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A practical scalable distributed B-tree - http://www.hpl.hp.com/techrep...
Nagender Parimi, binic, Dmitry 'radiant' Volkov and 76 other people liked this
"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
What, no comparison to BigTable?
- ⓞnor
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A.T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
After signing the papers :)
Ozer Wrzl (EN), can catalyurek, Pelikan® and 495 other people liked this
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- jcunwired
What's with the fists, Paul? :)
- April Buchheit
congrats Paul
- Zee.
I thought it would make a funny picture April.
- Paul Buchheit
Secret backyard meetings FTW. :)
- EricaJoy
What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:)
- Tomas Remotigue
Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess.
- Paul Buchheit
Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up?
- Andy Bakun
American big business such a formal affair
- Robert Higgins
Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :)
- Brian Chang
Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with.
- Jesse Stay
Congrats. Happy for you guys.
- Tsega Dinka
Must have been exciting, congrats.
- sean percival
Congrats, and thanks for having us here. Much success in whatever comes next.
- Chris Baskind
Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!!
- Mel Buckpitt
Congrats to you guys!
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :)
- Susan Beebe
:-(
- Jim Is Not Smart
Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal?
- Mitch
Mitch, feel free to use the photos.
- Paul Buchheit
where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
SWEET!!! Congratulations!
- Chad Lester
...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this.
- .LAG liked that
Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Congrats and best wishes for the future.
- Jeff Stannard
For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :)
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money!
- laosan
Congratulations guys!
- Diego Barros
I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too.
- Drea Lester
Congrats!
- Christopher Golda
Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations.
- ashish
LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. ->
- Alex Schleber
Hahaha! Funny Alex..
- Bill Heslin
congratulations! keep the innovation coming...
- ozlubling
VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congratulations to you and your team.
- Maria Niles
just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward!
- xxx xxxxx
Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF.
- Eric Johnson
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :)
- Fenn
Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :)
- Pete Delucchi
You've done a great job! You deserve this and more... Congrats!
- Ricardo J. Valle
now this is what a deal term meeting should look like - file under inspirational -
- mediaeater
Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made?
- seman
I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news
- Nayan
Congratulations!
- Made Adi
++Mark
- David Cook
Awesome! Congratulations!
- michael silverton
hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!!
- K.D.
+Lindsey
- Kamilah Gill
I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders"
- Brad Williamson
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Looks like Mathew™ has found a UI bug by flooding contiguous characters.
- Jay Cuthrell
I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge?
- Jesse Stay
Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they?
- Jesse Stay
Congratulations to all of you!!
- Steve de Mena
The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers.
- Steve Gillmor
Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en...
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF.
- Martha
We should start a PhotoShop meme on this.
- Ben Hanten
Millionaire meme
- Bill Heslin
Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air.
- Ben Hanten
++Ben
- David Cook
Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :)
- Chris Loft
Congrats! The hard work paid off
- Becca
Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
congrats on building an amazing product and incredibly passionate community! I was mad at first, but then realize that the technology was most likely sold, not the community. I'm hoping ff community will stay somewhat untouched and features that have been built into ff will be ported to fb.
- Derek Coatney
Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow.
- Keith Pelczarski
No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nicely put, guruvan.
- Anne Bouey
What I wonder is ... a 50-million dollar deal and no one has a camera capable of taking a clear photo? :P
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Congratulations
- Steve C
@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell.
- Shane Gibbons
LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done.
- Darius Dunlap
This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
Grats. :)
- Joshua Schnell
Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =(
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive!
- RateBrain
Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne?
- Shane
Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now !
- Mike Schmidt
Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely.
- Ovidiu Predescu
Enjoy!
- Paul Mayne
NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out
- Ric Johnson
Congratulations! :)
- İdris Cin
hayırlı olsun
- Sinan İŞLER
:O :(
- ★amin.m★
congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move.
- ray
Congratulations guys :)
- Yalcin Parmaksiz
So the deal was done at night in someone's back yard. Weird.
- Andy C
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!!
- Mohamed J
Hayırlı işler...
- Onur Selek
Congratulations gentlemen!
- Mutimba
Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right".
- Paola Bonomo
shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again...
- Eran Kampf
from iPhone
cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean!
- Atif UNALDI
Great vibe :)
- Sharel
from FriendFeed API Example
@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Clifford Kennedy
@Clifford, haha LOL.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Bilseydik biz alırdık :)
- Hamdi Yaman
wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place
- MobilAdam
very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva
- Sangeeta Narayan
valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli..
- Mücahit Yılmaz
Who took the pic?
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
@MobilAdam + 1.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Mücahit +1 :D
- Hamdi Yaman
böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin
- Fatih Hayrioğlu
Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler?
- mustafa can
Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over".
- özlem ercan
bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim
- MobilAdam
Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor...
- Zeki Pehlivan
tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!!
- muratt
Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46...
- İbrahim Özdemir
Congratulations! :)
- Ruben Sanchez
Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :)
- Olcayto Cengiz
Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF.
- frankiecarl
Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina ++++
- Shevonne
wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple
- Thomas Power
MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym
- Joe Dawson
These guys represent the most talked about entreprises (Ok even more so by geeks in the case of Friendfeed) and they're still in their 20s. We're talking millions of dollars and look how relax they look and casually they're dressed.
- lelapin
Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still.
- Robert Schultz
Congratulations, Paul!
- Bill Sodeman
Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future.
- David Jagger
this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys!
- Jason Pollock
congratulations guys!
- Liam Daly
congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;)
- Valentina*
L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool?
- Giulia B.
Yeah yeah, you worked hard, you got the payout, well done guys. Now. Down to business....where's OUR share? ;-)
- Slappy Line
"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!"
- Simon May
Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team.
- Arleen Anderson
congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration!
- Katy Barrilleaux
We better run away!
- Constantine
Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties.
- Volkan Özçelik
the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'.
- Jessie
eew, that causes diseases
- Jim Norris
congrats Paul & evereyone !
- Thomas Mader
Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- j1m
CHA CHING!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
congrats guys - well done!!!
- Gerd Leonhard
supper!
- Ahmet Koldaguc
Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns
- frank burns
Tweeting by satellite from the mountains of Ethiopia to show you a few of the kids who want to thank you: http://twitpic.com/3445r
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Mohammad Abdurraafay, Kiran Patchigolla, Ruchira S. Datta and 8 other people liked this
[python-committers] I've got a surprise for you! - http://mail.python.org/piperma...
Henry Prêcheur, seman, Chris Lasher and 2 other people liked this
And that’s when it hit me. Buildbots are fine when everything is running smoothly, but nothing compares to actually having access to a system when you’re trying to debug something. So, I thought to myself, why not buy a couple of clunky old boxes off eBay and donate them to the PSF, such that all developers had access to them? I dropped a note to Guido and Neal, they put me in touch with Titus, who had just accepted a position at Michigan State, and, well… Ten months, seven trips to MSU, six blown fuses and about $60,000 later, I’m proud to introduce you all to Snakebite: The Open Network! A network of around 37-ish servers of all different shapes and sizes, spread over three sites, specifically geared towards the needs of open source projects like Python. Every CPython, Jython, IronPython and PyPy committer will have access to every development server on the network. I’ve also extended the offer to prominent Python projects like Django and Twist
- Peter Hoffmann
from Bookmarklet
DSP (digital signal processing) on FPGA - advantages and disadvantages | Your Electronics Open Source - http://dev.emcelettronica.com/dsp-dig...
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What it's like to work at DISQUS: interview - http://blog.snaptalent.com/...
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Y Combinator To Offer Standardized Angel Funding Legal Docs - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
Tom Stitt, Mrinal Desai, Peter Renshaw and 74 other people liked this
"Early stage venture firm Y Combinator, which has funded over a 102 young startups, has “open sourced” the legal documents that they provide to their startups to use as they seek additional funding. The documents were created with their law firm, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Love! ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Link to the documents: http://www.ycombinator.com/seriesa...
- seman
Thanks for the link. Good stuff.
- Jason Carreira
Paul Graham is doing a terrific job. FEw days ago, for thr first time, they published a document showing what kind of startup ideas they particularly look for, and now this!!! Cool.
- Hayk H.
Thanks
- Harun Baris Bulut
Anyone know why the documents were taken down so abruptly last night?
- Gerald Buckley
Speech recognition and voice synthesis in Python for Windows - http://code.activestate.com/recipes...
Eric Florenzano, Jordi Rivero, Peter Hoffmann and 2 other people liked this
I wonder what Doug Napoleone would say about this.
- Eric Florenzano
Venture Fund Economics: Gross and Net Returns - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
dave mcclure, Ashwin Bharambe, Alex Hammer and 19 other people liked this
highly useful view into the economics of a traditional vc by a not so traditional vc, always amazed at fred's openness ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Given the fantastic detail on this post, it makes you wonder what other information he is going to share. The info on how much they "need" to make for a good investment was really enlightening. I had always heard a requirement of 10x investment for a "success" so this makes it more interesting.
- Rob Diana
Fred, thank you for openly discussing this information.
- seman
I am not a VC but I believe that greater transparency in investing, while not fully "open source" as a model will (or can) be nonetheless transformative in results returned as it educates the marketplace and harnessess the "wisdom of crowds". VC efforts are scaling (e.g. Google, Intel and many others) so smaller entitites (although no $100 million entity by definition is ever small)...
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- Alex Hammer
Cuill Launches Next Week? (Marksonland) - http://www.marksonland.com/2008...
Mladen Srdić, Shafi Ahmed, Aviv and 18 other people liked this
"So what happens next week? Presumably this is a not-so-subtle reference that highly anticipated new search start-up Cuill will be launching. I saw Louis Monier from Cuill speak a few months ago and he was hammering home to the audience the fact that Cuill will have the most comprehensive index when they launch. From what I hear, their index already exceeds 100 billion pages. We've been waiting for their launch and can't wait to check out their product"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
My curiosity about Cuill grows every time I check my server logs.
- Bruce Lewis
In order to differentiate themselves from Google, I think they should open up and provide search APIs without daily rate limit.
- seman
interesting... waiting for this startup to come out for a long time. great time to be a competitive search startup for the next two years as MS/Google will buy you either for tech/people/both.
- Krishna Gade
The one should be really interesting...
- Bindu Reddy
Especially with ex-Googlers amongst them... but I only have 4 hits from their web spider, I feel unappreciated
- Justin Long
my wife wants to know why in the world we need another search index when we already have google. why should she switch?
- Justin Long
I don't know why we needed Google when we already had Altavista.
- Amit Patel
Paul - This is really interesting and will be to watch develop. I've been following Cuill for sometime and read the live blogging of Monier's presentation. For those that are new to Cuill (or haven't noticed the bot come by), some details are here http://www.cuill.com/. Take note of the current staff's background.
- Charlie Anzman
@Justin Most people were satisfied with pre-Google search engines until they saw Google.
- seman
It's true, but Google represented a significant difference not just in index comprehensiveness but also in page recommendation algorithm. In other words, google wasn't just "more" of Alta Vista or others - it was "different." It was "better." To break past that, what will Cuill have to be?
- Justin Long
Justin: I didn't think that Google provided better searches than HotBot. What won me over was the Google "cache" of pages (1) currently unavailable (2) or changed since the last crawl.
- Mitchell Tsai
Perhaps he means the next model of Tesla, that arrives in 2010. The sedan.
- Akshay Dodeja
Google's index was smaller than the competition when Google was small. But Google's quality was better. I'm keen to see how Cuill does on the quality front.
- Daniel Dulitz
I don't know anything about them, but it seems really unlikely to me that Cuill will go head-to-head with Google as a consumer search engine.
- ⓞnor
I wonder why they chose a name that most people will not have the slightest idea how to pronounce. In any case, any search engine that intends to knock Google from the throne will have to be radically better than Google -- Google's momentum and intertia are huge. Just being somewhat better won't do the trick.
- Sean McBride
I'm eager to see what Cuill quality and user experience look like. Some credible competition on those two measures would be a good thing for search. I'm just hoping that the coming competition doesn't boil down to a "my index is bigger than yours" ping pong match...
- Kevin Scott
Most people want less information and better information, not more information. We're drowning in information. New recommender algorithms that produce significantly better and more relevant search results would catch my eye.
- Sean McBride
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Cuill guys solve the problems of search at scale as well as the problem that their name is going to be too hard to spell for most people. Personally I hope they don't sell out but instead build a company that makes money and endures.
- Adewale Oshineye
My guess is that if ever Cuill launches publicly as a consumer search engine they are going to change their name... I actually think they are building a search engine which they can shop around to MSFT/YHOO or even GOOG. The fact that the YHOO acq. fell through is prob. a good thing for them.
- Bindu Reddy
Looks like search is live at http://cuil.com
- Marc Chung
Marc - my first impressions are positive. It grabbed me from the first search. I am going to play with this.
- Sean McBride
cuill what? it's a 15 seconds of fame. after that fade into memory. even bookmarking it is laborious for my finger.
- huixing
I tried it out for two searches. It seems neat, but my brain does not immediately understand how to interpret the results, especially if I wanted to know more than the splash page. Neat though.
- Clare Dibble
Interesting, I tried searching for "latex two column layout", which on Google, pulls up one of my blog posts as the fourth hit. On cuill, it didn't find anything. I also tried searching for "Robert Felty", and it did not pull up my website, but rather comments I have left in Friendfeed, some news groups, some colleagues' websites, and alumni pages from where I went to school. So far, I like Google's results better.
- Robert Felty
If it doesn't find your search results, Rob, try turning Safe Search off. Maybe your blog is considered porn because of all the "orifice" talk.
- Gabe
Y Combinator: Startup Ideas We'd Like to Fund - http://ycombinator.com/ideas...
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"So we're trying something new: we're going to list some of the ideas we've been waiting to see, but only describe them in general terms. It may be that recipes for ideas are the most useful form anyway, because imaginative people will take them in directions we didn't anticipate."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Good ideas, mostly. Of course, as always, the devil is in the details (and to some extent, I think that's the point).
- Paul Buchheit
interesting list, surprised to see photo/video sharing sites on there.
- Adam Kazwell
From pg's comment "Most people who read that one [search engine that concentrates on design] will think "huh?" But if someone reads it and thinks "Damn, how did he hear about what we're working on?" that's someone we'd really love to hear from."
- seman
"More open alternatives to Wikipedia." Wonder whatever happened to Google Knol...
- Philipp Lenssen
They should start FF rooms for each of these. I'd contribute to a few.
- Amir Gharaat
I think most of these are *great* ideas. This post isn't food for thought, it's a banquet :-)
- Karim
Seems a little like bait? Some of the ideas are excellent reading and should be interesting to a few thinking about 'what they can do better'. Some of the other mentions (and wording in particular) leads me to wonder why go public with the list.
- Charlie Anzman
Related problem: Using your inbox as a to-do list. The solution is probably to acknowledge this rather than prevent it. --- :-)
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Jesus, this single page has more original content and ideas than the last 1000 ff and blog posts I read. Inspiring.
- John Murray
AWESOME idea, thanks for sharing Paul... this is going to be fun to watch!
- Susan Beebe
Haha i posted thast too. Although Paul is most more visible on FF, of course.
- Akshay Dodeja
Very interesting, especially #4
- Scott Schnaars
did any of the y combinator startup go big ? perhaps an ignorant question... a couple of them i know of are scribd.com, and a search engine for mechanical parts.. forgot the name.
- Krishna Gade
We're working on #3.
- Ryan Kuder
search engine for mechanical parts: http://octopart.com ?
- Peter Stuifzand
Interesting: "Advertising could be made much better if it tried to please its audience, instead of treating them like victims who deserve x amount of abuse in return for whatever free site they're getting. ... What we have now is basically print and TV advertising translated to the web. " How does TV advertising treat its audience better than web advertising?
- Constantinos Michael
TV advertising is generally more entertaining than web advertising.
- Ajay Kapal
@ Peter yeah... I was talking about octopart thanks for the link.
- Krishna Gade
@ Ryan, what is it ? do you have something outside to try ?
- Krishna Gade
would have liked to see this idea for an iPhone App Builder make Paul's list....seems much for YC-esque: http://joelaz.com/post...
- Adam Kazwell
@ Ryan Kuder, I've been looking into #3 for a while, I'd love to chat if your in the bay area
- Kris
I definitely vote for better email, or better say, better communication tool.
- Jan Horna
What I'm interested in are #5, 6, and 7. :)
- imabonehead
Sorry to say... The "Y Combinator" team is a little ...ahem... short on business expertise.
- Mitchell Tsai
re 13, I wonder if the ESP-game trick can be spun out into an entire educational system.
- j1m
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I really like what 10Gen is working on: open source stack for cloud computing
- seman
FriendFeed FTW - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Did the alchemists actually believe that they could turn lead into gold, or was that just a good way to raise money to fund their labs?
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I have a similar theory about shamans. "I'm going to need to go on a spiritual journey for a couple of days..."
- Paul Buchheit
They did. Like we truly believe in web2.0
- Phil Smirnov
I think they believed the ancient alchemists could. Too bad we don't have rumors of cave men with iphones.
- Ranjit Mathoda
Before people figured out the difference between compounds and atoms, maybe some alchemists really believed they could. I don't remember any concrete discussions of this though. Maybe it was just fund-raising/politics/vaporware?
- Mitchell Tsai
Phil, that just hads me laugh. Thanks!
- Piaw Na
common theory at one time was the earth was flat and the center of the universe... I guess part of evolution includes loosing faith in what can and can't be done or true
- nick carrasco
It wasn't just lead but base metals - it was part of the theory that everything was linked and it was a question of finding the rights answers to transmute things. The other main goal was to find the elixir of life which would cure all illness and give youth. As Mitchell says, before a better understanding of how things were made it was belived that just about any substance could be altered with the correct process.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
Sure, they was believed in...
- میثم
Paul, have you read Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, particularly Quicksilver?
- DeWitt Clinton
Modern-day alchemy is alive and well (or not so well at the moment) on Wall Street. Wall Street firms have made their money by taking typically under-performing assets and slicing and dicing them in to a dizzying array of products that get rated investment-grade (AAA) meaning sellable and gold. Humans will continue to try to produce gold from lead from now until the end of the species, guaranteed.
- Morgan
DeWitt: Quicksilver made my head spin. It was an awesome book. Weird in places, but awesome nonetheless. I plan on picking up the rest of the cycle soon.
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
Interesting question. Maybe the western alchemists were pragmatic but the eastern neighbors were more interested in immortality. I hope this is correct (from memory)
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Regarding Quicksilver - the descriptions of phosphorous and its uses were worth the price of admission right there, DeWitt.
- Phil G
I find it amusing that now we really can transmute lead into gold, using a particle accelerator to knock three protons out of the lead nucleus, but the energy required to do so costs more than the resulting gold is worth. So though we can do it, it isn't very interesting.
- DGentry
I used to read Stephenson's books, but then they got too intimidatingly long. I guess I'm not a very fast reader.
- Paul Buchheit
/upvotes Phil Smirnov's comment
- Philipp Lenssen
Both. They believed that they could meet their goal eventually, if they did things right in the lab. Just like all of us. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
They wouldn't have believed in just about anything that happened over the last hundred years either. Alchemy would have seemed as plausible as a cell-phone or nanotech at the time.
- Nicholas Molnar
This wasn't really a historical question so much as a reflection on their mindset. I just wonder to what extent they actually expected to create gold vs liked tinkering in the lab (and creating gold was a good way to fund their tinkering). The same personality types probably exist across different times and cultures, so it's interesting to think about what roles they will occupy in those cultures.
- Paul Buchheit
don't know if you're going to get to the bottom of this on FF, but people believed some pretty stupid stuff back then.
- Mark Schulz
actually it's been proven that if you smash one more atom of lead into a larger chunk of lead you get gold ... so maybe there were simply ahead of their time?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
There were no doubt people who liked to tinker and just called themselves alchemists because it was the word that best described what they did, but I would have to assume that most of them thought their goals were achievable (and it is, just not with their technology). I suppose you could just as easily ask if televangelists really think they're acting on behalf of god, or if they just think it's a good way to raise money to fund their lifestyles?
- Gabe
I find organic alchemistry more interesting. bring back the dead. we can regrow old tissue?
- Noah David Simon
If you are into Alchemist and Anime, you should watch Full Metal Alchemist. That got me started on wiki-ing the history of Alchemists.
- Winston Teo
I guess there were at least both types of alchemists: those who expected to create gold and those who expected to monetize the expectations of others. I'm mostly interested in the third type.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
I have better analogy. Compare turning lead into gold with attempts to create AI
- Phil Smirnov
It seems unusual to me that the salesman personality is crossed with the tinkering personality. But maybe it is less unusual that I might think.
- Clare Dibble
@Winston - FMA FTW!
- Yuvi
Clare: salesman + tinkering = Edison?
- Gabe
Yeah, just like people whose goal is to cure cancer, help people live forever, prove P=NP or whatever, they have to like to tinker for its own sake, because actually achieving their goal is very unlikely. But the people who just like to tinker, with no goal, rarely accomplish big things because big things are too hard. So I think the wacky goal and satisfaction from the process are both required in order to make progress.
- Daniel Dulitz
Your post was surely not a serious question, but there were really many different groups of people which we have labeled "alchemists" after the fact; the quest for transmutation is a stereotype of ours and by no means a universal pursuit of alchemy. As far as I can tell, in those times and places where alchemists were funded, it was usually not for transmutation work but for more immediately useful contributions (explosives, medicines, paints, etc).
- ⓞnor
.ME Domain Name Registration, Domain Transfers. Register your .ME domain here. - https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop...
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"Open Registration 7/17/08 8.00AM PDT Domains issued on a first-come first-served basis." I somehow doubt the good ones will be available though...
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
bite.me?
- Andrew Smith
techme.me
- jon bradford
porn industry will have a field day
- jon bradford
@Paul: You can find a list of reserved and premium names here: http://www.domain.me/index...
- Mark Douglass
The ones I want are still available. :)
- EricaJoy
GoDaddy? Boo.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
amaze.me :-)
- AJ Batac
It seems every good names are already taken http://www.domain.me/index...
- seman
Something fishy is going on. I tried to buy a great .me domain name months ago and my order went through. A few weeks later I was told I couldn't have it. And now it's coming up as a reserved domain name despite it not appearing on the reserved name lists. Hmm...
- Tony Ruscoe
godaddy.asplode
- EricaJoy
TECH.ME is available. I'm sure not for long...
- AJ Batac
feed.me!
- Muthu Ramadoss
Waiting for cart.godaddy.com...
- EricaJoy
email.me
- Igor Poltavskiy
Man, it's slow. And it doesn't seem to automatically stop the domain from being available. I think there's going to be a lot of refunds...
- Tony Ruscoe
@Tony Call their customer support and they'll push them through. I just got 2 of my top 3. :)
- EricaJoy
@Erica Does that mean one of the ones you registered was already taken even though you got an online order confirmation?
- Tony Ruscoe
I just bought 3, got a receipt confirmation... but they aren't showing up on my account management list. hmm....
- Fa La La La Lindsay
@Tony Not sure. I guess we'll see eh?
- EricaJoy
Same here Lindsay. And the domains are still showing as available so I doubt I'm the only person to try and purchase them. Maybe they're just processing all orders for non-premium and non-reserved domains and then assigning them to the first person before refunding the rest...
- Tony Ruscoe
Man, $20? That's a bit steep for a domain I'd likely never use.
- Nathaniel Payne
Yeah mine are still showing as available too. Sad. :(
- EricaJoy
godaddy is getting hammered. Still managed to get 3
- Andrew Smith
If you need some inspiration - http://wordnavigator.com/ends-wi...
- Andrew Smith
And now I've received my email saying the domains I purchased were already registered. And yet it will still let them me buy them again.
- Tony Ruscoe
Argh. Just spent 5 minutes registering a blatantly squatter domain on GoDaddy. I feel so dirty.
- Steve Weis
Funny, GoDaddy claims google.me is available while domain.me politely shows whois info poiting to The Google.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
Yup. I "bought" authenticate.me, but then it was taken away from my grasps. identify.me is on the reserved list. Too bad.
- Patrick Lightbody
I just bought one and have received the order confirmation,but still not on my domain list,and when I searched for it,it's still available for registering,WTF?
- Joe Xu
Thought I had clinton.me -- went through the whole godaddy registration process successfully and everything. But an hour later I received an email saying it had already been registered by someone else on July 9.
- DeWitt Clinton
Well i definitely got asparta.me but that was just one for kicks. the real one i want went to someone else but is still "available." :(
- EricaJoy
Looks like most of the one word names are already taken by domain.me. Pretty pointless now, I must say.
- Brenda McLaren
I did get dewittclinton.me. But now I have buyer's remorse. Why the hell would I want it?
- DeWitt Clinton
I just spent 30 minutes searching and eventually registered 6 pretty cool domains, but 5 minutes later, 6 emails from GoDaddy saying the domains were already registered. Thanks for wasting my time, GoDaddy... Just goes to show that if it seems to good to be true, it probably is.
- Mark Carey
yeah, the first three I registered came back failed... I registered some more in the mean time... and a few more to replace the ones that failed... So far 11 have failed. Still waiting to hear on 2 outstanding, but my hopes aren't high.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
i just registered ivegottabe.me -- now, to get the rights to the song...
- Rob Reed
If it's been 45 minutes and no retraction email, can I safely say refute.me is mine?
- Bruce Lewis
The #1 domain I wanted shows that its taken with no underlying registry data. I should hope that GoDaddy didn't do something evil with the .me launch but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
- EricaJoy
Interesting. The domain I wanted was available yesterday. Today? It's up for auction: https://auctions.domain.me/ WTF happened here?
- EricaJoy
Hollywood coming around? Lions Gate partners with YouTube for film clips - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I managed to get the business card scene clip from american psycho in there :)
- MG Siegler
any time that scene makes it in to an article it's a winner.
- Morgan
Proposed new tag: IMG - http://1997.webhistory.org/www...
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Awesome snapshot of web history where Marc Andreessen proposes the IMG tag in 1993.
- Dan Hsiao
In 1991 the WWW looked like it would never take off. The IMG tag played a huge part in its success.
- Bruce Lewis
In 1993, the amount of HTTP traffic on NSFnet finally passed the amount of WAIS traffic, but Gopher was still king of the net.
- DGentry
Hello, world!
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hello
- Caleb Elston
ahhh geeks
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
pg? on friendfeed? subscribed!
- Benjamin Kudria
Welcome.
- Gabe
subscribed!
- Sarah Perez
Bienvenido!
- Martin Añazco
Best "Like" of the day!
- Erhan Erdogan
Greetings from (almost certainly) the other side of the planet
- Jonathan Beckett
World, hello!
- Eren Emre Kanal
Hello.
- Aaron Myers
from twhirl
Wow, ripple effect. See what happens when one person likes?
- Hao Chen
Hi Paul
- sergiooo
hi, where are your services?
- Alan Le
Hi Paul! You look familiar for some reason...
- Franklin Naval
Well hello there!!
- Matt Donders
from fftogo
Ah, yes. I think I was watching a video of him on startups early this morning.
- Franklin Naval
main() { printf("hello, world"); }
- Heidi Moon
Welcome.
- Jonathon
(prn "Hello, world!")
- Jim Norris
@Jim damnit, thats what i was going to say
- Sam Pullara
<?php echo 'hello world'; ?>
- AJ Batac
Hello PG!
- Jonathan Tang
This post is rated PG
- Gabe
Hello there!
- Paresh Jain
Welcome welcome !!
- Suryakant Patidar
welcome++ ;
- pramodp
aww <3
- Pınar Yanardağ
is it the real pg :)
- Rakesh
welcome Paul
- Sudha Jamthe
Just a "hello" ??????? : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Unbelievable : ))) Heard me? You added your feed after twenty minutes. : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Twitter to buy summize? i'm hearing a bunch of rumors...
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Hope not, summize works just fine.
- Czar
NO! Then we'll REALLY be screwed!
- Hao Chen
Gotta do something with the 15 mill?
- Brian Sullivan
This would make a lot of sense
- Mike Doeff
That would pretty good actually. I hope they can integrate it into twitter experience, and make it part of their api as well
- Shivanand Velmurugan
from twhirl
well, they have to get code that works from somewhere.
- Slobokan
Interesting.
- Clay Newton
They have to do something with that money, seems like a good idea since they could leverage it for replies.
- Scott Watermasysk
I think it is a good move for the twitter gang. a service that works well with twitter...maybe it will rub off on twitter :)
- (jeff)isageek
Would make perfect sense.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I think it would be a smart move for them.
- Alan Le
I hope not... Summize is great as it is.
- Chris Thomson
Considering the email I got from Twitter's help dept. promoted Summize, I'm not surprised.
- Erin @queenofspain
"I for one welcome our Twitter-Summize overlords."
- Joe D'Andrea
Did anyone notice that Summize recently added translation links & language filters? Summize is a VERY well done webapp if you ask me.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Buy Summize? Why don't they just integrate the Summize API into Twitter - Just Kidding - Could be a good thing!
- Eric Cedo
Twitter would break Summize!
- Andrew
One company with no revenue buys another company with no revenue and whose existence depends on the first company? Why couldn't Twitter add the main Summize feature set in a few weeks if they could get their act together?
- David Fry
valuations? I'm shorting Summize if this happens...
- ryangraves
Summize would be doomed by being bought out... At least right now, they have the option of expanding to other networks such as friend feed, and brightkite, if they really wanted to!
- Joel
They have to spend their money on something and they sure as hell aren't spending it on infrastructure at the moment.
- Adam Helweh
I was thinking about that ever since I started using Summize... it makes perfect sense...
- Manos Matsakis
constantly suggesting it, great idea
- Patphelan
Through a little more weight on the sinking boat why don't you.
- David Jacobs
Make it be true.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
They'd better buy Oracle technology for scalability!
- Eric Sausse
I hope they buy up a few of the best apps that have been developed over the last year. They need to innovate, and it's people outside of Twitter who are developing the coolest stuff. Hopefully those people can help them integrate functionality into the site and bring new ideas!
- Hillary Hartley
this is smart for twitter, but generally bad for summize -- although I don't think any of those guys are really high profile and a win like this would work in their favor if they were sick of swinging for the fences. Interesting to see how it plays out.
- Tyler Willis
Oh noez... *hears Summize breaking*
- Brandice
"Summize is over capacity".
- Daniel Rowley
We'll need to think up new animals/concepts to signify the eventual 'Fail' *I'm thinking of photoshopping up a chalkboard with an incorrect calculation*
- CannonGod
They should just buy friendfeed instead...
- Colin Brumelle
they'll buy a service that does what they claim to be able to do... smart..
- Absalon Isaac Prieto
this makes it interesting and open for someone else to potentially come in a build a summize-like search across the other networks like brightkite, plurk, friendfeed etc.
- Brandon Zeuner
Saw "Tell No One" today. Gave it an A-minus. Really good movie. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie...
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Twitter Revisited - http://mattmaroon.com/?p=399
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Bodyweight circuit training - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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a lot of the early stuff seems kinda hard on the knees.....
- Ňicķ
Good indicator that i need to work out: watching this makes me feel tired
- Dan Hsiao
Well, honestly the jumping stuff is OK in moderation, but to base a whole workout on it is kind of asking for trouble. Better to include some explosive, jump movements with more traditional squat and lunge moves. P.S. I'm a former Personal Trainer.
- Zach Landes
I prefer the throwing people training called Aikido.
- Chrimmus Tad
@Zach I was thinking the same. It is really important to vary your workout routine in order to constantly improve and avoid injury.
- Kevin D. White
I'm not in shape enough to do any of those.
- Vince DeGeorge
@Vince Never do something you are not comfotable with. For most people, this stuff is a great way to destroy their knees. I do a some of this stuff as part of my warm up but would never recommend it for someone that is not already in excellent shape.
- Kevin D. White
works if you're 12!
- kbourke
Looks like the rowing practice from hell. I like it...
- Doug Rathburn
I actually paused and un-paused this last week until I had done a set to failure of each. It was a legitimate killer.
- Christopher Sacca
knackered.
- Zee.
cool...
- edythe
Guess who's going to have knee problems later on, particularly patella tracking issues... Most of those exercises were good, but quite a few were too hard on the knees.
- Raoul Pop
So far it looks suspciously like PT... and yes, my knees are now shit
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
easy way to knees damage.
- gmarketer
I used to do stuff like this in bootcamps before a chronic knee injury came back and put an end to all of the jumping stuff I tell you, my thighs were like ROCKS. I still do prisoner squats (although my trainer called them military squats), and I do that inverted hamstring move. I do single leg squats as part of rehabilitation from the knee injury.
- cecily
the problem is to remember all that stuff before going to exercise. No way I will be able to remember it.
- Loic Le Meur
Yoga is a better option. You're moving slowly but it involves more muscle groups and requires balance. Anyway, you need some sort of stretching routine to warm up before you try this explosive movement stuff.
- Bill Koslosky
Yoga doesn't provide the same benefits of the explosive nature of these types of exercise, which are intended to be performed very late in a training cycle when you're in good-enough shape to be able to handle them without injuring yourself. They will be hard on your knees if your body isn't prepared for them, and even for someone who is, they won't have knee problems later on if they do them correctly.
- Andrew Bonventre
FriendFeed iPhone interface - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
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Using it right now on my iPod Touch. :)
- Raoul Pop
@Scoble: let me know what you think. I know you use FF a lot on your phone, and you are quite a power user, so I have a feeling you will have a strong opinion and/or notice things we left out.
- Bret Taylor
Finally, it's here!
- Philip Ryan Johnson
from twhirl
I know you guys aren't out to compete with twitter directly, but putting that post text box at the top of the interface removes my last reason for twittering.
- Robin Barooah
looks great but interested to know why you chose to remove the hide function. It would seem well suited to mobile browsing and removing the noise a little more on the small screen
- Jon Dillon
Awesome job; renders well on my phone (a Moto Q9c) too
- Benjamin Golub
Wish I had an iPhone :(
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@Jon: You're right, we should add that back in.
- Bret Taylor
renders perfect. clicking youtube videos just work as intended... Here's a quick request. Search is at the bottom and scrolling endlessly to reach is a bit boring. Can you guys insert an anchor for a quick access to page bottom? And another anchor there for teleporting back to top.
- Berk D. Demir
from twhirl
Niiiice! Thanks guys.:)
- m.0
Perfect for the sidebar of Firefox
- João Almeida
from twhirl
again, enjoy the pic :) and the interface even more!
- MG Siegler
Very nice. I'm also posting from my iPhone. FF lends itself well to mobile use.
- Chris Baskind
The anchor to jump to the bottom would be nice. Tip: On any web page you can tap the 'status bar' at the top of the screen to jump up to the top of the page.
- Kevin Fox
Bret, trying it now.
- Robert Scoble
Hhhhhhhhhoooooolllllllyyyyyyyyyyy jjjjiiiiiimmmmmmmmmyyyyyy. This is cool. 15 Likes for FF team!
- Robert Scoble
works nicely
- Jamie
I don't want to take credit for this or anything, but I just did ask about this today. I'm kidding by the way.
- Johnny Baker
This works REALLY WELL in a sidebar or Fluid App site specific browser. WAY better than the googlegadget URL we've been using. This interface in Fluid is my new favorite way to interact with FriendFeed. It's teh Awesome! Thanks! :-)
- Josh Bancroft
this is AWESOME - posting from my touch!
- Charles Hudson
Excellent. Works like a charm.
- Jonathon
A much needed improvement. This will be awesome on a 3G iPhone as well.
- Chris Rodgers
i'd still like to see the Comment/Like buttons made a little bit easier to hit. They have close proximity to the article link and using a finger isn't as accurate as a cursor.
- Jamie
Congrats. This "just works".
- Amir Gharaat
Yeah, I just started using friendfeed today and can't see how you guys/gals did without this spiffy interface. Rocks!
- blastedblog
It looks fantastic, thanks guys it's a great job. FriendFeed is now even more useful.
- fbrunel
I would love the option to run links through the Google transcoder. FFtoGo has that and it's invaluable.
- Steve Rubel
You can also use http://tiltview.com to view the iPhone version of the site from your computer or other mobile phones . You need to select iPhone as a mobile type.
- seman
Love it! As soon as I open up the MBP I'm going to fire up Fluid.app and make a menu app with the iPhone interface.
- Ryan Cates
Seesmic videos could theorically been played on an iPhone. The Seesmic API also provides a link to the video in MP4, that's would be awesome to do that in the FriendFeed iPhone interface.
- fbrunel
@semen just use http://friendfeed.com/i on your desktop browser, FluidApp, etc. No need to emulate the iPhone browser.
- Josh Bancroft
Why do the "comment" and "like" links the load after the rest of the page? I almost missed them with EDGE's slow data.
- Frankie Warren
awesome! Anyone else want a bit more space around the "comment" and "like" links? I mis-poked on my first attempt.
- Kelly Norton
So awesome, great work! I love it. I'm sure you're aware but longer (horizontally) posts, such as those with multiple photos, do funky things to the layout.
- jakebf
@Jake, et al: we will do some work for posts with a lot of media to make it work better. Thanks for the feedback.
- Bret Taylor
It looks like the UAT testing with Scoble and team worked marvelously well - nice job Bret!! :*)
- Susan Beebe
Finally! I love it, great job, guys.
- Guillermo Esteves
Bret: found one thing missing: "Hide." Where did it go?
- Robert Scoble
using it now. Perfect!
- shaun mclane
I guess I am in the minority. Thanks for letting us go back to the old version. :-)
- Michael Carter
nice. Testing comments right now!
- Ben Gracewood
I am back to the old version too. I miss Everyone tab, Search, and Hide features
- Robert Scoble
i agree with one of the comments. why a separate blog to capture comments - get them all using FF. easier to follow discussion. iphone interface looks great - i think i'm going to find myself using it a lot on my phone
- naveen
need's hide.
- Thomas Hawk
Awsome! It just needs search and it would be perfect! As far as the old interface went, it was pretty good for the iPhone as well.
- darnell
@Scoble: thanks for the feedback. They were known problems, but I think we can find the space to fit them in. Search is at the botto of every page, FYI.
- Bret Taylor
Very nice. Much prefer it to FFtogo ...
- Patrick Jordan
Very nice. However, on the iPhone it's very easy to jump to the top of the page (just tap the top bar) and very hard to get to the bottom of a long page (lots of scrolling). Can search be moved to the top?
- Stephen Mack
Very nice. Makes it much more useful on my iPhone. Like the picture option...
- simonpure
I agree with Stephen about "search". It's been quite the workout on the thumbs.
- m.0
Like the FF iPhone site, wish they would implement the same "hide" options as the full FF site.
- Joe Perrin
FriendFeed: One Feature to The Tipping Point - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
David Zhuang, Ňicķ, Anne Bouey and 15 other people liked this
"FriendFeed's implementation, however, is simple and easy to use, and robust at the same time. And overnight, my opinion of FriendFeed changed completely, largely because the function of FriendFeed changed for me. And I'm not alone, there has been a huge influx of new users, as well as increased activity from old users, just because of Rooms."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
There are aspects of FriendFeed which I believe will appeal in a different way to very different segments of users. While some of us liked the earliest implementation and saw the potential, for others, its these continued improvements which help them trust the product's future.
- Louis Gray
Agree with Louis and with the imitation from the likes of Facebook it shows that you are going in the right direction!
- Joe Dawson
from fftogo
I still don't know how to track my conversations effectively: comments here, tweets there, posts somewhere else - it's very confusing. Especially that there's no dominating commenting platform. The conversations are exactly that - fragmented - and for me they're ending at sending one comment.
- Marcin Grodzicki
Marcin: Well, at FriendFeed, you can go to the "Me" tab, which shows you all the posts you've commented on, liked, made, etc. But I agree that it's a larger difficulty.
- Brent Newhall
I think with Noiseriver plus rooms, there is some very significant power here. And I came to FriendFeed without first having gone through Twitter like most people.
- David Muir
FriendFeed Blog: Welcome Gary Burd to FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Erick Jimenez, Derek Collison, Joe Dawson and 44 other people liked this
Very cool. Congrats, Gary!
- Mark Trapp
So awesome. GBurd is wonderfully talented and just a genuinely nice guy.
- Christopher Sacca
Welcome Gary! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
sounds like a bonus for us :)
- Steven Hodson
seems like some gr8 talent is aggregating itself around FF.. is it a culture thing or just b'coz its a kewl project to be working on ? What the true EQ data points for talent attraction at FF ?
- Peter Dawson
Wish you a good career with FriendFeed. Any specific thing Gary will work on?
- seman
Welcome aboard Gary! Happy FriendFeeding! :*) Hey i LOVE your Mail2FF app! totally cool concept!
- Susan Beebe
Cool! (BTW, looks like you folks don't need to buy chairs any time soon)
- Ken Sheppardson
Very cool. Nice to see FF growing. Hi Gary...<subscribe>
- Mark Krynsky
I had a hunch this was happening.
- Benjamin Golub
Congrats, Gary! Will you move to California or is FF opening an office in Kirkland?
- Sebastian Kanthak
Awesome! Congrats? Is Scott joining you?
- Joe Beda ()
@Sebastian: I will telecommute from Kirkland.
- Gary Burd
@Joe: Scott is not joining me.
- Gary Burd
If you watch one video today this is the one to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Charles Bihis, Stephen Terlizzi, seman and 5 other people liked this
Good chuckle...
- Barbara K. Baker
Hilarious to watch.
- seman
I still love that. Had to play it for the husband.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Awesome!
- Stephen Terlizzi
The new FriendFeed office
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Nimaa, Nick Mutton, John Lam and 153 other people liked this
Sure, go ahead. Make us all jealous.
- Louis Gray
people no longer sit directly across from each other?
- Zach Landes
Nice to see pool table maintained the box logo theme from yesterday :D
- Mark Forman
Hot dog you guys are doing this the right way!
- Tsega Dinka
Room to grow...nice. Congrats on the move, and good luck over there!
- Jim Stanger
What is the square footage?
- Caleb Elston
Where's my desk? ;)
- xero
xero... Didn't you see it stacked against the far wall? It's the one right under the 63 other empty desks...
- Ross Miller
Ok, I'm jalous. Now what? :)
- directeur
way to go guys, onwards and upwards! good luck! you haven't worked at a real startup unless there is a foozball table or a pool table. looks like you are legit :)
- Ivan Stegic
a malmo chair from ikea! the very same colour as mine!
- Giovanni De Stefano
I like that office, I wish mine was that nice!!
- Paul
I want a job ;-0~
- Chris Spencer
It seems you bought more tables and chairs to hire more hackers. I like how open your office is.
- seman
We actually didn't buy any tables or chairs - they were left here by the last company. We have a table/chair graveyard in the back as a consequence :)
- Bret Taylor
It looks exactly the same as the old office...
- Jini
Niiice..
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Spacious and Neat.. I like!
- Winston Teo
hey where's the ping pong table? - i like the *blue* pool table, matches blue FF logo colors!
- Susan Beebe
Are you looking for a 44 year-old telecommuting intern by any chance?
- Noah Carter
nice
- Joshua Smith
from twhirl
you know I was kinda expecting the dilbert like cubicles....
- BCK
what, no foosball?
- Jeremy Toeman
i want air hockey! can anyone second this? Still, without walls it's gotta get pretty loud. No privacy...
- Jacob Nahin
Jim, does this one have a massage room?
- Anne Bouey
When will you be hosting "Early Adopter Weekend?" ;-)
- Noah Carter
به این میگن آفیس2!!!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
and that's office 2.0!!!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
ok Air hockey with the Robotic arm :)-
- Peter Dawson
Drool
- Benjamin Golub
Sweet, very sweet. Pool is great, but I like office table tennis better.
- Phil G
pretty nice digs, much nicer than any where I have worked
- Rajiv Doshi
blue felt. Oh man. That is so the way to go. Nice!
- felix
Very nice! :)
- TommaSorchiotti
from twhirl
pretty nice...
- Sarath
The red chair is still my favorite, but it looks like I have more seats to try out.
- Amit Patel
On first thought - great Place! I like the open air about it... but on second thought I don't think I can work in such an open space. I just need my personal space.
- Parth Awasthi
Open enough, I like it ;)
- Chris Qie
Good Luck in the new space!
- Charlie Anzman
no way! cool.
- john conroy
Where's the beer fridge?
- Joe Dawson
Well done. Drywall is so passe'.
- MLx
Looks like a University College Student Union Building....
- David W
It's only the start for this great company!!
- Alex Hammer
Looks like your short a few balls.
- Steve C
What monitors do you guys use?
- Bartek Ciszkowski
sweet, but I'd put those pool cues in a cue holder or they will bend stored leaning against a wall...causing bad shots. also sunlight on pool table will cause fading, but you probably will just get a new table eventually w/ all the success! :)
- Pokai
sacrilege to say I think it looks pretty ugly?
- Adam
Where is Yodo?
- Sudha Jamthe
happy to see that the twitter financing has closed, we've got a small blurb up on our blog http://unionsquareventures.com/ congrats twitter
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I think Twitter is in great position to start a contextual and geolocation advertising from the SMS and from the phone number being used
- seman
Am I Bored With “Web 2.0”? - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
Sumit Chachra, Rich Bragg, Mike Fruchter and 32 other people liked this
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- Fred Wilson
Fred: A great post. Here's one way we at The Star-Ledger are trying to use these tools to address some of Umair's points: http://www.nj.com/helpinghands. Basically, it's a platform for blogs by non-profits and volunteer organizations across New Jersey. A partnership with the United Way allows groups and volunteers to find each other through a searchable database of events, interests and opportunities.
- John Hassell
Revolutionary products often start out looking like toys, such as the PC. Of course that does not imply that all toys are revolutionary, but it's important to remember that the impact is not always obvious beforehand.
- Paul Buchheit
Incidentally, the line at the Shake Shack was awesomely short right after the rain storm ended ;-)
- j1m
I've noticed that 'likes' happen first and comments follow. I would speculate that the formula goes something like this: If a user finds an interesting item, they're more likely to 'like' it if it has few or no 'likes' yet. If there's an existing conversation, a user is more likely to add to the conversation. People are less likely to leave the first comment ('star the conversation') on...
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- Kevin Fox
Kevin, as a general rule, I comment when I know what to say or quote after reading a peice and I like when I don't.
- Clare Dibble
In a world where our media consumption is evermore occurring on an individual level (feed readers, Kindles, iPods vs the family radio and TV) humans still crave shared experiences. The same forces leaving me confident that the live music business will remain healthy for years help me understand the emotional value of endorsement of a FF post. Even if we discount a "like" to zero, I think it still serves as a sign of vitality and gives this service a pulse. Often it's just nice to know others are listening.
- Christopher Sacca
good post Fred. I personally have completely given up on "Web 2.0" as a term - it's just the Internet now (with Ajax, RSS, rounded corners, and "social" stuff). but I do think "Internet Ennui" is a recurring cycle, and considering the run we've had recently, we're probably closing in on another wave of it...
- Jeremy Toeman
Not everything has to be about social change. Sometimes, we just want a place to hang out and relax.
- Morton Fox
@Kevin - One thing I like about the friendfeed bookmarklet (and also feeds from delicious), is that you can include a comment right off the bat, which I think is more likely to spark a conversation. I think that having that first comment there might also entice people to read the link. @the article - I think this depends a little on how you define web 2.0. Is it the technology aspect (ajax, json, etc.) which allows websites to be more interactive, or is it the social aspect, or some combination.
- Robert Felty
john, i'm glad to hear it - good stuff. morton, the point is that more value can be created by solving bigger problems than just entertainment (in fact, hanging out can be part of the solution). fred, that was (really) a killer, eloquent post.
- umair
'Block User' is live -- use it wisely
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Diana Valerini, Mitchell Tsai, Timo Paloheimo and 79 other people liked this
good advise!
- Susan Beebe
big advise! indeed :)
- directeur
Hey Paul questions: if I block a user I stay subscribed to him? It means it is a polite way of unsubscribing to someone? Why not just unsubscribe? Thanks
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Isn't that too close to "Unsubscribe"?
- João Almeida
You get a warning message after you click Block
- Bwana ☠
Unsubscribe to a user this will still make that user's contributions visible if he/she's a friend of a friend. blocking him will make him disapear like a shadow in the night
- directeur
Loic, it's a two way block. You can't see them, and they can't see you. Posts or comments. It's much more powerful than Unsubscribe. It's mainly for abusive users and trolls.
- Bwana ☠
ah I understand from the message the user won't get anything I post so it does not let him subscribe to you anymore, what does the user get as a message then?
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
So far, I've used it twice. I don't think I'll need it anymore. I can quit anytime I want. :)
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
Paul ! Humanum "Documentus" Est! :) Please explain us the feature
- directeur
what does block do ? is it just UI Based or does it also filter the RSS feed (4 blocked user) plus the email alert for that user too ? plus I echo Loic's question !!
- Peter Dawson
Not sure Loic. The exact message from the warning is: "After blocking this user, you won't see any of their posts or comments on FriendFeed, and they won't see anything you post. If they're subscribed to you, that subscription will be removed."
- Bwana ☠
It's a much less polite way of unsubscribing, Loic. It's closer to a restraining order :). The idea is to create mutual disengagement -- enable people who don't get along to stay separated. For example, if there is someone who posts rude comments on your feed, you may want to block them.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: But, say, if he still insults you on your posts (when he's blocked) others will his comments?
- directeur
Blocked users can't see (or comment on) your posts, directeur.
- Paul Buchheit
I wonder - when someone will make a "who'se blocked me on ff" application. : ) Is it possible technically?
- Erhan Erdogan
Paul, thanks, but I was wondering if they have that possibility through an other app using the api for eg.
- directeur
What I really want is just the ability to say that I "Didn't Like" something. Don't want to block people, just let FF know better about what I don't like.
- David Recordon
Reputation and feedback features on FF would be great, but block is a start.
- Bill Sodeman
Block is cool, but I agree, if FF could learn what I like and what I don't -- even better!
- Eric Hamilton
Please @TweetJeebus: no reputation features. They all suck.
- Chris Baskind
I tried to thank Tudor for this but he said I should thank you, Paul. So thanks!
- EricaJoy
thanks Paul, I see, it is like "divorce" :)
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
BullShit you Blocking out Knowledge! Go Back to your Cave if you do not want feedback!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But comments don't happen on posts exclusively, it will also be on tweets, and diggs and stumbles and shared items - blocking someone out really isn't a sensible filter
- Andy Beard
Andy is very correct! Blocking someone will just infuriate them against you!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
wow "56 other people liked this"
- Tyler Gillies
Used it twice so far; I hope I don't need to use it more.
- Benjamin Golub
Now only removing contacts in Linkedin is missing.
- Amit Morson
thanks - just used it, and feel I like it ;)
- A.T.
It seems to me the two-way nature of this feature makes the "A-listers" (and anyone else for that matter) that much more powerful - they can essentially decide who gets to participate in insightful discussions taking place in response to items they shared (but not necessarily created, such as a blog post written by them). Many great discussions tend to develop around shared items of the...
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- Aviv
@aviv - Does FF have A-listers in the usual sense? I mean, I look at my feed, then look at the "everyone" tab and there is zero overlap. If there were dominant A-listers I'd expect them to fill the "everyone" feed. Instead FF seems to be creating a graph consisting of disconnected cliques. Which is a good thing, in my opinion, but I'd love to see the data to back my hypothesis up.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - I think it does to some extent. Look at your Best Of for the day and tell me what you think :)
- Aviv
@aviv -- What do you mean? My Best Of right now contains ... let me check .. Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit, Kevin Fox, Mike Arrington, Jeremy Zawodny, Matt Cutts. Oh wait. : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - that's exactly my point. Say you love discussing anything-FriendFeed, but Bret and Paul seem to think you're being too sarcastic in your comments around FF. They don't think you're abusing the service, of course, but they prefer not seeing your stuff for a while, and so they block you. Does that mean you should be left out of FriendFeed discussions that develop around their...
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- Aviv
@aviv - Bret and Paul probably will start ignoring me -- my S/N ratio is very low. : ) But they wouldn't block me, they'd hide me. Block is more drastic -- it could have been called "report abuse". Which might have been a better name to avoid confusion about when and where it should be used. Re comment stream aggregation across similar urls: I can only imagine this hasn't been exposed yet because of the UI challenge, not because of technology or philosophy.
- DeWitt Clinton
Wouldnt it be good if Block link is available on small popup as well that shows up on hovering person's name?
- Jigar Mehta
DeWitt - still I'm sure less FF-savvy users will take the consequences of the blocking feature more lightly. Going back to my original concern - does this leave too much power in the hands of the "A-listers" (or subscriptionally-gifted individuals ;)? I'm not trying to criticize any of them or their intentions obviously, just trying to see if this is a concern FF considered when the...
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- Aviv
Jigar - not necessarily. I would imagine FF expects each user to carefully consider the consequences of a Block, and so it would make sense to force you to first see a user's actual feed before making a decision. This could prevent blocking that's based on emotions raised by a single recent comment you stumbled upon. I think. :)
- Aviv
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