I played it for a couple of months when it first came out. Then when everyone caught on to it, I quit playing. I have that app (along with all the others like it) completely blocked now.
- Jason Huebel
I've blocked all those apps in facebook, so I can have a readable stream with a low s/n ratio when I go in there. I'm not miserable, but I spend enough hours at a computer as it is, without trying to waste more time!
- Ian May
I played Farm Town for about two weeks. It was too much work for a "game," so I gave up. I never got into Farmville. My "friends" still send me all kinds of stuff from both games, though.
- Curtiss Grymala
I don't play games. Just don't like to. Every so often I post an announcement that I won't respond to your game invitation so don't take offense. People still hit me with "pillows" and "food" and whatnot. Have they MET me?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I love Farmville....there I said it. If ya don't like it, tough squat. I also play Cafe World, Pet Society, Farm Town and Mafia Wars, even though Mafia Wars is bugging me lately. I know people get sick of the apps, but they are fun time wasters. :P I guess I like Farmville because I am bringing out my inner farmer, since I'm from the country originally. :P
- Mol, Time Warping
I don't play farmville, but I do play Enchanted island (nice passive rpg that doesn't really annoy your friends) and the Backstage games (did the artwork for a charity prize set in Scratch & Win). And Bejeweled Blitz kind of grabs me every once in awhile when I get really bored. Come to think of it, I don't really have an interest in facebook beyond those few games.
- April Russo (app103)
I don't play any games on facebook. I avoid most apps like the plague.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Me neither. I've got so many invitations to play it, it is not even funny :P
- Claudia Petrilli
I personally don't get the app craze on FB - I have a hard enough time just keeping up with people...tried at the beginning - lost interest.
- Robyn Hawk
Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging people who play the games. I used to play the trivia games on there, like the one about the TV show Arrested Development. I even played that infernal Lil' Greenpatch one cuz I found out they really do donate to environmental orgs. I just happened to see this abundance of notices about the game Farmville and it struck me as this huge craze. I'm glad I know how to hide those notices now.
- Laura Norvig
No Facebook games at all. In fact, I was somewhat appalled to find one of my AdGabber friends playing Mafia Wars. Although I suppose I shouldn't take it so hard - he's an agency type - not a geek.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
In Italy we use to say: "Two good arms hijacked from Agriculture" and that's a very good reason NOT to play Farmville!
- marcoscud
Farmville won't show me all the screen, not just on my TabletPC, but on my desktop (widescreen) w/ Firefox. People tell me I can, er, was it resize or pop the screen out, don't remember? However, that icon doesn't make it into what little of Farmville shows. I prefer Farm Town, anyway. I don't want to be bothered with fertilizing and watering and all that stuff. If I want to do all that, I'll switch to real life. I don't even play Farm Town anymore; I like Castle Age. I SMACKED THE CRAP OUTTA THAT HYDRA!
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
I've never played it, or it's ilk, either. Same deal with the various "games" on Twitter like SpamMaster, erm SpyMaster...
- Tyson Key
on both facebook and myspace these are usually a pretty bad experience. lots of people you know from long ago and have no need knowing now :)
- sean percival
I'm 24, Louis - about a month away from the quarter-century mark. I'd rather pretend those things are far, far off into my future.
- Shawn Farner
You know the part in the movie where our heroine sees little kids running in her peripheral vision and you just know those little kids are evil and then they start giggling and it just confirms it & then you start yelling, 'GIRL, GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE!!!"? That's totally my house right now.
Speaking of Reader, Friendfeed doesn't seem to be getting shares on time. Tweets are late too :( Still using Reader but thru Feedly :)
- RK
...The new lists feature is totally making Twitter FAR BETTER than Google Reader. The only thing Twitter doesn't have yet is full text. But I've gotten over that. So, why is Louis Gray still holding onto Google Reader, even though Google Reader is slower and lamer than Twitter is (combined with FriendFeed)?
- Robert Scoble
Off topic question on Twitter lists: Sometimes when I try to add someone to a list of mine using the dropdown, I click the checkbox, the little icon spins, but the click doesn't take and the person isn't added. This happens a lot but not always. Anyone else getting this?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Reader and Twitter are very different tools. Virtually every blog and news site has RSS/Atom feeds. Most don't have their own Twitter feed. And 140 characters, with URL shorteners? Get real.
- LogEx
You are comparing apple and oranges. Using twitter as an RSS reader is almost as bad as following everyone back
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I still bookmark websites. Cause it works for me. But what do I know?
- Derrick
I still use Google Reader all day long, love the state save between mobile and desktop. I use it for the "hard news" stream, sans crowd commentary and noisy/redundant mashup of "friends'" likes. Great for following a multitude of obscure blogs.
- Allred
I see a pattern here: Tomorrow's provocative tweet is going to be: Ok, Google Reader is very much alive. The real question is when will Robert Scoble get back to blogging!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin. Twitter is my RSS, has been for months. I have not gone to Google Reader in months.
- Paramendra Bhagat
Dear Jesus, here we goez again! WHEEEeee, would this be it's 3rd Life or reincarnation if you're a practicing Buddhist? Or maybe see what's up, give em call...
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble - Have you tried to use Email notifications or their Adobe Air desktop notifications? They are sorely lagging by 15 minutes or longer. No longer "real time"
- joebrooks
Ok, that's just a bit too provocative -- I can't think of a single major service that Twitter can claim to replace, and Reader, one of the best apps on the web, certainly ain't one -- maybe if Reader had a "random crap" feature, that's where Twitter would encroach
- Christopher Galtenberg
I agree. Google Reader *is* dead. It's certainly been very dead for me. I use it basically only to post articles to Twitter and FriendFeed. Lately I've been doing less GReader sharing and more favorites on Twitter.
- Dennis Jernberg
Or rather, GReader's dead as a social network type thing. It remains very good at what it is: a Web-based RSS reader. But I do like the fact that you can share articles to Twitter, FF, Facebook, etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hmm? Google Reader and RSS are fantastic. I am not impressed by Twitter favorites. Also not impressed by comment bait. :) Carry on.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is only a meta-stream. You give up comprehensiveness for sheer popularity and randomness.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I will stop using Google Reader when blogs and Web sites start publishing, replaced outright by Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Poor Louis - he keeps getting picked on today :-( (sorry - I started it)
- Jesse Stay
I want a better tool for the job - nothing does what Reader does for me right now. I wish Reader would focus on that aspect and not the comments or likes or such. Build a solid (not slow) platform for sharing and reading the news. Make the UI less confusing. Then maybe they could socialize it. Regardless I won't switch because there's nothing that gives me news and lets me share it like Google Reader does now. I just wish it was better.
- Jesse Stay
Now Twitter is better than Google Reader? I guess I'm using all these technologies the wrong way because I use Google Reader waaaay differently than Twitter. I'm starting to wonder if someone brainwashed Scoble at the last Twitter event or something... it's getting a little bizarre.
- Jan Ole Peek
Welp, I'm using it so it's not dead to me.
- Shawn Farner
The recent spike in the 'dead' meme is just plain odd. Is it an expression of having too many things to do? The need to have some losers, and hence a desire to be on the side that does the killing? Would we prefer a Microsoft-like monopoly, or a limited Microsoft/Apple/Linux-like menu? Is attention too frazzled to tolerate and even enjoy a wide ecosystem of tools?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, it's just a slow news week I think. As Scoble said, we're kind of in an in-between period right now and it's frustrating.
- Jesse Stay
I still use Google Reader the same way that I've been using Google Reader for months - namely, to share items of interest to my Google Reader and FriendFeed followers (and now, my Facebook followers who see my FriendFeed entries). Perhaps it's worthwhile to note that I don't use Google Reader as a social network; I can't ever find the comments that are attached to Google Reader items.
- John E. Bredehoft
Big shrug. Feeds are feeds. I don't love any of the interfaces. Growing fonder (sigh) of FB, though, as a hub for all of it. (No pink sheep though. Please.)
- Kathy Fitch
I never really use the Google Reader interface. But integrating with feedly is great.
- Nils Sandin
What are your guy's thoughts on bloglines.com?
- Eric Vreeland
I consider that del.ici.ous should move towards twitter-like or friendfeed-like functionality. Or perhaps google's equivalent of del.ici.ous (could never figure out what that is actually called and how to get back to it each time) should blend in a jaiku layer.
- Ian Tindale
+ to Louis G calling it...approximately, more accurately though: load deflection disguised as link bait,
- sofarsoShawn
Consider how "retweeting" would have turned out if "twitter favorites" were listed in your own twitter timeline/feed. Twitter favorites are the greatest example of a feature that never was.
- Andy Bakun
retweeting has found me many folks to follow I almost never check favorites counter intutive use of time an attention as the flow of tweets go by and I'm holding a conversations
- WarLord
Of course you never check twitter favorites, it's has like zero social utility on twitter, they only ever show up if you click on someone's favorites list.
- Andy Bakun
well as long as everyone agrees ff is alive :D
- Mike Chelen
Another question: Why are you using Louis Gray as a model?
- Amit Morson
Amit: Because we all agree that Louis Gray is our perennial model. Obviously. :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Google reader is an information option for me as well. Different channels give me diverse looks on the stream. 2D plots are dead because 3D plots exist, not in this reality Robert.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I find this interesting that Scoble wonders why people use an RSS reader, but wants more human curation. People need to seed the sharing, and those people are using RSS readers. Twitter would be helpful if there are a group of people curating news for you, then the most popular items continue to get shared.
- Rob Diana
@Diana, I totally agree. There's not enough information density on Twitter when compared to the compact layout of Google Reader. I can see which feeds have new items, I then select a feed and scan headlines, drill in and read one or two stories from each, mark the rest as read. Twitter is just a pile of noise compared to the organization that comes with RSS. I do share a ton of links out of Reader into my Twitter stream though.
- Crutis
Robert, Not everyone cares so much about real-time .. some of us actually want to find something other than what's hot today or last week. We might even want to have a "conversation" that's semi-organized.
- Chris Myles
It's not about information density for me. It's also about quality of content. There are a lot of great writers who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
another one of those incredibly naive " x technology/service is dead article". Sure the social aspect of Greader may be "dead" but that wasn't Greader's real focus...Greader will keep on going because certain people use it in a way that can't be replicated by twitter/friendfeed or facebook...and people will keep on using twitter, friendfeed and facebook because as similar as they are can be they can be used in very different ways.
- David Rodriguez
Chris: me too. But I've been watching how Louis uses Google Reader. It's EXACTLY how I use Twitter (and we often find the same kind of stuff. Only I usually beat him in speed. But you can't see yet what I'm talking about because you don't have Twitter's lists feature.) See my favorites at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... -- a lot of what is there is what shows up in Google Reader too. But only Google Reader is slower, harder to deal with on the iPhone, and doesn't have a lot of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Amit: I used Louis Gray as an example because I like his Google Reader shares the most. They are very much like mine. Plus he's the guy who got me to come to FriendFeed so he usually is early in seeing things and it's fun to debate early early adopters. Just look at this thread!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was early adopter on GReader, then got bored.. once we get the low downs on a new software then it becomes boring and (a) we look for other stuff elsewhere ; (b) create community around the S/w component or just (C) just drop the product / software
- Peter Dawson
Unrelated question,sort of. Robert, why does your Twitter profile show friendfeed.com/scobleizer as your web page?
- Kenton
Seriously? No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us? We don't have that feature available, and, what's more, when we try to view someone else's lists, we get a 404 error. Hmm. Google Reader works for everyone. Maybe that's why people are still using it.
- Curtiss Grymala
I haven't explored much of the social interactions of GReader. If I comment on or like someone's shared feed, it's most likely through FriendFeed. I don't see myself using Twitter for what I use GReader.
- Arlan Koizumi
"No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us?" - LISTS are still in pvt beta mode only.
- Peter Dawson
Kenton: FriendFeed is still the best aggregator in the business. That's why.
- Robert Scoble
Curtiss: that's why I specifically called out Louis. He has access to the new list feature. So, it will be interesting to see if it changes his view of Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Arlan: I think you will, especially when you see lists. I have a list of just major news brands, for instance, and it's a better RSS reader than Google Reader is except if you want full text feeds.
- Robert Scoble
Of course many people want full text feeds. I get very irked at partial or headline-only RSS feeds, they usually get booted from my Reader subs. Twitter, with or without lists, has different purposes and different use cases than Google Reader.
- LogEx
LogEx: I used to be like that but then I freed my mind and got over the full text stuff. Mostly because Google Reader got to be VERY SLOW for me.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: people who unfollow just because they disagree just seem to be weak souls to me and I'd rather not hang around someone so weak. So, have a good one!
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader isn't a good social tool now, but it's the best tool for me for getting feeds from many sites, many of which are not represented on Twitter.
- LogEx
It's already done. You've stopped providing valuable previews of cool stuff and are now providing nothing but silly arguments about why x is better than y
- Joel Bennett
I didn't unfollow ya because I disagree with you (I *never* thought Google Reader was interesting), I unfollowed you because lately your signal:noise ratio is the wrong way up.
- Joel Bennett
Twitter Lists. I don't even have them yet, and I'm already tired of hearing about them :-p
- Joel Bennett
Well Robert, maybe I'm just following you in the wrong place.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: and over on http://www.building43.com I have a ton of videos where I show off new things and new ideas. Tomorrow Tapulous, who has the #1 iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Tapulous has my kids' favorite iPhone game
- Jesse Stay
Joel: I just went to your account and all I see is noise, no signal. So? Should I unfollow? No. Because personally noise is important.
- Robert Scoble
Heh, follow, don't follow - either way, makes no difference to me: I'm no social media "influencer," just a plain old dev. I follow people for news or because I know them, and I post to share or converse...
- Joel Bennett
I'll just put you on my noisy dorks list who threaten to unfollow because they are too lazy to look for the signal that obviously is there in the first place. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
It wasn't a threat, it was a done deal :-P Maybe it was lazy. Maybe it was just annoyance at the way this whole dead-not-dead crap is burying all the signal on FriendFeed lately.
- Joel Bennett
Robert. I just watched your kyte video. Good Q&A. I see how the lists can generate interesting metadata about people and sources, leading to a new "authority" race. To be fair how ever, I think that delicious has a lot of the similar metadata/tag information/count when it comes to sources. Do you mashable vs techcrunch comparison on delicious and you will see. So I guess you are right...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, this is fun watching and listening to you about the Twitter Lists but actually without being able to make a list, it's like a carrot... http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer
- Myrna
OK, so, I looked over your feed ... and I've realized that YOU don't actually cause the noise, per-se ... it's just that lately, the stuff that seems like noise to me are the ones that get bumped over and over with likes and comments from people defending FF against ya. Maybe I need to find a client that doesn't show the "bump" effect.
- Joel Bennett
Yup, he causes it alright, measured reaction ensues
- sofarsoShawn
Joel: that's called Twitter. OK, I'm outta here now! Running...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: maybe GReader is slow because you are attempting to feed too much into it? Funny, I have been a bloglines lover for a long time and finally 'got' GReader only to be told it's dead. Say it ain't so! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: I feed a LOT more into Twitter and it is a lot faster than Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
LOL. Robert, when I was personally impacted by divestiture in 1984, I observed that AT&T was dead. I also said, like a shot elephant it would run for miles and miles before it fell over. That's proven true. That dead elephant is still trying to escape. But it is a dead elephant. If GR is dead, it won't keel over any time soon.
- Ken Camp
Robert, you may feed more to Twitter and it's faster, but you're the metadata guy. GR and the GOOG have horsepower, momentum, computing and network resources that Twitter can't match for several years. They have the ability, like any real 800 pound gorilla, to overcome that.
- Ken Camp
Robert - All that said, I do agree that RSS readers like GR, are a phase that is on the way out. It's peaked.
- Ken Camp
I don't agree Robert. Google reader fills a need for some people when it comes to consuming content. This is not saying that Twitter isn't a good consumption too.
- Seth Goldstein
If you think Nevada is pronounced neh-vad-uh (where both a sounds are pronounced differently) what other English words have to a syllables that are pronounced differently?
Even pronounced as you would prefer, it's not the case that those are the same vowels. The final vowel is [ə].
- Christopher A Carr
How do you pronounce Nevada that both "a"s are pronounced the same? I've heard ne-vah-duh (vahd rhymes with God) and ne-vaa-duh (vaad rhymes with add), but in both cases, the a at the end is a schwa - Christopher's [ə].
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
It's Neh-vah-dah to me. I've lived in the SW, SE and midwest and have never heard Neh-vad-uh before. Besides, if Alabama were Al-a-ba-muh, the pronunciation of the common contraction Bama would sound retarded
- LANjackal
Would it be too much to ask that people use IPA? I suppose it would.
- Christopher A Carr
I pronounce it like the majority of the people from the state: [nəˈvæ də]
- Christopher A Carr
Jandy: "...I've heard ne-vah-duh (vahd rhymes with God)..." -- Not if your'e from Chicago or Lansing, MI. :-)
- Christopher A Carr
LAN - do "vah" and "dah" get the same emphasis/weight for you? Because that's the only way I can hear it Neh-vah-dah, which sounds really unnatural when I try to say it. I give "vah" more emphasis, which makes the last syllable end up as a schwa, just because it's shorter/less emphasized. Christopher - good point. I couldn't think of anything that rhymed with "ah", but I guess that's a fairly self-explanatory sound.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
No, the emphasis is on the "vah", so the dah is really shot, but it's stll an "ah", just a very short one
- LANjackal
from IM
WE WENT OUT FOR DINNER AND I HAD BEER
- Glen Campbell
LAN: That short "ah" really is [ə], not [Λ], because it's unstressed.
- Christopher A Carr
I'm not an expert in that field dude, nor will I pretend to be one. I've lived all over so my pronunciation's kinda screwy anyway
- LANjackal
from IM
++ Logex, that link has both pronunciations we're seeing here, Neh-Vadd-uh 3:1 Nev-vah-duh.
- Jimminy
Locals here will tar and feather you if you pronounce it any other way than Nev-VAAAA-duh. I got schooled quick when I moved to this area 5 years ago.
- Helen Sventitsky
IPA should be taught starting in middle school. The pronunciation variation is between [nəˈva də] and [nəˈvæ də], with the second pronunciation being much more common in the state of Nevada.
- Christopher A Carr
I wish I knew IPA, Christopher. Maybe I should put that on my list of things to learn. I tend to say "ne-vah-duh", but sometimes I say "ne-vaa-duh." It's just whichever one happens to come out.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Seriously though, I always pronounced it NEVADA (in French) nu uh-things for me...
- directeur
Jandy: Any universities in your area that offer a course in phonetics or phonology?
- Christopher A Carr
I live in Los Angeles, so I'm sure. :) Will have to wait to take an official course, though, until I actually have some discretionary money.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I've actually heard it more as ne-vah-dah, but that's because all the people I know who live there don't speak English as their first language, and the ə and æ sounds don't really exist in their primary language.
- Victor Ganata
pizza it is actually more of a pause. which when you are speaking Japanese many words have that same pause.
- Robert Higgins
I'm spelling it properly using logical phonetics...Using IPA (which sounds like a beer anyhow) is too much work...so either neh-vah-dah or neh-vad-uh are your two choices...KTHXBAI!
- Alex Scoble
Logical phonetics according to who? If you're going to be serious about this, you need to use IPA, Alex. :D
- Victor Ganata
Alex: The orthography is confusing you. There wasn't really anything especially "logical" about the post.
- Christopher A Carr
According to me...It's not like phonetics is all that difficult. Neh, as in eh...vah as in ah...and dah also as in ah
- Alex Scoble
from IM
".. neh-vah-dah or neh-vad-uh " <--- The vowel in the final syllable is the same in both cases, so that's a piss-poor way of representing it. I'm afraid you really don't know what you're talking about here.
- Christopher A Carr
I'm afraid sir that you don't know how to read...you don't pronounce uh the same way you same way you pronounce ah...Like duh, ah-so!
- Alex Scoble
from IM
IPA makes no sense to me as it's in it's own language. I speak English. I don't speak IPA. So I represent phonetics as someone from California would pronounce it. If you can't speak without an accent, well not my problem. ;)
- Alex Scoble
If you actually say [nɛ va da], with all syllables equally stressed, you would sound like a robot or an E. Asian to your fellow American speakers of English. I promise you you do not pronounce it that way.
- Christopher A Carr
You'll have to just wait in suspense for the recording to see how I pronounce it hehe
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm guessing you won't believe me when, after hearing the recording, I tell you that you are incorrect.
- Christopher A Carr
You have obviously argued with me before. ;)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Tell you what, I'll have http://friendfeed.com/ephzero listen to the recording as well. She also has a degree in linguistics, and knows phonetics better than I do (I'm more a lexical semantics and syntax guy, than a phonetician).
- Christopher A Carr
Hehe...Don't worry...I'll be fair...Now to be honest you have me questioning whether I say the first syllable as neh or nuh or something in between
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Will do...hehe...you are really looking forward to this
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Yeah, well if you want to get technical, 99% of Americans can't properly pronounce croissant, so it's pointless in using French linguistics to demonstrate how I pronounce it.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Sean: You don't understand the difference between description and prescription, evidently.
- Christopher A Carr
Did you guys see Inglorious Basterds? Me speaking most foreign words is like Brad Pitt speaking Italian
- Alex Scoble
from IM
People tend to argue with linguists where they would, in an analogous situation, never argue with a physicist. People speak a language, so they can't imagine that there's anything else to know about language. But that's like thinking oneself qualified as a colorectal surgeon because one experiences bowel movements.
- Christopher A Carr
To be fair, I didn't know you were a linguist until this conversation. :) And yeah, I would argue with a physicist, but that's just me.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
In my case, by "linguist," I only mean someone who has taken a shit-load of upper-division linguistics courses -- not a professional linguists, by any means.
- Christopher A Carr
Sorry. I'm now very much amused by the idea of someone operating on their own rectum.
- Victor Ganata
LOL Victor, you have a very warped mind
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Victor: I was hoping you would like that analogy. I probably should have kept it consistent and substituted "MD" for "physicist."
- Christopher A Carr
Ahh, I missed part of Christopher's comment, LOL. I don't think I'm an expert in linguistics, anymore than I'm an expert in most things, but I know SOMETHING about language and the way I speak and can express it to some degree, perhaps better than most. And I certainly know enough to argue about how to properly pronounce Nevada. :) I know enough to be dangerous.
- Alex Scoble
English has "rules" in its sound system -- its phonology. For instance, "flurg" is not an English word, but it could be in that it's phonologically legal. "tsrlargx" isn't an English word, and can't be, because of illegal consonant clusters. Being a proficient speaker of a language makes one a linguist no more than being a good driver makes one an automotive mechanic. Even if one is a...
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- Christopher A Carr
Heh, I would completely disagree (told you I'd argue with a physicist) that English has rules in it's sound system or phonology because it's adaptable. If an alien race landed on Earth tomorrow and had technology that was useful to us with alien names, we would adapt as much as possible their names, just as we adapt brand names in to the lexicon. And if there were really rules to the English language, comedians like George Carlin would have gone in to another field of study altogether. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Because if you pronounce it the way it's pronounced by, say, CNN people, you don't pronounce the initial consonant cluster like a Japanese person.
- Christopher A Carr
Umm, hehe...I have no idea how to describe the tsu sound because it's not just pronounced like sue-nah-mee...there's definitely like a ts sound there when I say it
- Alex Scoble
Dictionary.com says tsoo-nah-mee...and that's how I pronounce it. Mostly.
- Alex Scoble
And yes, I pronounce bruschetta as an Italian would broo-skeh-tah...It's a pet peeve of mine when people pronounce it broo-sheh-tah
- Alex Scoble
Are you sure you have that ts-cluster in your pronunciation? I do, but only because I've studied Japanese. You might if you're especially sensitive to foreign consonants. I rarely ever hear Americans make that initial consonant cluster. Likewise, my name completely violates Japanese phonology. Christopher becomes ku ri su to fu a ---- at any rate, the point is not that one can't learn...
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- Christopher A Carr
But there's no way for me to say croissant properly. I can't do the French cr sound hardly at all since it's not a cra and it's not a cwa it's something in between closer to cwa...if that makes any sense.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, I beg you, pick up an intro-to-Lingustics textbook and do some reading. I bet you anything you'll love it and you'll learn a lot. (My undergraduate degree is in linguistics but that was a long damn time ago.) "Linguistics is the most rigorous of the humanites, yet the most humanistic of the social sciences." That was the first sentence out of the mouth of the professor from my...
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- Stephen Mack
Now, try this experiment: Get a voice recorder app, and record your voice saying "Nevada." Almost any voice recorder app will show you the plot of the recording. With a few seconds of trial and error, you can isolate the individual phones (letter sounds). Most programs will let you cut and paste. Take that last "ah" sound and paste it before the first one, then play back. Like Christopher, I will guarantee you that you aren't saying those two sounds the same.
- Stephen Mack
Alex: RE: "cwa" - You're cognizant of the fact that it's a non-English consonant cluster, then, aren't you? That's all I meant by "rules." I think you misunderstood how I was using the term.
- Christopher A Carr
Heh, I might just do that, Stephen, so that I can be even more dangerous on the subject. :) I just find English so interesting because it isn't just composed of one base language. It is a very homogeneous collection of German, French, Latin and a few other things. It's a language that fits with cities like New York and San Francisco...the great melting pot.
- Alex Scoble
Yes, I think I see what you mean. Even though we may bring foreign words in to the language, we adapt the pronunciation to our rules because otherwise we wouldn't be able to pronounce them...just like we say kruh-sahnt instead of pronouncing it like the French do because most of us aren't able to pronounce it properly.
- Alex Scoble
Even still, do you pronounce Los Angeles as los ang-he-les, Mexico as me-hi-co, or Texas as te-has? It's not like those can't be pronounced by a primary English speaker.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: Almost anyone "can" pronounce almost every phone in the IPA -- with practice and coaching. Whether we do or not, or want or not, that's much different.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen: Should I go into the difference between phones, phonemes, and allophones? Yeah, probably not.
- Christopher A Carr
No, Victor...White Californians from the Bay Area do not say los ang-he-les unless they are singing a long to the song by Frank Black. I mostly say el-lay :) And I try to avoid talking about Texas as much as possible, but there's clearly an X in the middle of the word...so the Spaniards be trippin'. :)
- Alex Scoble
Heh, Stephen, no, I was just curious if Alex pronounced all words borrowed from another language as they sound in their original language.
- Victor Ganata
You might as well now, Christopher...you've started a clinic, don't stop while you got a good head of steam.
- Alex Scoble
And Victor, we've already figured out that I don't pronounce all foreign words (croissant being a great example) correctly.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: Not the one in South California: I wanna live in South Patagonia... :-)
- Christopher A Carr
Explaining the difference between a phone and phoneme would be good! I think I have a decent grasp of what allophones are.
- Victor Ganata
And I won't even make any AT&T jokes
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Victor: Give me a second, it's a hard thing to get a handle on, at first. Trying to figure out a good way to put it.
- Christopher A Carr
Heh! Elsewhere I promised Kamilah I'd teach her the IPA. Maybe it's time for a Linguistics room.
- Stephen Mack
Hold your hand close to your mouth and say the word "pit." Notice that puff of air that hits your hand? That's a /p/ with some air attached to it. Now, hold your hand to your mouth and say the word "spit." I think you'll notice that that /p/ didn't put a puff of air against your hand. So we have a puff-off-air-p, and a no-puff-of-air-p. Those are really two different phones. But in...
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- Christopher A Carr
That makes sense...which is another reason why it's so hard to go from say English to a lot of the Asian languages? Because they do variations of the phones that we don't do?
- Alex Scoble
Right, if it's hard for non-native speakers to learn to hear the difference. Plus... several Asian languages have tones, and that's a real challenge coming from a non-tonal language.
- Stephen Mack
Alex: They might have phonemic distinctions that you don't notice, and distinctions that you do notice, that are not for them phonemically meaningful.
- Christopher A Carr
Yeah, this is probably off topic a bit, but I've heard that in Japanese there are no accents in syllables, but clearly when they sing they accent syllables which confuses the hell out of me...Oh and they also do it when excited (Like when a policeman yells "NANDATO?!" he drags out the last syllable)...Seems like all languages have rules that are meant to be broken
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, phonemic tone is difficult for English speakers.
- Christopher A Carr
Well, there's a difference between accent and vowel length, yes?
- Victor Ganata
OK, so, I realize I'm butchering this, but, roughly, phones refer to the actual distinct sounds regardless of language, while phonemes refer only to distinct sounds that make a meaningful difference in a particular language?
- Victor Ganata
OK, hehe, I'll take your word for that one...I only know Japanese from what I've gleaned watching anime really and the occasional flick like Zatoichi: The Blind Swordsman.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: 'sa ke and sa ke are different words in Japanese.
- Christopher A Carr
Which one's the rice wine and which one's the salmon?
- Alex Scoble
Japanese also has "long" consonants, aka, "gemination."
- Christopher A Carr
Alex: As for "croissant," you're probably having a problem doing that northern French, voiceless uvular fricative ([χ]) "r" thing.
- Christopher A Carr
I'm cool with the big earthquake, I'm cool with California falling into the sea. The world/humanity can live on through that. The scary shit is if another Toba or Yellowstone mega-volcano blows and wipes out 40% of life in the first month. That is what freaks me out about a seismic upturn. We're past due for another mega volcano.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, that freaks me out, too. I saw like ten shows on the Discovery Channel about it.
- joey
I was thinking about Number Stations just the other day. I also remember encountering stations where they were just broadcasting either a slowly repeating beep or the sound of a clock ticking.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I also have some recordings of other odd AM broadcasts, such as the Rabbits Revolution. Also recordings of VLFs capturing the crackle of aurora borealis (which I went on to use in an experimental noise track in 2001 or 2002).
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ever seen 10.5? Man, Kim Delaney sucked in that.
- Shawn Farner
Matthew, are you seriously okay with California falling in the sea? I wouldn't even wish that on Ohio. ;)
- Cristo
It'd be more impressive if Ohio fell into the sea.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Cool with it in that it won't wipe out humanity, not cool with it in that I want to see all Californians die.
- Matthew DeVries
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
She's certainly cute. And that wikipedia entry makes the actress sound very intriguing. (I've never watched any of the CIS shows so she's new to me.)
- Spidra Webster
@Silence - that would be an affirmative... :)
- JA Castillo
My old coworkers used to compare me to her and said she reminded them of me. I never saw it, but I think they meant mostly because of her goth-like appearance and her intelligence and ability to do all the behind-the-scenes dirtywork. I never watch the show, but I hear she's got a thang for Mark Harmon, which grosses me out. So I remain in protest of the comparison. :P
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
It was cool the very very very very very first time, then it became douche-ish. Now it's cool to mock the douche-ish by BEING first, if that makes any sense. That's all I got.
- Josh Haley
I so hate when people do crap like this to their websites, forcing me to find, download, install, and run a script blocker just so I can cut/paste their shit.
- Matthew DeVries
You mean, copy their shit without their permission?
- Glen Campbell
Exactly, which I wouldn't have done if they just put a rights reserved/copyright line on the page, but since they need to go and write custom jerk script, well then that just forces me to poop on their lawn.
- Matthew DeVries
"If they'd just put up a CLOSED sign, officer, I wouldn't have touched it, but since they installed a lock, I had to break the windows…" Silly...
- Glen Campbell
Some of us use our right clicking to control/do a whole lot more than copy/paste. Many of those are covered under fair-use laws. Jerk script is them attacking me.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh please, the sites that have these scripts usually don't even have anything to steal. You can't open links in a new tab because of the script. It's worthless and I will not stay at a site that doesn't allow right clicking. If I wanted to steal someone's clip art I could do it without right clicking anyawy.
- Dragon Goldmaple
#1 if you have images on a website once I have viewed them in my browser I have a copy already on my machine and #2 If I want a copy of stuff on your site for my personal review later when your site has probably vanished from the internet I'm going to have one. I am perfectly capable of using my computer's print screen key or the excellent screen clipper that comes with Evernote. Your...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
FWIW, I was trying to right click to open a link in a new tab. I wasn't copying anything.
- Rochelle
I went in, held ALT, clicked and found I could save all that crap that way. What they need now is an ALT blocker.
- Shawn Farner
These things annoy me, but then I dismiss them and the right click menu comes up anyway. Suckers.
- Andy Bakun