"See those two screws at the bottom of the picture? If you connect those screws to a switch of some kind, and plug the whole thing into the USB port of a computer, the switch will act as a one-key keyboard. This one happens to be an Enter key."
- ⓞnor
from Bookmarklet
This is an elaborate AFD joke by Jacques, right? (Edit: by "joke", I mean I wouldn't be surprised if the description is accurate, but kind of underpromises what it can do.)
- Andrew C
Wow, he got shinydevices.com? That's a pretty good domain! Also, this device is way, way prettier than I expected. I'm really impressed by how pretty it is.
- niniane
It is kind of pretty. Who is making these?
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: When I first read "$33 for a 1 key keyboard? (minus the actual key)", I thought you were talking about an actual Apple product.
- Gabe
Having a real "any" key is probably totally worth it.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Dan was kind enough to manufacture the plastic casing pictured. It is indeed prettier than I had expected!
- Jacques Frechet
I've been thinking about hacking up a cheap USB keyboard (a la http://www.instructables.com/id... ) for a project. This device looks like it'd be easier, prettier, and possibly smaller, but $33 does seem a bit steep considering the fact that USB keyboards can be found for less than $10, and it sounds like I'd need several of these if I want to control multiple keys.
- Laurence Gonsalves
How 'bout starting with some USB dictation transcription pedals?
- Ken Sheppardson
I hadn't heard of those before. Thanks. From my searches, it looks like they're for "rewind", "play/pause" and "fast-forward". I'm guessing there are special keycodes for those? I could probably remap them to the keys I want with software, but it'd be nice if they could be more "plug-and-play" (so I could move the device between machines without having to set up mappings). Do you know if any of these transcription pedals are configurable through hardware (eg: dip switches)?
- Laurence Gonsalves
BTW: I've actually seen a few companies that made exactly what I'm looking for, but they all seem to be discontinued. This page has a bunch of links: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea...
- Laurence Gonsalves
Laurence: I'm afraid all I know about them is that they exist. Sorry.
- Ken Sheppardson
Those products from piengineering look good. A bit pricey ($119.95 for what is effectively a 3-key keyboard) but they seem to be programmable, and I guess economies of scale work against them.
- Laurence Gonsalves
If you keep increasing the pricetag you'll reach the Optimus 3 Mini, the 3-key keyboard with separate LCD screens for each key. $179.95.
- Amit Patel
Amit, I think the Optimus 3 uses OLED screens, not LCD. Presumably that's why they're so expensive.
- Gabe
The impressive part about those devices seems to be the reprogramming of the device ROM via USB directly from this web page http://shinydevices.com/setting... (check the source)
- Thomas Amberg
Hitler, holed up in his bunker, just found out about FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook. He's not very happy about it. (Thanks to Matt Mastracci for the idea!)
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
It's hilarious because right at the end when the text is about him going back to Twitter, he's actually talking about putting a bullet in his head.
- abacab
Oh man, that was entirely unintentional, too. I don't think I've ever seen the original subtitles.
- Mark Trapp
epic mark "i even remember what it was like before scoble got here" - me too, good times :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
That was better than I could have imagined.
- Matt Mastracci
OMG I laughed so hard I cried. Well done sir!
- Mark Krynsky
Well done. and all this time I figured you had no idea who the FFundercats were. Well done! I made all the parallels easily.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
"That is bullshit. I've been a member since the site went public!" - Hilarious! :D
- Meryn Stol
"Don't worry, we still have Plurk." - too funny.
- Meryn Stol
That is f'ing fabulous. Thanks for making me laugh instead of cry.
- Larry Hawes
Too funny! I did wonder if I was going to cry but I managed to make it to the end without losing it. Too bad I can't share this with anyone IRL.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
funny and sad at the same time. only peeps who have been here for the last 2+ years can totally relate. :(
- AJ Batac
WHY DOES THAT FAT KID KEEP SHOWING UP IN MY FEED?!#~
- Akiva Moskovitz
What's so funny is I've seen this hitler remix so many times, but I've never seen the real movie it's based on, it will be interesting to see how I'll perceive it.
- Ray Cromwell
Daniel: the TechCrunch comments are great; a community of Buzz Killingtons. Everyone's a historian!
- Mark Trapp
Great work Mark! So many great references.
- Mike Doeff
that was awesome. FFundercats MOW hilarious
- Alfredo
Mark, this is great... Unfortunately after seeing this I am beginning to feel a bit bummed
- Bindu Reddy
Very funny! I think I got most of it, but *alas* I don't know who/what the "Fat Kid" deal was. I must've missed that phase of FF.
- Mark It's 2000-Oh-1-Oh J
"Huawei may be the best company you've never heard of, and that's a big problem for China. Founded in 1988 by a former People's Liberation Army officer with less than $4,000 in startup capital, Huawei has grown from a small importer into a growing giant—revenue rose 43 percent last year to more than $18 billion—now poised to overtake Nokia Siemens as the world's second-largest maker of telecom hardware, after Ericsson. Even a decade ago, China watchers were touting Huawei as one of the companies most likely to become China's first big global brand. Its headquarters in booming Shenzhen look like a Silicon Valley transplant, with high-tech laboratories, manicured lawns, and staff swimming pools. It made BusinessWeek's latest list of the world's 10 "most influential" companies, alongside Apple, Wal-Mart, Toyota, and Google. Yet Huawei is by far the least internationally recognizable name on the list...."
- Rebecca MacKinnon
E-trade offers them for $25 https://us.etrade.com/e.... The way it works is that this keychain thing spits out a new number every minute, and you include that number with your password at login. Even if someone gets your password (due to a keylogger or the like), it will quickly be invalid.
- Paul Buchheit
Blizzard almost never has them in stock. Whenever they get a batch they sell out in a few hours. Apparently they work. lol
- Heather
I do not know how reliable they are now but a few years ago, the quartz in this would get out of sync for a non trivial percentage of users, which resulted in a lot of customer support issues.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
bought one for the hubby's warcraft account. he hasn't been hacked since. (nearly once every couple weeks prior to that)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I would pay for this option also and being that I run GApps at work, would also do it for all staff.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What would keep someone from writing this as an iPhone/Android app?
- Matt Cutts
It would need to hook into the Google auth system Matt. (or automatically change my password every minute, which would probably trigger some abuse system inside google)
- Paul Buchheit
Matt: Nothing, as demonstrated by Blizzard's implementation of it as a free iPhone app already. :)
- Stephen Mack
I wish this could end phishing, but it can't, because "it will quickly be invalid" doesn't help much if it's used to generate a session token the very moment it's entered. Perhaps the key should ask you what OS/browser you're using, how recently you logged in on that machine, etc. -- facts known to Google and associated with your browser session -- and generate different numbers depending on your answers. Tricky business.
- Daniel Dulitz
It doesn't solve all problems Daniel, but it does solve some. The twitter hack for example was apparently due to a guessed password or something (though I'm not up-to-date on the news, so maybe that's no longer the story).
- Paul Buchheit
Frankly, I want an RFID-like chip in my cell phone + ubiquitous RFID readers. The cell phone would also require you to type a password or PIN, so it's something you have + something you know. And there's a fake PIN that looks like it worked but causes a lockdown behind the scenes, so if you get mugged you tell people the PIN is 5555 when your PIN is really 2343.
- Matt Cutts
Paul, it's just a lot easier to make this happen if it solves the _biggest_ problem. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I think the biggest problem is that people want absolute convenience and absolute security. I have never had any personal information stolen or accounts hacked. It might be because I'm a boring person not worth stealing from, but it could also be that I don't put information all over the place. I only use my phone to make calls, I only download from well known sites, I don't allow porn...
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- Heather
I disagree with that reasoning Daniel. The phishing problem is real, but today's Twitter problem for example does not appear to have been phishing related, and probably would have been prevented by a device such as this -- is that not sufficient evidence that this solvable problem is worth solving? It also prevents people from using bad passwords, using the same password on multiple accounts, etc, which is very useful in the apps-for-your-domain context.
- Paul Buchheit
As soon as PayPal offered theirs I bought it immediately and like many others, I'm in line to get one for our two WoW accounts. I loved these as a Systems Admin where we required them to get past the firewalls if you were a remote worker.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
+1 Paul, I've been a SecureID user many years at work, and with ETrade, so I've got two, so far, but it makes you wonder if every account you used required SecureID, you'll eventually need a REALLY BIG keychain. ;)
- .LAG liked that
There is no reason why the same SecureID fob can't be used with more than one site.
- Jauder Ho
Matt Cutts: BlackBerry (maybe only BES) has had "password under duress" for a while. When enabled you swap the first and last characters of your handset password, it unlocks but also triggers admin side alerts. Quite cool, but I suspect the only people that use it will be the military :)
- Alex Lomas
jh: yeah, RSA should probably offer this as a service; get one SecurID from them, and you can register it with any site that supports it.
- Tudor Bosman
Paul, no, I don't think the fact that some hacks would be prevented by a method is sufficient reason to implement that method. Apps has supported SAML for quite a while, see http://code.google.com/apis... , so Apps admins can use auth methods of their choice including this one. If I'm going to take your $25 for a token, I'd like to make it more...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@jh, @Tudor: yeah it would be great if one SecureID could service multiple accounts for the owner, but i think each key fob is unique to the account holder and service they're issued for; some foreknowledge of the site/account the fobs will be used for is required. with the one I use at work, I signed some paperwork, sent it to Tech, and then got the fob few days later. Sounds like a potential customer-service nightmare for RSA if they when that route.
- .LAG liked that
They'd probably pick up more paid accounts. Just the concept would probably convince numerous new users.
- Charlie Anzman
Great idea! It's also a great way of branding the name if it's on a key chain of something else cool. Verisign offers it as a second layer of security on their OpenID accounts. They were charging before, but I just checked and it's free now. I'll have to get it for my account. Two-factor identification should be standard everywhere, especially on bank accounts.
- Michael Fidler
I'm waiting for Google to handle all my Internet passwords, all encrypted behind a master Google accounts password and a security calculator/keychain type of mechanism. I wouldn't perhaps need to use that physical extra security code each time I log in. It could be set to once a day, and secure login can be reset at any time during the day (if you don't feel confortable using public web terminal at a netcafe, you can simply activate secure login for any activity done after you logout.
- Charbax
Also, I believe Google should easily show me a complete log of all activities on my Google account, this way I could find out if something fishy is going on. If one is paranoid while using a public terminal, there should be a "monitor in realtime all activity" window so you can see if anything weird is going on while you are logged in and you should imediately be able to cancel/restore/logout in realtime once any of that fishy activity has been detected.
- Charbax
For $25 -- that's worth the peace of mind.
- CarolAnnB
Matt, regarding RFID: I've seen applications using bluetooth for a similar purpose. If a specific phone comes within range, the computer unlocks/wakes up/launches the missiles/etc. I'm not sure that RFID adds much, though I'm unfamiliar with how easy it is to spoof the identity of either bluetooth or RFID.
- DGentry
in case you weren't aware, there are other options for SecurID other than the fob - like the mobile app http://www.rsa.com/node... or software token (RSA is an EMC company, my employer)
- Stuart Miniman
I have my paypal key, I feel secure because of it. And it only cost me $5.
- Luis
The future of security is going to include some strong password/identity tools. Agreed on the value of the rsa key, could our smart phones generate similar sequences without risking theft?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
@Charbax: Gmail (and possibly other apps?) does show you when someone else is logged in at the same time as you are, as well as their IP. Not precisely what you're suggesting, but is still quite helpful.
- Joel Webber
surprised these things are still popular. Years ago we used them at GE and perhaps they still do... But wouldn't it be more convenient to add a dynamic part to a password with a question like your wife's age + XX, or day first child was born + XX or year this picture was taken + XX. The variation of lets say 5 questions plus a random addition or subtraction would add enough variation and security no ? curious to see this your comments.
- Bart LePoole
I have the Paypal one, and one for my BofA account. I would definitely get one for Google and for my Amazon account. *HINT*
- ha3rvey (big appetite)
Why would I want one for every account? Why can't I use the same one for all my accounts?
- Gabe
paul, that's a great idea for a start-up (btw user should have *one* item for all accounts)
- Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini
Stuart: thanks cool that rsa is proactive about it. It also looks like Matt suggested mobile devices take on this responsibility earlier in the thread
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
These tokens are mostly based on OTP solutions. Google also must consider the other options; PKI - for maksimum security (e-signatures) - And also, Google's application must be supported with most tokens regarding to its support (PKCS etc.)
- Zafer Yılmaz
"Grainy footage of outrageous exploits (bench-pressing Asian women, splashing down in a space capsule, performing trick billiards shots for turbaned companions) is accompanied by a sequence of boastful one-liners: "The police often question him just because they find him interesting," "His beard alone has experienced more than a lesser man's entire body," "His blood smells like cologne.""
- Casey Muller
from Bookmarklet
All we need now is a Soundwave external HD or laptop. EDIT: They have a Blaster one that transforms into a laptop that's actually a working USB hub: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts...
- Dan Hsiao
The Canon 1200/5.6L USM, the longest fixed telephoto lens ever built by Canon, contains 13 elements (2 Fluorite) in 10 groups and focuses down to 49.5'. With an angle-of- view of about 2° on a full-frame 35 mm camera, calling this lens a 'tele' is like calling King Kong a monkey.
- Gabe
from Bookmarklet
Would I be able to see stars and nebulas with it?
- Becca
On a Rebel XSi each pixel would be 1 arcsecond, which would give decent resolution on some nebulae. You'd be able to get awesome shots of the moon -- if you could keep it in frame.
- Gabe
"The new EF 1200 was then marketed by Canon in July, 1993 with an annual production volume of around 2 (that's right - "two") lenses. The EF 1200 L was available by special order with lead times running about 18 months. Why such a long lead time? For one reason, it takes nearly a year to grow fluorite crystals large enough to be ground and polished for use in this lens."
- bob
I was just wondering about telephoto lenses today -- a few people at the park had them, though probably not this one (they were hand held, for one).
- Paul Buchheit
The term 'telephoto' really just refers to the lens being shorter than its focal length.
- Gabe
I have drunk way too much of the ASU koolaid to have enjoyed the skewering. Then again, it's true, there are some really dumb undergrads here.
- Ryan
Nice try, Ryan. Don't think I didn't noticed how you misspelled "then" in your previous comment, and then, many hours later, went back and changed it ;)
- Ana
Gladwell: "Didn't you promise to rule on the question of whether the all-time all-white-guy basketball team could beat the all-time all-black-guy team? (Usual guidelines; six players to a side; any player from the modern era is eligible, and you get him as he played in his best season.) I think the fate of the white guys depends on whether Jason Kidd decides to call himself black or white, because the whites are going to need him to deal with Magic. (As a mixed-race guy myself, I feel uniquely qualified to rule on this.) I'm guessing he goes white, just like those Kenyan runners who move to Denmark to improve their odds of making the Olympics."
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
Haha. I remember in May 2004, when I was already the Gmail product marketing manager, but still personally using Outlook, and telling Paul that I couldn't switch to Gmail 100% until we had this feature. Paul agreed that it was reasonable. And now, 5 years later, we have it :)
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
So are you finally going to ditch Outlook now?
- Dan Hsiao
Anyway, this new feature does not work for old users, since they have stayed in Gmail for years
- Xitong Liu
fan bloody tastic! So we can post here and Twitterers can comment away without any complaints! The only think you need to try and do is bring in comments (about a share) from twitter into here! :)
- Zee.
This is great...should help new users quite a bit.
- Mark Krynsky
OK, I admit I'm dense. As an existing user will this help me find the folks I follow on Twitter?
- Laura Norvig
Cool, is it possible we could have the ability to bulk import or non-FF Twitter friends as private feeds so we can track them in FF? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Laura, existing FriendFeed users should just go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... and click on the Twittter (and Facebook and Google) icons to find their friends. Kol, not yet, but I'm hoping to add something like that soon (improved imaginary friends).
- Paul Buchheit
Thx, Paul - guess I haven't been to that page since the launch. btw, I'm definitely coming around to the new friendfeed (colors notwithstanding).
- Laura Norvig
Great to see the standards working -OAuth fro Gogole and Twitter login on Friendfeed
- Kevin Marks
That's a great tool, Paul! Found a few from Twitter and Facebook I didn't realise were on FF...:)
- WorldofHiglet
Oh man, that is suh-weet. Works really well.
- Laura Norvig
Paul, that would be wonderful, thank you. I'm keen to use FF as a kinda Twitter client. I'd love the ability to import my group I've created on Tweetvisor too but that would additionally require exporting facilities from Tweetvisor, and from asking them they've told me it's low priority (which is fair enough).
- Kol Tregaskes
That's fantastic! Sharing with all of my not-yet-friendfeedified twitter friends. Thanks, Paul!
- Eric Johnson
This IS good. Thanks for the hard work, Benjamin Golub.
- Micah Wittman
Love that you guys are making the entry more enticing. What about refining what FriendFeed is further? Like: Twitter + conversation. For new people who don't get it and most without the time to get it, simplifying the message or experimenting further with your "first impression" on your splash page might be worth a try. Example: wouldn't it be cool to have a live conversation streaming to show just how FF has a leg up on the scattered Twitter stream?
- kilbuda
WOW! 313 new Twitter people! Amazing what the OAuth did. Amazing. That just completely Rocks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That was just too easy, and found a bunch of Twitter people. I just subscribed, but I hope they participate. I'm sure I'll have to trim later.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Thanks for everything Benjamin and the others, that is really great. :)
- Alp
I was subscribed to exactly 100 of the people I follow on Twitter. Added 93 more. Funny, this is actually helping me find people I *don't* want to follow in either place.
- Laura Norvig
I'm looking forward to the "advanced imaginary friends" section which lets me as an existing FriendFeed user view all the twitter updates from people that don't use FriendFeed.
- Brian Sloane
Just posted this to my stream then saw this, Cool stuff Paul
- Charlie Anzman
Some time ago I spent lots of time in removing my Facebook-Friendfeed integration, and didn't succeed, Facebook refused to remove it. Since that - no info about any other my services to Facebook, ever.
- orie
Happy to hear that there will be an improved imaginary friend option!
- Jacob
The improved imaginary friend feature will be great. No need to visit Twitter much then!
- Pinksy
How do we give virtual bucks to Paul, oh I see a like button here. Off to work on the influence funnel, who cares about dollars, I want eyes ;)
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed is constantly bringing new value to the service. I'm loving it!
- Amie Gillingham
I just imported 8,000 new Twitter friends. Worked MUCH BETTER than last time.
- Robert Scoble
Smart move guys. A quick way to grow FF users is to tap into the current hot properties. Can't believe other Social Networks are so slow to respond.
- Neill Adamson
Paul, is there a way to sync it so that people I no longer follow on Twitter are unfollowed on FriendFeed?
- Jorge Escobar
Great news on the advanced imaginary friends. That plus the ability to comment back to Facebook posts as easily as we reply to Twitter would be killer.
- Kevin Kuphal
Ca passe 50 fois par jour ce truc là sur FriendFeed ! C''est pas possible d'arr^ter, j'en ai marre de le voir franchement ... ^^
- Jean-Marie Gall
from twhirl
@Robert cannot seem to do that with groups. What I want to do: Concentrate different RSS feeds (e.g. newswires) which do not necessarily have an account in any other social network into one imaginary friend's collection of feeds.
- Mark Jacobs
Mark, "groups" (formerly "rooms") are able to import feeds just like regular users (and imaginary friends). See https://friendfeed.com/xoogle-... for example (imports the blogs of all known xoogle startups). The only thing special about imaginary friends is that they don't have usernames (or rather we assign a random 128 bit username).
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the DM option on imaginary friends should perhaps be removed. Also, imaginary friends do not show up on the search dropdown list when you type in their name in the search box.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, is it possible to automatically create "imaginary friends" from twitter following list? What I would like is to read all my Twitter in FriendFeed; many of twitterers though are not on FF, so I have to create them by hand which is tedious. Also, it would be nice to allow to add them to some special list.
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar, see my comment up in the middle and Paul's reply. Looks like FF are working on it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Still would like an imaginary friend than making bunch of Groups to simulate peoples that doesn’t use FF. BTW, unlike the Facebook Connect login, when I tried logging in using Twitter, it made a new account for me on FF instead of opening my own (which also has Twitter activity added).
- Natsuki Seika
Anything that gives Dawn a headache is good. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
It's unusable for me, and I shouldn't have to use lists to make the service usable. There should be an option to determine how quickly your feed refreshes.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That's not too big an ask really. Also, lists are going to be pivotal, so I think the easier it is to make them, the more successful this will be.
- Will Higgins™
there needs to be smarter filtering to help the flow...it should setup some lists for me automatically
- Jason Stephens
If you follow thousands of people, you most certainly should be using lists to make the service usable.
- Bwana ☠
the biggest problem I have is it takes away from conversations. I LOVED the old interface so much better. It allowed me to control my pace of conversations without feeling like I've missed something.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Anything that does not teach you patience, is not your friend.
- Melanie Reed
This is too fast. They need to let you control the speed.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Too fast without pause. Adds a step that I didn't have to add before. Jury remains out.
- Martha
am i missing something? doesn't seem that different to me. then again, i don't use it much, and i don't subscribe to that many people's feeds. so maybe if you're a friendfeed 'power user', it's too much, but for 'lite' usage, it may not be that much different. UPDATE: Ok, now I am on the right URL. I like the look, and it's not flowing too fast for me. Again, I think the subscribe-to-everyone types are going to have a different experience than us 'lite' friendfeed users.
- Dwight Silverman
One thing to keep in mind is the burst of activity caused by the release. A zillion snap judgments pouring in at once will probably not be the daily norm.
- Mark Czerniec
pause is your friend you know although I'm starting to enjoy the run with the realtime feed
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Also, I'm going to have to start unfollowing more people. This style of realtime really makes the boors stand out.
- Will Higgins™
way too fast is my early verdict. I cannot even appreciate someone's comment and perhaps subscribe to them. I think this is going to negatively affect the number of subscriptions to other commenter
- Lou Paglia
Thankfully I've obsessively organized my FF subscriptions already by lists and weeded out the noise makers, otherwise I'd been overwhelmed. So far I kind of like the new FF UI. Remember if the speed is too much there is always a pause button.
- Keith - @tsudo
This is a breaking point for the real-time web. I bet Friendfeed will have to go back to the old system (but keep the design).
- Steve Rubel
Bwana, that is the way you choose to use FF. Others choose to not use lists and this method was perfectly usable in the standard interface. I thought the whole selling point of FF was that its UI was flexible enough to accommodate the different ways people choose to use the service. An aggregator, content creator, community hub...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Steve - very interesting thought. We all want real-time to a point.
- Dave Hodson
I tend to agree with you (perhaps two interfaces running in parallel, one for normal users and one for power users)
- Lou Paglia
Steve, have you worked out where you specify the syncing between Twitter publishing on the new interface yet? Don't want to overload my Twitter stream . . . :-)
- Ed Richardson
Yeah, I can't keep up. But might just take some getting used to.
- Mike Janicke
You just have to click "Pause" as soon as you want to start reading stuff. I wonder if that shows that real-time as default is not a good idea.
- Alejandro
I just let it wash over me, like twitter. These real-time updates aren't meant to be read, but dipped into and experienced.
- Dave Sanders
I agree. Look, humans are not machines. The ability of my eyes to track all this moving text (both reading and writing) has limitations. It will inevitably induce eye strain. And telling people to pause and unpause in order to manage this make life harder, not easier.
- Carter Rabasa
I just landed on this post, and I see what you are talking about. I actually like the speed. It doesn't seem like most topics will be as hot as this one (so the average case will be slower).
- Adam Loving
I also only follow 77 people - I'm not sure I'm following the people who talk a lot. Need to play with it some more. Looking for recommendations of who to subscribe to.
- Dave Sanders
Carter: most humans don't have more than 20 friends. In which case this will move just fine.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Robert... when you have a reasonable amount of friends, the speed is fine...when you have thousands, I don't think you have a choice: You must organize your friends.
- Bwana ☠
There's always conversations here regarding what it would take to get more "average" or typical web users on to FriendFeed and I think this is the exact type of thing that will keep those people away. Most people I know wouldn't want to have to bother setting up filters or lists just to keep from feeling like they're having a nervous breakdown looking at their feed. And if they don't set up lists/filters, they'll end up only seeing the same super active users all day.
- Kate
I love it! it is exactly what I wish Twitter was, a constant stream
- Rodzilla
Agreed. I really hope I don't get used to it, could be scary!
- Trevor Childs
I don't think I follow enough people to have a real speed issue on the new FF. I do like live streams though so I think the speed is ok. I really have neglected my filters though and need to spend some time getting things organized.
- Sean Brady
I've seen stats that show Facebook is around 120 friends Scoble, Dunbar number is around 150. Also in FF people follow those that are not their true friends
- Jeremiah Owyang
The old design gave me a headache. This new one makes me nauseous. I thought FriendFeed had so much potential when they launched, but their design aesthetic and product preferences just don't work for me. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing. That said, I'm sure other people like Scoble will like it.
- Joe Lazarus
Exactly Jeremiah. I subscribe to plenty of people who are not friends in the traditional sense of the word, but because they post things I'm interested in. Everyone I've introduced to (ie: forced to sign up for) FriendFeed immediately asked me where to go to find more people to subscribe to.
- Kate
There is quite a lot of data coming into FriendFeed assuming multiple streams per person followed.
- Khürt Williams
Its time for you guys to make lists. I'm following 11.5k people and I'm struggling badly. I'm making lists now :)
- Nicholas James
I have lists and I am still dizzy!
- Steve Rubel
from IM
I just got hammered with a billion updates from the same user. Unfollowed.
- Shaine Mata
Make *more* lists! Seriously, they've turned it from a tool for info junkies into something that will be much more popular.
- Ian Betteridge
Shaine: do NOT just unfollow people like this. You MUST block them. That removes them from the system.
- Robert Scoble
I personally use lists, so I guess it could be OK (except that it makes my "home" feed useless - way too fast.) But interesting that you sort of *have* to use lists w/the new version...way to dictate how to use the product, FF.
- Sarah Perez
If people only use FriendFeed to keep up with their friends, then Facebook wins. They own that realm.
- Hutch Carpenter
Ditches features we were used to, add some nobody asked for, uses space in the stupidest way, it's all-round ugly. try again.
- Zio Bonino
I think that Friendfeed should only update real time when I am at the top of the page. If I am scrolled down, don't updated it. Comments Real-Time though is a very nice feature.
- Tyler (Chacha)
In the time it took to write this comment, 28 things were lined up. So, I got bombarded.
- Tyler (Chacha)
Although, you can always switch to the non-real time version
- Tyler (Chacha)
Gonna be a learning curve. Not as bad when I tried out Twitterfall.
- Matt Martin
Not quite sure yet, but I like that there is a "pause" button in the upper right corner of the feed.
- Craig Villamor
I needed maybe 5 minutes to get used to it (and the @ajbatac userscript to fix the look). still adjusting, but I think it's making me more efficient. I love the new filters - better than just lists
- Gaby K. Slezák
Robert: I know you disagree. But you know, I'm very open to change, I *love* change. But this is a step backwards, I'm kinda sure.
- Zio Bonino
I think it's funny. I've been saying since the beginning to be careful who you follow here. Now everyone is learning why. Zio, it's a HUGE step forward. But I can see how you think it's a step back. Hit "pause" and relax.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not talking about the refresh rate, Robert, it's all the rest. (I'm way faster than that) :)
- Zio Bonino
we will learn and get faster and smarter with it. there´s no other chance in the web anyways. and if the brain aches, it´s only growing ;)
- esther ♥ ♫
So many thoughts...but in answer to your question, the stream moves quite quickly. This is fairly familiar since I use Twitterfall to follow events or themes. But I have always used Friendfeed as the place for a deeper and richer discussion forum. The spin rate certainly makes that less palatable.
- Lorin Olsen
It's a conversation killer, and what I love more in FF is the chance to have real conversations... One year ago before the comments thing was introduced, FF was totally a dead place. What brought it to life was all the talk around the different entries.
- Niki Costantini
I'm beginning to understand the new UI. It's not about the speed at all it's about refining your interests and generating lists of topics from the people you subscribe to.
- Russ Jackson
I still think it it needs better organizational navigation.
- Russ Jackson
Russ, they should be able to make suggestions and compile lists on the fly.
- Steve Rubel
Great point Steve. They should be able to do that and that would make for easier navigation
- Russ Jackson
It was in the beginning, but now that things have calmed down its good with me.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Use the filters (they now get saved to a list on the left hand side), Track what you want from the Firehose. New design is there to help customize the experience for everyone.
- zeroinfluencer
Thanks for the feedback, Steve. I think one of the main things I want to accomplish during this beta testing period is making the defaults right and making some things stream in by default, but scaling that back if your are subscribed to a lot of stuff. All this discussion is extremely useful to help us figure that out, and I am confident we can eventually make it work well for you...
- Bret Taylor
going from FriendFeed to anywhere else feels like jumping off a trampoline
- Brian Frank
If it's to fast why not just pause the updates.
- Benjamin
I would pause the updates but then I feel like I'm not keeping up with the Joneses
- Russ Jackson
If you pause the updates, it permanently turns off the updating—even if you log out and log back in—until you press the play icon. In the meantime, you can still see updates by refreshing the page. There is a separate pause option for your home feed and any of your filters.
- Ana
@Brett, me too. This is what a beta launch is all about after all. Some really good stuff in here too.
- Kate
stuff I like best: filters. I used to use bookmarks for my favorite searches. stuff I like less: the UI. I hate that grey, but I thought the vertical bar was useless and a waste of space even in the previous version. those rounded corners are so two years ago. those pictures before every post look so fuckin' facebook, they really really suck. When you post a link it's separated from the linked text, this feels like twitter, and if you feel it's a step forward, please see a doctor asap. :)
- Zio Bonino
The problem is not just that real-time is a step in the wrong direction; it is drawing energy away from those problems with the Friendfeed UI which require the most urgent attention.
- Sean McBride
Hey, don't get me wrong, I love friendfeed. But I didn't expect it to become a sort of facebook for people who can actually read.
- Zio Bonino
I just joined Friendfeed, so I'm still unsure if it adds value to my Social Networking experience. My initial reaction is that it's interface is a marriage of the the features I dislike most about all the services I registered!
- Stacy LaRoche
Nice to have you join, Stacy. Are you using the standard friendfeed.com interface, or the new beta.friendfeed.com interface? I'm intrigued to hear the perspective of someone who is new to the service...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's way too fast for me. I know some people suggest using lists, but having a bunch of lists, each in its own Firefox window, chews up system resources faster than a puppy with a slipper. It'd be really nice to have FriendFeed 1.0's slow but steady updating as an option, rather than just Fast Forward and Pause.
- Chris, Without Direction
I love the realtime view, that's the only one I watch.
- Richard A.
I like the beta, but I think they are too much ambitious for the moment. They forgot that friendfeed is an agregator before all (for the moment!)
- Stanislas Jourdan
" one cup of coffee too many!" I don't understand this statement, is a cup smaller than pot? Is three pots to many?
- John D Reasor
not feeling too fast to me, but i don't really have the volume. background grey's a bit dark, though :-/
- immaterial
Its slowed down for me compared to yesterday. Thats cause I have 84 subscriptions (only). LOL
- Praveen Vasudev
Awesome but do agree with @karl that API is key.
- Moses Kpetigo
I'd like a way to move my entire home feed to a different list in one step. The ability to do something like "Move all all who have used "Second Life" in a message into a Second Life group would be useful.
- Chuck Baggett
I hate it. I love it! I haven't even scrolled down to the bottom yet. Hold on.......ok, it's good. :-)
- Jeff Eddings
Cheers Bret & team - it's feeling pretty good so far (which includes initial gut reaction)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice job. I can at the very least say it is a big improvement aesthetically. I haven't finished checking everything out yet, but so far so good.
- Rolf Schewe
I miss the ability to have a Firefox sidebar setup that just had my list of items scrolling past and nothing else along the side like this view: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Justin Yost
Reshare will be back. Just an artifact of beta-testing, didn't make it in for this morning
- Bret Taylor
Definitely not looking for attention here, but I just don't like it.
- Nick
This real time integrated updates is pretty kick butt. Especially for comments.
- Gersham Meharg
Our settings vary to prevent things shuffling around excessively. We bubble up when someone you are subscribed to comments.
- Bret Taylor
I like the updating comments, but when it shifts what I'm reading out of the frame it's a little distracting. Overall, great work!
- Derek Coatney
also wish i can add links/pics/embed in the "comments"...for example, i'd like to include an image of my email from http://www.emailcover.com, but it only shows up as a link
- brainno722 (Peter)
Can you open an existing conversation in a new window?
- Barak B
1st look is good, like the real time...didn't make it to the bottom the first few minutes. Also the comment box drops down as I am commenting now...message got off screen ;)
- Sanne Buurma
please add keyboard shortcut for play/pause feed
- Ouriel Ohayon
Please, remove the gray background. Any color, but not gray.
- bnoise
Agree with Andy, dislike the fugly grey
- Sally Church
Barak: click on the timestamp to open a conversation in a new window.
- Kevin Mohr
Barack B : you can click the time and select open in new window.
- Simon Wicks
Just bring back the filters to the main feed. Other than that, it looks awesome :D
- Gerardo Curiel
Grey or not, rather think about what the beta has to offer in functionality
- Sanne Buurma
Please, bring back service icons near each post — it's very hard to scan information flow without them. Also hope you'll do something with new subscription module — it's unuseful while managing a lot of imaginary friends.
- Juras Vetrau
Wait, is the frequent shifting up and down of items I'm reading (i.e. the items in view) really supposed to work out well? I suppose you guys tried it for a while and you just got used to it?
- j1m
Peter, yep but thankfully the Cleaner FriendFeed GM script still works in Chrome and FFox, which does this for you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't like: broke my Blocks list, Block not available from Hover Menu
- Will Higgins™
Why Will Higgins have a superscript of "TM"? how typed in?
- Tony
it keeps the bad low-contrast grey on white text for comments that deters me from reading it. You made the main text bigger, now make the comment text black.
- Kevin Marks
Will: block will be back, just missing today, but it is not something we are removing (just something we didn't get in for this morning)
- Bret Taylor
I think you guys should really embrace the idea of hashtags. Let us add them to other people's posts, having various services auto-tag imported items, let us search on them using filters. Tagging is one great way for us to get a handle on the volume of information here.
- Kevin Kuphal
What's with the orange and the green on the side? Its a bit ugly if you ask me. Also, is there a way to change this, as well as make the beta permanent? (I like living on the cutting edge).
- darnell
I too like the orange and green. It's the blue I'm not sure about. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
Yeah, but it clashes with the logo. Either Friendfeed needs to change their logo, or get rid of the colors. Or (even better) allow users to change the colors. :-)
- darnell
Looks horrible to me, I think we should have a customizable interface more like iGoogle, I like the idea though, just more customization, like sidebar customization, friend lists, realtime widget, chat widget, all movable and arrangeable, there sure is enough space etc...
- Kyle Weller
I'm with Kyle and Darnell - I like being able to customize my GMail colours, and having that feature on FF would be cool
- nouhad
Yes, bring back service icons, somewhere. Also, the bigger font in entries doesn't look good.
- bnoise
Ignoring 71 previous comments... I really like the new design! One request: allow the pause button to follow my cursor as a scroll down the page!
- Chris Messina
+1 Chris Messina. That would be an awesome feature.
- Beau Liening
Add a floating "COMMENT" feature at the bottom of each thread, so I don't have to scroll up to click "comment"... this is a weird experience in new beta UI
- Susan Beebe
@Ari: This is why I really think tagging is what they need to focus on. If we could each add #ffbeta or something to our own posts as well as others, you get the trending and other features that twitter already has. Combine this with filters and you really get some killer information management features.
- Kevin Kuphal
I really like having one UI instead of different modes (normal, realtime, miniwindow), but to support the old "mini window" experience, perhaps allow the right hand side bar with filters and subscriptions to be collapsible?
- Karl Rosaen
@Karl: API is key here. Twitter isn't massively popular because their website rocks. Twitter is massively popular because there's a massive layer of applications built on top of it. Build that for FF and you have the same potential growth
- Kevin Kuphal
I wish it could use more of the screen real estate of my monitor, given my normal window size, it has large amounts of unused space on either size of the content due to the fixed layout. Maybe a multi-column mode?
- Ray Cromwell
@Krishnamoorthy rooms I believe have changed to feeds beta.friendfeed.com/[room_name]
- Lou Paglia
the new design works better for me. I am sure there will be glitches, but so far so good.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Is there a way to change my prefs over to to the beta so I don't have to keep entering beta.friendfeed...?
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: there's a link to expand all comments, there should be one to collapse them as wel.
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: after expanding comments you scroll all the way to the bottom reading the thread, then you have scroll all the way back up to click the Comment link. Why not have it at the bottom of the thread too.
- Ryan Stanley
Feature suggestion: FF needs a built-in way of referring to people publicly, just like Twitter's @. Perhaps use the same convention. But there needs to be a way people to address each other in public threads, so a user can make sure to be informed when people are talking or referring to them.
- Ryan Stanley
going to read through faq - roadmap of what made beta & what's going away would be nice - big concern for me is the lose of ability to expand lists to see individual participants - i find that one of ff's strongest features - that and block but i see from earlier in this thread that its will make it in later in beta (whew)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
A Pause button that follows you on page scroll could be more distracting than it's worth. But how about something like it appears upon a white space mousedown/mouseup event.
- Micah Wittman
Hmm, I tried to read this thread, but I never got to the bottom, because the unexpected shifts of the text just became too much after a while. Fundamentally, if the page keeps shifting up and down unexpectedly, it's hard to see how anyone's ever going to read it -- hence the many requests for a floating pause button, which would help. You could also imagine pause on hover. Being able to read down the page without having the text disappear seems to me like the #1 use case of ff.
- j1m
Of course, it's not really like you want Pause -- the real-time updates are great when they're below wherever the eyes are :-)
- j1m
I love the new UI! I'm a big fan. It feels a lot cleaner and more organized. The real-timeness doesn't bother me. It seems pretty clever about when and when not to refresh. Great job, guys!!! : )
- Jess Lee
Bret - Great job! There are certainly things to clean up before this interface goes to the main page. Rooms should REALLY be on the subscribed list on the right hand column. I would LOVE to be able to put Blank Lines in comments. I don't care if they count for a whole lines worth of characters (as opposed to a more common one character for the cr/lf) Blank lines make comments more legible and clear than just a runtogether paragraph.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't like how the interface STILL loses my place if I subscribe to someone while posting a comment (or even reading it!) I should be able to subscribe to YOU while I read YOU and not lose my page place. The Page should need to be refreshed to reset everyone because of the new subscription.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't know about the queued items, I like the real time feed, having selectable speeds instead of "over-caffination required mode" would be good. Most discussions this is irrelevant, but the discussion on tis new beta this morning (i.e. on scoble's feed) showed how insane that can be.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The real-time-only feed in the beta is causing Safari 4b on my MacBook use up a lot of CPU cycles, hence depleting the battery faster. I'm sure FF3 will too. Please consider an "ECO Mode" similar to the current standard mode, which only refreshes once every few minutes, for those running their machines on battery power. Without such an eco-mode, and with the rapid-fire pace of live updates, I fear that I won't be using FFeed much at all. Certainly not leaving that tab open for hours on end like I used to.
- Siddharth Deb
I don't know if I've done something, or you guys did, but when I look here, I only have a few services setup in the account, when I go to the old interface I have a LOT more -I'm not certain that everything is feeding through? (i.e. I have Digg and Disqus set up, I see the correct list of icons on the old interface, but on the beta "settings" popup, No Dice. Even if this is irrelevant to the actual data flow, please fix this to make me sleep well at night. ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
One more thing - Could we have a character counter in the comments? It would be REALLY nice, if my account is setup to post this comment to my twitter account, and it's going to post the link to this discussion, please Add the number of characters in the link (plus a space) to the total character count. That way I won't be truncating the comment and/or the URL when it gets to twitter.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Another thing: I used to be able to click the "More" next to a single discussion, and "Link to this discussion" Where is that? If this is an outmoded way of thinking please let me know. Otherwise, um...can we have that feature back?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: the timestamp ("9 hours ago") is the permalink
- Benjamin Golub
do you need a techno dunce to help the average joe make sense of this?? haha...i love it...
- Lauren Shanahan
Very twitter like. But better due to nice conversational.
- xiawinter
I actually kinda like the grey... though it does look like it's an opportunity to let companies brand the background in some way.
- Frankie Warren
For cc to Twitter functionality, can the number of characters be a count-down instead of a count-up?
- Winston Teo
I'd like to second the notion that there should be a way to address an individual within a thread...the agreed upon "Rob:" works great, but maybe could be clickable so that there's no confusion as to which Rob or which Scoble you're talking to ;) (i.e. maybe a CTRL-Click or something on the person's name after their comment to start a new comment with their name at the beginning? )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The grey background looks kinda dullish, and it looks like someone ran out of ideas for colours..
- Winston Teo
IMO avatars occupy way too much real estate now, I liked the smaller ones better.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
thsi is nothing on the new design, but after being on here all night with no attention to a down twitter, I am reminded of this: It would be nice if I could set the post to twitter for comments and likes a) permanent b) off or C) on a per comment/like basis -twitter users say this "yeah, when ppl I follow flood me with FF spam ... I usually unfollow ... even block if it irritates me enough." And I would like to be able to be easily selective of what gets put through, and it would get more GOOD attn for FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
please, for the love of god, move the "comment" link to the BOTTOM of the list of comments. seriously, am I the only one who can't believe this hasn't been fixed for so long?
- Dossy Shiobara
Great stuff! :-) FriendFeed does it better than Facebook. Please go real-time all the way for subscription requests and confirmatoions too.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
It's not bad, but I prefer the smoothness of the old one to the lines and edges in this new one.
- scott willeke
I love the new letter-counting post widget in the beta though.
- scott willeke
at first glance, find it much more readable than the old one. Pity there still isn't "my items that were liked or commented by others"
- Stephanie Booth
from twhirl
Stephanie: comments:1 likes:1 from:sbooth
- Justin Long
stephanie & justin - that is in the catch all http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... - i went and liked/commented on something from each of you that had no other activity - you should both see that bubble up in /discussions...
- mike "glemak" dunn
LOVE THE NEW BETA ! the new filter is so powerful, more powerful if you could add "language parameter"!!
- foxmachia {山石}
still waiting for direct-to-room links on the right column, is it planned? (with lastupdated timestamps if possible)
- Kemal Hadimli
"The Government of India wants your help. It has invited the public to suggest a symbol for the Rupee. Just as the Dollar is universally denoted by $‚ the government thinks the Rupee should also have its own unique symbol that captures a sense of India’s history and culture.Listed below are 19 suggestions from ET’s team of designers. Please vote for the one you find best. ET will present all these symbols ‚ along with the ET viewers’ preference‚ to the Ministry of Finance ."
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
A lot of these look great, but it seems a bit unfair to show them at such large resolution. Most often the symbol will be seen at something like 12px by 12px - how will all of those look at small resolution? גּ
- Shannon Bauman
Love the idea, but the designs here miss the mark. Using an existing character plus an additional stroke or two makes the new symbol easier to learn and write, and thus adopt. Great examples are the USD, Euro, and Rx symbols.
- Chris Prince
The picture was awesome. But ... you know you're a giant geek when you're bugged by the sentence about sensors in the suit overheating... optical mocap is done with passive reflectors on the suit; all the electronics are external.
- Andrew C
"awesome. But ... optical mocap is done with passive reflectors on the suit; all the electronics are external" THIS QUOTE is exhibit A as to why the court has ruled that the FriendFeed community rocks. Case closed.
- Micah Wittman
"The source added: "Jen was fuming. There he was, telling her he didn't have time for her and yet his page was filled with Twitter updates. "Every few hours, sometimes minutes, he'd update with some stupid line. And in her mind, she was like 'He has time for all this Twittering, but he can't send me a text, an email, make a call?'."" Never been a fan of Jennifer Aniston. But I would have given her props if she'd done the break-up via @reply.
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
I wasn't convinced about this whole Twitter being mainstream business, but now that the tabloids are using it as a breakup device I'm sold! In two year's time: Harrison Ford and Calista Flockhart split due to Ford hiding all of Flockhart's feeds in FriendFeed. You heard it here first.
- Mark Trapp
But why didn't she just follow him? Then he'd be sending her texts all the time. It's just more efficient that way.
- Kevin Fox
Hanging with Jen. Not really enjoying myself
- Private Sanjeev
"#oscars Jen is avoiding Brad. I'm avoiding Jen, it's fun."
- anna sauce
Surely this is a planned conspiracy. Both must be holding Twitter shares and doing this to drive traffic there. :)
- Mike Reynolds
It's like she didn't even try to take part in his hobbies or get involved in his life! ;) </devils advocate>
- alphaxion
Good point Mike, thought of it after the first reactions. I was telling someone that if Hollywood get there, then a new generation of tabloids will drain that type of stuff. Being Twitter spies and finding out about those accounts and their development. Hell, it could even be press releases: After investigation, all we could get is a simple "Fck Off, I'm sad" post since 8:54 pm on Monday. Replies and hashtags were flowing since ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Looks to me like *he* broke up with *her.*
- Mitch Wagner
I used to think she did a great job of acting like the weepy mess of a girlfriend that can't seem to make a relationship last. Now I realize it isn't acting.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
"Diddy did his best to explain to Ellen Degeneres what Twitter is. He actually made the most sense of any description I have ever heard. Since many people seem to have difficulty describing what Twitter""
- Amani
both fascinating and terrifying at the same time. i'd like to point out, though, that the music business is not dead. corporate music is dead. or at least it's dead to me.
- mike fabio
I've never understood why people like url shorteners so much (other than working around twitter's length limitation). I was thinking that maybe ff should undo all tinyurls.
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
When I send links to places on my company's Sharepoint portal, the link usually takes up about 5 lines in email. I ALWAYS use a URL shortener for those.
- Ladybug Heather
Paul, I would sing from the rooftops if you did. Maybe I hung out with the wrong people when I was in high school, but several years of people using URL shorteners to hide things like Goatse.cx has jaded me for life. Down with URL shorteners.
- Mark Trapp
I prefer to know where I'm going before-hand. I only find them useful due to Twitter's 140 character limit. I'm in favour of undoing shortened URLs.
- Tanath
Sure, good idea too as it saves characters in FF database! :)
- Susan Beebe
The bookmarklet is awesome for Chrome users, thanks!
- Jérôme Flipo
I like to see what I´m clicking. Would be good as an option at least, Paul.
- Thomas Bøhm
I'm not a big fan of short URLs either. Other then microblogs, the main use I've seen is when sending to some laypeople who have email systems that don't handle long URLs well and who also don't understand how to cut-and-paste the parts together to get the whole URL back.
- LogEx
@Paul: Stats can be somewhat useful e.g. this shows me how many people visited our RWW write-up coming from twitter: http://bit.ly/info/g3kp
- Christopher Golda
Ok, but... FF truncates links at about 30 characters in the display (which is cool). I guess it would still have value, as the full link appears in the mouseover and the browser status bar.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: analytics packages can do that without URL shortening or masking. Referring URLs are a standard metric: why is RWW relying on URL shortening to tell them that information instead of Google Analytics, SiteMeter, or similar?
- Mark Trapp
Yes, Outlook was the original cause of this problem, but do people still use that thing? ;) Anyway, I'm thinking in the web context more than mailing lists full of outlook users.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, alternatively, you could let the user expand tinyurls easily from the ff interface - see how http://ffapps.com/tinyurl/ used to do it
- Aviv
I like the Slashdot approach, putting the domain.tld in brackets after a link. How about "http://tinyurl.com/7awyb3 [tungare.name]"? And setting the a.title to the actual link, so the statusbar shows the long URL on mouseover?
- Manas Tungare
Why would I ever want to see the tinyurl?
- Paul Buchheit
I agree, would be better to resolve them all by default.
- Aviv
Mark Trapp, sometimes i want to count referrals to items i recommended but do not control. Also, i use “curl -I http://tinyurl.com/asdf” to see the redirect.
- John Lam
@Paul So I can copy and forward the same link to others over long-url-unfriendly media. Or retweet.
- Manas Tungare
There is a greasemonkey script for FF that puts the domain next to an item's link. maybe FF should just do that by default for all links. Most links are crap after the domain, anyway.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rick Astley invented url shorteners and he's never gonna give them up.
- Andrew Smith
Rahsheen - yep, http://ffapps.com/showdomains/ was quite useful ;) I never bothered to tweak it after the beta, so I'm not sure if it even works anymore. Hopefully FF will consider adding a feature like this in the future.
- Aviv
Hah - it does! I missed it... lol.. will keep it this time.
- Aviv
@Mark Trapp: You're right -- RWW should rely on their own internal analytics, but I don't have access to those. Another example: URL shortening the source of an image on craigslist to see how many impressions I'm getting.
- Christopher Golda
About the truncating at 30 characters. I suggested some time ago that ff use the title attribute on links to display the full url. Ana even replied to my request, but it is yet to be implemented. It seems very trivial to me. Is there some reason not to do that?
- Robert Felty
+1 for untinying the tinyurls. It would definitely improve my CTR. I'm less likely to click on a tinyurl because I've been rickrolled, goatsed, tubgirled too many times : (
- Jess Lee
Wow, it must have been minutes or hours after this discussion that FriendFeed added the domain below the link. Coincidence?
- Dan Fitek
It seems that the plugin's filter is a bit slow, making pages render slowly on some computers...
- Saxtus
Rob, I believe that was implemented a while ago. I'm curious why you prefer that to the usual status bar at the bottom of the browser -- do you have that turned off or something?
- Paul Buchheit
Yet another thing identi.ca gets right. You type your post including any URL's. If chars > 140, identi.ca automatically shorten using your preferred URL shortener. Otherwise leave well alone.
- Andy C
Paul: Is there any way to get Safari to show you a status bar with the URL you're hovering over?
- Gabe
Apple-/ Gabe. (also under the "view" menu)
- Paul Buchheit
Apple-/ Gabe? I can't find the Gabe key.
- Jim Norris
+1 for longer urls, at least on hover or something. Man I hate short/cryptic urls that send you somewhere you don't know in advance.
- Matt Cutts
+1 Manas (1) I'd like to see both the TinyURL (for copy/paste) and the full original URL (2) Perhaps 5% of URLs don't work without the "www." Otherwise, can the "www" and "/index.html" be deleted when showing URLs?
- Mitchell Tsai
I like the desk, it's pretty sweet...I just noticed that the colours of the labels work well with most, if not all, of the themes. sweeeet
- Rudolf Olah
Uh, you got some email there in your inbox. Like 875 of 'em.
- Josh Haley
Those are just the unread ones Josh -- there are about 3000 total. In other news, if I haven't replied to your email yet, sorry about that, I'm a little behind...
- Paul Buchheit
Half Dome, I go there tomorrow - I can send a post card to add to your Inbox if you'd like ;)
- Nadine Schaeffer
You gotta love gmail, I run my entire business through one gmail account, crazy -- I can't tell you how good it is to NOT use Outlook any more.
- Kelly Johns
Is there someone using Outlook still? Who? Who! ; )
- Didier Lahely
It depends on your browser width. (Honest! Grow or shrink your window! there are two ad sizes, depending on what fits better.)
- Kevin Fox
Maybe they ran out of monkeys, or free ipods?
- Matt Harwood
You're just mad because you didn't win by punching the monkey...
- Louis Gray
Louis, my knuckles bled and my joints seized waiting for the package to arrive. All I wanted was 2gb, maybe 4gb...
- Matt Harwood
I'm not seeing the 'Themes' panel under Gmail Settings...I'm on a Mac, Safari 3.2... is this one of those 'Mac version coming soon" things? .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
.LAG, I think they are slowly rolling out to everyone because you and I have not received them.
- Shevonne
You would have to go to Hotmail for "Punch the Monkey"
- Christian Burns
@shevonne: thanks... i figured it's something like that. gmail's just a massive web service, and i leave mine open all day...pro'lly some kind of synch'ing issue.
- .LAG liked that
"They've opened two exclusive Quarter Pounder Shops in Shibuya and Omotesando that are completely devoid of any McDonalds branding. With all black interiors the shops are minimalist to say the least, but the menu is just as simple: Regular or Double Quarter Pounder sets in red and black packaging that has McDonalds shaping without the graphics."
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
Jess, thanks for ruining my lunch by forcing me to go to McDonald's.
- Jon Anderson
Jess... why the un-branding? Due to "McD's is American" or...? Oh, and personally... I haven't eaten at McD's for nearly a decade now. My only fast-food weakness: In'N'Out, but at least there's more meat and potatoes there than chemicals :)
- Adam Lasnik
@Adam: I think they're just trying to be edgy, and this is their fancy way of introducing the quarter pounder to Japan.
- Jess Lee
@Adam I don't eat McDonalds either, EXCEPT when I'm abroad. I don't know it is, but the ones I've been to in Japan and elsewhere are delicious (I prefer the double cheeseburger over the quarter pounder in Japan tho). When you go to Hyderabad, you should try their paneer wrap :)
- Roshan Vyas
@Roshan: I love eating at international McDonalds too! McDonalds Hong Kong has McWings chicken wings and corn soup.
- Jess Lee
@Jess OMG the corn thing is so weird. I saw it on the menu in India, then went to Thailand and saw they had a Corn Pie, and then in HK they had a bowl of corn! When I studied in BJ, I got pingguo pies every week... they're fried like they used to be in the U.S.!
- Roshan Vyas
I like how in most of Asia, any dish that is identified as "American" invariably has corn in it! American Salad - corn. American Soup - corn. We are children of corn.
- Jennie Lin
"This map shows each state re-sized in proportion to the relative influence of the individual voters who live there. The numbers indicate the total delegates to the Electoral college from each state, and how many eligible voters a single delegate from each state represents."
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
The senate is much more depressing, and that power imbalance probably has a bigger effect on our government policies than this one.
- Larry Greenfield
If anyone finds Canada on the map let me know. All that talk of 51st state and yet?
- Dylan Parker
@Susan: It was created that way by design, so that small states wouldn't be able to completely bulldoze the smaller ones.
- Eric P
Sure it's intentional, but so what: it's a bad design, born of the 18th century attitude that the 'rights' of states (rulers) mattered and the rights of actual people didn't. On the other hand, this visual overrepresents the underrepresentation, by squaring it afaict.
- j1m
It was actually born of the 18th century attitude that the states would be much more autonomous entities than they are today, linked by little more than a common defense and currency. Congressmen were to represent the people, Senators to represent their states (and appointed much the same way a governor would appoint an attorney general), and electors allocated by totaling the two.
- Eric P