesse... think of it this way. TiVo is FriendFeed for your TV. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, I have Windows Media Center to do that, and I can do much more :-P Not to mention my Netflix subscription and Hulu access
- Jesse Stay
All for free...
- Jesse Stay
Free? Jesse, how did you get yourself free WMC software and hardware?
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, I mean I don't pay any monthly fee. TiVo costs money up front too. And Windows 7 is free right now.
- Jesse Stay
You can easily get all of our models with Product Lifetime to avoid monthly fees, and the end result will be cheaper, quieter and more reliable than any WMC set-up. (Sure, I'm biased.)
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, I've had my PC for 3 years now, and anything that needs to be fixed, upgraded or replaced I only have to replace the part. Add into that I would have the computer anyway for my kids and family (it is the family computer), there is really 0 cost for the WMC components. :-) (and no bias here, sorry - I'm actually a Mac user)
- Jesse Stay
I find Tivo extremely expendable. Mostly because I prefer to get all of my television on the computer through various sources.
- Geoff Schultz
Jesse, so when someone in your family wants to check e-mail, you have to stop watching Macgyver? Geoff, are you sitting on a couch to do that watching, or in your office on an office chair? Everyone has their own preferences, but neither of those scenarios are what I would choose.
- Stephen Mack
In many ways the debate between a dedicated DVR like TiVo vs. a PC or Mac is like the debate between dedicated game machines (like a Wii or an Xbox) vs. a PC or Mac. Yes, PCs and Macs can run some games very well. But if all you want is a dedicated game machine for running games, it's often convenient and easier to get hardware just for that purpose. Here's my FriendFeed promise: Try...
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- Stephen Mack
Stephen, you need to learn your competition. WMC is a service - it runs in the background. No normal usage of the PC affects any of the WMC components. My PC runs in my basement office, and streams all content up to my Xbox - in fact, it can run it up to multiple extenders throughout the house, all on one device, no monthly fees, and I can continue to use the PC as a PC with no...
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- Jesse Stay
That said, the advantage TiVo does have (which isn't worth it to me, IMO) is that it's a device you can plug and play, no additional set up or network connection necessary. Microsoft is failing in educating its users on this particular use-case. It's actually not hard on WMC - people just don't know about it.
- Jesse Stay
Ah, Jesse, I presumed you were using your PC with WMC in your living room and not an extender. Bad assumption on my part. But I meet so few people who know about extender features and have configured it properly. I think you're right that Microsoft needs to educate more, but I'm not complaining that they don't.
- Stephen Mack
Jesse... you're comparing apples and oranges. TiVo is the gold standard and has defined what the world expects from a DVR. Nothing else comes close. What you're trying to compare is like saying that you can make a white box PC at Frys and that it's better than a Dell or a Mac. Walk away.
- Louis Gray
Louis, what you're implying is that what I'm doing is a hack - this is software that comes pre-installed with all new versions of Windows 7. It's an education and UI issue on Microsoft's part. All anyone needs to buy is a Windows Media Center extender (which would be the equivalent to the TiVo), plug it in, and it pretty much works out of the box if you have a Windows 7 machine (Dell, HP, etc) anywhere on the network.
- Jesse Stay
And in my case I already have an Xbox 360 so that Media Center Extender is already built-in.
- Jesse Stay
Josh it's the only thing Microsoft is good for. The only reason I still have a PC to tell you the truth - otherwise I'd just own a Mac. In one box (my Xbox 360), I get the DVR capabilities, Apple TV Capabilities, a DVD player, and much, much more. I have no need for a TiVo because of it, and in this case I think it's reason to call it competition for them.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, actually Microsoft is shipping a lot more commercial Media Extenders now, especially since Vista and now Windows 7. They're really starting to push that market.
- Jesse Stay
Josh regarding stability I haven't had a major crash in about a year on my Vista machine. It's all about finding a computer fast enough to handle it - no different than a Mac. On Macs they just come pre-bundled with the hardware needed for the OS.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, Microsoft is *years* ahead of Apple in that game right now. I've owned an AppleTV before and was left much wanting.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, sounds like you're opening a new thread re: the Apple TV. Ours does great. It's iTunes for the TV and it does exactly that. Could it be stronger? Sure. But if you let iTunes be your media filter, which I do, there's no alternative. AppleTV and TiVo keep our living room Microsoft free. We don't to give the twins Redmond Radiation.
- Louis Gray
Louis and Josh name one thing the AppleTV does that my combined Xbox 360 and WMC machine can't do. I can name at least 10 features that mine can do that your AppleTV can't do.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, why buy the movie when you can just stream it for cheaper? I can integrate my iPod with my Xbox as easily as a Zune. Why do I have to use a Zune?
- Jesse Stay
Josh, how is that? My iPhone works great with the Microsoft experience. You're now just sounding like an Apple fanboy. I don't think Microsoft ever said you had to use a Zune with the experience.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, and that's one deficiency of the AppleTV - lack of flexibility
- Jesse Stay
Josh I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro, and just reserved another iPhone for my wife. How am I a Microsoft FanBoy? I've owned both an AppleTV *and* an Xbox 360. I like features of each.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, I think you'll find that my defense has been very constructive. I'm very willing to point out Apple's flaws where they occur. I am also willing to point out Microsoft's flaws where they lie as well. Microsoft has many more flaws than Apple right now.
- Jesse Stay
such as what? Microsoft's flaws? Or Microsoft's strengths?
- Jesse Stay
Josh, their OS doesn't fit my needs for one. I need the equivalent to Spaces. I need a bash shell as a *nix developer. Windows 7 blue screens for me all the time. I hate their anti-OSS mentality. I hate the UI of Windows, although it's heading in the right direction. I hate that Windows takes up 40 GB of my hard drive. I hate that they still have yet to perfect 64 bit architecture. I hate that they are trying to rope developers into their own platform and environment. I hate the cost of Windows.
- Jesse Stay
I like the beer/chocolate right after spouse, like, yeah now that THAT's gone... bring on the binging!
- anna sauce
Anna, I do like Bing, but it's no Google
- Jesse Stay
Josh, it's the exact reason I own both Microsoft and Apple products. It's also the same reason I run Linux for my server environment.
- Jesse Stay
I choose the best tool for the job
- Jesse Stay
Stephen, I have my PC hooked up to a flat panel TV as a secondary display. So as far as a different "experience" there isn't one for me. I have DirecTV(which is not TiVo but a fairly comparable product) hooked up to the same television but it just sort of sits there as noise when I am doing other things and when it comes time to watch I change input. The interesting thing is that I could easily dvr the programming and, well, just don't for what ever reason.
- Geoff Schultz
I don't have TiVo.
- Morton Fox
No
- Seek Ground
from email
when you go landscape on your iPhone/Touch which way do you go? Left or Right.
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Interesting question.
- Geoff Schultz
I go left.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I go left too!
- Sheryl
Left.
- Louis Gray
Counter-clockwise.
- LogEx
left
- Jesse Stay
Left
- Brett Kelly
Left
- Roberto Bonini
counter-clockwise. I'm always vaguely surprised that it even works the other way, though I can't say why.
- Kevin Fox
Counter-clockwise. Right handed.
- David Damore
Counter-clockwise. Left Handed.
- The Letter M
Righthanded so I go counter-clockwise to have the home button at my most comfortable thumb...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Since Fieldrunners took over my life, and it only goes left, I go left, too.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
Counter-clockwise. Right handed.
- Tony Ruscoe
counter-clockwise (lots of apps require it anyway)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Left.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Jason - they require you to go counter-clockwise? that sounds kinda stupid to require.
- John Wang
I thought I was the only one who ever wondered about this http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... .... Right.
- Micah Wittman
It happens a lot on games that only work in landscape. The splash screen will start with a counter-clockwise rotation.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Right? Um... I turn it so the home button is on the right side :)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
@Jason - oh, ok. That makes more sense. I thought it was just regular apple apps like Mail or something.
- John Wang
Left
- Josh Haley
Left
- Seek Ground
Counter-clockwise to type, clockwise to use the camera because the button's on top that way. (I don't have an iPhone, just an LG touch screen phone.)
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Left.
- ronin
Right
- Brian Bufalo
Depends... I usually go left for typing and right for games (that way, the speaker doesn't get covered up.
- Johnny Worthington
How Has the Presidency Changed Most in the Last 30 Years? - http://hnn.us/article...
"Under our Constitution, the federal executive branch has no inherent authority to issue general rules on the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the drugs we take, the cars we drive, the conditions under which we work and play, our susceptibility to discrimination in schools, in public accommodations, and in the workplace, our entitlements to health care, disability insurance, and income security in our old age – or on any of the other aspects of our individual or collective welfare that are currently subject to administrative regulation."
- Seek Ground
California expects to find more new flu cases - Reuters - http://news.google.com/news...
Oh no
- Seek Ground
Entertaining Tip: An Alternative to Name Tags - http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitc...
What so you do if no one is interested in your subject?
- Seek Ground
The Subterranean Machine Dreams of a Paralyzed Youth in Los Angeles - http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2009...
I am not sure if this is fiction brought to life or life brought to fiction.
- Seek Ground
Dirty Cash: Man in Black's makeover - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music...
I do not think he is wrong.
- Seek Ground
How the Other Half Writes: In Defense of Twitter - http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Compares twitter to a ball point pen. Very well written defense of twitter being used by the masses.
- Seek Ground
I think it would be cool if friendfeed asked if you really wanted to repost a link that had already been posted by anyone else...prompt you with something like "Perhaps you weren't aware, but someone already posted a thread with this link, would you like us to bring you to that thread instead so you can comment and or like it?"
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Such a feature would be money, in my opinion.
- Alex Scoble
Definitely!
- directeur
Second that.
- Tom Landini
3rd that. That would be cool!
- AJ Batac
yup
- vijay
There is a lot of duplication. Might put http://friendfeedlinks.com/ out of business though.
- LogEx
Would be nice. But to discover duplication from among all services here? Gasp! May be tough to execute.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
I wanted to say that Digg has had that for years now.
- Richard A.
That's a great idea... I believe on blog posts and RSS feeds they info you of cross listings.
- Eric
Like a digg dupe detection thing would be good, but would have to be better than theirs, it sucks.
- Simon Wicks
definitely
- Manuela
Make this happen :)
- Erik Gulliksen
I would hate it to be just "somebody else" -- I suspect lots of the same links are posted to different groups but don't cause seeing the same link over and over again -- which I think is what it would be good to prevent. Maybe it could occur based on some algorithm -- posted by someone you subscribe to and potentially seen by some percentage 50? maybe of people that subscribe to you.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah, Brian, I agree, it shouldn't be mandatory and perhaps it is based on people that you are subscribed to or are in your FOAF sphere, but it would still be good to know, allowing a friendfeeder to make an informed choice.
- Alex Scoble
Good idea. It shouldn't be too difficult.
- Rutger Blom
I like the concept but not for all of FriendFeed. Just tell me about duplicates in my little corner please.
- Seek Ground
SG, I would agree. If it's a duplicate in my "Subscription Circle", I don't want to send it out AGAIN. I've seen a number of posts repeat each other. Some by days, some by minutes.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I agree with Seek Ground
- Soup
I'd agree that that's a good start, although giving me the option to turn it on to all of friendfeed would be great too.
- Alex Scoble
Maybe kshep ' s ffcheck http://beta.friendfeed.com/kshep... bookmarklet could be adapted for a client side hack.
- Micah Wittman
But what would be interesting then is to see how many people shared the same link. Good test for popularity of what you are writing for your FF audience.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
then it wouldn't be any fun pointing out that you already posted the item like, months ago to the person.
- Josh Haley
So in other words, you want Digg.
- Mike Nayyar
Mike, I am now aborting our love child. No, I don't want Digg! Digg sucks. I want friendfeed to have the feature I described above which would not suck and which would increase the awesomeness of friendfeed by 5%!
- Alex Scoble
Josh likes the bitch slap approach.
- Morgan Haley
Yeah this debate is interesting! It's a kind of respect towards the others FFers, but on the other hand, resharing links also enables to share the items for his own circle of friends who do not automatically see your likes.
- Stanislas Jourdan
Meanwhile, there's http://ffcheck.com
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought they'd tried a "similar items from..." before, no? Now all that's left is the similar items when someone's feed brings in multiple references to the same item.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
never knew of FFCheck, thats great!
- Simon Wicks
Wow FFcheck is great indeed!
- Stanislas Jourdan
Now to all of us : do we have to share it or not ;-) ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: Why would you? Just comment on/like an existing entry. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
that was my point ;-) But this is so great that I want to share this to my friends who may not come here. Would you mind if I reshare it ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
I'd rather if the reshare option credited the original poster.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
If they were to do that, wouldn't it cause the number of comments to sky rocket? I don't know if I'd have the stamina to read that many comments all the time. Could I filter the comments to include only my friends/contacts?
- Damond Nollan
Damond...good point. Didn't think of that unintended consequence.
- Alex Scoble
Good one Alex. I literally just did then deleted it.
- Charlie Anzman
But... But... If I can not choose from the 47 different Google Reader posts of the newest iPhone fart app you are limiting my civil right!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
I'm fine with that, Mark, because that's a stupid right.
- Alex Scoble
Good idea a friendfeed gentleman's code of conduct however what about those of the southern hemisphere? There posts are new to them
- sofarsoShawn
I like the option part and the in my little corner of FF part. oh...and the limiting Mark's stupid right part. heheh.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I often reshare a link from Google reader because a heck of a lot more of my friend use Reader than friendfeed. (When asked why not friend feed, their response was --- it's kinda redundant)
- Piaw Na
I like this idea
- (jeff)isageek
The Feedly extension does this to some extent, too. It pulls in FF convos to items you read in Feedly, and has a little floaty thing on every site that tells you if its been posted on digg or FF before (it's not always right, though). You can one-click search for the item on FF as well from the floaty thing, but it searches all of FF. I usually end up narrowing the search to my subscriptions, because I don't care if I double-post some random person's GReader share with my awesome bookmarklet share. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yeah, well it wouldn't mark a native friendfeed post as being the same as what's coming through greader anyhow. It should (RIGHTLY) give friendfeed native posts priority.
- Alex Scoble
Love the idea of reducing duplicates... sometimes I don't bother posting stuff thinking some one is bound to have shared it already so no need for more noise. But a prompt would be great.
- Sally Church
I don't think it's a good idea. A major reason why FriendFeed is not Reddit is because there are actually multiple clusters of people who associate with each other by choice, rather than one giant one. That's fundamental to the design and is as much the reason why the conversations are good quality as is the so-called 'moderation'. I don't just want to join a conversation about a link - I want to join a conversation with people who *I* think are diverse and intelligent, and I do so by getting my links...
- Robin Barooah
...by subscribing to people who have hosted such discussions before. The so called 'trolls' or just people who I don't understand or benefit from, can associate with people they like and not me and so the community automatically segments itself into groupings that people enjoy.
- Robin Barooah
dups don't bother me. now with things going so much faster, dup checking would slow things down. peeps just need to get over it being "rude" in some way.
- BEX
Now you are just being rude, BEX. ;)
- Alex Scoble
*arms crossed* Hmmph
- BEX
I would enjoy that Alex. It's very Digg, but useful in keeping the noise down here.
- Brandon Mendelson
(Jandy - thanks for the feedly feedback. we will make "search my network only" a preference)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
80,000 likes and comments on one post? Don't know if that would add or subtract to the value of the information. Smaller groups of people find each other and coalesce around info they like or wish to comment on. Forcing everyone to meet at the same place might just take away the intimate feel of FriendFeed and turn it into MassFeed. Not sure about this idea.
- Patrick Yaeger
I don't know if I would like it or not... I think an option would be good.
- Evan Travers
I think we just need a link to the others persons that shared the item (for the reasons given by Patrick and Robin)
- Stanislas Jourdan
I think a simple warning to say this post already appears in this or these feeds (with links to those posts so you can comment/like) would be most welcome. FF must be able to do this as the dup detector already does this (the only difference is it does it after posting). Kinda like a Digg duplicate detector. I'd love this!
- Kol Tregaskes
I say Do It!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It worked for Digg. It's a good idea, plus it will prevent anyone from yelling "DUPE!".
- Matthew
I'd like it if that link went in my feed too, effectively giving it a bump, but yeah, great idea.
- Chris Nixon
I think the solution isn't too let people know that they are reposting links, but to group similar stories together like Google News or TechMeme with one massive conversation at the top. Yesterday, I wanted to find the FF conversation for the crazy pastor who got beaten by the cops. A quick FF search of his name yielded over 500 links between digg, delicious and tweets. Eventually I found the only one with a conversation attached, but it took way to much searching.
- Davis Freeberg
Another issue arises when different news networks report on the same story: the content is the same but the sources are completely different ie washingtonpost.com vs CNN
- sofarsoShawn
I use either feedly or ffcheck before posting if I see that something has already been posted by someone directly on FF and received comments and likes I don't post it. If I think it is something important and worthwhile I can bump the original entry by adding a comment. Obviously there is a huge amount of duplication with news channel and blogs reporting the same stories but I think there should be inbuilt ways not to see the same things from the same source over and over again.
- M F
yes, i do not say much in case it has been done before, and i missed it.
- Tatty Gibson
Alex: What's the exact problem here? You want to see _every_ comment by anyone posted about a particular link on FF? Or your want to not see the same link posted multiple times in your own feed? I have a feeling that there's a real, solvable problem, but we're missing it because we're focussing on one proposed solution. Feel like starting a new thread?
- Robin Barooah
I've already done a very good job of laying out the problem and the solution. You can feel free to start a new thread for a problem that you have and give your proposed solution.
- Alex Scoble
I agree with bex and most certainly don't think that something that worked for digg should become the punchlist for friendfeed - I use search on title to find similar posts and comment there if makes sense
- mike "glemak" dunn
Great idea for a new feature, I think it would also be worthwhile if FF told you the date that such a link was last shared, and who it was that shared it.
- Garin Kilpatrick
This would be an awesome feature - similar to Diggs in a way and it improved Digg alot by its implementation imo
- Nicholas James
Alex: I've read all of your comments in this thread and I don't see you state what problem you're solving. You say that you'd like the feature of being able to see if someone else has already posted a link so that you can comment there instead of reposting - and you explore this idea. You say clearly *what* you want, but you don't explain why. And honestly, I have no interest in starting my own thread about this, but I am interested in knowing what you are thinking.
- Robin Barooah
Good idea but if I want to post a link that a Scoble had already posted, any discussion I wanted to have with my friends on it would get lost in your discussion. The option should be their but opt in only.
- CJPhoto
That's why it would be voluntary on whether you still post or not, but everyone should be notified that they are about to repost.
- Alex Scoble
This is a noticeable problem when you use Feedly (and also partially solved by it, as I believe someone here has pointed out). Every news item has several different FriendFeed posts related to it :-(
- Jalada
The really cool Twitter/friendfeed users were on those services "before they were Scobleized." Were you? Check in here with your story:
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I'm pretty sure I was on Twitter BS (before Scobleized), but not FF. FF is where I heard of Scoble, and followed his lead by making FF my homepage.
- shaun mclane
I made my Friend Feed account way before we met at Gnomedex last year, but it was after meeting you that I started being active. So that is your fault. Twitter however was the first micro-blogging (for lack of a better term) site I was active on. I think Leo is to blame for that one.
- MarkCarras
Was on Friendfeed when it was in beta looking for something to show all of the social networks I was at in one place. I think I joined a few days before it became open to the public. Come to think of it I signed up to Friendfeed before I did Twitter.
- Michael Ryan
scoble, i think its going to be more "before it was oprah-ised", they've got some hashtag in twitter going now...
- Terry O'Fee
I was on Twitter early but heard of FF through you
- Mike Brewer
Was on both before I heard of you.. I learned of you through someones tweet.
- Drew Paul
Mark: Leo is to blame for getting me to really use Twitter too.
- Robert Scoble
i discovered twitter through the madness that is warren ellis. i dont know if you were here before or after. no idea.
- Terry O'Fee
Leo and Kevin Rose were my inspiration to use Twitter. I was a Pownce user before that.
- Jesse Stay
When did you start on FF, Robert? I didn't join because of you but I can't remember if you were here when I started or not... I know eventually I "found" you on here and started following.
- Lindsay
I believe I got on Friendfeed just a hair before you started getting really popular here.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Scoble: Leo is to blame for a great many things. :D
- MarkCarras
Honestly, I think I was skipping most of what you wrote before I was on FF or twitter and was just using Google Reader to follow stories. However, once here on FF where I was able to see the discussions around the stories I have quickly started reading and paying attention more to what you have to say.
- John Spyers
Lindsay: I was on friendfeed the last week of February 2008 if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Duncan Riley bought FF to my attention when he called Loius Gray a nasty name. remember that little shitstorm http://twitter.com/duncanr...
- James Beake
Ok, then you were definitely before me... I started sometime last April... I guess it's about my anniversary now!
- Lindsay
I thought I was on Twitter BS, but turns out according to Twitterholic.com Scoble was on nearly 5 months before me! Guess it's all a blur. Pretty sure I was on Plurk before Scoble....oh, he's not on Plurk. Incidentally, Scoble joined Twitter 11-20-2006. As far as FF, I thought Scoble pretty much put it on the map, singlehandedly.
- Paul Salzman
I was on Twitter and FriendFeed before they were Oprah-ized
- Hutch Carpenter
I started in Twitter in March 2007, but how do I find my commencement date here?
- Ian May
Louis Gray got me on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I must admit that I need the scobleizer to get me on certain services...
- Troy Malone
Pfft: of course Scoble was here before me. But I feel like I've been using both ff and twitter forever at this point.
- Susan Reynolds
My first Tweet was in March of 2007 on my Jeber account. Referred by Chris Pirillo, as I recall.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I can't remember when I started using FriendFeed. I think it was shortly after Scoble though.
- Jesse Stay
I think with the username /and, I might have you beat on FF Robert. Twitter you surely were in before me.
- Andrew Leahey
Joined FF before Scoble because I saw it was by some ex-googlers :P Way after Scoble on Twitter though.
- Brandon Titus
So Scoble, where are we all going next?
- shaun mclane
Chris Pirillo turned me onto both Twitter & FF--Scoble was already here (and there).
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Joined Twitter June-07 and FriendFeed (in beta) Oct-07. Mostly consuming value rather than adding it.
- Ryan Miller
I was on Socialmedian, Strands, FriendFeed, Toluu, ReadBurner, RSSmeme, before Scoble. :)
- Louis Gray
Scoble got me on to Google Reader. Fighting with Mark Hopkins of Mashable got me on to Twitter. Feedheads got me on to Facebook.
- Louis Gray
I registered and used both before becoming communication active with you Robert, but I will confess that because of you I am now 10x times more active on FF that I was prior
- Keith Barrett
I got on Twitter because of you, and FF because of you. Other things I do because they are beta and I love beta. Or even alpha. I can put up with a lot of discomfort to see if something's going to be interesting.
- Francine Hardaway
No, man, I follow you wherever you go like a dumb little zombie.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I'm with Francine. We may have a beta addiction that we need a 10 step program for
- Susan Reynolds
Shaun: that is the big question, isn't it? Based on how many people are trying to get me to participate, FourSquare is the next thing for early adopter types.
- Robert Scoble
I was on FF, but really decided to check it daily and make an effort to contribute after it was Scobelized...
- Jamie Ginsberg
What is FourSquare? Got a link? Google turned up nothing useful...
- Internet's Tad
Tad: Third result on google, http://playfoursquare.com/
- Brandon Titus
So does that mean that once Scoble is on a service it's no longer cool?
- xero
Ahh - I figured no way did that look interesting. LOL After taking a moment or two looking at it, it does seem like it has possibility, but it looks like no one is fooling with it here in Phoenix. I'll give it a few months and see if it generates more buzz. I'm a technophile, but I'm not an earliEST adopter.
- Internet's Tad
Xero: for some alpha geeks? Yes, that's exactly what it means! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not sure if I was on either service before Scoble. I actually seriously doubt I was...but I also doubt the service was any different having been scobleized. I followed Louis Gray here to FF, though. I think I do remember him getting Scoble here.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Well Robert I should have listened harder when you said FriendFeed was the place to be. I signed up but admit I only used FF to monitor a few rooms. Funny you should post this question on the day I had a FriendFeed epiphany and made the decision to go full gorilla.
- Jesse Newhart
Jeremiah Owyang's post had me met cool tweeters and more.. I was silently and rarely visit my friendfeed until I knew Mona and learned that she was a prominent friendfeeder..
- Pico Seno
I joined FF in September '07, the week before the first beta launched. I'm not an early adopter, just a mainsteamer with connections!
- Anne Bouey
It was in July 2007 that I signed up to Twitter and FF so definitely not before Scoble... although, you were one of the first tweeps I noticed and followed. I wouldn't be without them now. Both Twitter and FF are useful in my business and I'm learning more each day!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
I was after Scobleizer. I actually joined after I heard Leo Laporte mention it on TWiT. I didn't know what Twitter was at first. I found out about FF after Steve Issacs mentioned it at Twitter.
- Mol, Santa Claws
I joined both Twitter and Friendfeed yet before i first stepped on your blog ;) And BTW, not meaning to offend you Robert, but before i started reading your Frendfeed i never read anything of your - i thought you were a... Wellm something that Arrington has become now (with all the respect to him) =) Now you are my top priority source of trusted metadata =)
- Kirill Bolgarov
Kirill: I'm an aaarrrroogggannntttt bbbaaahhhssstttaaarrrrrddddd. You can say it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or at least I was until @ev took away my license. :-)
- Robert Scoble
no, I didn't join twitter until you drove me over the edge one day with your constant yammering about it when I was jumping up and down trying to get your attention about Julie Amero. It drove me to a rant and a challenge, which I ended up answering by joining twitter. LOL. I did join Friendfeed right away, before it caught fire with you, but it took me the better part of a year to figure out how to use it.
- Karoli
there's joining and then there's using... very different thing. Many of us have signed up on many things we don't really use except the occasional "how has it changed?" test, but should it become popular some will go "noobs, i was there early". Sure, there is satisfaction to having seen the value first, or even helped build it, but are we sure we did see the value and helped build it,...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I think it was JJ talking about it on twiiter, myself...
- Terry O'Fee
The one thing I know is I signed up for friendfeed before I signed up for twitter. I think next month marks my first year on ff. I started right around the same time as Robert did, if I’m not mistaken. I can’t remember, but I think it was a press release, which brought me here. I remember reading about it several times that week. Other than what I had read, I signed up not knowing what to expect. I don’t remember if I participated my first day, either
- Michael Fidler
. But, I can recall the conversations that day fairly well. I remember Robert making comments about how much less noise there was here. He was excited at the prospect of being able to have longer conversations, finally. He also loved the idea of rooms, and the different uses they might have. I also remember that everyone else was tired of the Fail Whale, and friendfeed might be a...
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- Michael Fidler
Robert: maybe just a little if you insist ;) But to be serious, coming back to Twitter vs. Friendfeed discussion: to me it's about context. On FrF you have tons of it, maximum one click away,and most of the time it's even embedded! Twitter is like web search - you have to make zillions of clicks and maybe, *maybe*, then you will find out the context of the conversation. That's why i didn't follow you (along with some other people) much - because basically all I saw the tweets, which were out of context.
- Kirill Bolgarov
If the target is lucrative enough spammers will find a way to circumvent the system. Rooms at this point seem particularly vulnerable.
- Brian Sullivan
I was on Twitter before Scoble got in.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
I just realized I've been saying it wrong all along.
- Craig Brownell
I'm decidedly uncool then, as I'm sure I joined both services after Robert.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOL, it was Louis Gray that showed the way for me. Sorry Robert, :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Dan: why be sorry? It was Louis who got me on friendfeed too!
- Robert Scoble
I discovered FF through you. Changed my online experience ! Thanks.
- Guy Vander Heyden
@Robert - Awesome.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
I knew about Twitter from nonRS sources. However, Twitter did lead me to RS who then led me to FF. I did resist until the new Beta, however. :)
- CAJ, somewhere else
robert I am guessing we joined the services around the same time. i think I was one of the first 1300 people on twitter and pretty early on FF as well. so probably pretty close.
- (jeff)isageek
I don't know if it counts if you are the type that signs up for anything that launches.
- coldbrew
You were on twitter before me but I am pretty sure that I was on FriendFeed before you. It seems like I had to pull you in as imaginary.
- Seek Ground
I was on facebook before you. I remeber when you joined and I was able to "be your friend" within the first couple hundred.
- Christian Burns
Joined Twitter last September and was FF months before that. Twitter is "played". Too noisy. FF is so much better. Will be spending most of my time here.
- Carlo At Your Service
i have an idea and thought that friendfeed.com domain suits very well. enter the site and then the awesomeness begins by luck.
- İzzet Emre Kutlu
I did not realize the value of friendfeed until Scoble was accused to be an addict by Arrington. :-)
- Martin Seibert
I was on FriendFeed.com about 1 week after they launched in early 2008. Joined Twitter in Feb 2008. I had heard of Scobleizer only a little bit, but was hearing him make more and more noise on the tubes! @Spin Eric Rice gave me the URL link to FriendFeed. Then this guy LG, err.. umm... oh yeah... Louis Gray kept pimping FF, so I stuck around a while and wow, it's all been good ever since! Robert Scoble "Scobleizer" soon became another great person to follow on FF... you guys all rock!! woo hooo!!1
- Susan Beebe
Martin - I was a fervent defender of Scoble on that TechCrunch blog post re "Scoble needs intervention" crap. Mike didn't "get" FriendFeed; in fact, he STILL doesn't value FF...augh! I love Mike anyway, but man catch already! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Twitter was because of an article I read about it, but FF was because Scoble was the first person I followed on Twitter and he was just starting to discuss FF.
- David Cook
I found twitter, ff, and Robert Scoble via Ed Dale and the Thirty Day Challenge 08. Glad to have found all 3!
- LeighaB
Yes I actually was on FF before becoming Scobelize which oddly enough I found through Facebook as sort of famousfriend Ryan Leech famous Canadian Norco mountain biker http://friendfeed.com/rleech keeps us updated through FF. The rest in terms of being Scobelized is history PS he could help you with your mountain bike question: though i'm sure he'd say Norco all the way
- sofarsoShawn
I was on Twitter before I ran into Robert Scoble. However, he talked enough about FF that I decided to figure out what he was talking about. Here I am!
- Damond Nollan
No to twitter, yes to friendfeed. Surprised it took you a while to get on friendfeed. I enjoy all that you do. Thanks.
- Harold Cabezas
What Harold said.
- Bruce Lewis
I have no idea.
- Anthony Citrano
I was on Twitter after you, but I think I got on FF around the same time, though at the time I was thinking it wasn't that great, I am sorry to say.
- Neal Jansons
I have to admit I never heard of you before I got on Twitter, but followed you because of stuff you posted. I think it was you who brought me to Friendfeed in March 2008 and I'll be always grateful for that ;-)
- Gaby K. Slezák
Nope after Scoble for, twitter and FriendFeed, joined both due to the TWiT effect (ie. constant talking about them on TWiT shows). But was on Jaiku and Vox before Leo and Scoble, unfortunately Jaiku use has died down in the last few months. Jaiku's threaded comments are still superior to twitter for conversation any day of the week.
- LonelyBob
New web 2.0 terms: "Scobleized" and "Oprah-ized"
- James Guske
Yeap; joined twitter in April 2007, and FriendFeed soon after launch. But was anything ever not Scobleized?
- Keith Barrett
21 polo horses die mysteriously in Florida - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport...
Sad
- Seek Ground
Google Similar Images - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
Worth trying
- Seek Ground
Just got pulled over for speeding - http://brightkite.com/objects...
I wonder if tweets are admissable in court.
- Seek Ground
Yeah it could be called tweevidence.
- Devin Anderson
Luckily i got off with just a warning
- Devin Anderson
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