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Matt Mansfield
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Dave Winer
"I predict a return to blogging as people discover the power of being able to finish a thought"
I really like this statement - but will people return to blogging as we've known it? - Tony
Are you perhaps over estimating the allure of thinking? - Todd Hoff
Micro-blogging is good for idealets and infotainment, but it really is turning the web into a mindless medium like TV. Of course, there will always be the equivalent of PBS trying valiantly to raise the bar somewhat. Blogs will always have the possibility of transmitting real knowledge. - Paul W. Homer
The interesting thing for me is I think we have lost the definition of what a blog is. Everybody jumped up and down about what Steve Rubel did, but really I see his change as a shift of platform. If he posted that same content on wordpress, nobody would have said a word. Just because he did it on posterous and called it a lifestream, people took issue with it. So, what is our definition then? - Robert
Dave - I read through the link you sent, thanks for the information. So, in what ways do you think posterous goes against this definition? - Robert from email
I think Steve still has a weblog, he's just submitting posts to it in a "different" way. Like Dave's link says a weblog is "... a hierarchy of text, images, media objects and data, arranged chronologically, that can be viewed in an HTML browser." Pretty much sums it up, I think. Steve's post is going to generate attention, and debate, but in the end it's a weblog. - Rob Fahrni
Robert, I know you're asking Dave a question, but I don't think the Posterious way goes against the definition. If I'm not mistaken Radio could post via e-mail, and I know Blogger supports this feature. Maybe I need to dig into Posterious a bit more but isn't that what it does? - Rob Fahrni
Rob - That is my point. This in my mind is one of the major problems with looking for a "new name" for these social products. We see it as something different because it is called something different. Posterous, from what I can see so far, allows for the writer to interact with their "weblog" in a different way, just as you said... - Robert from email
Huh? - Dave Winer
Dave - I think your "huh?" was towards me... We call Posterous a "life stream", I say it is a blog, that we have given a different name to. That is what I am saying.Rob - I agree with you 100%, and that is my point exactly. I keep reading these post about blogging being dead, or blogging being alive... but those that say they are not "blogging" are still "blogging" Maybe I am not making sense, but I hope I am... - Robert from email
Robert - Precisely! I think Posterious is trying to find a why to differentiate their product, so they've coined a new phrase. It's still a weblog, how the data arrives may be different, but it's just a weblog all the same. When I read Steve's story last night, from his new site, I thought I was going to find a link on it to something "new and innovative", then I realized I was AT the actualy site, his "life stream." - Rob Fahrni
Rob - YES... That is what I am saying... Same with Tumblr in my view, it is a weblog... Blogging is not dead at all in my view... - Robert from email
Robert - Right on! - Rob Fahrni
Blogology is a still too young science, and definitio usually comes when plays are over. What I feel sad for is the lack of opportunity future literature and social behaviour experts will suffer not using post's content ( and graphics ) as sources for studying today's world zeitgeist. Borges prophecy is at work, few understands - too many doesn't even know what they're writing about: a... more... - valerio fiandra from iPhone
Robert, the photo sharing site you've used recently is structurally a blog too. It differs from normal blog software mainly in that the chronology is by date of occurrence, not date of posting. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo
It's funny that this sentence and a few lines from Anthony Trollope's autobiography should have crossed paths in my consciousness on the same day, since it's almost the same idea, thrown back two temporal orders of magnitude. Trollope tells of a correspondent, a vicar, who had enjoyed his clerical novels but was upset by Lady Glencors'a contemplation of adultery in the Pallisers series.... more... - Amyloo
Bruce - Very true! I'm glad that you are not working hard to call it something different. I'm loving it so far, even though I have not had a lot of time to put a bunch of pics up... - Robert from email
This is silly. Blogging isn't defined by the tool, it's defined by who's doing it. Read the piece I pointed to. I don't mean click on the link and hit the Back buttton, click the link and READ. - Dave Winer
Agreed, Dave. Heck, we blogged back in the day via FTP uploads; that's what moved you towards developing "Edit This Page", in fact (IIRC). - Ken Kennedy
Dave - I did read through it, and I agree that a blog is NOT defined by a tool, I think that is what we have been saying. I do not see where we are at odds on our viewpoints, please expound. - Robert from email
This subject keeps coming back - blogging will never die. - Jesse Stay
Before Web 1.0 we listened, conversed, collaborated and then we wrote. Writing was the synthesis of all the thinking that occurred in the first steps. In the new medium, the thinking process is the streams, both personal and community. Blogging is the synthesis of this new kind of community thought process. - Joolio
Dave - haha! - that is awesome :D - Susan Beebe
I think a large percentage of bloggers were really microbloggers, they just didn't have the correct apps to do that. The people that actually have something to say will keep blogging and those that just like to say something small or share something interesting will continue microblogging, or lifestreaming, or whatever variant you want to name it. Blogging is akin to publishing articles... more... - xero
This was known since the times of IRC: you can only have idle chatter or quick focused questions at that speed. - Michele Costabile
Michele, if that premise is true, then kids only absorb important life-long lessons from their parent(s) when they're sat down for a full length lecture. No? :) - Micah
The best food for thought always come in easily digestible chunks, however, sometimes you need to digest some larger/harder stuff to give you the ability to digest that chunk. - xero
Xero - That is an interesting thought... - Robert from email
Agreed, well said, Xero. - Micah
I thought completing a thought was the beauty of FriendFeed. - Alan Eggleston
Just FYI, when I started Scripting News in 1997, it was entirely "microblogging" -- look in the archive. - Dave Winer
This isn't a fight. I love all this stuff. I was just saying what I think. - Dave Winer
Question: Of those of you out there who use posterous, do you use it as a replacement of your blog, a mirror of your blog or something different? - Curt Mercadante
One of the things I like about blogging is the ability to not finish a thought, not to try so hard to say all I have to say or say come to any definite conclusion in a single post. The unfinished thought is what encourages conversation. Let someone else add to your thought. Let others challenge your incomplete premise. I don't know everything, why pretend I do? My thoughts are never finished. - Jack&Cleo
Just because you can finish a thought, doesn't mean people will read it. - Will Higgins™
Tell me about it. That happened earlier in this very thread. But at least you ca read it yourself. - Dave Winer
Just as your diary became your journal and then your log, your log has become your stream. The web has become your life..... AND SO IT WAS, that in the year naught-nine, the web-log was renamed to life-stream, dissected, and it's pieces scattered about the hundreds of "cloud" services, from which it could fall as raindrops of thought, pinging here and there in an attempt to spread ideas to where they were needed the most. - Joel Bennett
Here's a picture, even easier than 140 chars. - Dave Winer
Love the idea! - Sampad Swain
Where's yours? - Dave Winer
Me too. :-) - Dave Winer
What do you mean, I have always been able to finish a ... ooh a nice shiny object... - Marcel de Jong
Isn't it ironic that this post contained a clear and concise thesis, in under 140 characters? - Mike Chelen
Good point Mike... - Mark Harai
There's NOTHING wrong with brevity. There is a time and a place for discussion and lengthy discourse. - Will Higgins™
Matthew DeVries: that covers definitions 1 and 2, yet the 3rd is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result," where in this case the expected result was to explain how new platforms prevent thoughts from being finished, and the actual result was to the contrary :D - Mike Chelen
aren't we all copying from the same online dictionary? - Mike Chelen
wow, you got it perfectly word-for-word, remind me to pick you for my crossword puzzle team :) - Mike Chelen
Leo Laporte
Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. Discuss here...
how did he die ? - John Hillestad
legal herion ? - John Hillestad
I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx - David Lloyd
Oh, just found this chat... thanks - Tina Chase Gillmor
wow - Karoli
kevin's link into breaks - Karoli
my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army - Andrew Johnson
wow - David Lloyd
wow... - Chris Heath
I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo. - Mike Lewis
this will be news [edit: and it was & and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up ] - Chris Heath
no drama leo - Chris Heath
by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased - David Lloyd
Techcrunch SUCKS! - Jason Hansen
I'm so happy! - Jason Hansen
wow - just wow - Devin Baines
shortest gillmor gang ever - Karoli
lol that was classic - Chris Saad
Wow, social media drama! - imabonehead
/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap - Omar Egan
Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first. - Dave
Leo blew his top! - John Hillestad
It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky! - Jason Hansen
man i only just caught the end - what happened? - h1ro
I missed it too - Simon Wicks
about time - Jim Posner
arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre - Karoli
Props Leo - Nick Rae
Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON - David Lloyd
Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it. - Jason Hansen
Leo for President - Matthew
what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront - h1ro
wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns. - Kiran Patchigolla
Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time. - Mike Lewis
Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network - Steven (optionshiftk)
The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased - David Lloyd
wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo - Andrew Johnson
Arrington's an asshole - Devin Baines
What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo - David Schmidt
@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction - Chris Saad
relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here - decjr
Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech - Matthew
Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling. - Leo Laporte
michael arrington Leo always discloses that info - Andrew Johnson
got funky hold music on calliflower - Kevin Marks
Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful! - Mike Lewis
You have nothing to apologize for Leo - Matthew
Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right - David Lloyd
You did the right thing Leo! - Omar Egan
as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional.... - John Hillestad
@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure - h1ro
Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect - Harvey Birdman
nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL - Karoli
No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries - Erle Stride
Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow. - Colin
did i miss something? - Kevin Marks
I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk. - Jason Hansen
yes Kevin - Matthew
the audio should go viral soon - Jim Posner
Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion. - Karoli
Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious? - Jason Hansen
Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time. - Omar Egan
well, that was interesting. - Chris Pugh
Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho - Devin Baines
you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life - David Lloyd
Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'. - Karoli
You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one. - Mike
Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way. - Colin
@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction - Chris Saad
thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off.... - John Hillestad
michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding - Chris Heath
apologies if i overeacted xxx - David Lloyd
Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off. - Aron Michalski
It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing. - Omar Egan
Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest. - Kim Landwehr
I'll be uploading the audio here: - Jack
as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host - h1ro
yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish? - Matthew
kim they were talking about how it was a review model... - Chris Heath
Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff? - Aron Michalski
Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish. - Jason Hansen
@jason who said that? - h1ro
I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities. - Joel Asaro
Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased. - Paulius G
If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue - Harvey Birdman
Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show. - Karoli
cliff - please call me if you can - Tina Chase Gillmor
the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values! - h1ro
I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo! - John Blanton
tina - which #? d msg me. - Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for the TC post :) - Chris Saad
im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong - David Lloyd
Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays) - Chris Heath
Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges. - Thusenth
I'll miss Mike Arrington =( - Colin
just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile. - Karoli
Karoli - i was shocked too! - Chris Heath
yes, it was brewing for months - David Lloyd
Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p - LPH™ and his dog P™
I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo - Chris Pugh
Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man. - Kim Landwehr
Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long? - Jason Hansen
What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT? - Aron Michalski
Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube? - Mike Hellers
I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways. - Omar Egan
years no doubt :p - David Lloyd
I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted. - Jason Hansen
I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho - David Lloyd
Go Leo! :-) - Moobie
Is Tina Gillmor still in here? - Jason Hansen
Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL - Karoli
Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly. - invariant
Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door. - Jim Posner
very true, invariant - Eric Florenzano
good point invariant - Chris Heath
hey Tina - sorry this happened - Hilary Talbot
Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :) - Mike Lewis
Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident - Steven (optionshiftk)
The Mike: Arrington will never change. - Jason Hansen
Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo. - Colin
I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too. - Karoli
love you tina, you are a top chick xxx - David Lloyd
Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore. - Mike Lewis
Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week... - Karoli
thanks @Mike Bracco - detorn
I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang! - Wo
Karoli - let's get together when you do - Tina Chase Gillmor
Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction. - invariant
I'm very shocked... for the record - Tina Chase Gillmor
In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home." - Paul E. Ester
crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show - Will Fifer
What happened? - J. Gilbert - Joe Gilbert
I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week. - Wo
Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff. - Colin
yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move - h1ro
Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh - Chris Saad
re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist - David Lloyd
If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged. - Steven (optionshiftk)
He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it - Chris Saad
it was not staged, the anger was real - David Lloyd
Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that. - Wo
I thought Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)
If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;) - Colin
So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week? - Dave
I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker - Chris Pugh
I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT. - Wo
GG is not dead, it will be back - David Lloyd
just not on twit - David Lloyd
well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off - russellcoleman
@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move - h1ro
Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)
Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired. - Robert Scoble
yes russelcoleman haha - David Lloyd
got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle - detorn
Leo took his ball and is going home. - Wo
arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before - Moose
you missed a classic Scoble - David Lloyd
lol - detorn
it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo - David Lloyd
Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here! - Paulius G
@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here - Chris Saad
@scoble action replay - h1ro
This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned. - David Peralta
russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL - Karoli
Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Dan is censoring the irc chat room... - John Hillestad
I was looking forward to the Pre discussion. - Wo
Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday. - Troy
Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert - Tina Chase Gillmor
hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time - David Lloyd
I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo - Chris Lindhartsen
think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded - David Lloyd
was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home - Moose
Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit - Tina Chase Gillmor
HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on! - invariant
Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3? - Karoli
Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington. - Wo
I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert - Joe Gilbert
Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change. - Aron Michalski
Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it. - Chris Lindhartsen
not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx - David Lloyd
"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times - jccalhoun
they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good - Mike
Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened? - tollie williams
Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday - Tina Chase Gillmor
Dan is a tool - David Lloyd
Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun. - Karoli
its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan.... - John Hillestad
There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool. - Colin
There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident. - Steven (optionshiftk)
that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy - Moose
I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry - Mike
you can't censor something if you aren't the government - jccalhoun
FF just gained a lot of points. - Colin
I am behind you leo - Theodore Grabow
Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's rant > Christian Bale's - Chris
twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last - jccalhoun
if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire - Mike
jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL - Karoli
yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words - David Lloyd
Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here. - Colin
Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say... - Amyloo
Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now. - Bwana ☠
there is/was an adult irc channel - Moose
And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate. - Colin
mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there. - jccalhoun
hey Amy - Hilary Talbot
Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show - Stephen Pickering
facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods - David Lloyd
Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun - Bwana ☠
hey hil, did you catch that? - Amyloo
My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime. - Robert Hafer
yes, it was all over in minutes... - Hilary Talbot
Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time .... - Michael Holzinger
yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed! - David Lloyd
Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense? - LPH™ and his dog P™
I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo - John Hillestad
I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away. - Paul E. Ester
Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does). - tollie williams
i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods... - jccalhoun
Dan runs a tight ship - russellcoleman
When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly. - Colin
Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege - Bwana ☠
I would assume Leo will delete this conversation - Steven (optionshiftk)
oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right. - Karoli
Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something. - Robert Scoble
the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak! - zefyr
If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it. - Holger Eilhard
Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs - Stephen Pickering
Robert - you certainly did - Devin Baines
I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?" - Thusenth
OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing - Tina Chase Gillmor
Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week. - Wo
Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open. - Colin
cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed ' - John Hillestad
LOL @ Scobles understatement - Moose
google indexes this stuff fast anyway - Karoli
Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements - Tina Chase Gillmor
resume as in today.. somewhere else? - Moose
good old steve, another one of the good guys - David Lloyd
today Tina? - Wo
any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"... - Aron Michalski
thanks for the update @tina - h1ro
Will Steve try and stream it over ustream? - Steven (optionshiftk)
not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC - Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: - invariant
@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it. - Antoniu
TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though. - Jason Hansen
I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he... more... - Leo Laporte
Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. - Karoli
Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening... - Aron Michalski
This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again. - David Ford
And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...? - Holger Eilhard
good statement Leo - David Lloyd
I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo! - Patrick Hall
Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes? - Michael Kaiser
Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit. - Simon Tracey
WTG Leo - Moose
he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :( - David Lloyd
Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing. - Jason Hansen
Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate - David Lloyd
It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT - Bwana ☠
Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? hasn't been updated since April. - Thusenth
@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT. - David Ford
You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible. - Colin
Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC - David Lloyd
doesnt mention leo tho - David Lloyd
lmao Bwana - Moose
@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea - h1ro
What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT - Karoli
I would never kick you off Bwana! - Leo Laporte
Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington. - Jason Hansen
GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun. - Libertine
Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty. - Leo Laporte
Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area. - Mike
Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw
Leo :) - Bwana ☠
I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive... - Aron Michalski
Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything. - Chuck
Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live. - Steven (optionshiftk)
"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol - Erle Stride
Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out. - Adam Windisch
Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show. - Jerry Schuman
wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys - BryanSchuetz
MP3 of the whole show: - Jack
The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it - David Lloyd
I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread. - Mike Saraf
Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote. - Karoli
@mark link for arringtons post on tc? - h1ro
I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example). - Patrick Sullivan
Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat. - Bwana ☠
Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled. - Chris Pugh
Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident. - Colin
I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best - Moose
@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though. - Antoniu
Bwana Who's Erie? - Erle Stride
it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached - David Lloyd
Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke - Tina Chase Gillmor
With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan. - Karoli
Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses - Bwana ☠
i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds - David Lloyd
:) - Bwana ☠
Leo is going on techmeme? - David Lloyd
I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal - zefyr
Bwana I know just breaking balls - Erle Stride
I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship. - tollie williams
I deserved it :) - Bwana ☠
irc has a gossip filter? - Moose
Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'. - Karoli
Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang. - Paul E. Ester
So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it - BryanSchuetz
IRC is back for anyone interested - Mike
Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through. - Bwana ☠
Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week? - Dave
So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW - Erle Stride
FF > IRC - David Lloyd
Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P - Mike Lewis
until they add custom formatting here? Lo - David Lloyd
Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo. - John Brazel
you got that one right Professor. - John Blanton from twhirl
Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible. - Zee.
Full show here, it was good at the beginning: - Jack
RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)" - David Lloyd
Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional. - Paulius G
Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT. - Nir Ben Yona
If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real - Chris Pugh
well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance - David Lloyd
Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through! - Robert Scoble
Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family... more... - Leo Laporte
Well said Leo! - Harvey Birdman
I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet - David Lloyd
Leo has 30 year history of integrity - David Lloyd
@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise - Chris Saad
Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too. - Robert Scoble
He was just getting the disclosures out of the way - Chris Saad
Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish. - Karoli
Leo you are beyond reproach. - BryanSchuetz
right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion - h1ro
Chris, there was more than that to it - Karoli
We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result - Devin Baines
Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit. - Leo Laporte
Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington. - David Ford
What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?" - Colin
No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way - Chris Saad
You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike - David Peralta
re colin, flame baiting? - David Lloyd
Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed - TunisianGuy
It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab. - Karoli
can you call tina please Leo xx - David Lloyd
@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content - h1ro
Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear - Bwana ☠
@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't" - Chris Saad
I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess. - Robert Scoble
Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment? - Colin
Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second! - Jack
Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG. - Michael Ritter
Leo got Pwned lol. - Matt Ruiz
friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr. - Karoli
RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo - Harvey Birdman
Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week. - Professor Messer
Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you. - Lise
We love you Leo! - Moobie
that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win - BryanSchuetz
Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose. - Robert Scoble
Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died. - Karoli
@Robert choose life :) - Chris Saad
Well said, Robert. - David Ford
Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own - David Lloyd
Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later - Moose
Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time. - Robert Scoble
@Mark yes I do - Chris Saad
:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says... - Thomas McGivern
Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions. - Karoli
@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :) - Chris Saad
Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics .... - Jason Beck
Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-) - Robert Scoble
Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A) - earl wallace
Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :( - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
@Robert lol true I guess - Chris Saad
Agreed, this is life. - Colin
@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation! - Adnan
Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr - David Lloyd
Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways. - Aron Michalski
In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware! - Mike Lewis
Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though. - Robert Scoble
Its not late to bring some peace back - Johni Fisher
You don't bully leo though scoble - Jack
...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture. - Karoli
I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world..... - Stanley Suan
Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :) - Chris Saad
Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too. - Robert Scoble
You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes - David Lloyd
It's on the reddits now - - James
"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book - jccalhoun
Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation.. - Kim Landwehr
was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri? - Steve Ford
Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli. - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed
No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte! - John Brazel
Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :) - Chris Saad
Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday. - Robert Scoble
Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us - Tina Chase Gillmor
whats arringtons take on all this? - Dano Hart
he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog - David Lloyd
Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings? - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed
I like cheese. - Benjamin Grelle
Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything? - Harvey Birdman
I like John Cheese - David Lloyd
@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before. - Hilary Talbot
that was @karoli, sorry - Hilary Talbot
Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm - TunisianGuy
Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry - Stephen Pickering
Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk - Moobie
@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley - Chris Saad
Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too. - Robert Scoble
There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly. - Leo Laporte
Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is... - Aron Michalski
I agree with Harvey, no one cares - David Peralta
@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo. - Harvey Birdman
Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike... more... - Grady Joslin
has gillmore commented - Steve Ford
I think most of us would agree leo - Jack
@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir. - David Ford
I agree with you Leo - Theodore Grabow
Updated the bootleg feed: - Jack
Agreed Leo - Moobie
Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes! - Stephen Pickering
Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network - russellcoleman
Waffles are also delicious. - Benjamin Grelle
Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh - Robert Scoble
i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe - Dano Hart
arrington posts on techcrunch - jccalhoun
Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed. - Robert Scoble
Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments - David Lloyd
He respects Leo I think - David Lloyd
Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting. - Nir Ben Yona
@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious - Dano Hart
anyway to get the latest post at the top? - detorn
obama is too busy going on ' date night ' - John Hillestad
Good post from Mike. - invariant
Good post form Mike. with an apology - David Lloyd
Mike apologizes to Leo - David Peralta
if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology - David Lloyd
Respect exists. - David Lloyd
Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo - Austin Garrod
yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms - David Lloyd
Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away. - Karoli
if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing? - jccalhoun
well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think? - David Lloyd
Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry. - Kim Landwehr
In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here - Bwana ☠
the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it... - detorn
finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff - Christopher Harris
whats that tech site which has the gutter news? - David Lloyd
I now have a headache - Bwana ☠
James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be - David Lloyd
To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think. - Simon Tracey
Weakest. Apology. Ever. - Eric Florenzano
Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider. - Leo Laporte
Leo-don't, he's not worth it. - Harvey Birdman
"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is - detorn
Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception - Kyle
@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe - Dano Hart
Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running... - John Hillestad
Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up. - Lise
I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give. - Kim Landwehr
Make peace not war Leo. - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you. - David Lloyd
Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host. - Dave
Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution? - Jason Beck
You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future - Johni Fisher
Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;) - David Ford
Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future. - Robert Kenney
Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided. - Adam Turetzky
Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe? - Randy Green
Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre - Bwana ☠
Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo. - Michael Kaiser
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity. - Benjamin Grelle
I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo. - John Brazel
It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone. - Chris Lindhartsen
It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it. - Moobie
No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness. - Libertine
Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves. - Richard Coppen
I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap. - Grady Joslin
just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it - Austin Garrod
Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work. - Robert Lee
Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs. - saf
keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good - Christopher Harris
I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is. - detorn
Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to... more... - Robert Scoble
What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour? - Kyle
I left that comment over on TechCrunch. - Robert Scoble
You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them? - Karoli
I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time. - Heiti Kruusmaa
Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show - Amyloo
wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit? - Austin Garrod
Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre. - Steve Ford
I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now? - Randy Green
Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff... more... - Robert Scoble
I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: - David Schmidt
Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately. - Karoli
in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias. - Tobias Lewsadder
I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C - Andrew Johnson
Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else. - Rob Blatt
Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings! - Chris
I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content. - Wo
@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about - BryanSchuetz
Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network. - Robert Scoble
I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn' - kenneth glenn
The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology! - Colin
Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT. - Joel Asaro
Colin: we are passionate, aren't we? - Robert Scoble
@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: - David Schmidt
Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way. - Colin
Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it? - Robert Scoble
@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic? - BryanSchuetz
it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think. - Karoli
If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board. - Chris Pugh
I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding. - Colin
I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum. - Wo
Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me. - Robert Scoble
Wo - and that's a first? :) - Bwana ☠
@Chris P - what would that solve? - Lise
so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted? - Steve Ford
You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to. - Colin
Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days - Andrew Johnson
Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch. - BryanSchuetz
Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available. - Chris Pugh
i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo - Andrew Villafane
Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead. - Robert Scoble
wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)... - Heiti Kruusmaa
I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down. - Kim Landwehr
If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else. - Colin
We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV - TunisianGuy
Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the who knows? - Karoli
Colin: the show will continue. - Robert Scoble
leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation. - Tobias Lewsadder
I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week. - Aron Michalski
Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side. - Owen Greaves
hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it - Andrew Villafane
Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services. - Karoli
I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace. - Leo Laporte
Nice, move along people ;) - David Lloyd
Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another. - Joel Asaro
Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough. - Robert Scoble
Nice to see that it all worked out so well. - Antoniu
Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang! - Robert Scoble
Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin' - Karoli
arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time - Tobias Lewsadder
Lasse: welcome to the real time web! - Robert Scoble
Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed. - Libertine
Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week? - Wo
GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment. - Alberto Saavedra
real time web wins again - David Lloyd
leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!! - Tobias Lewsadder
Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics - Darryl Adams
I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast. - Stanley Suan
so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore??? - Andrew Villafane
Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him? - Robert Scoble
The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones - Chris Pugh
the real time real world isnt either Chris :p - David Lloyd
It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are. - Colin
Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago. - Karoli
Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :) - Wookie
However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo! - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal - Stephen Pickering
Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before. - David Jones
I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype. - Jason Beck
Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - - Karoli
Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off? - Stephen Pickering
Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed. - Paulius G
Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip - David Lloyd
I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here. - Jesse Stay
Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem. - Karoli
Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time. - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so. - Jesse Stay
Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself. - Justin Flood @justinflood
Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad??? - Darren Rowley
Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue. - Michael Ritter
I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre. - Jason Pope
I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas. - Darrel Davis
love ya leo. - Mark Outten
It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently. - Steve Ford
I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead. - Brian Cagle
Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity - Art
I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's - Jesse Stay
Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :) - Ryan
This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now. - Leo Laporte
YAY! - David Lloyd
Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve - Darryl Adams
Leo you're a good man - Jesse Stay
Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he? - David Lloyd
_serious_ realtime shit - Amyloo
Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-) - Darryl Adams
gotta love live real time. - Steve Ford
Yes! :) - Adnan
<3 real time xx wish my friends got it - David Lloyd
Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha! - Michael Kaiser
Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here) - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events. - Jason Beck
I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee. - Brian Cagle
Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :) - Adnan
we want david winer - David Lloyd
why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid? - Bwana ☠
Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya - O W
Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now? - Colin
scoble you going to be ontine for round two? - Steve Ford
Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems. - Allen Blair
The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: - BryanSchuetz
Lol :/ - Colin
If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously. - Colin
Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius. - Robert Scoble
This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it! - Chris
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-) - Jeff Weber
chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh... - Steve Ford
I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did. - Michael Kaiser
I thought Al Gore invented it? - John Brazel
There goes the Bulleit Bourbon? - TunisianGuy
@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL - Adam Turetzky
don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho - TunisianGuy
I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay! - Ryan Massie
The show must go on - Amyloo
Back live woooo! - Moobie - TunisianGuy
yayyyyy - TunisianGuy
Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool. - John Brazel
Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-) - Moobie
LOL. This is better than TV - Bwana ☠
we need a minute please - Tina Chase Gillmor
I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :) - Bwana ☠
Bwana - Lol! :-) - Moobie
I upped the first part here: and will do the same with this part - Jack
Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules) - Tim Hughes
I blame the Pre Leo... - Bwana ☠
Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it. - Kevin Hart
keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor - Thomas McGivern
I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC. - Ryan Massie
Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be) - Scott Edwards
Now the show will be tame :) - Bwana ☠
lol - Chris
LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show - Bwana ☠
You are a class act Leo! - invariant
Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no. - Joel R
LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video. - Mike Bracco
Yes, mike's audio is fine. - Cliff Gerrish
leo, you are great. - Oldengrey (Jay)
Well done both Leo and Mike - Kim Landwehr
Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East. - Karoli
Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up. - Marco Ho
Tina, recording part ii - Cliff Gerrish
What Calacanis incident? - Chris
Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay
I like Arrington's style. - Colin
thanksCliff - Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone. - Karoli
Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did. - Paul
Tina, the first part is here if you need it - Jack
karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting - Amyloo
keyboard cat is back up!! - Thomas McGivern
This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay
No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights. - Colin
The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer. - Jesse Stay
Steve is angry :( - David Lloyd
can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina. - Karoli
Thanks Karoli ... tough few days - Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobey! Welcome to the show! - Colin
Yay, we have ourselves a show - Robert
Jack, are you recording? - Robert
I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions. - Jesse Stay
moving right along... - Brad Kligerman
yep, this part will be up at later - Jack
So what's happening in tech? - Colin
This week in therapy - Thomas McGivern
Leo vs Steve is coming up next... - Chris
Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you - Robert
As a journalist you have to ask tough questions - Jesse Stay
This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one. - Brad Kligerman
I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus - Jack
Steve has a good wife. - Colin
I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed! - Lise
Leo's in his "battle stance" - Colin
Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm? - Brad Kligerman
Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang! - Chris
Chris, networks have interdependencies - Karoli
We shall see. - Antoniu
Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress! - Aaron T. Harvey
Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it. - Andrew Johnson
I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though - Andrew Johnson
Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard? - Karoli
For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve. - Brad Kligerman
of course i'm not saying that Karoli - Andrew Johnson
I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's? - Stephen Pickering
Excellent point Brad - Robert
My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too - Karoli
I do agree with Brad. - Karoli
I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too - Andrew Johnson
Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug - Stephen Pickering
I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else. - saf
Steve needs to stop reading this chat - Robert
i think it is irc that he is speaking of - Andrew Johnson
Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online. - Verbal
Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously - earl wallace
Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that. - Lise
Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often. - Joel Asaro
Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses. - Karoli
FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this. - Jesse Stay
We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together. - Colin
Leo, the drama is the show. - Karoli
i'm confused... leo added drama too - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
This is not going to end well...... - David Peralta
If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory - Karoli
This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine. - Matthew
Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile - Karoli
Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent - Gary Gannon
I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli - Brad Kligerman
Ohhhh.... - Amyloo
Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this? - Jesse Stay
I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer... - Robert
the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is. - Karoli
Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT - Ryan Merket
Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls - Karoli
Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve. - Lise
'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement. - Brad Kligerman
Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana. - Colin
I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
We need Steve to hook all these people up! - Colin
talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think - Karoli
We don't want to see you dead, Mike - Stephen Pickering
There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights. - Joel R
We're not crazy!! *twitches* - Robert
the content and the passion are indivisible - Hilary Talbot
I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this. - Lise
SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream - Karoli
I <3 you all guys - Jesse Stay
@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread - Antoniu
Sounds like they have patched things up. - Mike Doeff
Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear. - Jan Zimak
@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though - Jesse Stay
Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering
Underwear 12 y/os? wtf? - Ryan Merket
What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh - Lise
I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening - Stephen Pickering
OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol - Andrew Johnson
This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is - Robert
Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is? - Stephen Pickering
i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now - Dano Hart
Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat - Jesse Stay
That IRC chat is a disaster - Mike Doeff
Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders. - Aaron T. Harvey
I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet. - Lise
Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here - Stephen Pickering
No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show. - Brad Kligerman
Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here - Jack
Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously - earl wallace
Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else - Karoli
Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen. - Jesse Stay
You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now. - Colin
you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show. - Karoli
can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already - TunisianGuy
Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've... more... - Jason Miller
gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like. - Adnan
why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II? - Karoli
Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo. - Jim Posner
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities. - Colin
I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great - Gary Gannon
Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like - Jesse Stay
why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate - Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way. - Jesse Stay
Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK - Karoli
Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington - Stephen Pickering
The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT - Jack
Gillmor's talking but no one can hear. - Sprague D
Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit. - Libertine
Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD? - coldbrew
Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended. - tollie williams
Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed" - Ryan Merket
I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: - BryanSchuetz
All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one. - Jesse Stay
good point ryan merket - Dano Hart
I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech. - Paulius G
Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button - Ryan Merket
@tollie very good insight - earl wallace
Stay: Agreed. - coldbrew
Audiences long for access to this show. - Colin
@Ryan that's not the case at all - Harvey Birdman
So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :) - tollie williams
Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form - Jack
There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming. - Mike Doeff
+1 Colin - Brad Kligerman
You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"] - coldbrew
Hug it out guys. - Mike Doeff
Jack, agreed. - Karoli
I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are - John Hillestad
"With all due respect". Got it. - Sprague D
The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones. - Ryan Merket
Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience. - Jesse Stay
I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course. - Lise
Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok. - Bwana ☠
I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network - Robert
Without a community there's no one to consume your content. - Aaron T. Harvey
"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing - Dano Hart
Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do" - Karoli
Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way? - Sprague D
It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners - David Peralta
I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic! - Thomas Hawk
"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected. - Lise
Steve please do this on a closed call - earl wallace
Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it - Robert
"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content' - Brad Kligerman
@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone. - Gary Gannon
Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway. - bobrudge
Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen - coldbrew
I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose. - Bwana ☠
Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled. - Jim Posner
This show is going no where now - Jesse Stay
It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'. - Verbal
This has been brewing for a while - Mike Doeff
i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content - Dano Hart
Anella: Yes ;) - coldbrew
The problem is Leo can turn off the show - Jack
The show can go on with Leo - Bwana ☠
The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important - Karoli
dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe - Dano Hart
Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is! - Chris
Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The show can go on without Leo - Bwana ☠
Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions! - coldbrew
Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down - Lise
Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo? - Jesse Stay
I am Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not? - Chris
Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't - Bwana ☠
Chris, because he believes the content is important. - Karoli
Steve works for Mike, BTW. - Oldengrey (Jay)
Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light. - earl wallace
No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time. - Robert
Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less. - coldbrew
Bwana, I'm confused! - Jesse Stay
If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm - Lise
We Collegiates are Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance. - bobrudge
Leo was liberal with those F bombs : ) - Mike Doeff
collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor - Brad Kligerman
LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha - Lise
Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show? - Jesse Stay
You can't take it with you has never been more true. - Aron Michalski
Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw
oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright! - Dano Hart
@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution. - Ryan Merket
Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit. - coldbrew
stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here. - Brad Kligerman
Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future. - Chris Heath
Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG) - Karoli
coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network. - Jesse Stay
I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show. - Mike Doeff
932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on - daveccorey
Karoli, because it's on Leo's network - Lise
It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-) - Joel R
LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it" - Jesse Stay
Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0 - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!" - Jesse Stay
I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it. - Lise
Who in here has this recorded? - Jesse Stay
I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that. - Mike Doeff
Whoo! GO JACK! - Robert
No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web - Jesse Stay
Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio. - Paulius G
Welcome to the interwebs Steve - Gary Gannon
Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool. - Joel R
I knew it would be a tame show after that - Bwana ☠
LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove - Lise
That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon. - Antoniu
I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington. - Jesse Stay
I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech! - Lise
i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe - Dano Hart
This is TWID! - Joel R
is the bar open yet? - Andrew Johnson
TWiD - nice! - Aaron T. Harvey
After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today - David Peralta
@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil. - Jan Zimak
Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today - Stephen Pickering
And 3 hours later we get the Pre review - Jack
Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow - Bwana ☠
that would drive me nuts - Bwana ☠
Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold? - Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick - Mike Doeff
Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone. - Paulius G
Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?! - Charlie Anzman
Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash. - Aron Michalski
Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week - Karoli
Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :) - Bwana ☠
I like that app dock - Mike Doeff
I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone. - Antoniu
321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery - Bwana ☠
Is anyone going to post the make-up video? - Jim Posner
that phone does look pretty slick - Dano Hart
looks sluggish - Robert
anyone want some koolaid? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it - Bwana ☠
It's sluggish all around - Bwana ☠
I love great notification systems, and Palm has one - Bwana ☠
Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :) - Bwana ☠
Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen - Cory Roush
Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps - Aaron T. Harvey
flawless ustream for me today - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
That charger is ingenius - Jesse Stay
Nintendo kills me with that - Bwana ☠
Jeff Cannata on TWiT?! - Chris
It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me - Bwana ☠
Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have - Bwana ☠
For the die hard Palm'ers - Bwana ☠
Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does... - Aaron T. Harvey
Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-( - Jack
That'll come - Bwana ☠
People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string - Bwana ☠
do a quick test - Bwana ☠
Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :) - Bwana ☠
It's a good time to be a Phone lover - Bwana ☠
It is "good competition" to the iPhone - Jesse Stay
Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition - Bwana ☠
Poor Motorola - Bwana ☠
monday it will be 3rd - Byron McCollum
O_O dead pixel blues - Bwana ☠
Storm 2 will be out in a few the competition - Bwana ☠
his thumb covers 4 keys - Bwana ☠
Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA - Jesse Stay
i could never use that analog keyboard - Byron McCollum
Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today. - Jason Miller
I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard. - Aaron T. Harvey
That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :) - Bwana ☠
For me the apology will long out-live the video. - Colin
LOL Bwana - Lise
Nooooo - Bwana ☠
Dont do it Leo - Andrew Johnson
We could post your apology - Aaron T. Harvey
Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity. - Colin
I wouldn't :) :) - Bwana ☠
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D - Bwana ☠
do just the tribute and cut after that - Andrew Johnson
Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it. - Lise
Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies! - Colin
we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike. - Lise
We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us! - Aaron T. Harvey
Go eat some meat Leo - Bwana ☠
You deserve a few choice cuts - Bwana ☠
See you in the morning, Leo. - Lise
Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :) - Bwana ☠
Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P - Andrew Johnson
now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow - Andrew Johnson
this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality. - Joe Magennis
Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!! - Andy
Haha, this is drama for geeks. - Manuel Mas
Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes...... - John Spencer
I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing? - jccalhoun
I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today. - Allen Blair
Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario - chad cicconi
listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist. - jccalhoun
Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions. - Charlie Anzman
Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that? - jccalhoun
Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man. - Rock
Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities. - Dominic
I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network. - MarK
They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people. - jccalhoun
If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech? - David J. Garcia from twhirl
Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too. - Alberto Saavedra
Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway - Andy
i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews. - Dave Martin
dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run - Chris Heath
Can I download the show somewhere? - Wo
dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole - Chris Heath
Downloads available here: - Jack
i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience... more... - Chris Heath
as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings - John Blanton from twhirl
Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps? - Matt Hall
Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-) - jccalhoun
jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;) - Matt Hall
If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears... more... - Jonathan Langdale
Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: - Matt Hall
Most entertaining GG moment ever! - Douglas
I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit. - Amac
Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people... - Hamish MacEwan
Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0 - Erle Stride
Thank you Nicholas - Erle Stride
Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support! - John -
I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room. - Matt Matthews
it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup.... more... - Tobias Lewsadder
Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more. - jccalhoun
As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument. - Dave Wallace
Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct. - Phil Essing
Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place. - Phil Essing
I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio - Erle Stride
This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo! - Jim Graham
Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront. - Ken Sheppardson
Not just dead air, I guess. Hm. - Ken Sheppardson
We love you Leo! - Imran Idris
Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama. - Jamie
Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an... more... - Karoli
+1 Karoli - Brad Kligerman
arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude? - Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too. - Karoli
1164 comments. woah - Tyler Gillies
Tyler - I know right. This thread has two winners: 1. Palm 2. FriendFeed - Bwana ☠ from IM
a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night. - Tina Chase Gillmor
I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol. - Jamie
just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random." - Andy
@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs. - Brad Kligerman
WOW!!! Leo said a bad word. - Joe Demartino
...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content. - Brad Kligerman
That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized. - Kevykev
The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did. - MIQAL
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work! - Anant Gairola
Had a feeling it would be busy here................. - Kevin J Hatton
Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see. - Jim Posner
karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did... more... - Tobias Lewsadder
This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see - Richard Walker
Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or... more... - Karoli
wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one - Bob
keyboard cat #2 on I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it. - Thomas McGivern
Loren Feldman's video response is good. - Stephen M. Otto
The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on - Ken Sheppardson
Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment? - Michael Metz
Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free. - Stephen M. Otto
Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean. - Rustic Thoughts
Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin" - Rustic Thoughts
I love the intro music.... - Rustic Thoughts
hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok - daveccorey
I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self. - Hamilton Wallace
Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump? - Hamilton Wallace
Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!! - Jim Corkrum
We can haz FF entry for TWiT? - Ken Sheppardson
thanks to Denise we will in a second ken - Chris Heath
I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit. - MarK
I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom. - Karoli
Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole. - Samuel Cohen
is that my denise!!? - jeneane sessum
(still watching) - jeneane sessum
Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy. - Ken Sheppardson
In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: - Jack
I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG. - Sam Ellis
Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it. - Adam Deem
I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole. - Richard Walker
Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): - Linton Davies
ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind - Richard Thomson
My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take... more... - Dale Dietrich
Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful... more... - Jason Miller
Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second. - Karoli
Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.". - Marisa Duma
Thomas Hawk
Does anyone know how I get my Flickr photos to auto post in my Facebook feed? I tried installing the myflickr app but it doesn't seem to be posting them.
it's been so long since i set it up....but there is a trick to it....sorry, wish i could remember what i did.... - Live4Emma (L4S)
Arty's correct, with flickr, they have the same type of import service function as friend feed for your wall. - sofarsoShawn
hmmm.. ok, so I checked the settings and I do have import stories from flickr checked. But at least on my wall I don't see flickr showing up. - Thomas Hawk
ok, I figured it out. You can actually do it under the "extending flickr" tab on your flickr account settings. it's done on Flickr not facebook. You have to select there to share your photos on facebook. It seems to be working for me now. - Thomas Hawk
If you want to post your flickr photos to your facebook account you can set that setting up here: - Thomas Hawk
I think it's a two-step process. Setting up the Flickr import on Facebook should prompt you to authorize on the Flickr side as well. Must've gotten disconnected somehow. - Kevin Kuphal
I think Hawk figured it out, yeah a two-step process, where you also have to validate your imports at the flickr site and entering the name of your flickr account on facebook. - sofarsoShawn
I tried a flickR app for a while, too, but now, since I pump everything through FriendFeed, I am just letting the FriendFeed connector do it all. - Anthony Citrano
Two things about the new facebook feed that suck. 1. You can hide a user but not a post. You should be able to do both (like friendfeed). 2. When new comments are made on a post it does not bump it (again like friendfeed). This makes it much less conversational and harder to track and follow conversations that you participate in. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas, seems like I had to set them up as an RSS feed. - Karoli
Thomas - I had the same question re: Flickr to FB. - Russellreno
NO & it's pissing me off to an extent unheard of - sofarsoShawn
mine seem to be working now that I authorized it on my "extending Flickr" page. People seem to be commenting on the photos. - Thomas Hawk
Yes, it's a two-step process I learned trying to set up my husband's. I didn't have to do that on mine. I just imported straight from Flickr. Also learned that instead of his user name, I had to use that weird Flicker number ID. - Anika
Oh, now it's working with the #'id, the FB shizz heads don't clarify and just say "user account name or email" - sofarsoShawn
If your pictures still don't show up, you can click on the "Settings" button below the tabs on your profile page. That brings up "imported stories" and you can manually refresh. - Rebecca Lasley
That post helped me resolve the issue: Go to and see the link to Link Your Accounts for facebook. Copy this link's address that it directs you to, and paste it somewhere (like notepad) so you can get stuff from it. Get the last string that is in that url that is after "&import_uid=" , and use that instead of your username in facebook's space to put your username. - Bertrand Doux
Jay Rosen
Still getting a kick out of @davidgregory booking Erin Burnett of CNBC for his roundtable this week, as an expert! Kinda says it all, no?
The whole idea of an "anchor" is that the person is not a specialist, not a reporter in the field. The nature of their authority is the connection with an audience and a brand. Erin Burnett is an anchor on CNBC. She's not supposed to be knowledgeable about the economy but good at what Gregory does: orchestrating conversations and segue-ing to the next segment. It makes no sense. Except as network promotion. - Jay Rosen
This always drove me crazy - why are journalists interviewing journalists? They do it all the time. Why not find someone with RL expertise instead? - Bora Zivkovic
Kol Tregaskes
What are you essential WordPress plugins?
For example, what pluings to do you use for Flickr, caching, SEO/meta tags, Google Analytics/Sitemaps, Twitter and FriendFeed? - Kol Tregaskes
I'm not a big Flickr user, but for some of the others - All In One SEO, Super Cache, Ultimate Google Analytics, Google XML Sitemaps, Akismet for spam of course, WPTouch for iPhone friendly theme, Tweet This, Subscribe Remind (reminder to RSS subscribe for new visitors), Subscribe to Comments - Patrick Jordan
Patrick, I have most of those listed, yes very important. - Kol Tregaskes
Here's what I use: Disqus, All In One SEO, Clicky Web Analytics, FeedBurner FeedSmith, Google Analytics for WordPress, Google XML Sitemaps, MediaRSS, Redirection, WP-Cache, FriendFeed Comments - Michael Hocter
Sean, some new ones there for me, sill check them out. Thanks, Michael. - Kol Tregaskes
Disqus/Intense Debate (different blogs), Zemanta, FriendFeed Comments, FlickrRSS, Feedburner, SEO All-In-One, Most Tweeted Commented, Most Recently Tweeted. Not sure about the names of the Twitter plugins. - Shevonne
Oh yeah Akismet - Shevonne
Sociable, Disqus, MediaRSS (for posting to FF!), the rest are built in now. Akismet (comes with) is necessary. - anna sauce
I'm glad it comes with Akismet now, makes sense. - Kol Tregaskes
Amber, FF comments for me too... once I get it working. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Amber, never got it working. I was actually very quite on FF this weekend as I worked on my sites for most of it. Posted a few things here and there not much. Ah well, I'll stick to FF until I can get that working. - Kol Tregaskes
i think BudyPress is one of the most innovative plugins . possibly the future of the 'fluid social web' - Alensa
Akismet. Too much spam otherwise. What else do I use? The Stats plugin is useful. Google sitemaps generator. Reply-to-comments so that emails go out when there are replies to a comment someone subscribed to. I'd like to use the FriendFeed plugin, but my posts don't get discussed on FriendFeed (more on Twitter, which isn't really great for discussion) - Colin Charles from twhirl
I'll try to only include ones I didn't see above...Add to Any, flickrRSS, Ozh' Who Sees Ads, WP Post Ratings, WP-Simple Viewer, pageMash, Social Homes - Justin Korn
Zong is also a great plugin if you are into monetizing premium content - Alensa
AVH Amazon, cforms II, flickrRSS, Math Comment Spam Protection, Netflix-X2, Picasa Photos, Publish To Facebook, Search Everything, Sticky Menu, TwitterCounter, Twitter for Wordpress, WP-EMail, WP-Print - Patty Bradley
I use All in one SEO pack, Google XML Sitemaps, Sociable, Tweetroll, No Ping Wait, among others included. - Carlos Lorenzo
Akismet, All in One SEO Pack, Google XML Sitemaps, FriendFeed Comments, Dagon Design Sitemap Generator, and a few others - Tamar Weinberg
Add to Any Share/Save/Bookmark Button - Pat
Pat, I saw that while browsing yesterday. I'm currently using ShareThis which I think covers similar services. - Kol Tregaskes
I would have to agree Akismet sits up there pretty high. - Sean
Doug Kaye
Michael Phelps may be arrested for smoking from a bong while Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld go unprosecuted for war crimes? We're screwed.
Ryan Block
Something I really want from Google Reader: the ability to search against not just the feeds in my OPML, but every RSS feed it crawls.
Ryan Block
Okay, the language is a little blue (read: completely NSFW), but this Onion piece on Sony is f'n high-larious:
absolutely hilarious and describes pretty much every electronics purchase - Richard Lawler
Robert Scoble
Shootout between Flip Minio HD and Kodak Zi6 HD camcorders. HD video and discussion here:
Do you ever sleep? (By the way) the Kodak looks crisper in Reg view from my paltry screen. - tony
The Kodak has the better microphone. I like the Flip video a tiny bit better. - Robert Scoble
It's a hard call. I actually bought a Panasonic TZ5 so I could get image stabalization and 10x optical zoom. However, its built in mic is worse than those two. I'm trying now to get a Co-Op internship position at Kodak in Rochester, NY to work in the usability department with the team that worked on the Zi6. Robert, have any connections? :) - Ian Mikutel
The Flip is far more "pocketable." - Robert Scoble
I've got the Flip HD and love it - haven't tried a Kodak so can't compare. But I love how portable the Flip is, the touch sensitive buttons. Clarity is great, sound excellent. Some noise in low light or washed out colors in low light - to be expected, IMO, at this price range. - Michelle MacPhearson
The Kodak takes regular AA batteries, and lets you close focus. Also, the Kodak does 60 frames a second HD and lets you shoot old-style video and HD video (old style makes movies that take less space on your hard drive and are easier to upload). - Robert Scoble
Panasonic TZ5 video (HD): - Ian Mikutel
hmm..looks like the Kodak video the whites are washed out. - Randy Ksar from twhirl
the quality looks alright. im looking for a camera as well. i'd like a viewfinder though, little old fashioned i know, but sun glare is a pest. - Terry O'Fee
The Kodak taking batteries is a big minus for me. Batteries are so 1998. :-) - Michelle MacPhearson
robert - same link for both :P - Terry O'Fee
Terry: they go to separate videos. I just tested them again. - Robert Scoble
Looked like the Kodak was a bit crisper on this. I use the non-HD Flip Mino. - Jesse P. Luna
they do now. sorry. when you first posted it was to the same. - Terry O'Fee
Michelle: if you are ever at a concert and your batteries die you'll appreciate being able to shove more AA's into it. The Kodak came with rechargeable AA batteries. The Flip has batteries locked inside its case that you must recharge. - Robert Scoble
The Panasonic TZ5 is a rechargeable lithium ion battery. Best of both worlds. - Ian Mikutel
Are there any digital video cameras that take good stills, or digital cameras that take good video? With one of those and an iPhone I'd be set. - Paul Povolni
rob - what would you suggest for a more traditional HD camera, not pocket. talking about holidays so a bit of hd room, some zoom functions, and decent battery life? - Terry O'Fee
@scoble, then again as a geek you should have recharged everything just before going out ;-). I did have the n95 batteries almost die on me a few times whilst streaming events from the phone. - Richard A.
the n95 is decent if you're looking for something simple and nasty. 5mp camera and video isnt that bad, the storage space, the strange nokia software and lack of zoom are its only letdowns (i didn't buy it for the camera. its a bonus, though.) - Terry O'Fee
@Paul - Yes, the Panasonic TZ5 I reference above is a great all-around digital camera, with an impressive 10x optical zoom and wide-angle lens, that also does 720p video (with the added benefit of 10x optical zoom / image stabilization that you don't get with the Flips or Kodak). Check out the YouTube link above for an HD interview I shot with it, compare and see what you think. - Ian Mikutel
Terry: I don't know, I haven't looked into bigger cameras for quite a while. - Robert Scoble
batteries - one of the reasons i bought the psp over the ipod touch. sure, they're not AAs or anything but i can buy more than one if i ever want... - Terry O'Fee
Robert - I definitely see improvement in videos quality, since you got the MinoHD camera. Only problem is that they become much heavier ;) P.S - I like the Flip more. - Nir Ben Yona
I've had the Flip for several months and have only run out of battery juice once. I love it's portability. - Jesse P. Luna
@Robert Forgetting batteries can muck things up too! - Michelle MacPhearson
Missed out on the flip hd mino - got the regular one just before the hd version was released. Standard def for me for now. - Jonathan Grimes
@Robert, I love my MinoHD flip for the sound and image quality, but have to bring my laptop around with me JUST to charge it. anybody have any suggestions on a small portable charger specifically for USBs? - Marissa "malouie"
@ALL my MinoHD video (from Social Media Club SF) here: - Marissa "malouie"
Do you guys think a smaller version of this home made steady cam would work with the flip? - Travis Young
Or you could use the Panasonic LX3 which shoots HD with a better lens and you also get a great point and shoot still camera. Like two cameras for the price of one (albeit a more expensive one). Might work out cheaper than two cameras and less to carry around. - Todd Brunner from twhirl
Can't see the comparison-not a Facebook member. I really hate it when that happens! - Susan Dennis
Zi6. better lense, standard batteries, sd-card slot, brilliant mic.. and don't touch the new aipteks. i have 2 of them and the internal mic is oversteered like hell. You just can't us it. My Zi6 survived the CES and it did it in great style ;) - Sascha Pallenberg
I decided on a Zi6 for the reasons Sascha outlined. Only had it since around Christmas time but I like it.It is wider but not a problem for me. - Scott Kingery
@Travis that thing would work but I think it would be heavy as hell. Go to Vimeo and search for diy steadicam there are some great designs over there. Do the same search on YouTube as well. - Scott Kingery
We bought the Zi6 for our 35 community newspaper newsrooms and they've turned out to be a great choice. The SD storage and replaceable batteries have been exactly what we need. Yes, I wish it had image stabilization, better low-light performance, and either better sound or external sound, but at that price I can't complain. - Seth Long
I see a lot of discussion here about Zi6 having AA batteries - but not much about the fact it has SD card slot. My Zi6 and four 8GB SD cards = 9 hours of HD video. Zi6 > Flip - Ted Hosmann
@Marissa: My iPhone charger is a tiny plug with a female USB plug on the back. I just plug the Flip directly into that to charge it. No laptop needed. - Dylan Parker
@Scoble: Non-facebook links would have been appreciated. I hate having to sign in just to watch some short clips. Vimeo has great HD support in a beautiful UI. - Dylan Parker
Dylan: Vimeo sucks. Doesn't let me upload much per week and I don't like its UI as much as Facebook's. Sorry I made you log in. - Robert Scoble
@Robert I read that ABC actually used some Flip HD footage of the inaug, in broadcast. fwiw - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I have used both and I'm more happy with the Flip HD - Ryan
Creative Vado. - Anika
Another option for Marissa and charging is one of the portable Belkin plugs that includes the regular plugs and two USB jacks for charging. Much smaller than a laptop (about the same size as a Flip). - Kenley Neufeld
Just bought the Zi6 and straight out of the box, I took it to a concert Friday night to test it out. I took a few sample vids, and am pretty pleased with the results. I plugged it into my HDTV, and was impressed with how they looked. The only problem I had was that when a white spot was on the singer, because I was in a dark auditorium the singer was all white. Rechargeable batteries,SD card and macro mode are +++. - Henry Burger
I have the Flip HD and love it, though I have heard great things about the Zi6 as well. Though the built in rechargeable battery did it for me. I don't like having to switch out batteries. Get a Vimeo pro account and you have a great way to share good quality web videos. - Kipp Bodnar
Do they record to MP4? - paul mooney
Anybody have trouble with Flip MinoHD mic at high decibels? Mic overload seems to muffle the audio for me at concerts and shows. - Cindy
@Robert Scoble: I don't have a Facebook account for many reasons, so it would've been nice if you had uploaded the videos elsewhere. I have the Zi6 and think it's alright, but video from my Panasonic LX3 trumps it. I would've liked to see a comparison video from the Flip since I don't have it. Oh well, it's not like I can't find Flip HD videos elsewhere. - Cheryl Jones
Image stabilization is an issue for me with the Zi6. I have a Flip and it's great, but we're looking to buy one to record class presentations and need more than 1GB space. Are the Zi6 stabilization problems really that bad? - Philip Ryan Johnson
Great shootout! I'll have to add you to list of our other comparisons! http://jennifercisney.pluggedi... - Eastman Kodak
I have the minoHD and love it--so far. Our first baby (girl!) comes in April and I wanted something small, lite, and simple: the minoHD is perfect for me. - Blake N. Cooper
Jay Rosen
I'm glad Dave Winer got to hear the Berkeley J-School crowd explain to him that listening too well to the users is unethical.
Crowdsourcing does not always provide the answers that you expect. I wonder what would be on the front page of the NY Times if popularity was the determining factor for what stories got published. Celebrity gossip? If so, would they be obliged to hire Perez Hilton as their managing editor? People also tend to not like depressing news like people dying in wars, world hunger, pollution,... more... - scott anderson
Crowdsourcing? Who said anything about crowdsourcing? Who said newspapers should start editing the front page based on popularity? Where did the phrase "cater to the masses" come from? Where are you getting these things from? "If you want to keep their interest, you need to be interested in them." That was his main point. Does that say "edit the front page by market survey?" Jeez-a-roni. - Jay Rosen
Slippery slope. How do you get there from here? Quoting from Dave ... "it was largely considered unethical for a reporter or editor to know which sections of the paper were most read by users of the paper. If the reporter knew, the story goes, he or she might be influenced by peoples' interests in deciding what to write about." Dave indicated that this type of thinking was a bug. I disagree. - scott anderson
It's often commonly known information that some parts of the magazines are more often read than others (while that information is based on the small sample of tests). Anyways, in most newspapers most commonly read page is comics. ;) - Daniel Schildt
Where's the switch? The switch that causes people to hear Dave Winer saying, "listen to users" and yet what the brain receives is "abandon all judgment, all intelligence to whatever people tend to consume." Where is that switch? - Jay Rosen
BTW, here's the piece people are responding to. - Dave Winer
Jay, it's the same switch that flipped when people told us at Salon a decade ago that we should never look at our traffic reports because it would corrupt our judgment as journalists and turn us into bottomfeeding scum. - Scott Rosenberg
Yes, the same switch; and I recall that battle pretty well. By the way, is "slippery slope" considered a thought? I mean do people still think of that as an argument: "once you start down, the only option is complete loss of balance until you hit the bottom?" To me that seems more like an escape from the necessity of having to think about something, but maybe shouting "slippery slope" at a problem still sounds like a thought to some folks. If so, it's kind of sad, no? - Jay Rosen
My most popular blog post is a throw-away picture of Bruce Lee beating up Chuck Norris. Knowing my stats, do I keep posting Lee/Norris stuff? No. But the next ten most-pop posts are about science, and I notice what style and format appeals to ppl, and I may slightly modify my writing style of posts about science - making them better because of this information. - Bora Zivkovic
I can process the readers' info and not go down the slippery slope. I am still in charge, but feedback - direct through comments and indirect from traffic stats - improves my writing. Newspapers can do the same. - Bora Zivkovic
Right. "Slippery slope" can mean "pack appropriate footwear, move with caution" but too often people use it to mean "that's scary, let's just sit tight." And there *are* sometimes piles of dazed bruised people at the bottom of the hill. - Scott Rosenberg
Maybe this is what it is. When people make that equation, "to listen is to cave," they are not making an observation about listening at all. They are making an observation about other people, what scott anderson called "the masses." The masses lack discipline, the masses want entertainment, the masses want Britney Spears-- not news. Most important: the masses are not me, the observer of other people and their decadent habits. And so to challenge the equation, listening=caving, is to take "the masses" away. - Jay Rosen
But "masses" are interested in stuff other than Britney Spears. Sometimes they don't know it because all the media serves them is Britney Spears: - Bora Zivkovic
You never know what you'll learn if you listen, that's what's really stupid about arguing about whether you should listen or not. Maybe the people who want to say something to you might just make the difference between driving off the cliff and finding a new future. Maybe it's keeping *you* from having the great idea that cracks the nut. - Dave Winer
BTW, when did listening become "listening in the aggregate." If you know anything about me, you know that I don't think of users as couch potatoes, passive participants. In the 80s when I ran a software company, we used to design regcards so as to solicit original thoughts, not just box-clicking. When a new batch of regcards came in I grabbed them and studied them for interesting comments. When I had a question, I called them and asked. It's also good for business if people get that you care what they think - Dave Winer
BTW, you might have to listen to 100 users to get 1 good idea. In 1986, I had a meeting with Guy Kawasaki when he worked at Apple. I showed him an early version of one of our products, we had thrown the kitchen sink into it, every half-baked R&D idea, cause our company was failing and this was our last chance. One idea intrigued him. He said everyone at Apple was hand-designing foils to print on Laserwriters (they were new then). He took a piece of paper and drew a box around one of our pages, and... - Dave Winer
asked if we could do that. Of course we could, and we did, and we immediately sold 1K copies of the product for Apple people, but more importantly, they were so excited by it, they in turn sold many more thousands to their customers, and our company went from being in the brink of shutting down to gushing cash. All because (drum roll) we listened to a user. Ask Guy if you don't believe me, he's on Twitter. - Dave Winer
Once again, this leaves me wondering how journalism manages to be arrogant without being awesome. (The profession, not so much the people that practice it -- one suspects they've elevated a rough draft of their core values to a religion, and now can't escape from it.) - j1m
The thinking behind the slippery slope comment was that newspapers are a business that exist to make a profit. The last season of "The Wire" provides a good example of what I was referring to. Once you start down that road, these temporary bailouts become more seductive. - scott anderson
Also, I never indicated that users should not be listened to. I was referring to the actual quote related to ethics from Dave's article that you obfuscated in your twitter post. - scott anderson
Lastly, for the record I am not a journalist. I don't even claim to be a good writer. I am a user of the news attempting to communicate my concerns related to this topic to those that in my opinion appear to have a self serving agenda. - scott anderson
Who is it that you're saying has a self-serving agenda? I like the "in my opinion" part. In my opinion your mother wears army boots! Heh. - Dave Winer
@Dave: You and Jay. I believe that blogging in all its forms has a valuable role to play in our society. However, I also believe that MSM publications that maintain strict journalistic ethics, including accountability, also provide great value and that the two should not be mixed or try to emulate each other. - scott anderson
Well there you have it. You should make such accusations carefully and with evidence and back it up. What exactly is my supposed undisclosed (and unknown to me, btw) conflict of interest? (Can't wait to hear this.) - Dave Winer
@scott "The last season of "The Wire" provides a good example" of a talented auteur unfortunately working out old grievances in public, spinning an entirely unbelievable tale of willful ignorance of total disregard for the truth. Simon also managed to transplant a 1995 newspaper into the current day, an organization that apparently has never heard of the internet, either for reporting the news or checking it out before starting up the presses. - tim windsor
And I'm with Scott Rosenberg. Slippery slopes call for greater caution, but not total avoidance. - tim windsor
I've seen this careful to not listen approach in interviews, too. It seems like a lot of journalists only ask questions they already know the answer to. Of course, they want the expert being interviewed to give the answer, but they might as well be putting words in his/her mouth. - Gordon Vaughan
The line between listening and trusting your own judgment and expertise is a challenging one, no matter how you cut it. But I agree that the "slippery slope" argument is nonsense. If a journalist lacks the judgment to avoid the slide, h probably doesn't deserve the title. - Pete Forsyth
Also, @davewiner -- I've been trying to participate in this discussion on your blog, but my comments have not been making it past moderation. Can you take a look? - Pete Forsyth
It's unfortunate that the intent of my original question has gotten lost in this discussion. I blame myself for being too flippant and not tying the point I was attempting to make more directly to the exact issue I had a problem with. I'll try to rephrase the question again in a more precise manner. Dave was informed by the Berkeley J-School crowd that they believed it was unethical to use the data about which sections of a newspaper are most popular in decisions papers make about where to invest resources. - scott anderson
I responded to Jay's post because he had generalized and distorted the opinion of the "J-School crowd". In hindsight I should have called him out on this and left it at that. All of my comments have been directed to how this specific type of data is collected and used and this issue alone. In regards to the more general question of whether newspapers are listening to their users or not,... more... - scott anderson
That said, for those that believe it is beneficial to use the data about which sections of newspapers are more popular than the others, how should this data be compiled and applied in an ethical manner? Do you survey all the potential users of a paper like the NY Times (aka the masses, the aggregate, etc.) or do you isolate a sample group based on some criteria? What is that criteria?... more... - scott anderson
The problem with the letters to the editor is that they are designed to protect the existing power relations. See this dust-up about the inappropriateness of letters to the editor in science publications: - Bora Zivkovic
There are much better ways to listen to the readership than letters to the editor. News outlets have many opportunities -- some more legitimate than others -- to shape the public discourse and influence public opinion. In reporting, in the structuring of the medium, in the archiving of information. Proactively seeking out feedback is important -- and is commonplace in other industries. Some approaches clearly have ethical implications, while others don't. - Pete Forsyth
@davewiner If your claim is simply "news outlets should listen to their users," it seems there isn't much for anyone to argue with. I think that's pretty uncontroversially true. However, it's seemed at several points that you are taking a stronger position than that. - Pete Forsyth
I don't equate listening to caving or that listening will result in bottom feeders but I do not discount the effects that come from the pressures related to being a profitable business, especially in tough economic times. A blog or a niche publication is a much different animal than a news corporation. Are there specific processes or firewalls that exist in the news industry that... more... - scott anderson
I think knee-jerk or reactive answers come out of a specific context, and to suggest that news organizations are dumb or naive misses a more nuanced point. The kind of influence that advertising directors etc. sometimes try to exert over editors can be extreme, and so editors' developing a tin ear to that sort of thing can, in many cases, be a very good thing. It's important hear feedback, but it's also important to not waste one's time hearing repetitive feedback that you can't ethically act upon. - Pete Forsyth
When Obama said he was not against all wars, just "dumb wars" people seemed able to handle it. Their heads did not explode from having to make a distinction. So...There's smart listening and dumb listening. I think everyone can handle that too-- including everyone looking in on this thread. - Jay Rosen
Jay, I think we all agree that the distinction is important. The point I'm trying to make is that resistance to input is not always, or necessarily, a bad thing. That is a starting point for finding a solution though, not an end-point. Trusting journalists to have good judgment implies respecting their right to say "in my judgment, this particular feedback is garbage." - Pete Forsyth
As an aside, I have been blocked from commenting on Dave Winer's blog, for reasons that aren't clear to me. That's why I haven't been involved in the discussion over there -- not a lack of interest. - Pete Forsyth
Dave Winer
Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back - World news, News - -
Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back - World news, News -
"But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."" - Dave Winer from Bookmarklet
This is messed up. - Steve Garfield from twhirl
Unreal... So these cops could have taken out several (at least) of these guys at the outset, but did nothing? That's just amazing (in a bad way). - Yule Heibel
the police paralyzed by the terror and therrorirsts in a moment when actions were needed - Sofia from twhirl
I guess the cops were unsure if they were authorized to shoot them down. It's a bureaucratic mess here with no one sure who is in charge of what, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what really happened. - vijay
In the upcoming days we will learn that there was a huge jurisdictional issue... and the police's hands were tied. - Aaron deMello
[Gallup]: Obama Winning Over the Jewish Vote -
"Jewish voters nationwide have grown increasingly comfortable with voting for Barack Obama for president since the Illinois senator secured the Democratic nomination in June. They now favor Obama over John McCain by more than 3 to 1, 74% to 22%." -
Loic Le Meur
Seesmic on the Washington Post -
Loic, congrats on the various Seesmic deals. You are seriously on the longest roll I have ever seen. - Rob Diana
thanks Rob. Longest roll? Nice expression I did not know this one. - Loic Le Meur from twhirl
Great job and way to go Loic, congratulations! - Svetlana Gladkova
Loic, I was just referring to Seesmic getting good reviews and partnerships for what feels like forever. - Rob Diana
thank you friends! "We try harder" :P - Loic Le Meur from twhirl
It's a great site, Loic, good luck! - anna sauce
In these recession times, your comments really made my day thank you. Let's hope I can also translate some of that into revenues soon. - Loic Le Meur
I saw 13 Seesmic video replies. An important topic with lots of traffic from Seesmic and Why only 13 Seesmic videos? More people "liked" Loic's FriendFeed comment and added a message here than the number of Seesmic replies. Or, did I not see all of the replies? - Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Julio, people are not used to video as a conversation tool. It is growing everymonth, very regularly, but a first ever on the Washington Post, give it some time - Loic Le Meur
btw the permalink is here as they posted more since I shared it - Loic Le Meur
Loic, I'm glad that major news organizations are working with interactive tools. Nov. 4 will be a good day for real time community journalism. I'll add my videos to Seesmic. - Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Marshall Kirkpatrick
Lawrence Lessig compares Sarah Palin to every vice president in u.s. history Video -
Adam Helweh
25 Beautiful Macro Photography Shots | Monday Inspiration | Smashing Magazine -
25 Beautiful Macro Photography Shots | Monday Inspiration | Smashing Magazine
25 Beautiful Macro Photography Shots | Monday Inspiration | Smashing Magazine
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A freakin mazing - Adam Helweh from Bookmarklet
No what? - Adam Helweh
Eeeeeeek! - Ayşe E.
extreme patience and concentration - Rich Reader
creepy bugs! But awesome shots. - Yolanda
Dave Winer
Dave Winer
Out-Takes: Behind The Atlantic's McCain Cover @ AMERICAN DIGEST -
Out-Takes: Behind The Atlantic's McCain Cover @ AMERICAN DIGEST
"I called my wife a cunt in front of reporters." - Dave Winer from Bookmarklet
this is going to get soooo ugly.. - Chris Hollander
Wow -- I can't wait to see what Thomas Hawk has to say about this. You of course remember his dust up with Jill Greenberg. She is obviously a pretty low person. - Joe Beda
Jeffrey Goldberg, "Suffice it to say that her "art" is juvenile, and on occasion repulsive. This is not the issue, of course; the issue is that she betrayed this magazine, and disgraced her profession." http://jeffreygoldberg.theatla... - Randy Holloway
My goodness. I hope The Atlantic successfully sues Ms. Greenberg. What a despicable person. I was going to say that it's people like her who give Democrats a bad name, but no, it's people like her who give *people* a bad name. - Adam Lasnik
Very unprofessional on her part. - Rod Bauer from twhirl
Is that lipstick? - Indio Apache from twhirl
I thought the comments were about the text added to the photo. I didn't understand the uproar since I thought it was common knowledge that, yes, that incident occurred. Then I went to the link, read the post, and saw the other images. If Jill Greenberg's career as a photojournalist or magazine photographer isn't over already, it should be. Don't you think? - Cindy
She's a freelancer, she doesn't work for the Atlantic. She sold the Atlantic photo that ended up on the cover. What else she shot was her business. And she's an artist. Artists have a long tradition of playing pranks and fucking shit up. As they should. When an artist becomes professional, she dies. - Rick Powell
Rick, from what I understand when someone commissions a freelancer or anyone else to do some work they get all the photos that were taken and all the rights to them. She shouldn't have kept photos from the shoot. - Arthur Guy
You mean they hand over the negatives or the SD card? Please. - Rick Powell
They used to hand over the negatives but with digital images it obviously doesn't work, thats why you hope photographers are respectable people who abide by the contracts they working under - Arthur Guy
Perhaps the Atlantic colluded with Greenberg. Big deal. These objections and the hand-wringing and the pleas to professionalism are all so very square. I, for one, am glad these images exist. They made me laugh, and I couldn't give a rat's ass about the "ethics." - Rick Powell
Obama was wrong. You CAN put lipstick on a pig! - Indio Apache from twhirl
Greenberg's smugness is appalling, but seeing how the republican media portray Obama, up to the point of retouching his portraits and darken his skin, this is just par for the course. - dario
"they only exaggerate factual aspects about McCain" What that he is a blood sucking monster!? I don't have a problem with the images I just think they should have been done to ones taken from the public domain rather than in the un-professional way they were obtained. - Arthur Guy
Your probably right, I just thought it was funny! At the end of the day as long as it helps to keep McCain out it's a good thing - Arthur Guy
Dave Winer
Formula: Imagine it's a year from now, and we won the election. What would President Obama say? Then say that.
Dave Winer
Steve Gillmor
Quote: "For their part, and FriendFeed proponents have gone from anger to despair to revolutionary fervor to silence as users offer muted reassurance while at the same time wandering “aimlessly” back to Mother Twitter." - Louis Gray
"Facebook has freshened up its UI and allowed us to personalize the news stream to vaguely emulate Twitter." He misspelled FriendFeed. - Mark Trapp
Wait until he sees I just sent everyone here from Twitter. Heheh. - Robert Scoble
Why is there a TechCrunchIT? - Shawn Farner
Twitter has a better name than, eg. "I just twittered something" vs "I just said something on"? - Shawn Molnar
LOL @ Brandon. I'm with you - I thought TechCrunchIT covered IT related news. Apparently its real purpose is to assemble an anti-Twitter army and achieve global microblogging dominance. - Shawn Farner
Good Post! The only reason I haven’t totally moved to is the network effect of twitter. I am getting far more value out of twitter+twhirl with my current follows than I would suspect at - Sheraz Mahmood from twhirl
Does TinyURL still hold the strategic high ground? - Elliott Ng
metamark,net is better then tinyurl. customized links! =symbolic of an aborted fetus - NoahDavidSimon
While Abby Martin is here, and I am here, and Robert Scoble is here, we are only three people, and perhaps it DOES matter that Twitter is cited on CNN. To grow, Twitter needs to make inroads with tens of millions of members of the general population. That means we'll see Twitter accounts on cola bottles and cereal boxes and trading cards. (I don't think there's a yet.) Hopefully Twitter has improved its uptime to deal with this workload. - Ontario Emperor from fftogo
Robert, good to see you back on FriendFeed. - Steve Gillmor
nah, Twitter sucks with the photos plus conversations are so chopped up. Give it a year. FF will prevail. - Thomas Hawk
We're racing? I think there's plenty of room for several services. And to compare friendfeed and twitter to is like comparing apples to fail whales. Twitter is like a shoelace compared to friendfeed's professional basketball team. Some people don't like basketball and would be overwhelmed managing a team but most people can tie their shoes. - ·[▪_▪]·
Twitter has that thing we used to get excited about in Web 1.0...first mover advantage. The follow-up attempts have to be more than just competent. For better or worse Twitter is to microblogging as Kleenex is to tissues and Walkman to mobile cassette players. cf Shawn Molnar's comment above. - Andrew Grumet
Um... who wants a winner yet? I want them to keep slugging it out and developing new features. - Johnny
Twitter's advantage:traffic.FF:discussions - Igor Poltavskiy
bleh... - Rahsheen
twitter continues to capture the imagination of non-tech people... While I find FF great, I wonder whether it would ever break out into the non-tech crowd and get real acceptance. To me FF is a hybrid of both a discussion forum and social aggregator... its confusing to many. I tried to sell to a few of my non-tech friends and they say that they dont have that many accounts to manage to... more... - Krishna Gade
People used to say the same types of things about Twitter. - Rahsheen
Leo Laporte
World's First Tesla Crash (in SF) -
World's First Tesla Crash (in SF)
Dane's friend snapped this on Friday. - Leo Laporte from Bookmarklet
oh well - Marc Canter
this is why you don't buy a car for 125k - Allen Stern
@Chris - Hahahahaha - Christopher Sacca
What, they don't include brakes? - Jordan Hofker
Wow some one wasn't paying attn - Victor Lee Squire from twhirl
Wow some one wasn't paying attn . You must pay attn to the road at all times .if i'm right ! - Victor Lee Squire from twhirl
and to think normally you would be "ouch, that was a mercedes"; to think that was the beater in this collision. - Lou Paglia
Well, at least it was more environmentally friendly? - Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
No, Calacanis was probably pitching Mahalo while filming with his n95 and crashed - @baratunde from twhirl
Oops. - Mitchell Tsai
who's Tesla is that? The Google founders just got theirs on Thursday. - Robert Scoble
oh, and Elon Musk said they crashed quite a few for their official crash tests. - Robert Scoble
While it's in the shop he should get a golf cart as a loaner - Andrew Smith
I wonder how much the insurance on that is... - iTad
They said #9, so than its not Jason Calacanis' car - Fred Grott
expensive way to change the tires - sdfx
What a painful sight to see. - imabonehead
Ouch. Anyone know who was the owner? - Royce Mathew
Oh god, it hurts my eyes. - Johan
Was Shia LaBeouf behind the wheel? - Roger @ CineVegas
ouch! - Jason Calacanis
Ho damn'... - Jean-François Amadei from twhirl
who was at faul? It looks like the Tesla was rear-ended by the Nissan and then pushed into (and under) the Benz. - George Aranjuez from twhirl
dont worry... i'm fine. haven't taken delivery yet. :-) mine is orange btw :-) - Jason Calacanis
Kevin Rose
well that sucks about shaving your head but it is a damn cool idea. - Paulo Elias from twhirl
His site is getting hammered at the moment. Kevin effect? - Vincent X
DO IT!!! - Adam Maldonado
embrace your inner kojak - Seth Long
Considering my hair is at least 6" past my shoulders, I would cry if I did this. Literally. Good idea though as @Paulo mentioned. - Matthew Horton
I fully support this meme - Mike Doeff
i did it in college once also for charity. - MG Siegler
I shave my head every two weeks. In fact I shaved it today. What's the big deal? - Jason Toney
Bah, you have short hair anyways! SHAVE IT! :-P - Matthew Horton
gotta do it! hair grows back, and an awesome idea can't stop at the first person - Donny Warbritton've been double-dog-dared. Do it, then call out DVORAK! - Jim
Talking about calling someone out! - Flip it, donate double his call out and pay some to shave their head, so the game can continue! - Brad Parler
come on! it's just hair, it will grow back!!! - Chris Jones from twhirl
Yes! You do have great hair and that's all a better reason to shave it off. I'll donate to your charity if you do it. This is some quality entertainment! - Rachel Rubin
Lol talk about pressure. Ouch! Just give the money to charity yourself bro - keep the hair... - Calvin Robinson from twhirl
DONT DO THE HAIR, just give the money. lol Maybe give double so you DONT have to shave it. lol - Leslie Poston
You need to do it since others will do it simply because you have done it. Think of the charities that'll benefit and remember it'll grow back :) Oh ps. your lady friend will dig you doing it for a noble cause - Greg Rosen from twhirl
dude, you gotta do it! - Ryan
shave, baby, and get some nice razor lines put in too. Temp tat style. - Boo
Dude I've been watching you since Screen Savers, you have had short hair before, and it is a damn good cause and idea from an awesome dude. - Brandon
Do it! - Andrew Fielding from twhirl
Do it Kevin! Don't let things come to a screaming halt this early! Then call out Laporte!!! Leo your time is coming!!! LOL! - Robert Couture from twhirl
Or better yet ... SCOBLE!!!!!! Hah! - Robert Couture
You're screwed. You better do least it grows back...well it does at your age ha! - Francis P Bonnemere
Do it Kevin!! It will grow back - Then yeah, call out Laporte or better yet - Dvorak!!! - Les Zaldor
Do it. I need more blog fodder. LOL. P.S. Don't call me. - Todd Jordan
I doubt that this thing will catch on... I'd be much more impressed if, I don't know, maybe if it was a contest with a prize from Gary, and that to be part of it you need to chip in in order to gather a big amount of money for a charity, skipping all that hair stuff. Or maybe to spread awareness about sites like, and get people involved. Kevin and Gary both have a lot of power in their hands, but I think there are more efficient ways than this hair thing. Best of luck though guys! Hope this works. - Vincent X
It's like a reality game show: video double dog dare, pressure from the audience, and if you don't do it you should get voted off. Besides, it's for charity, so there's no harm. - Pete D
do it and have Alex or Leo be next. Patrick would be too easy his hair is too close - Todd Proffitt
Here's an idea - instead of shaving your head, amend it to say that if you don't shave your head, you double the amount donated - Clay Levering
This is a great idea, but man I feel for you! How about everyone that comments here sends $5 as well? - Rob
John C. Welch
I swear to god, every blogtard that says "Oh, I don't have to fact - check, my readers do that for me" needs to get kicked in the kidneys
Dave Winer
Poster for Obama rally in Berlin -
If the world citizens had a chance to vote in the US elections, Obama would be the winner. - Suhit Anantula
If the world had a chance to vote in US elections, you'd have a real left winger like Tony Benn on the ballot instead of Obama. - Prolific Programmer
i'm PrObama myself, but there's something creepy about the foreign adulation. - Aziz Poonawalla
Prolific, not ALL of the world is so left-winged. Heck, not with the kind of governments we're used to. Not me, at least (I'm Venezuelan). - Juan Carlo Rodríguez
Ginger Makela Riker
Focus, People! There’s Work to Do - -
Focus, People! There’s Work to Do -
From the NYTimes article by Elizabeth Jensen: "In contrast to the writers’ rooms of other series, the one for Showtime’s “Weeds” is almost Spartan. “We have eliminated most of the distractions from the room,” said Craig Zisk, an executive producer...Computers, P.D.A.’s and cellphones had to go. “We were spending too much time text-messaging each other in the room about what everyone else was saying,” he said. And at the beginning of the season, after Mr. Zisk and one of the writers lost weight by cutting out sugar, the staff of nine voted to institute a no-sugar policy in the writers’ room. The sweets were replaced with fruit plates, dried fruit, nuts and energy drinks. “We’re a very focused group,” Mr. Zisk said. - Ginger Makela Riker
I should ban myself from FriendFeed and Twitter. :-) - Robert Scoble
The description reminds me of several scenes from 30 Rock. Art imitating life! - Mark Trapp
i like that i see at least two women - edythe
@Kevin dw: i can't go to the Weeds room if i've never seen the show, right? - edythe
Robert: I could be so much more productive at home w/out Twitter/FF/Plukr/etc. But I do without them at work so I'm a lot more productive there. - Todd Jordan
@Kevin D. White: ha. - edythe
Robert Scoble
Congratulations to all - Brian Sullivan
Congrats! - directeur
Poor guy! Be forced to wear a suit ;-) - directeur
Thanks, yeah, he likes wearing a tie about as much as I do. :-) - Robert Scoble
He is such a good person, thanks for sharing these photos, and congrats. - susan mernit
Congratulations Patrick & Family... I'm sure you'll rock high school! Now take the summer off! - Michael Lehman
Congrats (never had one of these, they just shipped us off to H.S.) - Michael W. May from twhirl
Congrats to Patrick - Mark Dykeman
Congratulations Patrick. Robert you must be very proud. - Sean Alexander
I am very proud and he is on the honor roll too! Which means he gets to get the new iPhone. :-) - Robert Scoble
Congratulations! - Aaron Myers
very nice - Alex Hammer
Woh, flash-forward 13 years to my daughter's grad. Congrats to you all. Any advice for that 'letting go' day Robert? - Leif Hansen
congrats Patrick and Scoblefamily :) - Loic Le Meur
Leif: who said I let go? Seriously, I have always tried to treat Patrick as an adult. Or at least an adult in training. That has always done us both good. - Robert Scoble
Was there two years ago and I'll be back next year. I mean literally there. The very same school. Congratulations, Patrick! - Leo Laporte
Congrats Patrick :) - mj
Congrats Patrick. Your future is bright! - Mike Doeff
Hillary Clinton's Concession Speech -
Hillary Clinton's Concession Speech
Brilliant speech - bravo Hillary. I am beginning to believe that an Obama-Clinton ticket is the only thing that can save us from the hole that President Bush has dug. - Leo Laporte
a fierce competitior and gracious in defeat :) - John Blanton from twhirl
Leo - the speech was phenomenal and had she been talking like that for the last year she'd be the nominee today. But... I can't help thinking that putting her on the ticket is a recipe for disaster. The Clintons have spent the last 16 years refining the politics of personal destruction and I'm not convinced that she has changed her stripes. Let Obama be Obama, no? - Seth Long
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