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I love FriendFeed BECAUSE other people disagree with me. It is the opposite of Rush Limbaugh.
Nicholas James, Dave Martin, david beckwith and 37 other people liked this
Agreed. Life without challenge is monotonous.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
on Rush's show you usually only hear one voice and world view.
- Robert Scoble
Usually?
- Derrick
I disagree
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Robert: Who dares to disagree with you? :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Yep.
- Akiva Moskovitz
You actually listen to Rush?
- Glen Mistletoe
I'll take both FF and Rush, great country
- Daltonsbriefs
Glenn, I listen to bits of Mike Gallagher throughout the day. Last week he said Republicans who were endorsing Obama needed to be called out by their own party (spurred by Powell). There are those of us who reach leftist conclusions through the process of elimination rather than purely by decision.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well said!!
- Susan Beebe
I love Radio, and interesting talk radio too, but not those political bigots. They seem to spew out such mindless drivel, that surely no-one believes it?
- Ian May
Ian, I listen to it when I'm in the warehouse and the warehouse manager has it on the radio. Yes, he believes it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
glen I listened to Rush when he was a nobody on a small station in Sacramento.
- Robert Scoble
I listened to Gallagher when he was on 1330 in Greenville as a local host
- Jeff Quinton
I like FriendFeed because we can discuss things even with people or about people we disagree with, and we don't resort to calling them things like "bigots" and racists....oh wait, never-mind.
- Craig Eddy
Craig: did you just call me names?heh!
- Robert Scoble
Craig: not so much whether I disagree with people like Rush or not. I just think that him and those like him spew out such a lot of nonsense. My gut reaction, therefore, is NOT to believe a word the likes of him say. It's a bit like reading a Murdoch Tabloid.
- Ian May
Nope, Robert, you're unlikely to hear me call any particular person names. Though I did once write something about certain people in general being suckers. I think it's beneath us to call people we disagree with silly names. :}
- Craig Eddy
Rush Limbaugh creates an excellent radio program that inspires research and thought.
- ComicList
Now that Facebook after the redesign as become more like a crippled FriendFeed, I like FF even more...
- Alex Schleber
I love friendfeed , because of all the Smart , Funny , Witty , Genuinely Nice people here
- johnpiercy
Rush Limbaugh doesn't disagree with you?
- Morton Fox
The problem with Rush is not that he is stupid or wrong. He treats his listeners like they are stupid. Maybe you can argue that intelligent listeners like him and know they are being bullshiited by Rush, but I doubt that's a large part of his audience.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
Morton I used to be a ditto head. :-) then my world view evolved and his got Bushed.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: As usual, you're wrong. :)
- Steven Perez
Yuck, Robert. You put FriendFeed and Rush Limbaugh in the same thought together.
- Pete Delucchi
Steven and I still love you!
- Robert Scoble
How would you know, Robert? If you listen to Rush, you are disagreeing, thus your premise is falsified.
- Robert Owens
Rush, can you spare me some hillbilly heroiiin, some of those oxycontins?
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Very compassionate, Indio, very compassionate.
- ComicList
The best discussions and discoveries come from disagreements... And, a disagreement is not (or shouldn't be) arguing, it should be a discussion.
- Danielle Closs
Disagreement with respect should be the rule of a great democracy. Somewhere along the line, our politicians forgot about the respect part (perhaps it was never there).
- Douglas Karr
from twhirl
I haven't had too many political discussions on FriendFeed, but from the looks of it, it seems like there is more than enough dissent.
- Jamelle
Rush is a good balance to network news. He's as far to right as they are to the left.
- Robert Hafer
Robert, I also listened to Rush when he was on KFBK/Sacramento. When he went national, he was just no fun any more. So, I apologize, but I have to ... agree.
- Louis Gray
Somebody quell my skepticism and point to a specific discovery you made from a disagreement on friendfeed. I agree that good discoveries come from disagreements; I just haven't seen that phenomenon here. I don't catch every conversation; maybe it happened and I missed it.
- Bruce Lewis
I've seen extremely few examples here of people honestly open to quality conversation and true discussion. FF is knee-jerk Post-It size emotions.
- Dawn
I disagree!
- david beckwith
Just a quick link to what might be the pinnacle of "disagreement" - the famous Buckley - Chomsky debate. Can you imagine conservatives and liberals engaging like this today? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- John Craft
Like Jeff, I remember Gallagher from 1330AM in Greenville, SC. Suffice to say he's changed a LOT; he wasn't a demagogue when he started.
- Woodrow Jarvis Hill
Here’s What I Know- the Failed Bailout As Explained By Me - http://queenofspainblog.com/2008...
Pete Steege, Michael Markman, ChiliMac and 15 other people liked this
Ryan while I share your frustration, that won't solve anything. Real solutions come from the only guy who's been giving us plans this whole time. Solid plans. Did you notice in the debate Obama rattle off 4-5 proposals he's made to help this crisis and McCain's answer was to blame. Not that both sides are not to blame here. But I have faith in leadership.
- Erin @queenofspain
"I don’t know if this bail out bill was the answer. I do know I want the asshats in DC to SHUT UP and fix this mess. Now. Even if that means they have to share and play nice." Thank you!
- Mona Nomura
The problem is the politicians don't know enough about the problem they're trying to fix. Try explaining credit default swaps to a congressperson and watch their head explode.
- Morgan
Partisan politics is a bit like watching toddlers with their toys really. They don't always play nicely together even if we may all prefer them to fix the mess rather than squabble incessantly.
- Sally Church
@Erin I get that you're an Obama supporter. But honestly, after 6 years in the Senate, my point is that he's not without blame either. I don't think that he's the "only guy" who has real solutions. The problem (or the solution) is not any individual, it's the collective. Including Obama. If he's got 4-5 proposals that will work, why weren't they in a bill that just got passed to fix this mess?
- Ryan Kuder
He had input and has laid it out in HIS plans. Was asked to keep presidential politics out of this, as the partisanship was making it worse. So he obliged. Unlike others...
- Erin @queenofspain
Spot on, Mr. Kuder. In the famous reply of G. K. Chesterton when responding the the Editor of the Times to the question:'What's wrong with the world?', he replied in a short letter: "I am. G. K. Chesterton"
- Melanie Reed
Obama has only been in the Senate since 2004.
- Admiral Anika
what i WANT to know is ... why did we wait til now to fix this ... election?
- nate pagel
Maybe the country will be more receptive to real term limits in the near future.
- Craig Eddy
@nate because we had people like McCain saying "The fundamentals of the economy are strong". Meanwhile Warren Buffet got Berkshire Hathaway out of the credit swap markets 5 years ago and called them "Weapons of Economic Mass Destruction"
- Jason Carreira
Erin, great post. Yesterday politicians played politics with peoples lives and it is pathetich. Speaker Pelosi was wrong for giving such a partisan speech right before the vote and any Congressmen or Congresswomen that changed their vote because of it were even more wrong.
- ChiliMac
WSJ isn't buying McBullshit. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwir...
Mike Reynolds, Atul Arora, jcunwired and 7 other people liked this
Wow. That's great.
- John McCrea
Of course the WSJ ignores that the majority party couldn't get enough of it's members to vote to pass it, but why let the truth get in the way of a good story. I'd suspect that was McCain's point
- Thomas Vincent
Thomas it must be a liberal conspiracy.
- Dave Winer
Naw Dave, just reporter's bias. I am more boggled by how Pelosi let a vote come up without knowing it would fail. As someone who has worked in a Whip office on the Hill it seems either she was dumb, arrogant, or didn't do her proper diligence to make sure she had the votes. I suspect the later, but why? Who knows.
- Thomas Vincent
majority party? yeah - what is the minority "report"?
- Scott Moskowitz
Thomas, GOP leadership told Pelosi before the vote that they had an additional 12 members in support.
- Kevin Bondelli
Kevin where did you see it, because I know Blunt and his numbers aren't wrong, er normally, on Whip issues. I am curious.
- Thomas Vincent
That was what I heard on CNN. GOP leadership said after the vote that they lost those 12 members after Pelosi's speech.
- Kevin Bondelli
Have to check their website and see if I can't find it, thanks!
- Thomas Vincent
hahaha. first the NYT now WSJ. soon the McCain campaign will have to issue press releases along the lines of, "Whatever the [INSERT NAME OF NEWSPAPER HERE] once was, it is today not by any standard a journalistic organization..." :-D
- Karim
Thomas: get your starting point right. This was a Republican (Bush executive branch) initiative. He managed to get a larger portion of the democratic side on board than he did of the Rebunlican side. The democrats didn't fail to deliver to the country, the republicans failed to deliver. If you get that starting point then we can serously debate the merits of the bill (I think it had...
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- David HC Soul
@david hc soul amen ... what happened to loyalty? what a political joke - the emperor has no clothes & all the kings horses & all the kings men have yet to call for criminal investigations? must be pretty serious ... who will lead? name a politician? lawyer? who? where is scooter & alberto & harriet?
- Scott Moskowitz
David considering Pelosi was the Majority leader and it was a piece of House legislation introduced by Charlie Rangel I don't think I am out of bounds. The original idea was proposed by the Administration agreed, but it's the Speaker's job to lead, which she didn't do and get the votes.
- Thomas Vincent
I thought it was McCain's job to lead? Wasn't that what the whole suspension of campaign was about? His grandstanding, his taking credit hours before it didn't pass? Need I point out, you can put lipstick on a pig...
- jcunwired
@Thomas are you serious? What do you think the solution is? We understand the hot potato - now what is *your* plan? Do tell
- Scott Moskowitz
Completely Scott, my plan they were poorly run, let the market resolve, they fail end of story. But I am former Hill staffer so noone cares what I think, but then no one did when I was there either. :-) All I am trying to do is provide a bit of perspective from someone who has seen how the House operates on a day to day basis.
- Thomas Vincent
@Thomas but you are not the "market" - you're a pol who acted on behalf of lobbyists - not Country First - "let em eat cake" gets your head separated from your body - taxation without representation is a historic reality that like gravity will force discipline on your former & current mindset as Hill staffer - i need not say that there is no spin when there is no confidence &/or transparency - entrepreneurs create jobs not government
- Scott Moskowitz
Scott that you think I worked for anyone but what I thought was best for the country is a personal insult and frankly I am offended. Furthermore I never worked on banking or morgage issues so you are speaking falsely all the way around. Last I never have presumed government can make jobs, so wrong on all fronts.
- Thomas Vincent
@Thomas personally offended? I guess this mess has not been as acute as it is here in Florida Who paid you? My Govt - You worked on the Hill, no? I had lobbyists working for my business & am personally offended by how the federal govt takes advantage of small business - perhaps a lesson for us all - touché - check your facts it is Govt that created jobs all the while running up $10 tril in debt - welcome to the machine err market - where there is no "personal" only jack
- Scott Moskowitz
Washington DC blogger @agfhome just told me that those who voted against it were up for reelection. Great, burn the country to get reelected
Erin @queenofspain, Kenton, S Adler and 7 other people liked this
It's the House the entire body gets reelected every 2 years, politics 101.
- Thomas Vincent
Everyone who voted today is up for re-election, but the 'no's are a who's who of 'targeted' races on both sides of the aisle.
- Andrew Leyden
They're all up for reelection, but http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ says swing state congress critters killed the bill.
- Steve Lowe
I can't stand how that is the way it works. It's so bass-ackwards.
- Josh Haley
Yup here's a quote from Yahoo Finance: "We're all worried about losing our jobs," Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., declared in an impassioned speech in support of the bill before the vote. "Most of us say, 'I want this thing to pass, but I want you to vote for it — not me.'"
- Sally Church
steplew TX, AZ, CO, and CA are swing states, huh who knew... you can see the break down here.... http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congres...
- Thomas Vincent
I find it funny that rich people are so into socialism all of a sudden. Let it burn and we will rebuild a better structure. Otherwise, we are just patching a thatch house.
- Greg Bond
I wonder what would have happened if this had started in the Senate rather than the House. (Or is this considered a budget bill, which HAS to originate in the House per the Constitution?) If it had started in the Senate, calmer heads may have prevailed.
- Ontario Emperor
Ontario, it wouldn't much matter as Pelosi didn't due her due diligence about her Whip count and make sure she had the numbers needed before she brought the bill to the floor.
- Thomas Vincent
Are you saying that elected representatives should NOT do what their constituents want? Because you believe that Paulson isn't lying when he says the $700BN will work? Because all of Paulson's other predictions were so accurate? I'm amazed how many people buy this B.S. about bailout.
- Joshua Allen
Joshua: listening to the customers is often the wrong thing to do. But, no matter, the system is on fire. How much damage will be done? Who knows. Who is spraying water onto the fire? Why not? What are you recommending they do? Just let the credit system go to hell? Ron Paul all the way! Yeaaaahhhh!!!!
- Robert Scoble
To clarify, I meant the ones whose seats are considered "in play" since their districts aren't gerrymandered enough.
- Andrew Feinberg
Depending on politicians to not be political, is like giving a gambler a buck believing he/she's going to buy food.
- Eric Lewis
Screw that, @scoble. Why should we "rescue" companies that made bad choices. Why should we reward bad behavior? That's crap! This bill did nothing to punish those who caused this mess, it did nothing for those whose houses are on the line (nevermind they mad bad choices as well). And we "the people" who were loaning this money to these crap institutions was getting nothing in return. It was a gift to those financial companies who let greed go to there heads and rolled the dice and lost.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
@Robert: Government of the people is soo overrated.
- Eric Lewis
I like the fact that democracy gets its say (for really the first time this decade), and some time to deliberate. Let the markets pout. If the dow is supposed to be over 11,000, it will be again soon. And if the people are threatening to cast out representatives that vote a certain way, well, I can't imagine how listening to their voice is a bad thing. Then the rep makes the call their conscience tells them to. That's vaguely what I remember from civics class (1992, a bygone era, I know).
- Christopher Galtenberg
It's the House of Commons that saves us from the Elites.
- Eric Lewis
No blanket bailout, case by case basis only.
- imran
Scoble: Markets are down because congress held out some bacon and took it away. American people are too smart to throw good money after bad. And as one of your commenters mentioned; credit markets for actual valuable services are functioning just fine. http://caseymulligan.blogspot.com/2008...
- Joshua Allen
Listening to the crooks who got us in this mess (Bernanke, Frank, Dodd, Paulson) is a lot stupider than listening to the people. It's like going to a doctor who killed every patient he ever saw. Now that the market is only down 6% after we called Paulson's bluff, that guy should be thoroughly discredited.
- Joshua Allen
A trillion dollar toxic hot potato, no politician wants to catch this hail mary pass.
- imran
The house is always up for re-election every two years, so only some of the people up for re-election voted no, along with some that voted yes. Just noticed that @Thomas just said the same thing earlier on.
- Bryan
Bankruptcy, not bailout, is the right answer. The right view of the financial mess is that an enormous fraction of subprime lending should never have occurred in the first place. Someone has to pay for that. That someone should not be, and does not need to be, the U.S. taxpayer. http://edition.cnn.com/2008...
- imran
Scoble, I like you a lot, yet I think you're way off on this one. If it would have passed, we'd surely end up in a major inflationary crisis like never before. All it would do is bail out a few companies, get some guys some severance pay and cost we taxpayers, gazillions! Where do you think this $700-billion come from? Budget cuts? Gold? Where? The Gov & Fed have already spent BILLIONS...
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- Paul Salzman
from twhirl
...than bailing out a bunch of cronies who are hoodwinking us into bailing out their banks and stealing other stockholder's companies and selling them to Chase, Citi and the others that make up the Fed. Wake up, Man! This is a SCAM.
- Paul Salzman
from twhirl
And by the way, you Tweeted about the GM worker getting screwed? You think Chase stealing WAMU from shareholders, by having the FDIC take it over and pass its $350-bill in assets to Chase for $1.9-bill is helping anyone but those involved? I bet you a lot of people, friends, here in Seattle are going to lose their jobs, as will other friends in Irvine & the countless branch closures....
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- Paul Salzman
from twhirl
Think of bailout as Royal Bush Pardons for financial crimes of decade.
- imran
I'm with Scoble. Bush and Paulson know what's best for us. They and all their friends wouldn't be so rich and powerful if they didn't know what's best, right? Screw all these fringe constitutionalists who whine about representation and freedom. Just shut up and do what your government tells you.
- Alan Cheslow
Whatever the case about the bailout, this is yet another instance of John McCain showing how he plans to behave while negotiating as President and how effective he will be at bringing people together. Not very effective.
- Andrew Baron
Bush cannot be trusted in this lame duck session, he has poor advisers and judgment, his tenure of 8 bad years is proof.
- imran
"take their fake money and drop it on taxpayers. $700-billion could reduce a lot of personal debts" Yeah, the only idea I could think of that's worse than the bailout is this one. A total sunk cost, a horrible lesson, 1/2 that money wouldn't even re-enter the economy. I'm sure 90% of liberals would still support it (and yet we still lose elections we shouldn't -- a wonder, truly).
- Christopher Galtenberg
Rather see it being "loaned" to taxpayers directly to pay their debts, rather than bail out some company that royally screwed up, taking advantage of their deregulated position in the financial well being of this country and affecting the rest of the world. Like the representative from Ohio said, Wall Street wizards mismanage, get greedy and come running home to mama. Let's take our medicine now, get through it sooner than later, and fix the problem so we never deal with it again.
- Paul Salzman
Here's a question: would you rather see Warren Buffett or Gordon Gecko (assuming he was not a fictional character) running the Fed? the Treasury? Currently, we have a bunch of Gordon Geckos and their cronies running everything. It's SO clear if you do a little research and follow the money!
- Paul Salzman
Me, I'd rather buy securities that are priced at 1/5 of their original value. Oh, and then pass a mortgage insurance bill. Then entertain hoards of buyers.
- Christopher Galtenberg
@ginakay that's why the market is going down right now. The market knows that if credit stops, the economy stops.
Dave "Freedom 35", S Adler and cjmart liked this
I have so much debt, no one with a brain would give me credit anyway!
- Aura Mae
Most interesting Sarah Palin post I have read: http://ta-nehisicoates.theatla...
m13a, S Adler, j1m and 3 other people liked this
Totally agree.
- Robert Scoble
I normally don't blog about politics per se, but the Palin interviews made me write this: http://mathoda.com/archive...
- Ranjit Mathoda
Just gave $100 to Obama.
Duncan Riley, David Petar Novakovic, John LeMasney and 16 other people liked this
I'll match your donation to McCain
- David Ward
I gave $100 too.
- Robert Scoble
Dave, I don't necessarily agree with everything you post (and I hide a lot of it) but I really, really appreciate and respect that you back up your textual passion with your pocketbook. Not a whole lot of people can say that they do.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'll raise u 100 x's 2 that I won at a poker tournament.
- adolfo foronda
I've donated $75 so far. Will probably do more this month.
- Graham English
$100 to Obama as well. He's raised $8 million in 24 hours after Palin and expected to hit $10 million before McCain takes the stage. The republicans: raised $1 million in the last 24 hrs
- Grant Gochnauer
I stopped giving directly to candidates when I found they spent all my money soliciting me for more money. I wanted a better use of my money. PAC's seem to do a better job of using my money.
- Roland Smith
from twhirl
Can't quite do a hundred, but I did donate to Obama today.
- Cheryl Rice
I gave $100 immediately after Palin's speech and then another $50 this morning. I am 25 years old and this is all that I can give but I felt it needed to be done.
- Johan
I'm waiting to give $100 during McCain's speech.
- jcunwired
My goal is $500 plus my time with the South Florida campaign http://my.barackobama.com/page...
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Dave your wasted you money.
- Ernie Oporto
I already donated but I still haven't received my special edition Obama-Biden car magnet.
- ~C4Chaos
I personally wouldn't give any of them any money as they already have a lot more than me :)
- Ian May
I gave $120. The donation page had a $120 selection button, no $100 button. :-)
- Steve Garfield
from twhirl
I agree with Akiva. I am not an Obama guy, but I always respect the fact somebody backs up their opinion with their money.
- David Risley
Sarah Palin has energized the Democratic base like crazy! :) Really. She's scaring the hell out of many people.
- Sean McBride
@Sean McBride: Palin has also energized the "elite" media - http://www.politico.com/news...
- ~C4Chaos
Chaos - normally I don't much like Roger Simon, but this is beautiful. :)
- Sean McBride
me too
- don loeb
planning to. Waiting for megafail from mcain/palin. Oh, wait.
- John LeMasney
keyword Research on a MAC and PC... - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Eric Gehler, John Serra, Ange Recchia/angesbiz and 4 other people liked this
I want that... whatever it is
- Camilla Ricketts
I'll have that because I am a member of Immediate Edge... You can have it too, click here http://www.immediateedge.com/idev... ....
- Allison
darn... guess I'll just have to wait for a public release
- Camilla Ricketts
this was all sizzle the steak get served up on the edge next week!
- Ed Dale
@masscontrolkern You managed to last three hours!!...you really have been working on Stamina...oh hang on..consulting...never mind...
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69 Twitter Web Services You Should Know - http://smartech.blogetery.com/2008...
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oha
- Erhan Erdogan
enteresan olan bi' durum bence. twitter zırt pırt api'ye erişim izni koymasına rağmen 69 adet servis olması ilginç. acaba içlerinde api'e erişim kısıtlı olduğu vakitlerde hile yapanlar, çeşitli yollarla api limitini aşanlar var mı?
- Gürkan Oluç
from twhirl
69 tane var ama dediğim yok işte! :D
- Erhan Erdogan
@Erhan except the 69, i'm not so sure i understood a word.
- Nir Ben Yona
@Nor In Turkish..."oha" means "nice". : ) and the second comment is "there are 69 web services, but non of them were about a web service that I told to my friend @Gürkan yesterday."
- Erhan Erdogan
For the record, I like the 'bird' :)
- Charlie Anzman
I'll have to check this later
- Kamilah Gill
twshot was added to list,i think it's 70 now :)
- Harun Pekşen
@Harun : )
- Erhan Erdogan
@Harun actually it's already 80 and still counting :)
- Nir Ben Yona
@Nir :)
- Harun Pekşen
'Block User' is live -- use it wisely
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Diana Valerini, Mitchell Tsai, Timo Paloheimo and 79 other people liked this
good advise!
- Susan Beebe
big advise! indeed :)
- directeur
Hey Paul questions: if I block a user I stay subscribed to him? It means it is a polite way of unsubscribing to someone? Why not just unsubscribe? Thanks
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Isn't that too close to "Unsubscribe"?
- João Almeida
You get a warning message after you click Block
- Bwana ☠
Unsubscribe to a user this will still make that user's contributions visible if he/she's a friend of a friend. blocking him will make him disapear like a shadow in the night
- directeur
Loic, it's a two way block. You can't see them, and they can't see you. Posts or comments. It's much more powerful than Unsubscribe. It's mainly for abusive users and trolls.
- Bwana ☠
ah I understand from the message the user won't get anything I post so it does not let him subscribe to you anymore, what does the user get as a message then?
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
So far, I've used it twice. I don't think I'll need it anymore. I can quit anytime I want. :)
- ha3rvey, not a sweetheart
Paul ! Humanum "Documentus" Est! :) Please explain us the feature
- directeur
what does block do ? is it just UI Based or does it also filter the RSS feed (4 blocked user) plus the email alert for that user too ? plus I echo Loic's question !!
- Peter Dawson
Not sure Loic. The exact message from the warning is: "After blocking this user, you won't see any of their posts or comments on FriendFeed, and they won't see anything you post. If they're subscribed to you, that subscription will be removed."
- Bwana ☠
It's a much less polite way of unsubscribing, Loic. It's closer to a restraining order :). The idea is to create mutual disengagement -- enable people who don't get along to stay separated. For example, if there is someone who posts rude comments on your feed, you may want to block them.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: But, say, if he still insults you on your posts (when he's blocked) others will his comments?
- directeur
Blocked users can't see (or comment on) your posts, directeur.
- Paul Buchheit
I wonder - when someone will make a "who'se blocked me on ff" application. : ) Is it possible technically?
- Erhan Erdogan
Paul, thanks, but I was wondering if they have that possibility through an other app using the api for eg.
- directeur
What I really want is just the ability to say that I "Didn't Like" something. Don't want to block people, just let FF know better about what I don't like.
- David Recordon
Reputation and feedback features on FF would be great, but block is a start.
- Bill Sodeman
Block is cool, but I agree, if FF could learn what I like and what I don't -- even better!
- Eric Hamilton
Please @TweetJeebus: no reputation features. They all suck.
- Chris Baskind
I tried to thank Tudor for this but he said I should thank you, Paul. So thanks!
- EricaJoy
thanks Paul, I see, it is like "divorce" :)
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
BullShit you Blocking out Knowledge! Go Back to your Cave if you do not want feedback!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But comments don't happen on posts exclusively, it will also be on tweets, and diggs and stumbles and shared items - blocking someone out really isn't a sensible filter
- Andy Beard
Andy is very correct! Blocking someone will just infuriate them against you!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
wow "56 other people liked this"
- Tyler Gillies
Used it twice so far; I hope I don't need to use it more.
- Benjamin Golub
Now only removing contacts in Linkedin is missing.
- Amit Morson
thanks - just used it, and feel I like it ;)
- A.T.
It seems to me the two-way nature of this feature makes the "A-listers" (and anyone else for that matter) that much more powerful - they can essentially decide who gets to participate in insightful discussions taking place in response to items they shared (but not necessarily created, such as a blog post written by them). Many great discussions tend to develop around shared items of the...
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- Aviv
@aviv - Does FF have A-listers in the usual sense? I mean, I look at my feed, then look at the "everyone" tab and there is zero overlap. If there were dominant A-listers I'd expect them to fill the "everyone" feed. Instead FF seems to be creating a graph consisting of disconnected cliques. Which is a good thing, in my opinion, but I'd love to see the data to back my hypothesis up.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - I think it does to some extent. Look at your Best Of for the day and tell me what you think :)
- Aviv
@aviv -- What do you mean? My Best Of right now contains ... let me check .. Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit, Kevin Fox, Mike Arrington, Jeremy Zawodny, Matt Cutts. Oh wait. : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - that's exactly my point. Say you love discussing anything-FriendFeed, but Bret and Paul seem to think you're being too sarcastic in your comments around FF. They don't think you're abusing the service, of course, but they prefer not seeing your stuff for a while, and so they block you. Does that mean you should be left out of FriendFeed discussions that develop around their...
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- Aviv
@aviv - Bret and Paul probably will start ignoring me -- my S/N ratio is very low. : ) But they wouldn't block me, they'd hide me. Block is more drastic -- it could have been called "report abuse". Which might have been a better name to avoid confusion about when and where it should be used. Re comment stream aggregation across similar urls: I can only imagine this hasn't been exposed yet because of the UI challenge, not because of technology or philosophy.
- DeWitt Clinton
Wouldnt it be good if Block link is available on small popup as well that shows up on hovering person's name?
- Jigar Mehta
DeWitt - still I'm sure less FF-savvy users will take the consequences of the blocking feature more lightly. Going back to my original concern - does this leave too much power in the hands of the "A-listers" (or subscriptionally-gifted individuals ;)? I'm not trying to criticize any of them or their intentions obviously, just trying to see if this is a concern FF considered when the...
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- Aviv
Jigar - not necessarily. I would imagine FF expects each user to carefully consider the consequences of a Block, and so it would make sense to force you to first see a user's actual feed before making a decision. This could prevent blocking that's based on emotions raised by a single recent comment you stumbled upon. I think. :)
- Aviv
I just added my FriendFeed page (http://friendfeed.com/duncanr...) to my email signature. I bet others will be as well in the coming months. Much easier than a list of blogs and other services
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I've rigged up a Friendfeed dashboard on my blog at http://billso.com/friendfeed - works just as well.
- Bill Sodeman
from twhirl
I once had Twitter in my signature, but it has basically died for me. I currently have LinkedIn, but I think FriendFeed will replace it.
- Ben Parr
@billsodeman nice
- Duncan Riley
I already added it to my signature as well.
- Robert Scoble
Did that a couple days ago as well (+ LinkedIn, + my blog).
- Hutch Carpenter
I've had my blog and LinkedIn, adding FriendFeed manually the last few days, just now added to signature.
- AJ Kohn
sounds like a huge win for friendfeed - normally people pay to remove ads from email signatures (hotmail, yahoomail, etc)
- cayley vos
I haven't tried putting such social networks information in my signature before. I wonder what the effect will be, considering that I interact with non-geeks most of the time, and the geeks I interact with already knows I am on FriendFeed.
- Winston Teo
Hmm.. that's a good idea. I currently have my i-name (=wil) as my .sig but maybe I should point that at my FriendFeed profile.
- Wil
I recently put it on a resume for the school newspaper here. editor wanted to see some writing. I pointed him here
- BCK
retweeting: @twibble btw, twitter has raised the api rate limit a little. It's 50 req/h (per user) now: http://tinyurl.com/6aokss
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mediabistro.com: TVNewser"NBC's Tim Russert Dies After Suffering Heart Attack" - http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewse...
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:(
- Internet's Tad
His voice and commentary will certainly be missed in the upcoming Presidential Election. A big loss in journalism.
- Fred Neil
Oh wow. I couldn't believe it when I read this. Tim you were excellent at what you did and I thoughly enjoyed your commentary.
- Keith - @tsudo
from twhirl
: ( indeed. i'm still shocked. He was only 58.
- Robert Seidman
so incredibly sad. sunday mornings will never be the same.
- Sam Harrelson
from twhirl
:(
- Cyndy
:(
- Aprille
:-(....
- Susan Beebe
Robert - Should have know you'd have this before I posted it. 58 .. whew. (Think I'll go work-out). Various voices on Gabe Rivera's 'other' Meme here http://www.memeorandum.com/080613...
- Charlie Anzman
That is just aweful. He was one of the best newsmen on television
- Chris Patterson
The one political talk show host I'd want to spend time with. Untimely in a lot of ways.
- Tom Landini
TR was one of the best, and authentic to the core--a real loss
- mark ivey
He'll be missed. I went to Boston College and he was on campus all the time due to his son attending. I hope the BC community pulls together for his family.
- Frankie Warren
I'm just wondering if "Liked" is a good word for stories like this, maybe "Noted" would be better?
- Chris Nuttall
For anyone that's interested in politics, this is a great loss. I'm so sad.
- Eric Thompson
just so sad. Russert was a guy who, when you watched him, you always knew he was going to hold someone accountable for their answers and he wasn't gonna throw softballs. He will truly be missed in my living room on Sunday morning
- Greg
very sad news indeed
- Jaimini
Unicorn - Yahoo! News Photos - http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos...
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"The one-year-old Roe Deer - nicknamed 'Unicorn'' - was born in captivity in the research center's park in the Tuscan town of Prato, near Florence, Gilberto Tozzi, director of the Center of Natural Sciences, said. He is believed to have been born with a genetic flaw; his twin has two horns."
- Jess Lee
Unicorns do exist!
- Tobias Boonstoppel
How to Better Manage FriendFeed for Relevance - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Edd McArdle, Dan Byler, RyanEs and 64 other people liked this
really like the idea of being able to rank friends so that you don't miss out on stuff from less 'popular' users
- Frederic
Interesting thought Thomas. So maybe the ranking you apply to a user could be a multiplier against the FriendFeed algorithm that determines the "best of" sequence. Higher rankings will drive these users higher on your "best of" pages.
- Hutch Carpenter
that's it exactly Hutch. It would be pretty simple to do (I think) and I'd be surprised if the FF folks haven't already thought of this. Ranking users on a scale from 1 to 100 would be your own subjective filter into their "best of" system that would result in a far more engaging and engrossing "best of" discovery page.
- Thomas Hawk
similar attention profiles? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Erhan Erdogan
When you apply it to search it becomes the most powerful of all. It's going to take FF a few years to really index the web through their social filter in a meaningful way, but in the end FF could be far more powerful as a search engine than a social network or social media aggregator.
- Thomas Hawk
Erhan, APML focuses on topics, not people. What Thomas is suggesting is that a person, regardless of their content, could be ranked higher than another person. It's up to you, as a subscriber, to determine how interesting that person is.
- Mark Trapp
I read a comment on a previous post here on FriendFeed mentioning that more than a third of discussions on FriendFeed probrably are _about_ FriendFeed... Most of the items where there are a lot of replies have something to do with FF. I wonder if this service is going to become way less interesting when people finally get bored of talking about the service. What happens when you run out of "nothings" to say?
- Jonathan Sterling
Yes, right! IMHO APML is by far more interesting than "ranking" people with notions like karma or such. I'm on the Internet because I want/like/hate/need stuff and it's about these stuff, it's about me first. Then may come other things like friendship and sociability. I'm not against teh "Social" word, of course. I'm for the "me" word that tends to disapear a little bit... :)
- directeur
Jonathan, you're following the wrong people (as curt as that sounds). If you expand who you follow to people outside the social media echochamber, you find a lot of posts about a wide range of topics.
- Mark Trapp
directeur, we all have relationships with people, not topics. Dehumanizing social media doesn't solve the issue.
- Mark Trapp
@Thomas: Interesting. Sounds a bit like a souped up StumbleUpon or Del.icio.us. Different ways at attacking the question of how to bubble up the best of a topic. The time element is the bit that always makes it difficult IMO.
- AJ Kohn
Mark: I'm with you, I really do. But what defines "friendship" is our common interests, don't you think? I'm not about dehumanizing the web :)
- directeur
Jonathan that's the thing though. Those are the most popular discussions based on likes comments etc. but not the most relevant. Allowing people to rank users would filter more of the most popular out and bring more of the most relevant in. I might not care what 99% of my contacts had for lunch today. But I might care about what my wife did even though it's not popular or more broadly generally interesting.
- Thomas Hawk
Directeur, Interests are what might lead to a friendship, but friendship is not completely defined by one's interests. I might meet a friend at a great italian deli, and we hit it off. A few years down the road, he tells me, "Man, I'm tired of italian food." He doesn't suddenly stop being my friend. There's a link between us, after the friendship has been established, that transcends any list of interests.
- Mark Trapp
Do you propose this simply for the "best of" or for your actual feed as well?
- Frankie Warren
@Mark,@Thomas I don't think like you. I said similar content followers/like'rs/commenters are owners of your best points in Thomas's idea. This will be possible with creating real attention profiles with all your interests in FF.
- Erhan Erdogan
Frankie, it would be the algorithm's job to sort out ranking and relevance. But your subjective rank for a person would be a very significant component that went into the algorithm. Think about it this way. Your brother twits, "I just bought a new car." Most people are not interested in this but you probably are. Even more than the 18 popular posts about twitter, google, apple and FF. By letting you rank your brother 100, you ensure that you see that ahead of the other stuff.
- Thomas Hawk
Mark, yes that's true, but it's only because you have other "interests" that keep your friendship alive. The day where you don't have no, and I mean NO interest that connects you, that day will be the end of your friendship. Moreover, online friendship and real-life one are a little bit different. We may define those interests, maybe we just can't express them, but they still are here
- directeur
Erhan, APML does not solve a very real problem people have: they have a bunch of friends and people they find interesting they want to follow, and are inundated by an inability to say "I like this person more" or "this person is more important to me." If you look at MySpace or Facebook: who are most people following? Their friends. That's what people care about. I think Thomas's suggestion happens to be a good one to help solve that problem on Friendfeed.
- Mark Trapp
I have a kind of "manual" friend ranking system. I subscribe to the ones whose posts I most often click through, like or comment. Other users I find interesting but who I don't want in my main feed get their feeds subscribed to with Google Reader. On top of that, I have a few folders on my bookmarks toolbar, each containing a list of links to friendfeeders' feeds pertaining to a field of interest or set of relationships. I call it efficient stream absorbtion
- Slappy Line
directeur, I don't know what to tell you. A friendship on that superficial level isn't a real friendship. I'm not interested in dehumanizing people into a list of interests: people are ends in and of themselves, not means for me to extract information.
- Mark Trapp
Some good ideas in there. It would be nice to have a hand in "what is relevant to me".
- Joel Gray
Mark: Maybe ULML (http://userlabor.org) may do this, but for interests -the things that mostly gather us- nothing equals APML I think.
- directeur
APML does not solve the filtering problem: people don't reduce everything into a list of interests. It's a square peg trying to fit in a round hole.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: i'm speaking about the programs, the software we use... I think you got me wrong. In real life I don't rank my friends, I even have friends that don't share any interests with me. I'm talking about programs, about apps like FF or other social web apps. these apps need a formal way to know who you are, and who I am, because, for that app, I should be what I like/hate
- directeur
@Mark : ) I really don't care about contents are my friends' or not. And don't want to share with my all other followers. For this focus should be content. I think you need a niche FriendFeed like BestFriendFeed.com ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: me I do, If my best friend *here* talks about Britney Spears, I won't like to comment, click, or "Like" it. I just don't care. Period. But if an unknown person talks about Coltrane, or Dizzy, I'm here to say loudly that I LOVE them :)
- directeur
When you are online or offline, you're dealing with human beings. That fact doesn't simply just become irrelevant when you use software. When I hang out with my friends at a bar or whatever, they are the same people there as they are when they message me on Facebook or Twitter or Friendfeed. I want to know what they are up to, moreso than what you're doing or what Robert Scoble's doing or anyone else, even if they are talking about the same thing your'e talking about. What they say has more value to me.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: we're a little bit different. That's not to say that I don't have friends or that I don't care about them... No, but I'm a coder (just like you I guess) and whatever we say, we always need formal ways to (re)define things that we borrow to the real life.
- directeur
directeur, you could still rank non friend people of interest highly. It would be entirely customizeable. If a stranger consistently blogged about things of interest, you could always rank them 100 too. It would be up to you to apply ratings as your relevance filter. I'd be very interested, for instance, in a pro photographer if they posted lots about photography even though they were not my best friend.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas think this is a great idea although "technically: I can't contribute to the conversation. Blindly hoping algorithms are my friend :D
- Mark Forman
Thomas: Exactly, that's a big advantage of attention profiling. I'm a jazz lover, So I'm very likely to be a friend for other jazz lovers, and filters like these will help me find such "interesting" people. Not that others are not worth my consideration, but we may exchange a lot more when we have the same interests
- directeur
APML is like discovery for interesting information: like Thomas, he's got an APML profile which weighs pro photography very high. Feeds it into a service and it tells him a bunch of people who he might match (like Toluu, for people). He says "man, John Doe is really cool. I'm going to subscribe to him." That's where APML leaves off. John Doe isn't merely defined by pro photography, but that's what got Thomas interested in him. But now that he's interested in him, he wants to know more about John Doe.
- Mark Trapp
This is a brilliant idea -- personally weighted "best of" summaries.
- Dewald Pretorius
So APML's solution is to say "forget everything about all my friends other than my interests:" It's not that simple. I hate car talk, so I'd rate the keyword car really low. My friend just got a new car: I want to know about that, but I won't because my interest in cars is low. It doesn't solve my original filtering problem.
- Mark Trapp
Yes Mark, we agree on this, and that's what I just said too... BUT we discover future online-friends through the _content_ they share/publish or are interested in.
- directeur
If you agree with me, I don't understand why you and your feedego team try to push APML every time filtering comes up. It doesn't help filtering subscriptions _I already have._
- Mark Trapp
Wouldn't it be possible to get around all this and create a personalized list of items that are personalized according to a ranking system. But at the same time keep a river of news view. That way we keep our subscriptions while allowing a second view of the same information through the prisim of our ranks. FF already does some of this through their best of sections and their rooms. So...
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- Roberto Bonini
My interest in new cars are very low as well. In fact I could care less if someone got a new car. But if my *brother* bought a new car I'd be interested, even if mildly. But in general we are more interested in some people than others for a myriad of reasons, family, friend, common photography passion, romantic involvement, whatever. The point is by ranking them you could better assist an algorithm in discovering and searching that content.
- Thomas Hawk
Fun! I will create a new google docs file :p We must go on there - because we want to draw something and write a little longer :-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: Feedego is NOT a social thing. It's really about ego. There's no friendship in feedego. I agree with you on the fact that APML helps you *discover* interesting future friends. I advocate APML in general because I do belive in it, and filtering IMO is a concrete example on what APML may serve. Don't you think?
- directeur
Roberto, exactly, "best of" by relevance would not *replace* the current "best of" river by sheer popularity. It would just be another optional view. Same goes with search. But i think it would likely be more interesting and relevant than the current best of.
- Thomas Hawk
Directeur: No, it's not! You yourself agreed: APML solves filtering in the discovery phase, it does NOTHING for the content I'm already getting. Take the car example: how does APML not fail, spectacularly, when handling that?
- Mark Trapp
P.S. I'm the only feedego guy on Friendfeed btw :) People talking about APML aren't members of feedego, they just like APML, like I do :)
- directeur
I'm in directeur :( So bad - hearing such a thng like this from you :-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: I've never said " it does NOTHING for the content I'm already getting" ! I told you That ME "directeur" am not like you "Mark" and I won't care about anything about "Britney Spears" be it a content submitted, loved or whatever by my best friend. We're different on this Mark
- directeur
At this point, I'd love to have an APML profile just to block every time someone mentions APML.
- Mark Trapp
Erhan: I meant you aren't in the feedego staff :)
- directeur
Mark: Ah! see?
- directeur
@All :-)) Thanks for discussion. But this is end of our comment limits ;-) @Mark all of the things would be together ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: sorry to annoy you, I really didn't meant that. But a last example for the road: See? Me and you have had many misunderstandings in others discussions... That's it... wer'e human... But the next time I'll see you talking about APML I'll be interested, because you have an objective point of view, maybe different than mine, but I'll be interested in what you'll have to say.
- directeur
You could achieve the same by collecting and analyzing a person's clickstream data without asking that persons's personal ratings for his/her topics of interest. My guess is that that is what Google is trying to do with the clickstream data of its users who opt for the option of complete Google "personal history" record. It is a scary thought to let Google know about every click one...
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- Javed Alam
Big point Javed and yes APML supports this already, that's called "implicit concepts", the others are "explicit" ones. And yes, an application may smartly create a profile from your behavior, but implicit concepts can't be really reliable without something explicitely given by the user.
- directeur
@Javed That's all good for conjunction between APML and Thomas's point alg. ;-) But as you said we should see datas after researches ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
I like this notion of relevance. I imagine the "best of" stream could also be re-ranked based on your personal stats of who you find interesting, negating the work of manually ranking your relationships.
- Andrew Smith
Mark: take it easy man! I didn't started the thing with APML, Erhan did :) And I'm not shoving APML down everyone's throats. You still say "we", "everyone". You're free to do this of course, but I personally never use "we" online. That's maybe the main difference between us, and that's indeed what separates our points of views, but still, I never see you as a woe... You're a guy who has his own opinions, I have mine and it's okay. (Even when you delete the comment to which this one is a reply)
- directeur
@directeur Okayyy. I'm boomer ;-) Heheh! You're funny ; ) I subscribed to Mark - see you in his new comments - we will always punish you ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Great idea Thomas. It reminds me a bit of how I started to organize my RSS feeds into categories based on levels of interest rather than topics. That way, I could do a better job of keeping up on the blogs that were important to me.
- Jeff Smith
Great idea. I study within artificial intelligence and I can definitely say scoring and quantifying this data is the way to a more effective and efficient network. Another question though, do you find it depressing that you're blog has no comments - but FF has over 53?
- CannonGod
Great post. Also see an earlier thread I started discussing more or less the same concept - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Aviv
Twhirl with top Friendfeed support (rooms, inline comments, avatars) just released! - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
Joshua Galloway, Atul Arora, Patrick Chanezon and 64 other people liked this
Hey - I like it! Could you add support for opening a new tab when right clicking links? I hate how it overrides my current page!
- Zach Landes
from twhirl
I really like the new FF features. Can't wait to see Seesmic added to the mix.
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
Great update - thanks to Marco!
- Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe
from twhirl
rambn - click on the twhirl icon (top left) then click "Update" tab, then "Check for Update"
- Thomas Knoll
from twhirl
really liking this update
- Josiah Lau
from twhirl
love the ability to scroll through comments
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
Sweet!
- Tom
Tony, Seesmic is coming in a few weeks. Morgan thanks, Garrido it is coming, Ed thanks, rambn yes auto update close it you will see, Zachary working on that, Dana me too!, Marco yes Marco rocks, Josiah thanks, Dave it is not in this one, thanks Sam, Danish and Tom
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
so twhirl >> alert thingy??
- Josiah Lau
from twhirl
I am a big fan of Twhirl and it keeps getting better
- Mark Nassal
from twhirl
WOWOWOWOW ... You guys are putting your release schedule on steriods! code monkies!!! I like all the new feature improvements! keep up the good work!
- Susan Beebe
This caused me to dump alert thingy even though there are differences. Always liked Twhirl too bad it has picked up some hiccups from Twitter which is already the meme of legend in these parts...
- Mark Forman
I'm in! This will def cause me to use friend feed more.
- Evan Travers
from twhirl
This is a nice feature. Just upgraded to the new version to use this. But your blog is never unblocked by the Great Firewall here.
- Jianjun Zhang
from twhirl
Comments inline work well, but make it hard to keep a track of whats going on. I guess thats more of a FF issue tho, nested conversations are much more complex than the flat twitterlike comments.
- Steve Mactaggart
from twhirl
and try the pic share feature, it takes a few seconds to do what really looks like like a short blog post, a pic, a text and a link et voila!
- Loic Le Meur
Loic, great update to twhirl, clean interface, more intuitive
- Ralph Poole
from twhirl
Nice update! Is there any shortcuts for Twhirl??
- Alex Sauceda
from twhirl
Still not like the interface. Still not see the reason why we need a specific app for friendfeed. Some stuff could be sorted via a easy firefox extension e.g. notification.
- Benjamin Kohler
from twhirl
I'm not sure about this, but my main concern.. why does my FF feed in Twhirl look almost completely different than what I see on the web? Am I the only one seeing this?
- felix
Love the new changes - a few issues still with the commenting. It remembers the past comment when I write a new one instead of clearing the box, and it also clears out my comment box every time the feed refreshes.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Great new features. Testing it out now.
- Corvida
FriendFeed is going to be seeing a lot more activity because of this. Cheers to the Twhirl team!
- Mark Frost
from twhirl
Just tested it.. amazing.. thx for the update
- BRIAN RITCHIE
from twhirl
Instead of two windows, give me two tabs like gtalk (browser)
- Mrinal Desai
Great update. Good work.
- Bernd Sailer
from twhirl
Really like the updates Loic!
- Parth Awasthi
well - i´m still not sure, if I should prefer AlertThingy or Twhirl ;)
- Dieter Schwarz
from twhirl
Does Friendfeed make Google Reader less relevant or more?
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for me all those social lifestream sites, killed the RSS reader long time ago...
- Orli Yakuel
It's made it less relevant for me. By the time I get to a story in Greader, it's already been shared several times over in Friendfeed. I mainly use Greader to bookmark stories for later now.
- Mark Trapp
I'm neutral on this one, Steve. My Google Reader habits haven't changed since I started using FriendFeed.
- Bryan Person
I haven't found enough people yet for it to replace Google Reader. Lots of tech stuff here, but not the spectrum that I subscribe to in Google Reader
- Bwana ☠
They are both MicroMeme trackers http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
- Jeremiah Owyang
Full text feeds, archiving, flagging and tagging keep me in my reader. But now I see stuff here first.
- Steve Rubel
More for me because it gives a wider audience for micro-blogging via Shared items.
- Lee Stranahan
from Alert Thingy
I think it adds more meaning to the shared items.
- Mike Wills
Less for some, more for others.
- Mike Reynolds
It has the same relevance, because it is finely tuned to my likes and dislikes. A social network... even of peers... can never replicate that. So while FF works nicely for breaking news, it won't replace the depth of knowledge I acquire from Reader
- Jamie
less. except your statement presumes that Google Reader was relevant. not.
- dave mcclure
Less for some items discussed by subscirbers and more for topics I am passionate about.
- Gerry Garcia
I might say just a bit, when twitter came along, that's where the news were breaking, the same is with friendfeed maybe even more, but good old reading of feeds is different and still part of the game
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@Jaime - well said...thank you.
- JA Castillo
The same. Google Reader is an essential element of FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
@Lee I agree re. shared items.@Dave Google Reader is second to Bloglines.
- Steve Rubel
I think it really adds to GReader. I share stuff all the time now with notes and its great to see it get out there and spark some conversation. It's not quite there yet to replace GReader from a usability perspective but if it did get there I would probably switch to it.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
FF makes GReader more relevant for me. I see stories here first. I use my reader as a way to catch up on news that I may have missed.
- Alex Williams
I tried to go all FriendFeed, but found I was missing too many stories...so I'm back to using both.
- Chris Rossini
They serve different purposes for me.
- Jeff "RESPRES" Turner
from Alert Thingy
The uses are different. My primary use of Google Reader is to gather together the content I need to read. That doesn't necessarily equate to a need to solicit the reactions of others to that content. FriendFeed is handy if I do feel a need to gather reactions. But I cannot see myself giving up one for the other.
- Jill O'Neill
More relevant and useful. Reader serves as a content delivery system will FF serves as an excellent aggregator and recommendation system.
- Keith - @tsudo
from twhirl
Less, but not obsolete
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Depends. For me, neither has a significant impact on the other. At least not yet.
- Mike Keliher
I think they are complementary in the sense that some things just don't do well in FriendFeed. I want to be able to read all of my tech news, but the friendfeed river is time-based which makes it more difficult to keep track of.
- Rob Diana
I don't think it makes it less, necessarily. After all, *someone's* got to find a story initially, right?
- Sean Goller
FriendFeed and Twitter have nearly replaced GReader for me. The trusted human filter beats scanning through 100s of posts daily to get to a gem. Hopefully not all will stop using them or the great posts will eventually dry up. Based on other comments here I might cull my subscriptions and then share more. P2P-like over me just taking and taking.
- Jay Gilmore
Less; until Reader becomes as social.
- Stowe Boyd
For my personal workflow, Google Reader feeds my blogs as well as FriendFeed. So I vote for "more." It seems easier to track shared items on Google Reader than liked items on FriendFeed.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
More, for depth (and because FF adds meaning to share). But FF has it for discovery of new stuff.
- Eric Johnson
@Thomas Ho - haha...so true!
- JA Castillo
I almost completly stopped using RSS reader. I use FriendFeed and one custom news page on NetVibes....via feedalizr
- Shahar Nechmad
I don't feel it's made it less relevant, I come across blogs here that I wasn't aware of and add them to my subscriptions there!
- Joe Dawson
I want to be able to mark FF treads and ditch the ones I have viewed. Until then, I have to use my reader.
- morten saxnaes
using both but finding that I'm starting to use Google Reader differently. More like a discovery device by following search-based feeds and then using FriendFeed to follow specific humans.
- Marnie Webb
Google reader is simply another source of data for Friendfeed to aggregate. The environments can exist independent of each other. The wonderful thing about Friendfeed is that you can continue to use all your applications/data sources and have them automatically collected and displayed. Applications such as Flickr, Google Reader, and Youtube have become popular because they are good at doing specific tasks. An aggregator does not make those applications irrelevant.
- Mark Nassal
Less relevant.
- Svartling
I still use GR occasionally, but most of my information comes from FF. Digg usage way down too......via feedalizr
- David Sim
I use gReader to follow blogs I can't find in FF. Also as a discovery tool, because sometimes I share stuff from there here. Sometimes directly with gRader and sometimes using the bookmarklet. I'm using it less because of FF, though (I deleted a lot of Tech blogs subscriptions the other day).
- Alejandro
I prefer GReader to FF. It's less cluttered than FF. With FF I check in to see the things I missed in my feeds.
- Snay Trivedi
I primarily use GReader - it's easier to locate information. I just come over to FF to see what "friends" are doing.
- Kim
I agree with Snay and Kim. Comparing the 2 is like apples and oranges unless you simplify the scenario to include only breaking tech news. My scope spans far beyond that and I can't get the health, auto, environment, local, mountain bike and personal blog articles in FF that I subscribe to in GReader. I don't consider it a replacement but another way of getting information.
- Jon West
But what about using imaginary friends to pipe rss feeds in? Doesn't that allow for archiving, searching, and commenting....?
- Daniel Berman
Daniel: Yes, that's what I do in 2 of my friendfeed groups: http://friendfeed.com/newspage and http://friendfeed.com/clipote...
- Svartling
Services that have underwhelmed since being bought by Google - Dodgeball, Jaiku, JotSpot, and Feedburner. Blogger has merely disappointed.
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Is there a corresponding Microsoft list? Products/services that have underwhelmed after being bought by Microsoft?
- Brian Sullivan
I don't think Feedburner has changed since Google acquired them. Meaning they were underwhelming to start with? Is Dodgeball even around any more?
- Scott Koon
Scott, FeedBurner has failed to fix long standing bugs and actually lost features since being bought by Google. The only announcements have been making PRO features free (duh) and AdSense to feeds (who cares?).
- Dare Obasanjo
How dare you imply that Google is not the perfect hacked mecha and source of all that is nerdly good and purely altruistic. Release the hounds!
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
They should ask Microsoft how to use acquired companies and transform them into something better. Except, not. (Think Lookout.)
- sebmos
Dare, what's an example of a long-standing FeedBurner bug? It works great for me.
- Matt Cutts
Matt, an example of a long standing bug is that 'single page traffic results' always show 0 hits for me. Try going to http://www.feedburner.com/fb...<your-feedburner-id>&i=<url-to-a-page-on-your-site> and tell me what you see.
- Dare Obasanjo
I disagree with the feedburner reference. I find it very useful. But it was that way before Google acquired it.
- Michael Carter
http://xrl.us/bmazc twitter is totally f#(%ed
- Noah David Simon
I actually agree here - we either see failures or less new features into acquired services. So the questions are: why we invariably congratulate our friendly startups' founders on acquisitions and why so many startups only launch with Google acquisition in mind?
- Svetlana Gladkova
That's because VCs like Paul Graham have convinced lots of people that built-to-flip is the only viable business model in bubble2.0. Lots of these start-ups aren't built with the idea of making enough money to cover their costs let alone being sustainable businesses that generate profit.
- Adewale Oshineye
163 tickets to LeWeb were sold mostly using Friendfeed and Twitter at the very early below our cost price for friends. This is an amazing story had this represents about $200K of sales, allowing us to cover the room and all the costs to prepare the conference, without any marketing, just with our friends who trust LeWeb Geraldine and myself to put... - http://www.amiando.com/leweb08...
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That's $300,000 worth of tickets. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
163 tickets to LeWeb were sold mostly using Friendfeed and Twitter at the very early below our cost price for friends. This is an amazing story allowing us to cover the room and all the costs to prepare the conference, without any marketing, just with our friends who trust LeWeb Geraldine and myself to put together something cool. Check the list of who is coming on the attached link....
more...
- Loic Le Meur
weird behaviors with long texts on Friendfeed which I had never tried. When Friendfeed tries to replace a blog post :)
- Loic Le Meur
That's what I love about it - you never have to blog about a link again. All new news gets blogged, and all opinions on news go to FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Loic, you need to help me pitch my editors on send me to Le Web, if anything to get my French back up to par. ;-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, let me know how I can help you!
- Loic Le Meur
amazing .. wish you had nonprofit scholarships
- Beth Kanter
Loic, sent you a D on twitter...if I can get into the show comp'd and find cheap lodging I can probably pitch multiple angles to them. do you have some kind of speaker list yet?
- Andrew Feinberg
we are trying to be the first ones to make $1 million in revenue on Twitter and Friendfeed :)
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
I'm glad -someone- has a business model here! ;-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, no speaker list yet, we're on it and don't want to make it too early to make sure we capture the last trends. This makes me think I should invite Paul and Bret the Friendfeed founders for sure
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Loic - good call. I'll take the conversation private on this though. Definitely interested in EU perspectives on new media and especially regulation. Actually, how would you feel about a panel on US vs EU media and Internet regulation?
- Andrew Feinberg
Fantastic results using FF and twitter ... cool!! Congrats to you an the entire team!! wish I could go!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Wow. That's just amazing!
- Daynah
wish i could go
- MojiPage
I'm confused, where do I register. The link doesn't seem to have a checkout for tickets
- Ben Metcalfe
yeah Ben the amiando page is not very clear, the link to register is here http://www.amiando.com/leweb08...
- Loic Le Meur
Hahahah. Plurk is already down. Fail. And no Fail Whale, either. Double fail! Hint: if you want to be the next Twitter: stay up. Always.
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it was down this morning too, rebounded pretty nicely though for a big push tonight.
- MG Siegler
that's why Twitter may just succeed - I doubt many services are ready to compete with Twitter on an architectural level. By the time they are, so will Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
if you want to be the next twitter, just wait for SXSW next year, but still probly wont happen for you lol, the fail whale is hungry
- Anthony
Yeah, I fill cheated. Where's the picture of headless birds lifting a whale torso out of the water? :-) In all seriousness, twisted images aside, I don't see what unique offerings Plurk brings to the table.
- Joanmarie
tough crowd.
- Eric Schlissel
from twhirl
I'm sure the plunk engineers were thrilled when leo sent out a mass invite and 9:30 am on sunday morning. They were probably doubly thrilled when scoble showed up. I bet their job sucked today.
- Doug Brooks
so far so lame
- adolfo foronda
Doug, what do you mean? All new startup engineers should be ready for a mass invite by Leo, shouldn't they? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
they fell to the scoble and leo effect
- Charles Rice
from twhirl
I tried it just now and deleted my account soon afterward due to the name restrictions (had to be at least two words, it appeared). But it wasn't down.
- Voyagerfan5761
they weren't expecting all the attention, it's your fault... again... : http://blog.plurk.com/
- David Petar Novakovic
from twhirl
There's two million people on Twitter. Only about 90 have added me as friends on Plurk so far. Fail.
- Robert Scoble
down for me also from their blog: "You can rest easy knowing that every facet of Plurk is built with scaling in mind from day one"
- fbrunel
i just looked at plurk, and it scares me. what's going on in there?!
- Craig Childs
Why have I ALWAYS to be right when everyone believes at first the other thing? :) Am I a genius?
- directeur
Try FAIL fish ... blowing hard but can't blow enough bubbles!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Humor is another :)
- directeur
jesse, easier said than done.. just saying I'm glad that wasn't my sunday :) imagine waking up to that ehhe. I find the whole thing quite hilarious.
- Doug Brooks
it won't stay up long enough for me to add you robert
- marty nickel
from twhirl
yep...it's borked up and that fish is blowing so hard it's head's gonna pop off like that bone-head dog! LOL ...lameO
- Susan Beebe
if you want to be the next twitter all you have to do is stay up. that's pretty much it. someone famous once said 90% of anything is showing up - well maybe 90% of web app success is staying up.
- Morgan
Doug, oh yeah, I understand, and I feel for them. I remember waking up to hear our site was on the front page of MSN at one startup I was at several years ago. Those days were horrible days! And I was the only guy that could fix it!
- Jesse Stay
as a side note i put that poor logo's head back on :) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Doug Brooks
It was only a matter of time, seriously.
- Mack D. Male
pretty clone, but running into scalability issue way too early
- MojiPage
it's still up for me .. maybe I missed it
- John Blanton
from twhirl
You and Leo Laporte should sell your service as a "scalability audit" :)
- Katherine Druckman
How do Python and the other technologies today scale? I've heard many Ruby on Rails complaints. How about others?
- Mitchell Tsai
Shame! Python not scaling? You sure are kidding Bob? :)
- directeur
directeur, I am being facetious LOL. I know that Google is largely written in Python, so yeah it scales but even that is a silly thing to say because a language is but one small piece of the overall architecture. Likewise, people need to stop blaming Ruby on Rails for Twitter's downtime, even Twitter has came out and said as much recently.
- Bob Ngu
Bob, you're very right, but I won't compare Python to Ruby ;-)
- directeur
Hi Everyone: Twitter's instability is pushing me to FriendFeed - you can friend me up here: http://friendfeed.com/quityou...
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So for you twitter's downtime is really a tipping point eh? I know it made me make a friendfeed account.
- Jim Kukral
Yes - Twitter is quickly becoming a victim of their own success. Friend Feed doesn't seem to have the same scaling issues.
- Jeremy Palmer
Hi Jeremy, I joined FriendFeed from Twiiter this weekend for exactly the same reason. I wasn't getting all the updates from people I followed on Twitter, very frustrating if it involves the stock market and trading. I need more reliable service.
- Boca
Now that I've seen comments on FriendFeed, I want them more on Twitter. (I wanted them before.)
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Twitter comments shouldn't too hard to implement either. Just connect a tweet to the one you click Reply on.
- Dewald Pretorius
Why not just replace Twitter with FriendFeed? At least they dont have those images with Fish out of water!!
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
just started using Jaiku and the comments is one of the things I really like about it
- jason burton
What is there in jaiku, which is not there in FriendFeed ! ?
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
Jigar, don't know yet about Jaiku vs FF. I just joined like 30 minutes ago.
- jason burton
I like Jaiku, but I have used Twitter way more and as such, have a lot more followers, etc. Google should just buy out Twitter, and intergrate the two services....via feedalizr
- Nick
If FF had SMS integration I would be down for that :)
- Drew Lucas
Dave, it's called Jaiku and Google owns it. What now?? ;)
- Barbara K. Baker
I think SMS thing on FriendFeed would be overkill.. I am sure, I will have to resign first!!
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
What made me say that is that I saw that Shel Israel said something that I could add a little info to. Nothing earth shaking, but probably something he'd like to know. If I @reply to him, 10,000 people will see it. That's not the same thing as dropping a little comment under his twit. And no I can't do it on FF because he posted it on Twitter, not FF.
- Dave Winer
Dave, some possible solutions: 1) Create an "imaginary" Shel on FF, import his Twitter feed, and reply to it at FF. 2) If the reply is only for him, send him a direct Twitter reply using "d [username]" instead of "@username". 3) Tell him to come on over here to FF -- the water's fine.
- Erik Dafforn
Sure I'm going to do all that for a trivial but useful little comment. (Sarcasm alert.)
- Dave Winer
@davewiner with the FF XMPP bot, you can chat in FF rooms just like in Twitter http://mojipage.com/pages/bot/
- Wil
http://xrl.us/bmazc tweets totally f#(%ed twitter
- Noah David Simon
Why "is twittering" does not appear in Facebook status?: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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I prefer that it doesn't!
- Joe Dawson
Facebook automatically filter it out, which makes sense...
- Jamie
Was a poll conducted by Ev asking users to remove or leave it, majority voted to remove
- Kushtrim Xhakli
because Twitter is never up long enough for it to work
- Duncan Riley
http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll... here is why
- Kushtrim Xhakli
I always wondered that - evil conspiracy methinks
- Nigel Eccles
Am I the only one who have ? (sorry for my english)
- Nicolas Gosset
from twhirl
i think this is a mistake. the status becomes hardly undestandable: or they should apply some kind of colour change to make it more readable. one for the nickname on FB and one for the text
- Ouriel Ohayon
they changed the FB/twitter interface to remove that about 2 weeks ago
- TimTheFoolMan
from twhirl
@Nicolo You use TwitterSync which is not the "official" twitter appli on facebook. @OurielOhayon May be TwitterSync is a solution...
- Steven Jambot
from twhirl
I miss "is twittering" without it the Facebook status doesn't always make sense.
- Bryan Clark
J'ai le même pb en désactivant cette appli...
- Nicolas Gosset
from twhirl
What's amazing is Twitter has really been having troubles but I'm still getting two to five Tweets every 10 seconds. Loyalty!
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such loyalty can be nails on their coffin
- bvs
It's still a great site/service and I think all of the commenting back and forth shows how much we all want Twitter to succeed and be what it should be; at least I do.
- James
Addictions are hard to break
- Charlie Anzman
at least they know they will have a userbase pretty much no matter what
- Tyler Gillies
from Alert Thingy
loyalty is partly due to the fact that twitter seems non-profit
- bvs
If those loyal customers were paying for services, you would be reading a different kind of audience reaction, I think.
- Bernie Goldbach
i would sue ;)
- Tyler Gillies
I'm still on Twitter but I can reply from Friendfeed like so... and that seems to make it better.
- Morton Fox
yeah, people who use friendfeed as a twitter client don't even notice twitters problems
- Tyler Gillies
Noise, News, Notions and Leverage - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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Good reflection Ed, plus when you comment on Friendfeed it automaticly updates Twitter, so again you save time
- Lasse
I resisted Google Reader for a long time. But when they added the option to include a note when sharing a page, I began to loosen. And when I realized the shared page would show up on Friendfeed, well, that was it.
- Tom Landini
By Jove, I think you've got it...as usual, Ed. It's what I refer to as "Economy of Action". You and Robert make the point much more eloquently than I do.
- Ron Capps
the leverage element is a really big deal...
- Ed Dale
If you the add the Alert Thingy, it really becomes a killer. But Why are you not my friend on Google reader ?
- Asbjorn Riedel
from Alert Thingy
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