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This tourism project with @SheilaS is going to be magical. Or it will kill us. Excited at the potential!
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I'd love to hear more about it, Becky and Sheila!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
You'll find it at http://www.tourismcurrents.com - We've developed a great curriculum to help tourism pros better promote their place through social media and other new tools. It's going to be amazing!
- Becky McCray
from email
Thanks, Becky—I'm working on some tourism projects, including arts and tourism. I'll check it out.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Cathryn, we might not teach YOU anything new about social media! Maybe a few ways of thinking about it for tourism. :) Tourism and arts were made for each other!
- Becky McCray
I did arts and tourism PR and marketing projects for a long time and raised money for them. Now, there are so many possibilities for integrating social media—I'm putting together a plan for a series of workshops in that area now, for a rural tourism market. Perhaps we should talk! Maybe we could work together on something. Or, we could certainly share experiences and resources. This sounds cool!:-)
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yes, we should talk! I would love to interview you as one of our guest experts.
- Becky McCray
Maybe we could interview each other!:-) I have a D/L on Sept. 8th, but maybe within a few days after that? If you want to do it before your launch, I'll see if I can squeeze it in somewhere. My contact info is on my Facebook, LinkedIn or web site pages. I'll look for yours, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Sitting in my hospital room with @aaronvest who would probably like the drugs I am on
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Is a Twitter retweet or a Facebook/FriendFeed "like" better. My answer my surprise you:
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The retweet is better. Why?
- Robert Scoble
1. The retweet shows up as a top level item here in FriendFeed. Which gets you more branding.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, but your tweet got me to FriendFeed for the first time in months. So now I'm totally confused.
- Jennifer Leggio
Facebooks like system is pointless.
- Simon Wicks
2. A retweet usually gets retweeted, a lot. I retweeted a guy this morning saying that Eric Schmidt had resigned from Apple's board. That got retweeted a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Likes, just "bump" content, while a retweet duplicates the content and potentially gets shared several times.
- Rob Diana
I like retweet better. But if facebook had a dislike button, I would be equally happy!
- Dakota O'Neill
like is only promoting to shared friends where are retweet is promoting to everyone. No?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
3. A retweet gets you credit, while "likes" just get you buried and no one is sure why they got lots of engagement.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is a joke. Like on friendfeed is pretty simple too. A retweet say a lot about your content but I think generating an actual discussion in friendfeed is the most powerful
- Johnny
The retweet also directly acknowledges the original author, building relationship. FF Likes on Twitter have no such attribution.
- Peter Kelley
Johnny: A retweet will get more conversation going and get you branded more than clicking like will.
- Robert Scoble
That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I agree. I was saying that generating a conversation (like this one) is more powerful than likes and retweets.
- Johnny
Retweet overall but both have benefits
- Travis Tasset
from iPhone
I think that you're right, Robert. The Twitter retweet is better because there's some action behind it. In my opinion, the Facebook "like" feature really doesn't do much. It's more of a placebo than anything. Facebook's like is just a "slap on the wrist" letting the author know that it's "approved" by other people who come to the site. There's no reward for getting the most "likes" - it's like Digg but more retarded and something you wish you could euthanize already.
- Kenneth
A like is just FB's way of trying to copy twitter and facebook, but I guess google reader has the same thing now
- Billy Fung
Also, here, likes can be used to search. You can tell FriendFeed's search engine "show me all items about Google that Scoble has liked."
- Robert Scoble
I think likes are great, but FriendFeed should also work on its presentation of reshares. I'd extend the datamodel to support an optional "originating item" for each item. The text (via: [url]) looks a bit messy.
- Meryn Stol
your #1 reason for why RT is better than something is because it ends up in friendfeed??? not much of an incentive for the ~44 million twitter users really, is it?
- Jeremy Toeman
With a retweet, it can be shared with multiple friends across MULTIPLE networks - my tweets can be posted onto Twitter, FriendFeed and even Facebook. Where does the Facebook "like" come into play? No where! Tweet away!
- Kenneth
Exactly my thoughts too Meryn. Twitter should implement that as well. The original source gets lost after a couple of RTs.
- Sumanth Kolar
Kenneth: you can send your likes on FF to Twitter, I do
- Peter Kelley
Too much noise on Facebook, I still keep RTs in high regard.
- Amy Chorew
Jeremy: a large percentage of my Facebook friends are sending their Tweets over there. Facebook has a similar liking system. I guarantee you that there's more than 44 million on Facebook (last number I heard was 250 million). And I'm getting WAY MORE engagement here on FriendFeed than I am on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter's reach is the key -- added to FriendFeed's real-time conversation, it's a powerful combo. Facebook is still too much of a walled garden.
- Don Tamihere
Peter: good point. I think I was dragging on Facebook's "like" and not FF. Now if you want to compare FriendFeed's likes with Facebook's...that's another can of worms I don't wanna go into.
- Kenneth
The database guy in me (my left elbow) is screaming that re-tweets duplicate data in a way that isn't easy to track. The social effects are nice, but can't this be replicated in a way that's a lot cleaner and more useful?
- Ryan Massie
but ya said friendfeed, not facebook. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: read the headline again. I specifically mentioned Facebook. And, anyway, we're all here on FriendFeed. How did THAT happen?
- Robert Scoble
well i came here because i wanted to see what you were up to and since you don't blog anymore... ;)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: heh, why blog when I can have engagement with you here?
- Robert Scoble
RT as it feels like more of a commitment to the content rather than a passive vote
- Daniel W. Rasmus
because you need to keep up your overall internet presence. doing it here is not in your best interests. IMHO that is. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
On a side note: currently Google Reader "likes" are worthless as you can´t even subscribe to someone else´s like-stream. It´s even hard to find a way to see your own like-stream in Google Reader (although there /are/ at least 4 ways...)
- peter huesken
Yeah, duh, likes aren't viral!
- James Watters
Re-Tweets have this very natural word-of-mouth feel, but I'm concerned that you loose metadata by doing it the way twitter does. Instead of taking the firehose data to re-assemble this metadata after the fact, shouldn't the platform build the metadata as part of the process? I'm not saying that the word-of-mouth feel should go away by any means, but how accurate are the re-tweet counts that I have been seeing on sites recently?
- Ryan Massie
James: They're more viral on FriendFeed due to the friend-of-a-friend views than they are on Facebook. But you're right, it's nothing like twitter.
- Ryan Massie
Also Re-Tweeting has another problem: How do you retweet a tweet of more than 133 chars without paraphrasing at least part of it?
- peter huesken
FriendFeed Likes are much more elegant than a retweet - the Grey Poupon of SM. :)
- Nick in Manila
Why does one have to be "better" than the other? They are two different apps for sharing thoughts about content. The RT works well on Twitter, you just RT anything you like (and feel other might find interesting). When you like someone's content on FB, you give it a vote and everyone who is a friend can see it. If you want to add a comment you comment. If you want to share it, you use the share function. Now you can share tweets RTs on Facebook anyway, I'm not sure why it even matters which is better.
- nicky jameson
A retweet takes more time to do and shows more interest.
- Randy Allen Bishop
This is wrong. A retweet is copying someone's work and trying to drive traffic towards yourself using it. A like and/or a comment is much better as you are acknowledging the work of the author. Retweeting is parasitic. Liking is symbiotic.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: that's interesting. As a content owner I'd rather you retweet, though. Why? Gets my ideas greater distribution.
- Robert Scoble
What Randy said. A "like" means different things to different people. To me it might mean, "the title of this sounds good, the topic interests me, but I don't have time to read it." I would "Like" something like that, but I would *never* retweet something without visiting the link first and at least scanning it, preferably reading the whole thing. Also, Alex, I don't think a retweet is an attempt to drive traffic towards yourself. How do you figure?
- Laura Norvig
Because when people see the retweet they are seeing what you wrote. It's the same as if I copied a blog post from Robert and put it on my blog with attribution to him. I'm doing this to get people to read my blog, I'm not doing it to help him. If I really wanted to help him, I would link to his blog post and write something about why I agree or disagree with that. A retweet is parasitic...
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- Alex Scoble
Alex: first of all, nothing you write in 140 characters is going to have much value, and certainly won't be enough value to charge for it. Second of all, if you RT: properly you also link to the source person or URL. Third of all, it's nothing even close to copying an entire blog post, but that really is sweet that you think Tweeting is blogging. They both have the same attributes, I...
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- Robert Scoble
RT's on Twitter are more manual and take a little more engagement then Like unless you are using SW to manage your tweets - RT duplicates...
- Robert Freeze
Alex, your logic is twisted, no? RT is intended to share with your followers something someone else said or found, who they might not already be following. If traffic is driving anywhere it's to them; those reading your RT are already following you. Your point also assumes everyone's playing the numbers game.
- Jim Barry
@Scobleizer It looks like you RT % is 1.85, of total tweets. Data from: http://tweetstats.com/graphs...
- David Damore
First off, I don't write in 140 characters, because I do all my posting from friendfeed. 140 character limit is whack, but that's another argument. Second, nothing about Twitter really builds participation. It's all about islands versus on friendfeed, which is why reposting (I hate the "tweet" non-word) is even necessary. The fact that it's necessary is a symptom of the problems of the...
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- Alex Scoble
They serve different purposes. FB/FF like is just a quick shared bookmark. Twitter has a Favorite option that's similar, but it's geared toward recall more so than sharing/recommending. Retweet is not even a built-in Twitter feature, but many Twitter apps have the feature and people use it to share/recommend other people's tweets.
- Lawrence Liu
from twhirl
Alex: if you visit my blog you'll notice that my like feed isn't showing up in the FriendFeed widget there, while my retweets are. That's a huge problem and one I don't know how to solve.
- Robert Scoble
How about the share option in FF, then change the FWD: to RT?
- Lee
I will like things here when I don't want to comment, but I hadn't thought of it as a proxy for RT. Now you have me thinking about forwarding my likes here twitter.
- dthree
You could combine the feeds using Yahoo Pipes. It's a bit messy, but here's my combined posts, comments, and likes: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes...
- Ryan Massie
Isn't this just like a Scobelizer chat room?
- Peter Mullen
I think I'm going to take the core of your question Robert and post it to my Facebook non-social media friends and see if they can even parse the question. I'd expect some funny "uh...what?" responses.
- Elliott Ng
the like SHOULD be much better. this is a voting system. FF needs to help you filter content this way however. retweets just confuse things even more and create even more noise. FF should have default searches that are all your friends with 2+ likes...this is your personal best of the day. if FF does not make use of these advantages, then it will continue to muddle about.
- lew
Here's why Robert and I disagree. He sees these spaces as primarily a marketing tool for building a brand and getting his media out to eyeballs. Reposts work great for that because it's like a ball thrown in to a room of mousetraps. I mostly want to have conversations and am here for fun. Reposts suck for that because they fragment conversations. I don't like that...AT all. :) That's why both services can coexist.
- Alex Scoble
++ Alex... services like this don't succeed because they are good marketing platforms, they succeed because regular people like to use them.
- LogEx
as soon as we have threaded conversations on twitter, i suspect you will hate conversation being distributed on duplicates (retweets). My vote is for likes on ff.
- Sajida H Khan
when i like something it gets tweeted... so it's like a retweet for friendfeed content... it doesn't come back over here as my own, but that's okay with me
- Chris Heath
The ReTweet is -sometimes- better as it keeps track of the last RTers.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Once again, FriendFeed and Twitter are complementary: it's better when a FF 'like' is ReTweeted again and again. Facebook's like.. huh.. it's.. different (?)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Retweeting on twitter is equlivent to "share" on friendfeed. Retweet and like are uncomparable, in the same way that twitter's favorite and ff's like are uncomparable.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
the spammers are here - how do we report the guy above?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Taken care of - boom! Like That!
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert, I think you're completely wrong. FriendFeed ranking is poo. A retweet is mostly poo --- depends on the context of your Twitter experience, and your POV. Is your POV "Is it better to BE retweeted? Or liked as a status update on FaceBook" ? or "Is it better to retweet someone ELSE'S Tweet or to Like someone else's FaceBook update?" I'd argue in both cases, the retweet sucks....
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- Gib
Gib: where do you get the poo from? Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: OMG! you're like the fasted gun in the west! By poo I mean, as a person without your scaling issues, if someone Retweets any random Tweet of mine, I'm like, "huh? THAT'S what you want to repeat to your following?" For mortals, viral stuff isn't everyday occurrence. On the other hand, as a mortal, on FaceBook, when a few people like a photo or update or comment, my other friends...
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- Gib
I agree with Andy that a Twitter retweet is more like a FF share than a like. "Retweet", in my opinion, is simply Twitter-speak for "share".
- Dennis Jernberg
On the moment itself an RT is better, but a 'like' has a longer life, since it can be used in FF search queries.
- nooble
RT was a community generated method, and can easily be done in friendfeed or facebook
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I think we can expect Google Reader and Facebook, among others, to emulate FriendFeed's useful "Like" system in more ways, including likes in feeds, as a search filter, etc. SOON.
- Ryan Sholin
+Alex. I agree much more with his sentiments than Robert's; likes are a much better way of showing appreciation for a post. 1. I don't care about building my brand. 2. Why wouldn't likes propagate just as well as RTs? They both show up in my FF stream. 3. See 1. Don't worry, Robert will come around eventually, just like he did with following people on Twitter.
- Niklas Morberg
I guess I'm against the grain on the RT versus Like feature. I don't hate RT but I think they can become Spam noise in some ways. If you follow several people who follow the same people, you get an endless flow of the same tweet for a while with no extra value. Whereas a "Like" (in FriendFeed) bumps the conversation back into many peoples focus. In both FF and FB, the "like" also tags it to your attention when future comments are made.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
If you use Feedly in Conjunction with Retweets and Tweets you can kind of follow your Karma and get feedback on how they are dynamic and changing
- Robert Higgins
RTs are better so I can continue to play with extracting valuable trends from them on my little experiment http://www.retweetradar.com!
- Ben Hedrington
We all know Twitter is the front-end & FriendFeed is the back-end ;) Hype builds quicker on Twitter, FriendFeed hosts the discussion.
- CannonGod
You can add ur own opinion on a RT if space permits. with ff its commenting and liking which are 2 different things. U can comment and not 'like' the post.
- Freddie Benjamin
Very good point Freddie but that usually gives you no room when you include the "RT @username" or the new person alters the original tweet (I hate this). RT is to Like as @ reply is to commenting. Both serve close to the same purpose but work very different. FF's direction keeps everything tighter coupled while Twitter is very loosely coupled in the approach.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
This one is worth a retweet in itself: That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done. - Robert Scoble
- Riaz Kanani
Facebook is closed, essentially, as I will always only ever see a "like" from either someone who is already my friend or a friend of a friend. Twitter is open, in that when someone I'm following retweets (from either someone they're following --- a 1st gen RT --- or a 2nd/3rd gen RT of someone they're following is also following or exposed to...whew!...) well, then I am exposed to a...
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- Thom Kennon
I’m Calling Out The Carpetbagging Mommybloggers - http://queenofspainblog.com/2009...
Mark Edwards, Web Design Thailand, Kate and 15 other people liked this
Excellent post, Erin. Must-read for all.
- Louis Gray
thanks Louis. I should have written it months ago
- Erin @queenofspain
I can't even keep track of the comments on this. I need to have you come on my show and discuss this Erin! Are you game?
- Jim Turner
Thanks for asking Jim. I *should* be able to in a bit...but it might be a bit.
- Erin @queenofspain
You're a lot more tolerant than I am. I block those women from commenting on my blog entirely.
- Anika
Here, here!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Right on! Well written. With a bit of edge and plenty of truth!
- Arlene
Brilliant. Even moms can suck too. It comes down to one thing- origin of intent. Either you start with wanting to help others or help yourself. If you get money from it doesn't matter. Real intent shines through any patina of accumulated money.
- Damien Basile
from Nambu
Nice reading enjoy!!
- Web Design Thailand
The Power of Change: $520 in coins saved in 1 year by placing pocket change in a jug daily.
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- Clay Spinuzzi
just got a very nice personal email from @GaryVee I look forward to his upcoming book, Crush It http://garyvaynerchuk.com/post... Coming in Oct!
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Reading people's thoughts on the replies issue. We're considering alternatives. Thanks for your feedback.
Peter Efland, Marko Saric, Guillaume Foutry and 165 other people liked this
We would be happy to provide feedback in advance next time.
- Louis Gray
IMHO you wouldn't stir such a tempest if you'd do a better job explaining things (or requesting feedback in advance—you could use Friendfeed for that and get lots of comments).
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Thank goodness you responded when you did - the frothy mob outside was about finished building the gallows!
- Brett Kelly
at the rate that #fixreplies tweets are coming down the pipe they'd be nuts to not re-think their decision and/or explanation
- Chris Heath
Nice to know you're listening!
- Michael Fidler
You should ask for people's thoughts first.
- Michael McKean
I reckon removing the feature was a good things. Has left holes though, that probably shoulda been filled first.
- Tim
Louis: sorry, until Twitter fixes how it treats early adopters I'm not giving Twitter free consulting. Only suckers would do that. We helped build Twitter and then it stabs us in the back. That's not making me willing to provide free consulting. Don't know why you'd do that.
- Robert Scoble
I volunteer to be your community manager for a month free. If I'm effective at communicating ahead of swarms like this, you can hire me and pay me retroactively. Because seriously? You really need someone to communicate with your users in real time.
- Karoli
I hope "considering alternatives" is a euphemism for "we'll have it back right stat, sorry!"
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
@scobleizer; "stabs us in the back" A bit over the top perhaps?
- Jordan Brock
Jordon: it absolutely is NOT over the top. When they recommend someone who has only been on Twitter a week or two as a recommended follower they are stabbing users who put a lot more time into the service directly in the back. I have about 1,000 days on Twitter and have put thousands of hours into the service. The way Twitter treats its users is deplorable.
- Robert Scoble
Jordan, Mr. Scoble has a propensity for the dramatic. :)
- Brett Kelly
Well since it was just a "small setting update" the simplest alternative should be to just undo the change, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
Brett: when you put thousands of hours into something and you get stabbed in the back by the owners of that thing you see how it feels.
- Robert Scoble
In the meantime, Twitter can get the celebrities to help out with its community problems. I'm not working for free and anyone who does for a company that stabs its users in the back is a sucker.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I can offer my services for free all day to Twitter. I know they won't take me up on it as they aren't interested in what I have to say and their track record proves that.
- Louis Gray
I'm really curious to know what kind of stats that were tracked to make this decision. Both @al3x and @dougw are hinting that there wasn't a significant number of people "using this feature", which I am extremely skeptical of. Would tracking the number of times I click out to a profile that I'm not following be enough? It is impossible for them to track whether I personally received value from a tweet even if I didn't click through, right?
- Lee Adkins
"The way Twitter treats its users is deplorable" What other instances justify this statement?
- Angus Burton
I doubt Evan cares about this thread since he only has 12 comments on FF.
- ld
@ev Don't you have more important things to focus on? ie., affiliate marketers who don't disclose what they're doing, follow bots, and all of the spam and manipulation that's ruining twitter?.
- Michael Fidler
Louis, I think @ev is listening to you and other Internet celebs, but not nobodies like me.
- Vinko
Vinko, I'm no Internet celebrity, and I don't believe I've been addressed by him ever, so he has an odd way of "listening".
- Louis Gray
It's an echo chamber.
- ld
It's an echo chamber
- dedlam
You can't go asking your customers about every checkbox and option. Knowing which is what makes a good decision maker.
- Ryan Stanley
Sure you can, when it's a feature change that enough users expect to have. It's not disabling a checkbox, it's disabling community discovery.
- Karoli
Karoli, here here!!
- Vinko
Twitter is clearly listening, and responding quickly and in public. Now, they need to roll back the change
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Twitter knows all the geeks moved to FF. I doubt Oprah considers it a feature change.
- Ryan Stanley
wow what a conversation.
- Dustin
+1 to dedlam :)
- Jordan Brock
Twitter will "consider alternatives" until #fixreplies starts trending back down, which will happen over the next 24 hrs or so. Then they'll look to see if there's any dip in the user number or sign-up rates. There won't be, as nobody's actually willing to leave Twitter over this and new users who've accepted the default setting don't know this option was there, so this will be the last word on the subject you'll see from ev.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that's true today and not true in the future. Twitter's continued decision to ignore user feedback and input and make arbitrary decisions will ultimately result in someone creating the next shiny thing. It happened with other services/sites and it will again.
- Karoli
Karoli: That'll happen either way.
- Ken Sheppardson
There must be a strategy around this, right? They wouldn't just arbitrarily do this. What would be the next feature they implement to make this redundant?
- Gregg Scott
Hmm. So, Ev is "Reading people's thoughts." wouldn't it be better if he talked and listened.
- Michael Markman
Michael: Thought reading must be something they're testing internally. Probably part of Twitter Pro.
- Ken Sheppardson
Could be the move that pushes more people over the FF wall. I've not considered this move until now, but now.....
- Debi Jones
@scobleizer, i thought the point of using twitter was because you want to not because you want fame and a pat on the back from evan for "helping". shame on you, that's the biggest douchery i've heard in quite some time.
- Snipergirl
Haven't you figured out that Scoble goes between "followers not important" and "look at my followers!" every 10 minutes?
- ld
Leather is an astute reader! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Snipergirl: that's BS. If you are in the media business the size of your audience allows you to build a business. Before the recommended follower list Mashable, GigaOm, and TechCrunch had smaller audiences than I did on Twitter. Now they have far bigger ones and people who don't do many tweets at all are rewarded while the rest of us suckers are left in the back of the bus. If I just...
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- Robert Scoble
The simple alternative is to make is a user preference. Even better would be groups, and then to apply said preference to groups.
- Barney Craggs
@scobleizer if it's a business to you then vote with your feet and go to a different service and stop whining about evan not paying you enough attention!
- Snipergirl
Snipergirl: that's exactly what I've done. But, sorry, I've put thousands of hours in and 904 days into Twitter. When a service treats someone who has put far less work into it better than me, I deserve to whine a little bit and anyone who says I don't isn't worth listening to. Let's put it this way. I see on LinkedIn that you are a hospital worker. What if you put in the time, do a...
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- Robert Scoble
Not entirely sure I agree with Robert, but I'll say this: it is incredibly frustrating when sites you use as intensely as Facebook and Twitter ignore the intelligent users. I won't say intelligent = early adopters, and I won't even say that it precludes the celebrities, but it is extremely tiring offering "feedback" when you're treated as just one voice. Clearly, CEO's are out of touch and don't understand us; yet, running a [sufficiently large] site by total democracy trends towards the stupid. #fixreplies
- tollie williams
Matt: I get what you're trying to say, but, here's another way to look at it. Twitter has signaled to the world that there's no way you'll ever been seen as a "top tier" person. Take me out of it. No matter how many hours you spend, no matter how popular you'll get, you won't be treated the same way as one of their personal friends and/or celebrities that they want to feature. To me that sucks. It is not a meritocracy. It's a closed society and that's everything I work against.
- Robert Scoble
The real problem is like this: Twitter was made for broadcasting and was never meant to be a convesational platform. Even friendfeed does the comments half baked. There are no comments for comments.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
The only feedback users contribute (that matters) is what they buy or use. If you don't like Twitter, leave.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Gattoo seriously, wouldn't this conversation be a LOT easier with threading and a respond feature?
- Jason Nunnelley
I don't know about meritocracies or closed societies, but i do know that the main way I find new people to follow on twitter is by seeing who the people I already follow are talking to...and if they say something of interest to me in a reply to them, I want to check that person out. If all I see are replies to people I already follow, I won't find anyone knew unless I pay much closer...
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- Shawna Benson
Gattoo: I disagree with that at least in part. The thing that always excited me about this media is that it's two way. You talk, I respond. But Twitter has biased its business toward the serving of celebrities who mostly use Twitter to broadcast and less to those who try to use it to have conversations with people. That's their right. It's my right to whine about it, though. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Shawna: yup. I think Twitter wants to push people like you to use search instead of the "@ replies" tab.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: that's a problem -- why would I search on something I don't even know to search for unless someone mentions it? Let's say person A tells person B something about daffodils and I find that interesting enough to go check out person B and start following them based on who they are, who they talk to, etc. Now, 'daffodils' aren't normally something I go randomly searching for info...
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- Shawna Benson
@scobleizer It's possible you give them far too much credit. I doubt they've any plan beyond limiting feed size.
- Jason Nunnelley
Shawna: I mean you can search for someone who uses your name. I do that on Seesmic Desktop and here on friendfeed and it regularly catches people who both use @scobleizer as well as people who just say "scoble" etc. Then I can go off and check them out, just the same as if I used the @mentions page.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: you're right. Twitter's team sure seems like they don't think things out and take the easy road most times. The recommended follower list is just one example of that. They could have done something really magical, but instead they did something half assed. They should have just hired Guy Kawasaki to do an AllTop page for it. That would have been better than what we got.
- Robert Scoble
"we've learned most people want to see when someone they follow replies to another person they follow [...] [h]owever, receiving one-sided fragments via replies sent to folks you don't follow in your timeline is undesirable" so despite what we apparently learned that people want we've decided to scrap it anyway. Interesting use of the word "learned" there.
- Mark H
The simple way of looking at it for me seems to be- when they say it's what most people are telling them to do, it's actually them telling most people what to do.
- Iain Baker
Scoble: You deserve a couple hundred thousand followers, for sure. I joined Twitter bc I read a post you wrote in '07. I hadn't looked at your follower count in a while; figured for sure you had at least been rotated in Suggest Users by now. That just makes me dislike the Suggested Users crap even more. ... The question here, I guess, is: did you do something so bad that Twitter/Ev/Jack/Biz can not forgive you?
- john erik metcalf
Scoble: Actually, even if you did, it would still be bullshit. What is this, Texas politics? Good ol' boy system. They need to figure out a better way, obviously things are getting very unequal.
- john erik metcalf
I don't know, Scoble, I'm going to take a different angle. Did Ev ever ask you to spend "thousands of hours" and 900+ days on Twitter? If so, then I'd say you've got a gripe. Otherwise, you did it voluntarily for your benefit, and frankly, Ev doesn't owe you anything; he provided a service for free, you used the hell out of it (profiting along the way, I don't doubt). It sounds like...
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- Bob M. Montgomery
I already miss what my followees are saying to other people. I've been using Tweetree for awhile now, because it would display the tweet to which my followee is replying (unless it was a protected tweet). With the new change, that aspect doesn't work, and Tweetree's entire platform is practically destroyed...
- Qrystal MqKenzie
If there's one good thing about this, it's that I can probably follow more people: I used to not follow someone if all they do is reply to people without giving context of what they're talking about. Maybe they'll make it so the visibility of @replies to people I'm not following is set on a per-user basis... which would be great, because some of my followees were SO GOOD at giving context, it's a major loss to no longer be able to see their @replies to people I don't follow!
- Qrystal MqKenzie
Qrystal: I feel the same way, except now it's a huge hassle for me to actually find all the people I should be following.
- Guan Yang
I don't know about anyone else, but this isn't a change for my account. I was never able to see "@reply" messages of people that I wasn't following to people that I was. Imagine if I was following @ev (I am). I was never able to see who @ev talks to directly (but publicly) in my twitter feed. Am I missing something? What exactly changed?
- Bryan Penczak
Bryan, this is about a setting being removed that was not the default setting. If you had changed the default setting to this setting you would see every tweet by the people you were following (the default was and still is to hide the @'s to people you're not following). The change is now there is no choice that setting has been removed and anyone who set that setting is now back to the default (which it seems you've always been on).
- Chris Heath
Oh interesting. Thanks for clarifying!
- Bryan Penczak
@scobleizer please clarify: are you saying that "stab in the back" = "not being on the recommended list"?
- Michael Markman
I'm still trying to figure out why Scoble is so upset. While it's noble for him to have helped pioneer the service and offer input on making it better, I don't see how that equates to Twitter somehow owing him any type of allegiance. Also, people seem to have forgotten that Twitter is an independent entity, responsible only to its investors (ultimately) and, as such, they are free to...
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- Brett Kelly
@Brett your suggestion that people go elsewhere to find a similar Twitter service is what makes the free market so interesting and exciting. While Twitter cannot be everything to everyone, every decision Twitter makes affects their future success. Look at what happened to MySpace and the rise of Facebook or Ford compared to Honda. If Twitter leaves enough room, someone else will come...
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- Damond Nollan
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Michael: no. He's said in the past that he would asked to be removed if he was placed on the list. Thought I can see Scoble's frustration, I agree with Brett on this one.
- Angus Burton
I haven't read this thread in its entirety, so I apologize in advance if I repeat anyone else's position. Two thoughts: 1) If the powers that be at Twitter were simply concerned with reducing the noise in our streams, why not simply change the default setting of the @ replies to not show all, while keeping the option available? Instead, they change the default behavior and remove the...
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- Phil Essing
I wonder if Ev has made it over to friendfeed to read this. I can see Robert's points. It would have been cool if more 'meritorious' tweeps were added to the recommendeds. But when the average non-techie person signs up to Twitter they probably find it more attractive to follow P-Diddy and Ellen than to follow someone they've never heard of, regardless of how much valuable content they've added to the service. That being said, Twitter needs to adjust they're listening ears.
- Jesse Newhart
Phil: that was the setting. It used to be an option to turn on all replies from friends, now there are not at reply options at all. If you had made the settings change, you're back to the default.
- Chris Heath
Jesse: I have to suggest that the average person would probably prefer to follow someone that actually shares their interests, and beliefs, likes and dislikes. Thus the whole recommended users list on any site is bullshit, and completely worthless. In the absence of a personally worthwhile recommendation, the average non-tech would probably prefer to follow typical pop stars (Brittney,...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Phil: The network I've built since 2007 was largely built exactly with the optional feature that they just removed. I don't mean to sound hysterical or overly dramatic, but the change eliminated something that was fundamental to how I used twitter. It is a free service, they can do as they see fit, it's just a less useful free service to me than it once was.
- motownmutt
All the discussion here on FF is neat... but should it be over here too/instead? http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter... (personally, I won't be asking for the 'replies' to come back but... to each their own)
- Jay Cuthrell
Why bother? Twitter mgmt is full of shit. Now the spin that it is a technical issue is just bullshit. There is nothing technical about the problem. Remember the "new" way still requires parsing.
- ld
Jay: I find that Getsatisfaction.com never lives up to its name. I can't think of an issue I've posted or looked into where the company in question posted something. I've found several companies who reirect all their support questions to there, apparently as a convenient black hole.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brett: Twitter being a free service and held by private investors do not make it immune to the desires of its user base which are the source of its (theoretical) future earnings potential. The less it chooses to work with its user base, and the more it makes decisions that alienate them, the more likely it it that they bail (as HUGE numbers already do withing 30,60,90days of account...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: There are 11 members of Twitter on GetSatisfaction and < 60,000 customers in the system. So, not perfect but it is a trending area and support does read things there. As a side note, that area has over 10,000 support topics... imagine the insanity of a phone support IVR menu that would take 12 hours to delineate all those "issues" :-)
- Jay Cuthrell
Jay: No one from twitter support supports a damn thing, unless you're oprah, or brittney or aplusk. Not on getsatisfaction and not anywhere.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jay: I have never seen anyone from any company answer any question about anything on getsatisfaction.com. This includes WAY more companies that I've looked into than twitter. I never expected anyone from twitter to answer, but I've sure as hell expected someone from ping.fm to answer when that's where their support link took me,
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Update from Twitter - "...we're making a change such that any updates beginning with @username (that are not explicitly created by clicking on the reply icon) will be seen by everyone following that account. This will bring back some serendipity and discovery and we can do this very soon" And they've started designing a new feature which will "give folks far more control over what they...
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- Sharon McPherson
Rob: I'm not trying to change your mind... just to give you an idea of the scope of what "support" would entail. Of the 11 Twitter employees on GetSatisfaction they have collectively produced 1045 responses as of the count today on their staff page.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I last looked their last response had been over three months prior to the date i was looking. I would welcome my mind being changed, but you're trying to change it on two subjects I don't have much faith in a) twitter support in general, and b) getsatisfaction's overall effectiveness. Links may change my mind.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris Heath: It seems I wrongly assumed that the @ replies were set to all by default, likely because I chose that setting a long time ago. Thanks. However, that truly begs the question as to why the folks at Twitter decided to remove the option.
- Phil Essing
motownmutt: Like I said, I do understand the frustration caused by this feature removal, a frustration which I share. That being said, I'm not going to lose any sleep as a result.
- Phil Essing
i'm going to say this fully knowing the fan boy charges i will open myself up to - u can see how concerned i am about that possibility (yawn) - from my perspective scoble has a valid point (Louis is also welcome to offer help to a service he values btw) - about this time last year a myriad of similar conversations were taking place here as twitter crashed MULTIPLE times a day - i cant...
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- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I am actually fine with the change because one can always go the persons page to find who he/she has replied to and it makes your page less cluttered. There is always some trade off but i am fine. I am waiting for more options from twitter in the future.
- ashish
Funny take on this - http://cli.gs/dumb
- Brian Kelley
I love the twitter product, but am growing more disgusted by the twitter management team. There is zero user input solicitation and this latest event #fixreplies is a classic mistake of product mgrs who fail to engage their customer base to get valuable feedback on the design prior to go live; instead, twitter mgmt is releasing features that are not vetting by their user base - huge...
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- Susan Beebe
waves at Evan Williams. Hey Ev!
- Thomas Hawk
Evan, perhaps with the next major functional change you might consider inviting ideas of your users; a good example of how this can work is presented by SalesForce.com: 'Idea Exchange' http://ideas.salesforce.com/ (no suprise SalesForce.com is good in gathering and using feedback from their customers; being a CRM company ;-) )
- Jeroen De Miranda
Scoble, you are a follow-blocker, and as such, you laid the groundwork for the devs putting in this nerf. There are quite a few thin-skinned A-listers who hate seeing back-talk in the @ tabs. this accommodated their wailing. It's wrong and should be put back. People who are vain enough to want to broadcast to followers have to accept that they will hear from the public, and often critically. Otherwise, go on a private AIM or FB chat.
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: bullshit. If you are a jerk you don't deserve to mess up my experience. You can keep commenting on your own place and I'll still see it anyway. Everyone I know searches on their last name. But I absolutely won't back down from your bullying and change my opinions. I will keep blocking people who are jerks and who are spammers. That's the only way we can keep our community from destroying itself over time. You are NOT entitled to get in my face, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
well, this whole conversation could never have happened on Twitter. I do appreciate the attention and awareness of the entire Friendfeed team, but for me the essential feature is the threaded comments.
- Peter Efland
Why do I love Twitter but can't really get into friendfeed at all. I just can't do it.
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give it a chance - admittedly it takes a little bit but it is an amazing community of people and an incredible information resource
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I think it's 'cause Twitter is quick, but with FriendFeed I find myself searching through a few pages for interesting things
- Rudolf Olah
I use Twitter for networking, lots of other voice over artists on there, and musicians I work with. Friendfeed is a conversation place, and Facebook is where family and friends I've moved away from are. Each have their unique purpose for me. You just have to find which you like best and which works for you.
- Candace
Yo ev just replied that Twitter is reconsidering the latest moves. Twitter search has been going NUTS over @fixreplies
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acknowledgement is cool; "considering alternatives" keeps my yellow light flashing.
- Michael Markman
exactly, re: my comment here: http://friendfeed.com/evhead...
- Chris Heath
Listen to the users, that's the ticket :)
- Neville Hobson
Michael, if someone does something in the afternoon and considers it the right thing to do, it's hard to admit a few hours later that it was the wrong thing to do.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I agree Michael. I would feel a lot better if he had said, "sorry, we made a bonehead move and will now restore the option to choose"
- Sharon McPherson
Really shouldn't be a prob if it's switchable & new accts are created with hiding of non-follower @replies turned on by default.
- Sameer
I'm going to check with monitter. This should be interesting!
- Michael Fidler
I like that you said "Yo" at the beginning to show folks the tweet.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I've actually been doing that for quite some time, it's just that now it really is useful.
- Robert Scoble
Yo
- Jesse Stay
I'm a little surprised there haven't been more complaints registered over at http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter. It seems that the Twitter guys are getting the #fixreplies message loud and clear, regardless!
- Matt Hooper
Louis: Then people who don't want to see stranger replies will be forced to. Not a very good solution.
- Guan Yang
I hope @ev and @biz realize they're being smacked with a clue-by-four.
- Ken Camp
wow, amazingly bad move on twitter's end. wow. instead of sitting down and coming up with a solution, they instead just choose to get rid of a headache. now they have a bigger headache. not learning from facebook, i see.
- sull
Didn't friendfeed essentially do the same when they removed "friend of a friend" from lists?
- Matsis
I doubt the @ replies change will last the week.
- Leslie Carbone
This morning there was a post by @biz that the engineering team reminded him this was going to have to go anyhow. This change may stick. THe said he would like to support the discovery of new potential follows somehow.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
RT: @sheilas Holy smokes, does the Web 2.0 Summit really cost $4195? Heck, hire a Web 2.0 guru for $200/hour & get 20 hours 1-on-1.
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A different breed: what to expect from bloggers&|&Every Dot Connects - http://everydotconnects.com/2009...
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Sheila Scarborough discusses what to expect from a travel blogger and how to get prepared to have a travel blogger visit your location. Lots of practical info on a fast-growing development in the travel and tourism industry. This will be a classic and much linked post.
- David McRee
Thanks very much for the Stumble and kind words, David. When you're 48 like me, you get a little paranoid about the word "classic," but in this case, I'll take it! :)
- Sheila Scarborough
I'm 48 too. Just proving we've still got what it takes! When you're good, you're good.
- David McRee
Scoble At SXSW - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I love how Paul Mooney sticks his face in here at the end. Hah!
- Robert Scoble
What are the tech bloggers missing? Your business! - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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i am redoing, doing, changing and playing with new themes and content...it a good idea to have it plain while you are under-construction so to speak...
- Karin Hiebert
Sounds like an opportunity for you Robert. But if I owned a local restaurant and wanted to learn how social media would help me, I would rather learn how successful restaurateurs have utilized the tools (e.g. "How I migrated from Penny Saver to Twitter and got more customers") than read about technophile obsessions ("The Anatomy of the Twitter Worm"). Perhaps there is a need that can be...
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- Ryan Miller
Perhaps we need more niche blogs that cater to specific industries, rather than "social media experts" trying shoehorn everything into a certain template. What works for Zappos may not work for the restaurant on the corner. A good example is the http://churchcrunch.com/ blog that covers web technologies as it relates to ministry.
- Daniel Sims
Maybe the reason why they can't explain the relevance to business is because it just isn't that relevant?
- Brian Sullivan
I would totally agree with this. It's not just regular businesses either, record labels seem like they probably stand the most to gain from, if not mastering, at least beginning to understand social networks.
- Michael Turner
So this was the reason why you made your blog so plain!! :D (http://scobleizer.com/2009...)
- Jérôme Flipo
During my visit to South Africa 4 years ago, I was amazed at how SMS was integrated with people's daily lives. SMS numbers were everywhere: billboards, signs, newspapers, banks, restaurants, TV; you name it and it had a SMS number for every conceivable service/transaction/competition you can imagine. I had a similar experience in India a few years after that. It seems that small businesses should do the same with Twitter/Friendfeed/Digg usernames; display it prominently everywhere. Invite your customers.
- BuzzNova
What kind of content do you want to see on such blogs? Success stories? What about Jeremiah Owyang showcasing social media at Best Buy? Is that any good? Or do you want small business case studies specifically?
- Meryn Stol
IMO one of the problems with tech bloggers is that they take so many things for granted (Arrington might be an exception) and allow companies to feed them with irrelevant stuff instead of the real info their readers should know about. For example, here's a small post I've written down during FF new beta release http://bit.ly/4VkT, trying to figure out how on earth non of the attendees have asked about FriendFeed's business model, which is vital for the company's existence.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: if you watched the entire friendfeed press conference you would have seen that they were asked about business models. I think that question is in part V at http://scobleizer.blip.tv
- Robert Scoble
A clue?
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
And without having to wade through all the crap what was the answer to the business model question?
- Brian Sullivan
Robert: you're right. I've probably watched some edited videos without this issue. Next time I'll remember to wait for your video posts ;). Having said that, the word "monetization" came up just once, without a real effort to pursue and get tangible answers. "Right now our entire focus is increasing engagement and make FriendFeed useful to as many people as possible"...that's not something you can settle with.
- Nir Ben Yona
Brian, I too originally wondered how relevant this was to some businesses. Long story short, big businesses won't really have to worry too much about social media (at least not more than just damage control, i.e. what Comcast, etc. do now on Twitter). Big businesses really only focus on reminder advertising anyway, as they've cemented themselves in their industries as major players.
- Tyler Hayes
Relevancy only has to do with timing. It's the small businesses that will need to begin to understand social media. You may think that it's not relevant now, but it will be relevant to them in 10-20 years. Which means that if they get involved now then they'll be the first key players in a booming industry. Now you tell me, what small business owner is going to turn down the opportunity to see in 20/20 hindsight, only it's before the fact? As long as it's explained properly, that is ;)
- Tyler Hayes
Surprised no one has mentioned Jeremiah Owyang yet
- Jesse Stay
That's why I was thinking Google should have: "Google Garage", which are evenings where the company invites small businesses for a seminar, teaching them about new advertising methods and about other alternatives they have instead of traditional places like radio, papers or TV. After all, they shouldn't expect every plumber, mechanic or a tailor to know about Adwords or so. They can easily arrange these meetings, give them trial vouchers to experience internet models and drag them into the "New World".
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert: You make some great points - those sites that focus on 'social media' tend to forget the sales and marketing element - which is what businesses are REALLY interested in (especially today!) Seems many in social media 'don't get' marketing and many in marketing don't get social media.
- Jim Connolly
Starting a company in Silicon Valley is Stupid | Penelope Trunk's Brazen Careerist - http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009...
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There is no way at all I'd be able to start SocialToo with a family of 4 kids and a wife in Silicon Valley. Her tips are right-on!
- Jesse Stay
I do note that the past two companies I am working for are headquartered outside California. Maybe there is something to this.
- Robert Scoble
I couldn't agree more with all of the points she makes. All of our expenses in Atlanta would not even cover rent in a larger startup market. I will say that I'm not sure if it makes it stupid to launch in the valley, if you can afford it. It can be a very big advantage, but you do have to network and get out of your city, as being "world famous in Atlanta (or other place)" would only ever get anyone so far...
- Scott Lockhart
Robert, where is Rackspace located? Is it in Texas? Texas is a great place to start a business - I keep considering going back.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse yes it is in Texas atleast thats what they told me when I worked with them at my last job. My favorite vendor in a long time :)
- Jay Martinez
Rackspace is in an abandoned shopping mall in San Antonio. http://blogs.zdnet.com/green...
- Andrew Leyden
We're located in New York and Tennessee: I think the point about VC is important; most companies will never need it or go after it. Our product is self-financed and we keep our company small. I think outside the Valley it's a different mentality to running a business: there's no room for building companies around crazy ideas that don't pan out for years.
- Mark Trapp
Well, now that home prices are down by an average of 41% in the Valley, it's not quite as bad as it once was. Still overpriced, but...
- Kevin Pedraja
What's interesting about Rackspace's move is some of the reasons behind it--lower cost electricity, closer proximity to major East/West and North/South bandwidth pipes and lower cost housing for staff. In a way, the Internet 'which is everywhere' is now to a point that to develop efficiencies you need to be in a a spot with some favorable non-technical attributes. These new spots may become the 'ports cities' of the next few years where other business will locate because of the proximity to the onramp.
- Andrew Leyden
Andrew: San Antonio also has lots of geeks. Wifi and the 8088 chip were developed there.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't San Antonio the home of Texas Instruments? Edit: nope, Dallas.
- Mark Trapp
I am having flashbacks to that old IBM commercial where 2 guys are walking in the middle of nowhere adn one says "There is internet here" Great article. Another hard part about being based in the valley is recruiting people from outside the area to move, the cost of living freaks a lot of people out
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
She's one of those people you shouldn't take advice from- like the Fake Steve Jobs- because her business ideas are her personality, not a "real" business in the sense that it makes widgets or even software. So taking that into account, and also the fact that her lifestyle is kind of insane (am a loyal reader of hers) - she has a million service-oriented jobs that she hires in, it's too numerous to state here- I disagree with her.
- anna sauce
For one, living in a very rich environment - money, skills, connections- is key to many businesses. It's like the old silk road. You don't start a rug trading business *off* the road. Also, because she doesn't make a specific product (that isn't herself) she doesn't understand that rehiring, or being super connected with like minded folks, is important to small businesses.
- anna sauce
I argue this point with my brother, former VC and serial entrepreneur, quite a bit. He argues that it's more secretive and protected being off the radar, and he can fly into the Bay Area. But he benefits from my "connectedness" all the time when he needs to hire people, hear about the next new thing, etc.
- anna sauce
Look at all the different meetups on a such wide variety of subjects in silicon valley. You won't find that level passion in other places.
- Todd Hoff
There are good reasons to be connected to Bay Area but it's still not needed to have any kind of physical presence there if the product don't depend of it. Still, I understand that it's quite nice environment for getting to know people.
- Daniel Schildt
Scott, regarding your point way up there about startup costs, it begs me to think (and no diss on your business idea) that the cost issues vet the idea immediately, whereas setting up somewhere else could keep something alive for years, despite no demand and/or profit.
- anna sauce
@anna, Not all startups are big earners from day one. For most, building a client base takes time & keeping costs low helps sustain the business. I favour this approach over the Funding, scale-then-revenue approach seen too often in the Valley.
- Steven Cains
What most people I think are missing is that she is mostly talking about traditional businesses, you know the kind that actually make a profit ;) If your vision/ambition requires such scale that you need VC money, then there is no better place in the world to be than the Valley. If you don't need it, then you are paying a premium on EVERYTHING to be there. Not to say that paying that premium isn't worth it sometimes, great access to talent, ideas, the energy, etc. but you are paying a premium.
- Tom Mancino
@Cains I think people go to brick and mortar way too fast, and build up employees way too fast. That's what I mean by vetting the idea. Also, even with private-funded enterprises there's a feeling that the market's there, and having to support costs, shows clearly whether the market is there or not. I tend to be conservative on this front, granted, but I've also grew up and lived here- worked at numerous startups, etc.
- anna sauce
I agree Anna, businesses take on needless costs too readily, and in most cases, being in the Valley is a needless expense. Ultimately, profitability is the benchmark of business success.
- Steven Cains
@Cains well I wouldn't locate to the valley to start a business, as I wouldn't move away to start one either.
- anna sauce
nope best way do doing it fast which is waht you need in start up mode is a small colocated team and you need acess to the vc's
- Maurice Walshe
Jason have you ever worked completely remotely or managed remote workers? It is not as easy as it seems and many people can't adapt to either side. Even technologist have a hard time adjusting from my experience.
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
We run our company remotely. It's not as hard as it seems on paper. Most issues are resolved in a couple of months.
- Mark Trapp
@nerdseyeview @toddlucier @sheilas I really enjoyed podcast about travel bogging! http://www.tourismkeys.ca/blog...
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San Francisco, FTW!
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for sharing this, Robert - I had some nice new readers drop by the Family Travel Logue as a result. I do love San Francisco, but think Chicago can give it a run for the money.
- Sheila Scarborough
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