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- Shawn C. Reed
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for a month.
- mjc
still cool though, given that most of the trips i take are at least that round-trip.
- Shawn C. Reed
So, who is leaving FriendFeed?
Internet Strategist, sofarsoShawn, Mitchell Tsai and 154 other people liked this
And go where? Back to Twitter or...Facebook?
- Manuel Mas
no idea yet.... see what happens.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I have nowhere else to go. No where else gives me the high level of interaction that FF does.
- Mel Buckpitt
Same FriendFeed as before, I'll still use.
- Ben Parr
Of course if Paul hands me a few hundred shares of stock ... just kidding. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I was going to ask how you felt about the purchase, but now I see
- acedanger
Depends how much it changes.
- Andrew Leyden
Why leave?
- Mike Shulman
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim in Real Time
I'm sad, but I'm sticking around. I'm hoping others do to. At some point, the fuss will die down.
- Helen Sventitsky
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- Bryan Lee
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- Tad
I'm not going anywhere Helen...When it goes it goes...I'm sitting tight on the ship
- Bill Heslin
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
I can't wait to try out wave. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- Bryan Lee
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
didn't you just just say "FriendFeed is dead. I will keep using it until Paul unplugs the last server, which could be years" ? or i'm missing something
- Liviu Barbat
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Robert: Earlier in the day you were excited for both FriendFeed & Facebook. It didn't sound like you were leaving FriendFeed. What changed? Why not stick around to see what happens?
- Jill Elswick
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
I'm in wait and see mode. It would have to be absolutely sucked in by FB for me to leave it completely.
- pea
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Scoble: Ning?!?! Really?
- Manuel Mas
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
hmm, ning. unexpected, but understandable
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- ashish
Google/Twitter vs. Facebook/FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
+1 ashish
- Liviu Barbat
I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't want to but if it eventually goes down the way everybody's predicting it will then i'll have to look for alternatives :( .......by the way where do i beg for Wave invites :)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
I'll stick around until the end.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Adi
I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain.
- Cheryl
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate DA FF MVP
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cassidy
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I heard it's MySpace
- sean percival
I'm staying until the end as well.
- Mitch
I won't be deleting my account, but signing in and commenting? No. No real point to continue putting data into a service that is gonna get unplugged anyway. Guess we just have to return to blogs and twitter.
- BCK
quick! everybody back to MySpace!!!
- acedanger
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
Should we move to where?? haha
- harri78son
I'll be here until something actually changes for the worse
- Dennis O'Neil
harri78son you could come back over to my blog and we could setup JS-Kit Echo. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Damn now I need a drink :)
- Jeunelle Foster
That's right, Scoble is the catalyst for these longer threads anyway, so it might as well move to his JS-Kit
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, that's a pity. I'm lucky to deal in things that only get more interesting as they get older.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm torn. What are our options?
- Kelly Mitchell
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
I'm here till the end.
- Nolan Alston
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
I have no idea where to go...
- Johnny
Let's make the longest thread in FF history
- Stephen Pickering
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
Damn it. Why is Arrington always right!
- Stephen Pickering
Jeff P. Flickr is different Yahoo bought them for their user base. Facebook bought Friendfeed for their features.
- Bryan Lee
Got80: why do that? Who cares if your feeds are going in here?
- Robert Scoble
Edward: that is true. It caught us all off guard and we're still processing it.
- Robert Scoble
Kind of huge things in this time,.hmmm
- harri78son
Facebook bought FF for Paul Bucheit
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Among other ex-Google superstars.
- Robert Scoble
Robert your not processing anything from what I see..Your just gonna dump it...thanks...makes us All feel so much better....Salt in a wound?
- Bill Heslin
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
Go where, do what?
- frankiecarl
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- Bryan Lee
Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- Bryan Lee
I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
:) I am what I am Robert...I'm A DRAMA QUEEN? LOL that's funny....even though I'm a much better queen than you I still wuvs ya...Still processing all this as everyone else is...Sorry...might be shooting from the hip and I shouldn't
- Bill Heslin
Am I the only one excited to see how Facebook integrates FF? I have hundreds of FB friends that I know personally, yet know nobody that I am "friends" with on FF or Twitter. FB has my friends but I'd love FF's functionality.
- Chris Nunz
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play.
- Jeunelle Foster
Leo's going to need a new show, TWIF
- Stephen Pickering
This week in Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Anyone here ever feel like we're just being tossed around from website to website by the big players?
- Christopher Doiron
Thanks Kelly :)
- Bryan Lee
Chris, Yep
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing
- Jeunelle Foster
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you don't think your time here is an not an investment ;anymore in anything Robert...We still, or at least I do, consider your input valuable. And if you were to jump ship too soon, I think we would all lose something. So, even if things don't look good...please hang around..That's what I meant to say...
- Bill Heslin
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm sticking around.
- Nation Hahn
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact.
- Neal Jansons
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
Well said Robert
- Kelly Mitchell
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
As you should. Family is much more important than any of this. And now I have to go fix my wig! LOL
- Bill Heslin
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John C Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
so much DRAMA
- Kevin Pruett
Kevin, the Drama is warranted
- Stephen Pickering
And Leo and Dick Debartolo are on the wine train, missing all this...I envy them...lol
- Bill Heslin
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo (app103)
If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out...
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- Jeunelle Foster
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Did you guys see Dave Winer's URL shortner, http://rp.ly? Genius.
- Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle: Rizzn and Louis Gray and I did a podcast earlier where we talked through some of our feelings. It was very, um, theraputic.
- Robert Scoble
hahaha I must of missed it, I'll dig it up. A bit quiet still though. Haven't heard peep from Chris Brogan and all them other STARS
- Jeunelle Foster
Louis's blog post was classic.
- Bruce Lewis
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying...
- Luis
Thanks for feeding the flames, there, Scoble. *WHAT* on earth is so scary about all this?
- Brad McCrorey
Brad, FF has died. Scoble made this thing. And what does he get out of it? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
Was this the Exit Strategy? I don't see how FF makes money right now?
- Keith Rowland
Stephen: I got you all as friends.
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Stephen Pickering
This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
I follow the Cheese!
- Rich Weaver
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo (app103)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
I know I am able to post status updates in Facebook to "Everyone" now, but when will we be able to search these open status updates?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
I can't wait till my mom gets one of my "Queenie" updates....that's gonna b fun...lol..
- Bill Heslin
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Harald Yes!
- Stephen Pickering
I say we all leave Facebook instead.
- Larry Roth
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm confused - on the one hand you've said this is such a great thing for FF as well as FB - but on the other hand you also say you're leaving FF because of of it. Why - if this is such a great thing for FF?
- Matthew Blaisdell
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
LOL...there ya go Robert...I knew you would come around...Drink Drink!!! have a really nice cocktail...
- Bill Heslin
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Dunno if I'll leave the ship...
- Wario
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- Bryan Lee
Robert - Makes sense - except that it still doesn't seem like a great day for Friendfeed - if it just gets abandoned (by FB as well as by leaders like you...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- Bryan Lee
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
++Steve Gillmor
- Bruce Lewis
Ken you'll be back.
- Steve Gillmor
I don't think FB will change it all so quickly. But I do like Laconica, too.
- Monique Hodgkinson
Steve you're making it hurt worse! ;-(
- Stephen Pickering
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
stephen how so
- Steve Gillmor
I don't know where to go :(
- K.D.
I'll make up my mind when I figure out what better alternative there is to Friend Feed.
- Anthony Teegarden
Because we know FF has died
- Stephen Pickering
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think I will just stay on twitter, because I can't stand facebook.
- Tomy Thomson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
Choose I meant
- Stephen Pickering
Please stop with FF has died chatter!
- Bryan Lee
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
they can go build it again. but zuckerberg has been wanting this for some time
- Steve Gillmor
need to wait what will happen to FF
- Toni @ NavinoT
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Pickering: RSS is dead, not FF
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
business is design
- Steve Gillmor
HAHAHA great comeback Steve. On that note I think I'll have a beer. :)
- Bryan Lee
Steve, OK, I'll keep the faith that maybe Scoble's idea that this could be a Facebook R&D could happen. That would be great!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, did you see the post about this being an opportunity for Google Reader? I think it was by Jorge Escobar.
- Bruce Lewis
Reading through all this is hilarious. We really should have a social media reality show Robert
- Jeunelle Foster
no bruce, how so
- Steve Gillmor
Jeunelle, Robert went drinking :)
- Stephen Pickering
So he ain't all that. Just kidding hehehehe :)
- Jeunelle Foster
He was saying Reader has most of the features of FF, and this could be their chance to expand and fill the niche FF filled: http://friendfeed.com/social-...
- Bruce Lewis
disagree bruce GR has no explicit contract with users
- Steve Gillmor
Contract or contact?
- Bryan Lee
Wave might be boosted, but has similar immaturity at the social graph level
- Steve Gillmor
I don't understand the part about the contract.
- Bruce Lewis
If Ning is 750m why FF is just 50m ?
- Johni Fisher
users consciously contribute metadata to FF
- Steve Gillmor
Do we want Google to buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience
- Jorge Escobar
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
You are testing us Scoble.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps
- Jeunelle Foster
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- Bryan Lee
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring"
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
hehehe lol
- Jeunelle Foster
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
@Stephen, I was alternating between friendfeed and twitter (stones and beatles, respectively :P) but I don't see the point in staying with a dying technology, which unfortunately is where friendfeed is headed. The tech of friendfeed itself will hopefully live on in facebook. I really think facebook has become a slightly less obnoxious version of myspace, and that's being nice.
- Tomy Thomson
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
yes bruce take twitter for example
- Steve Gillmor
But Paul could end up being a great influence on Mark
- Stephen Pickering
not indefinitely Ken, but long enough to transfer enough value to avoid making twitter look like the good guys
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, will Google buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
you're "VERY excited" about the deal, but plan to leave friendfeed? why, exactly? i don't get it...
- Shawn C. Reed
dunno, don't really care
- Steve Gillmor
*eye roll* thread is getting to the point where it's too long and people are now asking questions that have been answered thrice.....Lock down time.
- Matthew DeVries
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, why didn't Ff take over FB? Yeah Facebook has the money, but it's the inferior product.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
matthew who says they didn't
- Steve Gillmor
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert: The majority of apps on FB are useless imo. Every time I log on I get bombarded by 'add your relative' and 'blackjack' app requests. And don't get my started on the quizzes and other BS. Ah well, I will join your fan page on facebook!
- Tomy Thomson
ff has been running dev for a year
- Steve Gillmor
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
jumping is bullshit, no place to go
- Steve Gillmor
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
the doctor is in the house
- Steve Gillmor
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
There's a house?
- Doc
Steve, is that Doc Searls?
- Stephen Pickering
of cards
- Steve Gillmor
hover over the name stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
Don't get so close.
- Doc
unfollow please sidney
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, Calacanis recommended your book to his audience on THis Week in Startups. Can't wait to read it!
- Stephen Pickering
I just left facebook a couple weeks ago - hope friendfeed doesn't devolve into quizzes and walled gardens
- Doug Holton
It's the Gillmor Gang in a perpendicular universe.
- Doc
yes it is
- Steve Gillmor
and about fucking time
- Steve Gillmor
Stephen, make sure it's the *new* 10th anniversary edition of Cluetrain. Both it and the old one are being sold. 8 extra chapters in the new.
- Doc
No doubt, Steve
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I'm in it to win it. FF isn't shutting down tomorrow or next week. But it's funny to me that so many dicuss the content... It's the connections made with others that are in jeopardy, not the LOLCat photos...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
we never stopped stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Heheheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
JFC, I was gonna go to bed, and here we are. Wherever this is. Do we all really live in Scoble's butt?
- Doc
Doc comes through with yet another metonym: the perpendicular universe (= FF).
- Nick in Manila
I would have had something out sooner but I've been driving a car all day. :-)
- Jesse Stay
no it's Marshall McLuhan's butt
- Steve Gillmor
Is this SRC?
- Doc
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
Social relay chat?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
No who's on first
- Steve Gillmor
Scoble Relay Chat.
- Doc
the medium is the message
- Steve Gillmor
OK, OK, Steve. I admit, I listened to Dave Winer's chat this evening about it
- Stephen Pickering
yeah I read the liner notes instead
- Steve Gillmor
Confessions of Stephen and Steve
- Jeunelle Foster
And the medium is the network?
- Stephen Pickering
Are we paying Scoble now? Are we his excreta and are those a form of currency?
- Doc
as richard manuel used to say the check's in yr mouth
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
I thought it was "the check is coming in your mouth." Just looking for accuracy here.
- Doc
no, doc it's a contraction of 2 of the 3 promises
- Steve Gillmor
I forget what the 3rd is
- Steve Gillmor
I'll love you in the morning?
- Doc
could be
- Steve Gillmor
Well, it's almost morning here. I'll tape this show and watch later. G'night or g'morning, all.
- Doc
Goodnight, Doc!
- Stephen Pickering
I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Soon as I saw FF being purchased by Facebook I knew you would bolt. Not 100% surprising.
- Christopher Mercer
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention.
- Sean Gallagher
Hell, they keep Orkut going. Storage and bandwidth keep getting cheaper. Might as well keep this going
- Stephen Pickering
Orkut! The favorite social network of 9 out of 10 Brazilians.
- Sean Gallagher
And 9 out 10 of the best looking women!
- Stephen Pickering
True.
- Sean Gallagher
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee
- Jeunelle Foster
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
What's the record number of comments?
- Stephen Pickering
Logan, I hope your right
- Stephen Pickering
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
What about Identi.ca?
- Jerry Heiselman
Sean, you may even create a time machine!
- Stephen Pickering
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
James, Touche
- Stephen Pickering
You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head?
- Jeunelle Foster
Quote of the Day: "Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)" - Robert Scoble
- Diego Barros
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird
- Jeunelle Foster
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I hope FF doesn't go away and fold in to FB. I don't need FB. It's like bringing a machine gun to a knife fight.
- Diego Barros
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
We'll never get to talk to Robert Scoble again. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Well, it's made me think twice about vesting too much into any one service (so has the demise of tr.im). I use Facebook, Twitter, Livejournal, and FF all pretty equally, so I guess I'm not feeling this as much as some.
- Bill Kinney
on to Google Wave.
- Jason Wilson
from BuddyFeed
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I really want a Google Wave invite now..
- Peter
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ditto what Kol just said.
- LogEx
ditto on the Google wave invite
- Kim
you hit the nail on the head there Kol
- Kim
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Joined Posterous. http://jbug.posterous.com Wouldn't mind a Google Wave invite, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Me too, Dennis. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't leave if Facebook doesn't make something dramamatic to FF
- Kristian Salonen
I will wait and see.
- Matt G
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'll be sticking around just a little while longer.
- April Russo (app103)
I'm here for the duration
- Charlie Anzman
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :)
- jcunwired
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Kolja
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Like I said before, I'm staying here until the end.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence disconnected
not leaving. NEVER hoho I haven't left FB nor friendser.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- Travis Koger
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- Travis Koger
I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over!
- clarke thomas
not me.
- Edward Barnieh
Nope, not yet. I still dream about FF and FB to coexist. I think Facebook is even more boring now, after this announcement. Anyone else feels this way?
- Patrik Johansson
Not me. I will be glad when all the people who say they are leaving do so my feed won't be full of people saying they are leaving.
- Alan Simpson
What becomes of the broken hearted?
- Joe Dawson
I'm staying on!
- Charles Lau
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
won´t leave!!! i LOVE friendfeed. @Mitch i know what you mean. So many stories and this is the one they picked?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
Facebook bought friendfeed http://adage.com/digital...
- Rob Johnson
OH NO, I just finish moving all my stuff HERE!
- Terence
Robert: I closed down my embeds today. Sad for my blog.
- Mark Essel
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
Yeah, I'll probably leave Facebook too. If they're going to "steal" the FriendFeed functions and just let FF die, I will not have any sympathies left for Facebook. I'll go "all Google" or something.
- Patrik Johansson
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
I joined posterous for blogging/lifestreaming and will continue to use twitter. I might go on facebook once in a while, which is what I was doing anyway.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
+100 Rob Schieber
- Tyson Key
I will stay. Facebook will not Win.
- TheHenry
Nope... I'll stay, even if I ride it to a bitter end.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there?
- echostreamer
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
I'm here till the ship goes down.
- Lee Watters
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I am leaving Web - Back to Telnet
- Dominique Rabeuf
Dominique, too late. The web already assimilated it with the telnet: url schema.
- Bruce Lewis
OK so only snmp/ssh
- Dominique Rabeuf
Hell no, not leaving. Best service on the web.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
gonna ride this one out to shore.
- Sean Oliver
hu?
- Dries Grobler
back to blogs :-)
- Mostafa Lameei
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Dan van Moll
Minitel 3815 (?)
- Dominique Rabeuf
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Internet Strategist
iPhone Developer Craig Hunter on Palm’s WebOS SDK - http://hunter.pairsite.com/blogs...
well, that's frustrating...
- Shawn C. Reed
pre dev wiki: Welcome to the Pre/webOS Development Wiki - http://predev.wikidot.com/
A very useful site for Palm Pre developers and hackers.
- Shawn C. Reed
A boy called Sue - http://www.metafilter.com/83248...
so it seems johnny cash wasn't too far off...
- Shawn C. Reed
Video: Jaguar's 2010 XJ cockpit is a dual-view, 7.1 surround sound lovers' paradise - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
okay, i officially have a new dream car. move over, mercedes slk350...
- Shawn C. Reed
Google Chrome: Redefining The Operating System - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
If it's built on a Linux kernel, then Linux is the OS, not Chrome. But nice try, Mike. :)
- Shawn C. Reed
Your FICO Score Follows You Around the Web | SEO Book.com - http://www.seobook.com/your-fi...
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Now Google knows your Fico Score
- Bret Rowe
Wow... frightening.
- Shawn C. Reed
Eternal Moonwalk - http://www.metafilter.com/83042...
of all the tribute sites i've seen so far, this one is definitely the coolest.
- Shawn C. Reed
Will Nokia Jettison Symbian for Android? - http://gigaom.com/2009...
i agree that it's very unlikely nokia would just ditch symbian altogether. and having used both operating systems, i find symbian to be far more user friendly, so i would hope they don't drop it... otherwise i'd have no reason to ever buy another nokia device. (the nokia 3350 still ranks as one of my favorite devices of all time...)
- Shawn C. Reed
Sprint swaggers, promises to be first to release 3G Femtocell in US - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
man, i really hope so!
- Shawn C. Reed
Vatica Indian Vegetarian Cuisine (5/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"I finally got around to eating here after being told by several friends how excellent the food is. And they were right! This is a place where you can eat often and always be able to enjoy something…"
- Shawn C. Reed
Face recognition comes to Flickr | Webware - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
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Without any big fuss, a face-recognition feature has been added to Flickr. The new feature was launched recently by Swedish start-up Polar Rose. It lets users import all their photos from a Flickr account to an account on Polar Rose, where the images are then automatically assembled into groups dedicated to various individuals. As with similar features in Google Picasa and Apple iPhoto, names eventually show up next to faces in the photos once the user has identified the faces. The labels then get sent back to the Flickr account. Polar Rose, founded by Swedish mathematician Jan Erik Solem in 2004, intends to license its technology to numerous Web sites.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I wonder if it'll work any better than the crappy face recognition in iPhoto...
- Shawn C. Reed
trying this at Polar Rose right now. Not sure how well it's going to handle my trying to import almost 24,000 photos into the site.
- Thomas Hawk
I saw Hakan Dahlstrom use it and thought "FINALLY"
- Shevonne
Catching up with Picasa, huh?
- bnoise
it's still "processing" my images after several hours now. I'm not so sure this thing is going to work for me.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I will wait till Flickr implements this internally. Surely they will have to implement it at some stage.
- CJPhoto
Google should have developed a face recognition system out of Picasa Web Albums. An API or something. They could have offered a way to identify faces on your PC, on Google Image, on FriendConnect-enabled websites and even Street View 2.0.
- Jérôme Flipo
Giving it a try now. Estimates 30 minutes to process my 900 photos.
- Andy Roth
No estimate for m 24,000 photos. simply a "processing your photos" progress bar with no progress indicated.
- Thomas Hawk
There aren't any faces in my Flickr stream, however I do use the face recognition in Picasa Web Albums and it works very well.
- Kenton
I'm alpha testing the face.com Photo Finder in Facebook, and that process seems less complex (at least to the user). Rather than explicitly telling you that Facebook photos are being exported to a separate account, Photo Finder allows you to appear to remain in Facebook as your photos are being processed.
- John E. Bredehoft
Same here... hours later, and still processing. Hmmm.
- Herb Hernandez
Herb, how many pictures do you have?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
24,000 pictures at once ? going by Andy's estimate, 13 hours worth. plus (hopefully) a 100% penalty for being silly enough to do so many at once.
- martin english
my ff crashed & facebook account would not let back in 4 now, thats ff's problems, I need 2 try w/Windows. I was using Kubuntu, one of the flavor of Ubuntu.
- polou/indigo_bow
so far Polar Rose has performed poorly in recognising other instances of the same person, though it generally knows when there is a face in the photo (although it also spends quite a lot of time asking me if rocks, lights, twigs, shadows etc are people)
- Ned Baker
so far I'm very unimpressed with Polar Rose. I checked it today and it only imported about 2,200 of my 24,000 photos. Worse than that though, performance on the site is awful. I keep getting a Firefox error message about an unresponsive script taking too long. They don't segregate out which of your photos have people in them vs. photos that do not so you are paging endlessly looking at thumbnails that are way to large to try and even find a photo you've got with a photo in it. Not at all user friendly.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm wary of apps like these now. I tried out Fotonaut several weeks ago and the app silently deleted my tags.
- Jauder Ho
Tried again on Win7beta, hmm, face recognition r precise. I am mixed about these kinds of recognition unless they r used for login or security or confirm friendship purposes??? What do u folks think??
- polou/indigo_bow
What do I think? Disclosure - I am employed in the biometrics industry. However, I assert that the possibility of Big Brother ganging up on the populace is remote. For example, after 9/11, it took YEARS for the FBI and DHS to exchange data.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I believe the military has been doing this for a while.
- anna sauce
For Teenagers, Hello Means ‘How About a Hug?’ - http://www.metafilter.com/82017...
and yet, somehow it's still okay for a bunch of teenage boys to shower naked together? :P disturbing... no wonder we're so closed off and afraid of intimacy in this country...
- Shawn C. Reed
Arresting photographs of pollution. - http://www.metafilter.com/81850...
wow. this is absolutely crazy. it's common to think that we here in the states have some of the worst pollution in the world, but sadly, that isn't true...
- Shawn C. Reed
Wondering if anyone has done research on how twitter/friendfeed commentary is affecting blog comment counts. Need tool to link the two.
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My blog comments haven't gone down. My blog posting, on the other hand, has definitely suffered because of Twitter and friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I @replied this on Twitter and FF didn't see the relationship. Would love to see that bridge.
- Dave Ferrick
The time i spend twittering would have been spent blogging. However as mobile usage grows, the mobile will become the preferred twitter device and we will get back to using our computers for blogging or work.
- Steve Plunkett
@rizzn & I talked about ff, disqus comments last night, think should flow like a two way street- he has some interesting stats
- michael sean wright
I've never maintained a blog regularly for any length of time - but I'll spend hours Friendfeeding and Facebooking. And I notice I'm getting a lot noisier here on ff.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
There are tools to bring FF discussion back to a blog. I think though, the more important question is, what is wrong with fragmented conversations? Paul Buchheit is right.. Discussions happen. Whether it's on friendfeed or around a kitchen table or on the original blog, the point is that they are happening. Eventually, us who converse can't help but return to you, the source, for things to talk about.
- Phil G
from BuddyFeed
Speaking just from personal experience, the availability of FF & tools like Disqus is making me much more likely to comment on a blog. And also of note, both tools make me much more likely to see a blog (because the link shows up in my stream from a trusted, respected source)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This is Allen Stern's pet issue, I'm sure he can give O'Reilly some stats for CenterNetworks. Edit: I tweeted the relevant links, hopefully Tim can take it from here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I've actually considered turning friendfeed into my full time blog comment platform. It links to global conversation and reputation management better than individual blogger/wordpress/etc platforms.
- boz
Most of LinkLogs are gone. They live on Twitter. Blogging has certainly gone down.
- Dorai
we've got a plug-in we use to pull FF comments into blog, cross post blog comments back to FF. Has increased our number of comments substantially
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, What's the plug in and is it available?
- Molly
The Backtype Connect plugin seems to work pretty well for Wordpress - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- Matt
There's a WordPress plugin, but I would dearly love an option for TypePad integration.
- Richard Akerman
I'm pretty sure RWW uses TypePad, Richard. Try messaging Marshall directly to see if you can't get a better response. Then again knowing RWW's high technical competence they may well have written their own plugin in house.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
the Movable Type plug-in we use was made by mt-hacks.com
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
My blog comments are down. People get personal when you comment on their blog. On FF/ Twitter, it's hard to delete your comments
- Vivek Puri
Unfortunately MT plugins can't be used directly in TypePad
- Richard Akerman
@Vivek - how is it hard to delete comments on FF?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel J. Pritchett since someone else might be posting the original story.
- Vivek Puri
the thread owner can delete comments. the comment owner can delete comments. that's about it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
can the MT plugin be used in Wordpress? I'm trying right now to figure out the best way to have both FriendFeed comments and Disqus comments on my blog.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan there's a WP plugin http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Richard Akerman
considering you can get twitter/friendfeed commentary in your blog now, i doubt its too big a deal these days. blog posting on the other hand, i notice that goes down nowadays... my rss reader isn't as filled up, as it used to be - FriendFeed is my new RSS reader
- Colin Charles
Rochard: Thanks Looking into that right now :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hmm...no, that's not quite what I want. I think I saw what I want on Techcrunch. I can't locate discussion that I saw here about it either. A magic trick that integrated 9at least one way - pull from FF) comments from FF into the blog commentary
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Rob: There's Disqus's FriendFeed sync, there's BackType's social mentions tracker, and there's Carter Rabasa's FF2Disqus as seen on LouisGray.com (https://ff2disqus.appspot.com/). Pick your poison!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Silos of comments aren't particularly useful, they lack the potential for connectivity. A friendfeed wordpress plugin would be the category killer.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert, do you mean your volume of posting comments on blogs has gone down, or that the content you post on your own blogs has gone down/suffered because of your posting on Twitter/Friendfeed? Like many others, I prefer your longer thought out pieces on your blogs than your posts; certainly, however, don't cut off your finger (microblogs) to spite your arm (blogs).
- Chris Aldrich
I'm pretty sure Scoble meant (note, his comment is a month old) that he no longer devotes as much time to posting at scobleizer.com as he once did. He is still wired 24/7, he's just spread his presence out to more outposts i.e. FriendFeed.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Chris: both have gone down because of friendfeed. But I'm still writing longer posts when the opportunity strikes me. I'm working on a long one about Zappos right now, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Analytics! Track whenever a blog comment is posted, and correlate those numbers against specific referring domains such as Facebook, Twitter, or Friendfeed to understand the impact. I do this with a number of my social-media-savvy clients and they love it.
- Shawn C. Reed
@Daniel interesting. May be worth it to Disqus-ify my blog just for the FF integration.
- Richard Akerman
Daniel: Thats IT! FF2Disqus Was the the item off to discover all the deets now :) Thanks!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Rob: If you like it be sure to publicly thank Carter Rabasa! He doesn't get enough love for his great contributions IMO. http://beta.friendfeed.com/cubanli...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: I will do that. I rave about my fav toys.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
today I noticed for the first time that ReadWriteWeb has an "also post to friendfeed" when commenting http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Jodi Schneider
i visit a more blogs and comment on them from twitter links, twitter has become the new rss feed for info.
- Steve Plunkett
I'm far more likely to comment on FF than on blogs, b/c blogs have more trolling and I don't revisit posts to check for replies.
- Daniel Dulitz
Does anyone else get the feeling that FF is not that big?
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Yeah, but then again I often get that feeling about the world.
- Alex Scoble
about a week back I looked at my stats I was something like in the top 350 for activity. That seemed awfully low to me.
- You.
it's only as big as you want it to be - follow more people and it will get a whole lot bigger
- Nathan Chase
It's not that, I'm seeing traffic (I follow 204 ppl currently). I was referring more to the activity rating.
- You.
It's perfect-sized. (TWSS)
- Josh Haley
No, Josh, it's Fun-size!
- ♥patricia♥
just fine in size and emerging
- Thomas Power
Yep... but I think that might be because I don't follow enough people.
- Evan Travers
I'm not seeing a lot of diversity of opinion. Is this just because it's all first adopters?
- You.
Still finding my way around it (slowly) and figuring out best way to use it. A bit scary as it involves *iteracting* with other people!
- Nick B.
Yes. I've not been here long, not subscribing to many people, and I keep seeing the filled in speech bubble indiscussions, sometimes not very active people either.
- Jalada
What opinions do you seek? Not sure what you are looking for.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Everything has to start somewhere, you can't instantly have 4 million users. Quality first, then quantity, then Britney Spears.
- Steve C
Don't get me wrong, it's fun and all. I'm not knocking the experience. I'm just noticing and wondering if others see it too.
- You.
I don't think Friendfeed would suit Britney. IT'S HARD Y'ALL!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Agreeing with Dave-o, I'm not complaining at the moment either :-)
- Jalada
I think FF's still in its early stages, with mainly tech early adopters. Nothing wrong with that, but I hope/think it will expand.
- Tom Landini
You would think there would be more programmer chatter, but I"m not seeing it. There are a few rooms (lists, whatever it's called these days) but not many members.
- You.
Yeah, I hate that I've had such a hard time finding groups on FF that relate to my work or my interests. If any exist at all, they're generally pretty devoid of members and activity.
- Shawn C. Reed
Dave-o one way to get programmer chatter going is to post some things you're interested in along these lines. If I see them in your feed I'll subscribe, otherwise I might not. The groups I don't often follow because it's a bit too much work, but if there's something really good or they are about a current event, etc I might subscribe.
- Loren Heiny
Awesome, that'll be two of us. :)
- You.
FriendFeed is somewhat like a small world. Not that many very active users.
- Meryn Stol
*whispers* Okay, ask me a question if you want.
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*why are you whispering?* :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Because I'm afraid no one will ask a question. Yay, Sean!
- Yolanda
Abby, the first one that popped in my head was "Candy" by Big Maybelle. But, that is because I just love singing along.
- Yolanda
Read any good book lately?
- Brome
paper or plastic?
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
Why are you so awesome?
- Josh Haley
Peanuts. Salted, Honey Roasted, or Boiled?
- Nathan Chase
Caffeinated beverage of choice?
- Shawn C. Reed
Fight or Flight?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yay! more questions. Let's see. Brome, I'm currently reading Stephen King's latest collection of short stories. I am definitely enjoying it.
- Yolanda
Glen, I would prefer paper, but, the stores around here don't seem to offer paper anymore.
- Yolanda
*whispering* Nutella or peanut butter?
- Steven Perez
Josh - you're silly. <6
- Yolanda
Nathan - salted! But sometimes honey roasted are nommy too.
- Yolanda
Whose feed is your favorite, excluding mine of course, ;)
- RAPatton
Shawn - currently I'm making my own little mocha. 1 packet hot chocolate, coffee (Columbian), and some half and half. When I feel wild and crazy, I grab a white mocha.
- Yolanda
TG - depends on my mood.
- Yolanda
Favorite M&M variety? Hint: the answer is peanut butter!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
favorite book? movie? toy? muppet? thank you. <3
- ♥patricia♥
Steven, I haven't eaten Nutella before. Don't hurt me!!
- Yolanda
RAP - nice try, mister!
- Yolanda
Actually Tina, my favorite is plain. Usually accompanied by popcorn.
- Yolanda
Where do you dream of visiting (that you haven't been before)?
- joey
Pea, my favorite book is "The Sparrow" by Mary Doria Russell. As for movies, I never list just one. A batch of my favorites are: Amelie, Finding Nemo, Jumanji, Lake Placid, and Trois couleurs: Rouge. Muppet: Kermie. I still have a crush on him. I can't watch the new Kermie because it hurts my heart. And thank you, miss lady. ^_^
- Yolanda
THERE'S A NEW KERMIT?!? the things i miss by not working with kids anymore.
- ♥patricia♥
Wow!
- joey
When are we gonna do a meet up?
- Michelle Martinez
Well, Kermit has a new voice since Jim Henson died. I believe it is Henson's son that is his voice now. Just isn't the same.
- Yolanda
Michelle, I've been wondering the same. When I go visit my sister on my own, I think we should give it a shot.
- Yolanda
Yes, definitely! Let us know and we are there!
- Michelle Martinez
Is there a possibility you are one of the two-hundred Mexican cousins I've never met? :-D
- Anna Haro
Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near?
- Josh Haley
What's your favorite TV comedy about three priests on a small island off the coast of northern Ireland?
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
What's your favorite color for your toenails?
- Admiral Anika
Who do you like better? Me or Pea?
- B. Hatin
Anna - it is distinctly possible. I'm guessing I don't know 99% of my family.
- Yolanda
Josh - it must be the bird seed I keep stashed in my pockets.
- Yolanda
Glen - ummmm... you tell me.
- Yolanda
Anika - don't really paint my toenails very often. but, when I do, it is usually OPI's color "I'm not really a waitress" AKA bitch red.
- Yolanda
Frank - I'd have to vote bathtub.
- Yolanda
Kaia - I like you both equally. ;P
- Yolanda
Thanks, Yo.
- ♥patricia♥
What would your alter ego super hero name be?
- Janet
Janet - that's easy... I'm "I-don't-know Woman!"
- Yolanda
Yolanda, your non super hero is the "I-don't-know-Woman" - I think your superhero name should be HelloKittyNinja
- Janet
ok, ben and jerry's: new york super fudge chunk, chocolate chip cookie dough, or cherry garcia? and why.
- edythe
Hmmmm... I haven't had any of those flavors. I'd pick New York Super Fudge Chunk because it has lots of words. Just kidding. I'd choose it because I'm all about chocolaty goodness. Cherry is cloying to me most times and cookie dough doesn't sound appetizing to me.
- Yolanda
Invisibility or Flight?
- Sean Oliver
Invisibility.
- Yolanda
Once US police are allowed to waterboard US citizens as part of an investigation, I will view it as a valid interrogation technique.
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I wish I knew about it when my brother hid my SnakeEyes and Stormshadow figures.....
- Matthew DeVries
Not sure what distinction that provides -- but I suggest you not wish for this.
- Brian Sullivan
Once US police are allowed to waterboard US citizens as part of an investigation, I will view it as a sign that I need to get the f**k out of this country, thankyouverymuch. :P
- Shawn C. Reed
I wouldn't agree with the use of torture anyway.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
I don't wish for this, at all. My statement is similar to "I'll see it as valid when pigs fly": the American public would never tolerate these types of techniques being used against them by their own government.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
from fftogo
Tina, I'm pretty sure that you're being facetious, but I have to agree with Brian on this one. Be careful what you ask for (even if you're not asking for it). (edit facetious - all five vowels in order)
- Greg Guitarbuster
And Tina -- I am saying that pigs may well fly - Americans have been surprisingly tolerant to the rise of fascism in the US. (and again I don't see any distinction between CIA torturing non US citizens and US police torturing US citizens -- both are heinous -- and making a distinction even jokingly is scary in its own right)
- Brian Sullivan
Observing seeing someone making a distinction between CIA torturing non US citizens and US police torturing US citizens even jokingly as merely "scary" when it is clearly "super scary plus eleventy" makes me violently ill and unable to function, I just woke up from a seizure brought on by pure rightous offendendness, forcing me to spend the entire weekend fasting to attempt to cleanse humanity. (am I winning most offended, thus most over-righteous sitting on a high horse contest yet?)
- Matthew DeVries
Hyperbole folks, I'm speaking in hyperbole! THERE IS NO DISTINCTION, that's my whole freaking point. For those that think waterboarding etc. are valid interrogation techniques I would expect that they have no qualms seeing those same techniques utilized in standard investigations by US police forces across the country. If the DO have qualms about our police using those techniques, then...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
What's interesting to me is the spin some are putting on the justice dept memos about using torture. At first, it was waterboarding, etc. weren't effective in uncovering useful information. Now Cheney and others are saying they did get valuable information. Who do you believe; does it really matter?
- Tom Landini
Getting valuable information isn't really relevant, because there is no way to measure if non-violent means of coercion could have yielded the same information, in a shorter time, more of it, while not sacrificing your soul. Yes, I can drive nail effectively with a wrench but.......
- Matthew DeVries
I guess it comes down to, I'd rather die and/or burry family and friends in a proper america, than live to be an old man in Cheney's America. A long life with that kind of stain on your collective soul isn't really living.
- Matthew DeVries
Well Tina you are a FFing Enigma, hence still a bit unknown.
- CW™
Matthew: That's why I asked does it matter that it works. Do we as a people endorse this kinda stuff, or don't we. After all the debate and stuff, it comes down to that.
- Tom Landini
oh well they are authorized to use the taser.. so thats close enough !
- Peter Dawson
There is a whole segment of us who can answer questions about "torture" and its long term effects and the ethics involved. I've conducted "waterboardings". I've "tortured" people...but it's always been voluntary. The debate is ongoing...and I can tell you I do NOT agree with what the government allowed. If you care to read the debate, do so...it's NSFW, so be warned. http://cli.gs/ndzBR2
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Tasers are used as defense weapons Peter, not as interrogation devices. If you're aware of a municipality that has authorized the use of tasers for interrogation purposes, let us know.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Does the choice really come down to that Matthew? Bury my family or live in an America I would despise? Because I'd do anything to protect my 2 little boys.
- Kevin Whalen
from your lips to...uh-oh
- Anthony Farrior
Kevin - the morally correct decision will ALWAYS leaves one vulnerable to attack by amoral, while the amoral decision will often close the door to retribution. A dead, starving, marginalized, or starving enemy cannot hurt you, but what you did to make them that way probably burned out your humanity.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew - I'm not advocating waterboarding, but I'm not going to go so far as to say I'd sacrifice my family for that position.
- Kevin Whalen
But you do have to risk them, that's the line.
- Matthew DeVries
Arianna Huffington weighs in on this: "But this is not about personal pique or a desire for vengeance. It's about the nation's fundamental morality." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna...
- Tom Landini
That's rich. Arianna Huffington commenting on morality.
- Robert Kenney
Umm, and why shouldn't she? She's a left-wing journalist, and... ?
- Karl Knechtel
When Congress is allowed to waterboard each other, while we all watch it on CSPAN, then I'll accept it.
- April Russo (app103)
Maybe the Sunday morning political talk shows should make a few changes. "Today on Meet The Press, we're waterboarding former Vice President Dick Cheney...."
- Pat Rice
Whoa. What happened to my list of friends on the right? They were replaced by "groups!"
Nicholas James, Julien Bérubé, Eric Geller and 14 other people liked this
Yeah I just noticed that too. What the hell?
- Shawn C. Reed
Yeah, I was kind of poking around and noticed the sudden change. I definitely dig it!
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
omg, color :o
- chaz2b
it's the wave of the future, smart clusters?
- michael sean wright
why did i just notice it myself now?
- Bryce Campbell
I still have my friends list to the right.??
- Judy W.
The thing is that Twit Conversations use to be in Groups but no more. Only thing there is Twit A Room for TWIT.Twit Conv in Home only
- Greg
Apple approves 'Baby Shaker' for App Store | Apple - CNET News - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
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Updated 1:25 p.m. - Apple has pulled Baby Shaker from the App Store. If you needed any further proof that Apple's App Store approval process is horrifyingly out of whack, consider one of the latest additions to the App Store: Baby Shaker. A company called Sikalosoft is currently selling a $0.99 iPhone application called Baby Shaker, as of Monday. The object of Baby Shaker is to stop the incessant crying of an infant pictured on screen by violently shaking the iPhone, at which point two red "x" marks appear over the baby's eyes. "See how long you can endure his or her adorable cries before you just have to find a way to quiet the baby down!" reads the sales pitch for Baby Shaker.
- Leo Laporte
SO glad they had the sense to pull this. Sheesh.
- Shawn C. Reed
What's the criteria here? Should apple be making judgements of taste or just checking compatibility? Seems like they are cutting themselves a LOT of work.
- dthree
So, this made it though (on the first go), but they won't allow a South Park app, which plays episodes /already available through iTunes/?
- Jennifer Dittrich
Just in case people are that stupid.
- Richard A.
My faith in apple is totally justified.
- Connor "The Lazy Geek"
Somehow I get the feeling that the whole purpose of the app was to test Apple. A test that Apple eventually passed, but not immediately.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Agreed, Chris. I give Apple an "F" on this. Should have never even made it to the store.
- Fleagle
Embarrassed to be an Apple/iPhone devotee when I read these stories.
- Christopher Aloi
Surprising that this actually slipped through the apple approval process..
- tojfs7931
How in the world do they let this through?!
- Kevin Whalen
You have to wonder if apple didn't let this "slip" through on purpose to generate controversy...
- tojfs7931
Shake it baby! Seriously speaking, somebody could pass any kind of software that reveal hidden functionality, say, after six months time trigger. How could they audit that or do they go through the source codes, too?
- Jemm
Why couldn't this be the 1billionth app downloaded
- Jamie Vidamour
A true WTF
- Rob Owen
For how many weeks is this one going to keep popping up?
- Richard A.
Question for programmers: Am I unusual in the sense that I often times will have a breakthrough idea in the middle of the night (last night I literally woke out of a sound sleep at around 2AM) that keeps you up for the remainder of the evening? Once the idea hits my brain just goes out of the control with ways to implement the solution, etc ..
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Most of the time (last night being no exception) the "middle of the night ideas" are terrific and usually solve a problem that I was stuck on the day before. Do any of you experience the same thing? I am going to try writing everything down that immediately comes to mind then forcing myself to go back to sleep.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I've heard of other coders having the same thing. I sometimes do this with friendfeed discussions. :)
- Alex Scoble
I know several programmers like this.
- joey
Alex: Ahh so that is "the method to your madness"! :-)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I'm pretty sure that alcohol explains those quite adequately, Nicholas. ;)
- Alex Scoble
when I was coding this was something that happened to me as well .. figured out at some point I was more productive in these late night / early morning sessions
- Steven Hodson
Sure. In fact, I often hold off for a time on a project because I get this feeling that something is not right. After a while when all the ingredients have marinated long enough that thought fights its way into consciousness and the feeling changes to aah, that's the right way.
- Todd Hoff
That happens to me *all* the time. I've not only woken from a sound sleep but literally jumped out of bed in the middle of the night and ran to the computer to start coding something before the idea left my head. If I got too tired to continue I'd just make some quick notes and return to it when I woke up. :) But yeah... I can definitely relate.
- Shawn C. Reed
yeah, i'm kinda pissed when this happens. really need my sleep. if my brain is doing this kinda stuff when i'm comatose, i figure i got bigger problems. but, yeah, it still happens sometimes.
- MikeAmundsen
when I was an active coder this used to happen to me all the time, being stuck in an endless loop were the nightmares of course :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
Great responses everyone, it sounds like I am most definitely not alone on this one. I would really like to find a solution for this, I will try writing everything down as it flows out of my head then going back to sleep. RE: Shawn C. Reed: I have taken that approach before as well (jumped out of bed and started coding) but then I never fall back a sleep :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Yes, absolutely. I have found that when I am stuck on something it is best to stop trying and let my mind chew on it in the background. Sometimes it's just as simple as leaving the office and walking for an hour or so, sometimes it hits me in my sleep or just after I have woken up.
- Jeremy Brooks
True story: One time I was hunting down a bug. How to fix it occurred to me slightly before I went to sleep. I then proceeded to DREAM about fixing the bug. ALL NIGHT LONG. It was the right solution, but I'd rather dream about something fun.
- Wirehead
GM Plans to Skip $1 Billion Debt Payment - WSJ.com - http://online.wsj.com/article...
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"General Motors Corp. Chief Financial Officer Ray Young said the company doesn't plan on making a $1 billion debt payment due June 1 and is relying on either a successful debt-for-equity exchange or court protection to dramatically lower its outstanding debt. Mr. Young, speaking to reporters on the sidelines of a Chinese auto industry summit near Detroit, said the company will launch a debt-for-equity exchange in coming days aimed at greatly reducing its $28 billion unsecured debt load. He said GM needs to move quickly to commence the offer in time to wrap it up by June 1, the federal government deadline it faces for revamping the company. Mr. Young said GM is determined to restructure and get back on its feet soon, and will right the ship "in court or out of court." He said a trip to bankruptcy court is "probable," but indicated the company has the full backing of the U.S. government."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
This is the kind of company we're bailing out? Absolutely no responsibility, no accountability, no ethics... let them die already.
- Shawn C. Reed
Sigh.
- Chris
perhaps they should make cars people want...ahh, too late for that
- Michael
+1 Michael
- Anthony Citrano
yeah they dug their hole and sold their employees out. where's my bailout for my dumb financial decisions?
- trout soup
from Nambu
Bankruptcy asap. My new GM truck is powerful, efficient, well made, problem free and runs like snot. Some of their products are good, some less than. They just have so many side issues to deal with; legacy costs, labor costs, facility costs, parts supplier problems, etc. It will work out, with some pain.
- Robert Kenney
What San Francisco/Silicon Valley can learn from the Twittering company: Zappos - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Truly the playbook for how a successful company should be run.
- Shawn C. Reed
I have this fear of accidently hitting the facebook 'Like' button when someone posts devastatingly life changing bad news to their status.
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Well, it's funny to me how the meaning of "Like" is different on sites like FB and FF anyways. For example, if somebody posts some news about impending economic collapse... I mark it as "Liked" because it interests me, but I'm certainly not looking forward to doomsday either, ya know? :)
- Shawn C. Reed
Athens first-grader arrested for hitting teacher | ajc.com - http://blog.rickdavies.net/2009...
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Such a bunch of crap. I think it's pathetic that teachers act as though they can't DO THEIR JOB and take control of the situation. This isn't the first situation like this that's happened in recent memory, and sadly I'm sure it won't be the last because people refuse to take responsibility for their children and would rather let the schools and the police and everyone else deal with them instead.
- Shawn C. Reed
sarien.net - http://sarien.net/
Awesome site where you can play classic Sierra games right in your browser! This kicks ass!
- Shawn C. Reed
Why are people so hung up on measuring Social Media? There is no ROI. The real benchmarks are the community & loyal, evangelical consumers.
Dimitar Vesselinov, Christian (Simply X), Faraz Mullick and 14 other people liked this
This is for marketing and PR. It's been the ongoing theme for a few days now.
- Mona Nomura
if you can't monetize, then it goes under.
- grant fox
But but but if you can't monetize social media does that mean bears crap in the woods when a tree falls?
- Sparky
Not the actual sites - we're talking about WHY brands need to utilize social media.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Agreed. ESPECIALLY in technology. 80% are clueless morons. That's why they're dispensable
- Mona Nomura
Mona, it is because people are so desparate to believe they have relevance, whether as a developer or a user. It's human nature.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Maslow.
- Mona Nomura
gotcha Mona. then yeah, i'm with you.
- grant fox
Measuring ROI gets budgets adjusted, people hired, and the bean counters can sleep at night. Also measuring ROI can be a benchmark to tell if you suck at social media. *How* you measure is complected and ugly but should be done.
- Andrew Smith
Ya - well look at what's happening to all major brands. Blaming it on the economy is no longer good enough. Shift focus or get left behind. Period.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, there is ROI, we just haven't figured out how to measure it yet
- Tweet Feeds
Then obviously you don't understand social media.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, maybe you could clarify your initial statement? (it's 140 chars from twitter after all...)
- Meryn Stol
I have a flow of Tweets on my timeline and feed :)
- Mona Nomura
Well I simply don't understand your statement. What do you mean there's no ROI? loyal and evangelical customers will eventually result in higher sales, or option to command higher margins. That's "ROI" I'd say. But maybe you have a more restricted definition of ROI.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn - that does not fly for Fortune 500s. They are about numbers and results. They don't get it.
- Mona Nomura
Lots of things Fortune 500's (or any other company for that matter) do can't be directly measured. Who - for example - knows the "ROI" of product quality? Still there's some sense that you better can't deliver crap to consumers. It will eventually bite you.
- Meryn Stol
The ROI seems very high, but also not so easy to measure with any accuracy. The same could probably said of the ROI of time spent on friendfeed in general.
- Nathaniel Thurston
And what's the "ROI" of apple's genius bar exactly? Looking at it naively, it only costs them money.
- Meryn Stol
Business *is* numbers and results Mona. I totally agree social media is "worth" it but it's like websites in the 90's. Today we know you must have one but in the beginning people didn't see the value, needed to measure, then approve.
- Andrew Smith
I simply think that most people who talk about the ROI of social media have a much looser definition than you do, Mona... They say "eventually it pays off".
- Meryn Stol
What it comes down to, is how well you can explain your understanding of social media and WHY corporations benefit. Andrew - no. That type of thinking is detrimental and produces a lot of CRAP. Meryn, they don't.
- Mona Nomura
Ok, Mona, then I'm badly informed. Sorry.
- Meryn Stol
"What it comes down to, is how well you can explain your understanding of social media and WHY corporations benefit." to that, I'd say: put social media in the same bucket as all other things corporations do without knowing the exact ROI.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn - that may be the case in Europe but here, it's still a struggle. Especially in certain industries. THat is why there are HORDES of analysts and experts pushing all kinds of bizarre numbers in our faces.
- Mona Nomura
Loyalty can still be linked to ROI
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Not in an ego filled world such as entertainment.
- Mona Nomura
i swear web2.0 expo was all about measuring social media
- anna sauce
But Social Media is applicable far more industries than entertainment. The way I see it, ANY business activity can be measured and be used to calculate ROI
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Tell that to the experts pushing all these irrelevant charts and graphs in our faces. So annoying.
- Mona Nomura
I hear you. I've seen a lot of BS ROI calculations that don't tell a thing. But there is something to be said for measuring how effectively your resources are being used
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I like throwing around words that I have no clue what they mean, like Social Median, Social Graph, CPMs, etc
- Matthew DeVries
Exactly Shey! What is the cost of not working on something else?
- Andrew Smith
@Andrew Yup!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Mona, from personal experience, when we advise clients to dive into social media, the first question they ask is how we measure the results. We can talk about qualitative benefits all we want, but at the end of day, some still want something they can quantify.
- Kevin Pedraja
Maybe, I think I understand your statement better now: You're saying that demonstrated increase in customer loyalty and satisfaction (and such) should be enough to convince management, and arguments should be made to support that, not direct financial benefits. Am I right?
- Meryn Stol
The arguments that support that do tie into direct financial benefits. There are many studies and results out there that support the concept of customer loyalty. Do you guys read The Economist? There are many articles on CMOs and how major brands are changing the company's ecology to align with the current market's. It's about throwing out everything you thought you knew and approaching things from a different angle. (I have many articles, numbers, charts, and case studies to back-up what I'm saying)
- Mona Nomura
Uhuh. Yes, I see what you're saying now. I'm familiar with that. It's not necessary to link social media directly to financials. Also, there's more and more the notion of mission-driven companies: Hopefully, companies actually *want* satisfied customers, not just profit. (profit is more of a by-effect for mission-driven companies)
- Meryn Stol
But you can't say that or the companies will just think you're corny. ;) It's about how you articulate what you know, to numbers are everything type people. If they still don't get it, that company is doomed. LOL
- Mona Nomura
Tension between the finance-guys and the mission-guys is a whole different story. That's well-known. Also, it can be really hard to focus on mission if investors want you to focus on quarterly results.
- Meryn Stol
+10^100 @Mona. Now, I could really use some help getting over how freaked out I feel that the notion of producing a durable product at a reasonable price and providing actual human point-of-contact service could be a revolutionary business model.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
The problem is companies only have a finite amount of resources. Be that dollars or people. Now a smart company will take a balanced approach but it's hard to compete with the guy doing Adsense that says for every dollar he spends he gets $1.75 back. So how do you get more resources towards social media? Bosses and board members need "something".
- Andrew Smith
Hahahhaha! It's funny how people make things so difficult. Andrew - look at all the recent articles. Ad Sense? LOL Those days are over and I doubt they're coming back. People that 'get that' first will win.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, anything you could recommend us to read specifically? I'm not sure to what type of recent articles you're referring to. Know that I'm well-read on things like social entrepreneurship and such. I know other ways to look at business.
- Meryn Stol
I don't follow Mona. What days?
- Andrew Smith
The Economist, Seth Godin, and Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs applied to business, Meryn. @Andrew: this is only one example http://www.emarketer.com/Article... If you are still concentrating on monetizing from ads, you are already behind.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, this is a part of my weekly activities professionally, so I very much feel your frustration. However, within the enterprise there's no escaping it. Here are three excellent links specific to enterprise. http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009... http://www.pretzellogic.org/2009... http://blogs.zdnet.com/Hinchcl...
- jcunwired
LOL. Wow, easy to get sidetracked! Yes, Mona, Web 2.0 is the same as dot.com, and seems to be facing the same potential peril if it continues to allow business to direct its course. As it is, Social Media has already reached a near-entropic state. The only "new" things are more skins for existing APIs and even more stat-analysis and stat-pumping tools. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
As I said, smart business will take a balanced approach. With finite resources though how do you "educate" the powers-that-be they should put more effort/energy/money in social media rather than print/outdoor/tv?
- Andrew Smith
Social media is not about consumers, it's about friendships to start with. When are marketers and Socmed people going to understand that?
- Richard A.
It's not about putting more effort into it than print or tv, it's about incorporating it into their already existing marketing models. Digital marketing is not about distributing and pushing ads everywhere, it's about the two way push of content, engaging the consumers. Andrew... :(
- Mona Nomura
We're certainly approaching a time where the awareness of how much we've allowed marketing and advertising to distract us from truly important things is upsetting the fruit basket. What I'd like to be a part of is the tending to the actual needs of people, rather than the needs of a failing old-world business model.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Ya - well I would be lying if I said I don't really care about the business that have horrible practices failing anyway lolol.
- Mona Nomura
Do you think social media would have saved the banks or auto industry?
- Andrew Smith
Ok. Just to be clear Mona, we're on the same side of the fence here. I'm just looking to justify the existence or creation of social media in business. In business, this is $ and the fuzzy side of customer engagement equation doesn't seem to be getting through.
- Andrew Smith
It's not about the fuzzies, it's about rethinking business models. Banks and autos are the products of what happens with bad business practices and our culture of instant gratification. And no, I do not think social media would've saved them.
- Mona Nomura
You're right; social media won't save a bank or a car company. And it won't save a lot of other companies either. But on the flipside, there are some that it could help tremendously. Being able to measure the impact that a company's investment in social media is having is critical in my opinion. If you're paying someone to post stuff for your company on Facebook, or write blog posts, or update about company happenings on Twitter... and this isn't generating ad revenue or whatever, then why bother?
- Shawn C. Reed
Dear Shawn C Reed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/monasfe...
- Mona Nomura
It's a technologically updated version of the whizzing contest.
- Christian (Simply X)
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