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thanks y'all. I'm just... I dunno, kinda shocked really. I knew something was wrong, but didn't want to believe it was that bad. dang. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
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oh wow, you gais! you are so sweet. thanks for all your comments. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I'm sorry, t-ra. Entirely their loss. - Brent Schaus from FFHound!
I hope this is a only a temporary setback for you. - Mark H
😢 - Steven Perez from Android
crap-o-potamus. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Oof. Bummer. Hope things turn around fast. - RepoRat
Sorry, t. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
So. very. Sorry! :( - CarlC
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Crap. - Meg VMeg from Android
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w00t! It's Friday! :) - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Good morning. - John (bird whisperer)
Good morning, John. :) - Steven Perez
Barry! :) - Steven Perez
Looks like you have a nose for the weekend. I bet it's all wriggly too. - (Curtis) Alan Jackson
Hey, Val. ☺😊☺ - Steven Perez from Android
Good afternoon, Curtis. Yes and yes. ☺ - Steven Perez from Android
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Why the People of Ferguson Can't Trust the Cops -
Why the People of Ferguson Can't Trust the Cops
"A young man named Christopher Lane told me police had beaten him up three times since he moved to Ferguson in 2007. The beatings happened well before a local officer fatally shot an unarmed teenager on August 9 and sparked the protests that now occur daily in Ferguson. "These cops are real prejudiced," Lane said, later adding, "Ferguson is an old slave town, if you know your history." Lane asked if I had noticed that many of the side streets in Ferguson do not have sidewalks. I had. He told me that police regularly harass and even cite young black folks for failing to walk on the sidewalk, even when there is none to be found. Lane's friends said they once became burglary suspects for simply visiting a friend's house. One young man said the Ferguson police regularly stop and harass him about crimes he doesn't know anything about, hoping that he might "snitch." "It's like, I don’t know who's stealing cars, man," he said." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
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Good afternoon, FriendFeed. -
Good afternoon, FriendFeed.
Work work work. - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Good afternoon. - John (bird whisperer)
Good afternoon, John. ☺ - Steven Perez from Android
Good afternoon, Bunneh! - Tamara J. B.
Good afternoon, pretty Tam Tam. ☺ - Steven Perez from Android
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The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown | Olivia A. Cole -
The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown | Olivia A. Cole
"If you’re paying attention to the events unfolding in Ferguson—and by God, you better be—then you probably already know there is a group of people in this country of ours who are determined to change the focus of the conversation about the murder of Mike Brown and the subsequent protests, attempting to shift the lens away from the Constitutional rights of US citizens and the murder of a black teenager. If you’re reading this, you probably already know the folks I’m talking about. But here they are. #Staywoke." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven -- this is one of the weakest articles published on the Ferguson situation I've seen to date. - Sean McBride
Check this out: "The “Wait for Evidence” Troll: This troll may or may not be anonymous and pretends to be focused on respecting and upholding the law. “We don’t know what happened yet,” they say, “wait for evidence before you lambast an officer of the law.”" So Olivia Cole is arguing, *don't* wait for the evidence -- she already knows for a certainty what happened in the violent confrontation between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson. - Sean McBride
Have you noticed how many American political and opinion leaders haven't expressed opinions about the Michael Brown shooting yet? -- they are waiting for all the facts to be collected and presented. That's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do -- that's how our legal and justice system works. - Sean McBride
Barack Obama earned a degree from Harvard Law School -- he understands the legal system. Most of us respect Barack Obama. Dorian Johnson -- maybe not so much. I want to see how *all* the eyewitness testimonies line up, in combination with the forensic evidence, once the investigation is completed -- then I will have a basis on which to form a strong opinion. It may well turn out that... more... - Sean McBride
Which leading Democrats have spoken out or expressed strong opinions about current events in Ferguson? Hillary Clinton? Joe Biden? Nancy Pelosi? Elizabeth Warren? - Sean McBride
I'll be honest, Sean. I posted this for two reasons: 1) I've noticed these patterns in online behavior every time one of these types of cases crops up, so, no, this article is all too accurate, and 2) I had a feeling you would not be able to resist responding to it; in fact, the only question was how long you would continue doing so if I gave no response at all (and given that I've been busy at work all day, that part was easy). - Steven Perez
"They pretend that things like racism, police brutality, police corruption, etc. don’t exist and insist that if concrete evidence is released, they will be swayed to feel “sympathy” for Mike Brown. But they won’t. When evidence arises, they find objection to its relevance or veracity. They then transform into The “Mike Brown Shouldn’t Have [insert human action here]” Troll, to follow." -- yuuuuuuuuuuup. - Andrew C (✔)
"The “Violence Just Begets More Violence” Troll - These people are the riot-shamers. They roll out the word “looters!” at every chance and are not interested in the fact that only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted, or that Ferguson protestors actually locked arms to prevent said looting. " - Andrew C (✔)
Steven -- why do you think that the Democratic leadership has remained silent about Michael Brown, Dorian Johnson and Darren Wilson? My best guess: they are waiting for the investigation to be completed -- which Olivia Cole would interpret as "trolling" -- because apparently she doesn't understand how the American justice system works. Once they know the truth of what happened, they will no doubt strongly express their opinions -- as will I. - Sean McBride
"only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted" -- then you should take up your complaints with the mainstream media regarding the prominent coverage given to the role of looting, vandalism and violence in Ferguson: 1. [Google; ferguson looting] 2. [Google; ferguson vandalism] 3. [Google; ferguson violence] - Sean McBride
More honesty, Sean: I. DON'T. CARE. The one question which has never occurred to me in almost two weeks is "I wonder what [random Democratic politician] think about this situation." - Steven Perez
Steven -- if you care about practical politics, and achieving political objectives, you really do need to take account of how elite and mass opinion are trending on issues like Ferguson. Quite a few political leaders on the left are wondering if Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson might be a weak reed on which to build momentum for the important issues which have arisen in the Ferguson situation. They don't want to get burned -- they are being cautious in waiting for all the facts to come out. - Sean McBride
That train is never late. - Victor Ganata
We gonna get a BINGO soon? - Andrew C (✔)
The grand jury will decide that (BINGO): to prosecute or not to prosecute. We are all waiting for the completion of that process with intense curiosity. - Sean McBride
Victor -- I recall the discussion we had here about the Henry Louis Gates/James Crowley story. Back then, I took the position I am taking now: wait until all the facts emerge before rushing to judgment. The climax of that last situation? -- Barack Obama invited Crowley to share a beer with him and Gates at the White House. - Sean McBride
This situation is much more serious: that is why we need to be especially careful in figuring out who has been lying and who has been telling the truth about that violent confrontation at the cop car. - Sean McBride
I've had several BINGOS in the last week, Andrew. - Steven Perez
I remember when many Americans had many BINGOS regarding their decision to support the American war against Iraq on the basis of incomplete and misleading information. That turned out well. - Sean McBride
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My fitbit #Fitstats for 8/20/2014: 2,093 steps and 1 miles traveled.
My fitbit #Fitstats for 8/20/2014: 2,093 steps and 1 miles traveled.
Hey, Val. Been busy today. I'll post a bunneh in a bit. - Steven Perez
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Good morning, FriendFeed. -
Good morning, FriendFeed.
I need a hair cut. - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Good morning. - John (bird whisperer)
Good morning, John. :) - Steven Perez
just a little around the ears Mr. B - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
Hey, Val. :) - Steven Perez from Android
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I need three weeks of sleep. No rest for the wicked, though. - Steven Perez
Me too! - Tamara J. B. from FFHound(roid)!
Haven't been sleeping well all week. Practically sleepwalked through the day. - Steven Perez
How's the little one doing, Tam Tam? - Steven Perez
She's doing better. Thanks for asking, Bunneh. - Tamara J. B. from FFHound(roid)!
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strawberries and nutella. all your arguments are torn asunder. #badfoodphotography #omnomnom
strawberries and nutella. all your arguments are torn asunder. #badfoodphotography #omnomnom
Who needs sleep when you have the food of the gods? :) - Steven Perez
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GET. IT. ON. - Steven Perez
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"BUTBUTBUT those protesters in Ferguson are not from the community!" Yeah, I heard that about another guy from the 60s. He was called an "agitator" and a "troublemaker". He even got arrested once or twice. His name was Martin Luther King, Jr.
So, when I hear people complaining about "outside agitators", I can only assume that those protesters are following a fine, rich tradition of American Civil disobedience. - Steven Perez from Android
It does make a difference who exactly says it, though. And it makes a difference if whoever is saying it distinguishes between protestors vs. thieves and vandals. Because I would not be surprised if a lot of the thieves and vandals were indeed "outside agitators". - Victor Ganata
That's kinda the point with King. Today, he's seen as a great man by most. Back then, though, to most suburban Northern whites, he was some jerk preacher who was busy making trouble in their neighborhood, when he should get back on his bus and go back to church. After all, in the Midwest, "troublemaker" was just another euphemism for the N-Word. - Steven Perez from Android
Sure, while MLK did advocate very radical action (which most people don't quote anymore) that the powers-that-be at the time condemned as criminal, I don't think he ever advocated looting stores or burning down buildings. - Victor Ganata
I just had this conversation with Sean; one thing has nothing to do with the other, in spite of what CNN says. Otherwise, we'll have to start locking up sports fans during championship victory celebrations. - Steven Perez from Android
Well, exactly, the protesters are not one and the same as the thieves and vandals. Not all of the people getting labeled as "outside agitators" are the former. Some of them like the white anarchists coming into town are very much the latter. - Victor Ganata
Ferguson: outsiders spread unrest and unease in pursuit of eclectic aims - The Guardian - Some of these people are not particularly interested in justice for Michael Brown or stopping the cops from committing violent acts against the people of Ferguson. Although there are definitely many who are. - Victor Ganata
"Protesters told CNN that a few white anarchists from out of town were the ones throwing objects at the police. The men were pushed out of the crowd and there was applause when they were arrested." - NY Mag - Victor Ganata
😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 - Steven Perez from Android
Victor Ganata
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." — Dwight D. Eisenhower — who knew that this would eventually apply not just to national defense but to city budgets?
Every AR-15 that is bought, every MRAP deployed, every tear gas canister fired is ultimately theft from the community the police are supposed to protect. - Victor Ganata
Don't forget the sound cannons. - Steven Perez from Android
Victor Ganata
RT @mightygodking: Excuse me, but I was promised a corporate cyberpunk dystopia and not this rerun-of-1960s-Bull-Connor-America dystopia
Also, where's my jet pack? - Steven Perez from Android
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Things To Stop Being Distracted By When A Black Person Gets Murdered By Police | -
Things To Stop Being Distracted By When A Black Person Gets Murdered By Police |
"I wish I didn’t have to tell some of you that victim-blaming when a Black person is murdered by police is a huge no. That it doesn’t matter if they were on the honor roll, or smoked weed sometimes, or were going to college, or what brand of hoodie they wore, or even if they spent time in jail at some point. That the right to walk down the street without being a target for murder by the police isn’t a right one should have to prove themselves worthy of. That we should all just have that right by virtue of being human beings." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"When you’re Black, you don’t always get the benefit of being seen as a human being, though. Black people are seen as ‘up to no good’ by default. The truth is that our lives, like anyone else’s, are filled with good choices as well as mistakes, achievements we’re proud of as well as missed opportunities. Successes. Failures. Just like everyone else. But what’s also true is that we, as... more... - Steven Perez
"If we were to talk about a victim’s past, we would have to talk about it in a context of oppression. But, you know what? We don’t need to talk about it at all. Because it is irrelevant to issue of their victimization. Just like bringing up a victim’s past to justify her rape is wrong, bringing up a victim’s past to justify his murder by police is also wrong. Yes, even when those people are Black." - Steven Perez
"The victim’s past isn’t the issue. The issue is yet another unarmed Black teenager murdered by police. His name was Mike Brown." - Steven Perez
Steven -- the focus in this case should be on collecting and analyzing all the available physical evidence and ascertaining the truth of what really happened. That is my opinion, at any rate. Feel free to disagree. - Sean McBride
Sean: I agree. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven -- I also understand why there is a great deal of emotion about this incident -- there has been a long-standing pattern of unacceptable police brutality against minorities (especially blacks) in American society. But at the end of the day, this particular case will be resolved on the basis of the best evidence. And one still can't rule out the possibility that Michael Brown was in the act of surrendering when Darren Wilson shot him -- a deed which would probably (and justly) send Wilson to prison. - Sean McBride
Given how previous cases similar to this one have played out in the courts (Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin, etc), I am not as optimistic as you in the fairness of the legal system, Sean. - Steven Perez
Actually, ask Sean what he thought about how the Trayvon Martin case went. - Andrew C (✔)
Sean, someone (who I'm guessing you've blocked or has blocked you) wants to know what you think about how the Trayvon Martin case went. - Stephen Mack
I didn't pay much attention to the Trayvon Martin case -- it became a media circus of the type I usually filter out. But when the story came out about George Zimmerman pointing a shotgun at his pregnant girlfriend, I became convinced that justice was probably not done in that case -- Zimmerman should have been convicted. - Sean McBride
The Michael Brown case strikes me as being much more important than the Trayvon Martin case in terms of its political and cultural impacts. And in this instance there will be much more physical evidence and eyewitness testimony available to determine what really happened. I am hoping that the full truth comes out, no matter what the truth is -- and it will be difficult to spin the facts. Bottom line: seek justice. - Sean McBride
There are many white racist cops out there -- we all know that. The question is, is Darren Wilson one of them and did white racism motivate his shooting of Michael Brown. My mind is wide open to accepting that this is true if anyone can persuasively make the case. In the meantime, I have no opinions one way or the other. The most important factual point to resolve now is whether Brown was surrendering to Wilson or running at him. - Sean McBride
No doubt this may be annoying to some people: I tend to look at human situations as intellectual problems to be broken down and solved, to be looked at objectively from every angle, with every assumption and assertion being strongly tested. Sorry -- that's my temperament. Experience teaches that if you rush to judgment, you can get burned. Get your facts in order. Stand on as strong a... more... - Sean McBride
"“Why should we cherish “objectivity”, as if ideas were innocent, as if they don’t serve one interest or another? Surely, we want to be objective if that means telling the truth as we see it, not concealing information that may be embarrassing to our point of view. But we don’t want to be objective if it means pretending that ideas don’t play a part in the social struggles of our time,... more... - Steven Perez
Steven -- I was using "objectivity" in a different sense -- collecting all the facts about situations and arranging them in their true order (to the best of our ability) -- to read reality aright. We will, of course, all use these readings according to our respective value systems and agendas when we take positions. The point is, be on solid factual ground when taking positions *on... more... - Sean McBride
And I would agree with you, were we talking about a competent police department that wasn't intent on firing tear gas and rubber bullets into peaceful protesters, to say nothing of threatening anyone with a camera. Such is not the hallmark of rationality. - Steven Perez
There is plenty to criticize in the Ferguson police department -- but apparently some of the protestors are not so peaceful. That is why the NAACP endorsed sending the National Guard into this situation. Use Google Images and Youtube to turn up all the evidence of looting, rioting and vandalism that has been going on. What do you think that businesses and store owners and employees in... more... - Sean McBride
The majority of which could have been largely averted, had the police department handled the situation in a more professional manner. How much of the destruction that has been wrought has been a result of the police deciding to escalate an already tense situation until it became necessary to bring in the National Guard? - Steven Perez
Steven -- you're right -- the Ferguson police aggravated the situation. But here is the point: what kind of people loot, vandalize and destroy their own neighborhoods to engage in political protest? For instance, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have endured much worse treatment and suffering than Ferguson residents -- but they have never trashed their own neighborhoods as a form... more... - Sean McBride
There's your mistake, Sean: looters don't need a cause; they need an opportunity. Just ask every sports fan whose team just won a championship if the looters that smash up their downtown area are "fans". It's the same principle in this case. There's always going to be a group of opportunistic assholes that will take advantage of a situation to their benefit, especially in a nation founded by opportunistic assholes. - Steven Perez
This just in: [Ferguson protesters: The peaceful, the elders, the looters, and the ‘militants’] - Sean McBride
Riots that occur after sporting events are not pretending to be acts of noble political protest. - Sean McBride
Celebration riots in North American Sports. - Eric Logan
The Sociology of Crowds: Celebration Riots in North American Sports. - Eric Logan
Actually they are fans it seems and large groups of young white males are usually present and it's most likely to happen after long droughts by the sports teams and the culture surrounding the venue matters according to the only study I can find. - Eric Logan
Of course Steven is most certainly correct that they are not really fans in the truest sense of the word anymore than the looters are supporters of this family. - Eric Logan
Steven -- I can't think of any instances in which Palestinians have looted, vandalized and trashed their own neighborhoods in recent months; or in which Jews did so in the Nazi era; or in which American revolutionaries or the Irish did so under British occupation. From a cultural standpoint, there is something anomalous about this behavior -- it is not typical in most political situations. - Sean McBride
Eric -- who better to pay tribute to Michael Brown than looters? He himself looted a store in Ferguson minutes before his violent confrontation with Darren Wilson. - Sean McBride
Lots of people don't understand why looters "destroy their own neighborhoods" and I get it, but when people are disenfranchised and treated badly by those who are supposed to protect them, represent them, etc. it's hard to be personally invested in your neighborhood or even feel like it's "yours" at all. And while lots of folx scoff at the idea of outside agitators, the truth is they do... more... - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
The looting and vandalism are being chronicled in depth with images and videos posted on social media: 1. [Google Images; ferguson looting 2. [Youtube; ferguson looting] - Sean McBride
You're talking in circles, Sean. We're saying why people loot, and your reply is essentially "BUT BUT BUT BUT LOOTING!!" - Steven Perez
^^^^ - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Steven -- I didn't see your response to this comment: I can't think of any instances in which Palestinians have looted, vandalized and trashed their own neighborhoods in recent months; or in which Jews did so in the Nazi era; or in which American revolutionaries or the Irish did so under British occupation. From a cultural standpoint, there is something anomalous about this behavior -- it is not typical in most political situations. - Sean McBride
Steven -- how do you think police should respond to the looting and vandalism? What is your best advice? - Sean McBride
"their own neighborhoods"... do the people of Ferguson hold stock in the stores & businesses that have been hit? In the actual neighborhoods, no one is breaking windows or setting fires to people's houses or apartments or schools..."their" stores & businesses aren't affected because "they" don't own them or profit from them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
And you cannot compare what is happening to American citizens, who ostensibly have rights protected by the constitution, to Jews under Nazi occupation, who'd already been oppressed before the Nazis got there. They had no expectation of legal or constitutional protection and besides, nazis & anti-Semites did all the looting & burning for them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
In the other political situations I mentioned -- for instance, in Gaza and the West Bank -- did Palestinians from one town enter another town and loot and vandalize it? Not that I know of. And the conditions of oppression in Gaza and the West Bank are much worse than in Ferguson. - Sean McBride
Well, Sean, I have a radical idea concerning how to deal with looters: stop shooting peaceful protesters, journalists and other pedestrians with tear gas, rubber bullets and sound cannons, and go arrest looters. And, if they can find the time, stop shooting unarmed black men. I know those sound pretty radical in the second decade of the 21st century, but maybe if the police really apply themselves, they can reach that goal. - Steven Perez
Anyone who tries to justify or rationalize in any way the looting and vandalism in Ferguson is going to have a tough sell with the American people -- even Michael Brown's family has strongly condemned that behavior *without equivocation*. - Sean McBride
Why are you comparing Ferguson to other places in the world? Do you think the people most affected by what's happening all have the luxury of watching, studying, and debating the politics of other countries? I'd guess the majority of people in Ferguson have been too busy working so they can pay their bills, raising their families, & trying to keep their children safe, to be worried about protest tactics elsewhere. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
folks in Ferguson being tear gassed while standing on their own property are "the American people." - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
And this is where our brains part ways, Sean: I think you're conflating "looters" and "protesters". Which is something the police in Ferguson are doing. It's like watching the Bush Doctrine played out in suburban St. Louis: "Hey, look! Looters!" "Never mind them! We're being filmed! Get the LRAD!" - Steven Perez
Steven -- I didn't conflate looters and vandals with peaceful protestors -- I strongly support peaceful protest and even civil disobedience -- I am a big fan of Henry David Thoreau. But looting and vandalism have come to play a major role in recent events in Ferguson -- it's all over the news, in both the mainstream and alternative media. - Sean McBride
Why am I comparing Ferguson to other places in the world and previous eras of American history? Because many of us have noticed that legitimate political protest movements almost never rely on the looting and vandalism of their own property to make a political point. And that is why the serious protestors in Ferguson want to rid the looters and vandals from their midst as soon as possible. - Sean McBride
And you're insinuating that the protest movement in Ferguson does rely on looting? - Steven Perez
Might want to check the title of this post again, Sean. - Steven Perez
I insinuated no such thing: I explicitly stated, for instance, that the Brown family has condemned the looters and vandals *without equivocation* -- with no rationalizations presented to explain their behavior. I have also strongly and repeatedly condemned the heavy-handed behavior of the police. - Sean McBride
I am not in support of violence or looting. But I think it's important that people stop thinking that "they" are destroying "their" property. That isn't what's happening. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I rewrote the sentence above to make my point more clear: Many of us have noticed that legitimate political protest movements around the world and in American history have almost never been accompanied by the looting and vandalism of the protestors' own property to make a political point. - Sean McBride
Sean, you cannot compare blacks in America to any other oppressed people in world history. Unless you have some personal or family experience of 400 years of slavery, apartheid, and continuing genocide in African-American communities, you may have little understanding of how people feel. I'm not justifying looting, but perhaps as I suggested to Hostage on a MW thread that he and Chomsky... more... - weareone
Steven -- how would you characterize Michael Brown's behavior at the convenience store? What does his body language convey to you? - Sean McBride
And saying "many of us have noticed..." doesn't really mean anything. I'd bet the vast majority of Americans don't see themselves in what is happening elsewhere, or put much thought into what it's like. Until it happens to them. And when it does, they're probably more likely to react in the moment than to go study protest movements in other countries. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT MIKE BROWN DID OR HOW HE ACTED. Whatever he may or may not have been doing, he SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MURDERED FOR IT. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Seriously, it's like you didn't read, or don't care about, the OP article. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
My question was, how would you characterize Michael Brown's behavior in the convenience store? -- a simple question. No reasonable person believes that he deserved to be murdered for committing a strong-arm robbery. The facts about what occurred in his violent confrontation with Darren Wilson still haven't been sorted out -- the picture is still murky. - Sean McBride
weareone: "I'm not justifying looting." Well then we agree -- it is not justifiable -- and it is incredibly self-destructive, as many African-American leaders have emphasized in their public comments in recent days. - Sean McBride
And no one on this thread has suggested otherwise. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
How would I characterize Michael Brown in the convenience store? Two words: paying customer: - Steven Perez
Given that the Ferguson PD likes to play fast and loose with the facts (just the Al Jazeera camera crew how they felt about receiving "assistance" from the cops in the form of getting tear gassed - and then being told by the chief that no journalists had been gassed), you'll understand, Sean, why I think that the local fuzz is somewhat economical with the truth. - Steven Perez
You're focusing on the wrong thing. As someone else has stated, often provocateurs are brought into the community to shift the focus, the narrative. Even if this was not the case, focus on the injustice. - weareone
Steven -- didn't Dorian Johnson already acknowledge that they robbed the store? Correct me if I am wrong. Why did Brown bully, intimidate and shove the cashier? Most people have characterized his body language as thuggish. - Sean McBride
And those people would probably see ANY black or brown person's body language as "thuggish" - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
You're illustrating the point that the OP article is making, illustrating it beautifully. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
weareone: my Irish ancestors experienced a great deal of oppression in Ireland and the United States for many years -- but it is not a subject that I dwell on at all -- I tend to be forward-looking -- most Americans are. With regard to the comparative oppression of peoples worldwide historically speaking, African-Americans certainly rank high on the list. But as you well know, hundreds... more... - Sean McBride
Starmama: how, then, would you characterize the body language in these images? - Sean McBride
I voted for Barack Obama twice for president precisely because he was the *least* thuggish of the available candidates. - Sean McBride
That brings up an even more troubling question, Sean: why didn't the police pick up Johnson, if for nothing else, then at least for questioning? Why was Chris Hayes the first person to interview an alleged robbery suspect? - Steven Perez
I see a big guy pushing a smaller guy out of his way. Maybe Mike was being mean. Maybe he was mad at something the other guy said. I also see another goddamned distraction in the form of dissecting a murder victim's behavior to shift accountability from the police officer to Mike Brown. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
The alleged robbery, btw, wasn't even an issue. Store never called police about it. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Steven -- you are asking questions that still need to be answered -- and I can't wait for the answers. But is it a fact that Dorian Johnson himself acknowledged that he and Brown committed a strong-arm robbery in the convenience store? Johnson's own lawyer confirmed this on NPR yesterday -- and NPR -- hardly a right-wing media outlet -- was intensely curious about the problematic issues that have been raised in the last few days in this group. - Sean McBride
Which group? - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Starmama -- the main issue in this controversy is whether Brown was surrendering or charging Wilson when he was shot, and whether he assaulted Wilson before the shooting. Do you think you know what happened? I don't know. What we know so far is that the eyewitness claims that Brown was shot in the back were false. With regard to Dorian Johnson's credibility: even NPR questioned it yesterday. - Sean McBride
US Politics. - Sean McBride
Sean - Even NPR? Why is that so surprising? - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Do you think there is anything improper in NPR wondering about Dorian Johnson's credibility? Johnson's lawyer, the former mayor of St. Louis, took no offense to Robert Siegel's sharp and skeptical line of questioning. - Sean McBride
Sean, I'm not referring to past historical events, I'm talking about ongoing genocide and apartheid in the black community. Apartheid is now taking a different form, much more subtle and insidious than in Palestine or South Africa. The form is incarceration of the black community. Some stats are here: but just one example- 5 times... more... - weareone
weareone -- I have been aware of these statistics for a long time -- this is a huge social problem that needs to be addressed. I agree. With regard to the Ferguson situation what mainly interests me is uncovering the truth about really happened in the violent confrontation between Brown and Wilson and pursuing justice on the basis of that truth. Some people are assuming that they know what really happened before a full investigation has been completed -- I am not one of them. - Sean McBride
NPR, Sean? Link, please. - Steven Perez from Android
Everyone would like justice and truth, but the truth is that we have a very unjust system at the moment-police, courts, media, elected officials. I think this is the frustration that many are expressing."The Shortest Distance Between Palestine and Ferguson " - weareone
And that is why we need to pay very close attention to this investigation -- and demand that it be an honest investigation, with no suppression, manipulation or skewing of the facts. - Sean McBride
Also, six bullets is a little over-the-top a punishment for alleged petty theft, especially when the officer who pulled the trigger had no idea that an alleged robbery had taken place when he shot Brown in the street. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven -- I heard the Siegel interview of Johnson's lawyer on my car radio yesterday afternoon. I'll look for a link -- but you may be able to beat me to it. - Sean McBride
Steven -- the robbery had little to do with the shooting -- other than possibly making Brown and Johnson paranoid about being stopped by Wilson within minutes of the crime. The open question that needs to be resolved is whether or not Brown assaulted Wilson, grabbed for his gun, and later turned and charged at him. That claim is out there, but we don't know whether it is true or not.... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, no. I just asked why you were apparently surprised. As for the officer being a "maniac" I haven't seen any credible claims of that nature. What is known is that Ferguson police are nortorious for harassment of black people. Which may just put them in line with Missouri law enforcement in general. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte from Android
If you believe that all these people murdered by police were reaching for the cops' guns, you're wrong. Whenever I hear that, I automatically process it as a lie. You'd have to be incredibly stupid, or fully confident in your white privilege, to try to take away a cop's gun. Most people, and black people especially, know that that will lead to them being dead. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Paranoid people generally don't mouth off to police, Sean. If Brown and Johnson had actually just pulled a robbery, why didn't they hightail it out of the street the minute they saw the cop? - Steven Perez from Android
We're going in circles, Sean. How are you going to insure an" honest investigation, with no suppression, manipulation or skewing of the facts" ? Did you ever see the movie, "The Great Debaters?" It addresses some of these issues--what is the appropriate response to unjust laws or laws that are not applied with equality or corrupt officials who protect the status quo? - weareone
Steven -- once again, you are asking questions that need to be answered -- one could make any number of speculations about every aspect of the case as we know it so far. Let's get all the facts out. - Sean McBride
I can't even believe the claim that Brown was charging the officer. Maybe he was mouthing off. But I'm telling you, unless they're on drugs (not weed), the likelihood of someone thinking they can get away with charging toward an armed cop is probably close to nil. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
weareone -- aggressive investigative journalists and social media are going to be all over this case, looking into every minute detail. It will be nearly impossible to engineer a cover-up, in my opinion. The US Justice Department seems to be partly or fully in charge of the investigation -- one doubts that Barack Obama and Eric Holder would participate in a cover-up to unfairly exonerate Wilson. - Sean McBride
Starmama -- I agree -- it sounds completely crazy for Brown to have charged Wilson while Wilson was pointing a gun at him -- no sane person would do that. It is definitely not a claim that I am inclined to believe based on common sense. - Sean McBride
And trust and believe, most of us with black children have already had the conversation with them about how they may be treated by the police, and how to conduct themselves in any contact they may have with them. I'm sure that's something you cannot wrap your mind around. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Starmama -- I have black friends -- I know about that conversation. - Sean McBride
And by all accounts, Mike Brown was neither stupid nor insane. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
At the same time, Wilson would have had to be crazy to shoot Brown *six times* (at least) while he was surrendering, with his hands in the air, and with any number of potential eyewitnesses in the immediate vicinity. At least one of the two parties in this confrontation was definitely not in his right mind. - Sean McBride
But I still doubt you could fully comprehend what it's like to never have complete confidence in your child's safety being guaranteed by the police. Or knowing that your child will be judged, and treated, based on how he looks, regardless of how he behaves. As well as I like to believe I have prepared him, I still lose sleep over the dangers he faces that a white teenager never even needs to consider. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Sean, a little free advice? Never lead with "I have black friends." I don't doubt your sincerity but it falls flat. You shouldn't have to be in proximity to black people to have empathy for them. That seems to be a large part of the problem. We largely don't get the benefit of the doubt. It's like the conservative politician who doesn't support gay rights until he discovers that his son is gay. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
MoTO -- I was just stating a fact -- I have had conversations about these conversations with black friends -- and heard disturbing stories from them on these issues. This topic isn't abstract for me. - Sean McBride
Sean, I don't doubt your sincerity either based on our discussions on other threads, but good advice from MoTO. Sean--- <<It will be nearly impossible to engineer a cover-up, in my opinion>> I hope you're right. - weareone
Again, I don't doubt that it is. Just consider what I said. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
"The open question that needs to be resolved is whether or not Brown [...] later turned and charged at him. " As Shaun King tweeted, according to eyewitness accounts, Brown ran 35 feet from the cop car before stopping and turning. The _fact_ is that he died 35 feet from the cop car. So this question seems pretty resolved to me. - Andrew C (✔)
I stand reprimanded for divulging that I've had conversations with black friends about black political and social issues. I will take care to keep that secret in the future. :) By the way, I didn't lead with that information -- I mentioned it off-handedly in the course of this conversation about "the conversation." - Sean McBride
Andrew -- that's a compelling argument -- maybe this case will revolve around those all-important 35 feet. (But -- was Wilson standing by the car when he fired the shots? Or had he pursued Brown to a position away from the car?) - Sean McBride
"was Wilson standing by the car when he fired the shots? Or had he pursued Brown to a position away from the car?" -- Neither matters at all when considering whether or not Brown charged. He made it 0 feet back towards Wilson. But if you are curious, there are multiple eyewitness reports that do in fact answer this second question you've just raised. - Andrew C (✔)
In terms of successfully prosecuting a case against Wilson, all of these niggling details will matter greatly. - Sean McBride
Andrew: what do you make of this? -- [Conversation recorded by bystander just moments after Michael Brown shooting casts doubt on claims the teen surrendered to Officer Darren Wilson] If there is a trial, this will become part of it. - Sean McBride
I guess if you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, I can't stop you. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew -- I didn't express any "beliefs" about the content of the Daily Mail article -- I was wondering what you make of it -- is it credible? - Sean McBride
Sean, I saw that video the other day. I'm not convinced that the people in that video were 'witnesses'. It sounds more like hearsay to me. They also mention 4 shots fired, a break, then 4 more shots. One person (is that in this video) says the last shots were fired closer and after Michael Brown was down in the street. - Greg GuitarBuster
Would it be fair to say that the conversations that were recorded here within moments of the shooting were spontaneous and uncoached? That is a factor I would take into consideration. - Sean McBride
Yep, definitely spontaneous and uncoached. - Greg GuitarBuster
Right -- but not necessarily true or a first-person account, as you point out. Still.... - Sean McBride
Sean, take it as you please. I could take your last comment to me as patronizing. But I'm taking the high road :) - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Steven Perez
I can see clearly now, the rain is gone ... :) - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Good morning. - John (bird whisperer)
Good morning, John. :) - Steven Perez
Hey, Val. 😊 - Steven Perez from Android
Steven Perez
I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice System - The Atlantic -
I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice System - The Atlantic
"Ten years ago, when I started my career as an assistant district attorney in the Roxbury neighborhood of Boston, I viewed the American criminal justice system as a vital institution that protected society from dangerous people. I once prosecuted a man for brutally attacking his wife with a flashlight, and another for sexually assaulting a waitress at a nightclub. I believed in the system for good reason." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"But in between the important cases, I found myself spending most of my time prosecuting people of color for things we white kids did with impunity growing up in the suburbs. As our office handed down arrest records and probation terms for riding dirt bikes in the street, cutting through a neighbor’s yard, hosting loud parties, fighting, or smoking weed – shenanigans that had rarely... more... - Steven Perez
Steven Perez
Mmm, fresh cucumber.
Yes! Yum! - Tamara J. B.
Lightly salted, with some California ketchup. - Steven Perez
*Googles "California ketchup" with Safe Search on* - Big Joe Silence
It's ranch dressing. :D - Steven Perez
oh, thank goodness. - Big Joe Silence
I love the smell of freshly sliced cucumber. :-) - Maitani
Cucumber & tomato on a bagel smeared with cream cheese (or dairy free cream cheese) = best summertime breakfast ever - Corinne L
That sounds yummy. - Steven Perez
Andrew C (✔)
RT @kittyfitz50: Hedy Epstein, 90+ Holocaust survivor, just arrested in #Ferguson
RT @kittyfitz50: Hedy Epstein, 90+ Holocaust survivor, just arrested in #Ferguson
What the bloody fuck is going on there??? Do we not have better things to do? - Uli
the cops there obviously don't. - Big Joe Silence
Are you fucking serious?!? - Steven Perez
Andrew C (✔)
Ferguson elected abusive policewoman to city council -
"One of the six current members of the Ferguson, MO, city council (and its only woman) is Kim Tihen. That's the same Kim Tihen implicated in the story from four years ago about four police officers beating up and jailing the wrong Henry Davis, then charging him with property damage for bleeding on their uniforms. See the text of his appeal here, which includes naming Tihen as the female officer who cuffed him in the cell right before he was kicked in the head." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
Of course, they did. In Texas, we keep sending our jerks to Austin. - Steven Perez
Can someone make me a fried egg sandwich and bring it to my bed plzkthxbai
Amazon Drone delivery? - Amit Patel
*starts warming up the fax machine* - Steven Perez
I used to think we all needed a pizza drive...something like a DVD drive but bigger, with internet pizza delivery. But then you go ordering a fried egg sandwich and making it obsolete before we even have it. :( - April Russo
Fried egg pizza then? - Melly
I can make you a fried egg sammich, I am specialist in those. You want it with mayo and some pickles (for health)? Cheese as well? Also, I hope that home made wheat bread is okay. -- Oh shit, now I want one myself. - Uli
Lots of butter and a little ketchup please Uli! - Melly from FFHound!
*salivates* - Big Joe Silence
Steven Perez
Fox Panel Defends Ferguson Police: ‘The Response Last Night Is What Needs To Happen’ via @thinkprogress
Fox Panel Defends Ferguson Police: ‘The Response Last Night Is What Needs To Happen’ via @thinkprogress
So the next press leak from the Ferguson police will be that Michael Brown was a Muslim terrorist? - Greg GuitarBuster
They're still kicking themselves for not thinking of that. - Steven Perez
Steven Perez
Good morning, FriendFeed.
A gentle reminder on this Monday morning. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, Bunneh! - Tamara J. B.
Good morning Bunneh! - DB, Lil LB's Dad
Good morning, pretty Tam Tam. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, DB. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, Bunneh! - vicster: full-bodied
thanks, bunneh. I needed that. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
'Good 'Morning ''Steven!.....................:-) - Nispell
Good morning, Vicster. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, Tamara. Always. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, Nispell. :) - Steven Perez
thank you Mr. B!!! - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
Hey, Val. ☺ - Steven Perez from Android
Steven Perez
Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times
Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times
God damn. - Victor Ganata
To say the least. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven Perez
I might have spent the day watching Godzilla movies.
So much for being productive. - Steven Perez
Also, naps. Lots of naps. - Steven Perez
Can you please pass one of those naps this way? - Julian
and what's wrong with that?? - Sir Shuping is just sir
Not. A. Thing. - Steven Perez
that's right! and that is productive! - Sir Shuping is just sir
Steven Perez
Good morning, FriendFeed. -
Good morning, FriendFeed.
Ah, Sunday morning. Time to stop and smell the flowers. :) - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Good morning. - John (bird whisperer)
Good morning, John. :) - Steven Perez
g'morning, bunneh :-) - vicster: full-bodied
Good morning, Vicster. :) - Steven Perez
and then eat them....hey Mr. B - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
Good morning! :) - Anne Bouey
Hey, Val. That's what the green onions are for. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, Anne. :) - Steven Perez
Barry! :) - Steven Perez
Okay, what does wisdom tooth pain feel like? Can it hurt your tongue/ear/throat as well as your gum & jaw?
It feels like your face was used for target practice by cruise missiles. - Steven Perez
The nerves are all interconnected, so pain from one bad tooth can spread around. Usually it's clear which one is the culprit, but the pain won't necessarily be confined to one spot. - John (bird whisperer)
Steven Perez
Good morning, FriendFeed. -
Good morning, FriendFeed.
A nice, lazy Saturday with a few good books. :) - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Good afternoon. - John (bird whisperer)
Good morning, Bunneh! Sounds like a perfect day. - Tamara J. B. from FFHound(roid)!
Good morning, Steven. :) - Anne Bouey
Good morning, John. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, pretty Tam Tam. :) - Steven Perez
Good morning, Anne. :) - Steven Perez
Hey, Val. :) - Steven Perez
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
I feel like the sun is burning me individually. It's a breezy 76°F but step in the sun and it's a 102°F suddenly. What the hell, sun?! 🌞🌋
your earlier meds aren't helping that most people burn faster with advil in system - Steve C
I'm home now so I should start to cool off soon. Phew! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Hmm, sounds like you got hit with the Texas Special. - Steven Perez
Victor Ganata
Does this mean Rick Perry's quest for the White House is over or nah?
I guess it depends on whether he can convince anyone that 'the government has it in for him' or 'advocate judges are the worst.' - Jennifer Dittrich
Being in jail could make campaigning kind of difficult. - John (bird whisperer)
I don't think this is as deadly to his political career as Bridgegate is to Christie's. Perry played hardball with a drunk driver he wanted to step down. "Vetogate" or "Drunkdrivergate" isn't going to have the same emotional resonance. - Stephen Mack
LaRouche made a go of it, but I'm not sure Perry's supporters are up for that sort of campaign. - Jennifer Dittrich
Although yeah, if he's convicted and jailed, that'll make campaigning challenging. - Stephen Mack
Wonder if he'll resign? Yeah, right. - Victor Ganata
Never underestimate Texas-sized stupidity. This will only make his more intransigent supporters dig in, and in this state, there's quite a few of those clowns running around. - Steven Perez
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