i am one of those people who has a pre-digital tv. i could get a converter, but they're ugly and take up space and the tv i have is big and boxy and maybe reminds me just a little of my ex-husband, so... good excuse to get a new tv is what it might all add up to. ANyway, this one is 579.99 with free shipping. Good deal?
- edythe
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looks good to me! I say yay! though i am not an expert...
- Anna Lynn M.
Good specs, good customer reviews, surprisingly decent dead pixel policy. I normally say stay away from TigerDirect, but this doesn't look bad. I haven't price checked, though.
- Michael W. May
Polly, Amazon has it for $563 (there is only one left though) but the reason I am pointing you there is so you can see the reviews (18 of them) http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Br... Also, to really take advantage of it, you will either need to tune in over the air HD signals (which will give you all the broadcast networks) or sign up for HD services...
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- Robert Seidman
In some cases, the HD cable box comes free. It depends on your cable provider. If you go that route, check out monoprice.com for any HDMI cables you need. Don't get suckered at a store for something that'll cost less than $10 shipped.
- James Ferguson
hey, thanks a lot, guys! :) the thing about (not) taking advantage of HD is a good point, but mainly I need wither a converter or a newer model TV because my TV now gets only static because it can only receive analog. And I do enjoy watching some network tv. :)
- edythe
Real time (and Scoble!) are so, so, so overrated outside of tech. How much does Twitter matter to Huffington post's traffic? A gnat's eyelash compared to Google. But the Rackspace cloud is awesome as a hosting platform!
are you kidding? it's EASY to get "outside of tech" just not so easy on Friendfeed (follow Edythe though, it helps!)
- Robert Seidman
Robert: from what I hear Twitter brings a few percent of Huffington Post's traffic there.
- Robert Scoble
I have seen 10-25% of traffic coming from Twitter. Maybe Huffington Post can fine tune their Twitter strategy to double that traffic. If so, would they do it? I say Yes!
- Jamie Ginsberg
Jamie, sadly, you are a self described "social media guru" so you most definitely don't count. I'm sure our blog with no social media guru-nish has a lot more traffic than you, but I'd be happy to compare stats, if you want to do that. For now I will maintain that 10%-25% of nothing is...well, you know, because you're a guru and all!
- Robert Seidman
@Scoble (btw, we really are VERY HAPPY Rackspace Cloud customers, their service is tremendous!), 3% isn't much. I'm sure it will grow. And perhaps SOMEDAY real time social media will be crucial for sites like HP, but someday we'll all be dead, so I don't focus too much on that as a "non tech" site.
- Robert Seidman
Seldman: Ask TechCrunch or Mashable how important Twitter can be for traffic. 1,000,000+ followers a piece surely must translate to more than a gnat's eyelash.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Social media guru Garin, I guess reading comprehension isn't fundamental to being a social media guru? "Outside of Tech" would (and does) mean outside of sites like TechCrunch, and Mashable and all or any sites that focus heavily on "social media". But in a world of 7 billion people, you better believe 1,000,000 out of 7,000,000,000 is a gnat's eyelash.
- Robert Seidman
Anybody who argues with social media gurus gets my vote, although I think the guy's name is Garin. :)
- Cristo
Once upon a time only cutting edge companies sported sites on the WWW, and email was used by relatively few. The features for tech sites now are ahead of the general audience, and will likewise reach the mainstream over the course of years.
- Mike Chelen
Mike, you mean the features devoted to wasting time, or are there other features I'm missing?
- Cristo
Cristo, regarding friendfeed in particular, two important features are recommendations to move posts to the top if multiple friends like or comment, and realtime updates. these save time by highlighting the topics most likely to be relevant and interesting, and by ensuring users are not kept waiting for machine delays.
- Mike Chelen
Robert, why are you dismissing anyone who opposes you as a "social media guru"? I work in social media, although most of the companies I work with are not in the tech world. We have seen traffic jumps (on fairly large site, so stop with the 10-25% of nothing line) from twitter, facebook, and other social-based campaigns. It all comes down to how you use it. Do you think that comcast really cares how much traffic they get? No, because they use twitter for CSR.
- Mitchell Hislop
Laura: thanks! interesting to note that realtime communication has been a mainstay of internet applications such as IRC or AIM, and the transition now is to bring these features into web pages accessible through standard browsers.
- Mike Chelen
Mitchell, I wasn't dismissing him for having a different viewpoint, I was dismissing him for being a self-described "Social Media Guru" (his labeling, not mine!). BTW, I think real-time definitely has a place and obviously Twitter is very popular. We will sometimes get quite a bit of traffic from Twitter if someone with 500,000+ followers links to one of our posts. But Twitter as Google-killer still seems more than a bit far-fetched to me!
- Robert Seidman
Robert: Twitter search can yield more rich data than Google by returning both opinions and the people who are actively discussing the topic. Friendfeed goes one step farther with the capability of limiting searches to posts from friends, a degree of personalization beyond either the automated or manual search reordering currently available from Google.
- Mike Chelen
Robert, I also dont tote Twitter as a Google killer. Just defending it as a valueable tool, when used right.
- Mitchell Hislop
Mike, relative to Google, the use of Twitter search is tiny. Friendfeed tinier. While I think there is room for debate as to the value of those kinds of searches, there's no debate when it comes to usage. Overwhelmingly, most Twitter users don't use twitter search. I'm sure the same is true for Friendfeed. That isn't to say there's not utility in the information, but from a traffic generation standpoint, there really isn't. That could change someday, but someday will not be soon.
- Robert Seidman
Robert: many Twitter users take advantage of the search feature, either through the website, a client, or #hashtags. it's noteworthy as one of few examples where any search engine is preferred over Google. even if significant market share takes 5 years to accumulate, some may consider it to be "soon"
- Mike Chelen
"To demonstrate the virtual technology at a media briefing on its Bristol, Ct. campus, ESPN assembled longtime anchor Chris Berman and EVP of technology Chuck Pagano in a conference room, seated some eight feet apart, with a series of large HD displays behind them. Then longtime anchor Bob Ley magically appeared, seated on a chair between them, in hologram form on the TV screens."
- Robert Seidman
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Conversation Clusters on FF: do you want folks to connect fragmented conversations or not? (my vote = YES connect them; use a "private" room if you don't want convos connected) - http://qik.com/video/135273
See Robert Scoble's Qik video on FF Conversation clusters; micro conversations; rooms and need for better tools on FF... good piece Robert & Patrick (impromptu camera man!) http://qik.com/video/135273
- Susan Beebe
yes. stitching together memes using people is desirable, especially considering how fast the Friendfeed River of Noise runs. This is a classic cataloging technique. It's the "See also" or "Related topics" technique.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
In the new model, do you see this comment under your initial comment AND under my name ?
- martin english
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Yes- b/c with new articles coming up I see a few diff. FF posts about it- having clustering sounds great, and like Trent's idea of "more..."
- anna sauce
I'd like to have the choice of joining the connected conversation or starting a new conversation. The private room idea is interesting, but it might be too much effort (and too much room invite spam) for most people to start a new room, invite a specific list of friends, and have them join and participate..
- Hao Chen
Certainly Not. I've watched Robert's video and I couldn't agree less with him. It would be terrible if lots of conversations were carried on behind closed doors - which is what he's advocating. It would completely defeat the purpose of having an open system where people can actually move through the social network and discover each other. Likewise it would be terrible if all of the conversations about the same content were aggregated together automatically just like reddit.
- Robin Barooah
Has anyone stopped to wonder why it is we love FriendFeed so much? I think the quality of the conversation has a lot to do with the fact that it is seeded in small groups and then grows across the social network. Duplicates may be annoying some of us, but are they such a problem that we should risk destroying the community to get rid of them?
- Robin Barooah
Robin: private conversations happen all the time. Look at Calacanis' email list or Facebook or, well, the Fortune conference I am now at. I wish there were more choices in who I have conversations with.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - agreed - and personally I don't have any problem with people like you 'manually' connecting conversations. My point is that FriendFeed is currently different - it's semi-permeable, and perhaps we love it because of that. Imagine you automatically aggregated conversations based on content and FriendFeed had 100M users - I don't want to be in a conversation with the 1% of those people who happened to post about a particular news item.
- Robin Barooah
What about this: You see the item you or one of your friends shared with its respective comments and a link (something like "more discussions") so you can see more conversations about the same item. If many of your friends shared it, you see the one with more comments first.
- Alejandro
Robert, so you have what, *thousands* of people you can have conversations with and it's not enough? Really? You could always go raise some venture capital and attempt to build a service that would allow you to have even more conversations. I don't think that should be FriendFeed's or any other company's goal though. That's not a slam on you, I just don't think these services should worry about designing to solve for your very extreme case.
- Robert Seidman
Robert: I follow 3000. That is enough. The problem we are discussing isn't that I don't have enough. Why are you changing the discussion. Actually THAT is what we are discussing! How to keep random people from changing the conversation! Heh!
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, you may have ADD. About 5 comments up (as I write this) you wrote (in THIS thread): I wish there were more choices in who I have conversations with. - Robert Scoble Or, I merely misunderstood what you meant.
- Robert Seidman
I don't see a need to connect the conversations any more than I believe there should be only one place to have a comment thread on a blog post. If Robert and others believe that commenting on FriendFeed is okay, then commenting in multiple places in FriendFeed is okay as well.
- Louis Gray
I don't see a problem with people trying to link the conversations together, but I also don't lose sleep over the fragmentation. This is another case where I would rather see conversations connected by some third party tool. I don't think it should be a FF thing. I am also pretty positive such tools already exist.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Scoble: I did watch your video Susan linked to, but I come down being with Louis and remain steadfast in the hope that FriendFeed doesn't design the service to your tastes. Here's why: you follow three thousand people. If FriendFeed scales to 10 million users you can pretty much count on 99% of them following less than 100 people. I have no doubt FriendFeed has these stats and can check it with the current base. You're such an extreme use case that you're a bad person to design this service.
- Robert Seidman
I want a feature in FF that allows me to SEE all the conversations in flight around a particular post so that I can join 1 or multiple convos and comment accordingly. Currently I can NOT see the entire picture. I can't even imagine how huge the conversations would be if we had EVERYONE in the same conversation. this goes back to my request to have the ability to FLAG a convo to a particular category of interest.
- Susan Beebe
Robert: I'm not designing this service, first of all. Second of all, I've shown it to a LOT of people and the #1 thing they tell me why they don't come back? "It's too noisy." So, there's something wrong with the design that's keeping it from going really big, so I seriously doubt we'll get to 10 million users anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: you should learn to use the search. Go to the "Everyone" tab. Then search on something. You'll see all conversations, including from people you've previously blocked or hidden. In fact, this would be a killer feature: to be able to search the main topic of a comment cluster right from a link at the bottom of the cluster. Sort of like Techmeme lets you turn on search if you want (it's in the preferences on there).
- Robert Scoble
Susan I understand the flag/pin, but here's the critical piece I am missing as far as ability to see the entire picture -- why? Why does anyone want this? I for example am very interested in how Apple is handling Steve Job's health, but if you provided me with a tool that allowed me to read every post and every comment on this topic, there wouldn't be enough time to get through it. It could be done, but I don't see what the true benefit is beyond some illusion of control. What am I missing?
- Robert Seidman
The tools are already here to make Friendfeed pretty much anything you want. While the comment fragmenting can be mind-boggling, it also has 'some' advantages, like good or very popular pieces hitting the front page multiple times. I have invested a lot of time here and have a lot of faith in the FF team to do what works ... over time ... at the right time. Hopefully I won't be wrong. I hope I'm not in the minority I visit and clean up my own feed about once a day (IE: Items without comments ... gone).
- Charlie Anzman
@Scobelizer - people I've shown FF to have made similar 'it's too noisy' complaints. But when I've asked them what they mean it's always the FOAF stuff that they dislike - specifically the 'celebrities' who they don't have any connection with. I personally like some of what the a-list have to say, and enjoy the stream of content that I don't have time to look for, but some of my friends have switched off FOAF because of me commenting on posts by you, Arrington, etc.
- Robin Barooah
@Scobelizer - could it be that people think it's too noisy when you show it to them because your personal view is much more noisy than almost anyone elses? In fact I unsubscribed to you myself, although am subscribed to some people who are subscribed to you who act as a filter for me.
- Robin Barooah
Robin, exactly: imagine the service as intended, and not as some SNS pyramid scheme to drive traffic to your blog or Scoble/Louis Gray "super users". You follow less than 50 people, your real friends, family, co-workers. You see their pictures, their blog posts, what they find interesting to share, what music they're liking etc all in one convenient place. Too quiet for Scoble, but not too noisy for most.
- Robert Seidman
Robin: yes, that's possible, but usually the noise they mean is the duplications that they see, and also that conversations keep coming up in their face. They are used to Twitter or Facebook, which just is a straight stream. Then I teach them about hide and they usually calm down. The subscribing to noisy people is a problem, but think about a newbie: who should they follow? No one? Then FF is lame. Scoble? Great for techie geeks who like that kind of flow.
- Robert Scoble
Even if you follow a few non-noisy people you still see lots of duplication and noise. It's a real problem. Most people don't like systems like these. They don't also like participating in conversations, especially when they don't know who is participating.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobelizer - I don't disagree with those statements. I just think the solution isn't obvious and may end up being quite subtle. Also - as to newbies - perhaps it's not going to spread though people typing www.friendfeed.com into their browsers and not knowing who to follow but though word of mouth giving them some obvious personal starting points.
- Robin Barooah
Robert Scoble: Good call - I do need to learn to use the FF search better to find conversations / topics (I rarely use this feature and should do so more often - thanks!). I've only blocked 2 people and hidden FOAF on some heavy feeds (too much noise); I like REALLY like your idea of Search with main topic (parent) displayed with related topics (children) with Links to each. The Techmeme example you gave was great too - that would be cool!
- Susan Beebe
Robert Seidman: the reason I want a "Flag conversation" feature in FF is so that I can view / monitor conversations and IDEAS as they emerge. I may not participate in all those conversations, but I will scan them for sure - and I will LEARN and grow from my exposure to the marvelous ideas and concepts presented in those rich and diverse threads. I've learned much even from this one...
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- Susan Beebe
Susan, I use the Read Later Greasemonkey plugin for Flagging convos.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rasheed do you have a link to that Greasemonkey script so I can use it too... nice idea!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks, Susan. But I *do* understand why you want flag and completely agree it'd be a useful feature. What I don't understand is the value in seeing every single comment on a topic everywhere commenting on a particular topic occurs (though as Scoble notes you can get much of it via search).
- Robert Seidman
Robert Seidman: This same convo is happening in at least 3 active ares on FF with Scoble and I participating. This is where the signal is. I want to scan (not read every comment -- too time consuming -- to learn and also participate/ contribute to each related convo accordingly (although sometimes I must read all the comments in order to fully appreciate the developed maturity of a...
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- Susan Beebe
How would flagging be different from Liking?
- Mike Chelen
"NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- If you have any doubt the legendary rivalry between PespiCo and Coca-Cola is real, head down to U.S. District Court in New York. Gatorade-Powerade There, the beverage behemoths faced off this afternoon over ad claims pitting Coke's Powerade against Pepsi's Gatorade, and it was far from the civilized spat one might expect from Fortune 100 companies. Instead, it was an old-fashioned, no-holds-barred courtroom brawl."
- Robert Seidman
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not all users are equal when it comes to *anything*. As an aside, maybe FriendFeed should have a "likes" barter system so that some of us could transfer likes to Polly and Mitchell when they run out!
- Robert Seidman
Was kinda happy with the day before. hadn't blogged in a while due to workload, so the traffic was declining a bit. Then this happened. Weird.
- Alexander van Elsas
It's happened a few times before. I find it to be non-sustainable. It's like s hit and run. People subscribe less to blogs anyways, 50% of this traffic was caused by Twitter
- Alexander van Elsas
Hopefully you will gain more followers after all the exposure! :)
- Johnny
Alexander, if you don't mind sharing, what percentage of the Twitter referrals looked at more than one page of your blog?
- Robert Seidman
@Robert, I don;t think Wordpress can tell me that exactly. But the traffic is focused 90% on that one post.
- Alexander van Elsas
As long as it happens every now & then I wouldn't object to it.
- Ton Zijp
"Vespa’s goal was to find out whether a financial offer would attract customers, and Mr. Herman’s data concluded that it did. The $0 down offer attracted 71 percent more responses from one group of Web surfers than the average of all the Vespa ads, while the T-shirt offer drew 29 percent fewer"
- Robert Seidman
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"Some of these comments have me wanting to mash up a "Leave Fred Wilson alone!!!!" video. :-) I am surprised at the tone of some of the comments. I think perhaps people took it to an extreme with the quote of "Important information will find me" and extended that to the (perhaps logical in some alternate universe) extent of "...so I don't have to do ANYTHING!". Fred's message was pretty simple and he wrote it clearly. He can't respond to every e-mail, blog comment, blog post referencing one of his posts, tweets, etc. He's not declaring any kind of bankruptcy, he's simply accepting the truth that it would be impossible to stay on top of all of that, so he's not making it a high priority to even try. That seems completely sane to me. Fred is NOT going to stop actively seeking out information, and the very important information that he is NOT seeking out, WILL still find him if it's truly very important."
- Robert Seidman
"So just who are those so-called early adopters? A new Nielsen study focused on broadband-media consumers reveals that these folks are hardly a homogeneous group of gizmo geeks. Because who they are and how they get involved with broadband media can help advertisers and producers figure out how best to market their products, Nielsen did a deep dive into data and came up with eight distinct categories of such consumers."
- Robert Seidman
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"whoa, I'm not used to a post on Chuck that doesn't have a gazillion comments. So let me chime in (especially since a surge of Chuck fans knocked our site out of commission). Josh Bernoff is correct. The fan campaign (and I too bought a $5 foot long) had no impact on the ratings for Chuck's season two finale. There are plenty of shows where the amount of Internet coverage/hype/fan support does not jibe with the TV viewership. Among them, Gossip Girl, Damages, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, it was the same with Battlestar Galactica too. I think this particular fan campaign was pretty cool in that at least they got a meal out of it! But, while cool, fan campaigns rarely seem effective at saving shows, and after Jericho, I think it will be a while. If Chuck comes back, its because Warner Brothers (studio that produces Chuck) offered it at a price NBC liked, not because of any fan campaign."
- Robert Seidman
"Over 60 percent of people who sign up to use the popular (and tremendously discussed) micro-blogging platform do not return to using it the following month, according to new data released by Nielsen Online. In other words, Twitter currently has just a 40 percent retention rate, up from just 30 percent in previous months--indicating an “I don’t get it factor” among new users that is reminiscent of the similarly-over hyped Second Life from a few years ago."
- Robert Seidman
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It never did.. only the morons are still there !
- Peter Dawson
"A few nights ago Steven Bevacqua, a postproduction supervisor for the television series “Life,” was flipping through the May issue of Wired magazine when he thought he started seeing secret messages. Yes, he’d just come home from a long day at work, but then again, the issue was guest-edited by J. J. Abrams, a creator of enigmatic television shows like “Lost” and “Fringe.”"
- Robert Seidman
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lol, perhaps you're setting off invite filters because of your name? As in "You'll add function and style to your dining room with this beautiful HUTCH..."
- Robert Seidman
Mike - I tend to hide my flair for decoration. Even my wife doesn't know about it.
- Hutch Carpenter
Robert - And it doesn't help that my last name is carpenter...
- Hutch Carpenter
"There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all. Peter Drucker American (Austrian-born) management writer (1909 - 2005)"
- Robert Seidman
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"In Friday’s New York Times, Holland Cotter reviewed “The Generational: Younger Than Jesus,” at the New Museum that includes work only by artists 33 or younger. Among the works he mentioned was Liz Glynn’s “24 Hour Roman Reconstruction Project, or, Building Rome in a Day,” in which the artist and a team of collaborators built a model of the Italian capital in the museum’s lobby and then destroyed it."
- Robert Seidman
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"FINAL BATTLESTAR GALACTICA LIVE AUCTION EVENT SET FOR MAY 8, 9 AND 10 IN PASADENA, CALIFORNIA Last Remaining Items Include The Visionary "Starbuck" Painting, Admiral Adama's Desk Chair And Full Size Viper Mark II Ships - To Be Offered In Live Auction Weekend Commemorating One Of The Most Acclaimed Dramas In Television History"
- Robert Seidman
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"The T2200S features a 1-Terabyte hard drive -- for up to 1,000 hours of standard-definition video -- and supports external storage via USB or an optional eSATA port. As a tru2way-based device, the T2200S is designed to run any OCAP-based interactive program guide, according to EchoStar."
- Robert Seidman
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But can you imagine the outrage that would occur if they did!
- Bryce Roney
Bryce, I don't see why there would be an outrage? Google are already integrating DoubleClick and are analysing your data when visiting sites which are using Adsense if they are Tech based etc to make the ads more relevant. The same should apply to Social Networks.
- Nicholas James
Maybe they should use F-Connect to give the websurfer a more personalized surfing experience. I think FB can provide a lot of value if the ads you see on your favorite blogs and websites are connected to the content AND your personal data. While you don't have any ads on your blog Louis, you still have a F-Connect button and many other might add it if they find value in it. Could it be that FB should look out of its actual boundaries?
- Zack Brandit
I think FriendFeed is beginning to become the place to go for the real-time web and I'm sure it's the point of the redesign. They have mastered (or are in the process of mastering) how this feed stuff works. Realtime event monitoring is on FriendFeed and no where else at the moment.
- Brandon Titus
probably not the answer you're looking for...but it's because of all the content that is aggregated here (it posts whether or not people are using it) - just playing devils advocate :)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Is it bad that I agree with my brother? Friendfeed is pretty active today. Actually, I haven't noticed a slowdown in activity of late at all other than the usual weekend lull.
- Alex Scoble
Robert: You held your own. Defended us all valiantly ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
What are you all doing here? You are supposed to be on Twitter!
- Robert Scoble
Yep, Robert Seidman is right. But don't count Friendfeed out yet. Especially with the troubles Twitter has with each plateau of growth.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
I think he was speaking relative to other services. I do think this will be a huge boost to Friendfeed.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Gavin - I tried "arringtonsucks" in that field.
- Larry Hudson
it's moving so fast because you follow _everyone_ and everyone has 1 or more feeds that goes into FriendFeed.
- rob friedman
rob, my feed is updated quickly too and I'm not a top user. Robert is right on this one and Arrington is just speaking about something he doesn't use.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Rob: bullshit. I am standing in front of my hotel and this post has gotten 22 comments and tons of likes. There are a LOT of people using friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I know there is a lot, im just stating the obvious. there is a lot of people, and FriendFeed decided to real-time it up a bit.
- rob friedman
I'm seeing a *ton* more activity today on my FF posts than usual. I also find it's much easier to use FriendFeed instead of TweetDeck to do my Twitter posts now - the character count is nice.
- Jesse Stay
LOL, Robert I'm not sure Rob is right, but at this point your picture and your friendfeed picture and comment are well aligned. they are both distortions of reality.
- Robert Seidman
Once FriendFeed hits critical mass then the onslaught will begin, and I will be thankful of the Filtering once I figure it out. :)
- rob friedman
We should comment more on Mike's stuff. He'll rush sooner or later.
- Jérôme Flipo
I assume he was meaning "no one" in comparison to the amount of activity he thinks twitter and facebook has. It's like how people say that no one plays EQ2 anymore even though its still like 500k. That's supposedly no one compared to the 11 million + WoW has. But yeah, he's just an ass in general.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
pourmecoffee, that sounds suspiciously like a complaint that FF's user base skews towards higher IQs... ;-)
- Karim
I have no idea what pourmecoffee is talking about. I talk about politics and see political posts all day long on friendfeed. It's why I'm so engaged by it. Twitter? You couldn't have a proper political discussion on Twitter if you even wanted to.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, The conversation happens easier because there isn't any concept of threading in Twitter except when the engine catches an @reply. Imagine how easy it will be to start discussions about anything using the Jabber chat client. FriendFeed could start automatically generating MUC (multi-user chat) rooms, and give a jabber:// link
- rob friedman
coffee, you are definitely following the wrong people here if you think that.
- Alex Scoble
OK now you are confusing fun with media and political people with politics. There's plenty of fun and politics going on in friendfeed with REAL people as opposed to talking heads. As it should be. We don't need talking heads here when we can speak for ourselves.
- Alex Scoble
You could also argue, depending on the sphere you survey, that nobody uses Twitter, Google Reader, Techmeme, TechCrunch or many other sites. In our bubble, we use all those. FriendFeed is being used, and it is getting more active.
- Louis Gray
Is that Robert Seidman...on FriendFeed? Welcome back man!
- Hutch Carpenter
Robert, you were awesome on GG today...thanks for making the arguments so well.
- Karoli
We don't need "stars" that just come on here and don't participate. We need real people having real conversations, which is exactly what we are getting.
- Alex Scoble
Crowdsourced interviews really need upvotes. It would help if we could permalink and upvote individual comments in this and other FF threads.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
so where is the show file? is Gilmor editing the shit out of it---immediate gratification .... just upload the show, Steve? Arrington, the clueless pundit...
- ChaoSurfer
yes, the speed of the auto scrolling really gives u a sense of how things are moving..
- erwinhuang
btw, bob, any plan on mobile version? or is it already out? iphone, symbian?
- erwinhuang
the "web" appears to have a lot of "content" but if you eliminate all the spam ... is there really that much out there? it's not fair to say "no one is using friendfeed" but "there's so very little value in friendfeed" - it's a virtual water cooler, great for entertainment value and time suck, but that just makes it MySpace with a Web 2.0 UI.
- Dossy Shiobara
That's why I don't listen to those people. I don' care about what they say or think.
- Richard A.
I love Arrington's cynism because it makes people think? I understand where he is coming from because he is one type of FF user. I really don't think anyone gets FF yet. Bloggers kinda get it because they consume lots of information but they do not fully get it ... I feel like Scoble might have an idea, but as an early adopter he gets distracted defending shiny new things..someday i might spare the time to enlighten Arrington and the cynics. FF is going to change everything.
- Tweet Feeds
I've noticed people are using it more recently (the BETA appears to have increased activity too)
- Nicholas James
But Robert, that's because you're subscribing to *everyone* on FriendFeed :)
- Ian Betteridge
You should try subscribing to everyone, just to see how fast the feed could really move! :)
- Ian Betteridge
Arrington is completely wrong that are not too many using, but is growing. Look at me! Friend Feed arrives at brazil! I'm brazilian and I love Friendfeed and I'm showing to everyone that I know.
- Rafael
from twhirl
unfortunately, friendfeed - even though its technology is absolutely top - won't even scratch facebook or make friends of mine using it; can't upload photos, tag people in there.. can't have a detailed profile of yourself.. that's what most people are in for! if facebook only copied half of the stuff friendfeed offers, it would be nearly untouchable in the middle term.. i know, friendfeed doesn't want to compete with facebook, but given the fact its technology is state-of-the-art: why not try?
- Johannan Edelman
Johannan Edelman, because simply their goal aren't the same
- abdellah
FB first concern is users grow, when FF it is content
- abdellah
ok abdellah, so what? ok, you don't want to become facebook, but that doesn't prevent you from taking over/copying some of facebooks stuff.. why not pulling up a true profile page like on facebook, for starters?
- Johannan Edelman
cause johannan the approach diverge, in FB users profile means users typing data in a form in FF users profile is users stream.
- abdellah
let take robert stream, robert service set, it define in a precise manner who robert is. it is even better then a short bio paragraph.
- abdellah
abdellah: thing is: people would share much more content on FB, but their technology sucks; FF has the technology, so why not trying to attack FB, right now when they seriously failed with the new layout?
- Johannan Edelman
yes, that's true for you and me, coz we know scoble (who doesn't in this tech-affine circle?)
- Johannan Edelman
FB havn't failed my friend, they are opening their content to others. and without even taking celebrity example like robert, a look to my service give you as many profile as servie each service is attached to a profile.
- abdellah
thing is: i use FB most of the time and i really struggle with it when i see the possibilities FF offers. for me, a mixture of FB and FF would be perfect! :)
- Johannan Edelman
I do like the new Twitter-like design
- Kyle Austin
i know that FF has different goals than FB. but goals can change! FF right now is used mostly by tech-savvy people. their tech rocks, the possibilities of FF combined with FB's userbase would totally dominate! why not try to copy some of FB's features? would it hurt? nobody would be forced to use them (a full profile page for instance). FB right now seems vulnerable, and who knows if there might be a better chance of attacking the giant than right now!
- Johannan Edelman
The superior Platform wins in the end. Example: Facebook vs. MySpace.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Agree with Garin, like IP over other early protocols in first ages.
- Guy Vander Heyden
no one? 240.000 people is not really no one...
- Jorg Jansen
garin: what do you mean by "superior"? FF has technological superiority when it comes up to feeds and the way you are able to interact with other users real-time; but FB offers a much larger variety of services. and despite the different flaws, i think it's superior right now. btw: technological superiority never was a guarantee for success.. think of betamax vs. vhs, windows vs. apple at the beginning, and there are many many more..
- Johannan Edelman
So roughly a week later, has Arrington eaten his humble pie yet? I think this week especially he's been proven wrong.
- George Hall (Australia)
"Nice post, Mike. It's still not clear to me that Twitter won't be the next pet rock or Livestrong bracelet, but it is clear that social networking in general isn't going away. The issues you describe won't either, because they are not technology driven so much as human nature driven. Technology usually magnifies certain aspects of human nature rather than changing it. Social networking in a lot of ways gives people at least the illusion of control, and for many, even the illusion is very powerful. BTW, if you really want to build one-to-one relationships, I'd strongly encourage putting your e-mail and phone number directly on your "contact" page. The e-mail can be entered in ways that spammers can't scrape it. Your phone will not ring non-stop, and your e-mail box won't overflow, but over time you will build some good relationships by doing so."
- Robert Seidman
"Moviegoers plunking down in their seats will soon be greeted with a message from an unlikely source: The Federal Reserve. The institution plans to run a public service announcement in theaters warning of foreclosure scams, including those that purport to offer information for a fee even though it is readily available for free from consumer groups and the federal government."
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet
David, for me it would mostly be about having things like the tabs, show best of in big iPhone style category links that are easier to tap. and then possibly mitigating the need to send pics via mail2ff, and just have it direct through the app and the iphone's camera roll
- Robert Seidman
oooh, just loaded twitterific up, nice eye candy.
- David Vasileff
I realize this is not nearly as exciting, but anyone know of a good FriendFeed application for BlackBerry?. . .
- DaveFriesen
as an aside, I can't help but wonder if the Facebook iPhone app will win back some of the digerati. Dave F, have you tried fftogo.com? it's not blackberry specific, but it is a mobile app.
- Robert Seidman
Robert, have tried fftogo. Nice, but spoiled by clean BB app's like Gmail, Viigo, etc.
- DaveFriesen
For FriendFeed iPhone app - how about some geo action (Brightkite)? Oh, and how about some grouping functionality (TweetDeck style)? Not too crazy, just some features that fit and exploit the iPhone's capabilities...
- Bryan Landers
Definitely agree with this, I am surprised there isn't one!!!
- Joe Dawson
I'd rather have a FriendFeed N95 app than an *P**ne thingy
- Ivan Pope
from twhirl
There's BuddyFeed but I don't like the interface and at times fails with a slow connection. Nambu has a nice interface and supports multiple social networks but its FF integration isn't complete.
- Rodfather
I don't love BuddyFeed, on the other hand, I seem to always be in it instead of on the ff.com/iphone, so that must mean something, too. Probably just convenient - it does boot up quick.
- felix
"""There seems to be this hidden supply of booze and cigarettes aboard Battlestar Galactica. We're totally out of food, we're on the run, but still we have booze," joked Hogan. "When Ellen came back, it was like, thank God, we know we're going to have more booze."""
- Robert Seidman
ya, they do seem to have lots of booze on board, wonder what ship makes it.
- rob friedman
""There seems to be this hidden supply of booze and cigarettes aboard Battlestar Galactica. We're totally out of food, we're on the run, but still we have booze," joked Hogan. "When Ellen came back, it was like, thank God, we know we're going to have more booze.""
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet
Compete lists "kade dworkin" as the top search query driving traffic to FriendFeed ahead of even "friendfeed" and "friend feed". I'd love to know how many referrals FriendFeed gets that way...and why. My experience with Compete's "top keywords" is that while they lag somewhat, they are generally accurate. Are they in this instance?
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet
""You should never have invited me here," Olmos said. ("He always says this!" said cast-mate Mary McDonnell.) "There's no such thing," he said. "As if there was a Latino race, an Asian race, an indigenous race, there never has been a Latino race and there never will be! There's only one race and that's the human race. ... Over 600 years ago, the 'Caucasian race' decided to use it as a cultural determiner to kill another culture. ... I spent 37 years of my adult life trying to get this word out and now I am well-prepared. There is but one race! So say we all!""
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet
"Stupid humans!" Wait, would that be the only racist remark you could possibly make?
- Josh Haley
From Ron Moore: " We sort of raped the treasury of Universal for the last one," he said. "Universal stepped up. The network was, 'Fine, make it three hours! But somebody has to pay for it and it ain't going to be us.' And the studio, in particular Todd Sharp, our head of production, they went back, they crunched numbers, and they came up with a whole extra hour of money to do it with. That's an amazing thing for these corporations that are supposed to be heartless and not care about anything but the bottom line.""
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet
"Math has helped place a man on the moon and has counted the genes in our DNA. But never mind all that. A mathematician says he has finally produced something that people really care about: a foolproof way to beat Sudoku puzzles."
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet
"NEW YORK Are you feeling any Twitter guilt? What about Twitter remorse? Some agency CEOs are feeling both. But the execs say their guilt -- which comes in the form of the nagging feeling that they're not posting frequently enough -- and their remorse-an opposite "syndrome," if you will, that comes with having said too much-are not stopping them from Twittering as often as they can."
- Robert Seidman
from Bookmarklet