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How Kevin is spending his birthday!

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Sitting on the deck, looking out on the water, eating homemade chili and cornbread, listening to the band playing on the dock across the water and happily killing time till the fireworks! - Rachel Lea Fox via iPhone

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And friendfeeding! - Kevin Fox via iPhone

Sings: "a little bit louder now, a little bit louder now ... Don't forget to say you will heeeeyy heeeyy..." - Rachel Lea Fox via iPhone

What's that on his chest, all I know it can not be an Audrey <http://www.digibarn.com/collect...> (no knobs). - ianf ⌘

Kindle! - Kevin Fox via iPhone

Coincidentally, my Kindle was heavily used today as well. - Seek Ground via iPhone

So serene. Happy 4th to you both!! - Mona Nomura via iPhone

Happy birthday (again) and happy 4th! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Happy 4th Birthday, Kevin. Wait, I think I combined that wrong ;) - Micah Wittman

Happy Birthday! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

can kindle do friendfeed? - Mike Chelen

@mike kindle 2 and DX can, not sure about how nice it would be because the screen refresh rate is way slow - /Users/mjc

Seek Ground

Suicide of the West - http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...

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We have gone mad - Seek Ground

Louis Gray

Helen Thomas calls Obama administration out on social media smokescreen - http://www.inquisitr.com/28013...

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Helen Thomas is getting so OLD! I don't like the way that was conducted, and it was taken out of context. There are definitely questions that should be answered, but I'm not sure this is as big a deal as is being presented. - Sheryl

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So much for openness and transparency - Seek Ground via email

Sheryl: BS. The previous administration was excoriated for supposedly letting in only Bush supporters. This administration is taking it to a whole new level, not only are they controlling who the audience is, they are controlling the questions they ask! Obama knows the questions and is scripted when he gives the response. He's not answering legitimate questions from real news people. If that's not a big deal to you, then I suggest you might as well move to Iran. - Dawn

The really sick thing about this is how unnecessary it is!! The reason Bush used town halls was because the press was so hostile to him. The press, outside of Fox news, has been slobbering all over themselves, giving Obama great, positive coverage. So for them to be so hyper-controlling - more so than anything other administration ever - makes you wonder what they heck they are so afraid of. - Dawn

Coming from the other side, as an Obama supporter, I have to agree that the Obama administration's policy of requesting questions in advance and giving him a list of reporters approved to call on is concerning. It has bothered me for awhile. Even if a bigger deal is being made of it than should be, as Sheryl said, it does give the appearance of attempting to control the media. - Trish R

Helen Thomas is right. If a town hall script has to be composed in advance--due away with the theater of pretending it's a meeting. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

And it's not just dealing with the press. Remember the outrage about the Bush administration "cooking the books" in favor of going to war by playing on fear and false facts? The current administration rammed through the largest tax increase in the history of our country via the "cap and trade" bill. And they did it by using global warming as the threat, while Obama's own EPA purposely... more... - Dawn

Dawn: I think you misunderstand what I said. I don't think transparency is unimportant. I do think the conversation never got off the ground properly and I found the whole video a little ridiculous. It was far too disjointed and all it did was point to the lack of transparency. But neither side was very well spoken or really in these circumstances got an opportunity to speak in a way... more... - Sheryl

Louis Gray

Facebook Says It Wants You to Be Less Private - But Why? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...

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dun see how I can be less private on fb - Prolific Programmer via IM

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Now fb has "friends of friends" options too? Why do they keep stealing from Ff? I want facebook to be private and the other stuff to be public. That's why I have separate accounts. People who want to see my public face, follow me on ff. - Matthew DeVries

"Furthermore, in our testing so far - the new privacy controls are actually quite a challenge to control. Changed defaults don't stick and we shared several messages further than we intended to." In my opinion this destroys user trust. More importantly, I am concerned about the less technological savvy among my friends and family who already think they are sharing in private but aren't. People behave differently in public vs private but thay should at least KNOW which venue they inhabit. - Seek Ground via email

see, this is what I'm worried about. people that want privacy aren't going to have it and they'll stop using the service. - Bill Kinney

Omar Gallaga

Barely cracked open the laptop over the weekend - such is smartphone life. http://www.austin360.com/blogs...

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I think the day is here. @omarg - Seek Ground via email

Robert Quigley

Travis County reports its first swine flu death. http://www.statesman.com/blogs...

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This is sad. I just found out about the first person that I know who has caught the swine flu. Fortunately for me they live elsewhere so I'm not at risk. Still I must wonder, how long until more people in my circle of family and friends are - Seek Ground via email

Louis Gray

You have to have a life to life stream - http://techwag.com/index...

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I love it. He makes a really good point. - Martin Bryant

One person's 'interesting' is another person's 'boring.' Sort of similar to trash and treasure. - Seek Ground via email

Louis Gray

Poll: How Did You Find Out that Michael Jackson Died? http://socialtoo.com/survey...

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twitter - Luca Filigheddu

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FF - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Friendfeed, duh. - Daniel J. Pritchett

FF - shandiz

I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds. - Louis Gray

twitter...only because I wasn't at my computer and had my twitter app open on my cell phone. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

FriendFeed - Valeria Maltoni

friendfeed - Alex Scoble

From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel. - Fred Yankowski

CNN from my dad's Behold - Mohomed Abdullahi

Twitter - Roberto Bonini

email alert from a local news station on my phone. - Steve Lowe

FF - DAL

FF and then was listening to the news in the car when I heard to it was officially confirmed. - LLL

I was on a conference call yesterday with the team about to flip the switch and release the project that I've been working on for the last few months to an internal beta and someone blurts out "Michael Jackson is Dead!". I'm not sure how they found out... - Lindsay is :)

Twitter - Graham Bunting

FF - imabonehead

FF - Panayotis Vryonis

Via twitter - Jacque Matalon via fftogo

Twitter. More specifically, this tweet -> http://twitter.com/kaitfol... - Hiro Asari

Call me old fashioned: I heard it on the radio! - Pablo Melchor

twitter, @breakingnews - George Tziralis

Twitter - Rich

twitter, friend posted it, not sure where he learned it from. I confirmed with Google News search, LA Times - xero

Mona's post, which I saw on fftogo as I was leaving work. - Penguin ♉

radio! :) yes it still exists - Mario

Don't remember if it was Twitter or FF first, but it was probably a tweet either way. - Grey Drane

Good 'ol FriendFeed :) - Janice Banser

The nice thing about breaking news on FF is that the number of posts required for everyone to get their OMGz out are decreased by an order of magnitude. On Twitter there's 5 tweets per person about MJ, on Friendfeed there's one post for every few people and then those pile up the comments. - Daniel J. Pritchett via IM

FriendFeed! - Jannifer Stoddard

twitter - andy brudtkuhl

Twitter - Brett Kelly

Taken to hospital news on Twitter when only TMZ was reporting then followed newswires until death - Karen Swim

Radio on the drive home (who read it off TMZ) - Stuart Miniman

I hate to be a spoilsport but I've read Michael Jackson's death in my TwitterGadget. lols - jan geronimo

Coworker saw it on TMZ. - Jandy

Saw the first unverified rumors on Tumblr. Switched to twitter for more info and found a raging torrent of unsubstantiated tweets, most w/out links, announcing his death + a few linking to sources reporting the cardiac arrest and hospitalization. Glanced at FriendFeed and saw less rumor and more links to reports of what was so far known. Turned to Google News and found LA Times live blogging verified news. Kept hitting refresh until they updated with confirmation that Michael Jackson was dead. - Ben Greenberg

WHAT??? MJ's DEAD??? Just kidding, yeah Twitter. - Tac Anderson

Twitter - Kenton

twitter. - Evan Travers

NBC evening news - my next stop was FF - Scott of Two Countries

Twitter - Susan Beebe via BuddyFeed

Friendfeed - Martha

my mother send me an sms this morning. - Patrik Johansson

Twitter but via FF - Mike Bracco

@Mike - I think that counts as FF then, unless the tweet you saw had 0 likes and 0 comments. Don't discount the value of community filters! - Daniel J. Pritchett

Friendfeed but then I spent a couple of hours trying to establish whether it was true or not. - WorldofHiglet

Friendfeed. Specifically, subscription to http://friendfeed.com/breakin... - Micah Wittman

A rare occurrence, my boss was on Twitter and noticed the tweets and mentioned it. So much for me being on top of real time media. I was working! :p - Josh Haley

FF - M F

FF - Jim:Rockin the Helvetica

CNN, seriously. - J. Abdul-Qahhar

Please do respond on the SocialToo Survey as well if you can get the chance. - Louis Gray

FF - Ian May

Twitter - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

My kid. A friend told her, maybe txt. - Jason Nunnelley

Breaking News Online on Friend Feed - RAPatton

my brother told me and I read it on friendfeed at just about the same moment - chrisofspades

AM Talk Radio/News - Aden

Friendfeed - Alex Scrivener

My gf read it on the news and told me. - Will Higgins™

FF - Bogdan Costea

FF - W. Brant Kesseler

Twitter - Mohamed J

Twitter - Ian D

Smoke signal - Steve

Twitter - Jeremy Brooks

Twitter - but waited for it to be confirmed elsewhere - Keith (aka Tsudohnimh)

FriendFeed - Seek Ground via email

Friendfeed told me he was rushed to the hospital. I then was out and about monitoring m.nytimes.com on my G1, where I got the final news. - Matthew DeVries

co worker said it. - Chieze Okoye

FF - Tech Introvert

FF - martha

Would have been ff, but traveling and in location with limited connectivity, so CNN. - Steve

I overheard someone who was on the phone and got told that Michael Jackson had died - Jorge Barba

friendfeed - zsafwan 

Survey as no option for Facebook. I learned it from someone's status update. - David Spencer

Friendfeed. :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

checking in on friendfeed before going to bed last night - i'm on vacation and haven't seen a tv - also haven't been online too much either - Chris Heath

twitter - Mary DeSive

twitter - Bill Sanders

twitter...it wasn't even a search, just everyone i followed was talking about it - Anthony Farrior

Twitter. Then, FF. then switching between the two. - Araceli via Nambu

Friendfeed - Alejandro

friendfeed(tweets included) - Dobromir Hadzhiev

friendfeed - Ethan

Twitter. - Cecily

Twitter piped through friendfeed. - mikepk

FriendFeed. - Chris Charabaruk '_'

twitter - Kiran Patchigolla

My wife got a text from an SMS service provided by People Magazine. When I asked who sent it to her, she was almost too embarrassed to tell me. - Chip Ramsey

Good one Chip :D - Daniel J. Pritchett via IM

Yahoo News when I was checking my email. - Dawn

Friendfeed - Brome

While in a meeting, I received a frantic call from co-worker who saw it on TMZ.com - felicious

I saw on igoogle that he had a heart attack, but it wasn't until later talking to my Mother I learned he had died. - Grant Bierman

Rumor on FF, confirmed by the DJ at a roller rink. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

twitter - Corbett Barr

FriendFeed - Karnatos

Tina: That's fantastic. Were you by chance playing paddle tag or shooting the duck at the time? - Chip Ramsey

Nope: I was trying to not fall on my arse at a roller derby practice. The last time I skated MJ was in his heyday, so it was weirdly symmetrical. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

A quick hack to script http://wittman.org/project... and so far the stats here are: (Of 101): Friendfeed:39 | Twitter:27 | (?):35 - Micah Wittman

A tweet from Breaking News Online. - Derrick

Here are the ambiguous per the script: (?): I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds. - Louis Gray (?): From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel. - Fred Yankowski (?): CNN from my dad's Behold - Mohomed Abdullahi (?): email alert from a local news station on my phone. - Steve Lowe (?): I was on a conference call... more... - Micah Wittman

New York Times online - Aaman Lamba

I noticed it on Twitter first - Qwerty via Alert Thingy

Friendfeed. - Joey Gibson

Twitter - Kevin Pedraja

FriendFeed. - Christopher Harley

Mainstream Media Online - Carlo Nasuti

FF - Davis Freeberg

Offline. I KNOW!!! Crazy. - Kandeezie

FriendFeed. - Parth Awasthi

DrudgeReport. Heard about him being rushed to the hospital via MSNBC news alert popup. Was working and wasn't checking twitter/ff at the time. - Tad, Anti-Immanentizer via fftogo

Wife txt me about the sad news - Brady

A spam comment on my blog - Richard Reeve

Twitter. But I saw the tweets running through my FriendFeed Home stream. - Chris Baskind

Is it bad that I don't remember? Let me get back to you...Facebook, perhaps? I think it was before I was gonna go do some missions and quests and try to get Pyros. My brother sent me an SMS before that, but I didn't see it until after I knew. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

FF - YoYo_P

Mother told me. - Burcu Dogan

twitter - Ekin Arabacioglu

from a friend sms - E.Koray Koçak

Twitter - on June 25th - Twitter's trending topics told me that 3 celebrities died. They were 2 out of 3. I think Jeff Goldblum is still living.... - Mike Nencetti

FF! duh. - Frankie Warren

Hah... I saw it on Twitter... sure didn't hear it from CNN. :) - Sean

Radio, in the car. - Patricia

My wife told me after hearing about it in TV. - Glenn Trtanj

Twitter - Hutch Carpenter

twitter & friendfeed. - Oguz Serdar

Wait... He's dead? - MVB

PBS - Lisa Hopkins

Twitter - Tyson Key

pillar of fire on the horizon. - Dead Silence

Twitter - Charlotte {charley} M

FriendFeed...probably via Twitter - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Twitter - Bora Zivkovic

FriendFeed, through @Mona - Mark Aitken

friendfeed - Alfredo

ff - Amber Spence

Friends at CNN. - Mona Nomura

Friendfeed - Victor Ganata

Michael Jackson is Dead?!! First I've heard of this! ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

I got the initial notice that he was rushed to the hospital via Cnnbrk that I have sent to my phone, so I guess Twitter (though official word came for me via CNN itself) - BCK

Facebook, from Mona - Mike Nayyar

twitter, but immediately went to latimes.com to check - kelly

facebook - Alessandro

Veronica on FF - Stephen Mack

FF, plus checking all possible possibles sources. - diego morelli

I felt a disturbance in the force - Geoff Schultz

My friend Missy predicted 10 hours earlier, I found out while making frenchtoast and watching the News, they said Coma, I said bs - Tsali

I was actually on the Internets at the time but I saw nothing mentioned. I got a call from my Mom who heard about it on CNN. Within a few minutes of that, it started popping up here and on Twitter. - angrykeyboarder™ (Scott)

I woke up from a nap to it being on the news. In my groggy state, I saw his picture, and was trying to make sense of it. Finally it clicked, and then it was sort of like, "Huh?! He was only 40 something. That doesn't make any sense. " (He was actually 50) . - Nimabeckie

My oldest son called me and let me know.. - aerobroken

Twitter. - Bonnie

Twitter - Aaron

Twitter... - Mark Harai

TV News - in Australia regular broadcasting stopped on two channels as they covered the event in LA for most of the day - another station played MJ all night til dawn. Of course once I was online, I could see that even twitter was mourning. - Chris Loft

A friend IMed me. - Lu Liu

Facebook, then Twitter a few seconds later. - Chris Luckhardt

FF. - Alix Whitmire ☂

XM radio, on the way to my new place. - David Cook via fftogo

Friend listening to car radio. He was pulling his car into the garage. Got out of the car and said MJ and Farrah just died. - David Damore

Fox news - Russ Jackson

Was delivering coffee to an espresso stand, the barista told me that she heard about 30 min before, she had 4 friends txt it to her. - Christian Burns

Alix texted it to me. - Shawn Whitmire

Local news report on TV - Molly

Sky News. Since I was away from the PC at the time. - Nicholas James

Ya'll. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Seesmic Desktop --> Facebook --> from Mona :) I later left to run an errand and listened to "Beat It" playing on the car radio during a tribute. I felt it was very fitting I found out the news from a combination of social media but actually sort of accepted it as true by hearing it on the radio - as opposed to something like YouTube. It just goes to show how long he's been around and how much has changed since The Jackson 5 days. The word revolutionary comes to mind. - TheMacMommy

FF - M♥hammad

(Of 169): friendfeed:56 | twitter:45 | (?):69 - Micah Wittman

Twitter, just cuz that was the tab I had visible. Wait...when did I find out he was in the hospital, or when did I find out he was actually dead? Two diff questions. - Rahsheen ™

Associated Press's iPhone app pushed breaking news to my phone. So "other". - Robert Haas

FriendFeed (there were 57 votes for FriendFeed when I voted) - Miss Elle

Text. (I was outside and away from a computer. Subsequently informed everyone at the call center with which I do business, since I'm pretty sure they don't have Internet access there.) - Sue Radd

Twitter first thing in the morning - Shaun Trennery

Google News - Nikhil Dandekar

Duh..Twitter - Saad Kamal

on friendfeed... - K.D.

Email from a friend in the US so I saw it morning my time in Europe - Krishna De

Friendfeed, but had to go to LA Times and CNN to believe it. - TobiasVerhoog.com

Do you mean "how did you find out that he'd died?" or "how did you find out that some people were saying he'd died?". The answer to the first is "on the BBC". The second is "FriendFeed" - although what I saw on FF was a feed through of Twitter. - Ian Betteridge

Heard that MJ fell ill on Japanese TV. Saw that he died on FriendFeed. Checked CNN et al, and eventually they confirmed it. - Rick Cogley

Email from a friend - Diego Barros

Twitter, when MJ's death was a rumour or unconfirmed - Thierry R. Andriamirado

CELEB text alert from 4info - Tim Connors

office chatter - Thom Kennon

The people behind me at the Red Sox game were talking about it. - Leslie Carbone

Twitter retweet of TMZ article - Manuel Mas

What is this TMZ that you speak of. ;-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

Via Facebook. I was surprised I learned about it there... - Samuel Driessen

The News. I walked into my Boss's office and he had it on TV. I'd been in meetings all day at that point and hadn't had access to any of my connected devices. - Jason Toney

When my wife told me. Same way I found out he had gone to hospital. I continued to not care. - Eoghann Irving

Facebook. Tim Cuprisin posted the TMZ scoop: http://bit.ly/MppYm - Mark Czerniec

friendfeed.... - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Plurk. Funny thing was that on FF I saw a slew of MJ posts paying tribute, but didn't understand why everyone on FF was so MJ crazy. A friend on Plurk directly commented that he and Farrah had died. - Criz

I found out Michael Jackson had been hospitalized on Twitter. then rumors started that me may be / might not be dead, so I tried searching the web for confirmation and found nothing. Soon, there were links on Twitter to the CBS UStream broadcast which confirmed his death for me. - jbrotherlove

I told about it in this post: http://friendfeed.com/kmeelah... - Kamilah Gill

Twitter. - Curt Mercadante

Local news of his cardia arrest. Twitter of his death. And all within minutes of it hitting the air. - Graham English

f2f - j1m

my son verbally told me about mj's death after he found out on twitter - mike "glemak" dunn

Twitter - Svartling

gmail status message of a coworker - ta√i

facebook - हoward shippin

FF first. Confirmed through multiple traditional sources. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

facebook...i saw "RIP Jacko" - constance taft

can i change my vote?... - Thom Kennon

Jason Calacanis on Twitter. - timedalkat

I'm currently in the hospital and i suddenly woke up in the middle of the night at 3:30 AM and couldn't fall a sleep again, so i turned on my cell phone and in the magic of that quite hospital night i found out from Facebook's statuses of my friends that he's dead. It was a very sad and strange feeling. - Tibor Holoda

Got a txt msg just after 2p (MJ Cardiac Arrest 911) - Turned to my friend and said what the msg said and "He is goinna die" due to Ed McMahon dying earlier this week and that whole 'dying in 3s" thing. I didn't know about Farrah Fawcett until around 5pm. I was away from my computer al day and don't have a 'smartphone.' - RAD Moose

Saw it in a Swedish tabloid (?) in a Coöp Nara (grocery) in Stockholm. It was in Swedish, but Michael Jackson 1958-2009 was clear enough. - Ruchira S. Datta

twitter - Jeffrey Marsh

From a sports radio show - Yiorgos Adamopoulos

overheard at Whole Foods. Mistrusted, unable to hear on radio (at 6:30 EST); confirmed at 7:10 via the New York Times who had just reported it. - Stephanie_JOMCParkLib

MJ died? - Keith (aka Tsudohnimh)

haha - haven't you heard! - Mark Harai via email

Twitter/FriendFeed. Way before the media. - Amit Morson

Facebook - Bob Blunk

friendfeed - John Black

twitter - Chad

Facebook - Scott Gould

Facebook - Sai

A tweet from Mona on FriendFeed. - Kol Tregaskes

my friendfeed friends told me - Mike Chelen

Michael who? - Nick B.

Paul Buchheit

If he were happy, balanced, and well-adjusted, would he still be a super-star? Perhaps it was the same demon driving both sides.

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You're right, I probably wouldn't be. - Jim Norris

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Are you talking about Jim Morrison? Jimi Hendrix? John Belushi? Vincent Van Gogh? - Gabe

Yes Gabe. - Paul Buchheit

Doubtful. History gives many that were great but also outside the norm of their time. - Seek Ground via email

Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Chet Baker, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin... - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

A hand surgeon once told me there is a fine line between genius and insanity, but maybe there is no line after all. - Victor Ganata

Per _The Creative Brain_, there does seem to be some correlation between creativity and bipolar disorder. But, contrary to what some might think, depressive periods do *not* tend to be creative--creativity and positive mood go together. - Ruchira S. Datta

I don't think bipolar is the only factor. There are other things that can make people unbalanced. - Paul Buchheit

On the other hand, I was just at the Van Gogh museum yesterday and I liked some of the work he did after the onset of his mental illness the best. - Ruchira S. Datta

Paul, yes, definitely. - Ruchira S. Datta

Who do you mean? Bernie Madoff, Mark Sanford, or Mahmoud Ahmedinijad? - Peter Norvig

+1 peternorvig - Ginger Makela Riker

This is something I've wondered too Paul. It's the extremes that propel. - Hutch Carpenter

I got the distinct impression this was in reference to Michael Jackson - Angus Burton

So some say in order to become happy, well balanced and adjusted, he was on so many meds that his heart just gave out. - Rafat Alvi

Brendan Loy

Tornado warning! http://forecast.weather.gov/showsig... Sirens blaring! Don't think we're in any actual danger, but sheltering in basement just in case.

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Stay safe! - Seek Ground via email

Omar Gallaga

The day online news took over - http://www.austin360.com/blogs...

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One day perhaps, but not the first and not for everyone. - Seek Ground via email

Robert Quigley

It's already the fifth-warmest June in Austin since 1854, with little relief in sight: http://www.statesman.com/blogs...

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How did people survive before air conditioning? - Seek Ground via email

Louis Gray

Would you give up your spouse, car, Internet, iPhone or DVD player in order to keep your TiVo? Survey says...

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BTW - I didn't REALLY say I would give up my spouse for TiVo. I just wanted it for the screen cap. - Louis Gray

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Dvd player - Shevonne via fftogo

I would only give up my DVD player for TiVo. - felix

Guy walks into a Best Buy and says, "I'd like a TiVo for my wife." "Sorry, sir, no trades." - Stephen Mack

I could live without DVD, now if I only had a HD TiVo, that would really up the ante - Rick Bucich

I've never owned a TiVo - Jesse Stay

Hey Jesse... think of it this way. TiVo is FriendFeed for your TV. :) - Louis Gray

Louis, I have Windows Media Center to do that, and I can do much more :-P Not to mention my Netflix subscription and Hulu access - Jesse Stay

All for free... - Jesse Stay

Free? Jesse, how did you get yourself free WMC software and hardware? - Stephen Mack

Stephen, I mean I don't pay any monthly fee. TiVo costs money up front too. And Windows 7 is free right now. - Jesse Stay

You can easily get all of our models with Product Lifetime to avoid monthly fees, and the end result will be cheaper, quieter and more reliable than any WMC set-up. (Sure, I'm biased.) - Stephen Mack

Stephen, I've had my PC for 3 years now, and anything that needs to be fixed, upgraded or replaced I only have to replace the part. Add into that I would have the computer anyway for my kids and family (it is the family computer), there is really 0 cost for the WMC components. :-) (and no bias here, sorry - I'm actually a Mac user) - Jesse Stay

I find Tivo extremely expendable. Mostly because I prefer to get all of my television on the computer through various sources. - Geoff Schultz

Jesse, so when someone in your family wants to check e-mail, you have to stop watching Macgyver? Geoff, are you sitting on a couch to do that watching, or in your office on an office chair? Everyone has their own preferences, but neither of those scenarios are what I would choose. - Stephen Mack

In many ways the debate between a dedicated DVR like TiVo vs. a PC or Mac is like the debate between dedicated game machines (like a Wii or an Xbox) vs. a PC or Mac. Yes, PCs and Macs can run some games very well. But if all you want is a dedicated game machine for running games, it's often convenient and easier to get hardware just for that purpose. Here's my FriendFeed promise: Try... more... - Stephen Mack

Stephen, you need to learn your competition. WMC is a service - it runs in the background. No normal usage of the PC affects any of the WMC components. My PC runs in my basement office, and streams all content up to my Xbox - in fact, it can run it up to multiple extenders throughout the house, all on one device, no monthly fees, and I can continue to use the PC as a PC with no... more... - Jesse Stay

That said, the advantage TiVo does have (which isn't worth it to me, IMO) is that it's a device you can plug and play, no additional set up or network connection necessary. Microsoft is failing in educating its users on this particular use-case. It's actually not hard on WMC - people just don't know about it. - Jesse Stay

Ah, Jesse, I presumed you were using your PC with WMC in your living room and not an extender. Bad assumption on my part. But I meet so few people who know about extender features and have configured it properly. I think you're right that Microsoft needs to educate more, but I'm not complaining that they don't. - Stephen Mack

Jesse... you're comparing apples and oranges. TiVo is the gold standard and has defined what the world expects from a DVR. Nothing else comes close. What you're trying to compare is like saying that you can make a white box PC at Frys and that it's better than a Dell or a Mac. Walk away. - Louis Gray

:), I need to get myself a TIVO (or UK equalivent) in my room before I can decide on this, plus I guess a spouse to make it all technically fair :P - Josh Chandler

Louis, what you're implying is that what I'm doing is a hack - this is software that comes pre-installed with all new versions of Windows 7. It's an education and UI issue on Microsoft's part. All anyone needs to buy is a Windows Media Center extender (which would be the equivalent to the TiVo), plug it in, and it pretty much works out of the box if you have a Windows 7 machine (Dell, HP, etc) anywhere on the network. - Jesse Stay

Ha, Jesse you obviously share the "Microsoft Vision" which never truly emerged :P - Josh Chandler

And in my case I already have an Xbox 360 so that Media Center Extender is already built-in. - Jesse Stay

yeah, that is the ONLY commercially available Media Center Extender around now right? - Josh Chandler

I don't know, I mean maybe WHS (Windows Home Server) or a cheap Media Center PC may make the difference, but until something great comes from a PC Manufacturer, I am certainly not going to follow the "Microsoft vision" - Josh Chandler

Josh it's the only thing Microsoft is good for. The only reason I still have a PC to tell you the truth - otherwise I'd just own a Mac. In one box (my Xbox 360), I get the DVR capabilities, Apple TV Capabilities, a DVD player, and much, much more. I have no need for a TiVo because of it, and in this case I think it's reason to call it competition for them. - Jesse Stay

Josh, actually Microsoft is shipping a lot more commercial Media Extenders now, especially since Vista and now Windows 7. They're really starting to push that market. - Jesse Stay

Well.... I think that is WAYYY too late to the game, considering how long Apple has been pushing this idea, with the Mac Mini, Apple TV (judge the success as you will) - Josh Chandler

Josh regarding stability I haven't had a major crash in about a year on my Vista machine. It's all about finding a computer fast enough to handle it - no different than a Mac. On Macs they just come pre-bundled with the hardware needed for the OS. - Jesse Stay

Josh, Microsoft is *years* ahead of Apple in that game right now. I've owned an AppleTV before and was left much wanting. - Jesse Stay

sure, I mean I have two Windows machines, both running Vista, great workhorses, help with everything and do a great job. The point I just see you making now about Microsoft being "years" ahead of Apple is soo not true now, I mean sure Microsoft had the technology ready before Apple, but which company emerged the stronger media provider? - Josh Chandler

Jesse, sounds like you're opening a new thread re: the Apple TV. Ours does great. It's iTunes for the TV and it does exactly that. Could it be stronger? Sure. But if you let iTunes be your media filter, which I do, there's no alternative. AppleTV and TiVo keep our living room Microsoft free. We don't to give the twins Redmond Radiation. - Louis Gray

ha, well I can say that my Apple TV serves similar functions, mainly uses for watching movies, podcasts. I have another room with my Microsoft stuff, two PC's one with Media Centre connected to seperate monitor, but only used as TV tuner! - Josh Chandler

Louis and Josh name one thing the AppleTV does that my combined Xbox 360 and WMC machine can't do. I can name at least 10 features that mine can do that your AppleTV can't do. - Jesse Stay

Let's try, um. Better content selection, much more plug and play with my iTunes, for instance I can buy a movie on my Apple TV and have it sync to my iTunes, and then immediately to either my iPhone or iPod. I mean, that is what Microsoft have been waiting for isn't it, to have a media player such as the *ahem* Zune which can provide a similar featureset! - Josh Chandler

There is no easy to use software for the Zune, I mean, do you want to make the point that ZuneHD looks like it might improve Microsoft's chances in the digital music market, cause believe me I ain't buying the crap Microsoft feed me about the ZunePass being cheaper then iTunes!! - Josh Chandler

Josh, why buy the movie when you can just stream it for cheaper? I can integrate my iPod with my Xbox as easily as a Zune. Why do I have to use a Zune? - Jesse Stay

it all starts at the lower end (in the store) and then builds out, I think that Apple's stronger, more closed ecosystem sustains itself better then Microsoft's ever would!!! - Josh Chandler

Because, if you don't use a Zune, you are not completing the Microsoft Media experience!! - Josh Chandler

Josh, how is that? My iPhone works great with the Microsoft experience. You're now just sounding like an Apple fanboy. I don't think Microsoft ever said you had to use a Zune with the experience. - Jesse Stay

besides, why do you think Microsoft is conceding to letting the iPod work on the XBOX, because if Apple were in a similar situation, they would never let the Zune work with iTunes (for example) - Josh Chandler

:), I am not an Apple fanboy, I am being moe realistic to the state of the market, people have voted that everything in their pocket has to have a Apple Logo on it, it sounds as though you the Microsoft fanboy cannot handle the inevitability!!! - Josh Chandler

Josh, and that's one deficiency of the AppleTV - lack of flexibility - Jesse Stay

how so? - Josh Chandler

and you know, I was waiting for loads more issues with the Apple TV, where are they??? - Josh Chandler

Josh I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro, and just reserved another iPhone for my wife. How am I a Microsoft FanBoy? I've owned both an AppleTV *and* an Xbox 360. I like features of each. - Jesse Stay

well, from my end it just seems like you are being very defensive of Microsoft, and critical of Apple. - Josh Chandler

And, I wonder if perhaps you are trying to hide your fanboy tendenices by buying ALL the products from the opposing competitor to balance it all out! :D - Josh Chandler

Josh, I think you'll find that my defense has been very constructive. I'm very willing to point out Apple's flaws where they occur. I am also willing to point out Microsoft's flaws where they lie as well. Microsoft has many more flaws than Apple right now. - Jesse Stay

such as? - Josh Chandler

such as what? Microsoft's flaws? Or Microsoft's strengths? - Jesse Stay

Microsoft's Flaws! - Josh Chandler

now, others who are currently viewing this thread, I am sorry if this battle between me and Jesse has detracted in any way, we should be finished shortly. Thanks :) - Josh Chandler

Josh, their OS doesn't fit my needs for one. I need the equivalent to Spaces. I need a bash shell as a *nix developer. Windows 7 blue screens for me all the time. I hate their anti-OSS mentality. I hate the UI of Windows, although it's heading in the right direction. I hate that Windows takes up 40 GB of my hard drive. I hate that they still have yet to perfect 64 bit architecture. I hate that they are trying to rope developers into their own platform and environment. I hate the cost of Windows. - Jesse Stay

I like the beer/chocolate right after spouse, like, yeah now that THAT's gone... bring on the binging! - anna

and, that folks is all I wanted to hear, a little negativity from Jesse :) Now, I am happy to believe him when he says there are flaws in both Apple and Microsoft! - Josh Chandler

Anna, I do like Bing, but it's no Google - Jesse Stay

Josh, it's the exact reason I own both Microsoft and Apple products. It's also the same reason I run Linux for my server environment. - Jesse Stay

I choose the best tool for the job - Jesse Stay

:) - Josh Chandler

and, in that respects it's lucky you aren't trapped into one system,right? - Josh Chandler

Stephen, I have my PC hooked up to a flat panel TV as a secondary display. So as far as a different "experience" there isn't one for me. I have DirecTV(which is not TiVo but a fairly comparable product) hooked up to the same television but it just sort of sits there as noise when I am doing other things and when it comes time to watch I change input. The interesting thing is that I could easily dvr the programming and, well, just don't for what ever reason. - Geoff Schultz

I don't have TiVo. - Morton Fox

No - Seek Ground via email

drew olanoff

when you go landscape on your iPhone/Touch which way do you go? Left or Right.

June 23 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Interesting question. - Geoff Schultz

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I go left. - Curtis Jackson

I go left too! - Sheryl

Left. - Louis Gray

Counter-clockwise. - Logical Extremes

left - Jesse Stay

Left - Brett Kelly

Left - Roberto Bonini

counter-clockwise. I'm always vaguely surprised that it even works the other way, though I can't say why. - Kevin Fox

Counter-clockwise. Right handed. - David Damore

Counter-clockwise. Left Handed. - Marty

Righthanded so I go counter-clockwise to have the home button at my most comfortable thumb... - Rasmus Lauridsen

Since Fieldrunners took over my life, and it only goes left, I go left, too. - Ha3rvey

Counter-clockwise. Right handed. - Tony Ruscoe

counter-clockwise (lots of apps require it anyway) - Jason Wehmhoener

Left. - Daniel J. Pritchett

@Jason - they require you to go counter-clockwise? that sounds kinda stupid to require. - John Wang

I thought I was the only one who ever wondered about this http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... .... Right. - Micah Wittman

It happens a lot on games that only work in landscape. The splash screen will start with a counter-clockwise rotation. - Jason Wehmhoener

Right? Um... I turn it so the home button is on the right side :) - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

@Jason - oh, ok. That makes more sense. I thought it was just regular apple apps like Mail or something. - John Wang

Left - Josh Haley

Left - Seek Ground

Counter-clockwise to type, clockwise to use the camera because the button's on top that way. (I don't have an iPhone, just an LG touch screen phone.) - Penguin ♉

Left. - ronin

Right - Brian Bufalo

Depends... I usually go left for typing and right for games (that way, the speaker doesn't get covered up. - Johnny Worthington

Seek Ground

How Has the Presidency Changed Most in the Last 30 Years? - http://hnn.us/article...

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"Under our Constitution, the federal executive branch has no inherent authority to issue general rules on the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the drugs we take, the cars we drive, the conditions under which we work and play, our susceptibility to discrimination in schools, in public accommodations, and in the workplace, our entitlements to health care, disability insurance, and income security in our old age – or on any of the other aspects of our individual or collective welfare that are currently subject to administrative regulation." - Seek Ground

Bret Taylor

FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.

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:( - Paul Buchheit

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:( :( - Rachel Lea Fox

:-( - Kol Tregaskes

Related to the election? - τorƍue

:( - Ross Miller

that's so bad... - Eren Emre Kanal

:-( - Kevin Fox

τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know - Bret Taylor

این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است - mycaptain

Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking. - Ken Sheppardson

:( - Marina Remi

Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)? - Stephan Osmont

): - Jim Norris

Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran - Bret Taylor

That tells it's own, sad, story. - WorldofHiglet

:((( - Oguz Serdar

Wow. - Rochelle

If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop. - Kevin Fox

I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days. - Ken Sheppardson

Sad. - Jen (SquirrelGirl)

Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button? - Steven Melfi

:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs? - Roberto Bonini

I knew this day was coming. Too bad. - Robert Scoble

Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF - Mike Bracco

How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea? - τorƍue

:( - Helen Sventitsky

do not like :( - Tamara

@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China - Stephan Osmont

Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009... - Kevin A. Burton

like for spread but not like for the situation - Imprenditore

I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose. - Michiel Sikkes

Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey... - Onur Şentüre

that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities ! - Farshad

Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon. - Peter

That's horrible. - Barış Ünver (beyn.org)

Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy? - Daniel Dulitz

:-( - bookmeister

:( Let the voices be heard! - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

So sad... - Luka

Sigh :( - Havang

can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important - Farshad

I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue - Eric @ CS Techcast

Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point. - Bret Taylor

The stigmata of evil. - Tim Tyler

all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones ! - MohammadReza

see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna... - Farshad

Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks. - John Craft

not good in terms of freedom - Sheri Fresonke Harper

حالا شما کاملا احمدی نژاد رو نشناختین. این تازه یه چشمه بود - Rεℤα

this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things - Cee Bee

Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting? - MVB

please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can - فرزاد 3

we need a new way - سِــمیرامیس

@MVB we all are Protests - MohammadReza

That's sad. - EricaJoy

we can buy a new domain can u add it to ff ? - z.o.s The Cylon

:( Dislike. - Ruchira S. Datta

:( - D/\\/IIID

they banned the domain if we use another domain in iran we can access ff :( - z.o.s The Cylon

P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised. - EricaJoy

:(( - ramin

For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news - Farshad

I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply. - Kevin Fox

Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP . - آدمیرال

MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all. - Robert Scoble

Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n... - Kol Tregaskes

No words for that... - Frank

thanks kol :) - Farshad

@Kevin, totally understandable. - EricaJoy via IM

If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed? - Frode Stenstrøm

Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow. - Robert Scoble

Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah - Alan Morris

I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access. - Bret Taylor

Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information. - Robert Scoble

is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real! - Fırat DEMİREL

Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart. - Ken Sheppardson

Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic. - Kevin Fox

Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc) - Chris Heath

Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic? - Robert Scoble

Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day. - Bret Taylor

something is cooking out there... - mehdi

Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :( - Fırat DEMİREL

These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran. - Curt Mercadante

Just pray to not hear more of bad news...tomorrow check death toll and you may know why we are getting less and less ...they are literally filtering us - رستم

Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran. - آدمیرال

Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working. - üstün üzüm

Do *not* like. :( - Pete D

:( - Russ Jackson

:( - /Users/mitch/

http://www.boston.com/bigpict... - فرزاد 3

آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :( - younes

Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship - آدمیرال

I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone? - Martin Bryant

TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Robert Scoble

Thanks for the translation آدمیرال ! - Ross Miller

ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز - younes

خواهش دوست من. - آدمیرال

martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post. - üstün üzüm

On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here? - Canageek

martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!? - آدمیرال

yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting - آدمیرال

Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ? - Stanislas Jourdan

Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-) - Robert Scoble

it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable. - edythe

It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best. - alphaxion

:( - Roberto (postoditacco)

as you may learned that friendfeed feeds really need a "Dislike" button, since "like" is just being used to spread the message otherwise most of our feeds from Iran crisis must be disliked! - رستم

Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules - Roberto (postoditacco)

Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago. - Michael Nielsen

sad - Pedro Beltrao

Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran... - freedom fighter mom

If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here? - EricaJoy

Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed? - Robert Scoble

Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up - Bret Taylor via email

Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post. - Tanath

Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo? - Jon Osterholm

البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر - ΉΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ

by entering www.www.www.facebook.com, Iranians from Iran can enter the website of FB. I was wondering if you guys could do something like that for Iranians to pass the filter. - بی بی

Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran... - Zahra (raoros)

The coversations and comments here are educational. - Seek Ground

@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/ - Jim Norris

:( - imabonehead

Damn. - Steven Perez

http://mojipage.com register in this website and add ff widget! twitter is blocked in iran so I am posting twitts by a script or choqok(http://choqok.gnufolks.org/) - amin.m via MojiPage

Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out. - Eric @ CS Techcast

Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing. - Charlie Anzman

Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside. - anna

Tnx Bret - کـــانـفــرمـیـسـت™

Thnaks :) - Exir

این چی میگه؟ - hozeh

ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow! - ali

چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک! - ali

:(( - AJ Batac

Damn. - Derrick

Expected. - Michael W. May

Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are ‎controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. ‎Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging ‎information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where ‎people need help and where to go and how to help them and... more... - Selma

Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you? - Bret Taylor

Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months. - Selma

its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in - Ӎiri∂m

Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen.... - Zackatoustra

It may not be long before Turkey joins the party. - Sarp Tüzün

It's very sad to see this happen - Michael Fidler

tnx all of you... - emin

Plz do sth we need a media - kaveh

internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily... - Opium

:( - Caroline

I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China. - sofarsoShawn

The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests ‎in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. ‎Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining ‎channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?‎ - emin

i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals - kheyzaran v 0.4 خیزران

Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide. - Zackatoustra

FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election. - پارسـا

so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win... - Tanaydin

and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :(((( - پارسـا

Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD - Brent - Mugwumps R Us

http://i.friendfeed.com/376e729... - hozeh

آخ جون نمودار :دی ferfere is filtering in iran Oops! - Me_I_Ramin

Does http://fftogo.com work still? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck. - Alexandros Georgiadis

google block fftogo for iranian users!!! - amin.m

Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？ - Sakurai.Catshop

What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I don't know about email. now I am using freegate or another site like http://mojipage.com - amin.m

Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed? - Alexandros Georgiadis

Very sad. - Parth Awasthi

The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

:(( - Nimaa via MojiPage

We, Iranian people, are using FF via proxies and under cover of Germany and Canada IPs - Sing for Absolution

No wonder why ! - Pelin

@Alexandros Georgiadis:for frienddeck.com I see this:You are accessing this page from a forbidden country! but dev.ctor.org/f2p worked! thank you :) - amin.m via MojiPage

+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security.. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too - Farhad

I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/ - M F

for me,yahoo messenger is not blocked yet! - amin.m via f2p

Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work. - Paul Kinlan

Thanks :(( - مَـهـد‌‌ی

:( booooooo - Duncan Rawlinson

:o - FKU

DAMN! - ^_^

whoa, NOT good - Susan Beebe

Oh no. :( - Abby Martin

we dont have freedom :( , we cant use VPN , government blocked VPN port , from telecommunication center :( - AMIN BZ

We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times - Marc

Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible - Kamilah Gill

this is terribly wrong - Francisco Costa

A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long. - Goran Zec

WOW CRAZY - Matt Kaufman

I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully. - Steve C

now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully. - Ibrahim Tarlig

Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low? - Kol Tregaskes

Yes, we are still being blocked - Bret Taylor

:-( - Kol Tregaskes

:-( - Arif Siddiquee

definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies - Daniele

Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you. - Roberto Arancibia

:( - Shey

It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm. - Ray Marr

They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken. - tony

بیا بالا ای فید من - Farhad

Digg.com is block in Iran now. - Sahandram

:-( - Paolo Valzania

رکورد لایک ها رو این فید زده . 764 تا . بزن اون زنگ رو :) - چهاردهم ژوئیه

Seek Ground

California expects to find more new flu cases - Reuters - http://news.google.com/news...

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Oh no - Seek Ground

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Entertaining Tip: An Alternative to Name Tags - http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitc...

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What so you do if no one is interested in your subject? - Seek Ground

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The Subterranean Machine Dreams of a Paralyzed Youth in Los Angeles - http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2009...

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I am not sure if this is fiction brought to life or life brought to fiction. - Seek Ground

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Dirty Cash: Man in Black's makeover - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music...

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I do not think he is wrong. - Seek Ground

Seek Ground

How the Other Half Writes: In Defense of Twitter - http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2009...

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Compares twitter to a ball point pen. Very well written defense of twitter being used by the masses. - Seek Ground

Alex Scoble

I think it would be cool if friendfeed asked if you really wanted to repost a link that had already been posted by anyone else...prompt you with something like "Perhaps you weren't aware, but someone already posted a thread with this link, would you like us to bring you to that thread instead so you can comment and or like it?"

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Such a feature would be money, in my opinion. - Alex Scoble

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Definitely! - directeur

Second that. - Tom Landini

3rd that. That would be cool! - AJ Batac

yup - vijay

There is a lot of duplication. Might put http://friendfeedlinks.com/ out of business though. - Logical Extremes

Would be nice. But to discover duplication from among all services here? Gasp! May be tough to execute. - Vijayendra Mohanty

I wanted to say that Digg has had that for years now. - Richard A.

That's a great idea... I believe on blog posts and RSS feeds they info you of cross listings. - Eric

Like a digg dupe detection thing would be good, but would have to be better than theirs, it sucks. - Simon Wicks

definitely - Manuela

Make this happen :) - Erik Gulliksen

I would hate it to be just "somebody else" -- I suspect lots of the same links are posted to different groups but don't cause seeing the same link over and over again -- which I think is what it would be good to prevent. Maybe it could occur based on some algorithm -- posted by someone you subscribe to and potentially seen by some percentage 50? maybe of people that subscribe to you. - Brian Sullivan

Yeah, Brian, I agree, it shouldn't be mandatory and perhaps it is based on people that you are subscribed to or are in your FOAF sphere, but it would still be good to know, allowing a friendfeeder to make an informed choice. - Alex Scoble

Good idea. It shouldn't be too difficult. - Rutger Blom

I like the concept but not for all of FriendFeed. Just tell me about duplicates in my little corner please. - Seek Ground

SG, I would agree. If it's a duplicate in my "Subscription Circle", I don't want to send it out AGAIN. I've seen a number of posts repeat each other. Some by days, some by minutes. - Curtis Jackson

I agree with Seek Ground - Soup

I'd agree that that's a good start, although giving me the option to turn it on to all of friendfeed would be great too. - Alex Scoble

Maybe kshep ' s ffcheck http://beta.friendfeed.com/kshep... bookmarklet could be adapted for a client side hack. - Micah Wittman

But what would be interesting then is to see how many people shared the same link. Good test for popularity of what you are writing for your FF audience. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

then it wouldn't be any fun pointing out that you already posted the item like, months ago to the person. - Josh Haley

So in other words, you want Digg. - Mike Nayyar

Mike, I am now aborting our love child. No, I don't want Digg! Digg sucks. I want friendfeed to have the feature I described above which would not suck and which would increase the awesomeness of friendfeed by 5%! - Alex Scoble

Josh likes the bitch slap approach. - Morgan Haley

Yeah this debate is interesting! It's a kind of respect towards the others FFers, but on the other hand, resharing links also enables to share the items for his own circle of friends who do not automatically see your likes. - Stanislas Jourdan

Meanwhile, there's http://ffcheck.com - Ken Sheppardson

I thought they'd tried a "similar items from..." before, no? Now all that's left is the similar items when someone's feed brings in multiple references to the same item. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

never knew of FFCheck, thats great! - Simon Wicks

Wow FFcheck is great indeed! - Stanislas Jourdan

Now to all of us : do we have to share it or not ;-) ? - Stanislas Jourdan

Stanislas: Why would you? Just comment on/like an existing entry. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

that was my point ;-) But this is so great that I want to share this to my friends who may not come here. Would you mind if I reshare it ? - Stanislas Jourdan

I'd rather if the reshare option credited the original poster. - Ahsan Ali

If they were to do that, wouldn't it cause the number of comments to sky rocket? I don't know if I'd have the stamina to read that many comments all the time. Could I filter the comments to include only my friends/contacts? - Damond Nollan

Damond...good point. Didn't think of that unintended consequence. - Alex Scoble

Good one Alex. I literally just did then deleted it. - Charlie Anzman

But... But... If I can not choose from the 47 different Google Reader posts of the newest iPhone fart app you are limiting my civil right! - MVB via fftogo

I'm fine with that, Mark, because that's a stupid right. - Alex Scoble

Good idea a friendfeed gentleman's code of conduct however what about those of the southern hemisphere? There posts are new to them - sofarsoShawn

I like the option part and the in my little corner of FF part. oh...and the limiting Mark's stupid right part. heheh. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I often reshare a link from Google reader because a heck of a lot more of my friend use Reader than friendfeed. (When asked why not friend feed, their response was --- it's kinda redundant) - Piaw Na

I like this idea - (jeff)isageek

The Feedly extension does this to some extent, too. It pulls in FF convos to items you read in Feedly, and has a little floaty thing on every site that tells you if its been posted on digg or FF before (it's not always right, though). You can one-click search for the item on FF as well from the floaty thing, but it searches all of FF. I usually end up narrowing the search to my subscriptions, because I don't care if I double-post some random person's GReader share with my awesome bookmarklet share. :) - Jandy

Yeah, well it wouldn't mark a native friendfeed post as being the same as what's coming through greader anyhow. It should (RIGHTLY) give friendfeed native posts priority. - Alex Scoble

Love the idea of reducing duplicates... sometimes I don't bother posting stuff thinking some one is bound to have shared it already so no need for more noise. But a prompt would be great. - Sally Church

I don't think it's a good idea. A major reason why FriendFeed is not Reddit is because there are actually multiple clusters of people who associate with each other by choice, rather than one giant one. That's fundamental to the design and is as much the reason why the conversations are good quality as is the so-called 'moderation'. I don't just want to join a conversation about a link - I want to join a conversation with people who *I* think are diverse and intelligent, and I do so by getting my links... - Robin Barooah

...by subscribing to people who have hosted such discussions before. The so called 'trolls' or just people who I don't understand or benefit from, can associate with people they like and not me and so the community automatically segments itself into groupings that people enjoy. - Robin Barooah

dups don't bother me. now with things going so much faster, dup checking would slow things down. peeps just need to get over it being "rude" in some way. - BEX

Now you are just being rude, BEX. ;) - Alex Scoble

*arms crossed* Hmmph - BEX

I would enjoy that Alex. It's very Digg, but useful in keeping the noise down here. - Brandon Mendelson

(Jandy - thanks for the feedly feedback. we will make "search my network only" a preference) - Edwin Khodabakchian

80,000 likes and comments on one post? Don't know if that would add or subtract to the value of the information. Smaller groups of people find each other and coalesce around info they like or wish to comment on. Forcing everyone to meet at the same place might just take away the intimate feel of FriendFeed and turn it into MassFeed. Not sure about this idea. - Patrick Yaeger

I don't know if I would like it or not... I think an option would be good. - Evan Travers

I think we just need a link to the others persons that shared the item (for the reasons given by Patrick and Robin) - Stanislas Jourdan

I think a simple warning to say this post already appears in this or these feeds (with links to those posts so you can comment/like) would be most welcome. FF must be able to do this as the dup detector already does this (the only difference is it does it after posting). Kinda like a Digg duplicate detector. I'd love this! - Kol Tregaskes

I say Do It! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

It worked for Digg. It's a good idea, plus it will prevent anyone from yelling "DUPE!". - Matthew

I'd like it if that link went in my feed too, effectively giving it a bump, but yeah, great idea. - Chris Nixon

I think the solution isn't too let people know that they are reposting links, but to group similar stories together like Google News or TechMeme with one massive conversation at the top. Yesterday, I wanted to find the FF conversation for the crazy pastor who got beaten by the cops. A quick FF search of his name yielded over 500 links between digg, delicious and tweets. Eventually I found the only one with a conversation attached, but it took way to much searching. - Davis Freeberg

Another issue arises when different news networks report on the same story: the content is the same but the sources are completely different ie washingtonpost.com vs CNN - sofarsoShawn

I use either feedly or ffcheck before posting if I see that something has already been posted by someone directly on FF and received comments and likes I don't post it. If I think it is something important and worthwhile I can bump the original entry by adding a comment. Obviously there is a huge amount of duplication with news channel and blogs reporting the same stories but I think there should be inbuilt ways not to see the same things from the same source over and over again. - M F

yes, i do not say much in case it has been done before, and i missed it. - Tatty Gibson

This ruins the troll-supression, anti-spammy nature of FF that Scoble et al were discussing yesterday though, doesn't it? If you don't post the link you lose control of blocks... - Rich

Alex: What's the exact problem here? You want to see _every_ comment by anyone posted about a particular link on FF? Or your want to not see the same link posted multiple times in your own feed? I have a feeling that there's a real, solvable problem, but we're missing it because we're focussing on one proposed solution. Feel like starting a new thread? - Robin Barooah

I've already done a very good job of laying out the problem and the solution. You can feel free to start a new thread for a problem that you have and give your proposed solution. - Alex Scoble

I agree with bex and most certainly don't think that something that worked for digg should become the punchlist for friendfeed - I use search on title to find similar posts and comment there if makes sense - mike "glemak" dunn

Great idea for a new feature, I think it would also be worthwhile if FF told you the date that such a link was last shared, and who it was that shared it. - (Garin Kilpatrick)

This would be an awesome feature - similar to Diggs in a way and it improved Digg alot by its implementation imo - Nicholas James

Alex: I've read all of your comments in this thread and I don't see you state what problem you're solving. You say that you'd like the feature of being able to see if someone else has already posted a link so that you can comment there instead of reposting - and you explore this idea. You say clearly *what* you want, but you don't explain why. And honestly, I have no interest in starting my own thread about this, but I am interested in knowing what you are thinking. - Robin Barooah

Good idea but if I want to post a link that a Scoble had already posted, any discussion I wanted to have with my friends on it would get lost in your discussion. The option should be their but opt in only. - CJPhoto

That's why it would be voluntary on whether you still post or not, but everyone should be notified that they are about to repost. - Alex Scoble

This is a noticeable problem when you use Feedly (and also partially solved by it, as I believe someone here has pointed out). Every news item has several different FriendFeed posts related to it :-( - Jalada

Robert Scoble

The really cool Twitter/friendfeed users were on those services "before they were Scobleized." Were you? Check in here with your story:

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I'm pretty sure I was on Twitter BS (before Scobleized), but not FF. FF is where I heard of Scoble, and followed his lead by making FF my homepage. - shaun mclane

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I made my Friend Feed account way before we met at Gnomedex last year, but it was after meeting you that I started being active. So that is your fault. Twitter however was the first micro-blogging (for lack of a better term) site I was active on. I think Leo is to blame for that one. - MarkCarras

Was on Friendfeed when it was in beta looking for something to show all of the social networks I was at in one place. I think I joined a few days before it became open to the public. Come to think of it I signed up to Friendfeed before I did Twitter. - Michael Ryan

scoble, i think its going to be more "before it was oprah-ised", they've got some hashtag in twitter going now... - Terry O'Fee

I was on Twitter early but heard of FF through you - Mike Brewer

Was on both before I heard of you.. I learned of you through someones tweet. - Drew Paul

Mark: Leo is to blame for getting me to really use Twitter too. - Robert Scoble

i discovered twitter through the madness that is warren ellis. i dont know if you were here before or after. no idea. - Terry O'Fee

I think I got on twitter because of TechCrunch? Not sure but FF was definitely because of the ole Scobleizer. - John Seals

Leo and Kevin Rose were my inspiration to use Twitter. I was a Pownce user before that. - Jesse Stay

When did you start on FF, Robert? I didn't join because of you but I can't remember if you were here when I started or not... I know eventually I "found" you on here and started following. - Lindsay is :)

I believe I got on Friendfeed just a hair before you started getting really popular here. - Mathew™

Scoble: Leo is to blame for a great many things. :D - MarkCarras

Honestly, I think I was skipping most of what you wrote before I was on FF or twitter and was just using Google Reader to follow stories. However, once here on FF where I was able to see the discussions around the stories I have quickly started reading and paying attention more to what you have to say. - John Spyers

Lindsay: I was on friendfeed the last week of February 2008 if I remember right. - Robert Scoble

Duncan Riley bought FF to my attention when he called Loius Gray a nasty name. remember that little shitstorm http://twitter.com/duncanr... - James Beake

Ok, then you were definitely before me... I started sometime last April... I guess it's about my anniversary now! - Lindsay is :)

I was on Twitter and FriendFeed before they were Oprah-ized - Hutch Carpenter

I thought I was on Twitter BS, but turns out according to Twitterholic.com Scoble was on nearly 5 months before me! Guess it's all a blur. Pretty sure I was on Plurk before Scoble....oh, he's not on Plurk. Incidentally, Scoble joined Twitter 11-20-2006. As far as FF, I thought Scoble pretty much put it on the map, singlehandedly. - Paul Salzman

I started in Twitter in March 2007, but how do I find my commencement date here? - Ian May

@Paul: Scoble & Thomas Hawk both. - Sean McGee

Louis Gray got me on friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

I must admit that I need the scobleizer to get me on certain services... - Troy Malone

Pfft: of course Scoble was here before me. But I feel like I've been using both ff and twitter forever at this point. - Susan Reynolds

My first Tweet was in March of 2007 on my Jeber account. Referred by Chris Pirillo, as I recall. - Jack Carlson

I can't remember when I started using FriendFeed. I think it was shortly after Scoble though. - Jesse Stay

I think with the username /and, I might have you beat on FF Robert. Twitter you surely were in before me. - Andrew Leahey

Joined FF before Scoble because I saw it was by some ex-googlers :P Way after Scoble on Twitter though. - Brandon Titus

So Scoble, where are we all going next? - shaun mclane

Chris Pirillo turned me onto both Twitter & FF--Scoble was already here (and there). - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Joined Twitter June-07 and FriendFeed (in beta) Oct-07. Mostly consuming value rather than adding it. - Ryan Miller

I was on Socialmedian, Strands, FriendFeed, Toluu, ReadBurner, RSSmeme, before Scoble. :) - Louis Gray

Scoble got me on to Google Reader. Fighting with Mark Hopkins of Mashable got me on to Twitter. Feedheads got me on to Facebook. - Louis Gray

I registered and used both before becoming communication active with you Robert, but I will confess that because of you I am now 10x times more active on FF that I was prior - Keith Barrett

I got on Twitter because of you, and FF because of you. Other things I do because they are beta and I love beta. Or even alpha. I can put up with a lot of discomfort to see if something's going to be interesting. - Francine Hardaway

No, man, I follow you wherever you go like a dumb little zombie. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

I'm with Francine. We may have a beta addiction that we need a 10 step program for - Susan Reynolds

Shaun: that is the big question, isn't it? Based on how many people are trying to get me to participate, FourSquare is the next thing for early adopter types. - Robert Scoble

I was on FF, but really decided to check it daily and make an effort to contribute after it was Scobelized... - Jamie Ginsberg

What is FourSquare? Got a link? Google turned up nothing useful... - Tad, Anti-Immanentizer

Tad: Third result on google, http://playfoursquare.com/ - Brandon Titus

So does that mean that once Scoble is on a service it's no longer cool? - xero

Ahh - I figured no way did that look interesting. LOL After taking a moment or two looking at it, it does seem like it has possibility, but it looks like no one is fooling with it here in Phoenix. I'll give it a few months and see if it generates more buzz. I'm a technophile, but I'm not an earliEST adopter. - Tad, Anti-Immanentizer

Xero: for some alpha geeks? Yes, that's exactly what it means! :-) - Robert Scoble

I'm not sure if I was on either service before Scoble. I actually seriously doubt I was...but I also doubt the service was any different having been scobleized. I followed Louis Gray here to FF, though. I think I do remember him getting Scoble here. - Rahsheen ™

Well Robert I should have listened harder when you said FriendFeed was the place to be. I signed up but admit I only used FF to monitor a few rooms. Funny you should post this question on the day I had a FriendFeed epiphany and made the decision to go full gorilla. - Jesse Newhart

Jeremiah Owyang's post had me met cool tweeters and more.. I was silently and rarely visit my friendfeed until I knew Mona and learned that she was a prominent friendfeeder.. - Pico Seno

I joined FF in September '07, the week before the first beta launched. I'm not an early adopter, just a mainsteamer with connections! - Anne Bouey

It was in July 2007 that I signed up to Twitter and FF so definitely not before Scoble... although, you were one of the first tweeps I noticed and followed. I wouldn't be without them now. Both Twitter and FF are useful in my business and I'm learning more each day! - Ange Recchia/angesbiz

I was after Scobleizer. I actually joined after I heard Leo Laporte mention it on TWiT. I didn't know what Twitter was at first. I found out about FF after Steve Issacs mentioned it at Twitter. - Molly

I joined both Twitter and Friendfeed yet before i first stepped on your blog ;) And BTW, not meaning to offend you Robert, but before i started reading your Frendfeed i never read anything of your - i thought you were a... Wellm something that Arrington has become now (with all the respect to him) =) Now you are my top priority source of trusted metadata =) - Kirill Bolgarov

Kirill: I'm an aaarrrroogggannntttt bbbaaahhhssstttaaarrrrrddddd. You can say it. :-) - Robert Scoble

Or at least I was until @ev took away my license. :-) - Robert Scoble

no, I didn't join twitter until you drove me over the edge one day with your constant yammering about it when I was jumping up and down trying to get your attention about Julie Amero. It drove me to a rant and a challenge, which I ended up answering by joining twitter. LOL. I did join Friendfeed right away, before it caught fire with you, but it took me the better part of a year to figure out how to use it. - Karoli

there's joining and then there's using... very different thing. Many of us have signed up on many things we don't really use except the occasional "how has it changed?" test, but should it become popular some will go "noobs, i was there early". Sure, there is satisfaction to having seen the value first, or even helped build it, but are we sure we did see the value and helped build it,... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I think it was JJ talking about it on twiiter, myself... - Terry O'Fee

The one thing I know is I signed up for friendfeed before I signed up for twitter. I think next month marks my first year on ff. I started right around the same time as Robert did, if I’m not mistaken. I can’t remember, but I think it was a press release, which brought me here. I remember reading about it several times that week. Other than what I had read, I signed up not knowing what to expect. I don’t remember if I participated my first day, either - Michael Fidler

. But, I can recall the conversations that day fairly well. I remember Robert making comments about how much less noise there was here. He was excited at the prospect of being able to have longer conversations, finally. He also loved the idea of rooms, and the different uses they might have. I also remember that everyone else was tired of the Fail Whale, and friendfeed might be a... more... - Michael Fidler

Robert: maybe just a little if you insist ;) But to be serious, coming back to Twitter vs. Friendfeed discussion: to me it's about context. On FrF you have tons of it, maximum one click away,and most of the time it's even embedded! Twitter is like web search - you have to make zillions of clicks and maybe, *maybe*, then you will find out the context of the conversation. That's why i didn't follow you (along with some other people) much - because basically all I saw the tweets, which were out of context. - Kirill Bolgarov

If the target is lucrative enough spammers will find a way to circumvent the system. Rooms at this point seem particularly vulnerable. - Brian Sullivan

I was on Twitter before Scoble got in. - Vijayendra Mohanty

I just realized I've been saying it wrong all along. - Craig Brownell

I'm decidedly uncool then, as I'm sure I joined both services after Robert. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

LOL, it was Louis Gray that showed the way for me. Sorry Robert, :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Dan: why be sorry? It was Louis who got me on friendfeed too! - Robert Scoble

I discovered FF through you. Changed my online experience ! Thanks. - Guy Vander Heyden

@Robert - Awesome. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

I knew about Twitter from nonRS sources. However, Twitter did lead me to RS who then led me to FF. I did resist until the new Beta, however. :) - Curtis Jackson

robert I am guessing we joined the services around the same time. i think I was one of the first 1300 people on twitter and pretty early on FF as well. so probably pretty close. - (jeff)isageek

I don't know if it counts if you are the type that signs up for anything that launches. - coldbrew

You were on twitter before me but I am pretty sure that I was on FriendFeed before you. It seems like I had to pull you in as imaginary. - Seek Ground

I was on facebook before you. I remeber when you joined and I was able to "be your friend" within the first couple hundred. - Christian Burns

Joined Twitter last September and was FF months before that. Twitter is "played". Too noisy. FF is so much better. Will be spending most of my time here. - Carlo At Your Service

i have an idea and thought that friendfeed.com domain suits very well. enter the site and then the awesomeness begins by luck. - İzzet Emre Kutlu

I did not realize the value of friendfeed until Scoble was accused to be an addict by Arrington. :-) - Martin Seibert

I was on FriendFeed.com about 1 week after they launched in early 2008. Joined Twitter in Feb 2008. I had heard of Scobleizer only a little bit, but was hearing him make more and more noise on the tubes! @Spin Eric Rice gave me the URL link to FriendFeed. Then this guy LG, err.. umm... oh yeah... Louis Gray kept pimping FF, so I stuck around a while and wow, it's all been good ever since! Robert Scoble "Scobleizer" soon became another great person to follow on FF... you guys all rock!! woo hooo!!1 - Susan Beebe

Martin - I was a fervent defender of Scoble on that TechCrunch blog post re "Scoble needs intervention" crap. Mike didn't "get" FriendFeed; in fact, he STILL doesn't value FF...augh! I love Mike anyway, but man catch already! LOL - Susan Beebe

Twitter was because of an article I read about it, but FF was because Scoble was the first person I followed on Twitter and he was just starting to discuss FF. - David Cook

I found twitter, ff, and Robert Scoble via Ed Dale and the Thirty Day Challenge 08. Glad to have found all 3! - Leigha

Yes I actually was on FF before becoming Scobelize which oddly enough I found through Facebook as sort of famousfriend Ryan Leech famous Canadian Norco mountain biker http://friendfeed.com/rleech keeps us updated through FF. The rest in terms of being Scobelized is history PS he could help you with your mountain bike question: though i'm sure he'd say Norco all the way - sofarsoShawn

I was on Twitter before I ran into Robert Scoble. However, he talked enough about FF that I decided to figure out what he was talking about. Here I am! - Damond Nollan

No to twitter, yes to friendfeed. Surprised it took you a while to get on friendfeed. I enjoy all that you do. Thanks. - Harold Cabezas

What Harold said. - Bruce Lewis

I have no idea. - Anthony Citrano

I was on Twitter after you, but I think I got on FF around the same time, though at the time I was thinking it wasn't that great, I am sorry to say. - Neal Jansons

I have to admit I never heard of you before I got on Twitter, but followed you because of stuff you posted. I think it was you who brought me to Friendfeed in March 2008 and I'll be always grateful for that ;-) - Gaby Benkwitz

Nope after Scoble for, twitter and FriendFeed, joined both due to the TWiT effect (ie. constant talking about them on TWiT shows). But was on Jaiku and Vox before Leo and Scoble, unfortunately Jaiku use has died down in the last few months. Jaiku's threaded comments are still superior to twitter for conversation any day of the week. - LonelyBob

New web 2.0 terms: "Scobleized" and "Oprah-ized" - James Guske

Yeap; joined twitter in April 2007, and FriendFeed soon after launch. But was anything ever not Scobleized? - Keith Barrett

Seek Ground

Google Similar Images - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...

April 20 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Worth trying - Seek Ground

Seek Ground

21 polo horses die mysteriously in Florida - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport...

April 20 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Sad - Seek Ground

Devin Anderson

Just got pulled over for speeding - http://brightkite.com/objects...

April 19 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

I wonder if tweets are admissable in court. - Seek Ground

Yeah it could be called tweevidence. - Devin Anderson

Luckily i got off with just a warning - Devin Anderson

Louis Gray

If you were depressed and wishing to die, would you post it to Twitter? And how should people react? @james_m_bailey

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Found this one by chance tonight. Is it a call for help or attention? What if you were to set up a search filter that weeded out those who had suicidal keywords? Would it be as effective as comcast_cares? http://twitter.com/james_m... - Louis Gray

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Hm. I swear I CC'd Twitter. - Louis Gray

Where's Demi Moore when you need her? - Hutch Carpenter

Not sure if it's funny Hutch. I have a difficult time when I see these. - Charlie Anzman

That is always a difficult question. It looks like a cry for help, but what can you do? I remember quite a few discussions of this sort a few months ago when the kid committed suicide on junstintv - Phil Maxwell

If they were serious.. no twitter/email/call/or any other communication would be done. By stating this they are asking for help. - CW™

May depend upon the non twitted relationship. - Seek Ground

It's hard to take people seriously or not when they say they wish they were dead on someplace like Twitter. Just as CW says, they are probably asking for help, or at least need someone they can vent to. - Helen Sventitsky

It is a cry for help...(one way or another...Just CW is correct (and nothing has posted to twitter for hours for me) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Also don't mistake "I wish I were Dead" And "I'm going to kill myself". They are two different things. - CW™

It is good to see compassionate people like you Louis. I think Just CW has a point. - LLL

"I wish I wear dead" Begs you to simply engage them. They may have nobody to talk to and it's probably all they need at this point. - Rahsheen ™

Just CW & Rahsheen - very correct...plenty of people wish this with no intention of carrying out even the "cry for help" type action.. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Someone tell me if Baskind weighs in on this here. I have been blinded. - Josh Haley

I'm not taking it seriously. He's a 19 y.o. (based on his tweets), and this looks to me like he's releasing some emotional steam. Dramatic, for sure. But this doesn't strike me as serious. Probably should get some help though. - Hutch Carpenter

Teachers are mandatory reporters and required to report even a joke - because you never know when the joke is just a test to see if anyone cares. Taking this requirement online would suggest we are all responsible when someone posts something ... - LPH™ and his dog P™

Actually, a psychiatrist once told me there isn't a difference between "I wish I was dead" and "I'm going to kill myself"—supposedly neither require involuntary hospitalization or even emergent evaluation by psychiatry, although I don't know if I'd be brave enough to leave it at that. What you definitely have to worry about is "I'm going to kill myself, I've been making plans for a while, and I'll tell you exactly how I'm going to do it." - Victor Ganata

If it is a recurring theme, then yes there is an issue. Taken out of context of what this person normally posts or how they act, it's hard to tell. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

Louis, how do you think people should react? - Sprague D

I think that most people who would post about killing themselves on Twitter are the sorts who are doing it just for attention. Usually the people I know who honestly try to kill themselves don't talk about it around the time they attempt it. - Lindsey Dragun/لندزي تنين

Also, remember, it could just be something that happened in this person's life at this time that is making them feel this way. Like, they made a huge mistake and cost his company $5,000. I think I'd be saying that too. The difference is the recovery from that hard fall. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

The real problem is that depression and suicidal thoughts are still very taboo in society. Feelings in general unless it's happy feelings are not talked about. Everyone expects everyone to be in a happy mood all the time. It's not like that. I should be able to say "I'm feeling down right now" and not have someone say "Cheer up" That's just masking the feelings. We're taught to push negative feelings aside. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

AND, the thing that bothers me about this is that kids now are almost not even allowed to experience all the emotions they should. There are no longer any winners or losers in most school-related activities. So when a kid loses or makes a mistake or whatever, they don't know how to feel because it's not natural to them. Especially teenage years. We need to make it ok again to experience life and be able to really feel the ups and downs in life and learn how to cope with them in an effective manner. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

Whether this is serious or not is impossible to determine without more information, although so far there aren't any specific mentions of plans or methods. - Victor Ganata

I think one should be careful about posting things like this on the internet. From what I've seen, there are many who are cruel and will ridicule those who are going through tough times. The anonymity makes it so easy to do so. And that doesn't make it any easier for the person feeling depressed, even if they don't intend self-harm. In fact, the cruelty might be enough to push them over the edge. - LLL

Mike, my kids sure don't live in that mythical world in which there is no competition, and there are no winners and losers. Far from it. These days, kids fight hard to make travel baseball teams before they even hit the double digits of age, for gosh sakes, and they play *all the time* if they make it, like little pros. Total pressure. In our local H.S., competition to make the glamorous teams is fierce, and academic competition is just as fierce. - Kathy Fitch

I would twitter back this message: The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline is 1-800-273-TALK (8255) if you need it. Not everybody sucks. Life won't always be bad. I promise. - Dawn

@Kathy, would you rather have them be in that mythical world of no competition or be learning from their hard work and the results they get from that hard work? Granted, I think there's such a thing as too much at such an early age. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

There's an enormous difference between sadness and depression, though. The former is a normal human emotion. The latter is a mental illness. If you've been trained to look for symptoms, the differences are actually pretty clear. - Victor Ganata

As far as the question at hand, it's a tough call. As a prof, I intervened when I saw comments like this. In places like Twitter and FB, I wouldn't try to separate dramatic gestures from real issues, or fictions from fact, and unless I really knew the person, I wouldn't touch a comment like that. (Truthfully, I might not even notice it in the din, so there's that, too.) - Kathy Fitch

There is a moment when people decide to do it. If you don't catch them, it's over. The odd thing is, if you DO stop it, they probably won't try again later. Most people don't fall that low more than once. You should take any kind of talk like this seriously, even if it's not real. But for somebody like this you don't know, the most you can do is suggest they get professional help, show you care and move on. I wouldn't engage them in conversation. - Dawn

Looking at the whole feed, it seems like this was possibly posted out of some frustration or anger perhaps. It's hard to tell. But I think he might have went to bed for real and that's why there have been no follow-up posts. Sometimes we do say things in the heat of the moment that are later regretted. But I still applaud you, Louis, for your concern. Having a caring and compassionate heart is never a bad thing. - LLL

Mike, I wish these kids could experience the kind of balance I was lucky enough to have in my small town youth. There was competition, but there was also possibility. You might not make every team, but you could make a team. You might make the team, but you might not start. At 5' 5" I not only made the volleyball team in H.S., but was the captain. That couldn't happen here in the Chicago burbs. I'd be laughed off the court, and that really is too bad. - Kathy Fitch

So . . .to learn how to cope with losing, you do need some playing time. "Losing" by not really getting the chance to play, or "losing" by being burnt out on sports by age 12 (when we were really just starting serious competitive play) is a shame. - Kathy Fitch

@Kathy and that's what I'm talking about. Nobody is given a chance to fail anymore. They're not allowed to experience trying something that they may never succeed in and fail, it's predetermined already that they will fail and therefore can't try. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

What, do kids not play during recess anymore? From what I remember, there was plenty of opportunity to learn about winning or losing even in 15 minutes. - Victor Ganata

@Dawn....I want to comment on what you said....but I'm struggling because I'm not comfortable sharing details about my experiences as someone who was depressed and suicidal. I agree with you that if there is an intervention, the person will most likely realize they need help. The problem is, the person has to WANT to get help and do it for themselves and nobody else. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

@Victor, I've heard different stories of kids ending up getting graded in school and everyone getting the median grade to not treat any other kids differently. Matter of fact, an old job I had a few years ago stopped all contests and warranty sales compensation because it wasn't fair to the people who for whatever reason didn't or couldn't win or sell. It's just stupid. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

Some people really are leading difficult lives that might actually get worse without a serious change that they just don't have the resources to make. The relentless cheeriness of so many tweets notwithstanding (how many inspirational quotes can a person read in one day without wanting to scream?), sometimes life is dark and difficult. Hell happens. We can't always fix it--certainly not for every last twitter follower or fb friend. Wish we could. - Kathy Fitch

Mike, that's not always true. If someone is depressed enough that they end up coming to medical attention, there's actually a finite probability that they'll get help completely without their consent. - Victor Ganata

Mike, do Honors and Advanced Placement classes no longer exist? Or continuation school? I'm really skeptical about this idea that schools are trying to completely eliminate academic differences between kids. - Victor Ganata

Mike, I agree with you--we should try lots and lots of things that we might not be at all outstanding at, and we should even continue enjoying those things for a lifetime. Enjoyment, fulfillment, and just the *experience* of the thing are important. I draw, but will never be a famous artist. I write, but am (alas) no Robert Frost. I sing, but not for anyone except my kids and the wind. Wouldn't give any of those things up for the world. Perfection is a totally unrealistic and paralyzing standard. - Kathy Fitch

@Victor, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

@Sprague, I think this particular example is not a very serious threat. But it does show a troubled youth (one of many), who is more vocal about this than I ever was during any dark times, and it's interesting he's using the medium. My corollary about could you set up a search for talks like this and be proactive is maybe more of a real idea. Truth is, many folks have these issues and never tell anybody at all. But if you saw this and something happened... - Louis Gray

@Kathy, exactly. If something gives you enjoyment, who cares if you're "doing it wrong", as long as it's not an issue of safety, have at it. Like my tattoo says "This too shall pass" "Carpe Diem" - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

Oh, I remember when some candy company actually changed the wording of its contest because when wrappers said "You are a loser!" folks took it to heart. They had to shift it to, "sorry, please try again" or some such. (Can't recall the details.) Anyway, I totally agree that it's important to reach, and to let kids both win and lose: be the valedictorian, ace the test, make the team, lose the game, get edged out, regroup, cope. - Kathy Fitch

Anybody here watch House? They killed off a character by suicide out of the blue, when there had been absolutely no warning, when he seemed like a happy-go-lucky person. I read people talking online, saying it wasn't realistic, but 25% of suicides are from people who never gave any indication at all. While they are more rare, they are also more successful at it. - Dawn

Ah, but everyone knows NCLB is broken, and it's only been in place for the past 6 years. I guess we'll have to wait and see what kind of effect it's had, and hopefully Obama is serious about fixing it. But that's another topic entirely that probably needs a new thread. - Victor Ganata

True Dawn. I've heard those statistics as well. I think if I were very serious about it and felt there was no way out, I wouldn't tell anyone. I wouldn't want to be talked out of it. I'd just do it. - LLL

It's always sad to me to see someone feel helpless and hopeless. However, sometimes it's easier to reach out to strangers than to ask for help from people you know. I was a volunteer for Crisis Hotline for 10 years, and the thing I was never able to accept there was that you have to let it go, and you can't help everyone. I think the best thing to do is not to make a judgment over whether it's serious, but just offer a positive comment, suggest they talk to someone or call a help line. - Trish R

Totally agree, Trish. We can't really know, and we can't really make promises. The sucking black pit is a highly individual thing--might not look at all like we think it should, and might not even be noticeable. Highly recommend _The Noonday Demon_ for an overview of depression, and Alvarez's _The Savage God_ for insight into suicide. (If you can only read part, skip to his first hand narrative at the end. Stunning, and instructive.) - Kathy Fitch

One came through my Twitter stream last night. The girl said 'I just kind of want to die now'. I never dialogued with her before, so don't know that's here humor... so I told said, "I hope you are kidding, and you seem totally cool". That's it, end of story, didn't hear back. - Michelle McCormack

I would Tweet back the Suicide Prevention Hotline. - Mona Nomura

http://search.twitter.com/search... - Louis Gray

I've posted similar tweets like this myself in the past. I did it mostly in hopes of getting some reassuring words from people who don't know me. - Mathew™

Louis: Wow, that's a lot. The problem with that statement, too, is that kids/teens live in the moment. Just like a child who tells their parents 'I really hate you," when they're mad and not mean it. They mean it because they hate their parents at that exact moment in time, but not overall. So "I want to die" is trickier. At that particular moment, maybe they do, but the problem is how to know when someone plans to actually act on that moment. The answer is, we can't really know. - Trish R

LG - maybe you should contact @ev and tell him to reach out to the Suicide Prevention Hotline to get them active on Twitter or something... - Mona Nomura

Mona I would be very surprised if Ev or Biz even responded. - Jesse Stay

I see that james bailey removed his Twitter account today, just like he said he would -- probably not what one would do if just looking for "attention". I left a message with Twitter support inquiring about his status and referencing this thread, but I doubt they can do much. Hope the kid is okay. - Sprague D

Interesting to see the @replies to him yesterday: http://search.twitter.com/search... - Hutch Carpenter

This discussion reminds me of the The Big Chill when the group laments suicide victim, Alex's failure to talk to any one of them about his feelings. Nick chides the group for their group for their hypocrisy. Anyone remember? - Jimmy Walker

I got this from someone here feeding in there tweete. The person obviously needed help, and seemed to be getting some from friends but I had to unsub, too much for me. - Eric @ CS Techcast

Lucky for him (I guess) that you (Louis) caught it. I made a similar post a while back and it was completely ignored (In my case it was just a wish - I had no intention of attempting suicide - I'm too chicken). But I can still say I wish I were dead. But at the time of my previous post, I was feeling particularly miserable. - angrykeyboarder™ (Scott)

Careful what you wish for, Scott. The body reacts to negative emotions. I got cancer when my husband was dying and my son was in war. Flesh has a way of manifesting thoughts, and vice versa. Like that old trick...if you force yourself to smile, you'll feel better emotionally. Your immune system is probably compromised already. If you REALLY want to be dead but are "too chicken," then keep telling yourself you wish you were. It'll come in time, probably much sooner than you think. - Dawn

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