"Facebook's purchase of FriendFeed, an obscure social-media platform, is potentially momentous. To understand why, we must understand FriendFeed, a start-up that is ubiquitous among techies and unknown to everybody else. It's a sleek application that acts as a clearinghouse for all of your social-media activities."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Next Article>> "Internets Show Promise as Communication Medium"
- thegeniusfiles
Michael, it took so long because friendfeed didn't want to be bought. i'm sure it was a tough decision, but they did eventually decided to sell and let's hope it was all for the better
- Chris Heath
facebook and friendfeed together are a game changer. I'm surprised more people don't seem to understand why
- Helen M Overland
LOL no kidding, FF is really only FB's rival on the world wide net, 50ms Twitter was only going for bout 70 with a huge user base discrepancy, both negotiators, those on each side knew it for about 2 years, I've been told. Remember Louis G, it's all about the river duh...Know who contributed to that article?
- sofarsoShawn
Who do you think contributed to the article, Shawn? I didn't see any quotes. It was more of a summary.
- Louis Gray
because twitter has more users and use more resources?
- Stalyn☂
Stayly: wrong. Absolutely wrong. Twitter crashed all the time before I even had 1,000 friends.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I think Twitter's model may not be scalable enough....it was fine when the geeks are on it. . .but after the "Oprah" effect everyone from celebrities to the the Tom,Dick and Harry generation....Twitter cannot take it. Correct me if I am wrong, but FF -may- go down that path, but we have yet to see the same number of people jumping on FF like Twitter. Maybe the founders of FF should have an interview with Oprah?
- Wei-Yen Tan
from IM
Twitter hasn't gotten any new features in almost three years, either while FriendFeed has gotten tons.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
At this point it doesnt matter why FF will never be what it was. the only thing certain is its end.
- Stalyn☂
hannahnicklin: that isn't why I joined Twitter. I liked having a blog that was like IM.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I can't see us here having a conversation about FF by next august. FB don't have time to invest on FF the domain.
- Stalyn☂
Prediction: Twitter will be the next Friendster/Altavista/AOL.
- Gary
It might depend if the Fail Whale is still in the water at the time of it's moment of glory.
- PJ Edwards
Stayln I disagree. Lots of things are "dead" but still are popular. Hotmail. Delicious. Flickr. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I guess, after all plurk still around. somehow.
- Stalyn☂
So long as they use the Facebook social graph., I'm not sure that they would care. They could use FriendFeed as a premium brand under a larger Facebook umbrella.
- Gary
It's all trending. MySpace, AOL, and Friendster are dead, but at least the first two have more users than FriendFeed and maybe even Twitter.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
When Louis Gray did a panel with Bret Taylor, he talked about how when they were at Google how obsessed they were with page load times. It's built into their DNA.
- Stephen Pickering
Twitter was not built to scale. Their infrastructure is not redundant and is not catching up with their growth. FriendFeed has also had the benefit of fewer users, and a smart, experienced team that knows how to build for growth.
- Louis Gray
Maybe Twitter jumped the shark when the celebrities competed for 1M followers. #failshark
- Dennis Jernberg
Devon: totally wrong. Twitter fail whales when it had a lot fewer people on it than FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Twitter cant manage itself and with out a quick investment soon they will not be able to pay the hosting ,the site is working like shit and they do not care,maybe a deal with Google is done and they just dont publish that
- Johni Fisher
A metaphysical question deals with the underlying nature of reality; neither Twitter nor Friendfeed can have a claim to that.
- barce
from iPhone
Because twitter has been able to capture people's imagination. Friendfeed has/had a much better team/technology/feature set, but one ingredient seem to have been missing. I am not sure why they gave up so early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
So who's going to come up with an actual "fail shark" pic/graphic?
- George Hall (Australia)
I see there's tons of new people here on friendfeed participating. How do I know that? Because there are tons of white icons in comments. That means I am not following you yet. Just a month ago all I saw were blue icons. That's cool and welcome to all the newbies!
Robert, Bing is something entirely different altogether ;-) Welcome to all the new faces!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Curt has got it on! I stick by my complaint that that it's not actual discussion, just comments. Discussion would entail threads, + better management when discussions get too overwhelming at 50 comments.
- Malcolm Bastien
Thanks for the welcome Robert. I've only been using FF for about a week and I love it. I find myself participating more, even just replying to tweets.
- Alex Hellstrom
@malcolm how can you make that assertion with such limited participation here? i disagree with your comment...it is the "actual discussion". i think we may have successfully redefined the terminology.
- Carlos Ayala
anna: actually I'm not. Most people don't participate. I only subscribe to those who participate. And even of those I only follow a small number. For instance, I only follow those who speak English. There are tons on friendfeed who don't speak English.
- Robert Scoble
First day on FriendFeed, glad to connect Robert.
- Gabe Taviano
Yeah I haven't been here in a while. Everything has changed. It isn't as small as it used to be (I was here right after it started).
- Jake (aka Jawee)
I'm a newbie to Friendfeed as a result of the interview with Don Tapscott. Thanks!
- Brian Ostrovsky
Jake I'm with you. I left Friend feed for a very long time because there was nothing here. The times they have been a changing.
- Brent - Long Live Rock
I'm still trying to figure out how to really make use of this other than just lurking.
- John Meagher
There is a video that Johhny Worthington made which might answer that question mark, on participating, if I can find it, John.
- Brent - Long Live Rock
Yeah, but there's got to be more to it than *just* lurking
- John Meagher
Twitter's for lurking and blasting links, FF is for conversation and community engagement.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I totally agree Mark....I do lurk on Twitter with an occasional tweet, but love the "conversations" on FF, and find that I have been participating more and more lately.
- Bonnie Foster
Sometimes it takes a while to catch on. Friendfeed is much more interactive than the others. If yo have interesting friends they post interesting stuff. No filtering necessary. The spammers do not get followed.
- Alan Morris
I am not really a FF newbie. I started with a private feed, shared with some friends some times ago. Then, Brome convinced me to turn my account into public. I then started to comment in english... And here I am!
- DAL
I was asking to myself why there are blue and white icons on comments.. I have tons of whites though.
- Jacque
I never knew any blue comment, maybe I should follow more people and start commenting
- Hendra Saputra
from Nambu
I've been checking it out more because of people like you that have been pushing it's merits. I think I finally "get" the conversational aspect of it. Took me a while!
- Bill Kinney
twit, twit, twit, what more can I say
- Cace Ackerson
Robert, perhaps it's also related to Friendfeed being picked up in Feedburner count?
- Brian Wallace
FriendFeed rocks the house and i am totally happy with it!! Have to say: I luv it :)
- Ronald
FriendFeed does rock, but it is very much a geeks tool. My wife has gotten into twitter but no luck with friendfeed
- Chris Patterson
Yeah, I'm been a lurker on here on FF for the past age and am only getting "in to" it in the last while... Have to turn a lot more of those whites to blue :)
- Paul OFlaherty
Otherwise, I think that nowadays, the question of identity pales with the question of data portability, and especially the real-time exchange between networks. Singular identity is just a tiny, tiny bit of it all. And given Facebook's "legacy" with privacy settings (and privacy demands from users), I don't think they can truly open up any time. Twitter and FriendFeed, while neither one of them are accepting openid, can open up "all the way" in the future. They can go where Facebook can't.
- Meryn Stol
Marshall, Great article, and I like that you argued a point made on another tech blog. I can't remember the last time I saw that done (well).
- Brandon Mendelson
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
VEry very sweet.. Can't wait till I see it on my acct... well I can see it but it seems to be a bit buggy. If you go to "Settings -> Account Settings -> Linked Accounts" you can hook up your open id provider. So far I haven't gotten it to work with either my claimid one or my chi.mp one. I only tried the chi.mp one becuase my primary (claimid) wasn't being recognized by facebook. If someone gets this to work please let me know!
- Bill Rawlinson
I'll be more impressed when Facebook becomes an outy versus an inny. Good move though. I score it a "meh +"
- tomturnbull
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
has anyone actually logged in facebook using openid? there's no such form on the site :( you can only link your account, but not use it for login
- arty
Meryn and arty, I noticed the same thing. I was able to link my openid account, but what's the point if I can't login with it? nor is there the ability to register using openid. did they just make the announcement w/o rolling out functionality?
- chrisofspades
Good article. Here's the direct link to the threadless store for twitter (http://twitter.threadless.com/). Save you some time looking for it.
- AJ Batac
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- Qbat
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I used twhirl all the time till I started using TweetDeck a week ago but now I'm back on twhirl
- Dennis R.
from twhirl
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
I'm shopping around for a second monitor just for twhirl.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
tweetdeck seems good, haven't invested enough time reallly to know, but initial impressions were good. Twhirl has good features, but UI is terrible.
- Sam
from twhirl
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use Thwirl 'cause they support Identi.ca, and I can use Identi.ca to post on twitter too. Otherwise i think TweetDeck is a better client for Twitter.
- Norbert Evenich
from twhirl
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
TweetDeck + real-time FriendFeed in a small browser window: best way to waste time on teh net.
- bnoise
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius Quadflieg
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
I would love to have all in real time browser windows. Think about FF meets socialthing - having friends not only from FF but also importing them from each service you have an account on.
- bnoise
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- Carolyn
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
Twhirl, because A) I don't have the money/extra hardware to donate to using tweetdeck full screen, and it annoys me to horizontally scroll and B) because I find the group function useless. I don't want to see every last tweet I just want trends, so groups just add more columns to watch. Only thing I liked about tweetdeck was twitscoop, great for watching for events.
- BCK
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Twhirl is much improved! Tweetdeck is too big and I don't like it.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Robert - interesting post but it doesn't sound like a war to me. Aren't both clients offering solutions to different problems?
- Iain Dodsworth
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee
Just stumbled upon this post and want to add, that I found a way to sync TweetDeck groups betweed different machines using Dropbox and junctions. Just put the Appdata Directory of TweetDeck into Dropbox as a junction and on the other machine make a junction from the Dropbox directory into the Appdata directory. Quite geeky I know but that's how I keep different apps' settings in sync and it works well :)
- Dennis R.