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Here's all the conversations on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/search... (all items with five or more comments). Just for anyone who is looking for a conversation. Me? I'm looking to get smarter. I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything.
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In fact, most of these conversations aren't even in English.
- Robert Scoble
While I see what you're lamenting, I haven't seen much better on twitter - especially since the format reflects the idea of shouting into the void 160 at a time.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
so.... not in English= not smart? Maybe you could learn some of the languages. You'd be smarter then!
- Jim Addz No Value
Jeremy: I used to think that too, but then I unfollowed everyone and changed my strategy. My lists are very good now for getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: not in English = not making ME smarter unless I translate and, even then, finding good conversations is very difficult. Most of the conversations on FriendFeed are pablum, sorry. For instance, the item underneath this one on my screen reads "Just smashed a finger between a pair of 45 pound plates." OK.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly your definition of 'good conversation' needs revision. If you think that a conversation cannot be 'good' unless it makes you smarter than you have a worldview that's much too small. Yes, that's RAPatton with the smashed finger. If you knew anything about Robert then you might find that post to be significant. You might learn something about Robert and the many, many physical trials he's had to endure in his life.
- Jim Addz No Value
Smart is not in what information you get, who you talk to. Smart is in how you use the information you get,
- Brian Sullivan
Let us not pretend that twitter is not full of inanities. It's not format, it's users. If you want conversations, start some.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
+++Brian
- Melanie Reed
Robert, thank you for sharing that information about smashing up one's fingers. Just the meme presenting itself into my conscientiousness so that it may be drawn up in some future potential accident with my hands may indeed help me by association to avoid it! :) It's not all useless.
- Melanie Reed
Jim: I don't want to talk about everything in the world that's happening to everyone. Maybe you want to talk about Tiger Woods and his problems or how someone smashed their fingers, but I don't. I'm looking for something smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Your request appears to be best handled by Google Wave these days since it is easy to lose threads in most other tools.
- Roney Smith
No Robert you are looking for something Techier which coincidentally does not equal smarter.. Different yes, smarter no. You are starting to act like that annoying person who keeps going to parties just to complain about everything. If you don't want to be here don't be here. I'm getting tired of your weekly friendfeed is dead bash on friendfeed thread.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
robert, what someone... (perhaps louis gray?)... could make is a lazy feed for friendfeed-style conversations. what do you think?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Google Wave is 100x more noisy and less useful than FriendFeed ever was.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: no, that isn't true. I read a wide variety of things. For instance, world news: http://twitter.com/scoblem...
- Robert Scoble
If you read that it's more focused and makes you smarter. Here? I don't find I'm getting smarter. I find I'm spending time having fun, maybe, but not getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- sometimes I think you are just full of it. Have you ever actually used Google Wave?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: yes. I have hundreds of conversations open in Wave and it totally sucks. If you get value out of it you must either have only a very small group of people you collaborate with (I don't have that luxury) or you must be a better person than I am.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you could not have missed my point more than you did. I'm done though... sorry. I like you but you just do not get it.
- Jim Addz No Value
MIT Courseware is a good place to go to get smarter Robert... http://ocw.mit.edu/ --- since when has FF been a place to go to get smarter... twitter sure isn't doing that either is it?
- Chris Heath
Wave is not for conversations it is for collaboration -- so what you are saying is the way you use it it sucks -- maybe because you don't know how to use it?
- Brian Sullivan
Pffft. Not only do most conversations on here or Twitter not make you smarter, some actually cost you money: "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- WorldofHiglet
Brian: even if you know how to use it it becomes noisy very quickly and you can't easily get back to the value that someone left in a long thread. OK, I guess from your message that you only have five people in your Wave. Then it's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Well, some of the stories on that list will probably help expand one's way of thinking... but Kim Kardashian and bed picnics? Knitting Icelanders? Seems there's a relative amount of fluff on that list as well, from the brief glance I gave it. Expand your brain all you want, Robert, it's an excellent idea. But don't discount the play factor in learning... which appears to be kind of what...
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- Bette Cooper
WorldofHiglet: I just sent my $100 to the Food Bank. Was worth every penny.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if your looking to get smarter then get off the internet and go read a book. Or stay on the internet and go to websites that provided educational material. I'm so sorry that we don't provide you with the knowledge that you are seeking....
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Bette: there's always fluff. But now I don't need to dig through fluff on top of fluff. :-) Here I'm faced with both the fluff (and, sorry, compare the link above to the world news link and you'll see there's more fluff here) but here I need to deal with the conversation fluff too.
- Robert Scoble
When my brother decides to step in the poo, he certainly splashes it all over.
- Alex Scoble
Jim: whatever. You obviously get value out of this kinds of conversation. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I love giving people here what they want: a conversation. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: I read books too (even have a Kindle so I can buy most anybook and read it immediately), but they make me smart about something that happened 12 months ago (or longer).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this isn't the kind of conversation that most of us are looking for. We are looking for fun or meaningful conversation. This here, is accomplishing anything more then wasting time.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Ok Robert I feel I need a disclaimer here... I was one of the Scobleites that followed you here, I stayed around though since I found it interesting. But yes you gathered a list on world media, that list though is not you or your conversations.... But look at your twitter feed, your conversations are 90%+ tech.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
So where's the guy who wondered where all the conversations have gone? Look at this one... the fine art of avoiding heavy objects, and how to fling poo in a civilized manner. Now that's a conversation! :D
- Bette Cooper
Is this your monthly Friendfeed slam? If so, thanks, see you in January.
- Kenton
Looking to get smarter, or looking to feel superior? I'm allergic to condescension and this post almost killed me :P
- Lo
Lo: :-)
- Robert Scoble
Lo: the thing is the traffic here has NOT been going up and I'm trying to communicate why. Most people look at FriendFeed and don't see the conversations. Then, if they do find the conversations they see a bunch of noise. FriendFeed is fun for my brother, but not for people like me who are looking for something more specific.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: my output is mostly tech, because that's mostly what I want to talk about, yes. But my inbound is much wider than that.
- Robert Scoble
I think the specificity is really where it is at. FF is many things. Specific ain't it.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Good luck finding what you are looking for on Twitter.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: I already found it on Twitter. It's easy with lists.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert, in order for some of us to actually learn something; What do you, or any of us, gain by you coming here periodically and posting what is wrong with Friendfeed and the community? It seems to me that if you are looking for intelligent conversation you wouldn't just troll for comments, you'd actually start something worthwhile.
- Kenton
Kenton: it's fun. Oh, so you are admitting that some conversations are more fun for you than others? EXACTLY MY POINT!
- Robert Scoble
And I keep coming here, seeing the noise, and it makes me grumpy. Just like I'm making YOU grumpy! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Why does it make you grumpy? Because you see it as noise and others don't?
- Bette Cooper
Bette: yes. I see noise and not much signal. Makes me grumpy. But, worse, it explains why traffic numbers here have gone down.
- Robert Scoble
Kenton: and, as for starting something, I've already done that: my own filtered feed: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- I wish I could do something like this here, but FriendFeed never got to it.
- Robert Scoble
#scobleapprovedconversations
- Jeremy (on vacation)
TRAFFIC has not gone down! Traffic has gone up! Us American folks don't make a website! The people of the world make a website!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
The reason it makes me grumpy is that I don't appreciate people who drive by and fling insults and tell us all that we're doing something wrong. The community here on Friendfeed works for the people who want it to work. If you're only doing it so you can have fun, have it at someone else's expense. Oh, here's a list of all the conversations (5 tweets or more) on Twitter. Oh, wait, how do I do that? How about Facebook? Oh, hmmm, can't do that there either.
- Kenton
Mathew: that doesn't match the statements I've seen from traffic sites. Would love to see URLs proving traffic has gone up.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't becoming better a nobler goal than being smarter? Smarter as a goal is solipsistic. Better as a goal encourages well roundedness and non means oriented connections with other people.
- Todd Hoff
Kenton: it takes two people to have a conversation. If you don't like the insults, don't pay attention to them!
- Robert Scoble
hmmm one man's turd is another mans gold... As I said before why do you come here if you don't like it and it makes you grumpy. To me that sounds quite masochistic... How are we to gauge your conversations? Conversation by definition takes two.. So what comes in through your lists can't exactly be said to be conversations you are taking part of. Your feed on the other hand can...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Todd: that's cool, but I'm already listening to 1,300 on Facebook, 16,000 on Twitter, and something like 15,000 here. How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" Me? I'm ready to narrow my focus to people who are actually teaching me something and making my life more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
He likes the site. That's thing. He can't put it down.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Here you go. http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Now I do want to say that traffic does go up and down. But, it is easy to see that Friendfeed is on a upward trend.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Rasmus: I keep getting pulled back here because some of you take my name in vain.
- Robert Scoble
LOL@egotisticalfattie
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Mathew: Alexa is well known to be very inaccurate. Quantcast is the one that most people use as real numbers.
- Robert Scoble
As noted earlier, also seems language is proximate fundamental limiting factor. Really need Ubiquity add-on or some similar magic to do on the fly translation, (think Aunt Rosy Wavebot style). Seems next major limiting factor on expanding knowledge and integration of global cognition grid is language. This is fundamentally doable with today's tools, but nobody seems focused on making it happen in a way that we can all start teaching the GCG how to translate more accurately, understand slang, etc.
- michael silverton
Well, when I goto Quantcast and see "rough estimate" that doesn't work for me. I want to see something that looks solid. But, whatever, I'm done. No one is going to satisfy you with whatever they bring to you.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Jeremy: truth is, I do like the site, but haven't liked it as much lately because everytime I come here I see noise, even on the lists I hand made.
- Robert Scoble
No, you haven't found it on Twitter because it's not possible to have conversations on Twitter. And I doubt it will ever be possible. Twitter is like the modern equivalent of beepers. There's nothing there. Seriously.
- Alex Scoble
Mathew: 20% of traffic comes from Turkey. I could care less about traffic there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Funny thing is I like what you do on twitter, I even follow most of your lists on there, but the persona showing up here seems so very different.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Alex: really? I have conversations all the time on Twitter. I post a URL to my blog and on my blog I have Disqus, which lets me have conversations. Or, we link here, like we do for Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
"How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" - is better defined by information absorbed or actions of quality taken?
- Todd Hoff
I use FriendFeed to start smart conversations - I don't need to find ones to join, but there are those, too. I post them to Twitter, then continue them over here.
- Jesse Stay
You may careless about the traffic there. But those who own and run Friendfeed care about ALLLLLLLLLLL traffic, not just US based traffic.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Alex, Twitter can be the start of the conversation.
- Paul Harvey
Todd: Better is hard to define. Some people think better is having Turkish conversations. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
I call it weeding the wheat from the chaff, Robert. FF is an excellent place for relaxing, for finding stimulating tidbits that lead to other things... and for getting a good laugh after a hard day. Oh... and for taking your name in vain... you make it far too easy. :-p Dude, you get what you give. The way it works. You want good stuff, give it. You want laughs, don't ever change....
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- Bette Cooper
Mathew: the people who own and run FriendFeed don't care about FriendFeed. They run a little site named Facebook. You might have heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
I've had some great conversations with David Recordon, Chris Messina, Dewitt Clinton, Cristo, Otto, Stephen Mack, Atul, Steve Gillmor, and more and I don't have to worry about losing the organization of the conversation over here. There's still nothing better, but it's your responsibility to make those conversations happen. I can't do what I can here over on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
That's bitterness speaking.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
By definition you aren't having conversations on Twitter. I get way more participation here than I ever will on Twitter even though I'm sending the same stuff there. Twitter just sucks. There's no way for you to say that it doesn't. It's popular, but that in no way shape or form makes it a viable alternative to friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
You may think that but I don't. And unless you can show be proof to support your statement then I'm not changing my mind. Because if they didn't care about Friendfeed it all it wouldn't be here.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Jesse: true. That's why I link to the Gillmor Gang over on Twitter (I link here).
- Robert Scoble
Alex: you're just as delusional as me. It's a Scoble trait! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Most normal people would say we're both wrong and they point to Facebook as proof.
- Robert Scoble
It's incredibly hard to talk intelligently in 140 characters, and even harder when the conversation isn't organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: when I need more than 140 characters I blog and post a URL. It works. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You know what, I'm hiding this post. I'm done, because all it is doing is angering me and wasting my time.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I have intelligent conversations on Facebook as well - see a few of the conversations (not near as many as here) over at http://facebook.com/stay
- Jesse Stay
Mathew: now you know why I bitch. I come here, see all sorts of noise and it makes me angry so I lash out.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but your blog doesn't thread underneath the Tweet like my responses do here. If I need anything longer than this, then yes, I blog.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Facebook is definitely becoming more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
If we have to supplement a program to crutch its handicaps, then it is time to stop using the broken program.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy: I tried for 18 months to get everyone to use FriendFeed. I failed and will continue to do so because most people don't want to have conversations with people they don't know. That's the secret sauce on Facebook. You know everyone you talk with (mostly).
- Robert Scoble
http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... stats, mostly US. And from Compete.com: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Robert Scoble
Twitter has its place as well - don't get me wrong, and there are many smart people there to learn from, but as far as continuing that conversation, I can have much more intelligent conversation here than I can there. I wish more people used a combination of the two, or at least turned on e-mails so they get responses to their FriendFeed shares.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: email bacn is horrid. I turn off email notification from all social sites.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds to me like you need to prune your feed again Robert so you only get the stuff you like, in the language you like from the countries you like.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
"Better is hard to define" - Better in this context is your personal goals, that is being smarter, not the thread language choices :-)
- Todd Hoff
maybe FF'ers are a bunch of know-it-all type of people.,.... therefore they need not get smarter ;)
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
hey everyone... forget this nonsense... watch the TWiT holiday special with Coulton and Hodgman - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
Gotta run, gang. Keep up the great work. I'm trying to make this Mozilla Raindrop thing work http://mozillalabs.com/raindro... -- YAARF? (Yet Another Aspiring Relevance Filter) Feedly's doing great, but needs Open Calais rockin' and aforementioned realtime translation. ;-) Onward!
- michael silverton
Jeff: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, FriendFeed replies aren't bacon - it's the only way I can stay organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I would get too many of them to make them at all useful.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, understood, but most people wouldn't, and should keep it enabled. Or find some way to know when people are responding to their posts.
- Jesse Stay
Anyway, I just checked out the link here again that I started this whole conversation out with and, boy, is it exciting! Not. Oh well, see ya again soon for more self loathing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like you need to set up some lists ;-) The guys I named are a good start.
- Jesse Stay
The other thing that doesn't make sense with this conversation is you couldn't even do the search you did on Twitter. What would Twitter return if you could track responses to original Tweets that are greater than 5?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: one of the major reasons I keep coming back here is for the search. Twitter is rebuilding its search from scratch, so it'll be interesting to watch in 2010 (so is Facebook, btw).
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I spent hundreds of hours organizing my lists here on FriendFeed. I find all I need to do is track you because you get involved in almost every interesting tech conversation here.
- Robert Scoble
They'll need to implement threaded conversations for a search like that to work. I'm listening though.
- Jesse Stay
Well thanks Robert - I use it as a tool. I wouldn't be using it if I didn't find it productive, which is why I get involved in interesting conversations. You know all this stuff better than I though so I know I don't need to convince you.
- Jesse Stay
Worried about getting smarter? Read a book. *says the Librarian, in a "the more you know" voice ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Archangel: books are nice for knowledge that's 12 months old (or older). It takes that long to publish the damn things.
- Robert Scoble
true. but it's a good in-depth supplement to the quick-hits of 140-character discussions. Plus, political theory - what's currently on the nightstand - isnt exactly on an expiration date (not often at least). ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Twitter Trending Topics... Thanks for playing...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
For the record, twitter trending topics are #oneofmyfollowers , #ghettobabynames , #nowplaying , #thoushallnot , Jersey Shore , #p4a , Colts , #DavidArchuletaLive , Xmas , #omgfacts
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, if Jesse's in all the conversations interesting to you, just save this search: https://friendfeed.com/search...
- Bruce Lewis
My eyes sorta glazed over about half way down this thread, sorry... but I just wanted to correct something mentioned above about "traffic" being up. Alexa says "Reach" is up but "Pageviews" are down about 20% since August http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... And that's global stats. US only is a whole 'nother conversation. Whether "traffic" is up or down depends on how you define traffic... and what you're trying to prove.
- Ken Sheppardson
Here's what wolfram|alpha says http://friendfeed.com/ccheath...
- Chris Heath
With each conversation, I learn a bit more about those to whom I am subscribed and I hope they learn a little something about me. I am quite happy with that.
- Michael W. May
There are three major aspects of any social network: Relevancy, Technology and Community. FriendFeed has the best technology, period. The community is also excellent. The difference here is that it has changed from 12 months ago or 24 months ago. When I visit FriendFeed, I am not looking for the deep technical conversations we used to have because the community more accurately reflects...
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- Louis Gray
For Robert, who is a good guy even though at times he can be misunderstood or frustrating, this change in community has decreased the site's relevancy. Couple that with an unclear future, and he is doing what is right for him. I could make some quip about how Robert needs to get smarter more than most of us, but I won't. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, has the community changed or has just a section left? I see people from 18 months ago and my feed hasn't changed much in that time.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, without invalidating the above, I would suggest that you are part of the "new-ish" community that joined after FriendFeed's initial 6+ months. Yes, many of the people Robert and I consider peers and friends who used to engage in the deeper tech talk here have left, but other great folks like you made the place a whole lot of fun. You just have to see what I like or comment on to...
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- Louis Gray
So it has become a little bit more social media than social media...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Yes Louis we all get that... What we don't get is why he keeps returning just to lay a brown one every two, three weeks. If he doesn't like it here, he doesn't have to say so again and again. He can just mosey along and think back on the good times. Being the "biggest fanboy" does not give you the right to then come back and be annoying after leaving. We all heard him the first time, if not second or third..
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, I am explaining the behavior, not endorsing it. :)
- Louis Gray
I know Louis :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I don't understand why you think that social networking sites that encourage people to post all the small mundane things in their life is the place to go to find an abundance of intelligent tech discussions. I would think a busy forum whose focus is on tech, inhabited by intelligent people, would be a better place to find what you are looking for. For me that happens to be the forum at...
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- April Russo (app103)
Good recommendation, April - thanks!
- WorldofHiglet
michael silverton (way up this thread ^ ), you mentioned on-the-fly translation tools? - I created them (not in Ubiquity, but Greasemonkey/Greasekit): http://translatorize.com - implemented for Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca
- Micah Wittman
Back when Robert was 'getting value' out of FF, he mentioned it (the first implementation was for Friendfeed): http://friendfeed.com/fftrans... .... hey, the Scobleizer blog post link is dead! So by my count: Friendfeed *not* dead, blog post dead (Seriously, I looked in the archives, Robert, but I don't see it? Did some stuff get lost when the site was hacked months back?)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, I linked to it from my "FriendFeed's Fine" post - it's here: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you're checking the wrong one. It's http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Micah Wittman
Oh, you're talking about one of the ones where he said it wasn't dying. A lot of that stuff got deleted when he was hacked, which is probably the case for that one.
- Jesse Stay
*slow-mo-facepalm*
- Micah Wittman
Why not look to exercise your brain at least rather than having to get "smarter"?
- Michelle Matthews
unexpected connections is what make your brain expand, hearing the same stuff from the same people is enervating...
- WarLord
what a noisy dumb post
- james
Oh vey. It is what it is fluid and alive. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
This thread isn't making me any smarter ;)
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
FriendFeed has evolved, just like every other site out there. Perhaps at one time, it was a forum for techies. Now, not so much. You and those techies went somewhere else to fill that info void. Meanwhile, others joined FF for the social interaction. Not understanding why you keep coming back here to stir the pot. It's not for you any more. That's fine. Let it go. There are discussions here; they just aren't topics in which you're interested. I read lots of spirited political discussions. >>>
- rowlikeagirl
As for the bigger picture, I'm seeing FF turn into another aggregation site. Not a criticism, just an observation. ((((returns to watching Turkish animated GIFs)))
- rowlikeagirl
FF for me, is a way to get away from "learning" yet another "thing"...to learn even one thing takes a lifetime...the intellectuals need to lighten up maybe and have a bit of fun? if not, FF is not for them...
- sally stokhamer
Robert , indeed,you shouldn't be in need to look smarter.I ,and many of your followers think you are smart.Here's what you read : @scoblemedia/world-news-brands .Some more can be added to this list.But your time will not be enough.Keep up the good work please...Thank You,and Best Wishes...
- Dedegi
I just ate a mango. The problem of infinitely multiplying narcissistic minutiae in social media. The solution: ultra-smart news filters and recommender systems. (And a big wave to Akiva Moskovitz, my biggest fan on Friendfeed.)
- Sean McBride
News recommender systems: what are the most important remarks made by the most important people on the topics I most care about? Sort them by priority, please. One wishes that Friendfeed had taken an interest in this technology but, alas, no.
- Sean McBride
"I can always make you smile" http://i171.photobucket.com/albums... :)
- Citronella
Public conversations of every conceivable variety should be able to coexist comfortably in social media space, without any conversation impinging on any other conversation. What we need are the software tools to discover, prioritize and manage those conversations that are most interesting to each of us individually. There is really not much point in complaining about conversations that are not interesting -- simply don't pay attention to them.
- Sean McBride
" I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything" ~ http://news.ycombinator.com
- Peter Renshaw
Robert, I have taken it upon myself to help grant you your wish with this hashtag: #HelpRobertScobleGetSmarter
- April Russo (app103)
Robert Scoble didn't make FriendFeed. FriendFeed was already here. People were using it. Scoble showed up and brought thousands of his minions. They clogged up the feed for a few months. Some of them weren't total Scobleites and stuck around. The rest bounced when he did.
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To hear people talk about FriendFeed's high point being related to Scoble really bothers me. I think R. Scoble is a cool dude, but he isn't and wasn't the God of FriendFeed by any useful measure in my book.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Plus, I think I've had more meaningful discussion and engagement from his brother here. :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Totally agree.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I also think it's important to note that I don't think Scoble ever claimed to 'make' FriendFeed himself. That idea was placed on him by others that did not understand his evangalism. I like Robert, don't always agree with him, but I like him and what he did for FriendFeed :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
But, ever since he pretty much declared Friendfeed dead he has been saying that since he "left" friendfeed has gone down hill.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Mathew, people left before Scoble made that statement. It was at least a month inbetween the sale and that post.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Thanks Rah! I do understand Scoble's (apparent) complaint, though: the alpha-geeks and uber-nerds (and people that orbit around them) that **he** follows -- because he's a tech blogger/media person and that's how he makes a living -- aren't participating here as much, nor are the founders, who also happen to be part of that alpha-geek set, participating here as much as they once did, if at all.
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Johnny I realize that, but I'm trying to say that the way he acts makes it seem like he thinks he put the nail in the non-existent coffin of Friendfeed.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Mathew, I am willing to give Robert the benefit of the doubt on this one. 140 characters is a difficult medium to explain oneself. He calls it as he sees it, he may not be seeing much past his own nose, but he makes statements and reacts to the reaction.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
i dont know why he just doesnt make a discussion board for himself and getting all his fans join that.. solve his problem then...
- Terry O'Fee
Wait. You mean Scoble didn't invent Friendfeed? Doesn't the fact that he invented the Internet mean, by extension, that Friendfeed exists because of him? :)
- Curtiss Grymala
Agreed Johnny. I'm not really blaming Scoble, it's comments from others that get on my nerves. I should have clarified that initially. I can't say that he's ever called himself the master of FriendFeed or anything....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I guess for me it is just his actions as they appear through the tubes.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
...haha! no, silly, he didn't invent Friendfeed, but as with many things, some people have a great talent for popularizing stuff and launching trends. In the Silicon Valley tech world, Scoble has a huge audience and some level of influence, and he certainly brought a lot more attention to Friendfeed than it was generating on its own. I guess the question is: can he take away just as much attention by pronouncing its last rites? Rahsheen doesn't seem to think so.
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Not wanting to be a Scoble lover but I have come to realise that Robert isn't a normal user. His job and personality drive him to be where the biggest audience is. He promotes his sponsors and discovers small things and tries to promote them. He has to be cut throat because he is pitching to a cut throat audience of early adopters and techies. The key is not to take it personally, because it's not about users, it's about new, popular and promotions.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
With Scoble gone, I think FF is back where it was before he came. For many users who have stuck around, nothing has changed. For some, they're feed is less cluttered from Scoble's huge following. No, he can't kill FF by pronouncing it dead. Let's say I frequent a bar and some celeb brings his entourage. The bar will probably make a lot of money that night, possibly get some publicity or something, but when he leaves...it's business as usual. Doesn't really matter if he liked the drinks or not.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Johnny W... well-said. For me, it just makes me realize how strange the world of "technology media" really is. On the one hand, Scoble is a sort of journalist, and if that's true then it would be reasonable to expect complete objectivity on his part: when he says something perhaps it should be fact-based and not an opinion. But on the other hand he, and the Techcrunches, ad infinitums...
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I agree. I like Robert Scoble, and I actually find his comments here and on other sites to be far less self-absorbed than some others I could name (but won't.) I didn't come here because of Robert Scoble or any other individual, so I won't be leaving on that basis either.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Rahsheen... I like the bar/celebrity analogy. Also, similar to Mark DBJ, I actually enjoy Scoble's contributions to the techmediascape, and I have no problem with him speaking his mind, but his participation (or not) never affected what I'm doing here, what I will do here, or even how I found FF in the first place.
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To be fair, Robert was following people away from FriendFeed, not leading them.
- Bruce Lewis
Exactly, .LAG! I like to see him around and usually read/listen to what he says, but I'm not one of his sheep. He has quite a few of those and I wonder how he feels about that :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Robert's ego often gets in the way of any value he provides. I know he's usually creating controversy to link bait, but his vanity tries my patience more often than not.
- Mark Davidson
:-)
- Robert Scoble
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LOL, Using vitriol for a good cause ==> http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Eric Logan
<- Not a 'Scobleite', unless it's an AlexScobleite, he's an ok guy.
- Will Higgins™
Robert is so "mignon" ;-))))
- Desirade
Bruce is the most right on this thread. Since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've gotten 14,000 new followers on Twitter. That alone would put me at #6 on FriendFeed's user list, which is a great demonstration of why I'm investing a lot more of my time on Twitter now. FriendFeed is fun for a small group of people and that's OK. But I am spending my time where the geeks are and that's mostly on Twitter or Facebook (which I'm ramping up time on too).
- Robert Scoble
Many of those who have been paying attention do share one observation about why people have migrated to Twitter: it's so we can post links to drive traffic back to our own sites or employer's sites. This, I continue to advance, is because neither FF or FB or anyone else has yet got it through their thick skulls that WE ARE THE CONTENT ... or, if they do understand that basic fact,...
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- michael silverton
michael: good point! The real problem here is that conversations that are interesting to each of us are buried amongst conversations that really aren't.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly, your usage of social media is going to vary significantly if you're not actually trying to sell anything.
- Victor Ganata
Good point, Victor. Many people just want to chat, have fun, maybe meet someone or learn something new. Yet, even in those cases, I'm of the mind that we're all selling something: our thoughts, our perspectives, our ideas, our sincerity. However, one need not share this perspective to see that you and I and Rah and everyone here create the value of sites like FB and FF. It's the...
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- michael silverton
Robert: as so often, you nail it. Mozilla Raindrop? :-)
- michael silverton
*shrug* I also don't expect to make money off of everything I do. (If I did, I certainly wouldn't be in the field I'm in.)
- Victor Ganata
Google Chrome OS Use Cases - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
this inventing of needs for a solution that nobody wants, rarely works out for the tech world.
- felix
nobody? then count me as one nobody that has wanted this for over 20 years. and 20 years from now, i'll be the nobody that told you so. again ;-) for there will be no such thing as an "OS" or a "Desktop" in the sense that we refer to them today. it will simply be the Global Cognition Grid. we won't even think of it as "computing" in the hobbled sense that we engage with our machines...
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- michael silverton
Google Chrome OS Use Cases - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
this inventing of needs for a solution that nobody wants, rarely works out for the tech world.
nobody? then count me as one nobody that has wanted this for over 20 years. and 20 years from now, i'll be the nobody that told you so. again ;-) for there will be no such thing as an "OS" or a "Desktop" in the sense that we refer to them today. it will simply be the Global Cognition Grid. we won't even think of it as "computing" in the hobbled sense that we engage with our machines...
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- michael silverton
Anne P. Mitchell Young, Esq:"How do you feel about Facebook pimping YOU out to turn a buck? Summary: It's one of Facebook's dirty little secrets, even though it's been publicly available information for more than a year. Facebook takes information that you post, and sells it to advertisers ..."
"... who can use it in ads that are displayed to your friends. For example, if I posted "Eating Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia ice cream", Ben & Jerry's could then show an ad to all of my Facebook friends saying "Anne is eating Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia ice cream - shouldn't you too?" The service is part of Facebook's "Facebook beacons" service for advertisers, and the ads in which your Facebook info is displayed are called "Facebook Social Ads". And if you don't explicitly opt out of them, then you are fair game." http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/example...
- michael silverton
#credo 20 formerly pro-choice Democrat men need 2 hear its NOT OK to throw women under the bus 2 pass health care! http://act.credoaction.com/campaig...
John Robert Thompson said, "Just hearing the Senate bill will merge two of it's committees with the house bill. The Catholic Bishops House version is likely to be stripped. No guarantees though. Abortion would be out of pocket best case scenario? Poison pill amenndment. Very cruel." ... But Facebook stripped the reply from my Friendfeed context into the blah-blah context. Yay.
- michael silverton
Couldn't agree more, John. Wonder if these two replies over in the Friendfeed section also get siphoned off over to the FBlahBlah land. ;-)
- michael silverton
Re: The intent/purpose problem (& an appeal to @scobleizer) - http://macrolinz.com/macroli...
"Awesome, Macro. My thoughts at http://bit.ly/NextBigThingitis"
- michael silverton
Think big. Code small.
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How small?
- τorƍue
10 CLS
- Mattb4rd
Excellent advise K.I.S.S. :)
- Susan Beebe
How Big?
- John D Reasor
+ John
- τorƍue
Big enough to change the world, and small enough to get done right now.
- Paul Buchheit
Amen - release early, release often, especially as an entrepreneur
- Jesse Stay
Please provide a list of projects that we can get done right now that'll change the world. kthxbye
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I think the saying is, "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah, I figured you'd say something like that ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul, when you said "code small", was that just the first step? :)
- τorƍue
It's also the second step.
- Paul Buchheit
The next trick is taking all those steps in one direction, otherwise you can end up dancing around in one place like a madman, not actually getting anywhere. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
20 ? "Shall we play a game?"
- Mattb4rd
Yes, good point Ken, though sometimes we must navigate around obstacles such as mountains and oceans.
- Paul Buchheit
And sometimes you have to head downhill to get to the top of that peak off in the distance.
- Ken Sheppardson
Don't forget time itself
- Jesse Stay
booo yaaa!
- Bill Heslin
On average, how much of a code project's big success could be significantly attributed to luck? Luck alone never gets it there, but still. I code because of the small rewards, so whatever the answer is, I'm fine with it. :)
- Micah Wittman
This is a more likely result, but keep swinging: http://friendfeed.com/funny-p...
- Mattb4rd
Think BIG. Code SMALL. Maintain ZERO! (Ideal conditions!)
- Nishant
Think small. Code big. http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc...
- Kelly Norton
lol @Kelly
- Nick Lothian
I'm currently coding for a machine that has 12 bytes of variable memory and 256 bytes of program memory. In a language with 32 commands. Am I coding small enough?
- Kevin Fox
Now wonders what Kevin is working on for Facebook ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like a remote control.
- Cristo
I've been coding a few of these for Halloween: http://efx-tek.com/topics...
- Kevin Fox
Cool. What's the application?
- Cristo
Light and sound effects with a few triggers.
- Kevin Fox
I must admit to being baffled by systems shipping with many gigabytes of code now that have similar functionality to systems with a few megabytes of code 15 years ago.
- Cristo
Kevin, nice! Now I want one. I remember writing a BASIC program in High School that controlled some AND gates via parallel cable on a circuit board we created in my electronics class. The purpose was to control 4 step motors. Awesome that you can just pre-program a chip now on a device like this that will do similar things. Need to look into that.
- Jesse Stay
Check out Revision3's podcasts. There are some with Patrick Norton doing this on System (I think that's the right one)
- Mattb4rd
@Paul: Which font size do you recommend for the code editor? 14pt? or is 10pt even better? ;)
- Jemm
Like jquery
- ★ Soner Gönül
Soner - that's a great example, actually. jQuery has been transformative, IMO, even in the face of alternative JS frameworks which aren't bad, just not greatness in a small package.
- Micah Wittman
Paul isn't it time for another sip of the premature optimization is the root of all evil kool-aide? You just aren't getting it :-)
- Todd Hoff
Minds For Sale http://www.law.stanford.edu/calenda...
CodeX: Stanford Center for Computers and the Law presents Minds for Sale, a presentation by Jonathan Zittrain. A new range of projects is making the application of human brainpower as purchasable and fungible as additional server rackspace.
CodeX: "What are some of the issues arising as armies of thinkers are recruited by the thousands and millions? A fascinating (and non-scare-mongering) view is offered of a future in which nearly any mental act can be bought and sold."
- michael silverton
The Facebook robots know which friends you should be paying attention to better than you do? http://www.facebook.com/login...
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I'd guess some thoughtful folks built the algorithm, but it will obviously not be ideal, IMO. The other option is to personally build Lists of the folks you want to pay attention to.
- Kurt Starnes
You're spot on, Kurt. I'm not impugning the motives of the individual developers, just generally keeping a finger on the pulse of such developments. We have a way, as a species, of letting Default Decisions accrue over time until Unintended Consequences become the typical outcome. ;-)
- michael silverton
If it's going to be robotic, I at least want to know the algorithm, so I know what I may be missing and adjust accordingly. But FriendFeed's arsenal of controls are vastly superior.
- LogEx
Exactly. ;-)
- michael silverton
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I understand, Michael. :-> I view the default News Feed settings as the fast food option, for folks who don't know how to or even care to make Lists or block Pages and Apps. I would bet most FB folks keep it at default, so this algorithm is important. The problem w/ FB so far, as both you and LogEx would likely agree, is that there aren't a lot of options for folks who would like to...
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- Kurt Starnes
Walled gardens always wall in all they can, of course. Sadly, IMHO, Twitter and Facebook are doomed to be remembered as the AOL & Compuserve of Social Media unless they blow the doors wide open, immediately or sooner. I don't think FB would need to reveal anything proprietary; just letting users clearly know the very basics (we start at 250, but you get the final say) could go a very...
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- michael silverton
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HTM Research - http://scholar.google.com/scholar...
"via Ubiquity"
- michael silverton
BCI Research - http://scholar.google.com/scholar...
"via Ubiquity"
- michael silverton
Toward Adaptive Psychologies for Substrate Independence - http://scholar.google.com/scholar...
"via Ubiquity"
- michael silverton
On Substrate Independence - http://scholar.google.com/scholar...
"via Ubiquity"
- michael silverton
BBC: Have your Say, We'll Take Your Pay (CNN iReport, too!) - http://michael.silverton.palo-...
YOU provide the unique, attractive, engaging, sticky CONTENT ... we'll collect the CPM's, sans so much as courtesy reach around.
- michael silverton
Just discovered http://www.fluther.com/ ... "Tap the Collective" makes it sound rather Varkish http://vark.com perhaps?
From the site: "How does Fluther know what I know? One of the neat things about Fluther is we route questions to the people we think will answer them. Here’s how we decide what to send to you: we combine the topics in your profile with the way you’ve used the site in the past. The longer and harder you use Fluther, the better it works!"
- michael silverton
Hi Michael. Welcome to the collective! Hope you enjoy the site. Feel free to send me any comments.
- Ben
10/GUI on Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/6712657
This video examines the benefits and limitations inherent in current mouse-based and window-oriented interfaces, the problems facing other potential solutions, and visualizes R. Clayton Miller's proposal for a completely new way of interacting with desktop computers.
- michael silverton
10/GUI: One Very Slick Desktop Multi-Touch Concept (Video) - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Great! It is simple, powerful, and consistent. What do you think?
- Roman Zolotarev
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@romanzolotarev do you have any touch device, bigger than iphone?
- Vital
they say the best way is to try for longer time
- A.T.
@silpol try 360desktop, longer time more annoying. I believe in spherical concept http://research.microsoft.com/en-us... but for flat panels
- Vital
Yes, shouting and jumping are merited! I WANT IT ... NOW! =:-)
- michael silverton
@vital I don't.
- Roman Zolotarev
The next Hawking | Cosmic Variance | Discover Magazine - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicv...
Hawking and Newton not only shared the same job, they also played poker. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chris
Einstein said god doesn't play dice, but if Hawking and Newton say so, then he DOES play poker! ;-) Of course, all three use the variable 'god' with the same semantic significance to 'let x' ...
- michael silverton
My article is up on @themarknews Get Confident, Canada http://www.themarknews.com/article... (or 'Export More Awesome')
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Pallet of Awesome; Import #001; Received, California USA. ;-)
- michael silverton
NASA makes dreams come true...
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And our dreams make NASA come true ...
- michael silverton
Innovation: The psychology of Google Wave - tech - 09 October 2009 - New Scientist - http://www.newscientist.com/article...
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The creators of Wave pitch it as "what email would look like if it were invented today", not several decades ago. But what email "looks like" is as much down to social protocols as to anything else, says Watts. "It started out as very informal memos
- Howard Rheingold
"We need to ask what opportunity Wave allows people to express themselves and to understand what other people mean when they contribute a message to a conversation," explains psychologist Leon Watts." And perhaps more salient, "The cultural norms that will shape Wave's future are yet to be established." At least, that echoes what I've been suggesting, so I'm biased. ;-)
- michael silverton
RNC slams Obama award. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009...
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Listening to the Glenn Beck radio show right now, you can imagine, he is not thrilled with this prize
- Mark
Beck is satirising the noble peace prize by doing a skit where people give him awards for things he hasn't ever done, such as Best Actor Oscar and other crazy things.
- Mark
I don't think most Americans realize what the simple election alone meant to the rest of the world. Twenty years from now, few if any, would argue the significance of becoming the first American of African decent in the White House. Regardless of how the rest of his time in office goes, HE BROKE THAT BARRIER ONCE AND FOR ALL. Awarding the Peace Prize today, to acknowledge that...
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- michael silverton
But the fact he is the first black president doesn't mean he deserves a peace prize. If anything the American PEOPLE deserve it, they elected him.
- Mark
I don't disagree with that, Mark, and I think Obama feels the same way, given his words along the lines of, "I don't deserve this as an individual, but I accept on behalf of the PEOPLE's better aspirations." At least, that's how I understood it. I'm not implying that this is a neat and tidy selection. I too am annoyed that it distracts from HEALTHCARE, which to my mind could effectively...
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- michael silverton
IPhone Tethering Still Unavailable, AT&T Says. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits...
device based lock-in, sort of
- antonio pavolini
been using my Nokia E71 on AT&T for this for over a year now. feel free to look up my QIK videos from the Grapevine north of Los Angeles for reference ;-)
- michael silverton
Yesterday one of ATT's execs was hinting iPhone customers were using too much bandwidth and might throttle it back even more, http://bit.ly/TsdgO. 3% of their customers on iPhone, they use 40% of the bandwidth. Would imply they aren't going to let the ratio get worse with tethering.
- Ed Millard
Re: Middle-of-the-week check-in (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Way beyond the call of duty to "check in" this week. Then again, also typical of the enduring, faithful legacy of Leon Winer's family. Literally millions of the lives you've influenced, encouraged, shaped, and enabled; directly and indirectly, knowingly and unknowingly, might surely agree upon one modest sentiment. Words can never sufficiently express our cumulative debt of gratitude to the Winers."
- michael silverton
Re: My web site is my space (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
This seems like a reasonable bare minimum for all annotation layers on personal, individual web sites, Ravi. Our social identities have always been the result of complex and all too often irrational negotiations between social context, individual psychology, and human behavior. It's going to be a real challenge to maintain this awkward and all too imperfect balance -- if we can even call it balance -- moving forward. This become particularly interesting as growing numbers of researchers -- from physicists to ethicists, and every domain in between and beyond -- engage in research that differentiates and contemplates the roles of PAST evolutionary advantage of such human meaning and experience versus FUTURE implications for the identity of our very species; as we move forward into increasingly science-fiction-like terrain of augmented reality, extended cognition, brain computer interfaces, brain machine interfaces, and perhaps even communication features and functionality very much akin...
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- michael silverton
Hey @leolaporte Wave more like wikipedia/document collaboration tool than social media. (Leo Laporte Live live > http://www.ustream.tv/channel...)
Lots about Wave needs attention e.g., permissions.
- Kate Foy
Gina Trapani "excited" as a developer re Wave. Nice analogy Wave is 'like jazz for musos'
- Kate Foy
Conference calls via telephone also available in Wave. With addition of gadget called Ribbit. Whew!
- Kate Foy
And talk turns to how to make money from Wave ...
- Kate Foy
A great time to be a user (G Trapani). Seeing how Wave works - developers working stuff out/feedback to users etc. Interesting model for realtime learning online. 'Gutsy'
- Kate Foy
It's 'clay to be played with.'
- Kate Foy
@jeffjarvis talked about Wave's bringing up the idea of individuals as nodes for information, "We become one another's newspapers." Hyper-concentration of information, news etc. now requiring hyper-distribution so as to insinuate into other people's streams. Real-time excitement! Overwhelming perhaps and needing 'editing' though individuals can do this.
- Kate Foy
Some good observations. I've only been playing with wave for couple of months and "it's clay to be played with" is accurate. Wave is Humans & Bots playing in the same sand box; a closer and more intimate dance with "us and them." Embedded video chat, conferencing, voice, groups, etc.; keep in mind, nobody is describing it quite right, because they only focus on the first few features...
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- michael silverton
Re: Disqus | Michael Silverton | Palo Alto, California - http://michael.silverton.palo-...
"What a difference a year makes. Threaded video conversations seemed so novel, so awkward, so full of promise. Bloggingheads.TV and Big Think are two of very few sites to take this in the most productive direction for humanity."
- michael silverton
Re: Disqus | Michael Silverton | Palo Alto, California - http://michael.silverton.palo-...
"What a difference a year makes. Wow. It all seemed so awkward and new then."
- michael silverton
"What a difference a year makes. Wow. It all seemed so awkward and new then."
- michael silverton
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